3500KG TOW TEST!! FORD F150 vs RAM 1500 vs CHEV 1500
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 มิ.ย. 2024
- WE TEST FORD F150 vs RAM DT 1500 vs CHEV SILVERADO 1500 TOWING 3.5 TONNE
0-100KPH ACCELLERATION TEST
HILL CLIMB - FLAT TO THE FLOOR
SUSPENSION & HANDLING
FUEL ECONOMY
SPECIFICATIONS
All this with 3.5 tonne on the back - who wins??
We hook up a 3.5 Tonne Caravan and test these 3 V8 Powered American Utility Vehicles. FORD F150 vs RAM DT 1500 vs CHEV SILVERADO 1500 in a 0-100kph (0-62mph) acceleration test, a 12.5% gradient hill climb, fuel economy and a weight specifications test.
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The 6.2 is absolutely fantastic
Just Purchased a RAM 1500 Limited in White yesterday ...Cant Wait
great to see onroad testing done with "real" weight caravans....top effort guys, and certainly got me thinking about an upgrade....cheers..
Great video guys.
Would have preferred that you used the f150 with the V6 3.5lt twin turbo, much more suited for towing.
and overheating
Well reading this not the RAM
"was posted by Australian Expedition Vehicles back in June ....
"As an approved person engineer, AEV has been swamped with requests to provide a GVM upgrade post registration to RAM 1500 vehicles.
It is not good news.
These vehicles have a stated GVM and GCM from RAM.
GVM= 3450kg
GCM= 7237kg
FRONT axle Max load= 1770kg
REAR axle Max load=1770kg
Total = 3540kg is the maximum that can be certified on these.
Note the sales pitch has a 4500kg Max Brake Tow Capacity.
Real towing is= 7237 - 3450 = 3787 kg
At Kerb weight of these vehicles are 2605 kg. That's only measured with full tank of fuel and no driver. So with a 4000kg van with a ball weight at 10% = 400kg + driver plus full fuel, these are nearing overmass.
Another known issue is the factory rims are only rated to 885kg (1950 lb), so restricts them from reaching their full axle mass.
AEV has undertaken a full ADR 3505 for a 10% GVM upgrade to 3750kg ( which is for Vehicle Category NB1, medium goods vehicle) brake test on factory brakes and tyres. The vehicles failed the component test at full GVM for the 20 stops from 0 - 60 kmph. Brakes at 530° C.
So please do your research on these vehicles. They are not suitable for a GVM upgrade of even 10%.
Jmacx offroad solutions is working on a SSM GVM to 4200kg, but will require brake, rim and axle strengthening.
Link to brochure from RAM Australia.
www.ramtrucks.com.au/download-brochure/"
I guess the lesson here is to make a detailed investigation and don't take the sales pitch as gospel"
Well done. I've been waiting for your videos, they're always outstanding.
Thanks Miles!
Great video guys. Glad to see you back.
Thanks , us too!!
Great stuff ! Thank you so informative !
Awesome review, appreciate your efforts. 👌👌
Thanks for watching!!
Great video guys , this was exactly what I was looking for.
Thank you.👍
Glad it was helpful!
Great vid guys, enjoyed it throughly.
Awesome, thank you!
Best review of the three trucks I’ve seen!!
Thanks! We appreciate that.
Thank you. Good to see a real test done. Wouldnt mind seeing the F150 v6 joined to the the line up. Nice to watch your videos with out all the adds & the click baiting & presure to like comment & subscribe. Keep up the good work.
Great honest comparison. Cheers.
Thanks for watching!
Great Vid! For an awesome caravan RV company you guys do great car Vids
Thanks Gavin! We love making them too!
Loving the solar on the top of the van.
Well done guys.
Great review. Love these American trucks. Built for the job
Thanks 👍
Loved the review
Glad you liked it
Thank you for that, it was really good.
thank you!
Great review as always...
Thank you! Cheers!
Your review videos are excellent mate. Thanks for going to all this effort to share with us your thoughts on the U.S. trucks. The only suggestion I have is if you’re going to all this effort in sourcing the vehicles, you may as well do a quick review of the vehicle when not towing too.
Thanks Matty, That's a good point. Thanks for watching.
Great Review of all three vehicles. The Ram was on our list anyway. (I even had a look at the LXV 5.7 Hybrid Caravan (18’7ft). Nice one :-)
Wow ! Astounding Vid, Thank you !
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Thank you for watching!
Awesome video guys 👍
Thanks so much!
G'day love the videos keep them coming, so much info thank you
Do you think you could do a review on a Volkswagen Touareg 190TDi, it has 190kw 600Nm air suspension etc
I have heard the tow 3t no worries and are real good on fuel, what do you think 🤔
Cheers Mick
Keep the car reviews coming great job
Super interesting review - Brilliant! Some details on those flash looking vans would be good too. Would not be surprised if you have over 1.7 mill views same as your “Ford Ranger” review. Great stuff - please keep em coming. THANKS
We have more episodes coming. Thanks for watching!!
That payload and gcm of the Ram is fantastic. Can actually tow 3.5t with people in the car.
Couldn't actually find the payload that high in Australia. Varies from 700 -820kg depending on the 1500 model 😞
@@ukuleledavedownunder8949 yeh I recent checked that out too. They should probably edit the video to fix that.
I'm fairly sure that is the 2500 payload
I just friggin LOVED THIS 👋
Thankyou
Nice review, I had a supercharged patrol and now have a ram, in my mind I did think the ram pulled harder and was more willing to deliver its power.
Awesome video thanks guys! How did you get that payload for the Ram? Does it have a gvm upgrade 🤔
Its been converted by SCD in Brisbane. They have different ratings from other conversion companies. Give them a call for clarification.
That was fun and I didn't even leave the couch! Did any of the motors start to move the temperature gauge on the hill climbs?
Good video, but in my opinion required more information on the down forced through the truck with 300kg on the ball. In particular the rear axle load. I’m currently looking at the Silverado, which only has 524kg to play with through the rear axle. A 300kg TBW results in approximately 450kg through the rear axle. Put the two of you in the vehicle and your looking at being overloaded!
To quote 4500kg towing and 750 payload, without going into the details, has the potential to leave prospective purchasers overloaded ( and hence uninsured) if they don’t do their sums.
Awesome vid, thanks. I dont suppose there is vid for 2500's in the pipeline?
They are on the list. Thanks for watching!!
Finally a towing review on these trucks specifically for what they are intended for!
Excellent & very professional review with spectacular photography scenery in the background.
Though would’ve loved for the F150 3.5L V6 ecoboost to have been included as the dark horse, especially with much more torque than any of the V8’s.
Love the F150 Lariat 3.5L V6, but concerned with its towing capacity given its low kerb weight of around 2.5 tons? I have always been taught never to tow anything heavier than the tow vehicle.
Would appreciate your professional opinion on this?
Great review , im sold on the chev 1500 trail boss with its rear auto locker and 10K price difference. Plus the ridiculous price on 2019 Toyota Prado help with the purchase
I went with the F150 when I got my truck. I've driven and hauled with Rams at work, they have that accelerator tuned so hot that I've also spun tires while hauling. They also fold like a lawn chair in wrecks. Normally I'd recommend not crashing, but if you're gonna do it, the Ram is not the one you want to do it in. I can also drop into sport mode and play with a Hemi. The ram bodies also rust the quickest, idk if its a paint or prep thing, but the F150 with the aluminum body if undercoated, should last as long as that motor can take it. I remember when I was looking at trucks, looking at a few Rams 2-5 years old with paint already bubbling. Rams also have lifter issues due to the cylinder deactivation, Chevy's are even worse. I didn't even consider Chevy with the reputation for their cylinder deactivation issues. My buddy's 19 ram has the tick. The 5.0 was efficient enough that they avoided using cylinder deactivation until like the 22 model year (might not be the exact year.) Time will tell, but over all I felt the Ford would be the longest lasting and that's what I consider the most important, it hasn't disappointed yet. I haul just under 7k lbs (3100ish KG) via an enclosed trailer/toy hauler conversion with a KRX and dirtbikes from the prairies of middle America to the mountains, around 1400 miles one way and it pulls like a dream.
i would really love the gearbox oil, engine oil and engine coolant temp readouts in these tests as you are towing and testing them hard
Great suggestion!
not sure on the new ram ... my 2013 ram has the best gauge set up one screen ..water temp , trans temp , oil temp,oil press can monitor them all day, my transmission never get s that hot oil temp can get up there. I change oil before my long trips and when I get back never seen a rhd American car /truck
Good video. Would have liked to have seen a table with the GCM, GVM, payload etc. particularly how much payload you have left when trailer weight and ball weight is taken from the GCM.
Thanks Daniel. We thought about it!!
Hi guys, thanks for the video. I agree that the only thing omitted is as Daniel said - how much payload is left when you take trailer weight and tbw into account. I think you’ll find these trucks don’t come up so good once you do this. It doesn’t matter that the Ram has 1.2t payload if the GCM won’t allow it to be used.
Heidi needs to get out more. Doesn't know who high tower is. Nice video guys.
Thank you. We are working on it!!
Man that intro had me reeling. I kept thinking on coming traffic was going to collide with you. 😂
Brilliant. Thank you for doing this. I don't really care about the acceleration. What matters is the braking, downhill while towing.
I'd love you to do this again with a 5th wheeler on each of these.
Good video mate! Keep them coming. Do the next size up. F250 and the Ram 2500
There is a chance!!
You should make another video of the same tests without a trailer.
It is very interesting that these pickups are going to Australia
Great video! What were the badges for each of the 3? eg was the RAM the Express, Warlock, Laramie or Limited? Thanks
Lariat for the Ford, Sport for the RAM and LTZ for the Silverado... Hope this is what you mean
Any chance doing the same review on the diesel 2500 trucks? Would love to see that.
Maybe... thanks for watching!!
1000nm from factory, now that’s a tow vehicle
Exactly, no one in their right mind would buy a petrol V8 for towing.
@@fint3810 The low output Ford diesel puts out 1400 nm. High output Ram and Ford are both more than that.
The 2500 diesel crew cabs always have payload issues due to the 1100 lb weight of the diesel. You are better with a 3500 SRW if you want a diesel, but don't want a dually.
the funny thing is you had a nearly top end chevy and ford but a rather base ram lol, the direct trim for a lariat is a ram 1500 Laramie and that can come with 4 wheel air ride from the factory and tows even more, great video glad to see you guys down there testing American trucks even though the ram 1500 Sport is a Canada only Trim level. time to do the HDs lol trucks with 1400nm + please do this
The Ford lariat is just below mid spec and costs $40,000 US and the sport Ram cost is just under $60,000 US so you have your categories mixed. to be on par you would need a King Ranch or Platinum in the Dollar stakes. The Ram Sport is just over $135,000 plus on roads here in Australia. When the F150 gets here in 2024 we can make a better judgement on the price and power etc as the ford will only be available with the V6 twin turbo which is a lot higher in towing and power than the 5.0 V8
@@Sabumnim666 I don't make the rules, this is done by the big 3. Here are the trims as follows XL Ford, WT Chev, ST RAM. Base trucks. Mid level is XLT Ford, BIGHORN RAM, LT chev. High-end LTZ Chev, lariat Ford. Laramie RAM. Luxury Trims, Platnum Ford, High Country Chev, Limited RAM. All of the other trims are parts of these 4 base trims and the Sport is an Option not a trim it's more picked on the BIG horns so you can have colour-matched bumpers and stuff. I know this from the back end as my wife used to work for FCA when they owned it. hopefully, that clears some stuff up.
Hi. Great video.
Checked out the payload on the 1500 ram on their website.
It states they vary from around 700kg to 820kg (depending on model).
Where did you get the figures for the Australian rams payload?
Thanks
Mine is 1,042kg max payload 5.7Hemi Night edition 2021 Ram Rebel
@@mekanikongpinoy8126 Thanks.
Ram don't have that model on their Australian website.
Is that payload standard on the rebel?
Thanks
Dave.
@@ukuleledavedownunder8949 yes
It is more important to highlight the Kerb Weight. The Tare weight is the unladen weight with 10L of fuel. Therefore, the payload of the 2020 RAM 1500 Laramie RamBox SWB is 800kg. Towing more than the vehicle's weight on a rear hitch is not a good idea. I would suggest a dually with a fifth wheel would be a more appropriate configuration.
Ford is the most aesthetically pleasing in my opinion
Love my 21 RAM REBEL…
I would have loved to see the transmission oil temps, coolant temps after each flogging. Especially the Chevy after 3, 0-100 runs back to back. And you didn’t mention the down weight on the ball of the Chevy which was half the reason I was here. Other than that, great video. Except I had to keep skipping the long shots of driving along with pretty crappy music dubbed over it. I’m all for seeing how they look on the road but I thought it was a bit overkill and short and sweet from a few different angles would have been sufficient ✌🏻👍🏻
I'm curious as to what's the total combination weight a driver with a car license is allowed there? & the fuel economy of each truck with and without the caravan please?
Really interesting and i know its a tow test but what are they like off road?
We haven't reviewed that aspect, but we can only assume very capable apart from their physical size. Thanks for watching!!
Great video guys, however would you rate the RAM or the CHEVY towing the full 4.5t? (Ignoring the GCM figures of course). I have a 4t trailer and wondering if I could get away with one of these instead of going up to a HD 2500?
Get the HD, it’s better to have more that what you need.
If you are going diesel skip the 3/4 ton (2500) and go straight to a 1 ton SRW (3500). The diesel eats too much payload in a 3/4 ton. I was always having payload issues with my Ram 2500 diesel. Fixing it with an F450.
Makes me wonder if traction control was on a lower setting on the Ram than the other 2 ???? Tyre pressure higher ??
I’d take the Silverado biggest engine love the look of them could be the next work rig 👌
Doesn’t mean it’s the best engine, those things are bending push rods before the first oil change.
Don’t get the 8 speed transmission lot of issues here in Canada.😊
@@michaelchristopher8266 I think those were defects from the early years, this engine has been out since 2014 and they weren't the best when they came out, but over time the problems got fixed. then they introduced DFM a few years ago and got problems all over again, then again ford and ram are in the same situation too now.
Premium fuel requirement kills the deal.
Lol you don’t buy a 120k truck then worry about an extra $15 a tank for fuel. What a ridiculous comment
The actual payload of all three of these is in the 750-850 kg range, which is barely enough to have 350 kg on the towball and five people plus luggage, let alone 450 kg on the towball towing 4500 kg. I certainly wouldn't want to tow 4500 kg with a 2400-2600 kg tow vehicle.
You can get a supercharger from the conversion people Walkinshaw for the Silverado for about $25k with a warranty. Beast
Very good,now the 3l diesel and the big ones 550nm torque, puny try f250 6.7 475 hp and over 1000 ft pound approx 1500nm
Great comparison guys. Thank-you. Quick question about mirrors and visibility for towing using the standard mirrors only. I am specifically interested in the RAM. I noted that on none of the vehicles did you use any towing mirrors. Is the width of these vehicles sufficient that towing mirrors are unnecessary? I also noted the Ram seems to have some sort of convex insert in the top outer corners. And feedback on this would be welcome. Cheers.
some trucks have a mirror head that pushes out farther to see around body trailer. I add on my ram a removable ext mirror on the mirror head, my airstream is 8.5' wide .your caravan s are 7' wide id still use one, bet clear view might make something for a US as you call them utes .like my 2013 rams gauge set up monitor water/tran/il temps, oil press set up the #s to see what gear are huge. haven't looked at 2021 ram , 10speed automatic in ford, chevy some are liking the fords echo boost
Towing mirrors are an option on the 1500 Ram. They were the same units as the 2500 and they work well in the "out" position, but they are terrible when folded down. They are also a PITA to adjust every time you extend or drop them so most people just leave them up. I could easily see around the sides of a 8.5x30 enclosed car hauler.
Any chance you could convince the importers and converters to bring the 2500 petrols to Australia? Ram 6.4 hemi, Ford 7.3 godzila, and Chev 6.6 L8T.
That would be cool!! We can ask
@@MountainTrailRV I've been trying to bring this up, but none of the importers and reviews or public are on board. With our air brake laws we don't really need the diesel 2500s which are more suited to 6t towing and up. Similarly we have our Ute's and SUV's for 3.5t towing. So we don't really need the 1500s for 4t ish towing. We're kind of getting shafted here in Aus with what's on offer. A 2500 petrol will tow 4.5t all day with big payload, cost less then a diesel, be easier to maintain and more capable then a 1500. Anyway see what happens or if it opens up some more discussion.
@@Dan-rg7jj Some good points you have there.
@@Dan-rg7jj Completely agree. The 2500 diesels are actually a bit of a strange setup. The additional engine weight and maximum GVWR of 10,000 lbs (for class 2b) make payload a problem. I have been running a 2011 Ram 2500 CC diesel since new and payload was always the limiting factor. I was fine towing my 30' enclosed car hauler (14k GVW) at capacity, but my 24k gooseneck flatbed would overload the truck way before the trailer got near rated load. It was always a battle that I finally got sick of, sold the Ram a couple of months ago and am waiting for a factory order on an F450.
If you want to go diesel you are better off with at least a 350/3500 SRW.
What are the "air brake laws" in Australia? We have to have trailer brakes on trailers over 5,000 lbs (weight varies by state), but they are electric and 2500s and up have trailer brake controllers from the factory.
Yep a $40 grand truck in the states being flogged after a rebuild for anything up to $180 grand real bloody fair.
I’d like to see the v6 twin turbo. I had one
Its on the list!! Thanks for watching
Ford No.1 !
Great B-roll footage and transitions and a great idea trying to have 2 presenters, you guys probably want to script your characters a little better. Your Operations Manager is definitely more capable than just nodding and reading off a piece of paper. Feel free to take multiple takes, it would take your production to the level your ideas deserve.
Thanks so much!
Why would you do a test/review on the petrol versions when only the diesel versions are available in Australia (except for the Ram 1500)?
It does not make sense????
Great comparison but why wasn’t the Toyota Tundra put into the mix.
Would love to see that against the other three.
Great point!
They’re too dated and we need the newer model
nis ann Titian and tundra
The Tundra isn’t competitive enough.
but gas hogs
Everyone talks like it's a new thing. Silverados have been coming out for years!
you wouldnt want too much in the back of the chev towing 3.5 ton! with only 700 kg payload!!
760kg
I’d like to have seen this video with all 3 in their diesel forms.
The only one that offers a diesel in the Chevy. You have to go to 250/2500 or higher to get a diesel option in all 3. The Ram also does not offer a high output version until the 3500.
It's a shame you didn't also compare a 79 Toyota duel cab. That is the best Australian delivered rhd tow ute. I would like to see how it stood up to these bigger more expensive trucks.
The Toyota is nowhere near any of these for towing. Max 3.5 tonne towing, so effectively, you will never put 3.5 tonne behind one, ;egally. These are all good at 4 tonne. Tiny GVM. of 3250kg for the Toyota, and a high tare. And every bit as thirsty as the petrol v8s when you really put the boot in, without the power. And that is without getting into creature comforts, and value for money, where the Toyota is just a farm ute, and not a very comfortable one at that. Toyotas will climb mountains better, but this is a bitumen tow test.
@@ralphblundell9479 A 2022 RAM 1500 Laramie only has a 3450 kg and 779 kg payload, too. It's nowhere near a one-tonne ute. In fact, it has less payload than a 2009 Discovery SE TDV6.
what about the diesels ???
700lts of fuel was used during the production of this video 😂
Love the chev! Maybe next try the V8 diesel American vs Euro? Audi has my vote.
Are you sure those Ram specs are correct, especially the payload?
Its not a Walkinshaw conversion so has "Better" figures.
@@IBOO57 so how do they get better payload? Change axle ratings or something else?
No towing mirrors?
No diesel versons of these vehicles?
How about give a " starting price " guide of these 3 trucks?
The only half ton left with a diesel is the Chevy. Diesels are too difficult to make meet EPA regulations in the entry level full size pickups. You need to get up to a 3/4 ton (250/2500) or higher for diesels to be viable for the North American market.
Would have been good to have all results up on the screen side by side at the end.
Thank you for the suggestion, I'll definitely consider it for future videos.
the 5.0L is not the right engine to compare with the 5.7L and the 6.2L. you should have used the 3.5 ecoboost V6.
Yes. And why test the y.w and not the much more common 5.3…?
Ford RAPTOR!!
I like chevy right hand drive
I like the ram
It's a good comparison but the 6.4 hemi is More in line with the 6.2 chevy but I don't know if you guys get that engine in australia the 5.0 ford is a great engine but obviously a bit smaller compared to the other two
No, we do not get the 6.4 hemi. I have that engine in a 2019 Chrysler 300, but all we get for the Ram is the 5.7l. Don't know why.
1423 nm and 475 hp just checked ford 6.7 diesel ,fyi my c15 cat diesel is twice the capacity nearly 15 liter and 550 hp torque about 2500nm torque and over in in Australia our road trains pull in excess of 130 ton
Ford just released the High Output version.
f150 coming to oz is powered by 3.5 twin turbo engine, isn’t it?
I agree with the outcome based on performance and weight capacities. But there are other considerations like price and equipment levels in the vehicles. I don’t think the Silverado comes standard with SatNav
Yes, that is true. Our comparison was based on engine performance, fuel economy, suspension handling, and towing specifications. All of the vehicles had different specification levels so we could not compare that aspect evenly. The Chev was the highest spec level as it was the LTZ and it certainly had some great features!!
What was the actual model of the Ram
2021 RAM 1500 5.7 V8 Sport
Great test between the three best. Only a bit dangerous though as the kept driving on the wrong side of the road. I’m sure they don’t care much though, as they kept talking about “kilos,” so I’m pretty sure they’re running drugs from Mexico.
Coincidentally, I have a 2019 Ram 1500 Laramie and after having a 2016 F150 FX4 Sport and 2014 Z71 LTZ, the Ram is the BEST driving truck.
Haha just lost brownie points for not have seen Police Academy 🤣 what the ?? 😂
Really dig the Chev..
Would you be upset if you bought the biggest baddest truck then someone easily and effortlessly pulls a bigger trailer faster while going away from you with your foot flat on the floor? Well that's exactly what you'd experience in America if you bought the Chevy or the Ram! Ford has committed serious resources to what's next and that is the Hybrid Plus 3.5 Ecoboost with a 7.5 kw powerstation in the bed. It walks the other two effortlessly!
Mate the video was on what they tested that day not what’s coming
haven't tried the echo boost ford yet that 7.5 power boost, great for off the grid .touring camping would I even need solar ?
Silverado just has so much more power a whole second faster to 100mph then both the F150 AND RAM
Yes it did. Thanks for watching!!
They're very good for towing
Very good on road
But you take em off road through mud and sand they struggle
Long wheel base struggles
What about GMC to try towing next time
Gmc is just a chev with different badges
@@jah1995wake And combined are the No.1 seller in America.
@@patrickflaherty3253 ford f series is close than ram Toyota Tundra and a few if any buy the Nisan titan
@@youtubecarspottersguide1 However if they could sell a RHD Nissan Titan in Australia at around $70,000 then they would sell like hot cakes.
GMC is nicer and has more features.
Great video. but i take it that engine was loud inside, you did not need to yell so much but you did seem excited
I was!!
Tone have music down
Nothing beats the duramax engine in the Chev 💪
It dosent have a Duramax its a petrol.
The 3.5 eco boost would have left all 3 in the dust
idk i disagree... i test drove LTZ, Lariat and the Laramie for 2023 and i took home the Laramie sport 1500... and i was a ford guy, i still have my other ford... this is my first ram but i fell in love with the comfort, the trim package was way ahead of both ford and chevy and the Ram just wants to go
As a lifelong chevy man, i can tell you, do not buy a chevy with AFM/DFM. The collapsing lifters are shredding engines!
this test isn't equal , a 6.2 vs a 5.7 and a 5.0 ...
Additionally a 1500 or 150 truck's naturally aspirated V8 displacement shouldn't be less than 5.5L
Shouldn't have compared the 6.2 though as it requires premium fuel. They should have used the 5.3 instead.
Agreed, lets throw in my 6.7 litre V8 diesel F250, .... it would eat them and after all its only 500cc more lol