I've been using Goosen line for 4years here in Australia. Absolutely brilliant. Casts so smooth and abrasion resistance is surprisingly good given its so fine. The most critical issue to be mindful of is your knots. Very important to make sure they are sinched well or they will.slip. I.use it in both fresh water on Cod and also salt water light game . Just very expensive
Never used any braid besides Sufix 131 on my St.Croix Legend Xtreme 7’1” MH VF rod spooled onto a Daiwa Zillion 2021 SV TW G fishing mainly 3/8oz swim jigs in upstate New York ponds, lakes, rivers. Your vid makes me wonder if I should try Gosen16 😂
Enjoyed the review, the smallmouth bass with the longest tail fin I have ever seen and your Wacky Rig Dropper Weight. You are always so knowledgeable, articulate and informative. Also, huge Thanks to all those who help and support you. Be Well.
Abrasion resistant on this is excellent. Been using this for bream across rocks and oysters. Never had an issue. Upside to the 16x is the diameter and waight for a 20# line. Thus inturn improves on casting distance.
Info from the EBay website: The GOSEN 16 ply braid is made from Toyobo fibres from the Izanas company in Japan. It is currently the only 16 ply on the market. This new Toyobo material is stronger than high grade Dyneema. The 16 strands make this line stronger than any 8 ply on the market, it is high in water resistance, has incredible knot strength, a high braiding density, it is extremely smooth, incredibly sensitive to bites and is a great balance between stiff and soft line making it perfect for casting. The 16 ply manufacturing process makes this line perfectly round so it is forgiving on your line guides. The line is made in the GOSEN line factory in Japan.
The YGK x8 Upgrade gave me a couple of those weird overhand knots as well! So far I'm really enjoying it...the little bit of twist that accumulates ahead of my alberto comes out just like you described with the Gosen.
I know it’s Gosen 8 braid line but what does the box looks like what it comes in Iam looking for that line I cannot find it it plus it not on the eBay any more
@tackle advisors....Try the Gosen Casting Hard - 8 carrier. It’s even better for baitcasters specifically, coz it sits so flat and wound so tight...it also doesn’t get wind knots....like, EVER!
How would you say it stacks up against Seaguar Smackdown? That's the best readily available braid I've found. Super thin and smooth, quite a bit of color fading and limpness on the green color after fishing it for a couple months, but zero issues with the grey color surprisingly. I'll have to try to find some of this Gosen.
I have three of those red cumaras. I love them, I wish Shimano made a rod with the same grip and reel seat style. Two of mine are the 7'2" mh extra fast and they are very stout. I use them in in the same situations I would use most other heavy actions.
I've been watching this video for years and although I have no problem pulling the trigger on 300/400/500$ rods and reels...love the 21 zillion sv tw BTW...I haven't had the fortitude to fork out 100 for this line yet but I think I'm gunna finally try it out.
Greetings from upsidedown land. I still use gliss 90 percent of the time when im using braid. I stocked up when the price was good. Yes it has durability issues but its the best i can find in terms of value and bfs friendly fishability. Might give this gosen stuff a go if I can find some on special.
Thanks for your channel, I have learned much. Was hoping you might be able to help me. I have started using braid for the first time: Sunline Small Game PE-HG 0.15 2.5lb, The line frequently is wrapping around the guides during casting, especially the first guide (closest to reel) but sometime higher up. Also I notice that my jig is often helicoptering. Your tutorial on tying the FG Knot made it possible for me to use this knot on this super fine and slick line, and has made all the difference with the micro guides on my rod.
My favorite slick feeling braid is the seaguar smackdown 8 strand in 40lb. With the 30lb I've had the overhand knots you referred to. I thought the seagaur was pricey that's just next level. I would have to be a winning tournament angler to even consider 100$ braid.
What’s the diameter of the 20lb seems kind of thin to put on a casting reel I would think it would dig into itself. Also are you tying a leader with this braid ?
Great fan of Gosen, but I've only ever used the 8 weave... Supa soft and supa slinky while still retaining excellent abrasion resistance... casts a mile.
The gosen 8 casting and 8 hard casting are some of the best on the market (hence the price) but this stuff is levels above again....you have to feel it to believe it... I laughed at the guy in the tackle store when he told me the price...then he told me to just run it through my fingers......It was then that I took out my wallet and bought it. Never regretted it either🤷♂️💯
Was able to get my hands on some Gosen 16 20lb and was stoked to get it out on the water for the day to experience the hype. Smoothest casting braid I've ever experienced... incredible distance..BUT.... I also snapped off on 4 different casts...FOUR. Didn't have anything crazy tied on (1/4oz t-rig senko) but as soon as you get the SLIGHTEST overrun, kiss you're lure goodbye. Was really disappointed this kept happening. The 4th failure was intentional as I was trying to test if it was my knot (Palomar) given the first 3 times the line snapped I was running straight braid to the hook. I decided to try and replicate the problem with a fluoro leader (used FG knot). Knocked the brakes down to 4 on the Steez sv tw to get some minor fluff ups on the spool and, once again, it snapped....but it didn't snap at the FG knot, it snapped somewhere else on the line. I dunno. So far it's a love- hate with the 20lb flavor of this stuff....but I've got 33lb on the way as well so maybe that will fair better.
Woah.. That's strange.... I have it on the same reel too... Bad guide maybe? Scratch on the twing? I'd send a message to gosen... I've yet to get an over run break off (I get em with j braid grand and fireline Ultra 8 as an example)
Smoothest compared to what? Have you tried diawa morethan 12 braid? I use gosen wx8 hard type, its very nice line but also a lot flatter braid with less body than daiwa tournament evo or the morethan braid. In my experience nothing beats diawa for roundest profile braid, which ultimately makes morethan the smoothest braid ive tried, great body too but not quite as stiff as tournament evo.
Well I just got my Gosen 16 in the mail today, I have to say it's absolute garbage !! When u first look at it, it looks amazing ( smooth and stiff ). The big problem is that it has NO strenght !!! I orderd the 20lbs ( max ) at 150 mm diameter. All my 4 lines tests broke at 6 lbs !!! I know that when it says on the package that it has a strenght of 20lbs (max ) it means that the maximum strenght is 20lbs. But I was still expecting a 10-12lbs average ! Sufix 832 and J-Braid Grand 10lbs all break at approx 16-18 lbs. The world's most expensive line is the weakest ?? Still love the reviews from Tackle Advisor, but I think a line test would be a thing to include in the videos !!
Have you ever tried Daiwa Morethan 12 braid? I just picked up some 22lb and it is by far the finest line I have ever tried. I found it for 50 bucks on eBay. I just ordered some Morethan 8 because its half the price. If I like the 8 I will probably make that my new go to braid.
Update on the Daiwa Morethan 12 braid. It is absolutely unreal. I love it on my certate sounning reel. It is ridiculously thin and perfectly smooth after several months of use. The morethan 8 is very nice as well.
I usually use 30lb braid for backing and main line if I was to buy goosen braid what size do you recommend ? Or do they have the same diameter as other 30lb braid ? Thank you
so bro-bro;1st of all,I wanna thank you for your in depth bench tear downs,cuz I used them for reference to tear down an old Pissy-Fun Phantom that has a cracked main cam.now that happened after some major big Largemouth,smallmouth and walleye landed fish,tons of spinnerbaits,etc..so for less than $50 ,I can't complain.2nd,the cutting off the boot tail and replacing with a colorado blade...wtf??seems awesome,but how did you attach it?Owner cps spring?Lastly,Ive been experimenting a lot lately with different braids and connection knots to leader for sensitivity and casting issues.Ive been using Diawa J-braid 4 carrier,which I like..kastking super 8 was recommended but I am not impressed..I fish both ends of the spectrum-wide open big river systems with sand and rip rap,& heavy matted veg you need to punch with big weight and X9 and an ounce of tungsten.sorry for the life story but your a treasure trove of knowledge and just wanted some feedback...squounkbox38@G-thanks man,Brian
Nice video. You hold your rod funny. EDIT: Never mind. Didnt realise you was just getting twist out. A river and an in line spinner do the trick for me.
Living in Japan ... I recognize Gosen as the name of a Japanese company, but can not find the 16 braid line in the JDM. It seems to be exclusively made for the Australian / New Zealand market ... and thanks to you, American. But just wondering why I can find their company web site and other lines here in Japan, but not the 16 braid?
Hi, I just bought a Aldebaran BFS XG 16 it was brand new but seems very wraspy and doesn't seem to free spool very well. You are obviously incredibly knowledgeable and I was wondering if you could help?
Check the magnets on the carrier... Make sure they're all seated... Especially if you added one (or the previous owner did... If all the mag spots are occupied then they added the extra mag. That one can pop up and rub... Additionally the spool bearings can get raspy.. Which other Shimano's don't do
@@TackleAdvisors I have an upgraded bearing for the spool shaft but don't have a specialized tool to put it on is it safe to do without a specialized tool?
What lbs braid do you use? Does it dig in the sv spool when u backlash? Does braided line destroy the t-wing guide? Some of the people on bass resource say the braid cuts into the t-wing and breaking it
Everything from 2lb to 50...never had an issue. Spool up super tight and dig ins only happen on snag pull outs. Dig ins when backlash ing means ya gotta work on casting :).. I've seen some grooves.. Some look like they're fake though... Like someone used a file... Either way.. I haven't experienced any t Wing negatives.
Its all I use if you're interested. Stiffer fused lines are well suited to spinning reels, just be aware fireline breaks much higher (almost twice) what it says on the pack. So be aware of that when you choose your breaking strain. And its got great knot strength too, contrary to whats been implied on this video.
I'm not a grand fan.. Used 6lb 8lb 15 and 30 and 40....failures on the light stuff and premature fuzzing on the heavy.... So I can't say much good about it other than it handles well, casts well on spinners and knots well... It's also fairly slick... The gosen in comparison is noticeably slicker and tougher at least in the 20lb line I've used... If it wasn't so damn expensive I'd put it on all my reels where I wanted a non coarse textured line
I feel if you going to test 16 strand Gosen or any premium line. It should be in landbased game situation. We're you having to try stop bigger kings or Gt over tricky terrain e.g. ledge or kelp were you need to stop big fish or turn big predators before being ledged. A 4 strand J braid will do in a pond were you hardly have to apply any pressure.
HUH? I don't wish to be rude...but 4 5 6 8 12 etc the amount of carriers woven into a braided fishing line. Don't impact it's strength at all whatsoever.....a 4 strand work on GT too....and has for for a long time. The crazy high pick count braids that are super smooth...exist only for enjoyment....(non hollow core ) And spooled tight...round vs ribbon...dig ins aren't a problem.
@@TackleAdvisors to me what you doing is not a field test of this line capabilities? Standing buy a stream and casting gosen and saying how smooth it is and how round it is does not tell much about the lines capabilities ? I use this Gosen 8 strand casting so I no what it's like in the harshest of condtions. Casting hundreds of times a day and fighting pelagics that are looking for structure. Is in my mind a good test for braided lines?. I no carrier strands don't account to strength.But I am yet to find Gt fisherman that are not using 8 strand lines. I fished many premium Japanese lines over the years.I would want to no as a consumer how it holds up in the harshest situations and video show casing this would be beneficial. But maybe I am wrong. Thank u..
Nick, were you using 20lb or 33lb Gosen in this vid? I picked up all the spools i could find of this stuff online and plan to do extensive testing as the 20lb I received left me supremely puzzled...love your vids man, thanks!
Hey man! I am using the 20 lb (still on the Steez) what's up with it... I think i saw you drop a comment a few weeks ago.. Shoot me an email @ tackleadvisorsinitiative@gmail.com
I love my Cumara rods! I have Gen 1 and 2 and I will get rid of them and every time I am on the water when someone see them they are trying to buy them
Hey Nick, why don’t you do a review of some light spinning rods, specifically some JDM models that I know you have in your stash 😁. I’m looking for a 7’ light for light presentation, weightless senkos and light drop shotting, thanks in advance.
I like pline halo but use it for a leader only or 4lb bfs... I always fish braid to a leader via pr knot or Alberto knot. Halo is like iron... Had a pike smash at the rod tip today .. Frayed a bit but got my jig back
I chunk using 50 to 65lb braid... (for Stripers and bluefish) capacity isn't essential but the fast retrieve I like usually means 300 plus yards capacity.
I just saw someone on Ebay from Australia selling Penn Battle 3s... seems like a legitimate seller but I can't find anything about them anywhere else. Something you might be interested in looking into? *After looking around some more they are listed on Penn's Australian website. Maybe this time they fixed the line lay
Ah, cool... always watch you taking apart spinning reels... Cool to see you using a bait caster. What the heck was that? Was that a small mouth or what.
Truthfully..... I hate fishing spinners lol... I even plug saltwater and surf with conventional.... (which is rare in 2020) Yup that was a smallmouth bass with a wacky long tail
I’m from Australia and never heard of this braid I’ve always used j braid and it’s been great probably stick to that because of the price of it is so cheap
Damn i got that Stim Stacks from Papi Trump and wanted to get this line. And its all gone. Well I guess ill get the Exist 4000 and sleep in the couch for a month. Fook it!!!
@@TackleAdvisors we fish barra, giant snakehead, Mangrove Jack, Travely and river carp with baitcast... their power probably equivalent to Salmon in U.S. if that fish pull 0.23mm x8 or in my experience X8 Jbraid 0.28mm digged into my baitcast spool.
too funny having that steez on a shimano rod. up to $100 for 150 yds, first thought was no bueno, but if it's going to last a yr and still appear brand new then it's something to consider. otherwise, maxcuatro it is. i like sufix832 as it's stronger than all the others, but it does go limp and opens the door for wind knots. and i agree, there's still not a better baitcaster on the market than the daiwa steez sv tw 2016.
I run the powerpro V2 15# and Its my favorite so far. I had 14# nanofil and it started fraying on me after fishing it hard for 3 weeks. To me that sucks. I put 10# 832 and instantly loved it. So smooth and quiet. I fish the great lakes so I'm targeting all trout, salmon and everything in-between and I like the 15# the most for open water. 10# may be the key tho. Especially with spinning reels on daiwa ballistic LT 3000D and 2500s. V2 is nice on the tatula sv-tw. I can't see myself spending 100$ for 150 yards especially when we get spooled here.
AndrewLetit FlowWolf. Well that doesn’t make any sense because maxcuatro is a 4x carrier braid and it’s like 30 dollars. The gosen 16 I believe has a higher strength to diameter with it having a breaking strength of 20lb with the same diameter as 10lb powerpro SSV2 and it’s a 16 carrier braid. Keep in mind I don’t think there is any braids in America that do 16 carriers braids. Gosen only have 150m and from 20 to 41lb becuase of how long it takes to fill one spool, probably weeks for just one spool of line. It’s sucks that it’s expensive, but if you know how it’s made and it’s features it makes more sense.
GrandFishing im a simple man. if i feel a bite, i set the hook. if i don’t , i reel back in and i make another cast. i’ll spend 400 on a rod , but 100 on a line, i mean if you can absolutely promise me my reel won’t ever blow up and i’ll have it for years. sign me up but 🤷🏼♂️
have a peek at the german lines. www.climax-fishingline.de/en/ Personally i use the Ul lines only as i troutfish only. For your bass fishing and strong try the 12 carat. For lighter use, try the mig8 or ibraids.
I gotta little lucky last week and I bought 2 Cabo spinners for $80 each (nice deal). But to get the price had to buy the pair. Am I allowed to put $200 of braid on a $80 reel ???
Well kids, I just received the 23# test and the 41# test Gosen 16. Stripped the 20# Power Pro off the Abu MGXtreme to spool the 23 but made the mistake of not testing the strength of this super duper golden spider silk first. I tied some 30# mono doubled to a 10# dumbell, then the 23# Gosen. Three times the Gosen snapped above the doubled knot. The 41# snapped on a 20# dumbbell and even snapped on the 10# dumbbell with just the slightest jerk. EPIC FAIL, save your money! Yeah, it may be super slick but what good is that if an in shape crappie can break off. Tried again on the digital scale with the Gosen wrapped ten times around the thick metal loop on a velcro workout strap to isolate the uni knot, 11 pounds was the highest breaking point after several tries for the 23# and a whopping 23-24 pounds for the 41#. Gosen 41# to Daiwa J Braid 20# with an alberto knot, J Braid held and the Gosen broke above the knot.
@@Huflung I have been using the 41 pound test as 20 pound line and it's everything this vid says it is. Effortless removal of any backlash, no fading or fuzzing, smooth and quiet. If you want a great 20 pound test line, in my personal experience the 41 works nicely. I still have the 23 which my testing showed to be around 10 pounds that I'll never spool unless going for small stuff, just tried it again with a double uni to 20 pound PowerPro using extra wraps as the Gosen is just so slick - the Gosen is noticeably thinner and broke first. Maybe I got a bad run (??) but IMO the Gosen break strength is just overstated for the diameter. For open water with no structure and a lighter drag setting it is hard to beat.
@@Huflung The 41 tested out for me at an average of 22 to 24 pounds break strength so I am using it where I would normally spool 20 pound PowerPro. I usually do a few Amazon trips a year and have lost twenty pound peacocks with that sudden violent jerk on 50 pound test braid with a four foot fluoro leader so I tend to spool heavier than most on everything, it sucks to work so hard for that big fish and then have it break off. Both the 41 and 23 Gosen that I got from an Aussie tackle shop in my tests broke at half the stated rating. I started to doubt manufacturer ratings a few years ago when "50 pound" split rings straightened out on fifteen pound peacocks in Brazil and Colombia. When I got home I tested those rings with a 30 pound dumbbell and they failed. Now I test everything and swap out factory hardware as needed. Again, the Gosen line is brilliant if you buy double the break strength for your needs. Hope that helps.
@@DanTheFireman It might be because the way they set the break strength on some japanese lines are different to what we're used to. On PE lines it's common to take the individual PE thread and multiplicate its strength with ten. The number you get from that multiplication is what they set as breaking strength. It's very seldom true to the line's actual breaking strength. PE lines often has a greater breaking strength than what they market the line having. Now, Gosen claims they use a material stronger than Dyneema. Dyneema, if I recall correctly, isn't stronger than polyethylene (PE). If I do remember correctly, that would mean the material Gosen uses might not have a stronger breaking strength than polyethylene either. If they still use the "multiplicate the single strand with 10 method," the breaking strength might be less than what Gosen writes on the packaging. Breaking strength per diameter will also be drastically different when using this method on any line material. There's a real possibility that this is what Gosen has done here and why your test shows the breaking strength as being off.
Nice video! But - 100$ per 300 yards? No, thanx :) For my purpose this is not necessary. There are good Chinese 9 braid lines that can cope with this task and cost near 10$ per 130 yards.
fished this line for a year. It is a good line but its breaking strain is rubbish. 12lb gosen breaks like a 6lb line in other brands. Wont be using it again.
@@tailwalkinwithfred4271 alot of bass anglers tournament fish. Time is money. Any slack and they can throw your hook. Bass love to headshake and throw hooks so speed gets them in the boat.
I use fireline in New Zealand for soft plastic fishing on spinning reels primarily because it's very thin and wont tip wrap, but it fades. After 40 trips in saltwater I reverse it and after doing that replace it. So this braid is worth checking out for me
way overpriced.. pitbull 12x is quite smooth ( izanas made ) and 1/3 for the price.well 16x braiding requires extensive technology so the money demand is understandable.Anyway , id'like to ask you whether you had "any braid digging into spool" issue with this 16x braid.in my experience the smoother the braid the more digging you encounter and thin dimensions always harder to solve when backlashed terribly..
Infinity Fishing Gosen also do a hard casting 8 carrier that is specifically designed for baitcasters. It’s tighter woven so maintains a small amount of rigidity but is still crazy smooth.....the result it picks out of your spool perfectly every time and almost zero windnots ever! No joke.....check it out as well.....still about $50ish usd though....
michaelgking87 you mean this mate ? www.tackleaustralia.com.au/gosen-8-ply-hard-casting-pe-braid-150m-fishing-lin I’ll grab 1.5 or 2pe for my exsence dc thanks
Infinity Fishing sorry mate for the VERY delayed response.....but YES! That’s the one! They do it in a 4 & 8 carrier. Both good but the 8 is an absolute pleasure! You’ll notice a huuuuge reduction in wind knots (which is my no.1 frustration a lot of the time!).... feel free to let us know how you find it! In terms cost-benefit I don’t think much comes close (probably not even the 16 carrier considering it’s almost 1.5-2x cost (although it’s smoothness for braid is still unrivalled). Just keep in mind the packaging looks like this though (not the one in your photo as it looks like the 4 carrier packet is being used as the advert template photo): images.app.goo.gl/FDVcTagM9V9vtr849
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150 yards for $100 or more is way above my limit. Hats off to you guys!
Enjoy. Sounds like awesome line.
I saw 52$ but thats still bonkers
I've been using Goosen line for 4years here in Australia. Absolutely brilliant. Casts so smooth and abrasion resistance is surprisingly good given its so fine. The most critical issue to be mindful of is your knots. Very important to make sure they are sinched well or they will.slip. I.use it in both fresh water on Cod and also salt water light game . Just very expensive
What do you think about the gosen x8 casting braid
Never used any braid besides Sufix 131 on my St.Croix Legend Xtreme 7’1” MH VF rod spooled onto a Daiwa Zillion 2021 SV TW G fishing mainly 3/8oz swim jigs in upstate New York ponds, lakes, rivers. Your vid makes me wonder if I should try Gosen16 😂
Enjoyed the review, the smallmouth bass with the longest tail fin I have ever seen and your Wacky Rig Dropper Weight.
You are always so knowledgeable, articulate and informative.
Also, huge Thanks to all those who help and support you.
Be Well.
Got it on my baitcaster as well! It’s off it’s head good! The smoothness and diameter for breaking strain is unrivalled!
Nice job on the freakishly long Bronze. Very Sweet! Now you have me looking at $90 braid😂
Whaaaaaat? $90 😱
Abrasion resistant on this is excellent. Been using this for bream across rocks and oysters. Never had an issue.
Upside to the 16x is the diameter and waight for a 20# line. Thus inturn improves on casting distance.
Info from the EBay website: The GOSEN 16 ply braid is made from Toyobo fibres from the Izanas company in Japan. It is currently the only 16 ply on the market. This new Toyobo material is stronger than high grade Dyneema. The 16 strands make this line stronger than any 8 ply on the market, it is high in water resistance, has incredible knot strength, a high braiding density, it is extremely smooth, incredibly sensitive to bites and is a great balance between stiff and soft line making it perfect for casting. The 16 ply manufacturing process makes this line perfectly round so it is forgiving on your line guides. The line is made in the GOSEN line factory in Japan.
Muskietime there is a couple of other 16 carriers now (hitena 16 for one)...not to this quality though....
The YGK x8 Upgrade gave me a couple of those weird overhand knots as well! So far I'm really enjoying it...the little bit of twist that accumulates ahead of my alberto comes out just like you described with the Gosen.
I know it’s Gosen 8 braid line but what does the box looks like what it comes in Iam looking for that line I cannot find it it plus it not on the eBay any more
Hey I use that same little tackle box for my ultralight light lures goes in my backpack.
@tackle advisors....Try the Gosen Casting Hard - 8 carrier. It’s even better for baitcasters specifically, coz it sits so flat and wound so tight...it also doesn’t get wind knots....like, EVER!
How would you say it stacks up against Seaguar Smackdown? That's the best readily available braid I've found. Super thin and smooth, quite a bit of color fading and limpness on the green color after fishing it for a couple months, but zero issues with the grey color surprisingly. I'll have to try to find some of this Gosen.
Agreed. Smackdown is the best braided line I've used.
I have three of those red cumaras. I love them, I wish Shimano made a rod with the same grip and reel seat style. Two of mine are the 7'2" mh extra fast and they are very stout. I use them in in the same situations I would use most other heavy actions.
How about YGK X8 ?
I've been watching this video for years and although I have no problem pulling the trigger on 300/400/500$ rods and reels...love the 21 zillion sv tw BTW...I haven't had the fortitude to fork out 100 for this line yet but I think I'm gunna finally try it out.
Greetings from upsidedown land. I still use gliss 90 percent of the time when im using braid. I stocked up when the price was good. Yes it has durability issues but its the best i can find in terms of value and bfs friendly fishability. Might give this gosen stuff a go if I can find some on special.
Yes Gliss is nice , i use it in freshwater 8 lb very thin and supple
Thanks for your channel, I have learned much. Was hoping you might be able to help me. I have started using braid for the first time: Sunline Small Game PE-HG 0.15 2.5lb, The line frequently is wrapping around the guides during casting, especially the first guide (closest to reel) but sometime higher up. Also I notice that my jig is often helicoptering. Your tutorial on tying the FG Knot made it possible for me to use this knot on this super fine and slick line, and has made all the difference with the micro guides on my rod.
I have fished samuraï Braid from Daiwa for the last 5-6 years... to me, nothing compares.. but would this be a step above?
Noticebly so. It's crazy nice line.. I and some others I know prefer j braid over samurai. (going by diameter not package break)
Lovely review thanks for your advice and guidance 👍
My favorite slick feeling braid is the seaguar smackdown 8 strand in 40lb. With the 30lb I've had the overhand knots you referred to. I thought the seagaur was pricey that's just next level. I would have to be a winning tournament angler to even consider 100$ braid.
Can you recommend a site to get it please!!!
What’s the diameter of the 20lb seems kind of thin to put on a casting reel I would think it would dig into itself. Also are you tying a leader with this braid ?
Great fan of Gosen, but I've only ever used the 8 weave... Supa soft and supa slinky while still retaining excellent abrasion resistance... casts a mile.
The gosen 8 casting and 8 hard casting are some of the best on the market (hence the price) but this stuff is levels above again....you have to feel it to believe it... I laughed at the guy in the tackle store when he told me the price...then he told me to just run it through my fingers......It was then that I took out my wallet and bought it. Never regretted it either🤷♂️💯
The smallie bite has been awesome here in milwaukee. Tight lines!
Over here the bigger fish just started waking up... Been biding my time striper fishing waiting :)
Did you already test the Daiwa Morethan 12 braid?
Phoenix hydra 8 has been pretty great to me last couple years. Doesn't fade like power pro or suffix either. I have been tempted to try v2 though.
Do a review on the siglon x8 braid
Was able to get my hands on some Gosen 16 20lb and was stoked to get it out on the water for the day to experience the hype. Smoothest casting braid I've ever experienced... incredible distance..BUT.... I also snapped off on 4 different casts...FOUR. Didn't have anything crazy tied on (1/4oz t-rig senko) but as soon as you get the SLIGHTEST overrun, kiss you're lure goodbye. Was really disappointed this kept happening. The 4th failure was intentional as I was trying to test if it was my knot (Palomar) given the first 3 times the line snapped I was running straight braid to the hook. I decided to try and replicate the problem with a fluoro leader (used FG knot).
Knocked the brakes down to 4 on the Steez sv tw to get some minor fluff ups on the spool and, once again, it snapped....but it didn't snap at the FG knot, it snapped somewhere else on the line. I dunno. So far it's a love- hate with the 20lb flavor of this stuff....but I've got 33lb on the way as well so maybe that will fair better.
Woah.. That's strange.... I have it on the same reel too... Bad guide maybe? Scratch on the twing? I'd send a message to gosen... I've yet to get an over run break off (I get em with j braid grand and fireline Ultra 8 as an example)
@@TackleAdvisors Good point man. I'll run some cotton through the guides to see if i've got any nicks. Thanks!
Is this line still have a round profile, or is it flat? May be worth the buy if it really holds up that well after being fishing.
Smoothest compared to what? Have you tried diawa morethan 12 braid? I use gosen wx8 hard type, its very nice line but also a lot flatter braid with less body than daiwa tournament evo or the morethan braid. In my experience nothing beats diawa for roundest profile braid, which ultimately makes morethan the smoothest braid ive tried, great body too but not quite as stiff as tournament evo.
Ok but where can we get some here in the US... cuz 16 is no where on eBay besides one spool of 43lb?
Well I just got my Gosen 16 in the mail today, I have to say it's absolute garbage !! When u first look at it, it looks amazing ( smooth and stiff ). The big problem is that it has NO strenght !!! I orderd the 20lbs ( max ) at 150 mm diameter. All my 4 lines tests broke at 6 lbs !!! I know that when it says on the package that it has a strenght of 20lbs (max ) it means that the maximum strenght is 20lbs. But I was still expecting a 10-12lbs average ! Sufix 832 and J-Braid Grand 10lbs all break at approx 16-18 lbs. The world's most expensive line is the weakest ?? Still love the reviews from Tackle Advisor, but I think a line test would be a thing to include in the videos !!
Diggin the old skool rod sweet😊thx👍
Have you ever tried Daiwa Morethan 12 braid? I just picked up some 22lb and it is by far the finest line I have ever tried. I found it for 50 bucks on eBay. I just ordered some Morethan 8 because its half the price. If I like the 8 I will probably make that my new go to braid.
Update on the Daiwa Morethan 12 braid. It is absolutely unreal. I love it on my certate sounning reel. It is ridiculously thin and perfectly smooth after several months of use. The morethan 8 is very nice as well.
I usually use 30lb braid for backing and main line if I was to buy goosen braid what size do you recommend ? Or do they have the same diameter as other 30lb braid ? Thank you
so bro-bro;1st of all,I wanna thank you for your in depth bench tear downs,cuz I used them for reference to tear down an old Pissy-Fun Phantom that has a cracked main cam.now that happened after some major big Largemouth,smallmouth and walleye landed fish,tons of spinnerbaits,etc..so for less than $50 ,I can't complain.2nd,the cutting off the boot tail and replacing with a colorado blade...wtf??seems awesome,but how did you attach it?Owner cps spring?Lastly,Ive been experimenting a lot lately with different braids and connection knots to leader for sensitivity and casting issues.Ive been using Diawa J-braid 4 carrier,which I like..kastking super 8 was recommended but I am not impressed..I fish both ends of the spectrum-wide open big river systems with sand and rip rap,& heavy matted veg you need to punch with big weight and X9 and an ounce of tungsten.sorry for the life story but your a treasure trove of knowledge and just wanted some feedback...squounkbox38@G-thanks man,Brian
Nice video. You hold your rod funny.
EDIT: Never mind. Didnt realise you was just getting twist out. A river and an in line spinner do the trick for me.
Living in Japan ... I recognize Gosen as the name of a Japanese company, but can not find the 16 braid line in the JDM. It seems to be exclusively made for the Australian / New Zealand market ... and thanks to you, American. But just wondering why I can find their company web site and other lines here in Japan, but not the 16 braid?
Interesting... They emailed me in response to the video... Let me reach out and see
Hi, I just bought a Aldebaran BFS XG 16 it was brand new but seems very wraspy and doesn't seem to free spool very well. You are obviously incredibly knowledgeable and I was wondering if you could help?
Check the magnets on the carrier... Make sure they're all seated... Especially if you added one (or the previous owner did... If all the mag spots are occupied then they added the extra mag. That one can pop up and rub... Additionally the spool bearings can get raspy.. Which other Shimano's don't do
@@TackleAdvisors I have an upgraded bearing for the spool shaft but don't have a specialized tool to put it on is it safe to do without a specialized tool?
I loved gliss when it was new but it deteriorated quickly. 1st cast on spinner was plus 20 yards. Less and less after ?????
What lbs braid do you use?
Does it dig in the sv spool when u backlash?
Does braided line destroy the t-wing guide?
Some of the people on bass resource say the braid cuts into the t-wing and breaking it
Everything from 2lb to 50...never had an issue. Spool up super tight and dig ins only happen on snag pull outs. Dig ins when backlash ing means ya gotta work on casting :).. I've seen some grooves.. Some look like they're fake though... Like someone used a file... Either way.. I haven't experienced any t Wing negatives.
What is that wacky rig in the beginning of the video
I call it the Scoobydoo rig
How’s the fraying and abrasion resistance?
Very good. As good to slightly better than most slick braids
What is your opinion on the berkley fireline ultra 8 on a spinning reel???????
Its all I use if you're interested. Stiffer fused lines are well suited to spinning reels, just be aware fireline breaks much higher (almost twice) what it says on the pack. So be aware of that when you choose your breaking strain. And its got great knot strength too, contrary to whats been implied on this video.
@@markrigg6623 thanks. Tight lines. Stay safe.
I tried them once and had total opposite experience, dont remember which it was though but gonna give it another go
How does it compare to diawa j braid grand ?
I'm not a grand fan.. Used 6lb 8lb 15 and 30 and 40....failures on the light stuff and premature fuzzing on the heavy.... So I can't say much good about it other than it handles well, casts well on spinners and knots well... It's also fairly slick... The gosen in comparison is noticeably slicker and tougher at least in the 20lb line I've used... If it wasn't so damn expensive I'd put it on all my reels where I wanted a non coarse textured line
Make a video fishing that river !! Looks awesome ,
6:05 for double the price it should hahahaha
How you seen or used of suffix 131 g core braid. I believe it’s only available in Europe.
Seen it online never in person... I'm curious about it...
I feel if you going to test 16 strand Gosen or any premium line. It should be in landbased game situation. We're you having to try stop bigger kings or Gt over tricky terrain e.g. ledge or kelp were you need to stop big fish or turn big predators before being ledged. A 4 strand J braid will do in a pond were you hardly have to apply any pressure.
HUH? I don't wish to be rude...but 4 5 6 8 12 etc the amount of carriers woven into a braided fishing line. Don't impact it's strength at all whatsoever.....a 4 strand work on GT too....and has for for a long time. The crazy high pick count braids that are super smooth...exist only for enjoyment....(non hollow core ) And spooled tight...round vs ribbon...dig ins aren't a problem.
@@TackleAdvisors to me what you doing is not a field test of this line capabilities? Standing buy a stream and casting gosen and saying how smooth it is and how round it is does not tell much about the lines capabilities ? I use this Gosen 8 strand casting so I no what it's like in the harshest of condtions. Casting hundreds of times a day and fighting pelagics that are looking for structure. Is in my mind a good test for braided lines?. I no carrier strands don't account to strength.But I am yet to find Gt fisherman that are not using 8 strand lines.
I fished many premium Japanese lines over the years.I would want to no as a consumer how it holds up in the harshest situations and video show casing this would be beneficial. But maybe I am wrong. Thank u..
GREAT STUFF, HA HA ' TIGHT LINES'
$100 BUCKS FOR 150YDS THAT'S THIGHT RIGHT THERE!
BUT SERIOUS, GREAT REVIEW AND GREAT FIHING SPOT
I also use Gosen on my sedona 3000 spooled with 25lbs and catch a huge king fish very dependable you can check out on my videos too..
Nick, were you using 20lb or 33lb Gosen in this vid? I picked up all the spools i could find of this stuff online and plan to do extensive testing as the 20lb I received left me supremely puzzled...love your vids man, thanks!
Hey man! I am using the 20 lb (still on the Steez) what's up with it... I think i saw you drop a comment a few weeks ago.. Shoot me an email @ tackleadvisorsinitiative@gmail.com
I love my Cumara rods! I have Gen 1 and 2 and I will get rid of them and every time I am on the water when someone see them they are trying to buy them
Hey Nick, why don’t you do a review of some light spinning rods, specifically some JDM models that I know you have in your stash 😁. I’m looking for a 7’ light for light presentation, weightless senkos and light drop shotting, thanks in advance.
Will it cure the noise from the Gloomis NRX noise from the recoil guides?
Best fluorocarbon fishing line ?
I like pline halo but use it for a leader only or 4lb bfs... I always fish braid to a leader via pr knot or Alberto knot. Halo is like iron... Had a pike smash at the rod tip today .. Frayed a bit but got my jig back
@@TackleAdvisors thanks I will give it a try, since I don't appreciate the pikes always stealing my lures
@Tackle Advisors what braid would you recommend for surf bait fishing (40-50Lb 500m 1600feet)? what do you run?
I chunk using 50 to 65lb braid... (for Stripers and bluefish) capacity isn't essential but the fast retrieve I like usually means 300 plus yards capacity.
what kind of rod is that?
What was eith the tail on that small jaw?
Like a paint brush with too long a brush.. Lol
Premium japanese braided lines are expensive, but you really get a fine product (sunline, varivas, gosen are the best imho)
8:22 i saw 52$ for 100 or 150 metersi forget wich
Is sufix832 good ?
How's it compared to Hitena 16 carrier?
Like power pro 4 strand vs 8...in favor of Gosen.... Although the water shedding additive of hitena is sweet
@@TackleAdvisors Thanks Nick.
You're welcome
Where can you buy it online?
I put a link in the description below the video
Tackle Advisors It’s not available in your link. :/
Been really happy with J Braid Grand. 8 and 20 lb in gray.
PJ3P J-braid grand is best bang for the buck mesathinks.
Fun fact...it also uses the new IZANAS - Toyobo fibre that is in this Gosen casting 16👍
I’ve used their tennis racket strings. Top of the line!
I just saw someone on Ebay from Australia selling Penn Battle 3s... seems like a legitimate seller but I can't find anything about them anywhere else. Something you might be interested in looking into?
*After looking around some more they are listed on Penn's Australian website. Maybe this time they fixed the line lay
Ah, cool... always watch you taking apart spinning reels... Cool to see you using a bait caster. What the heck was that? Was that a small mouth or what.
Truthfully..... I hate fishing spinners lol... I even plug saltwater and surf with conventional.... (which is rare in 2020)
Yup that was a smallmouth bass with a wacky long tail
I’m from Australia and never heard of this braid I’ve always used j braid and it’s been great probably stick to that because of the price of it is so cheap
Nothin wrong with standard j braid....the new grand is coming off my reels.....not a fan
@@TackleAdvisors why don't you like grand now? I thought you said it stacked up better than super slick v2
@@TackleAdvisors I would also like to know why you don't like the J-Braid Grand anymore ? Btw, I love your videos, thanks !!!!!!!!!!!!
Damn i got that Stim Stacks from Papi Trump and wanted to get this line. And its all gone. Well I guess ill get the Exist 4000 and sleep in the couch for a month. Fook it!!!
what reel
16 X worth on Spinning and jigging. Baitcast? i prefer 3X or 4X. i hardly have digging especially against Giant Cat fish
I never have or have had any dig in problems.... I don't get why so many people do.... Is this stuff worth the money.... To each their own I guess
@@TackleAdvisors
we fish barra, giant snakehead, Mangrove Jack, Travely and river carp with baitcast... their power probably equivalent to Salmon in U.S. if that fish pull 0.23mm x8 or in my experience X8 Jbraid 0.28mm digged into my baitcast spool.
too funny having that steez on a shimano rod. up to $100 for 150 yds, first thought was no bueno, but if it's going to last a yr and still appear brand new then it's something to consider. otherwise, maxcuatro it is. i like sufix832 as it's stronger than all the others, but it does go limp and opens the door for wind knots. and i agree, there's still not a better baitcaster on the market than the daiwa steez sv tw 2016.
Sufix 832 is fire. That's what we always run for availability and the price.
I run the powerpro V2 15# and Its my favorite so far. I had 14# nanofil and it started fraying on me after fishing it hard for 3 weeks. To me that sucks. I put 10# 832 and instantly loved it. So smooth and quiet. I fish the great lakes so I'm targeting all trout, salmon and everything in-between and I like the 15# the most for open water. 10# may be the key tho. Especially with spinning reels on daiwa ballistic LT 3000D and 2500s. V2 is nice on the tatula sv-tw. I can't see myself spending 100$ for 150 yards especially when we get spooled here.
8 weaves cost 20-30
16 should cost 40-60 not 100-200 nuts but i’d take some for free suffix 832 and alberto knot is all i need
AndrewLetit FlowWolf. Well that doesn’t make any sense because maxcuatro is a 4x carrier braid and it’s like 30 dollars. The gosen 16 I believe has a higher strength to diameter with it having a breaking strength of 20lb with the same diameter as 10lb powerpro SSV2 and it’s a 16 carrier braid. Keep in mind I don’t think there is any braids in America that do 16 carriers braids. Gosen only have 150m and from 20 to 41lb becuase of how long it takes to fill one spool, probably weeks for just one spool of line. It’s sucks that it’s expensive, but if you know how it’s made and it’s features it makes more sense.
GrandFishing im a simple man. if i feel a bite, i set the hook. if i don’t , i reel back in and i make another cast. i’ll spend 400 on a rod , but 100 on a line, i mean if you can absolutely promise me my reel won’t ever blow up and i’ll have it for years. sign me up but 🤷🏼♂️
@Tackle Advisors Gosen 16 carrier sold out of 20 and 23lb 😢😢😢😢😢😢😭😭😭
Do someone heard about the Stroft (it's a german Brand)? I bet the GTP S is smoother than this line.
That fish have a fake tail with legs underneath?!!
Lolol... Weird right
have a peek at the german lines. www.climax-fishingline.de/en/
Personally i use the Ul lines only as i troutfish only.
For your bass fishing and strong try the 12 carat.
For lighter use, try the mig8 or ibraids.
I've used climax for fly fishing. Good stuff.. Never knew they made braid.. Thanks for the heads up
Ya but how do you buy in the states ?
I gotta little lucky last week and I bought 2 Cabo spinners for $80 each (nice deal). But to get the price had to buy the pair. Am I allowed to put $200 of braid on a $80 reel ???
Lol... Yes you may.... But make sure you done need more than 150 yards because I believe that's the only spool size offered
Well kids, I just received the 23# test and the 41# test Gosen 16. Stripped the 20# Power Pro off the Abu MGXtreme to spool the 23 but made the mistake of not testing the strength of this super duper golden spider silk first. I tied some 30# mono doubled to a 10# dumbell, then the 23# Gosen. Three times the Gosen snapped above the doubled knot. The 41# snapped on a 20# dumbbell and even snapped on the 10# dumbbell with just the slightest jerk. EPIC FAIL, save your money! Yeah, it may be super slick but what good is that if an in shape crappie can break off.
Tried again on the digital scale with the Gosen wrapped ten times around the thick metal loop on a velcro workout strap to isolate the uni knot, 11 pounds was the highest breaking point after several tries for the 23# and a whopping 23-24 pounds for the 41#. Gosen 41# to Daiwa J Braid 20# with an alberto knot, J Braid held and the Gosen broke above the knot.
Did you ever test this again or find out more info by chance. Your comment is why I never bought. I appreciate it
@@Huflung I have been using the 41 pound test as 20 pound line and it's everything this vid says it is. Effortless removal of any backlash, no fading or fuzzing, smooth and quiet. If you want a great 20 pound test line, in my personal experience the 41 works nicely. I still have the 23 which my testing showed to be around 10 pounds that I'll never spool unless going for small stuff, just tried it again with a double uni to 20 pound PowerPro using extra wraps as the Gosen is just so slick - the Gosen is noticeably thinner and broke first. Maybe I got a bad run (??) but IMO the Gosen break strength is just overstated for the diameter. For open water with no structure and a lighter drag setting it is hard to beat.
@@DanTheFireman so the 41 has better break resistance and you haven’t had issues ? Just the 23? I appreciate it
@@Huflung The 41 tested out for me at an average of 22 to 24 pounds break strength so I am using it where I would normally spool 20 pound PowerPro. I usually do a few Amazon trips a year and have lost twenty pound peacocks with that sudden violent jerk on 50 pound test braid with a four foot fluoro leader so I tend to spool heavier than most on everything, it sucks to work so hard for that big fish and then have it break off. Both the 41 and 23 Gosen that I got from an Aussie tackle shop in my tests broke at half the stated rating. I started to doubt manufacturer ratings a few years ago when "50 pound" split rings straightened out on fifteen pound peacocks in Brazil and Colombia. When I got home I tested those rings with a 30 pound dumbbell and they failed. Now I test everything and swap out factory hardware as needed. Again, the Gosen line is brilliant if you buy double the break strength for your needs. Hope that helps.
@@DanTheFireman It might be because the way they set the break strength on some japanese lines are different to what we're used to. On PE lines it's common to take the individual PE thread and multiplicate its strength with ten. The number you get from that multiplication is what they set as breaking strength. It's very seldom true to the line's actual breaking strength. PE lines often has a greater breaking strength than what they market the line having. Now, Gosen claims they use a material stronger than Dyneema. Dyneema, if I recall correctly, isn't stronger than polyethylene (PE). If I do remember correctly, that would mean the material Gosen uses might not have a stronger breaking strength than polyethylene either. If they still use the "multiplicate the single strand with 10 method," the breaking strength might be less than what Gosen writes on the packaging. Breaking strength per diameter will also be drastically different when using this method on any line material. There's a real possibility that this is what Gosen has done here and why your test shows the breaking strength as being off.
Nice video!
But - 100$ per 300 yards? No, thanx :)
For my purpose this is not necessary. There are good Chinese 9 braid lines that can cope with this task and cost near 10$ per 130 yards.
fished this line for a year. It is a good line but its breaking strain is rubbish. 12lb gosen breaks like a 6lb line in other brands. Wont be using it again.
Too bad money can't even buy this, seems like no one will ship to USA. Can't even find it on eBay right now.
Would never pay 100 bucks for a spool of line
I can easily buy one in Russia for maximum 90 bucks
i rather stick with fireline ^^ bit to expensive for my taste . fyi first american fisherman i see that doesnt winch a fish in like a maniac
haha so true!
I never understood why bass guys rip them in. Lose so many, I don't even target them much and will fight them for a minute or 2. Its not a race! Lol
@@tailwalkinwithfred4271 alot of bass anglers tournament fish. Time is money. Any slack and they can throw your hook. Bass love to headshake and throw hooks so speed gets them in the boat.
I use fireline in New Zealand for soft plastic fishing on spinning reels primarily because it's very thin and wont tip wrap, but it fades. After 40 trips in saltwater I reverse it and after doing that replace it. So this braid is worth checking out for me
@@joedennehy386 hey man why not if you can stomach the cost ^^
way overpriced.. pitbull 12x is quite smooth ( izanas made ) and 1/3 for the price.well 16x braiding requires extensive technology so the money demand is understandable.Anyway , id'like to ask you whether you had "any braid digging into spool" issue with this 16x braid.in my experience the smoother the braid the more digging you encounter and thin dimensions always harder to solve when backlashed terribly..
Infinity Fishing Gosen also do a hard casting 8 carrier that is specifically designed for baitcasters. It’s tighter woven so maintains a small amount of rigidity but is still crazy smooth.....the result it picks out of your spool perfectly every time and almost zero windnots ever! No joke.....check it out as well.....still about $50ish usd though....
michaelgking87 you mean this mate ? www.tackleaustralia.com.au/gosen-8-ply-hard-casting-pe-braid-150m-fishing-lin
I’ll grab 1.5 or 2pe for my exsence dc thanks
Infinity Fishing sorry mate for the VERY delayed response.....but YES! That’s the one! They do it in a 4 & 8 carrier. Both good but the 8 is an absolute pleasure! You’ll notice a huuuuge reduction in wind knots (which is my no.1 frustration a lot of the time!).... feel free to let us know how you find it! In terms cost-benefit I don’t think much comes close (probably not even the 16 carrier considering it’s almost 1.5-2x cost (although it’s smoothness for braid is still unrivalled).
Just keep in mind the packaging looks like this though (not the one in your photo as it looks like the 4 carrier packet is being used as the advert template photo): images.app.goo.gl/FDVcTagM9V9vtr849
@@michaelgking87 thank you mate ill both try w4 and w8 carriers also test the power pro z and let you know the results.cheers
Shimano rep told me to use super slick! I don’t like super slick!