"The choice falls not to me, nor to the whims of fate... It is yours alone. Whate'er meaning life holds... ...it makes men deaf to all reason". ~ Grigori
19:38 Okay now that was a sick ass finisher shot. This game always gives opportunities for such epic moments! Grigori is hands down my favorite depiction of a dragon in gaming, his butter smooth monologues are just a cherry on top.
Grigori is simply the best dragon in all of gaming, perhaps all of fiction. Yeah, I said it. He challenges us physically, yes, but perhaps most interestingly he challenges us philosophically, as character and as player. He asks us what our purpose is, why are we doing what we are doing? If living is the goal, then running face first into a dragon is foolish, but there's more to living than mere survival... He contrasts us to the goblins, who are easy to fathom, simple survival for fear of death, which he immediately demonstrates by scaring them off, Grigori himself acting as the death the goblins seek to avoid. There we are, an adventurer, a hero, a player of a videogame, running head first into seemingly impossible odds. "Come to face death incarnate arms in hand". Yet the fight is only secondary to the true test: A test of willpower. Grigori foreshadows this when he comes to meet us at the greatwall: "The choice lies not with me, nor with the whims off fate, it is yours alone". If you wait a moment before making your choice after his monologue, Grigori will continue speaking, highlighting again that the true nature of your struggle is not physical but one of willpower: "Though I called you here to me, it was ever your own will, your own two feet that brought you here". To me, Grigori is a metaphor for struggle itself. Only in the fires of struggle are we forged to be better people, and only by being forged can we take control of our own destiny.
"Abandon all delusions of control." This line hit so hard especially when the game registers Fournival as the Arisen's beloved because he was the last npc I talked to and there's no way to make a separate save to reload (at least in the pc version).
@@mongooseunleashed Yup I did and gave it to Quina. She did get kidnapped by Grigori during this part. Then afterwards I bought a ton of stuff from Fournival to grind at Bitterblack Isle before I finish the epilogue and when I did, Fournival came instead of Quina because apparently buying stuff from him increases his affinity. That broke my immersion so hard I quit playing since then lmao.
@@Chalondetrois I got the princess on my first playthrough. Only, I didn't like her, in the slightest. I didn't come up to her room to seduce her. I thought she had a quest. And after I saved her ass, she rebuked me and had me whipped. Supposedly it was to protect me, but the end result is I had even less reason to want anything to do with her. I'd've killed her myself, if I could have still fought Grigori.
Every line written, every line delivered is PERFECT. He's not just one of the best depictions of a Dragon in video game history, but one of the best antagonists, hands down.
Grigori is my favorite dragon of all time and he doesn't even act as an evil dragon but his role is so inspiring...he does what he has to do. Also, I love that after he finishes his speech to the Arisen, the camera shows his actual size in contrast to the Arisen. It makes you wet yourself.
I mean, his role is far more akin to an angel testing humans worthy of ascending to godhood. Literally, that's what his role is in the games lore. The title of "Grigori" literally means a watcher angel.
Ragnorak TNT it was good, I mean, it could’ve been more cinematic like Dragon’s Dogma, and Grigori’s more what Alduin should’ve been... at the very least ... bigger lol
Can you imagine a custscene where Alduin says something like “Dovahkiin! You best me now, but more of my ilk shall take the mantle that I have held, and we will take back Skyrim-no, ALL OF TAMRIEL THROUGH THE FIRES OF DESTRUCTION, AND THE EXTINCTION OF ALL MORTALS...and you cannot stop it....mark my words....Dovahkiin....and mark them well”
@@consumerjtc5835 still more fun to fight. circlejerk about cinematics, narrative and character all u like, but that's not all there is to a boss fight; fatty's substantially more FUN to fight than grigori. and if we're talking world fatalis, that ain't exactly a high bar, lol.
This is probably one of the greatest boss fights in gaming history... The final boss is amazing, charismatic, extremely intelligent and very strong... Even the battle setting gives you chills the Orange sky the amazing structure that you fight on... Even the final stage which was just a large battlefield But there's one thing that makes this battle great is that it takes time and constant running and dodging and climbing this feels like a real battle... And that's why it's so great
@@foxbob22I think it's a different dragon with the same voice actor. Grigori was the name of the Arisen who became this dragon but it's probably a different arisen in the new game. Could also just be that Grigori was the name the cult of salvation called the dragons but Grigori is also used by the DG1 Dragon in wyrmspeech in DG1's prologue. The Ur-dragon's name could mean that it is one of the earliest or the original dragon or a proto dragon or just a dragon of the underworld.
@@carljohansson3512 Isnt there 2 endings? could the second game be the ending that the dragon didnt die? (I havnt done the sacrifice option so idk what that does.)
@@MTREDHEADS In one ending you accept the dragon's bargain and become duke/king of Gransys and take Edmund's place but you get as depressed and guilt driven as he was due to sacrificing your beloved to get power and wealth. The dragon continues to live until it eventually maybe meets it's defeat at the hands of someone else(not you) in the unknown future. In one ending you face the Seneschal but you choose to walk away instead of continuing the duel thus granting you a life of peace with your loved ones but also disappointing the Seneschal who wanted to be replaced. In one ending you get defeated by the Seneschal in combat and the Seneschal turns your body into the next dragon. (In Bitterblack island you also hear a story of another Arisen who defeated the dragon but failed to defeat the Seneschal and thus became the next dragon of her world) In one ending you defeat the Seneschal and replace them as the new Seneschal. If you decide to use to godsbane on yourself the rest of the ending plays out.
They fumbled hard. The Dragon scenes in DD2 are cool but lack the impact because the writing tries waaayyy too hard to be "epic" which results in incoherent ramblings. While in DD1, you can actually feel the unattainable wisdom that comes from age.
Because you drop straight into the fight, they should have had a build up, suspense and climax which the second game lacked. The bit when you are running away and then towards the tower with the ballista adds so much more to the fight than riding its back while listening to dialogue. Games have progressed so much cinematically that I thought we would get more of a spectacle. I think the fight itself is better if not easy, first game I did kinda one shot him and also spammed ballista on the other.
I believe Is a combination of not building the moment and lack of comparable music to the one we have here AND lack of dialogue, plus there Is nothing from the dragon throughout the game, just at the beggining and the end.
4:26 The sense I get from hearing this question.. is that Grigori has long since grown bored of his own life. His unparalleled strength makes him a mythical terror to humans, and removes the challenge of fighting any creature of natural strength. One could say he gave the Arisen such strength in hopes of feeling something again, be it thrill… or a mortal blow.
The dragon from second game just seems like he hates His Job, he takes you to a free ride convincing you to stop the cycle while taking the long route.
@@rolandosanchez2019 I think it's more of he thinks that we have the possibility of breaking the cycle, but the context behind his words is confusing. It's stated he's just created from the Greater Will (from "oblivion" and not a former Arisen) so why does he want us to break the cycle if he's what's keeping the world from dying? Why is he even mentioning a different possibility since a world free from the cycle is now susceptible to oblivion since there's no "story"/"purpose" to keep the world straight. Unlike in DD1 where his actions and words give the context that he WANTS you to kill him (which is shown because he's a former Arisen that wants to die and is being controlled by God) and is impressed with humanity in which they will ago against the natural instinct to survive.
I want to fight this guy in monster hunter, as a crossover fight. We have giant dragons already like fatalis, but this guy speaks! It would be fun seeing him just shittalk the hunters mid hunt XD.
Grigori... possibly one of my favorite red dragons in a dark fantasy game alongside another one, Angelus from Drag on Dragoon/Drakengard series. Both were fearsome and wise at the sametime very tragic characters as well
Yup. It was a bit of an irony really, because my second game I had "played ironically", so on the /third game/, which I didn't play until three years later, I got to remember all of a sudden when he appeared how much of a staggeringly ugly buttsack I had accomplished to make him, it was comical. I sure didn't feel very heartbroken, I'll tell you that. More of a mercy killing. "Good thing you've been wandering around Gran Soren *invisible*, I'm sure if anyone would have seen your face they'd have died faster than any fight against the dragon."
I fucked up. I made my first run with a cheat character with maxed stats, best armor and all spells because I wanted to see the story... ...Then I decided to complete New Game+ with an honest gameplay... Needless to say for those that completed the game a second time that I had a very... Nasty... Surprise... Waiting for me...
The Alduin you see in game is like not even accurate to begin with. Bethesda main story is worse than the mid part of the plot of DD that nothing happens, because it's heavily simplified. They used the excuse that the games are just representations of the events because they are too lazy to do an actual good bossfight. Alduin can grow in size, getting even bigger than Mundus (The Universe in tes) because he literally eats it. There's another books that he's seen in that depicts him being taller than mountains and he literally bit off a mountain and ate it casually while he was fighting Merhunes Dagon before he became a deadric prince and his defeat by Alduin is what turned him into Merhunes Dagon. So when you compare the lore feats you notice that bethesda really fucked up on Alduin's portrayal in game.
Riel I didn’t really read any of the books in game, and it’s crazy to believe that Alduin was suppose to be this great dragon. I mean he must possess a very very and I cannot stress it enough very minute fraction of his overall strength. But even then, he still should be much stronger than even the Dragonborn. If Alduin is written to be such a beast, I feel as if the battle between the Dragonborn and Alduin should be a battle of false hope, in which a lone hero is not enough despite how powerful he may be. It took three with the power of Dragonrend and an Elderscroll to cast Alduin into a time rift, yet one man/woman to kill him. Feel free to disagree, I’m just talking out my ass.
I love how they pretty much copy and pasted this in DD2 but completely removed all the build up to the dragon fight. It's just "ok hop on my back and lets go fight".
16:38 I love both gams, but the speech from Grigori is far superior, the starting speech for the battle and Clash of Fates playing is so much better but i love both games.
When I was a kid I played this game as myself, I played as a 3-4-5 foot tall little boy, this game was the only game in the world to capture that surreal feeling of putting yourself in the shoes of a hero. I play it now and I play as me, as a waifu lmaooooo
Interestingly if you fail to defeat the seneschal at the end of the game, or accept his deal, you fall from the sky and turn into a dragon just like Grigori. So Grigori was actually once an arisen like the player who defeated the dragon in his world, but then he failed to defeat the seneschal and was forced into servitude as a result.
@@yewtewbstew547 It actually fits quite well with what Grigori says to the player. He’s bored with his role, and gave the Arisen such strength in order to feel something again. Perhaps a mortal blow, but definitely the thrill of a challenging battle.
He really wasn't, he's just really doing his job finding a worthy arisen that could fight him to death and kill him. He's even encouraging you to fight him to death lol.
I get a little choked up thinking that in just 2 months we’ll be getting the sequel to this masterpiece. Most epic final battle ever, I shudder to think of what this fight will be like in the second installment! Get hyped, fellow Arisens!!
THE NEWMAKER took me a sec cause this is old. So I haven’t played ps4 version but initially it didn’t have some of the features at least from what I’m told by other people who played the version.
If this guy was in Monster Hunter World Iceborne as a title update than I bet he would be awesome, maybe he could become one of the new black dragons, despite being colored red.
Jesus christ this was fucking epic, I fought grigori as a magic archer and oh boi was it rough (skills weren't maxed, not even fully mastered vocation). The only thing doing barely any damage was sixfold arrow and grand scesion(?) and at hard mode I got one shot multiple fucking times, but it was so fucking satisfying when I did beat him.
I understand that DD1 Grigori is supposed to be a different character than DD2 Grigori. However, I feel like the devs went for something better in the first game. Pathfinder was also a weak character imo. We don’t get to know Savan for long, but the idea of a Seneschal is far more interesting than whatever Pathfinder is supposed to be (probably just God)
If you (the player, not your character) happen to dislike the person he kidnaps, can you actually agree to sacrifice them?? I forgot what actually happened
That's the Arisen's Bond, the ring you MIGHT give to your Beloved. It maxes out the affinity of anyone you give it to, but it doesn't mean that they'll be your Beloved. So this is suppose to symbolize that Grigori took your loved one, but if you're like me and gave it to Mercedes and then proceeded to accidentally romance the duchess, you will never see this cutscene LOL.
Perhaps I’m the only one thinking this but what is with that golden ring after Grigori flew away I’ve played this game 6 times and never saw that ring an explanation of its purpose would be great
It's the Arisen's Bond. Wiki description: The Arisen's Bond is a special ring received during the sidequest The Dragon's Tongue - it is magickally transformed from the Ancient Tablet in the presence of The Dragonforged. Gifting the bond to another indicates that they are the one the Arisen holds most dear. Gifting the ring instantly maximises the Affinity of any person to whom it is given. As an indication of love gifting it often results in the recipient responding in kind to their proposal.
AFAIR, you get the ring from another quest to marry some certain NPCs, in my case, I did offer the ring to Aelinore because her story seems more plot rich than offering the ring to Selene, Madeleine or Quina..
From what I can make out she’s wearing trophy bracers, ancient cape, dragonwing circlet, mummers garb and silver breastplate can’t make out the leg armour
I feel like Grigori would win since the only real to kill him is by the heart and alduin can die by other ways. Plus Grigori is at least 3x bigger. It would still be a badass battle either way
watching this again they did the dragon better in the first one than the second, in the second he is more or less just there but in one there is intrigue and philosophy and he is more part of the world. Its all still shallow but the first game did a better job with the dragon and lore. In the second one its like the first but more of an after thought
So this scene made me throw up a little. The character I had to save was Simone. That little spoiled brat kid. Than I threw up in the cut scene after defeating the dragon.
Actually watched the anime series a few days ago after finishing the game three times since launch. Interesting how the ending of it is baaaaaaasically one of the "bad" endings of the game. :D I was kind of hoping in the last few episodes that it was sort of a prequel and that Ethan was just a renamed Edmun, and that the anime could have served as an immediate backstory to the game. Like, "maybe Olivia was Lenore too?" ... but well, guess you can't expect *that* sort of relevancy from an anime. Would have been a huge reveal though if all this time we found out that Ethan becomes Duke in the game.
@@Psyralbakor they changed it a lot. Grigori’s death should mean the end of all things. Not Arisen becoming the dragon. total bs In the game, the arisen who doesn’t have the power or strength to sustain life to become the seneschal, fall and become a dragon.
DD2…….what a waste I expected so much more from those who wrote this masterpiece. New graphics and cinematic cannot make up for a truly compelling story. I expected so much more; I guess wealth and power are sweet anodyne to heart aches.
@@Mohgenstein ugh yeah that’s what we were talking about, Grigori has waaaay better dialogue and writing than the dragon in DD2. The whole thing felt forced.
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19:38 Okay now that was a sick ass finisher shot. This game always gives opportunities for such epic moments! Grigori is hands down my favorite depiction of a dragon in gaming, his butter smooth monologues are just a cherry on top.
Some hobbit shit
@@yamnbam4346 yeah fr lmao
Iceborne's Fatalis, for me
Honestly, I could listen to Grigori all day. His voice is charismatic.
his voice actor is David Lodge for anyone wondering, same guy who voices Jiraiya in Naruto, among many other great roles
@@Elunev 😎👌
Kenpachi from bleach
If you liked his voice, you'll absolutely love Aurelion Sol. He's like Grigori, but sassier, with a deeper, more glorious voice.
@@Elunev hmmmmm May need a signing on a copy.
Grigori is simply the best dragon in all of gaming, perhaps all of fiction. Yeah, I said it.
He challenges us physically, yes, but perhaps most interestingly he challenges us philosophically, as character and as player. He asks us what our purpose is, why are we doing what we are doing? If living is the goal, then running face first into a dragon is foolish, but there's more to living than mere survival... He contrasts us to the goblins, who are easy to fathom, simple survival for fear of death, which he immediately demonstrates by scaring them off, Grigori himself acting as the death the goblins seek to avoid.
There we are, an adventurer, a hero, a player of a videogame, running head first into seemingly impossible odds. "Come to face death incarnate arms in hand". Yet the fight is only secondary to the true test: A test of willpower. Grigori foreshadows this when he comes to meet us at the greatwall: "The choice lies not with me, nor with the whims off fate, it is yours alone". If you wait a moment before making your choice after his monologue, Grigori will continue speaking, highlighting again that the true nature of your struggle is not physical but one of willpower: "Though I called you here to me, it was ever your own will, your own two feet that brought you here".
To me, Grigori is a metaphor for struggle itself. Only in the fires of struggle are we forged to be better people, and only by being forged can we take control of our own destiny.
He’s not just a great Dragon, he’s an amazing character all to himself. Learning how he was created makes his backstory all that more tragic.
Holy cow, buddy. What a comment. He represents struggle itself. Awesome 👍
"Abandon all delusions of control."
This line hit so hard especially when the game registers Fournival as the Arisen's beloved because he was the last npc I talked to and there's no way to make a separate save to reload (at least in the pc version).
Did you find the ring?
@@mongooseunleashed Yup I did and gave it to Quina. She did get kidnapped by Grigori during this part. Then afterwards I bought a ton of stuff from Fournival to grind at Bitterblack Isle before I finish the epilogue and when I did, Fournival came instead of Quina because apparently buying stuff from him increases his affinity. That broke my immersion so hard I quit playing since then lmao.
@@Chalondetrois LMAO
@@Chalondetrois i had the bladesmith as romance once and almost died laughing when i saw him there
@@Chalondetrois
I got the princess on my first playthrough. Only, I didn't like her, in the slightest.
I didn't come up to her room to seduce her. I thought she had a quest.
And after I saved her ass, she rebuked me and had me whipped.
Supposedly it was to protect me, but the end result is I had even less reason to want anything to do with her.
I'd've killed her myself, if I could have still fought Grigori.
Every line written, every line delivered is PERFECT. He's not just one of the best depictions of a Dragon in video game history, but one of the best antagonists, hands down.
Grigori is my favorite dragon of all time and he doesn't even act as an evil dragon but his role is so inspiring...he does what he has to do. Also, I love that after he finishes his speech to the Arisen, the camera shows his actual size in contrast to the Arisen. It makes you wet yourself.
I mean, his role is far more akin to an angel testing humans worthy of ascending to godhood. Literally, that's what his role is in the games lore. The title of "Grigori" literally means a watcher angel.
This is what the ending of Skyrim should’ve been like
How?? The ending was fine to me
Ragnorak TNT it was good, I mean, it could’ve been more cinematic like Dragon’s Dogma, and Grigori’s more what Alduin should’ve been... at the very least ... bigger lol
Oh I get now that makes way more sense
Can you imagine a custscene where Alduin says something like “Dovahkiin! You best me now, but more of my ilk shall take the mantle that I have held, and we will take back Skyrim-no, ALL OF TAMRIEL THROUGH THE FIRES OF DESTRUCTION, AND THE EXTINCTION OF ALL MORTALS...and you cannot stop it....mark my words....Dovahkiin....and mark them well”
@@styanax141 the climax leading up to Alduin was pretty mediocre. it doesn't help that the gameplay of Skyrim also holds it back
Still holds up as one of the best dragon boss fights in gaming, if narratively speaking.
you should fight fatalis in monster hunter..
It’s easily one of the worst if you play as the sorcerer class
@@serenabooth7884 No? Malestorm and Gicel destroy him, and of course holy focused bolts
@@rinzlergaming701 Fatalis doesnt go philosophical on you and is not nearly as charismatic.
@@consumerjtc5835 still more fun to fight. circlejerk about cinematics, narrative and character all u like, but that's not all there is to a boss fight; fatty's substantially more FUN to fight than grigori.
and if we're talking world fatalis, that ain't exactly a high bar, lol.
pretty sure he's the only boss who strongly encourages me to a fight to the death lol
Imagine if the whole fight was just the part where he chases you and then gets stuck in that doorway and you just gotta attack his head 😂
dude had the rawest fucking dialog of any villain of any game
This is probably one of the greatest boss fights in gaming history...
The final boss is amazing, charismatic, extremely intelligent and very strong... Even the battle setting gives you chills the Orange sky the amazing structure that you fight on... Even the final stage which was just a large battlefield
But there's one thing that makes this battle great is that it takes time and constant running and dodging and climbing this feels like a real battle... And that's why it's so great
Yes
Its not the final boss tho
@@brachialtick6539 even if there are bosses after this, it's more an end boss than the ones after it (not counting BBI)
I view Grigori as a mentor figure. I legit was upset we had to kill him. I missed his voice and presence when he died.
He’s back… in DD2 😮
@@foxbob22I think it's a different dragon with the same voice actor. Grigori was the name of the Arisen who became this dragon but it's probably a different arisen in the new game. Could also just be that Grigori was the name the cult of salvation called the dragons but Grigori is also used by the DG1 Dragon in wyrmspeech in DG1's prologue. The Ur-dragon's name could mean that it is one of the earliest or the original dragon or a proto dragon or just a dragon of the underworld.
@@carljohansson3512 Isnt there 2 endings? could the second game be the ending that the dragon didnt die? (I havnt done the sacrifice option so idk what that does.)
@@MTREDHEADS In one ending you accept the dragon's bargain and become duke/king of Gransys and take Edmund's place but you get as depressed and guilt driven as he was due to sacrificing your beloved to get power and wealth. The dragon continues to live until it eventually maybe meets it's defeat at the hands of someone else(not you) in the unknown future.
In one ending you face the Seneschal but you choose to walk away instead of continuing the duel thus granting you a life of peace with your loved ones but also disappointing the Seneschal who wanted to be replaced.
In one ending you get defeated by the Seneschal in combat and the Seneschal turns your body into the next dragon. (In Bitterblack island you also hear a story of another Arisen who defeated the dragon but failed to defeat the Seneschal and thus became the next dragon of her world)
In one ending you defeat the Seneschal and replace them as the new Seneschal. If you decide to use to godsbane on yourself the rest of the ending plays out.
@@carljohansson3512 Sick. didnt know there was so many endings. so I guess it is a different dragon. or maybe a prequel. Damn gotta play more DD 1
Came here to mourn the death of Grigori, Dragons Dogma 2's Grigori is shamefully overshadowed by the original.
how they did him worse is actually insane.
They fumbled hard. The Dragon scenes in DD2 are cool but lack the impact because the writing tries waaayyy too hard to be "epic" which results in incoherent ramblings.
While in DD1, you can actually feel the unattainable wisdom that comes from age.
@@zarudosdragis8963 agreed, Grigori in DD1 felt like a sage trapped inside a beast.
Because you drop straight into the fight, they should have had a build up, suspense and climax which the second game lacked. The bit when you are running away and then towards the tower with the ballista adds so much more to the fight than riding its back while listening to dialogue.
Games have progressed so much cinematically that I thought we would get more of a spectacle.
I think the fight itself is better if not easy, first game I did kinda one shot him and also spammed ballista on the other.
I believe Is a combination of not building the moment and lack of comparable music to the one we have here AND lack of dialogue, plus there Is nothing from the dragon throughout the game, just at the beggining and the end.
I hope that the dragon in 2 is half as charming as grigori
4:26 The sense I get from hearing this question.. is that Grigori has long since grown bored of his own life. His unparalleled strength makes him a mythical terror to humans, and removes the challenge of fighting any creature of natural strength.
One could say he gave the Arisen such strength in hopes of feeling something again, be it thrill… or a mortal blow.
The dragon from second game just seems like he hates His Job, he takes you to a free ride convincing you to stop the cycle while taking the long route.
@@rolandosanchez2019 I think it's more of he thinks that we have the possibility of breaking the cycle, but the context behind his words is confusing. It's stated he's just created from the Greater Will (from "oblivion" and not a former Arisen) so why does he want us to break the cycle if he's what's keeping the world from dying? Why is he even mentioning a different possibility since a world free from the cycle is now susceptible to oblivion since there's no "story"/"purpose" to keep the world straight.
Unlike in DD1 where his actions and words give the context that he WANTS you to kill him (which is shown because he's a former Arisen that wants to die and is being controlled by God) and is impressed with humanity in which they will ago against the natural instinct to survive.
How they can make this sequence worse in dd2 is beyond me.
because it's not the true ending, very disappointing, but that's why.
@@AnMoronHe just hates his Job, if you fight him, he calls you a fool in the middle of the fight if you have not realized anything of the cycle.
I want to fight this guy in monster hunter, as a crossover fight. We have giant dragons already like fatalis, but this guy speaks! It would be fun seeing him just shittalk the hunters mid hunt XD.
Grigori... possibly one of my favorite red dragons in a dark fantasy game alongside another one, Angelus from Drag on Dragoon/Drakengard series. Both were fearsome and wise at the sametime very tragic characters as well
It’s simple really
You gotta dragon in your game
I guess I’m playing your game
ah man how dd2 mess up the dragon fight
This game is the most EPIC game in the world! 12/10, fucking materpiece!
All he fucking does is extend his wings and its super intimidating and badass
The dragon alone makes this game better then it should be
Well, that’s kind of a given. He made the player that strong to begin with.
Okay but has anyone beaten this game twice with a whole new character in New game plus? Tell me that ending isn't even more heartbreaking
It is pretty heartbreaking, I feel bad for my Arisen.😢
Yup. It was a bit of an irony really, because my second game I had "played ironically", so on the /third game/, which I didn't play until three years later, I got to remember all of a sudden when he appeared how much of a staggeringly ugly buttsack I had accomplished to make him, it was comical. I sure didn't feel very heartbroken, I'll tell you that. More of a mercy killing.
"Good thing you've been wandering around Gran Soren *invisible*, I'm sure if anyone would have seen your face they'd have died faster than any fight against the dragon."
Killing your creation 😭😭😭
I fucked up.
I made my first run with a cheat character with maxed stats, best armor and all spells because I wanted to see the story...
...Then I decided to complete New Game+ with an honest gameplay... Needless to say for those that completed the game a second time that I had a very... Nasty... Surprise... Waiting for me...
The cycle is never ending
I’m pretty sure Alduin would lose against Grigori
Grigori would utterly massacre alduin
Younes Haffadi Massacre is a bit extreme, it is a pretty even battle all things considered.
The Alduin you see in game is like not even accurate to begin with. Bethesda main story is worse than the mid part of the plot of DD that nothing happens, because it's heavily simplified.
They used the excuse that the games are just representations of the events because they are too lazy to do an actual good bossfight.
Alduin can grow in size, getting even bigger than Mundus (The Universe in tes) because he literally eats it. There's another books that he's seen in that depicts him being taller than mountains and he literally bit off a mountain and ate it casually while he was fighting Merhunes Dagon before he became a deadric prince and his defeat by Alduin is what turned him into Merhunes Dagon.
So when you compare the lore feats you notice that bethesda really fucked up on Alduin's portrayal in game.
Aldu-weiner would lose against a damp blanket.
Riel I didn’t really read any of the books in game, and it’s crazy to believe that Alduin was suppose to be this great dragon. I mean he must possess a very very and I cannot stress it enough very minute fraction of his overall strength. But even then, he still should be much stronger than even the Dragonborn. If Alduin is written to be such a beast, I feel as if the battle between the Dragonborn and Alduin should be a battle of false hope, in which a lone hero is not enough despite how powerful he may be. It took three with the power of Dragonrend and an Elderscroll to cast Alduin into a time rift, yet one man/woman to kill him. Feel free to disagree, I’m just talking out my ass.
I love how they pretty much copy and pasted this in DD2 but completely removed all the build up to the dragon fight. It's just "ok hop on my back and lets go fight".
One of the coolest villain speeches I think I've ever heard
the music... the voice... the gameplay... this game was amazing and I can't wait for the second one.
The decision is your choice,arisen!!
Lol imagine being male character and seeing Aldous in the cutscene. Tf is it, all I did was giving him a few books??
Lmao I been playing this game since like 2013 I got Aldous 1 time. Unskippable😔
16:38 I love both gams, but the speech from Grigori is far superior, the starting speech for the battle and Clash of Fates playing is so much better but i love both games.
When I was a kid I played this game as myself, I played as a 3-4-5 foot tall little boy, this game was the only game in the world to capture that surreal feeling of putting yourself in the shoes of a hero. I play it now and I play as me, as a waifu lmaooooo
Grigori wasn't a bad guy at all.
Interestingly if you fail to defeat the seneschal at the end of the game, or accept his deal, you fall from the sky and turn into a dragon just like Grigori. So Grigori was actually once an arisen like the player who defeated the dragon in his world, but then he failed to defeat the seneschal and was forced into servitude as a result.
Lol
@@yewtewbstew547 Oh wow that's neat.
@@yewtewbstew547 It actually fits quite well with what Grigori says to the player. He’s bored with his role, and gave the Arisen such strength in order to feel something again.
Perhaps a mortal blow, but definitely the thrill of a challenging battle.
He really wasn't, he's just really doing his job finding a worthy arisen that could fight him to death and kill him. He's even encouraging you to fight him to death lol.
Mr. Arisen… i don’t feel so good
The greatest dragon boss in gaming; no contest!
14:25, I want this segment to be in a Monster Hunter game so bad, hopefully it appears in the gen 6 games
Palpatine got crushed.
With all the AI voices people have done up, like Dagoth Ur and Joshua Graham, it's criminal no one's done up Grigori's yet.
I feel like I could learn sage mode just hearing his voice.
I get a little choked up thinking that in just 2 months we’ll be getting the sequel to this masterpiece. Most epic final battle ever, I shudder to think of what this fight will be like in the second installment! Get hyped, fellow Arisens!!
Somehow the whole cutscene after killing grigori didn't play for me. This adds a lot of context
Mike Jakob ps4 version has glitches in it. It also doesn’t have all the downloadable content that PS3 version had like the eternal ferrystone
THE NEWMAKER took me a sec cause this is old.
So I haven’t played ps4 version but initially it didn’t have some of the features at least from what I’m told by other people who played the version.
God I miss fighting a real dragon
If this guy was in Monster Hunter World Iceborne as a title update than I bet he would be awesome, maybe he could become one of the new black dragons, despite being colored red.
He is already in mhi, they just called him safijiva
I didn’t know safi’jiiva can talk
I didn't know Grigori could fire blue laser beams
you are both thinking of the same thing in different parallel universes
@@richardcollins5189 I love to imagine that the Safijiiva design was inspired by Grigori.
Sem dúvidas a voz desse dragão é a melhor de todas!! mesmo eu não entendendo nada
God I cant wait for the second game ❤
It's out thoughts?
@@samuelkibunda6960its good
Played over 100+ hours on it, some mixed feelings, but overall it was a fun experience.
Jesus christ this was fucking epic, I fought grigori as a magic archer and oh boi was it rough (skills weren't maxed, not even fully mastered vocation). The only thing doing barely any damage was sixfold arrow and grand scesion(?) and at hard mode I got one shot multiple fucking times, but it was so fucking satisfying when I did beat him.
I understand that DD1 Grigori is supposed to be a different character than DD2 Grigori. However, I feel like the devs went for something better in the first game. Pathfinder was also a weak character imo. We don’t get to know Savan for long, but the idea of a Seneschal is far more interesting than whatever Pathfinder is supposed to be (probably just God)
Elysion got roasted, metaphorically.
Show me a better dragon in fiction. I'll wait.
Le Grigori du 1er est meilleur que celui du 2, voilà, je le dis.
I will never forget that epic battle. Wayyy better than DD2.
If you (the player, not your character) happen to dislike the person he kidnaps, can you actually agree to sacrifice them?? I forgot what actually happened
Well, you can actually agree with Grigori's request per se which basically is the sacrifice and you'll get the "bad" ending.
@@DixMelkahia OMG really???? I'm ashamed of how much I regret not taking his offer considering who he kidnapped on my game. I like Grigori more 😒
@@DixMelkahia I take it you still don't get to be the the duke, though. What happens if you do it?
@@BlaecOleander Game over but you get an achievement. Of course, it takes you back to pre-Grigori's offer once you load your save again.
@@ordealis3187 woah! Thank you!
Ok he said "Merciful winged death" and in the very next line says "merciless Grigori". They're giving mixed signals.
Yes
It's unfortunate they did a Speedrun on the wall. A few scripted events skipped like when he lands on the wall in front of you
ok im just gonna ask what is with the ring ive played this that has never fallen from the sky
That's the Arisen's Bond, the ring you MIGHT give to your Beloved. It maxes out the affinity of anyone you give it to, but it doesn't mean that they'll be your Beloved. So this is suppose to symbolize that Grigori took your loved one, but if you're like me and gave it to Mercedes and then proceeded to accidentally romance the duchess, you will never see this cutscene LOL.
Would it be incorrect to refer to him as Greg?
"But not mankind..."
4:28 I see you were also a victim of DD's beloved system, lol.
3:31 “my precious”
Dude is seriously couldn’t get through the hallway does anyone know why I kept dying in the hallway run?
Perhaps I’m the only one thinking this but what is with that golden ring after Grigori flew away I’ve played this game 6 times and never saw that ring an explanation of its purpose would be great
It's the Arisen's Bond.
Wiki description:
The Arisen's Bond is a special ring received during the sidequest The Dragon's Tongue - it is magickally transformed from the Ancient Tablet in the presence of The Dragonforged.
Gifting the bond to another indicates that they are the one the Arisen holds most dear.
Gifting the ring instantly maximises the Affinity of any person to whom it is given. As an indication of love gifting it often results in the recipient responding in kind to their proposal.
AFAIR, you get the ring from another quest to marry some certain NPCs, in my case, I did offer the ring to Aelinore because her story seems more plot rich than offering the ring to Selene, Madeleine or Quina..
In any case, if you have already chosen your beloved, it will appear on that scene.
@@DixMelkahia Mercedes says some really important shit, i married her
@@franciscogarciadamiani979 I may need to play this gem once again, i've forgotten a lot of stuff.
Wanna impress me, get the lover's scene with a male arisen and the female-only bandit. :D it's not actually hard, but it's funny to see.
still a better intro to and a fight than DD2 for some reason
What armour set is that?
From what I can make out she’s wearing trophy bracers, ancient cape, dragonwing circlet, mummers garb and silver breastplate can’t make out the leg armour
How does one fight this with a sword?
DD1 still better than DD2
I remember killing my pawn to fight 1v1
No I would like to see a fight between Grigori here and Alduin from Skyrim
I feel like Grigori would win since the only real to kill him is by the heart and alduin can die by other ways. Plus Grigori is at least 3x bigger. It would still be a badass battle either way
so sad DD2's 'Grigori' fight cant hold a candle to DD:DA'S :(
Just personnaly no ring his fall for me at the end of the cutsene somone know How to get this ring ?
You need to give the "Arisen's Bond" to certain major NPCs (Beloved available)
@@DixMelkahia Wich Npc ?
Jes8 Ton père an NPC whose affection level you’ve raised to it’s maximum. It’s done usually by giving them gifts, or interacting with them.
@@didier6325 You can give it to anyone you want except The Duke and Dragongforged, you get the ring from the quest Dragons Tongue.
Idk if I should listen to this dragon…
I shouldn't have finished Bitterblack Isle first, I fought Grigori and killed him real quick before all these cinematics 🤦♂️
watching this again they did the dragon better in the first one than the second, in the second he is more or less just there but in one there is intrigue and philosophy and he is more part of the world. Its all still shallow but the first game did a better job with the dragon and lore. In the second one its like the first but more of an after thought
I’m mad this person doesn’t know how to use deathly arrow
19:38 Clearly not. TTFN 😘😘
Almost as epic as the Alduin fight lol
So this scene made me throw up a little.
The character I had to save was Simone. That little spoiled brat kid.
Than I threw up in the cut scene after defeating the dragon.
So who else is here after the netflix series
Just finished the anime sad ending
Actually watched the anime series a few days ago after finishing the game three times since launch. Interesting how the ending of it is baaaaaaasically one of the "bad" endings of the game. :D I was kind of hoping in the last few episodes that it was sort of a prequel and that Ethan was just a renamed Edmun, and that the anime could have served as an immediate backstory to the game. Like, "maybe Olivia was Lenore too?" ... but well, guess you can't expect *that* sort of relevancy from an anime. Would have been a huge reveal though if all this time we found out that Ethan becomes Duke in the game.
@@Psyralbakor they changed it a lot. Grigori’s death should mean the end of all things. Not Arisen becoming the dragon. total bs
In the game, the arisen who doesn’t have the power or strength to sustain life to become the seneschal, fall and become a dragon.
@@Psyralbakor So I guess the anime is actually is a content that isn’t really canon in the game’s aspect.
Me
i thought this was ethan from the anime or i like to imagine
Get out.
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DD2…….what a waste I expected so much more from those who wrote this masterpiece. New graphics and cinematic cannot make up for a truly compelling story. I expected so much more; I guess wealth and power are sweet anodyne to heart aches.
yeah a good game relative to other "AAA" games and the world is beautiful but they phoned a lot of stuff in.
You call this writing a masterpiece? The game where the only character with good writing is the dragon? Lmao
@@Mohgenstein ugh yeah that’s what we were talking about, Grigori has waaaay better dialogue and writing than the dragon in DD2. The whole thing felt forced.
@@MrZombertnahh Royce dragon was way cooler
this dragon does talks alot why dont he just shut up and fight