Jocko Podcast 434.5: FACTS AND CLARIFICATIONS. War Crimes, Murder, and Leadership.
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- Actions, operations, and conduct of SEAL Team Three, Task Unit Bruiser, in the Battle of Ramadi.
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Fun fact. It wasn’t just Task Force Bruiser. We had SOF guys in an out of my AO on deployments. The only ones that never told us they were kicking around in our backyard was SEAL teams. I can count on more than one occasion of near blue on blue incidents because of it. I don’t care how super elite operator you are, A Brad crew can see you in the dark.
This is a very good point. Ego has no place in a serious business like war.
@@snakeace0 Funny you say that because ego is what got us into that war to begin with. Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 and there were no WMDs, they were told that over and ver yet the ego on the leaders of our country and the followers who follow their orders couldn't look past their egos when all they wanted was revenge for 9-11 and any target was good.
@@dasse8717 You really think that's a valid argument? Ego CAUSES wars. The men that win those wars don't act out of ego. They act through training and courage.
@JBeamGT3 So the men who go to war for the other men's ego are not responsible?
😂that's actually pretty funny to picture. A group of guys thinking they're being slick, only to show up as humanoid glowsticks on the monitor of a ifv
Well, the Marine that wrote the letter has surfaced and is sticking to his story.
Now what?
can you link some proof?
Just watched it.. the only redemption Jocko has is to go on Green Beret Chronicles with the boy's and see how these stories differ!!
@@bradd8383 agreed. I believe 100% of the claims made against the SEAL community. I think they need to hash it out. The fact that something like this is even coming out just shows that SOMETHING occured. It's hard to believe all of the claims made against them are all lies. Something happened. There's what GBC said, what the SEAL community says, and the truth.
@@WestCoastIrk just search Green Beret Chronicles
@@WestCoastIrk th-cam.com/video/5A3fCoMTqmc/w-d-xo.html
When fact checking, should I ref the same sources used for Lone Survivor or American Sniper? Time to put the extreme in extreme ownership my friend
EXTREMELY EXTREME.....I got a lump in my throat and my heart skipped when Eric said Marcus ran and when picked up had almost all his Ammo...Predator feed and Green Beret testimony.....Damn
@@richardclary6267 exactly man. Someone reposted the interview Luttrell did with Anderson Cooper when he calls himself a coward bc he put his gun down and covered his ears when his friend was dying calling him for help. Disgusting.
There’s so many allegations against the seals. It’s hard to be supportive especially with all the internal drama that has gone on within the teams over the years.
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@@richardclary6267 ive heard this before too. Multiple people came out about Luttrell's ammo. Major failure Op Redwings was.
Both Eric Deming (SEAL) and Jay Dorleus (Green Beret Chronicles) have said….”Come over and speak to us face-to-face on camera and clear the air”
How about it?
And give those two drama queens views and attention? Where is their actual evidence? All I heard was gossip and hearsey. Calling someone with a large social media following a war criminal and a conman without solid evidence is a great way to get yourself sued for slander.
@@gavbrescu911bro they just had the Marine XO who wrote the letter - that jocko said wasn’t real - on to interview him
@@gavbrescu911 th-cam.com/video/5A3fCoMTqmc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=qz2_woh0O5L6RPrC
This is the marine xo who wrote the letter - who isn’t one of the two drama queens you’re referring to
And that marine XO is mentioned in another video and sounds like he had some issues himself @matthewpyke5602
Jocko is scared to face the truth.
The only thing i got out of all this is the value of the silent professional.
Exactly. These guys want to yell and boast and make money off their service. A quiet Proffesion does not. The type of personality that has a podcast like this, is the type that would lie, cheat steal and do anything to get ahead.
Silent professionals only benefit the military and thw crimes they are covering up
I think it's fair to talk about things that happened almost two decades ago, at that point it's history and we should be studying it and reflecting on it.
Well put. No names come to mind that were Delta, SF, Ranger, CCT, that have huge podcasts and are trying to clear their names of war crimes.
@@BUTTA170 And you don't see it with units of the militaries of some other nations, either. You almost never( or very rarely) see any Polish Grom and JTF2/ Joint Task Force 2 guys doing interviews, podcasts and writing books and trying to clear their names of accusations of corruption, reckless behavior and war crimes.
I still see the SEALs as top-tier but I've said before that the Polish Grom and JTF2 are more like what the SEALs USED to be, in the sense of when you didn't know very much about them( JTF2 is so secretive that there are JTF2 operators who have said that they didn't even know something like JTF2 existed until right up when they joined up) and when they weren't actively courting the spotlight, fame, media exposure and attention( I can't even really say that about the SAS and SBS because they still have some guys that have podcasts, write books and do a lot of interviews). I also think that social media and the internet have played a big part in it, too. I do think that if Jocko( who I still like and I enjoy watching his podcast and reading his books) and some of the other guys from Task Unit Bruiser and the SEAL Teams were the silent professional, he( and some other SEALs, too) wouldn't be having some of these kinds of problems.
The problem is there are rangers reporting the same thing. It’s multiple people speaking out. Why would they all falsely target jocko for? Doesn’t make sense to do.
I've seen Rangers, Green Berets, other big dog Seals, Marines etc. Green Beret Chronicles covers it several times and his newest episode has 4 guys from different branches speak on it.
Yup
@@Kharmatos13 I’m sure that perception plays a roll though. Jocko’s definitely differs from the current consensus.
As if its impossible for them to coordinate their stories beforehand. It does make it seem less likely, but in the world we live in, unfortunately wouldn't surprise me. Everyone wants clout
@@chickenfishhybrid44That makes absolutely no sense at all
Jocko, with all due respect when I served with the Marines in 06, the buzz around was that your unit was reckless. Everybody knew it. The higher ups knew it. So saying that you were in charge, and there was no criminal investigation doesn’t mean that your unit didn’t kill civilians it was an open secret within the unit.
Cowboy that made everyone less safe. Especially Marines.
That may have been the buzz, but how was that substantiated?
@@MyNameIsJ3ffrey Well, it looks like some folks have come out and put their own reputation on the line to substantiate it. Now that both sides are out, I'm sure others will chime in.
@@MyNameIsJ3ffreytalk like that doesn't just come from nowhere. There are things you can't just speak up about in the military.
Same
Clouding the issue in the second half of this video when talking about how all ops had to be approved. Having approval for an op doesn’t signify what actually takes place on the op. It doesn’t implicitly explain away who is left dead on the floor of a target site, or why, when everyone withdraws. As a Marine sniper I will testify that there are so, so many times when NO ONE can see what a sniper can see through his optic, meaning that the person in the window 600m away can’t be seen by anyone but me. So, if I were to pull the trigger and call a hit, no one knows the status of the endexed target but me. It’s very easy to do things no one will know about in so many situations, even when you have other troops supporting your mission.
He keeps talking about people “in the know”. Yes, Jocko. A lot of us are in “the know” and not in the way you describe. We actually do know and we know how easy it was to do things that simply stayed in-house. You know it and so do we. For everything that someone happened to see indicators of things you guys are accused of, there is the iceberg of what isn’t seen. Facts, and true for any unit.
The things you do for free for people? You do it for free for marketing your brand. Naval Special Bookfare.
says the expert.
@@GodanHatamoto hey smart ass. To your point. It doesn’t take an expert. All it takes is someone who has actually been in combat to know the truth of these things. Not like you who is probably just a civilian fanboy acolyte who follows blindly out of cool guy worship.
Thanks for your insight, and professional opinion. It's obvious to many of us, and you articulated it perfectly for the general public.
Dang..
You guys want all this evidence of him being innocent yet require no evidence of his guilt. I'm not even a Jocko fan, but he's innocent until proven guilty and has no responsibility to prove his innocence. If people want to accuse him of wrong doing, simply because it's a war zone and anyone could make those accusations, they need some evidence, not just gossip.
Brah, teams regularly failed to coordinate with battle space owners in Mosul 2007-2009, and it caused all kinds of shit for us as the battle space owners. This line that not coordinating with other units was death shit is disingenuous. Rangers, MIT, and PIT teams as well as yes SEALs were all guilty of it, as were conventional ground forces.
At least that’s the Iraq I remember.
The SEALS think Jocko is a toolbag for many more reasons than what you listed above. Lots of them coming out now. In Afghanistan 2010-2011 I didn't have any major issues with de-conflicting fires, coordinating with adjacent units, communicating with each other with up to battalion size attacks.
My buddy Johnny roberge was killed up there during that time.
It was the same for my unit in Ramadi in 07-08.
Baghdad 2007-2009 we had Brit SAS and Seals in our battle space multiple times wothout telling us, one time almost resulting in blue on blue. Any infantrymen who were in Iraq are now MORE suspicious of Jocko because we know that whole line of shit he’s talking with regards to battle space owners is absolutely untrue. They had a reputation for doing that shit.
@@operatorblack Yup.
The last 10 minutes sounds like the guy at the end of the movie trying to make an emotional appeal right before being found guilty and getting the electric chair.
Yeah it was hard to listen to because it’s so out of character for jocko. Where there’s smoke there’s fire
Good
Im not the only one who saw it👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Maybe work on yourself
@@tehfuqizg0inon588 it seems like people who have massive influence and accusations thrown at them always try to spin it to try to come out on top. Not sure what the truth is but it's interesting that Jocko ends it with his usual motivational mumbo jumbo.
The fact is a lot people are fucking pissed off about the truth coming out regarding Roberts Ridge, Operation Redwings and many other SEAL related cover ups. A small entity of SEAL leadership tried to completely distort and manipulate the truth on what happened in all these instances and it has deeply damaged the reputation of NSW. Now do I think Jocko is relevant to those events? No, and nor is he obligated to speak on them. Jocko can only speak to where he was in the specific time frame of the GWOT and the people he commanded in Iraq. A lot of people are trying to put all the NSW BS that has transpired over 20 years and putting it at the feet of Jocko because of his success as a public figure and his platform.
The only thing for me that I’m really not sure about is Chris Kyle. That dude flat out “bragged” about punching Jessie Ventura in the face and sniping looters from a sports stadium during the Katrina disaster. Among other things, that Antihero podcast and Green Beret Chronicles was not the 1st time Kyle has been accused of lying, exaggerating, beating his wife and killing unarmed civilians. IMO, Jocko absolutely is obligated to talk about him and the allegations. Jocko was not only in charge of Chris Kyle in TF Bruiser, but a lot of Jockos original fame came from that past relationship and the success of American Sniper. In that separate case, I would like to get some context from Jocko.
Chris Kyle's numbers are so outrageous (even compared to people doing the same job at the same time in the same place), mathematically he was either a liar everyone decided to profit from or his leaders decided to look the other way knowing fully he was a psycho willing to target anybody for any reason, including his own satisfaction.
If you have any question on Chris’s character then look at what he did after he got out. He helped physically and mentally wounded vets. Thats not the actions of someone who cared for nothing but his legacy and fortune. If any of this was true, Jocko and everyone else would still be in prison. Those on the different side of politics no way would not bite on that story for over 20 years because they goodness in their heart and didnt want to tarnish this country or its troops reputation? Yeah the truth is right there plain as day..
@@maverick744 .. And Chris was literally murdered by a “physically and mentally” wounded veteran. What’s your point? All disabled veterans are Saints and Chris is automatically exempt from any past wrong doing because he helped former vets?
I’m not saying Chris is guilty btw, just asking questions.
Chris Kyle is a certified liar!!
Well said in your original comment. I agree.
Why does nobody ask why he hasnt went through chris kyles book with all of his outrageous claims. Particularly in 2005 when hurricane Katrina happened, and kyle claims he smoked looters. When at that time, he should've been training up for this deployment?
As in he would have been in training at the time? The military sometimes allows active duty members to assist in disaster response, so it's not impossible he could have been there even though he didn't actually snipe people.
Alot of units went to help in 2005. My entire company went from Ft Hood. Its not weird that military members went to help.
Chris Kyle is a wanker.
I'm glad Jesse Ventura won his lawsuit.
@@buffhorses3632 7.62mm help? 🤣
Why isn't there any actual record of him being there?
Is any one really surprised that Punisher Cartman has some Skeletons in his closet? Like seriously if your best defence is "murder is a crime, criminals are in jail and i'm not in jail" you got some screw lose
Hes guilty
You clearly don’t know crap about crap.
@@sapper3504 I know enough about crap to know when its coming out of your mouth or puts on a uniform
@@sapper3504 so tell us about youself?
It's par for the course. Not very surprising and I can't say it's "wrong."
Jocko literally didn't answer anything here. He doesn't understand what "Extreme Ownership" means. I served alongside SEALs and others in various capacities and it was well-known back in the early 2000s that they were running and gunning and we had a hell of a time coordinating and debriefing with them on anything. This extends back to the incident with the Rangers and Pat Tillman.
Any Muppet in a closet can form strong opinions about the SEALs simply from reading about many of their more well-known and infamous operations.
What I don't like about his response here:
1. He is using the defense of "everything was documented"
2. The defense of "we had strict ROE"
3. The defense of "we communicated everything"
4. The defense of "it was chaos"
5. The defense of "we had to have x, y, z approvals"
6. The defense of "we had guys getting injured"
7. The defense of "my fallen brothers would not want me to squander this gift"
I try to play the fence on these things but he is not addressing the accusations head-on/directly. He is indirectly circling around the accusations gathering up what indirect and supportive evidence he can which is fine, but still doesn't provide direct evidence to null/void the accusations against him.
One of the glaring factors I see him avoiding discussing is Chris Kyle among others.
He absolutely did. He said they were disgusting falsehoods, pointed out verifiable facts that refutes many of the claims being made. Chris Kyle's character flaws, whatever they may have been, are not Jocko's to apologize for.
@@LionAndALamb not really, he pretty much just said "no, i did all the things they said I didnt." or "didnt do what they said I did" and provided equally unsearchable pieced of information to support his claims.
you really cant confirm either way. like how the hell would we know if they did or didnt fallow the proper positions.
he had a section where he was going about how everyone came to meet him and "with great details" we dont know what he told them... he could have said anything. then went on a sad story of how he was there when a seal died.. that doesnt actually refutes anything its just a distraction. and then went on a self promotion rant..
the longer I hear his defense the more guilty he sounds. but really impossible to know for us mere mortals. I stopped listening to him a few years back because i felt his content was going down and turned into a sales pitch.
@@Crazylalalalala No, he stated the documented facts about the number of KIA while he was operational (which was roughly half the number claimed), he aligned the dates of his deployment with the number of casualties prior to his deployment and during his deployment (which completely refuted the claims that it was "peaceful" before the SEALs arrival), and reviewed the rigorous reporting requirements for all of their actions, which means there is a paper trail within the military for his unit's actions, as well as for the alleged complaints that those making accusations claim that they made. The accusers say they reported them, so the onus is on them to produce the documentation of the reports they claim that they made.
@@LionAndALamb Jocko was his boss. So Chris acted unilaterally?
@@taharqa332 the majority of people who worked with him liked him and believed him to be a competent team member. The controversy around Kyle began after his deployment when he started spinning wild tales about himself and other people. Jocko is not even remotely responsible for Chris Kyle being a compulsive liar.
I was a Corpmsan with 2/4 during the surge in 2006-07 in Ramadi. Nobody wanted to work with the SEALs because they were cowboys. My CO used them when we were clearing the Katana district because he was prior Recon. My experience with the SEALs was they came into a house we were using, stood post, shot whoever and left. After that we got hit. Was it their fault? Maybe. They didnt have positive ID on the people they shot. Their ROE's were way different than ours. They did whatever they wanted. It wasn't a bad thing having them around, in my opinion. But they definitely were cowboys.
Any proof of these claims?
@@AnyProofOfTheseClaimsI can't speak to Iraq but I was in Afghanistan 2006 the SEALs had a lot of guys there in 2005 and their reputation was terrible. They desecrated bodies and as a result created more enemies for us.
Jocko allowed Chris Kyle to operate recklessly on the battlefield.
Joko is gonna delete your comment like he always does
Good
@@jayr3381 Yeah...the extreme ownership...of the comments section xD
Jocko is, at best, covering Kyle's crimes. At worst he's a serial war criminal.
Prove your claim don't just sling BS. Your comments are slander.
This is what happens when you put NAVY seals in a Marine and /or Army infantry battlespace. What in the world do seals know about taking and maintaining ground in a battlespace anyway? Everyone wants to dance but not everyone got on dancing shoes. Seals are like the Marine Infantry's little kid brother always wanting to get into the big fights. Let the Infantry guys do the dirty work and stick to the books and movies.
Well said. To add to your point, SEALS are deployed for recon and sabotage in most cases. Their focus is not on taking and holding ground, as you said. Ideally, their not even supposed to have contact with the enemy. Just get in and out without being detected by the enemy. That's what they're supposed to do.
Theres something to be said about building a foundation of basic infantry tactics and doing the work vs. polishing brass pipes one day, then going through a course that just kicks your ass and then being told you are elite just a few months later.
This new green beret chronicles video has two marines on it. They are saying they saw task force unit bruiser kill civilians. One of them was an officer.
Neither one of them said they saw it. They said they were told that’s what happened.
@@lasteem1well you are a confirmed liar as Graham one of the marines clearly said he saw people being shot that shouldn't from the gov center
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@@TheIvanMilky what time stamp in the video did he say this?
@@lasteem1 You obviously haven't watched all of it and I'm not here to fill your empty head in either
Whoever wrote the letter should be brought onto the podcast and given time to present their information and any evidence they have for whatever they are saying.
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He just did an interview
Lucky for you he recorded a podcast yesterday th-cam.com/video/5A3fCoMTqmc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=NZdOPcCt4mX7mQj6
He can’t because the SEALs “took care” of him
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@@ClaimClam The Marine India Company XO is now online 20 minutes, face to face with the camera, after this Jocko podcast with two other marines in leadership positions and they are all backing up his original letter with nothing to gain.
>killed a civilian
good
>the locals are killing marines in retaliation?
good
>everyone in the AO my team operated in called us reckless assholes
good
>chris kyle added his civilian casualties to his "confirmed kill" count
good
Dude, Jocko. How many people do you expect us to believe are lying about you?
How about you do your research. This Eric dude is lying, and so is the fake letter. We know this because the number of deaths is public information. The letter says 37 Marines died because of Jocko's team. Only 17 died, and all 17 have full investigations. Iraq war was the most scrutinized war in human history. Every death on either side is investigated.
Was there a hand receipt signed for those MP5s that you claimed to have "loaned" to that Marine in 3/8? Wouldn't serialized equipment loaned to another unit require a hand receipt?
Plus didn't 3/8 have their own supressors?
Who witnessed you loaning out those MP5s?
Finally why don't you, Jay and Eric sit down and discuss this face to face? Or the Marine who wrote that letter? He has come forward.....
This!
This dude is a coward
I'm not sure what was said about the MP5. I'm just learning about this controversy. I was a Corpsman with 2/4 and in Ramadi for the surge in 2006-2007. We worked with a SEAL unit while clearing the katana district. We borrowed an MP5 from the Marines we were working with to use on dogs because the insurgents would use them to locate our movement.
No ones gonna have an ECR card on hand from Ramadi in 2006
Yeah, even if the SEALs offered up some equipment to those Marines, I highly doubt ANYONE would have signed for it
"It couldn't happen", "it was not possible" -- isn't worth anything as defence. In fact, it is exactly what Ted Bundy said in his own defence. Just check it.
And no evidence has been brought against him at all. So it goes both ways
This is long, but I feel it needs to be said. I was actually in Iraq from April 06 to April 07 as a part of a USACAPOC unit responsible among other things, for COIN in Ramadi at the time. The task unit did have friction with 38 and with the CAT-A assigned to that AO. I have to admit that. The SEALs were looked at by some as a bit cavalier, not always team players, cowboyish. But war crimes? No. No way. Never heard a word uttered about that. And…I would have. I’m sure. There were definitely some skepticism on why they were running so many broad daylight missions. Particularly after Lee and Mansour were killed. Definitely some Monday morning QBing after those events. But war crimes? Hell no. And war crimes suspicions were always shared spontaneously through the ranks. So again, I would have heard about it. Particularly when again, I was reporting to a cell at MND-B who at the time was the division supporting civil military operations for that part of MNF-W. I regularly was in meetings with division general officers and often when topics like reported illegal action was brought up. Never heard a peep about this.
Now, was Kyle a liar about some of his exploits…unequivocally yes. And that went beyond Ramadi OIF 06-07. But I never once heard of war crimes in relation to him.
I agree this letter does not make sense as it is true investigations would have been oppressively present and the TU would have been stood down. That was not happening. I can tell you first hand.
Remember, TU Bruiser was a vanilla unit. They were operating with the full knowledge, and oversight of the battle space command. They aren’t a unit like CAG or The Command or even the Activity reporting to the executive branch directly. So to say they were somehow protected from above, just doesn’t make any sense. If anything, NCIS was on speed dial by 38s CO. Vanilla units are in the spotlight, not operating in obscurity.
Do I believe there is more to the story to how Kyle later died, absolutely. But I find it highly unlikely it was due to his previous knowledge and exploits in Ramadi half a decade previously.
I am not here to simp for anyone. I actually have some problems philosophically with the marketing of special operations and certain personalities that are without a doubt enriching themselves by embellishing their military prowess or worse, outright lying about where they were and what they did. I know for a fact these scumbags exist. I have no evidence or first or even second hand knowledge pointing to Jocko being of that ilk. And if you want me to name names of who I’m talking about, I am not afraid of doing so.
One final thought. Remember, certain things Jockos recent accusers are 💯 true in relation to several of those bad actors I’m describing. Red Wings and Luttrell’s true conduct vs the Lone Survivor account, Slab and Szymanski and Roberts Ridge screwing of Chapman detailed by people like Matt Cubbler do pass the smell test and more. Their comments in regards to TU Bruiser, do not. Just because Matt is likely right about some shit shows, does not mean he’s right about this.
Yeah okay, Rambo. You’ve never actually met a SEAL have you?
@@jordan7172 and you have?
So now you have a Navy Seal Chief, 2 Green Berets and a Marine XO coming out speaking against Jocko.
4 people. How crazy. 4 pieces of shit.
Yeah and none of them have book deals and energy drinks
@@JesusHealsAll-k9pso they aren't doing it for clout
because jocko and task unit bruiser are notorious for being a bunch of retarded war criminals. turns out, being able to run fast and dive underwater has almost nothing to do with counter insurgency, and their selection process has become completely unhinged. "special operations" as a whole are a complete joke, we haven't won a damn war since we codified them.
@tubeguy4066 Or they are doing to get clout.
You know its serious when Jocko starts quoting Shakespeare.
As Paul Harrell did, sometimes you need to speak up or some will think you give tacit approval to what was said.
Paul Fokken Harrell. 🤌
Please don't compare this tool to Paul Harrell!
What happened with Paul Harrell? Someone made claims against him? He's one of my favorite guntubers.
@@rhysmartin210 Other than the fact that he is dying of Cancer, nothing. I got mad because this dude compared Jocko to him. One is a hero, the other is a murderer.
What did Paul Harrell speak up against?
He never addresses the source for most of these recent accusations. They come from a fellow SEAL who WAS there, but he’s acting like they’re coming from the peanut gallery.
Yap and I can tell you as a service member and afgan veteran unless you were wanting to shit on any chance of you possibly ever being even seen out in public without being ridiculed and ashamed you would never ever ever make up those types of accusations. No way no how
He addressed one inaccurate detail and used that to try to discredit the entire argument.
Now also coming from a Marine Commanding officer who was there
Which SEAL was there? Deming?
@@NVVic97 Yep, according to him. By “there”, I mean in senior noncom leadership of the SEALs.
I wasn't there so not sure what to believe. The question that I have is "Why would this information be put out on the web if Task Unit Bruiser was all operating like hero's". If this is all about Player Hating someone is putting their nuts on the line. It is tough when you create a business and leadership company based upon a narrative that is in question. I hope that everything Jocko states is correct but damn it this leaves me with questions.
good for you, questioning is perfectly fine. We weren’t there, so its silly for anyone in these comments to fully take one side or the other.
@@josholdham1033many people were there though, and the actions of Kyle were pretty well documented
@@ashackatak normally I would agree, but SEALs and “well documented” is kind of a non sequitur these days. The command has swept a lot under the rug to protect the brand
If this leaves anyone with questions then try to remember that Jocko is very conservative.. if any of that BS had a smidge of truth it is not only safe to say he would have been sentenced to Life in prison.. the media would still be running those stories.. I don’t believe any of those lies that is clear to what the intent is..all these horrific accusations of war crimes and loose cannons were committed by highly decorated EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL Seals whose accolades are known all over the world.. must be a coincidence..I do find these accusations are laughable at best..
there is zero evidence even mentioned in the original accusations. it's just a guy's personal feelings and completely baseless accusations, a guy who has zero firsthand knowledge of any of the stuff he's speaking on. it's obvious nonsense
I have a brother that was on green team- has nothing but good to say about Jocko and the time they served together
They went in on Robert’s ridge, Marcus and Chris, and Rob O niel
Jocko, remember in Musashi when Sasaki Kojiro put up all of those disparaging posters calling Musashi a coward around the town: the same exact thing is happening to you now, only with modern technology. Don’t give in, and know that we stand by you no matter what lies are fabricated to attack your character.
One of the difference is Jacko has to speak for the fallen who cannot speak for themselves
They're not calling his a coward but a liar
@@elpanchosancho2A liar cowers from truth and reality, does he not?
@J-gr4zn it's an allusion to some of his earlier podcasts about Masashi lol
@J-gr4zn It references a book. Miyamoto Musashi wrote The Book of Five Rings. Read it.
Someone didn't like your RFK podcast...
Bet most of the slander makes it to big media, and none of the response does
BINGO!
@@t-spark nah, false allegations of this caliber are absolutely heinous and wouldn’t deserve the light of day with the media, they should know better at least than to try and blast something such as this knowing full well the repercussions they may face when they find out they were being mislead. At most, they’d be able to inform the public that allegations were made. Jocko is big enough and has earned enough respect with the public as a well known patriot for anyone to go along with this bs. And people in the comments who are trying to make him respond is so disgusting, it’s crazy to me. If something like this had the slightest possibility of being true, it’d be an absolute firestorm against him and more people saying the same thing, with actual hardcore evidence and investigations, but you heard Jocko. He takes extreme ownership, hence, there’s nothing for him to own up to. Personally, I think a defamation lawsuit against whoever is pushing this would be in order. No one should be able whimsically make claims such as these against a man of his stature.
I'm voting RFK Jr. I'm an Airborne infantryman with a CIB.
@@hounddog3476 congratulations on that honor, sir. Men like you are my heroes and I mean that. may God bless you and your family. Thank you for your service and sacrifice to our beautiful country. I know that term is thrown around quite a bit, but I truly mean that and will pray for you as well. May God bless the United States of America.
Zero mention of Chris Kyle is a red flag
Duty and Dishonor: The Marine's Revelation of Task Unit Bruiser (Green Beret Chronicles) ... just for context
At this point the whole damn thing is impossible to make what’s true and what isn’t. The only constant in all this is there is definitely a problem with seals staying quiet to any extent
Jocko is covered in innocent blood. His own mouth got him into this mess he’s in. 2024 year of the truth
Personally I have no problem with seals talking about things that happened almost two decades ago, at that point it's history and we should be studying it and reflecting on it.
It’s great that Jocko put this out. What an elegant and intelligent way to bust rumors.
Did you expect anything else? lol
As if he’d come out and admit it all on his own podcast. 😂
He talked shit for hours and didn't say a thing.
He literally didn't cover any of the specific allegations that have recently been presented. Just went into one of his gruff voice fallen hero talks. Basically said don't question anything that happened to the task unit because brave men were lost. It has been well covered in the last 5 years, through books, interviews, and legal cases, how dark the SEAL teams and SF became during the GWOT. Jocko saying it isn't even possible for special forces to go off the rails is pretty crazy considering the amount of allegations and public cases that have involved the SEAL community and special forces.
@@burnheretic3950he isnt saying those things can’t happen. If they did happen, we would have an Eddie Gallagher all over again.
@@emmanuelvalles9601 your living in a dream world but whatever bud. All the best
Why would the executive officer from India Company third Battalion eighth Marines be any less credible than Jocko? He’s not. I called BS. Stick to the facts, Jocko.
Oh man, the amount of spin Jocko puts into his defense is enough to make you dizzy.
"We gave the Marines weapons." Wtf?! That alone doesn't pass the smell test. As well intentioned the motive may be, you don't just open arms accept sensitive items from other units like snicker bars.
Another massive point of contention I have is all of the higher up visits. Obviously conventional forces WERE complaining or else you would not be getting such high profile visits from people up the chain. Especially during a single deployment. Your immediate boss, of course. But the CJTF & JSOC commander? Something was going on to draw that kind of attention to yourself. Maybe it was the blue-on-blue incident, who knows? But commanders like that don't just stop by when things are going well.
He bobin' and weavin'
The easiest way to clear this up is for NCIS or FBI to investigate the whole deployment and let the chips land where they land, I saw they guys interview, and he sounded very credible. As a former SNCO (E9), if what the E8 said is true, the entire SEAL command should be worried along with yourself and others on TF Bruiser.
I'm hoping it isn't true because I like what you're putting out.
I recall the FBI being in Iraq investigating Marines, due to accusations of alleged murder squads running around the city … after months of investigation the FBI found that people die in war, and that no one is able to just move around the battlefield as they wish … many of the accusations being made would have to have been investigated … NCIS would have gotten notice if formal complaints were made
"Easiest way," come on now NCO, you forget how the military bureaucracy works? They won't admit to anything that could make them look bad unless someone has the actual video and its gone viral. I remember I got tasked with a 15-6 investigation over our service members burning some Korans. Yep, they burned them, I even included burned pages in my report. At the weekly briefing I watched, in awe, as the Colonel flatly told the General that "after a through investigation, I can assure you that no Korans were burned." That was paper, war crimes? No way any brass would touch this with a 32' pole.
I don’t think I’d trust ncis or fbi after what I’ve seen/heard come from both over these past few years.
You should hope for the truth and nothing less. Leave the bias
I honestly don't trust either of those organizations to investigate a missing ham sandwich..
I really wonder if some of these allegations are starting because Jocko has started to get more vocal on political issues. As soon as good men get involved in politics you can be sure accusations and smears will come.
It would make sense.
Matthew Cole's book came out years ago. This isn't new. It's just people who don't read books are now seeing videos about it.
@@snowbear163I think you missed the point man, the videos weren’t out and just now happen to be surfacing. The book may have been written a while ago but the videos are new, they’re getting out because of a recent effort to stain Jockos good name. That’s the whole point of Jockos response, and this particular comment.
@@Lakota238 the allegations have been there for a long time. Matthew Cole has emails that Jocko wrote to people in his unit. They're in the book. The stuff about contracts and pay to play is new. But the stuff about his guys taking shots at anything that moves is documented.
shaiksy jakesy
All I can say is ROGER THAT! Thanks jocko for your service. Truth and facts always win.
I'm not military. I'm not even American. British through and through. I've watched all these related podcasts for years. Instantly I knew this was nonsense. 🇬🇧🏴🇺🇸. Love to all those on the front lines.
Yea shit happens anyway. You can see how Russia fights compared to how we did it with you as England was there with us. Clear difference even at our worst compared to the others out there.
Extreme ownership of bullshit and lies? Like the infamous pathological liar Kyle vs. Ventura.
Kyle is not a saint. But so is Ventura. A full on closet Liberal who talks shit all the time about the military and also supports Colin Kaepernick.
Kyle vs Hurricane Katrina looters
@@gleb3841 Kyle vs. His official military silver star decoration count
The more I read/learn about SEALs is that…DELTA IS PROFESSIONAL. Thats it. Thanks.
Let’s keep it house, but let’s write books about everything… It would be nice to hear him just talk as opposed to reading it.
I can say that Jock changed my life for the better. Anyone else out there who shares that sentiment?
okay but what does this have to do with the accusations?
@@scottf5791 That is for each person to decide for themselves.
Dude, you need to explain *WHY* Eric, two Marines, Green Berets, and other Spec Ops are making these claims w/ nothing to gain. Do they just hate you, Jocko? Is it clout for an upcoming book? Is it born out of spite/hatred for SEALs? The barrage of videos coming from Green Beret Chronicles is going to continue escalating, and I don't see this "drama" ending any time soon.
You seriously *NEED* to address the motivation for why so many seemingly legit sources are willing to speak publicly about gross misconduct committed by the SEALs & Task Unit Bruiser.
The second that SEALs started writing books and making movies, I knew this type of explosion was bound to happen.
I just spent one min searching TH-cam and found multiple other military personnel including other seal members make the same claims so it’s definitely not just one marine…
Did you also find the Marines defending him? Or the other SEALS defending him? Maybe take more than a minute to get some additional info🤷
Any proof of these claims? Names? Proof of connection to Jocko?
Don't talk rubbish
I was SOF in Iraq February 06-September and to completely dismiss this and act like war crimes weren’t committed on a regular basis and 99% wasn’t swept under the rug is a lie and you know it. I wasn’t with you but I heard stories while I was on the ground. The truth will come out eventually.
exactly. these are far form the only war crime allegations made about the seal community. Devgroup has had multiple war crime allegations against them Some examples of scalping dead insurgents with hatches, canoeing, and alot more
@@SammyMcBride-o1jcanoeing? 😂 how dare they? Only kayaking is allowed! 🤣
Really what was your MOS?
Or were you simply a part of the mentioned war crimes?
It's kinda funny how people are arguing about war crimes from almost two decades ago when much worse war crimes are happening everyday with impunity.
Invite them onto the podcast so its face to face. It can be your first colored episode. Quite symbolic actually.
Defending Kyle is laughable -Jocko knows it..
Don't talk rubbish , don't be Pussies
Jocko makes good points and could easily sue for slander and liable claims. He should, in fact, bring this to a civilian court so the truth can come to light. Or make a theatrical black and white TH-cam response video. Either way.
Glad to hear your side of the story.
Information from anonymous sources usually carries little value. If a person tarnishes someone else's name, their name should be on the line as well.
Plus, tearing people down usually isn't done with good intentions.
God bless.
I want him to invite the fella on for a man to man.
He seemed just as defensive in his steroids response video. He’s starting to seem like a roiding war crime committer who got people killed and then wrote a book about owning it all while making videos denying it all.
Yea thats some gay shit. If i join im going army. I rather be a leader then an author
Yall say anything
I find it so ironic that the Navy Seal insignia (The "Trident") displays an eagle with a bowed head to show humility. To receive a trident is to enter into a contract of sorts. With the understanding that using your military experience to make a profit is not only despicable, but also runs a massiverisk to those still doing the job by revealing SOPs TTPs and general information pertaining to duty. Thes guys tarnish the reputation and should not be trusted.
Well said!
This is a bad take. It's a free country and nothing that Jocko, Andy Stumpf, Shaun Ryan has said that has said that would risk anything pertaining to duty or service. Good for them for making a living after their brave service to our country. And shame on you for even thinking that they should be denied that opportunity.
Don't talk rubbish , don't be Pussies
The US (quite reasonably as far as intent goes, we just suck at picking our fights) wages wars to protect economic hegemony (=profit) by maintaining strategic military hegemony. Only the risk TTP etc exposure if any is unsat. America is a business. It's worth remembering the reasons Americans are sent on strategically useless, misinformed, dishonestly marketed and counterproductive constabulary missions are hardly altruistic. Too bad they're poorly chosen but our national decision-making is evidently the best our leaders know how.
Meh, I still dont believe Jocko. Sorry but I just don’t.
Meh, doesn't matter anyway. Its war and nothing is going to happen anyway this is all just online shit no matter what. Fact of the matter is "its war" is actually all that is needed to be said. You can just see the difference in how Russia fights and how we fight. Civilians will always be harmed in war, always have been and always will be. Its just chalked up to the game. None of you phonies give af about some random whoevers a world away anyhow, sorry you just don't.
On the one hand, you insult, Marines, and on the next sentence you say that it’s insulting to Marines and make up your mind. What’s despicable is that it looks like you’re hiding.
I don’t know about any of these other claims. I was in Baghdad (sadr city) around the same time and can absolutely attest that most of the claims are highly unlikely. Given the stated scrutiny all of us were under at the time.
The one thing I can confirm is the seals reluctance to communicate with the conventional forces in the area to deconflict the battle-space. The seals in sadr city were definitely some pre madonnas and it almost cost them their life at the end of a 25mm Bradley chain gun. Then they demanded we escorted them out of the area because we “compromised their hide site”. After they intentionally gave us the wrong grid coordinates after many many requests for it. But I don’t want to paint all seals with a brush because of one unit on one long night in a crazy environment.
Fyi it's primadonna not pre Madonna lol
@@EWORK08 lol I was using speech to text while driving. Didn’t even notice. That hilarious.
The two guys from the last video's comment section are now mysteriously quiet....
Because they knew they were wrong from the beginning
I got flack from some guys for simply saying that I wish Jocko would address the shit people were saying bc I respected him and wanted to hear his side of it before I had an opinion about it. They said I was riding his dick and everyone knows jockos a murdered and all this other dumb shit so I’ve been looking for them on here and.. crickets…
Hahaha YEPPP
I imagine they're quiet because it's only been 3 days. Jocko was quieter for longer before responding.
@yonmusak ? Those people were commenting within hours of the video. You think they are taking their time because Jocko (who probably already planned on releasing next sequential episode) felt he needed to interrupt that and instead post 2 vids rebutting rumors?
I do not think that is why they are quiet.
Screw anyone talking shit. I wouldn't be pissed for me but as you stated in the start; those that are no longer around to defend themselves. That is what would infuriate me. Never stand down Jocko. Screw the haters.
That's a super philosophy. That way you can go through life not knowing both sides of the story, and most importantly the truth. You're such a fanboy, you wouldn't care if [the accusations] were true.
So you want us to believe that a four-star general got a brief directly from you and skipped everyone else above you or were you just a small portion of a larger brief. A more accurate picture on your brief. On the one hand, you say you were the man briefing and doing everything and on the other hand, you said you had to take orders from other people potentially even a lieutenant. Smells like old chow food.
1. Navy Seal Chief
2. Green Beret
3. Green Beret
4. Marine XO
5.?
Jocko has a lot to answer to
How so? BTW what rank is the Marine?
And the GBs?
The only one making somewhat substantial claims is the marine XO and his facts are not true. Why should we trust his interpretation of them?
@@trunkmonkey3629as an xp he's captain or above. So clearly u know little about anything to have an opinion
After hours and hours of listening, We know who you are sir. We hear the emotion in your voice. We are forever thankful for the hard earned lessons you teach us. Thank you Jocko.
You only know what’s being put out by someone. Unless you know him personally we know as much as is put out.
Hes not sleeping with you bro 😂
You have no F’ing clue who this guy is. What a ridiculous thing to say.
@drp1bb856 Even if you know someone personally...isn't that still all you know? What they put outwards?
Denis Rader comes to mind. Richard Kuklinski. Etc.
@@renewed6250 Too true.
These advanced hit pieces on people like Jocko helping improve the mentality and culture of our young men and women are almost getting predictable.
Who else besides Jocko?
Dr. Andrew Huberman was recently the topic of a valueless hit piece. Based off a letter written by a scorned ex girlfriend.
FR its just so easy to summarily mock then dismiss them. FK em
For the ill-informed, no, this isn’t my real name. I have a family and don’t want to be messed with. When men face life in prison, they will silence anyone by any means. However, I am a real former SEAL.
I was with SEAL Team Two from 2004 to 2011, in the Navy from 2002 to 2013, with three tours to Iraq, South America, Africa, and Afghanistan. There’s always been a rift between the East and West Coast, so take this with a grain of salt. At Team Two, we all thought Jocko Willink wasn’t doing a good job. So much so that we didn’t use any of their tactics, which is a fact. Was it in direct response to Jocko? Not sure, as I was only an E-5 when tactics changed. We operated only at night and made sure not to stand out with patches and such. In response to Michael Monsoor, I presume, we began to dog-ear our grenades with rubber bands and wear them in pouches instead of draping them on the pin and spoon. We also put tape on the pin and double wrapped it. One drunken night, I heard that Monsoor had pulled his own pin by accident because it got caught on something. That part is just hearsay. But the fact is, after Monsoor died, we changed TTPs on grenades. Why? Not sure. Bottom line is, on the East Coast, TRADET was teaching none of the tactics deployed by Jocko. We got up at 4 PM not 4 AM on deployments to conduct nighttime OPs. I know several SEALs, including Mike Day, who didn’t like Jocko.
Now, as far as murder being involved, I wasn’t there. But I can say the enemy doesn’t wear uniforms, so identifying enemies is tough. And just because they don’t have guns doesn’t mean they are allies. At that time, cell phones, kids' toys, walkie-talkies, etc., were being used to detonate bombs. This included women, children, and men of all ages. So, on that front, that’s a hard case to prove some 20 years later.
Now, as far as Jocko being some great leader, I’ve seen no proof of any great leadership in the military, period, as the war in the Middle East has been lost, and we are on the brink of WW3, and we have more laws in America than before 9/11.
Here’s how the award system works in the military: Only screw-ups get high awards. If a group of SEALs does a mission with no shots fired and arrests the guy and gets him convicted in court, you get some low-level award. If you do daytime ops, use explosive breaching, alert everyone, Americans get shot and killed, and you survive, you get the highest awards. That’s a fact. The military awards failure.
So did Jocko use terrible tactics? Yes. Is that a crime? I don’t believe so. Did he kill civilians? Hard to say. Is a he great leader? We lost the war and guys got killed on his deployment. No one was using his tactics as of 2013.
Now, the martial arts thing. I can’t say if he was making money on the deal but a forensic accountant could figure that out quickly. But the Deter System was not widely loved. We all wanted some MMA-type training but due to contracts with Duane Deter it was difficult.
The same Mike Day that was on his podcast?
Yes. In the interview, he even says daytime operations weren’t a good idea. Mike only did the podcast to help promote his book. He told me personally that Jocko was an idiot and that he believed Chris Kyle was a murderer. But again, East Coast SEALs always poked fun at West Coast SEALs. The fact is, we no longer conduct operations like Jocko did. Jocko was using old tactics from the Vietnam era, so it’s not like Jocko had a lot to go on. Based on my career, it’s completely plausible it was all covered up. I saw all sorts of questionable things happen. My own act of valor was based upon bullshit in Iraq. I’ve seen people with broomsticks get shot by up to 16 rangers. The divide between good and evil in combat is blurry. Anyone who takes a side knows fuck all about the very nature of morality.
@TheDday246 people have said Jocko and Deming are both PNG, any truth to that
All SEALs who go public and do podcasts and such get shunned by active-duty SEALs. When I was in, we couldn’t even have a social media account.
@@TheDday246 I fought in Adhamiyah as a grunt in 1st Infantry Division. The saying "never meet your heroes' was 100% correct. Army SF teams would run raids into Sadr City without telling our unit and then when shit would go down we had no idea why and just had to absorb the violence. Then came the retaliation attacks.
The only thing I learned about Special Forces was that they are overrated. Many of the missions they did could have been done by a line infantry company with the same results.
The fact that you admit that you loan out weapons is evidence that you practice what you want to practice. no unit gives weapons to another without an extreme paper trail arrow documents, perhaps chain of custody putting it in someone’s green book
Where is the proof brother?
The proof is in the hands of the DoD. All that paperwork and any paperwork for that matter that was filed at that time is now electronically recorded in the DoD database. If the government took these accusations seriously the documents would most definitely be brought to light.
Sorry to hear you are being called out for some BS! This is what happens to people who promote freedom and individual excellence! You and Andy Frisella have inspired me to take accountability for myself! Thanks for the Service to our Country and the men you led in combat! Keep up the good fight Sir, you will be menaced by cowards as long as you are over the target! Discipline is Freedom!!
I'm an old man and I have listened to Jocko.....
He is making a good living off his military service. Chris Kyle..... Write a book, make a movie. Marcus Lutrell. Admit to throwing his rifle and running. "I was a bitch, a coward" Marcus own words.
I saw the Robert Chapman footage and saw his trained SEAL brothers run away and leave him on the hill.
I have no respect for these SEAL's and I believe Jocko is hated by many in the military.
God will judge Jocko.
Lol
Wait, Luttrell threw down his rifle? I did not know this. Can you tell more? Also why did the other seals run away? Is there videos on this?
@@Acordionista509 He actually said that on an interview with Anderson Cooper. He said Murphy was screaming "Marcus, I need help" and he said he lost his nerve.
Unless that was AI generated... I didn't want to believe it either
@@fredmckinley4660 oh wow, I watched a clip of it, I can't believe it. I don't think the average person knows this. I always thought this guy was a badass hero
@@Acordionista509 We are being fed lies from every direction.
People (Ramadi vets) are saying that Chris Kyle would take a corner of a buiding and start firing. When people came to help. Chris would move to another corner and start blasting away... Quite possibly. He wasn't shooting at anyone but he was only creating an illusion of a huge kill count. As I would believe he would be up on war crimes if he was actually shooting people.
BOTH Marcus and Kyle were under Jocko on task force bruiser.
They are badass war fighters and I can't take that from them.
They are also media whores and opportunists
I will NEVER buy a product from your company or any company you are involved with again.
Maybe Joe Rogan can save you??
Dom I agree ! Let's see how long until Jocko deletes this podcast and or your comment.
Don't talk rubbish.......this is called Cancel Culture ....shameless twats
I was a new HM in Afghanistan (My first deployment, 1st of 3 tours there) during this time in Ramadi. I was hyped and excited for my first tour but I will never forget after we landed there was a ramp ceremony immediately after. I could see the toll it had on those soldiers faces. In that moment I knew this was for real. I quickly realized this was not a game.
ISAF/RC South had very specific ROEs. They were the same in 06’ & 08’ and didn’t change until Summer of 09’ (McChrystal) but I want to say that the Frogmen/EOD dudes had slightly different ROEs but it was not that vast.
One thing I have come to think about GWOT is I’m glad for everyone that made it back home and as for the bad guys > Fk’em
Same. I am about to hit my 20 and I’m happy to move on. It’s time to hang out with the wife and play sports with our boys. 🤙🏽
Thank you for standing tall for us. BZ
I'm impressed, thank you
Jocko, I don't know what happened...I wasn't there. But I will say that if you're innocent, you must have done something to seriously piss off more than a few people.
Chris kyle said in his book that he sniped American civilians during a national emergency with katrina look it up..sick stuff
If the guy is lying sue him? Its that simple. This defamed you if its not true. Sue him and lets do a gathering of the actual facts. Thats what most public figures do when they are slandered
He can’t because the allegations are true
that would be very hard to do considering some of these ops are still classified. They would have to attempt to declassify them in order to file a lawsuit in civilian courts because right now its just "he said, she said".
@user-mr2do5vr1v that's not true at all. If you accuse someone of murdering people unjustly that Trumps any and all nonsense you are talking about. Even if they had to do a secret type of hearing to deal with it it needs to be dealt with one way or another.
@@OG-GHOST2 that is absolutely true what I said. Id love to see your sources
@@OG-GHOST2 "Classified information may need to be declassified or handled in a manner consistent with national security protocols to be admissible in court. This process would typically involve coordination between the litigants, their legal counsel, and relevant government agencies."
Playing Mr toughguy warhero turns out to be a loose canon who endangered the lives of marines and other soldiers by reckless behavior.
I've never commented on a you tube video in my life. But it is my sincere hope the rest of the green berat community stand up and call this guy out. For him to slander and attack other veterans will these despicable lies with the clear intent of trying to propup his own channel which bears the Green Berat name is a godamn shame and a disgrace to whole community.
How do you know its slanger? Maybe its true? Don't make up your mind based on your attraction to the personality.
Jocko stop deleting comments
Your comment is right there 🤷
@@NVVic97yeah what would be the point of deleting it? What have I posted that he doesn’t want ppl to see? He deleted comments from marines that served in ramadi
@@matthewpyke5602 No he didn't lol you're just not smart enough to know that YT deletes comments. You were putting insults in there and just aren't a smart person lolol
Jocko thank you for breaking this down very clearly so I can better understand the situation. It hurt to hear someone slandering you and members of your community because I have so much respect for all of you. I can only imagine how difficult it was for you to dig into this and all I can say is thank you for helping clear the air at least about your side of things. Thank you sir
Just tell the truth man! You are harming the Teams, Navy and military. I am very familiar and retired USN. You just need to come clean. Practice what you preach and have some integrity…. Please! I was a HUMINT collector at the time in the AO. I am someone that hears all sides but know facts. I would really like to hear your response to some pointed questions even off line. Maybe you can change the point of reference I have on facts but that would take a lot. The more you dig in your heels on this the more people you hurt including multiple Gold Star Families. Eric Deming has nothing to gain but more to lose by telling the truth he has. He is doing what is right. I would really like some answers. No one loans serialized weapons out man. No unit wants to take on that burden. You are emotionally playing with folks by bringing up the angel flight. Like I said, please change my mind but that’s hard with the facts I know. What say you?
Lets apply some of the EXTREME RESPONSIBILITY. Since the Iraq invasion was all based on lies but people still continued to serve in the bad war for decades, maybe the people who VOLUNTEER are to blame for he whole thing. Is that too EXTREME!!!!!
@@dasse8717the last people to blame would be the volunteers. They were fed false information. So they were doing what they thought was right. But then again during Vietnam they blame people that were drafted.
I watched the interview with Mr Eric Deming he tells a very compelling story. I've never been in the military so I'm a little out of my field here. I too ask what does he have to gain? But why has he waited so long? We are a little over 5 months from the election. I wonder what Deming"s political views are? Is it possibly politically motivated. I have watched many of Jocko's podcasts. Maybe I fell Hook line and sinker. I am trying to approach this with an open mind.
@@jackmewhalle6937 Eric has no motivations except for what is right. In the NSW community your reputation is everything. Mr. Deming is risking loosing life long friends to bring the truth forward. The community is hurting not just over this but other things and addressing these things is crucial for the survival of the teams.
@@dasse8717 Those of us that volunteered went because we believed in the mission and we now realize that there was a lot wrong with the conflict. We went with the best intentions only to find out we were used for lack of better words. The extreme accountability that Jocko teaches is overboard too. Amongst other things that’s why he retired as an o-4. He fell up to the school house because he was a liability on the battlefield. Falling up the ladder is a problem because you end up with failures as leaders.
How did Eric Deming serve 27 years in the teams and not make Master Chief as a SEAL?
He did not get promoted by jockos boss and was forced out of the teams is what i read in an article. I dont know if it's sour grapes or what but deming was not there and thats what bothers me about his stories about all these seals. Sounds more like demings opinion to me.
He was in the teams for 20yrs. The first 7 years he was just in the regular Navy
Erics feelings got hurt now he's running down Jocko, marcus and Chris Kyle. He's an idiot that needs his ass kicked
I listened to Deming and thought this guy is nuts!! Old ass hole running his mouth!!
@@williammccusker8408 what bothers me the most is it makes our best soldiers look like dipshits to the rest of the world !! I feel seals selling their story is fine if you are not giving away seal tactics or anything like that and it HAS TO BE TRUE and able to back it up or its causing problems that for security reasons we dont need to know. It paints a bad image period on the very guys that do shit nobody else can!! Handle shit internally if there is anything to truely handle. 15 min of fame and some cash.......... nah
I didn’t believe what I had heard, and I knew like the man he is that Jocko would address the issue and here we are. Love this man.
Gay
Well said and answered with the DIRECT approach.
Only after a week of being bombarded 🤣 and he even had to make a third video. Bro seals pocket book took a hit no doubt or was fixin to
@@noneofyourbiz6885or he doesn't live online or in the comment section like we do.
You are incapable of honesty.
I served from 1997-2012 and the one thing I was always told by an old, Vietnam era Gunny was, "You only tell war stories at the local VFW...."
I have no dog in this fight yet I think it would be best for these, "warriors" to keep quiet and take their stories and ride off into the sunset....
I can tell you that lots of incidents took place down range and that's the best place for them to stay, down range....
Jocko rarely (if ever) speaks ill of any other veteran or fellow seal…while you watch guys throw dirt at him.
Because his background is trash he can’t do it
Maybe because things will come out for him?
Thank you, Jocko. I'm sorry that you had to make this video.
I'm a little confused on what these marines have to gain by making this up? I understand what the guys who run these podcasts are getting out of it in terms of views and attention, but as far as
I know these marines don't have a podcast. They're not selling a book either, or anything else for that matter... so why would they make this up? Just a personal grudge after nearly 20 years? There has been rumours about Chris Kyle for years, along with some pretty well known operations or personalities not being exactly accurate in their portrayals. Sitting down with these guys may be your best way to clear all of this up instead of playing video tag back and forth.
Don’t let any of this distract you from the fact we should have never been there in the first place.
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Irrelevant as that has nothing to do with anything and everyone already knows that you're not smart.
Bro.....bro....just be fuckin honest. Holy shit. Yall figured out how to get passed the ROEs cmon man. Make the seals look bad. And how are 30+ marines reports false? Cmon
Source for 30 plus marines report? Source it or shut up.
The only thing worse than false accusations is corruption. False accusations are an annoying hurt. But corruption 𝘯𝘦𝘦𝘥𝘴 to be burned out wherever it is found, or at least, it must be attempted. So whatever happens... If these are false accusations I hope Jocko is cleared. And if it is evidence of corruption... Well, Jocko's gonna have a hell of a lot to own. Either way - let the truth win.
All I need to know is what Eric Deming stands to gain from this besides intense heat and scrutiny. It dosnt make sense to me why someone would bring something like this down on themselves for a lie. Eric has no TH-cam channel or any other way to make money off of talking about things he did in the military. I served 6 years in the military with multiple Iraq tours and I damn sure didn’t do it so I could talk about it on the internet and make money.
Eric deming is clearly telling the truth .....what has he got to gain? NOTHING! He's setting the record straight on these corrupt SEALS like this wink character who by the sounds of completely reinvented himself because of his poor leadership skills......
You're wasting your time here, you're talking to religious fanatics who worship at this guy's altar. You could show video and they wouldn't believe it.
@sj6404 isn't there drone video out now anyways.
@@sj6404I’m definitely starting to realize that lol
The US military, ESPECIALLY the SEAL community have built a long reputation of lies and spin to cover up their incompetence. From Red Wings to the Chris Kyle BS, they have earned scrutiny. This is why you dont idolize your heros. Very few people are what they appear to be.
Who shot the old man that was tending his yard? Then who decided to roll up his body in a rug and throw it in an alley? Who's call was that?
Sometimes you can't just ignore it... You have to confront false accusations and scurilous attacks head on, and deal with it directly and categorically. This is leadership. You have my gratitude for your service and sacrifices made on behalf of our country. Much success to you. God bless
I'm a Marine. Wearing a punisher skull doesn't make you a bad guy, and it is not un-professional. To think that everything that a military person does is exactly by the book is ridiculous. You really think that I can't carry an extra weapon that I borrowed, without getting my superior's permission? Gimme a break. Rules are bent all the time. This behavior is prominent among ALL ranks, all the way up to the Commander in Chief. Obviously, killing the innocent in a gratuitous fashion is horrendous. IF there is proof beyond "they said", or "I heard", please provide it. Until then, I will 100% support Jocko.
""To think that everything that a military person does is exactly by the book is ridiculous. You really think that I can't carry an extra weapon that I borrowed, without getting my superior's permission? Gimme a break"
Lol. Bro, you're telling on yourself with that statement. You were never in the military.GTFO
@@dixoncider3396 Good morning. Chris did mention that in conversations, but it's not in his book, nor has it been verified. In August 2005(when katrina hit), Chris Kyle was stationed in Iraq, involved in various operations and missions. There is no verified evidence that he was in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina.
@@dixoncider3396 Good morning. He never mentioned it in his book, though he did so in conversations. It was never confirmed, especially since he was in Iraq during Katrina. Probably a lie. He lied about punching Jesse Ventura. Chris is still an American Hero. Lying doesn't disqualify him from that title.
@@martincommunications5381 lying about shooting American civilians makes u a hero???? He served just like me and the rest of us I was in falijah in 2006 we don't have any of these claims against us. Imagine marines building trust then these idiots come in and wreck shop and leave and hurt civilians then the marines gotta deal with the aftermath
@@martincommunications5381 um that's not true a simple google search will tell u otherwise u can read it in his book sir. Semper fi
Green Berets have always been more professional than Seals.
Ok
Don't talk rubbish
If someone spread rumors about me , i just detacth and know in my mind that i have the moral high ground. This is why it is so important to never compromise on or let anyone else compromise your morals and ethics , even in war..
There's rumors and then there's slander/ character assassination/ defamation( the latter being what this this is-IF it isn't true). These are serious accusations against Jocko and his Task Unit of recklessness, corruption and committing war crimes. I'm glad that he responded but if these accusations aren't true, then I think that Jocko should take legal action.
@@JR-ju3kj Tbh i think the truth is somwhere in the middle. But i dont think you understood what i said . It is important to have good morals and ethics as a standard ,that way nothing can touch you even if people try to put something bad on you. Its like a sheild and in a way.
@@JohnDoe-yu2xw I would agree with that 100%.
I do think that it is important to have good morals and ethics as a standard and I absolutely agree that it's like a shield in a way because then people can't put anything bad on you because you're not giving them anything to use against you in the first place-it's like how I always say that if you live your life in a good, positive and truthful way and have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about.
But to be clear, are you saying that you think that Jocko does have good morals and ethics as a standard or are you saying that you think that he doesn't have good morals and ethics as a standard? I just want to make sure that I understand you correctly.
@@JR-ju3kj It is hard to judge a mans character based on what one presents to the public espc if that public persona is based on a brand. Too many examples of people not being who or what they are selling to the public...
All I heard in this podcast is a War Criminal trying to justify his actions.
BTW, I was in the military, and believe 100% Jaco and his crew killed innocents.
@@bigpuma9387 based on what evidence
@pcap8810 based on the evidence provided by other members of the unit, and the Marine attachment in the same area at the time.
@@bigpuma9387 what evidence? all we get is "A guy in my unit heard this murder happened", I swear you guys who go in for this stuff just live for teen girl gossip
What i don't understand is why so many "commenters" are apparant fake accounts? Especially when so many of the initial responses (and even some here) are obviously bots? That would imply someone is at minimum, invested on bringing Jocko down, no?
No. I saw the other video and came here to read the response. It is quite possible that a lot of this happened and Jocko didn't know because he was in the ivory tower. What I find amusing is so many cult followers here who can't have an open mind because they're so invested in the guy.
Eric Demming should be a guest to discuss and clarify face to face.
Jocko needs to read Extreme Ownership
Thanks Jocko. This is a pretty definitive comeback to everything Deming claimed.
I get his (Deming's) gripes with seal culture and all the glorification...I have to say Jocko does capitalize on having been a seal, but certainly does it in a more honorable fashion but moreover...the 'product' of leadership as he packages it is simply really sound. It works.
I still have lingering disappointment in how DEF Reset 2024 was executed, but I already provided my PowerPoint on that to JockoFuel team ;)
Everyone knows it was very, very easy to commit war crimes. It was before the age of social media and smart phones. It was chaotic and everyone was in over their heads. And American Units 100% smoked a LOT of civilians down there and nothing came of it. The cases that are being made public and followed up on are few and far between in the context of the overall mayhem that those units caused in Iraq and Afghanistan.