Im not really the type of guy who would buy an ftr but damn the ftr carbon is nuts its really a looker. They have one on their websjte that is blue with blue rims i think they shouldve powder voated the frame blue also as they did with the tan black and whites. Why didnt they?
Cruise control has saved me from more than one ticket, I had a CHP follow me for miles and I could stay spot on the speed limit without stressing or looking at the speedometer. Kinda keeps you in check when you daydream then look down and you're cruising 90 without trying.
Same here. In sport mode the throttle is very responsive (can be twitcher), which could get you over the speed limit very easy, and reason for the cop behind to pull you over.
Had a throttle lock on my old bike. Traveling down the slightest of slopes it increased speed to 11 over posted. The Wisconsin State Trooper pulled me over and acted like I just killed his dog. My new bike has electronic cruise
I've started paying real attention to Indian after they had first announced the flat tracker and it's quickly becoming my favourite brand. All they need to in the line up is a proper adventure bike to go against the Pan America and the FTR is must have for me... Unfortunately I'm not in the position to buy one... Yet! :)
I got a 2019 base model. With a bash plate and knobbies I would take it where the new Harley would go. But maybe that is not fair as have not ridden the other bike.
I am a new Indian Convert after 20 yrs on H-Ds. I picked up my 2022 White Smoke FTR S in July and it is one of the best purchase decision I have made. Absolutely love it! My next motorcycle purchase will be another Indian (2022 Road Master) in the spring. Hope you get the chance to purchase an FTR of your own---
Seat Heights of the Daily Rider list, in order: 33.1-33.9 - Multistrada V4 S 33.3 - Versys 650 LT *31.88-32.67 - Tiger 850 Sport 34.4 - Tenere 700 33.5-34.3 - Africa Twin 32.5 - Street Triple R 33.3 - Street Fighter V4 S **30.7 - FTR S (One reason many shorter/newer riders may consider this bike for a daily rider) etc.
30.7 on this bike feels higher than the tiger sport. I can flat foot the tiger, whereas I can flat 1 foot and the other is ball of foot on this one . This is due to the shape of the seat. This bike is bloody aggressive and encourages you to wheelie etc. Not a beginner bike by any means! I chose the Sportster S instead because it doesn't give you that devil on your shoulders whispering: c'on, is this all you've got? Lol. Plus that riding position is very uncomfortable for me even compared to my previous z1000sx
@@peacefulwarrior4078 Feel free to review last year's King of the Baggers race, but Harley lost. Feel free to buy H-D I'm not telling you how to spend your money after all, but the fact is there are better bikes, and Indian is among that list.
I bought one right after I rode tested it, just a super fun bike to ride and in a class of its own, well I really should tell the truth, my wife bought it for me she’s a keeper her and the bike
Zack, I have a request. Your daily rider reviews are great and immediately watch each them when posted. If revzilla allows, could you start sprinkling in some older bikes again? The RZ350 was probably my favorite daily rider and really enjoyed seeing you review your old Duke 950 and Dave. I can find tons of new bike reviews but how about a first gen CBR900RR, or an RC51, first gen R1, Ducati 916, Kawasaki H1, 70's CB750, Suzuki Turbo XN85...so many that would be cool since there are no reviews for any in this medium. Maybe a new segment Retro Daily Rider. Been really enjoying your content!
@@michaelhayward7572 it’s not supposed to, it was a more sport and performance oriented bike made to compete with bikes like the monsters, dukes, hyper nakeds etc. forward controls make no sense on a bike like that
I rode the previous big wheel model. I really liked that engine. The torque is fantastic. As Zack said the motor is refined and a bit quieter than it should be. That is true. Even with the Akra on, it's very quiet. With baffle out I think it'll be perfect. With the 17' wheels it gained a lot of agility and access to a wide range of sporty tires.
@3:07 the absolute first move is a U-turn from a stop. I hope the guys who just walked off the MSF class with a fist full of dollars are watching this :-)
Because it’s Indian you say it’s progressive and market aware? 🤡 Sorry to break it to you bud, Harley released the FXDR with the soft tail line up. It’s the same bike and guess what? Market didn’t want it 🤡 sssssssssssimp
@@cozzy6547 Sorry to burst your Harley bubble but the FTR IS far more market aware & progressive than the FXDR & actually quite different because it's attempting to emulate the very popular European nakeds with it's ergonomics & equipment etc while still retaining a unique American identity. Harley did a Harley version of a super naked with the FXDR but it was way off & didn't fit the US or European markets well, hence why it wasn't popular I would guess. It's heavier, less powerful, more expensive & has inferior components to the FTR so I'm not saying because it's an Indian, I'm saying because it's obvious.
@@ragerider6283 I own an FXDR and this comparison feels off. It is not a naked at all, was meant to be a Muscle Cruiser like the ol Night Rods were, it fits the niche fine. The New Sportster S is more of Harley's "Naked" and I say that with Air Quotes since that bike still has a plethora of issues. Main bonus, liquid cooled fantastic Revolution Twin...paired to an otherwise lackluster bike for the price combined with lack of market self awareness of who will be buying it. The Sportster S Needs more rear travel and height, needs closer front forks, needs thinner front tire, needs dual disc front..then it'll actually be a great bike in it's class and for the money. Missing out on one thing is fine, but 4 major things? Harley definitely still dropped the ball. If I didn't buy a Night Rod or my FXDR used, I don't think I'd really ever look at Harleys for the money. I've owned and ridden things from Honda Supercubs, to Royal Enfields, and Ninja ZX10Rs, but no other bike has me questioning the money I just spent other than Harleys. The Night Rod was a great bike, Porsche sure did a good job, like Hell I'm patting HD on the back for that one. The FXDR isn't a bad bike, but to say it's a worthy successor would be doing it too much justice...I've got mine to 160mph and yes it accelerates to 60 under 3 seconds, but then she runs out legs around 100 and falls flat on her face going north of 130mph. For $15K used? I love the FXDR. If I bought it new? Yeahhhhh rightttttttttttttttt. So I can see why Harley didn't move many of these off the New Dealership floors...
I own this exact model FTR and it’s a cool bike. However, it does have its quirks. First is the fueling, it takes a while to fill up the tank due to a poor routed fuel neck. At lower speeds and gears it does jerk and surge which is my biggest gripe. It’s almost like it’s telling you, “I want to go fast and nothing more”. So city driving can get annoying. A PV3 tuner still has not smoothed it out. Next gripe, after about 30 mins of riding it gets HOT. The gas gauge is not very accurate. With a full tank it’ll say you have 143 miles. After a few miles it goes down to 101 miles, then a few more miles it’s at 90 miles. I ride almost every day, but I still have to fill up at least once a week. And that’s only going to work, which is only 10 miles away, one way. Overall, it’s a unique bike which is why I’ve kept it. I can stare at it all day. To me it’s a work of art but not a great driver.
The moment he mentioned the mirrors I looked at the one Zach gestured to with his left hand. I noticed the palm trees in the mirror and that just looked so vintage and picture perfect with the circular frame. The timing was great and that looked so cool.
Nice to see that the top 5 bikes on the leaderboard are versatile machines, and not one-trick ponies, i.e. crotch-rockets or cruisers. Those types of bikes have their place, of course, but modern ADV's pack so much into their concept that to me, they're the bikes to beat. And to you at Revzilla as well, it seems!
All street bikes should have electronic cruise control and gas gauges. It's about time that cruise control is a standard option just like most cars. My 1982 Ford LTD even had cruise.
These motorcycle companies assume everyone just rides bikes to Starbucks. Mt09 is perfect except small gas tank, yamaha didn't learn and put small tank on tenere 700 also
That's why i lean towards the vulcans. good midsize cruiser with 5.3 gallon tank. i get over 200 miles a tank with my 2019 classic. i keep thinkgin about turning it in doe something with more power but then when I see the tank sizes on all of these, i change my mind
I'd be really interested in a back-to-back of FTR vs Speed Triple. I feel like they're aimed at different niches, but realistically fit the same rider.
I agree and own an 09 Speed Triple. I’m interested in the FTR but I don’t think I’d go for one. My bike doesn’t make that much less torque and it makes more horsepower.
Aussie guy here. Bought the 21 Carbon. You gave a really fair review and covered everything. The clutch isn't an issue. The mirrors were changed straight away lol. First bike I've had with cruise control and love it. Switch gear is great, compared to Speed Triple R (1 hell of a bike but fidly switches).
Looked at one at the Indian dealer in Grand Junction Colorado yesterday. I was blown away by... everything actually. Design, fit and finish, the whole package was awesome, and way ahead of HD in every respect.
Man this bike seems cool. But ide like to see Indian do two things. Make a 750 little brother for it. And make a sport bike platform with them. Maybe some neo-retro style fairings. Kind of similar to the z900rs
Indian really missed an obvious opportunity to make a light weight flat tracker style bike closer to the race bike : 750cc engine 180kg (400lbs) weight minimalist styling especially get rid of the fugly mufflers affordable price Instead they built another overpriced , overweight fussy looking boring cruiser
Taller 6th gear for highway droning and a 4.5 or 5.0 gallon tank to go places w/o feeling like you're riding a LiveWire. To the C.Control doubting Brigade: It's a blessing in disguise when you're riding in areas you're not familiar with. You can concentrate more on riding instead of looking at the speedo too often.
I have the Rally version with rear rack and side bag rack. It's very versatile and cuts a line between a true ADV and a Sport Bike. It's a unique creature. Not sure I'd like the chopped ride height of the new version.
I test rode the FTR 1200 Carbon last week from the demo truck. Very nice bike...it had cruise control AND it wheelies with ease, what more could I ask for?
Harley makes some real nice bikes. I’ve got two that Indian doesn’t have a comparable bike for. I’m thinking about buying an FTR S. I don’t think it has to be an either or deal.
Yeah I had a 2019 FTR championship Edition and the only thing I didnt like was the wheels and tires, they would wobble like a SOB on the freeway and would scare the crap out of me. Well I bite the bullet and am now waiting for my new Carbon R to be delivered next week. Cant wait to ride it and feel the difference. Thanks for the video!
I use mine (2019) as a commuter and love it. The only thing I don't like is that it makes you want to go fast. I have never been a speed demon but you'll hit a 100 every time you pass a semi...
You hit the nail on the head about quick shifters. There’s nothing in Harley or Indian’s line up that would suit a quick shifter, in either direction… even the models with names like “Racer” and “Sport”. Those bikes have power trains designed for slow(er), deliberate shifts.
Being an XSR owner, the new FTR is all of the things that I like/ have upgraded my ride to do. You really can't go wrong with that setup. I do wish that the horsepower and torque was a little bit more spicy though. For something that weighs 530 pounds with gas in it that means that your 0 to 60 time is going to be in the mid 3 seconds, that is slower than a thruxton R in 2016, and the 2020 and before MT-09/XSR//Tracer. Excited to see where they go with this, but think that the UJMs and KTM are still owning the intermediate/advanced naked category as far as performance goes.
I really REALLY love my 2019 FTR S. I actually like the weird big wheels and oddball tires (though I’ll probably put Dunlop Trailmax MIssions on it when the time comes). I absolutely love the overall look, and you definitely won’t see yourself coming and going, that’s for damn sure. I’ve literally never seen another FTR while out and about in my midsize town. Re the design, it definitely is just its own thing: power cruiser, stretched naked, heavy scrambler - who can say? Thinking about putting slightly higher bars on mine and making it a bit more like the newer Rally models. I also toy with putting a different silencer on (S&S probably) for just a bit more sound, but it would look worse. Honestly I think the stock pipes and silencers look amazing. They fit the bike so well. I’m not sure why people seem to hate them, aside from they sound a little tame (this coming from a guy who is not a fan of really agressive exhaust sound), but looks-wise they match the bike, IMO. Range is definitely poor. It’s basically a fill-up per ride, or every other at best. Pre-2022 models do broil your thighs, summer or winter, so cylinder deactivation would be nice. Re switchgear, it’s generally very good, but I find that with thicker winter gloves I’m constantly accidentally flashing the high beams when manipulating the controls. I’ve toyed with clipping off a bit of the end of that trigger switch. Re shifting, I actually don’t miss a quick shifter (probably because my quick shifter bike is a BMW GSA, so not a smooth thing at all). My 2019 FTR upshifts like butter with just a bit of preload on the shifter lever. Barely have to disengage the clutch. Also manually blips down REALLY nicely (maybe due to slipper clutch and flywheel (?)).
Along the lines of the cafeish flat tracker classic stuff. I would love to see you get out on the z900rs cafe. Everything I see says it’s fantastic but it doesn’t really get much of a spotlight. I want an honest review and to see how it compares against other bikes not Necessarily in the same class.
When I test rode the bike, it felt like a hooligan bike... maybe due to the fine clutch zone and torque available. It was a fun bike and I enjoyed the ride. Hopefully they increase the fuel tank size because I felt that was the biggest limiting factor for me on why I wouldn't buy the bike. Other than that it is a great contender
Fuel tank size is a contentious point that makes me hesitate on many motorcycles I would otherwise purchase. I need at LEAST 4 gallons minimum for making a consideration as a primary bike.
Restricted licenses on motorcycles are often based on power to weight. For light MC here (Swe) where I live its 11kw or roughly 15 hp, max 125 cc. Then I think we got mid, where you can have any bike but it will have to be restricted. About 40 or so hp, with an asterix on power to weight ratio limit as well. So you cant get a super light bike with 40 hp. Then at 24 you can have anything. If you've had a light or mid tier license for 2 years, you can get a heavy (unrestricted bike) at the age of 20.
As a HD XR1200 owner, I have been drooling over that FTR1200 since launch, I just dont have the money right now to make the move, that thing is a Dream for me as a AFT fan, seeing the Wrecking Crew 750s dominate the last 3 seasons, and Jared Mees is a BAMF, HD F-ed up bad by not making a road going XR750, or the Bronx.
It seems like indian made a bike to suit any rider. I'm sure the aftermarket will accommodate the noise makers at the back. Big V-Twins are fun to ride in a smaller chassis. Not sure if the looks will grow on me but it appears to be a great bike.
it's the same class as the original Monster. it is also what on late 70 we would call a Universal Japanese Motorcycle (UJM) or in this case Universal American Motorcycle (UAM)
I'd take that Corvette at 12:05 just after "Corvette Guy's" house. That said if Harley does not release or announce the release of the Bronx soon, I may legit just trade the old Fatboy in for a FTR
Oddly, I get a kick out of trying to count the Prius cars on Zack's route. There's a couple that come up each time in about the same place. Seems like Prius country.
I had considered a prior year FTR, hoping it would make a great all-arounder, but it was way too tall for my short legs. I wasn't crazy about the tires either since I'm a road-only rider. Perhaps Indian finally realized people weren't buying these to use as adventure bikes, and turned the bike into more of a naked sportbike, and it looks like the results are very good. Had I not already bought something else last fall, I might seriously consider one of these. Maybe someday...
Hi Zach, I agree with you 100% that this bike needs a gearing change. When I rode one I had the same feeling at freeway speeds. This was not relaxing to say the least. I followed up my test ride with a Roadmaster 111 which was more relaxing at freeway speeds . It all depends upon what a rider is looking for, right?
European A2 license restrictions say that the bike can't make more than 94hp (70kw) when unrestricted, so this bike would not be A2 legal even when restricted...unless they make a permanently power reduced version. BMW does this with the new F900R/XR which makes 100hp "naturally" and would otherwise disqualify an A2 version - they make a special A2 version which is permanently limited to 94hp and then of course 47hp when restricted. In that case of the BMW it's not as large of a power reduction, but paying full price for a "big bike" that is permanently reduced in power is just about as stupid as you can get in my opinion.
The previous model was gorgeous with some real dirt/adventure credibility. This one not so much. Previous gen must not have sold very well to change it so drastically
You can still buy the 1st version alongside the new one. I believe most of people that buy this are "posh" and will never use it off road. So they gave you a choice.
I have a 2019 FTR. I understand why some would ask “why?” but as a fidgety person, I appreciate it quite a bit if I’m just cruising down a straight road somewhere.
Unpopular opinion - the first version of this bike was better. The last version the only real complaints were that the fueling, especially when cold, was awful and the tires while stylish were junk. I feel like the older style bike just made a great road machine. Comfortable, stable, looked awesome, and totally fit as its own neo retro niche. This update made it go from filling that niche perfectly to making it more of a heavy compromised naked bike. I think rather than spend all that time adjusting the geometry to so that the 17's could work they should instead focused on sourcing slightly more road focused tires for the older style.
i wanted the S ... but it won't release in europe before september or something. +some addons made it more expensive than the Carbon. so i pre-ordered the Carbon. i hope it comes in the next few weeks. will most likely get the First one in Belgium !!
Oz and UK and Euro restricted 47bhp models by all the manufacturers can be retro upgraded to full power spec by the official dealers for a minimal set price service charge. Pretty good idea imo, pass your test, get your new license, keep the same bike.
The way you're describing the clutch and cold engine sounds just like my multistrada 950. Do you think going to a hydraulic clutch would help with the feel?
I enjoy these types of reviews that you can like before watching. This bike looks awesome, give it long travel, comfortable suspensions and a larger tank and it's a no brainer.
I’ve wondered about this bike. The local shop has had a 2019 ftr1200 for 2 years with out selling it they are asking 11500 it has 3700 miles. But like I’ve said same bike sitting for two years. I like the style and the power levels and I love big vtwin sport bikes but since it has sat there so long I just really didn’t know about it
Excellent review/evaluation. Aren't the shocks adjustable? You didn't mention it. I really like the bike, but the first upgrade I would make is install the Zard full exhaust with the "snake" pipes, the system with all the welds showing, a work of art. I saw images of it on the Zard website and man, it is absolutely awesome looking. I don't know how much more power it produces over the Ackro system, but Zard claims a healthy increase. Again, great riding review and you ticked all the boxes that I need to know about this machine, eh, except for the above shock question.
What are the advantages for going with smaller wheels and shortening the suspension? Shorter riders now interested in purchasing the bike? So now me being 6'4" I need to hunt for previous models...
It competes with bmw r1250r,large twin cylinder engine,supernaked like looks, equipped with ultimate cruiser's electronics like cruise control, etc. I think both the bike are also practical daily commuters with superbike abilities as compared to outright cruisers, scrambers or supernaked.
If I buy and FTR-1200 I will go for the Ralley with the 19" front tire.. I want that Gravel road and fire road capability .. they are a bit heavy @ 500# or more
Hey Zach, great review! Tunnel rev please!! 515lbs gtfo!! The mirrors are smooth from all the lead ballast they put somewhere... Rev for corvette guy 😝 it’s hard to bark through cats. Maybe some SC Project cans would bring out the bark wo breaking’ the law. It can legit compete with 120 hersprs?!? I Donut thinks so... loving the touch screen... it didn’t look like they updated the graphic of the bike... weak sauce. Sounds like you summed it up pretty well: not a performance naked bike. The dirt and the jump!!🤪 They’re picketing you not going full send!! FTR single is a neat trick! Thank you Zach!!
I am the Corvette guy, and I do appreciate the revs.
Zivel LOL!
Hahahaha my thoughts as I was watching "how funny would it be if Corvette guy answered about the revs in the comms?"
Im not really the type of guy who would buy an ftr but damn the ftr carbon is nuts its really a looker. They have one on their websjte that is blue with blue rims i think they shouldve powder voated the frame blue also as they did with the tan black and whites. Why didnt they?
Cruise control has saved me from more than one ticket, I had a CHP follow me for miles and I could stay spot on the speed limit without stressing or looking at the speedometer. Kinda keeps you in check when you daydream then look down and you're cruising 90 without trying.
Same here. In sport mode the throttle is very responsive (can be twitcher), which could get you over the speed limit very easy, and reason for the cop behind to pull you over.
I've never even heard of CHP pulling someone over for doing 67 in a 65.
@@aluisious I sure have
Had a throttle lock on my old bike. Traveling down the slightest of slopes it increased speed to 11 over posted. The Wisconsin State Trooper pulled me over and acted like I just killed his dog. My new bike has electronic cruise
Dude pay attention when you ride.
the fact that you can get an American V-Twin in what looks like a MT-09 makes me giggle. i love this thing
'Trundle' and 'grundle' in one video. And they said it couldn't be done. :)
Three trundles and a grundle even, he's a mad lad.
OkieDokie, Everybody!
I've started paying real attention to Indian after they had first announced the flat tracker and it's quickly becoming my favourite brand. All they need to in the line up is a proper adventure bike to go against the Pan America and the FTR is must have for me... Unfortunately I'm not in the position to buy one... Yet! :)
I got a 2019 base model. With a bash plate and knobbies I would take it where the new Harley would go. But maybe that is not fair as have not ridden the other bike.
And do get one, when you can!
I am a new Indian Convert after 20 yrs on H-Ds. I picked up my 2022 White Smoke FTR S in July and it is one of the best purchase decision I have made. Absolutely love it! My next motorcycle purchase will be another Indian (2022 Road Master) in the spring. Hope you get the chance to purchase an FTR of your own---
@@dysfunctionalveteranese4905 I bought an FTR S but I’m keeping my Harley-Davidsons.
@@Steverinomeister Cool...I still own my three Harleys and my Buell ;)
Seat Heights of the Daily Rider list, in order:
33.1-33.9 - Multistrada V4 S
33.3 - Versys 650 LT
*31.88-32.67 - Tiger 850 Sport
34.4 - Tenere 700
33.5-34.3 - Africa Twin
32.5 - Street Triple R
33.3 - Street Fighter V4 S
**30.7 - FTR S (One reason many shorter/newer riders may consider this bike for a daily rider)
etc.
Shorter riders sure, but definitely not beginners
30.7 on this bike feels higher than the tiger sport. I can flat foot the tiger, whereas I can flat 1 foot and the other is ball of foot on this one . This is due to the shape of the seat. This bike is bloody aggressive and encourages you to wheelie etc. Not a beginner bike by any means! I chose the Sportster S instead because it doesn't give you that devil on your shoulders whispering: c'on, is this all you've got? Lol.
Plus that riding position is very uncomfortable for me even compared to my previous z1000sx
Harley Davidson : Lets spend all our cash on designing a Electric Bike. Indian Motorcycles: Lets spend our cash on building a better Harley Davidson.
Well.. there is no future in Harleys... but Electrik Bikes are the future :P
You're very easily to be MANIPULATED and FOOLED by INDIAN/ POLARIS
AINT BUYING INTO IT OR BUYING AN INDIAN MC
@@peacefulwarrior4078 Feel free to review last year's King of the Baggers race, but Harley lost. Feel free to buy H-D I'm not telling you how to spend your money after all, but the fact is there are better bikes, and Indian is among that list.
@@peacefulwarrior4078 Yes, we're easily manipulated by superior bikes at lower prices.
@@RoninXiC yeah but the live wire is way too expensive for the typical electric bike rider and plus it has the stigma of harley
I bought one right after I rode tested it, just a super fun bike to ride and in a class of its own, well I really should tell the truth, my wife bought it for me she’s a keeper her and the bike
As far as that exhaust - blame emission standards. Once uncorked though that engine makes some of the best sounds ive ever heard.
Are you going to ride rebel 1100? Everyone seems to talk about it.
Cruise control is pretty much a must have for me at this point. Hard to see myself buying another bike without it.
Zack, I have a request. Your daily rider reviews are great and immediately watch each them when posted. If revzilla allows, could you start sprinkling in some older bikes again? The RZ350 was probably my favorite daily rider and really enjoyed seeing you review your old Duke 950 and Dave. I can find tons of new bike reviews but how about a first gen CBR900RR, or an RC51, first gen R1, Ducati 916, Kawasaki H1, 70's CB750, Suzuki Turbo XN85...so many that would be cool since there are no reviews for any in this medium. Maybe a new segment Retro Daily Rider. Been really enjoying your content!
Man I hope Harley brings back the Bronx. Was the only Harley I’ve ever considered buying. Maybe this will inspire them to bring the project back
Find yourself a XR1200 and modify it, you won’t be disappointed and everyone will be breaking there necks at your bike, trust me haha
The new Custom looks pretty cool.
Didnt that have fwd controls in the promo pics though?
Which immediately is a big turn off...
@@thevtadventure1062 not really a fan, I want something sportier
@@michaelhayward7572 it’s not supposed to, it was a more sport and performance oriented bike made to compete with bikes like the monsters, dukes, hyper nakeds etc. forward controls make no sense on a bike like that
I love the Indian FTR, they've done a great job designing and improving it over time. Not my style of bike but I can appreciate it for what it is!
I rode the previous big wheel model.
I really liked that engine.
The torque is fantastic.
As Zack said the motor is refined and a bit quieter than it should be. That is true.
Even with the Akra on, it's very quiet.
With baffle out I think it'll be perfect.
With the 17' wheels it gained a lot of agility and access to a wide range of sporty tires.
Indian has had a really impressive lineup for a few years now.
@3:07 the absolute first move is a U-turn from a stop. I hope the guys who just walked off the MSF class with a fist full of dollars are watching this :-)
I'd watch/listen to Zach do or review just about anything. 🤘
Nice review & I like this bike, seems pretty cool. Indian also appear to be much more progressive & market aware than Harley.
Indian over harley all day long for US bikes.
It's not harley bikes that's the problem, it's the people that ride em. Gross.
Because it’s Indian you say it’s progressive and market aware? 🤡
Sorry to break it to you bud, Harley released the FXDR with the soft tail line up. It’s the same bike and guess what? Market didn’t want it 🤡 sssssssssssimp
@@cozzy6547 Sorry to burst your Harley bubble but the FTR IS far more market aware & progressive than the FXDR & actually quite different because it's attempting to emulate the very popular European nakeds with it's ergonomics & equipment etc while still retaining a unique American identity. Harley did a Harley version of a super naked with the FXDR but it was way off & didn't fit the US or European markets well, hence why it wasn't popular I would guess. It's heavier, less powerful, more expensive & has inferior components to the FTR so I'm not saying because it's an Indian, I'm saying because it's obvious.
@@ragerider6283 I own an FXDR and this comparison feels off. It is not a naked at all, was meant to be a Muscle Cruiser like the ol Night Rods were, it fits the niche fine. The New Sportster S is more of Harley's "Naked" and I say that with Air Quotes since that bike still has a plethora of issues. Main bonus, liquid cooled fantastic Revolution Twin...paired to an otherwise lackluster bike for the price combined with lack of market self awareness of who will be buying it. The Sportster S Needs more rear travel and height, needs closer front forks, needs thinner front tire, needs dual disc front..then it'll actually be a great bike in it's class and for the money. Missing out on one thing is fine, but 4 major things? Harley definitely still dropped the ball. If I didn't buy a Night Rod or my FXDR used, I don't think I'd really ever look at Harleys for the money. I've owned and ridden things from Honda Supercubs, to Royal Enfields, and Ninja ZX10Rs, but no other bike has me questioning the money I just spent other than Harleys. The Night Rod was a great bike, Porsche sure did a good job, like Hell I'm patting HD on the back for that one. The FXDR isn't a bad bike, but to say it's a worthy successor would be doing it too much justice...I've got mine to 160mph and yes it accelerates to 60 under 3 seconds, but then she runs out legs around 100 and falls flat on her face going north of 130mph. For $15K used? I love the FXDR. If I bought it new? Yeahhhhh rightttttttttttttttt. So I can see why Harley didn't move many of these off the New Dealership floors...
I own this exact model FTR and it’s a cool bike. However, it does have its quirks. First is the fueling, it takes a while to fill up the tank due to a poor routed fuel neck. At lower speeds and gears it does jerk and surge which is my biggest gripe. It’s almost like it’s telling you, “I want to go fast and nothing more”. So city driving can get annoying. A PV3 tuner still has not smoothed it out. Next gripe, after about 30 mins of riding it gets HOT. The gas gauge is not very accurate. With a full tank it’ll say you have 143 miles. After a few miles it goes down to 101 miles, then a few more miles it’s at 90 miles. I ride almost every day, but I still have to fill up at least once a week. And that’s only going to work, which is only 10 miles away, one way. Overall, it’s a unique bike which is why I’ve kept it. I can stare at it all day. To me it’s a work of art but not a great driver.
The moment he mentioned the mirrors I looked at the one Zach gestured to with his left hand. I noticed the palm trees in the mirror and that just looked so vintage and picture perfect with the circular frame. The timing was great and that looked so cool.
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Nice to see that the top 5 bikes on the leaderboard are versatile machines, and not one-trick ponies, i.e. crotch-rockets or cruisers. Those types of bikes have their place, of course, but modern ADV's pack so much into their concept that to me, they're the bikes to beat. And to you at Revzilla as well, it seems!
I rode a Yamaha tenere (sp?) with a group of sport bikes. It’s handling was so squishy that it really turned me off on do everything bikes.
All street bikes should have electronic cruise control and gas gauges. It's about time that cruise control is a standard option just like most cars. My 1982 Ford LTD even had cruise.
The biggest deterrent for me is the tank size/mpg. Otherwise I love everything else about the bike
These motorcycle companies assume everyone just rides bikes to Starbucks. Mt09 is perfect except small gas tank, yamaha didn't learn and put small tank on tenere 700 also
That's why i lean towards the vulcans. good midsize cruiser with 5.3 gallon tank. i get over 200 miles a tank with my 2019 classic. i keep thinkgin about turning it in doe something with more power but then when I see the tank sizes on all of these, i change my mind
@@Rethuglican had Vulcan 1600 and mean streak. Awesome bikes . They do not need valve adjustment
Yeah I get less than 100 miles, but they were fun miles.
I'd be really interested in a back-to-back of FTR vs Speed Triple. I feel like they're aimed at different niches, but realistically fit the same rider.
I agree and own an 09 Speed Triple. I’m interested in the FTR but I don’t think I’d go for one. My bike doesn’t make that much less torque and it makes more horsepower.
Aussie guy here. Bought the 21 Carbon. You gave a really fair review and covered everything. The clutch isn't an issue. The mirrors were changed straight away lol. First bike I've had with cruise control and love it. Switch gear is great, compared to Speed Triple R (1 hell of a bike but fidly switches).
Looked at one at the Indian dealer in Grand Junction Colorado yesterday. I was blown away by... everything actually. Design, fit and finish, the whole package was awesome, and way ahead of HD in every respect.
Dig the 17" wheels but still doesn't carry any fuel that gets you past the city limits, I prefer to ride where I'm going rather than push it there.
Only thing stopping me from getting this bike. Low fuel light on at
When Zack switched to the inside of the HQ, he gave me a heart attack! I Though he was wearing a tie!
Zack would never.
The dirt jump never fails to make me laugh.
It’s a bike that begs you to get silly but a price tag that begs you to keep it calm
Man this bike seems cool. But ide like to see Indian do two things. Make a 750 little brother for it. And make a sport bike platform with them. Maybe some neo-retro style fairings. Kind of similar to the z900rs
I rode the older FTR before buying the Z900RS, they look the same, but ride totally different. I thought it would be a tougher decision for me.
@@johnschmidt1675 Which one did you like more? I’ve ridden both and liked the FTR a lot more.
@@Cobalttoyota I chose the Z. It suited my needs and power delivery better. I couldn't get along with the FTR engine.
Indian really missed an obvious opportunity to make a light weight flat tracker style bike closer to the race bike :
750cc engine
180kg (400lbs) weight
minimalist styling especially get rid of the fugly mufflers
affordable price
Instead they built another overpriced , overweight fussy looking boring cruiser
@@noelchignell1048 fine you can't afford it, but saying it's a boring or fussy looking bike... oh dear.
"Going 60 mph at 3500 rpm"
Me on a -1 +2 sprocket: wow thats some good tall gearing!
"Would have loved to see some taller gearing"
Me: oh, ok.
Haha right!
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I was told that Indian was not that great at first but completely redid the production process and now are one of the best
Taller 6th gear for highway droning and a 4.5 or 5.0 gallon tank to go places w/o feeling like you're riding a LiveWire.
To the C.Control doubting Brigade: It's a blessing in disguise when you're riding in areas you're not familiar with. You can concentrate more on riding instead of looking at the speedo too often.
I have the Rally version with rear rack and side bag rack. It's very versatile and cuts a line between a true ADV and a Sport Bike. It's a unique creature. Not sure I'd like the chopped ride height of the new version.
When I saw the FTR at the motorcycle Show I said it was one of the best looking bikes ever.
I test rode the FTR 1200 Carbon last week from the demo truck. Very nice bike...it had cruise control AND it wheelies with ease, what more could I ask for?
Yes, definitely. I miss my old Buell…
I recently bought a base model 2022 FTR and I love it. It’s super fun and looks great. One of my favs for sure 👍!
I very much prefer a quiet bike. Or car. Or anything. I've honestly thought about trying to graft on a civic muffler a few times.
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I saw one of these on the highway and they are no joke... Absolutely stunning machines. I hope they make a 400-600cc model so its not as expensive.
why?! get a KTM
Throw an S&S with a Cat bypass and a flash makes a huge difference
this is pretty much the only American bike that i would consider
Same, unless Harley brings back the Bronx. Then it will be two for me
Harley makes some real nice bikes. I’ve got two that Indian doesn’t have a comparable bike for. I’m thinking about buying an FTR S. I don’t think it has to be an either or deal.
Yeah I had a 2019 FTR championship Edition and the only thing I didnt like was the wheels and tires, they would wobble like a SOB on the freeway and would scare the crap out of me. Well I bite the bullet and am now waiting for my new Carbon R to be delivered next week. Cant wait to ride it and feel the difference. Thanks for the video!
I use mine (2019) as a commuter and love it. The only thing I don't like is that it makes you want to go fast. I have never been a speed demon but you'll hit a 100 every time you pass a semi...
You hit the nail on the head about quick shifters. There’s nothing in Harley or Indian’s line up that would suit a quick shifter, in either direction… even the models with names like “Racer” and “Sport”. Those bikes have power trains designed for slow(er), deliberate shifts.
Being an XSR owner, the new FTR is all of the things that I like/ have upgraded my ride to do. You really can't go wrong with that setup. I do wish that the horsepower and torque was a little bit more spicy though. For something that weighs 530 pounds with gas in it that means that your 0 to 60 time is going to be in the mid 3 seconds, that is slower than a thruxton R in 2016, and the 2020 and before MT-09/XSR//Tracer.
Excited to see where they go with this, but think that the UJMs and KTM are still owning the intermediate/advanced naked category as far as performance goes.
Lower bar and different mirrors would make it look even better. Pretty slick bike
The rally with bigger wheels looks better
I think this FTR would make an excellent platform for a ADV. Just needs aftermarket tank and do dads to convert it.
I really REALLY love my 2019 FTR S. I actually like the weird big wheels and oddball tires (though I’ll probably put Dunlop Trailmax MIssions on it when the time comes). I absolutely love the overall look, and you definitely won’t see yourself coming and going, that’s for damn sure. I’ve literally never seen another FTR while out and about in my midsize town. Re the design, it definitely is just its own thing: power cruiser, stretched naked, heavy scrambler - who can say?
Thinking about putting slightly higher bars on mine and making it a bit more like the newer Rally models. I also toy with putting a different silencer on (S&S probably) for just a bit more sound, but it would look worse. Honestly I think the stock pipes and silencers look amazing. They fit the bike so well. I’m not sure why people seem to hate them, aside from they sound a little tame (this coming from a guy who is not a fan of really agressive exhaust sound), but looks-wise they match the bike, IMO.
Range is definitely poor. It’s basically a fill-up per ride, or every other at best. Pre-2022 models do broil your thighs, summer or winter, so cylinder deactivation would be nice. Re switchgear, it’s generally very good, but I find that with thicker winter gloves I’m constantly accidentally flashing the high beams when manipulating the controls. I’ve toyed with clipping off a bit of the end of that trigger switch.
Re shifting, I actually don’t miss a quick shifter (probably because my quick shifter bike is a BMW GSA, so not a smooth thing at all). My 2019 FTR upshifts like butter with just a bit of preload on the shifter lever. Barely have to disengage the clutch. Also manually blips down REALLY nicely (maybe due to slipper clutch and flywheel (?)).
Couldn't agree more on the sound. My 04 Multistrata had a similar exhaust until I slipped on a Termi'. Went from yawn to grin.
Along the lines of the cafeish flat tracker classic stuff. I would love to see you get out on the z900rs cafe. Everything I see says it’s fantastic but it doesn’t really get much of a spotlight. I want an honest review and to see how it compares against other bikes not Necessarily in the same class.
When I test rode the bike, it felt like a hooligan bike... maybe due to the fine clutch zone and torque available. It was a fun bike and I enjoyed the ride. Hopefully they increase the fuel tank size because I felt that was the biggest limiting factor for me on why I wouldn't buy the bike. Other than that it is a great contender
Fuel tank size is a contentious point that makes me hesitate on many motorcycles I would otherwise purchase. I need at LEAST 4 gallons minimum for making a consideration as a primary bike.
Restricted licenses on motorcycles are often based on power to weight. For light MC here (Swe) where I live its 11kw or roughly 15 hp, max 125 cc. Then I think we got mid, where you can have any bike but it will have to be restricted. About 40 or so hp, with an asterix on power to weight ratio limit as well. So you cant get a super light bike with 40 hp. Then at 24 you can have anything. If you've had a light or mid tier license for 2 years, you can get a heavy (unrestricted bike) at the age of 20.
As a HD XR1200 owner, I have been drooling over that FTR1200 since launch, I just dont have the money right now to make the move, that thing is a Dream for me as a AFT fan, seeing the Wrecking Crew 750s dominate the last 3 seasons, and Jared Mees is a BAMF, HD F-ed up bad by not making a road going XR750, or the Bronx.
That was the most kick ass intro to date!
Always a solid, entertaining, informative review- thank you, Zack.
It seems like indian made a bike to suit any rider. I'm sure the aftermarket will accommodate the noise makers at the back. Big V-Twins are fun to ride in a smaller chassis. Not sure if the looks will grow on me but it appears to be a great bike.
I think a lot of us would love metric alongside imperial measurements! Love the channel ☺️
it's the same class as the original Monster. it is also what on late 70 we would call a Universal Japanese Motorcycle (UJM) or in this case Universal American Motorcycle (UAM)
Always practicing those footless stops.😁 I catch myself doing that all the time.
I'd take that Corvette at 12:05 just after "Corvette Guy's" house.
That said if Harley does not release or announce the release of the Bronx soon, I may legit just trade the old Fatboy in for a FTR
Fuel economy and emissions tests are set for slower than real world speeds. Hence not the gearing some would like.
Oddly, I get a kick out of trying to count the Prius cars on Zack's route. There's a couple that come up each time in about the same place.
Seems like Prius country.
Well it's SoCal :)
Well they sit in traffic half the time so why not? (Don't ask how I know this. :-)
High gas prices and a lot of traffic, stop and go is where hybrids do well. Seems a Prius makes sense if you don't ride a bike.
Please review the updated Moto Guzzi V7, been considering one and there's not many reviews out there
I had considered a prior year FTR, hoping it would make a great all-arounder, but it was way too tall for my short legs. I wasn't crazy about the tires either since I'm a road-only rider. Perhaps Indian finally realized people weren't buying these to use as adventure bikes, and turned the bike into more of a naked sportbike, and it looks like the results are very good. Had I not already bought something else last fall, I might seriously consider one of these. Maybe someday...
Mine should be here in a couple daysssssss. R carbon, let's goooooo.
Ohlins is pretty stiff too, however, fully adjustable.
Hi Zach, I agree with you 100% that this bike needs a gearing change. When I rode one I had the same feeling at freeway speeds. This was not relaxing to say the least. I followed up my test ride with a Roadmaster 111 which was more relaxing at freeway speeds . It all depends upon what a rider is looking for, right?
Great review! Favorite part is minute 21:59. I feel seen! Thanks for helping me get into motorcycling! Keep up the great content!
8:05 shipping container from that ship that blocked the Suez Canal 🤣
Hey Zack, can you give us a shot of the whole leaderboard ? I’m getting lost on what bike was where in the comparison.
Wonder if it should get its own revzilla web page.
I wonder if this bike is one of the reasons why Harley cancelled/put on hold the Bronx.
It's a real looker and it sounds amazing. The problem is the inefficient engine combined with a pretty small tank capacity.
Compared to a Harley, most bang for the buck. Stability control with IMU standard just like cars. Great bike for the MSRP
European A2 license restrictions say that the bike can't make more than 94hp (70kw) when unrestricted, so this bike would not be A2 legal even when restricted...unless they make a permanently power reduced version. BMW does this with the new F900R/XR which makes 100hp "naturally" and would otherwise disqualify an A2 version - they make a special A2 version which is permanently limited to 94hp and then of course 47hp when restricted. In that case of the BMW it's not as large of a power reduction, but paying full price for a "big bike" that is permanently reduced in power is just about as stupid as you can get in my opinion.
The previous model was gorgeous with some real dirt/adventure credibility. This one not so much. Previous gen must not have sold very well to change it so drastically
You can still buy the 1st version alongside the new one. I believe most of people that buy this are "posh" and will never use it off road. So they gave you a choice.
@@mermerac Interesting, thats good to know glad they kept the old one as well.
People are whine asses and they didn’t like the seat height and lack of tire selection. The OG is the best FTR.
I get the question about Cruise Control, my 2021 zx10r has it as if it's comfortable enough to just ride around with cruise control
I have a 2019 FTR. I understand why some would ask “why?” but as a fidgety person, I appreciate it quite a bit if I’m just cruising down a straight road somewhere.
Unpopular opinion - the first version of this bike was better. The last version the only real complaints were that the fueling, especially when cold, was awful and the tires while stylish were junk. I feel like the older style bike just made a great road machine. Comfortable, stable, looked awesome, and totally fit as its own neo retro niche. This update made it go from filling that niche perfectly to making it more of a heavy compromised naked bike. I think rather than spend all that time adjusting the geometry to so that the 17's could work they should instead focused on sourcing slightly more road focused tires for the older style.
i wanted the S ... but it won't release in europe before september or something.
+some addons made it more expensive than the Carbon.
so i pre-ordered the Carbon.
i hope it comes in the next few weeks.
will most likely get the First one in Belgium !!
Oz and UK and Euro restricted 47bhp models by all the manufacturers can be retro upgraded to full power spec by the official dealers for a minimal set price service charge.
Pretty good idea imo, pass your test, get your new license, keep the same bike.
The way you're describing the clutch and cold engine sounds just like my multistrada 950. Do you think going to a hydraulic clutch would help with the feel?
Clutch like a light switch on or off........but it also looks like cable.? Or is it cable till under the tank and then it cuts hydraulic.?
I enjoy these types of reviews that you can like before watching.
This bike looks awesome, give it long travel, comfortable suspensions and a larger tank and it's a no brainer.
I'm glad they made this bike, it shows they want to stay around and make bikes other people might like that otherwise don't want a cruiser.
I just bought this very bike. Super thrilled with it. Agree completely with this review.
The most beautiful bike ever made. I said this before Ryan did, by the way ;)
I’ve wondered about this bike. The local shop has had a 2019 ftr1200 for 2 years with out selling it they are asking 11500 it has 3700 miles. But like I’ve said same bike sitting for two years. I like the style and the power levels and I love big vtwin sport bikes but since it has sat there so long I just really didn’t know about it
I like this engine with a Bassani low mount pipe.
Excellent review/evaluation. Aren't the shocks adjustable? You didn't mention it. I really like the bike, but the first upgrade I would make is install the Zard full exhaust with the "snake" pipes, the system with all the welds showing, a work of art. I saw images of it on the Zard website and man, it is absolutely awesome looking. I don't know how much more power it produces over the Ackro system, but Zard claims a healthy increase. Again, great riding review and you ticked all the boxes that I need to know about this machine, eh, except for the above shock question.
What are the advantages for going with smaller wheels and shortening the suspension? Shorter riders now interested in purchasing the bike? So now me being 6'4" I need to hunt for previous models...
Very informative review, can this be converted back to the previous longer suspension travel?
It competes with bmw r1250r,large twin cylinder engine,supernaked like looks, equipped with ultimate cruiser's electronics like cruise control, etc. I think both the bike are also practical daily commuters with superbike abilities as compared to outright cruisers, scrambers or supernaked.
If I buy and FTR-1200 I will go for the Ralley with the 19" front tire.. I want that Gravel road and fire road capability .. they are a bit heavy @ 500# or more
Hey Zach, great review! Tunnel rev please!!
515lbs gtfo!! The mirrors are smooth from all the lead ballast they put somewhere...
Rev for corvette guy 😝 it’s hard to bark through cats. Maybe some SC Project cans would bring out the bark wo breaking’ the law.
It can legit compete with 120 hersprs?!? I Donut thinks so...
loving the touch screen... it didn’t look like they updated the graphic of the bike... weak sauce.
Sounds like you summed it up pretty well: not a performance naked bike.
The dirt and the jump!!🤪
They’re picketing you not going full send!!
FTR single is a neat trick!
Thank you Zach!!
It’s pretty cool but I would still take my XR1200! 🤘🏼