I’m from Austin Texas and am going to get my first bike in January man ! If you wanted to do a video about a new rider or purchasing a used bike from Craigslist I’m all game ! I’d pay you just to go with me and check the bike honestly aha I don’t want to get screwed over !!
The fact that this video has over twice the amount of views as Yammie noobs newest video has in half the time tells you everything you need to know. Spite keep it up your doing amazing!
Every time I see a new video from him, I notice his subscriber # has gone up by like 2-5k. He's easier to listen to and less judgmental. Definitely quality content.
Was about to comment the same exact thing before I saw your comment lol. Yammie gets like 20k a vid now after days, spite has that many views on a video in just a few hours.
I work at Indian and nearly every FTR we see is a dedicated commuter! Maybe its the crazy South Dakotans, it's in our blood being the home of Sturgis Bike Rally, but the FTR is nearly the most smile ensuring bike you can ride, especially when you're sick of mundane trips to work. Might as well be smiling on your way! Also, the FTR1200 races in the Moto America "Super Hooligans" race, against the Dukes, Hypermotards and many high end hyper-naked machines. The FTR is either in the top 3, or takes 1st, 2nd AND 3rd. Incredibly potent machine when race prepped!
I've heard that refueling this bike is a bit of a PITA in that it takes too long to fill it up. Something having to do with the angle of the filler neck to the tank.
Hey Spite I just want to say a massive thank you for putting in putting metric measurements, it's actually a brilliant touch for some of us metric people! Yes I could just look up a conversion on my phone, however I really appreciate just that little touch of editing that another motorcycle channel never seemed to really care about. Keep up the great work man I love already seeing how well you're doing.
This is officially the best FTR review I have watched. You are the first person I have watched that covered any potential negatives compared to the positives. Despite (pun) the negatives, I still want one, maybe even more now after hearing that laugh during the acceleration.
It's such a fun bike. I test rode one at bike week this year and decided to buy one about halfway thru the ride lol. 6 months later, it still puts a huge grin on my face every time I twist the throttle. That point in this video where spite rips it and just starts laughing - that's every time I ride it. It's just a blast.
I've owned my FTR S for 3 months now as a daily commuter and I absolutely love it! You make great points on the drawbacks of the bike but they're negligent when you consider the unique character and insane fun you can have on it at any time. Great vid 🤘🏻
How do you think the FINISH of the carbon components will be holding-up? (I think that it LOOKS great, and unique, in the footage in this video, but I'm wondering if it would begin to fade, or to "ghost," like the pigment can end-up clouding, when you bend a colored sheet of Styrene Plastic.) Just curious, to hear your thoughts, on this finish-durability question.)
@@johnstanley7442 honestly I don't know and don't own the carbon model. I second Spite's recommendation to save yourself a couple thousand and just get the FTR S base model.
Great Job. Probably the best, most accurate, and honest review of the FTR I've seen. Coming from a long term FTR Carbon R owner, all of your points, positive and negative, are spot on. Couple of those point I will touch on though. The jerkiness of the throttle down low and 100% correctable with a Lloydz tune. The bike is completely different and even more of an animal after the tune. So much smoother too. The other would be the Ohlins comfort. I thought the same thing about the harshness as you did at first. I then spent half a day starting with the recommended Indian settings and then tailoring them to my weight. After probably 8-10 test rides and minor tweaking it's much more compliant and handles amazingly. It took a lot of dialing in though. Again awesome review man!!!
2022 FTR1200S White Smoke, $16000 0td. Daily commuter, I love, love mine!. I've always had real sportbikes, CBRs, ZXs, Gixers, both 600 and 1000s. I ride track and commute. This is the perfect commuter if you're coming from a pure sportbike world. Very comfortable riding position at 6'1". In my opinion very easy to use menu if you use touchscreen mode, the buttons are ridiculous! EXCEPT the cruise control button I LOVE IT!! Set it and off to work I go. The rush of power and exceptional handling are absolutely addicting. I ride So Cal mountains and can tell you it's fully capable of keeping up with the sportbike riders if you are. I'm 100% pleased with my purchase. Well done professional presentation even if agree to disagree.
You’ve been reviewing all the bikes I have interest in! You are nailing it! Would love to see a review of the new CB750 hornet if you can get yours hands on one!
I bought one when they first came out after I demo one 2019 and just love it ,I also have 13 bikes of all makes and sizes but I can’t stop riding this, I rode it to Arizona from Maryland 2 years ago had to stop so many times for gas but not complaining because the seat sucks and my ass was killing me but I did buy an air hawk bag and that helped a lot and I’m 66 years old so if people say you can’t do this or that this will do it all
I like those kind of bike commentary videos most. when u actually ride the bike you are talking about. Bring more of them, Spite! You are doing very well.
I rode one around the city and I thought it was a great commuter. I love the commanding position, feels like you are sitting on top of a rocket, with a good view over the traffic on the road. And, I had it on sport mode the entire time.
Very good test and a very close description of what this bike is. But in my personal opinion I think he's coming at it from a street sport bike approach. Now for what it's worth. I'm coming at it from a dirt tracker Motocrosser approach. I've had and still have sport bikes. But my hart is mostly in the dirt. So that being said. I bought a 2023 FTR1200 Carbon R. Holy crap what a fun bike. I would choose this over the MT09 and did. It doesn't really make any mistakes. It does everything extremely well. I have so much fun everytime I ride this motorcycle it's crazy. He's right maybe about practicality. It's not practical at all. This bike was ment to one thing only and it does it everytime you ride it. Put a huge smile on your face while you giggle like a school girl. Now I have multiple motorcycles. I've been collecting since I was 8 and I'm 62 now. So I've had many years to build my inventory. So he's right in saying it's not a practical bike. But in my opinion the MT09 is not a better bike. And I like the MT09 as well. But I have more fun on the Indian FTR1200 Carbon R. To be fair I also have a 2021 Kawasaki Z900rs. That checks all the boxes the MT does but is much better in down town big cities like in my case San Jose and San Francisco. It works much better than the MT09 and the FTR. But for just screwing off and being stupid this is definitely the bike. There is one other bike that fits in this category. And that's the Ducati Hypermotard. I haven't ridden the 2023 or 24. But I was one of the first guys from a dealer that road one. And that 07 Hypermotard was awesome. The Indian is faster but that's not why you buy one of these bikes. Infact I will in the future buy a 07 or 98 Hypermotard S in Red. Again I collect. So in closing if you want a bike with tuns of caricature and stupid fun to ride. This is it. As far as the hurky jurky goes. Almost all street legal motorcycles have this problem. It can be tuned out with a flash to the ecu or a power commander. I could go on how much fun I'm having owning this motorcycle but I think between the 2 of us you get it. I hilly recommend this motorcycle for the fun factor. Good luck 👍
This bike was one of the last two on my shortlist for my latest purchase. The other was a Kawa z900 RS. I chose the Kawa precisely because of what you mentioned - bigger tank with longer range, better for commuting, and more all-rounder than the FTR. Fuel mileage was the main deciding factor, since I actually do commute to work - 60 miles each way. So to answer the question, in my mind the main competitor was the Kawa z900 RS.
Same for me but I bought the FTR (second hand).. yes, the Kawa has better mpg but the FTR is way more fun. 33% usage for commuting and the rest is twisty rides in our 'polders'.. (in the Netherlands).
After riding for over 55 years, I've actually fallen in love with this bike, which I have not done since my Honda 400-4 way back when I was 16. So, I appreciate your review. Very nicely done, Sir.
Good to see you in good mood Spite with your own channel! 💪😃👍 Really appreciate metrics not only imperial, because I'm from Europe 👌 Missing seat height in centimeters though 😉🤷♂️
I did the same. Went there thinking I wanted a Scout Bobber as my second bike. I said let me ride the FTR just for the fun of it. Rode the Scout again and left with a Carbon R. Amazing bike!!!
I got an Indian FTR1200 S, with some specials on it. but I have the normal spedometer, not a LCD screen. for me, simpler is better. I have tons of fun with it. going to work with it, driving with my friends and wife. for me, I have no regrets. I am too a large dude. (6 feet, 33 inches. or 1.93 meters) this bike was almost made for me. PS, having a adjustable valve exhaust, makes this beast ROAR! (jekill and hide exhaust) kids love it. some neighbours dont. but hey, its adjustable. so everyone can be happy. for me the major drawback is refeulling, sometimes I am pumping longer than a car. sad.
Knockin' on 75K... Yeah boy! The subs, clicks, likes, and comments will give you the juice you need to get your hands on motorcycles to create great content. Great to watch you rolling it on over and over and laughing. Fun bikes are, well, FUN! As for your inner AC/DC "oi! oi!" play with the preload and clickers. Just 'cause you're on a loaner doesn't man you can't fiddle with the adjustable suspension. As to competition, think Harley-Davidson Sportster S -edit- Note to self, don't comment until watching the clip all the way through! LoL
12:44 when you're mentioning the KTM - I just did a 500k camping trip this weekend. FE450/Mitas E07 18" back and 21" front. 129 km/h - just fine. 130 km/h -deathwobble. So I'm happy that my commute is just 15 minutes of schools, 30-zones and roundabouts.
Came over from yammie and i gotta say: this video has all the energy i am missing there now. You Make those so damn well! I would love a series like „lets drive…“ where you get in the saddle of peoples bike but with the people involved in the Video Not just as bike donors. Keep on going, greetings from germany!
I test rode the FTR 1200 Sport a month ago and literally fell in love! Everything is exactly as it should be: power, power delivery (smooth but not boring), sound, vibrations, electronics (quite a few but not too much), handling, comfort (not track oriented, not boring everyday bike). And a real beauty! The only thing that was unpleasent was... its cost here in Europe. A possible FTR 900, more economic (in terms of cost, consumption, service), lighter and more nibble, but equally beautiful and well set-up... I would have bought it yesterday!
Would love to see a day in the saddle of the new Indian Chief. The one with the touch display and rear cylinder deactivation. Really been tossing back and for giving up eating so I can afford it haha.
@@Sinister_fartbox I’m your typical fz09 hooligan type. I typically gravitate towards playful sporty bikes. I tried a friend’s FTR though and I LOVED it. It was every bit as quick but felt less frantic and twitchy. The weight and wheelbase make it feel more composed while the slower spinning engine give v8 muscle car vibes. Where the fz09 is really only enjoyable when romping on it, the FTR was nice even when you were just casually cruising around. It’s a much better machine than the spec sheet might imply. Worth taking for a test ride at least.
Happy TH-cam is recommending your vids :) Heard about how they did you, bro respect. You worked so hard that the community appreciates and is here for you 🤙🏽
I own a base model '22, they start at $12999, comes with the softer sachs suspension, no TFT(analog/digital instead) and doesn't have a lot of the techy tech of the S or carbon(no IMUs, TC or anything) it does still get cruise control and ABS. Being so stripped down is what makes it a better bike, IMO, it makes you feel closer to the machine, the "I love it, but I don't love it" never crossed my mind. I just love it! Also lower price makes the purchase easier to swallow. The flaws are still there, the jerky fueling and overall low range(I got 120 miles on 3/4 of a tank not being that aggressive averaging 60ish mph). Performance wise, My brother has a z900 and doing some pulls displays similar straight line performance, the FTR handles much better though. My biggest gripe is a 125 mph limiter from the factory and very few flash options. Lloydz garage is the way to go for that.
I got the joy of riding a '19 FTR at a local dealer used bike demo day, and it was incredible. All them torques felt amazing on the butt dyno, not what I was expecting from a "fuddy duddy" Indian V-Twin. Handling seemed great on the short course the dealer had laid out for us. IMHO your clarification of Fast vs Quick is spot on.
@@paulf9653 I have an FTR 2019 but also tested a 2022.. I found the feel and handling of the 2019 much more pleasant for myself as I'm over 6ft. I like the sitting upright on my FTR. And what Spite says about the 2019 being harder to steer into a corner, I disagree.. but I'm used to a Japanese muscle bike (XJR1300) that''s only 10kg heavier than the FTR.
@@mauriesl I just like the handling better on the 22 with the 17” wheels. I didn’t really notice any seating difference on the RR that I rode, just the seat height was definitely taller. I did add a set of Kopp risers to mine that are up and back 1” that made it better for me. I’m 6’1”.
@@paulf9653 The first owner also put a protaper rally handlebar on mine, that makes me sit even more upright.. the way Ilike it. And for the handling.. we all have our preferences and I'm not a very fast rider. I like easy cruising through corners so the handling of the 2019 FTR suits my style of riding. And maybe my being used to the XJR, also a heavy bike, cloured my experience of both bikes. So many bikes, so many experiences and preferences.. :-]
They really nailed the looks and colors on this bike. Looks fantastic! That caught my attention when I was looking for a bike, but settled for something better (and cheaper) for my needs... That camera upgrade is really noticeable, good job!
Once again, this is a very good review. I appreciated you answering the questions posed to you by the members. Especially the one about the back strain and the herky jerky throttle. I have to admit that this bike appeals to me because I ride twisty roads and no commuter travel. It also has a style that appeals to me. The downside to this brand is that the nearest dealer is 50 miles away from me ( I live in Harley land ( rural Wisconsin)).
I recommend you check out the Z900rs. I love mine in San Diego twisties, and it corrects all the negatives Spite addresses. Maybe there’s a Kawasaki dealership near you?
@@scottashdown3686 Coming from a Yamaha XJR 1300 I rode both the FTR and Kawa Z900RS. I love the looks of both bikes, but found the FTR more fun to ride. As good as my XJR even. I found the Z900RS a bit too loose and not 'torqie' enough. But it's a good bike overall.
@@RandolphTuttle , I'm confused. You wrote that the downside to owning an Indian is that there are no dealers within 50 miles. If you live in a rural area, then it makes sense that you may not have a nearby Indian dealer, or any bike dealer for that matter. And if you don't have a bike shop close by, why are you watching this?
I bought one on august 8th and have had a bit of trouble staying off it. For any that haven't heard many of the FTR models are now recalled for problems with a leaky coolant junction (sadly noticed some leaking on mine) Spite's pretty accurate, very heavy price point (mine was like 18 and didn't come with any of the extra carbon fiber so I probably got ripped off) but very fun bike, incredibly comfy (at least for me) very visceral feeling suspension (every bump goes straight to you) the throttle openings are not impressive for an 18k (or 12 I guess) bike, comes with a cat (most bikes will eventually) I personally have had some issues with cold starts and performance when its cold, In my opinion, this is probably one of the best performance motorcycles you can buy, no it wont do 200, you probably wont even get it to 140, but the platform is an absolute monster, and its difficult to say what is really "better" than the ftr because nothing can really compare to the ftr, if you put it up against naked bikes it doesn't fit, if you put it up against sports or cruisers it doesn't fit, in many ways it really is its own thing. Perfectly proportionate. I love the ftr, Hope it doesn't get discontinued.
@@spitescorner do you know if it is the pre 2007 model (the 1200) or the 1700 model? I own the 1200 but I am a bit too far away to assist with donating the bike for a day. Would be cool to see a review on either model to be honest as both are epic.
Love the review... Really like the bike. Appreciate the Harley call out. The Bronx would be great competition to help both bikes push each other further. They are in a class/category of their own oddity. Would the XSR 900 potentially dabble in this grey area?
I was deciding between the XSR 900 and the FTR when I bought my FTR and I don't think you can really go wrong with either. The XSR is not quite as quick, but it's lighter and cheaper
Got to test ride a 2022 FTR1200 at bikes blues and BBQ in NWA this weekend. Was actually really nice. I’m coming off of a 2021 z900 and this bike was easily as fast if not a little faster stoplight to stoplight as my bike, and it handles way better than I expected! Very cool torquey bike with huge style points and a great sound 👍
Having a '19, the changing of ride modes are never and issue, you also didnt highlight that its a touchscreen so its easier to change that way even with gloves. Overall an awesome review! The gas tank is by far the biggest issue in my opinion... did a 2500km tour of gas stations across western canada haha
Ty for allowing us to continue enjoying videos from you. I enjoy my 2019 FTR 1200S Race Replica for 10,000 miles since new (purchase spring 21). I own a Ural Gear Up Sidecar and a Vitpilen 401 as well. I resprocketed my FTR to 43T rear tooth so that it can be ridden a few hundred miles a day. It can lug the motor now in 6th with the 18" rear. Good for highway, dropped my rev's about 14% and gave me a usable first gear. I agree with you, ergo is weird you will be forced to roll your hips forward and yes the motor is so tuned up you only accelerate, refuses to feather throttle. You get used to it and learn to gradually feather well enough. Something you didn't mention is Indian did not add GPS to the FTR even though it has a GPS antennae inside the fancy very expensive touch screen control system.
Nice review of the FTR1200. Your review reflects most of what I've experienced as an FTR1200 rider (I've owned mine [a leftover 2019 Base Model] since March 2020). Does it have its faults - yes, but it's a fun motorcycle to ride. It pulls like freight train - especially above 4000 rpm, and is IMO a great naked American sporty motorcycle. It's limited to "only 130 mph plus" - so what? short of going to a racetrack, it's plenty fast. I've been on the wrong side of 110 a few times (I don't make a habit of doing so - don't want to list my license, and despite wearing protective riding gear, a get off at the speed, would seriously hurt me). Oh yeah, you can commute on it. I do it on mine. During the warm weather months, it becomes my main wheels, for a daily 50 mile round trip commute to work. Like you said, the suspension can get kind of choppy, and the gas range is mediocre (I typically fuel up every 2 days when I commute on the FTR1200, due to the dinky underseat gas tank), but it's stable at 80 plus mph on the Interstate, during the 25 mile commute in the morning to work, and is fun to ride on the winding backroads (I hate jousting with afternoon rush hour traffic on the freeway) I take home from work. It handles well, and it's a blast grabbing a handfull of throttle exiting a turn. Could the FTR be better? Yes, but I've certainly ridden much worse. Even its weight, while considered kind of heavy nowadays, would have been considered pretty light in the early 80s - GS1100s and GPZ1100s, and Laverda Jotas had heavier dry weights, than the FTR1200's wet weight.
I agree. I too own a 2022 FTR R Carbon, 2 years later still fascinated with it and just Love everything about it….my only 2 complaints are small gas ⛽️ tank and range and the seat could be more comfortable, besides just Love my FTR and the looks I get on the road!
Thanks for the honest review and for pointing out the herky-jerky throttle (thanks fuel-infected deceleration fuel cutoff for that). My last bike was like that and I can't tell you how frustrating it was when I just wanted to cruise in a fuel-efficient manner but instead got repeatedly kicked in the tailpipe by the bike surging forward. The FTR has been on my radar for a while, and many of those downsides I'm willing to overlook for such a cool bike, but I'll wait a bit for Indian for figure their fueling out. I think it's because a lot of manufacturers are trying to work around stricter emission regulations while also making their bikes torque/speed monsters: they neuter the throttle to meet regulations near idle / at low RPMs, but then instantly switch to full force outside of the "regulated throttle zone", which, as a commuter and lazy rider, is really fricking annoying.
Man… what a great review!!! I was contemplating the FTR, the Ducati Hypermotard SP and the Duke 890. I ended up choosing the Hypermotard. I love it but I gotta say the FTR is a gorgeous machine.
15:45 so Spite, here’s the deal. i’m sure you’re aware of this however my motorcycle and I assume most of modern motorcycles do the same thing. Once I fill up it will say 190 miles till empty. If I ride gently it will all of a sudden say 220 miles till empty. If I start getting on it it will jump down to 180 miles till empty. Point is, the computer is always calculating range based on how you’re using your right wrist lol. I think they do a very good job at accurately showing you how many miles till empty. it’s just doing it in real time.
Cracking review and that new camera is sharp spite! I asked about direct competition for this bike because it's a question I can't answer either 🤷♂️. I love the styling and that beeefy frame but some of the issues you point out definitely matter to me so this was invaluable to hear. I'm test riding this and a Diavel next week so that should be an interesting comparison.
To compare, I highly recommend the cheaper, lighter, easier to ride and more comfortable Z900rs which has similar hp and torque specs on a super smooth 4 cylinder. Also upside down forks and great engine breaking from slipper clutch. I get 200+ miles on full tank. And it looks and sounds gorgeous, stock! The other bike I thought of was the Triumph Speed Twin. It also has similar specs coming out of a sweet, high torque parallel twin! Whatever bike you choose, make sure it fits YOU ergonomically like a comfortable shoe. Enjoy and good luck!
Yo Spite Outstanding review, glad to see you are out there doing what you love to do. Keep up the great work, keep the rubber side up, and keep doing what you love to do. Happy for you.
Sick looking bike. I’m starting to realize what my preference for bikes is. That being naked bikes or standard bikes. Comfort,looks, and performance. This is a awesome exotic that I would only own as a toy lol Right now I’m looking into the z900 or the mt-09 as it’s more budget friendly.
I own 2019 FTR1200, and agree with everything Spite says about the bike, (especially the verdict). All the pros and cons are exactly what I think about it too. Best review for this bike that I saw.
This was on the top of my list along with the XSR900 and the z900rs. Its going to be my 45th gift to myself but man that price, despite looking like sex on wheels is a full RC390 more expensive. I have until April to decide and I stll haven't been on a Z yet but $16,000 on the black with the upgrade suspension is kinda nuts. This was super helpful though.
For what it’s worth, I love my Z900rs for riding the twisties in San Diego. And for me, it corrects all the negatives that Spite addresses: lower price, better comfort/ suspension, 200+ miles for full tank, lighter and easier to ride with upside down forks and great engine breaking out of slipper clutch, and silky smooth 4 cylinder engine! I still love riding it after 22,000 miles 🏍😎
I have a '20 XSR and really loved the looks of the Indian(and the Kawie) but the cost difference and the unknown at the time reliability of the Indian made me go with the XSR. Bang for the buck nothing can touch it. Plus it's almost 100lbs lighter.
Hey spite, on the fuel range, it could be an adaptive fuel range meaning it pays attention to how you ride and changes the fuel range estimation to suit. Hence why it can go up and down.
I get about a 110-120 miles with very spirited riding, but at least 140 miles with regular riding in standard mode. I try to fill it up with gasoline without ethanol as much as possible. I think that might influence the milage.
This bike is bad to the bone, I'm super impressed with the looks and performance. However after watching your review it becomes clear that even the most desirable bike in many ways isn't necessarily the best bike overall. Great content Spite!
I own a 19 FTR-RR. I run the Lloyd’z V6 tune which smooths out throttle response and improves power/torque. It also removes the speed limiter. As far as the suspension is concerned it is completely adjustable and should be set properly for your weight. I am 6’ - 175 lbs. The tester is 6’4”” and I guess 220-230 lbs. He needs to set it up for his weight. My son-in-law owns an MT09. The performance of these machines is actually very similar. The MT09 is significantly less expensive, however my son-in-law’s MT09 lacks lean angle sensitive traction control. Yes - the FTR will easily wheelie. You can turn wheelie mitigation on/off from the touch screen. I love the look, sound and characteristics of V-twins. The FTR is completely different than metric sport bikes in a very good way. Ride one and you will understand.
Spite I have the Absolute upmost respect for you! And u being the man u r thru all the BS that happened. But I just don't understand how you even mention that losers channel in ur vlogs! I don't think I would even be mentioning that channel if I was in your shoes. But I guess that's another reason y we love you.
@@spitescorner and honestly that's the best path for you brother! That is also the reason you are the only channel I have jumped on the patreon. Keep doing you spite!
You and Whitney would make a nice duo on this channel...If only you could lure her to escape Yammie's dungeon and join Spite's Corner...Just sayin'...(Mu Ha Ha Ha Ha)
Your content is on point and the topics you choose for your videos are genuinely interesting. Keep it up and you'll without a doubt become one of the biggest Motorcycle youtubers.
I tested this bike about a year ago, and i expected to love it. I'd had my eye on getting one since the first model year was announced! Like you, i thought it was a great bike, but i just didn't LOVE it. It was a bit of a let down. The leg room was definitely an issue for my 34" inseam, comfortable for the half hour i had it, but i could see it being annoying riding all day. It's pretty, and it's fun, but at that price it needs to check all the boxes. I am really enjoying your content, being unhindered by the other channel is a good thing, they were dumbing you down!
I have a ‘19 FTR 1200S with the 18/19” wheels, as god intended. Anyway, I love the bike. I’m not a super sporty rider, but it handles great for my purposes and is so damn fun and quick as Spite says here. Plus … plus … it is absolutely beautiful. I think it, in the right trim, is one of the most perfect motorcycles ever designed for curbside beauty. Oh, and yes, the suspension is tough, even without the Ohlins version. I keep meaning to experiment with the clickers, but I never get around to it. When I get near it I just want to RIDE. Mine does not have the rear cylinder deactivation, so yes it will cook your inner thighs, esp the right one. I just try to think of it as a seat heater when the weather turns cool ;-) As to what is its closest competition. Nothing current, but the Moto Guzzi Griso comes to mind as a possible competitor at least WRT style and intent, IMO.
Brilliant assessment of this motorcycle. I have this exact same bike . All of your praise and gripes are spot on. The jerky throttle tip in can be remedied by a tune from Lloyd’s garage. The range isn’t horrible but filling the tank is a total pain in the ass. Overall I absolutely love my bike. I commute it 6 months of the year. I have put 8k on the odometer
Already over 75k subscribers!!! Awesome. Now let's get you to 100k by the end of the year!!! Great content and solid information for riders and new riders.
I'm here before a 100k subscribers.. your screen presence is why I became a fan..you have come a lonnng way..looking forward to seeing you WIN my brother... Subscribed!!
Own an FTR1200S and I agree with all of your points. It's amazing honestly. I can ride 5 hours and not feel pain, and wheelie like nothing. Very fun as a commuter and stunt bike. However yeah, I agree. The clutch is so insane that I stalled it first time riding it. Normal motorcycles have more give before it wants to go, the FTR does not. Standard or rain mode, it just want to take off. On clear roads? Love it. Bumper to Bumper traffic? Nope. It takes some getting used to, and it's very easy to lane filter in California, but unless you are ready to deal with that power it isn't a good bike.
I have a 22 FTR with the 17s, I just put a downsized 43 tooth sprocket and it improves the commutability. Makes cruising speeds more livable while still keeping a lot of acceleration.
Love the vids Spite. In Ironing out the jerky throttle on my Z900RS, found the cause was the injectors were completely closing when off throttle (among other things). Essentially, the engine was turning itself off when you close the throttle. So, when you crack the throttle back open, the injectors open again, and the engine essentially fires back up. This causes that jerky feeling. I assume it's the same case with a lot of these modern bikes with jerky on/off throttle feel. This is supposedly a part of how a lot of these manufacturers are meeting the extremely strict emissions requirements we have today. It's really unfortunate that they have to make the bikes in such a way that hurts your confidence and sometimes become outright dangerous if you are really pushing it and roll back on throttle hard at corner exit. Fortunately, it's easily fixed with a tune.
I sat on one for the first time today. It felt comfy. What ive taken from this sprockets and suspension tweaks would make this a nice all around bike for me.
My '05 Buell XB12SCG with the factory race ECM and pipe put out about 113 HP and 100+ ft bls of torque and was the same kind of fun to ride. It handled great and I could go through canyons and leave it in 3rd or 4th and never have to shift much. It could also do a burnout from a dead stop in 5th gear. Not starting in 1st and shifting to 5th, starting in 5th. That front brake worked really good for that. Back in '05 my Buell was $10,495 so in todays dollar I guess $17k doesn't seem too bad for this bike. I did have to add my own carbon fiber on the Buell.
Don’t bother mentioning your old traitor boss’s channel, he’s not worth a mention. Keep up the great work Spite, I’m loving your new content! As someone who’s brand new to motorcycling and just got his licence, I’m so glad I can gain great knowledge from you. Thanks for your hard work!
Love the progress you've made on the channel! I'd say the closet competitor to the FTR is the Sportster S, at least on paper. This bike looks a lot better between the two though.
I have a friend who's been riding some serious bikes for years, like an old Ducati and a screaming MV Agusta Brutale, and, while I "get" that it's a person's own business whether they want to spring-for a bike that'll exceed 170 mph, or-so, from a realistic point of view, doesn't it make a lot-more "USABLE" sense to have a bike that is QUICK, down-at the speeds that you could more-responsibly be using, on the street? Look at the FUN that Spite is registering, when he opens-up and zooms from 50-to-70, "in NO time," while the dashboard numerals were so large that we could all SEE the numbers mount! Just saying that you have a motorcycle has a top-end that is close to Escape Velocity makes a lot less sense than the usable FUN you could have, on bike that's more like THIS one.
100% agree. Most true sport bikes have a power range that just isn't fun or even usable on public streets. It isn't fun to take a bike that's designed to spin at 10k+ RPMs to hit it's powerband and cruise around town on it. There's a reason a lot of people like HDs - because even though they're generally "slow", the instant torque and low RPM powerbands are pleasurable if you don't care to speed and race. A lot of comment warriors on the internet (and youtube especially) live to compare spec sheets, but specs don't always outline a real-world experience. Something like an FTR or a Sportster S is kind of a nice mix of both worlds. More than enough grunt to be livable daily, but also has some top-end as well, more than enough power to go from 0-reckless driving in a matter of seconds and keep up with near anyone as long as they aren't going full stupid. Me? I like having a little juice, but I have no desire to get into, let alone well into, the triple digits pretty much ever.
My favourite FTR is the Mk1 with the round dial and no fancy modes. It's all you need. I also like the flat track wheel sizes. I'd never buy an FTR due to the weight [although it's carried low], the petrol tank size and mpg figure. I have an old Buell XB12X Ulysses - 1202cc, lighter than the FTR, 100 bhp and great torque. It isn't much slower than the FTR. Great review, great channel. Fast becoming one of my favourites. I'm glad you're going solo now.
I had the chance to ride this for a little bit a few months ago, and WOW is this a fun bike! Absolutely crazy torque ad it's just begging you to wring it out. So much fun, and it's really interesting to see a bike that doesn't actually have any real direct competition.
I do agree with you Spite regarding quick and fast. I own an old SV1000 K3 naked and love that bike. It's not 'fast' but it's quick. That thing has enough torque to pull the moon out of orbit and jumpstart our sun - at the same time. I'm hugely in love with the original Vmax but they way to expensive as a 1st bike, so I went for a V2 one-litre bike as my first choice with humble 124hp. I own the SV1000 since April and I love that bike - everytime I am on it, and thats actually a lot, I just grin. A usual day consist of at least 200mls sometimes even 300mls in the saddle and rain doesn't bother me so much to be honest, so 'bad' weather doesn't put me off. If you ever decide to review 'old' bikes what are not Harley, the 1st Gen Vmax, what in my opinion started all the "muscle-bikes" - would be great to hear your opinion on that one. There a ton of reviews of the 2nd gen because it made it into the Ghostrider moves, but the real raw deal is the Vmax 1200 in my opinion.
Tried to keep this one a little shorter this time... If you enjoyed the video click that subscribe button to keep the channel growing!
Keep up the good content stay positive keep moving forward!
Shorter plz... 8-15 mins is ideal. Great videos though, big fan of the channel!
You mentioned a new camera. What do you recommend for vlog?
I’m from Austin Texas and am going to get my first bike in January man ! If you wanted to do a video about a new rider or purchasing a used bike from Craigslist I’m all game ! I’d pay you just to go with me and check the bike honestly aha I don’t want to get screwed over !!
30 mins is about perfect for these I think. Love the channel man!
The fact that this video has over twice the amount of views as Yammie noobs newest video has in half the time tells you everything you need to know. Spite keep it up your doing amazing!
Every time I see a new video from him, I notice his subscriber # has gone up by like 2-5k. He's easier to listen to and less judgmental. Definitely quality content.
Totally. And Spite has a much higher coolness factor
Less juvenile memes, really.
yeah, I'm commenting and liking all of spike's vids just to "spite" yammie. sometimes I leave them running on autoplay while at work.
Was about to comment the same exact thing before I saw your comment lol. Yammie gets like 20k a vid now after days, spite has that many views on a video in just a few hours.
I work at Indian and nearly every FTR we see is a dedicated commuter! Maybe its the crazy South Dakotans, it's in our blood being the home of Sturgis Bike Rally, but the FTR is nearly the most smile ensuring bike you can ride, especially when you're sick of mundane trips to work. Might as well be smiling on your way!
Also, the FTR1200 races in the Moto America "Super Hooligans" race, against the Dukes, Hypermotards and many high end hyper-naked machines. The FTR is either in the top 3, or takes 1st, 2nd AND 3rd. Incredibly potent machine when race prepped!
I've heard that refueling this bike is a bit of a PITA in that it takes too long to fill it up. Something having to do with the angle of the filler neck to the tank.
@@michaelskinner896getting that last quarter gallon in takes a few extra seconds. But it’s not bad.
Hey Spite I just want to say a massive thank you for putting in putting metric measurements, it's actually a brilliant touch for some of us metric people! Yes I could just look up a conversion on my phone, however I really appreciate just that little touch of editing that another motorcycle channel never seemed to really care about. Keep up the great work man I love already seeing how well you're doing.
+1 as a european
Hmm just a question but what does US use in their scientific calculations? Aren't they in metrics or SI?
Neither her nor there, but metric people aren't just some of us, it's actually by far the largest group out there.
What you said
Totally - keep on the metrics!
This is officially the best FTR review I have watched. You are the first person I have watched that covered any potential negatives compared to the positives. Despite (pun) the negatives, I still want one, maybe even more now after hearing that laugh during the acceleration.
I agree. If you are thinking of getting one see my comment above.
I don't get the pun :(
De Spite. Heh
Bikes are so good now, just buy one you like the looks of, and make you smile when you hammer it!
@@Xammed omg 🤣
Indian is at the top of the list for a second bike. FTR is on the top of that list.... thanks for the honesty Spite. Keep it going
That's a good looking bike Matt. If you get it you gotta post your thoughts on it and how it compares to Spite's take.
It's such a fun bike. I test rode one at bike week this year and decided to buy one about halfway thru the ride lol. 6 months later, it still puts a huge grin on my face every time I twist the throttle. That point in this video where spite rips it and just starts laughing - that's every time I ride it. It's just a blast.
He left out 1 MAJOR positive about the bike. It is absolutely beautiful! I've had mine for about 3 months now and get compliments all the time.
I've owned my FTR S for 3 months now as a daily commuter and I absolutely love it! You make great points on the drawbacks of the bike but they're negligent when you consider the unique character and insane fun you can have on it at any time. Great vid 🤘🏻
How far is your commute
@@jeremyjohnson6438 10-15mins, which is perfect for this bike.
How do you think the FINISH of the carbon components will be holding-up? (I think that it LOOKS great, and unique, in the footage in this video, but I'm wondering if it would begin to fade, or to "ghost," like the pigment can end-up clouding, when you bend a colored sheet of Styrene Plastic.) Just curious, to hear your thoughts, on this finish-durability question.)
@@johnstanley7442 honestly I don't know and don't own the carbon model. I second Spite's recommendation to save yourself a couple thousand and just get the FTR S base model.
Great Job. Probably the best, most accurate, and honest review of the FTR I've seen. Coming from a long term FTR Carbon R owner, all of your points, positive and negative, are spot on. Couple of those point I will touch on though. The jerkiness of the throttle down low and 100% correctable with a Lloydz tune. The bike is completely different and even more of an animal after the tune. So much smoother too. The other would be the Ohlins comfort. I thought the same thing about the harshness as you did at first. I then spent half a day starting with the recommended Indian settings and then tailoring them to my weight. After probably 8-10 test rides and minor tweaking it's much more compliant and handles amazingly. It took a lot of dialing in though. Again awesome review man!!!
I literally own this exact bike and while I do love it….. I’m glad it’s not my only bike.
What are your other bikes?
What is your other bike.
Beautiful bike! Thanks for the consistent content, Spite, much love as always.
2022 FTR1200S White Smoke, $16000 0td. Daily commuter, I love, love mine!. I've always had real sportbikes, CBRs, ZXs, Gixers, both 600 and 1000s. I ride track and commute. This is the perfect commuter if you're coming from a pure sportbike world. Very comfortable riding position at 6'1". In my opinion very easy to use menu if you use touchscreen mode, the buttons are ridiculous! EXCEPT the cruise control button I LOVE IT!! Set it and off to work I go. The rush of power and exceptional handling are absolutely addicting. I ride So Cal mountains and can tell you it's fully capable of keeping up with the sportbike riders if you are. I'm 100% pleased with my purchase. Well done professional presentation even if agree to disagree.
You’ve been reviewing all the bikes I have interest in! You are nailing it! Would love to see a review of the new CB750 hornet if you can get yours hands on one!
I bought one when they first came out after I demo one 2019 and just love it ,I also have 13 bikes of all makes and sizes but I can’t stop riding this, I rode it to Arizona from Maryland 2 years ago had to stop so many times for gas but not complaining because the seat sucks and my ass was killing me but I did buy an air hawk bag and that helped a lot and I’m 66 years old so if people say you can’t do this or that this will do it all
I like those kind of bike commentary videos most. when u actually ride the bike you are talking about. Bring more of them, Spite! You are doing very well.
I rode one around the city and I thought it was a great commuter. I love the commanding position, feels like you are sitting on top of a rocket, with a good view over the traffic on the road. And, I had it on sport mode the entire time.
Like for the correct use of “elucidate.”
I know words sometimes. My vocabulary is bigly
Casually reaching for and nailing “sonorous” too. Our boy Spite talks good! 🤗
Very good test and a very close description of what this bike is. But in my personal opinion I think he's coming at it from a street sport bike approach. Now for what it's worth. I'm coming at it from a dirt tracker Motocrosser approach. I've had and still have sport bikes. But my hart is mostly in the dirt. So that being said. I bought a 2023 FTR1200 Carbon R. Holy crap what a fun bike. I would choose this over the MT09 and did. It doesn't really make any mistakes. It does everything extremely well. I have so much fun everytime I ride this motorcycle it's crazy. He's right maybe about practicality. It's not practical at all. This bike was ment to one thing only and it does it everytime you ride it. Put a huge smile on your face while you giggle like a school girl. Now I have multiple motorcycles. I've been collecting since I was 8 and I'm 62 now. So I've had many years to build my inventory. So he's right in saying it's not a practical bike. But in my opinion the MT09 is not a better bike. And I like the MT09 as well. But I have more fun on the Indian FTR1200 Carbon R. To be fair I also have a 2021 Kawasaki Z900rs. That checks all the boxes the MT does but is much better in down town big cities like in my case San Jose and San Francisco. It works much better than the MT09 and the FTR. But for just screwing off and being stupid this is definitely the bike. There is one other bike that fits in this category. And that's the Ducati Hypermotard. I haven't ridden the 2023 or 24. But I was one of the first guys from a dealer that road one. And that 07 Hypermotard was awesome. The Indian is faster but that's not why you buy one of these bikes. Infact I will in the future buy a 07 or 98 Hypermotard S in Red. Again I collect. So in closing if you want a bike with tuns of caricature and stupid fun to ride. This is it. As far as the hurky jurky goes. Almost all street legal motorcycles have this problem. It can be tuned out with a flash to the ecu or a power commander. I could go on how much fun I'm having owning this motorcycle but I think between the 2 of us you get it. I hilly recommend this motorcycle for the fun factor. Good luck 👍
Hey man, hav you had any issues? I'm interested in getting one but i'm just worried about having problems.
This bike was one of the last two on my shortlist for my latest purchase. The other was a Kawa z900 RS. I chose the Kawa precisely because of what you mentioned - bigger tank with longer range, better for commuting, and more all-rounder than the FTR. Fuel mileage was the main deciding factor, since I actually do commute to work - 60 miles each way. So to answer the question, in my mind the main competitor was the Kawa z900 RS.
I keep an eye on MPG also, I commute and daily fuel costs matter.
Same for me but I bought the FTR (second hand).. yes, the Kawa has better mpg but the FTR is way more fun. 33% usage for commuting and the rest is twisty rides in our 'polders'.. (in the Netherlands).
Yes, I had to make the same decision. It was down to this bike,The Kawi 900 and the MT 10. Kawi won by a nose. No regrets.
After riding for over 55 years, I've actually fallen in love with this bike, which I have not done since my Honda 400-4 way back when I was 16.
So, I appreciate your review.
Very nicely done, Sir.
Good to see you in good mood Spite with your own channel! 💪😃👍 Really appreciate metrics not only imperial, because I'm from Europe 👌 Missing seat height in centimeters though 😉🤷♂️
You are KILLING IT! Keep up the hard work, it shows!
I find these types of comments condescending. All these encouragement underdog comments.
I rode one of these at an Indian factory truck demo event, and loved the hell out of it. if I could get a second bike, this would be it.
I did the same. Went there thinking I wanted a Scout Bobber as my second bike. I said let me ride the FTR just for the fun of it. Rode the Scout again and left with a Carbon R. Amazing bike!!!
I got an Indian FTR1200 S, with some specials on it. but I have the normal spedometer, not a LCD screen. for me, simpler is better.
I have tons of fun with it. going to work with it, driving with my friends and wife.
for me, I have no regrets. I am too a large dude. (6 feet, 33 inches. or 1.93 meters) this bike was almost made for me.
PS, having a adjustable valve exhaust, makes this beast ROAR! (jekill and hide exhaust) kids love it. some neighbours dont. but hey, its adjustable. so everyone can be happy.
for me the major drawback is refeulling, sometimes I am pumping longer than a car. sad.
Almost at 100k in less than 6 months. That's awesome!!!! We really support you!!! Keep up the great work!!!!
Awesome review Spite!
Keep uploading high quality content like this!
Knockin' on 75K... Yeah boy! The subs, clicks, likes, and comments will give you the juice you need to get your hands on motorcycles to create great content. Great to watch you rolling it on over and over and laughing. Fun bikes are, well, FUN! As for your inner AC/DC "oi! oi!" play with the preload and clickers. Just 'cause you're on a loaner doesn't man you can't fiddle with the adjustable suspension. As to competition, think Harley-Davidson Sportster S -edit- Note to self, don't comment until watching the clip all the way through! LoL
I wish it had the external preload knob like the MT09 SP. This was all thread preload
I’m getting one Tuesday. Loved the review.
Thanks for the great review Spite. Congrats on your channel's success.
12:44 when you're mentioning the KTM - I just did a 500k camping trip this weekend. FE450/Mitas E07 18" back and 21" front. 129 km/h - just fine. 130 km/h -deathwobble. So I'm happy that my commute is just 15 minutes of schools, 30-zones and roundabouts.
Came over from yammie and i gotta say: this video has all the energy i am missing there now. You Make those so damn well!
I would love a series like „lets drive…“ where you get in the saddle of peoples bike but with the people involved in the Video Not just as bike donors.
Keep on going, greetings from germany!
That's a great idea
Seconded
I test rode the FTR 1200 Sport a month ago and literally fell in love! Everything is exactly as it should be: power, power delivery (smooth but not boring), sound, vibrations, electronics (quite a few but not too much), handling, comfort (not track oriented, not boring everyday bike). And a real beauty!
The only thing that was unpleasent was... its cost here in Europe.
A possible FTR 900, more economic (in terms of cost, consumption, service), lighter and more nibble, but equally beautiful and well set-up... I would have bought it yesterday!
Would love to see a day in the saddle of the new Indian Chief. The one with the touch display and rear cylinder deactivation. Really been tossing back and for giving up eating so I can afford it haha.
You and me both. Beautiful bike.
I’m not a massive fan of American bikes but this is simply stunning I’d love to have one.
Nahhh American bike sucks. This doesn’t have any impressive specs and it’s way to heavy for its power
@@Sinister_fartbox 😂
Ride one! You’ll change your mind very quickly.
@@Sinister_fartbox I’m your typical fz09 hooligan type. I typically gravitate towards playful sporty bikes. I tried a friend’s FTR though and I LOVED it. It was every bit as quick but felt less frantic and twitchy. The weight and wheelbase make it feel more composed while the slower spinning engine give v8 muscle car vibes. Where the fz09 is really only enjoyable when romping on it, the FTR was nice even when you were just casually cruising around. It’s a much better machine than the spec sheet might imply. Worth taking for a test ride at least.
@@someguyontheinternet7165 aight
Happy TH-cam is recommending your vids :)
Heard about how they did you, bro respect. You worked so hard that the community appreciates and is here for you 🤙🏽
I own a base model '22, they start at $12999, comes with the softer sachs suspension, no TFT(analog/digital instead) and doesn't have a lot of the techy tech of the S or carbon(no IMUs, TC or anything) it does still get cruise control and ABS. Being so stripped down is what makes it a better bike, IMO, it makes you feel closer to the machine, the "I love it, but I don't love it" never crossed my mind. I just love it! Also lower price makes the purchase easier to swallow. The flaws are still there, the jerky fueling and overall low range(I got 120 miles on 3/4 of a tank not being that aggressive averaging 60ish mph). Performance wise, My brother has a z900 and doing some pulls displays similar straight line performance, the FTR handles much better though. My biggest gripe is a 125 mph limiter from the factory and very few flash options. Lloydz garage is the way to go for that.
I got the joy of riding a '19 FTR at a local dealer used bike demo day, and it was incredible. All them torques felt amazing on the butt dyno, not what I was expecting from a "fuddy duddy" Indian V-Twin. Handling seemed great on the short course the dealer had laid out for us. IMHO your clarification of Fast vs Quick is spot on.
You need to ride a 22 with the 17s. Huge difference in feel and handling.
I want to, but the my local dealers only allow test rides on used bikes. So far no one has traded in a newer model.
@@paulf9653 I have an FTR 2019 but also tested a 2022.. I found the feel and handling of the 2019 much more pleasant for myself as I'm over 6ft. I like the sitting upright on my FTR. And what Spite says about the 2019 being harder to steer into a corner, I disagree.. but I'm used to a Japanese muscle bike (XJR1300) that''s only 10kg heavier than the FTR.
@@mauriesl I just like the handling better on the 22 with the 17” wheels. I didn’t really notice any seating difference on the RR that I rode, just the seat height was definitely taller. I did add a set of Kopp risers to mine that are up and back 1” that made it better for me. I’m 6’1”.
@@paulf9653 The first owner also put a protaper rally handlebar on mine, that makes me sit even more upright.. the way Ilike it. And for the handling.. we all have our preferences and I'm not a very fast rider. I like easy cruising through corners so the handling of the 2019 FTR suits my style of riding. And maybe my being used to the XJR, also a heavy bike, cloured my experience of both bikes.
So many bikes, so many experiences and preferences.. :-]
Day in the saddle is a great series. Love hearing about all bikes whether I want them or not
They really nailed the looks and colors on this bike. Looks fantastic! That caught my attention when I was looking for a bike, but settled for something better (and cheaper) for my needs...
That camera upgrade is really noticeable, good job!
I adore this bike's design, it's like somebody took the image of my dream bike direct from my brain!
Once again, this is a very good review. I appreciated you answering the questions posed to you by the members. Especially the one about the back strain and the herky jerky throttle. I have to admit that this bike appeals to me because I ride twisty roads and no commuter travel. It also has a style that appeals to me. The downside to this brand is that the nearest dealer is 50 miles away from me ( I live in Harley land ( rural Wisconsin)).
I recommend you check out the Z900rs. I love mine in San Diego twisties, and it corrects all the negatives Spite addresses. Maybe there’s a Kawasaki dealership near you?
@@scottashdown3686 Coming from a Yamaha XJR 1300 I rode both the FTR and Kawa Z900RS. I love the looks of both bikes, but found the FTR more fun to ride. As good as my XJR even. I found the Z900RS a bit too loose and not 'torqie' enough. But it's a good bike overall.
Randolph Tuttle, you live in rural WI and expect an Indian dealer less than 50 miles away??
@@captainamerica9353 I do not expect a Dealer, but I do want a repair shop that is close to me.
@@RandolphTuttle , I'm confused. You wrote that the downside to owning an Indian is that there are no dealers within 50 miles. If you live in a rural area, then it makes sense that you may not have a nearby Indian dealer, or any bike dealer for that matter. And if you don't have a bike shop close by, why are you watching this?
I bought one on august 8th and have had a bit of trouble staying off it. For any that haven't heard many of the FTR models are now recalled for problems with a leaky coolant junction (sadly noticed some leaking on mine) Spite's pretty accurate, very heavy price point (mine was like 18 and didn't come with any of the extra carbon fiber so I probably got ripped off) but very fun bike, incredibly comfy (at least for me) very visceral feeling suspension (every bump goes straight to you) the throttle openings are not impressive for an 18k (or 12 I guess) bike, comes with a cat (most bikes will eventually) I personally have had some issues with cold starts and performance when its cold, In my opinion, this is probably one of the best performance motorcycles you can buy, no it wont do 200, you probably wont even get it to 140, but the platform is an absolute monster, and its difficult to say what is really "better" than the ftr because nothing can really compare to the ftr, if you put it up against naked bikes it doesn't fit, if you put it up against sports or cruisers it doesn't fit, in many ways it really is its own thing. Perfectly proportionate. I love the ftr, Hope it doesn't get discontinued.
You should definitely see if you can get your hands on a Vmax.
AWESOME bikes and definitely would love to hear a die hard cruiser boy review it.
I have a buddy with one. Gonna see if I can convince him to let me borrow it for a day
@@spitescorner do you know if it is the pre 2007 model (the 1200) or the 1700 model?
I own the 1200 but I am a bit too far away to assist with donating the bike for a day.
Would be cool to see a review on either model to be honest as both are epic.
Love the review... Really like the bike. Appreciate the Harley call out. The Bronx would be great competition to help both bikes push each other further. They are in a class/category of their own oddity. Would the XSR 900 potentially dabble in this grey area?
I was deciding between the XSR 900 and the FTR when I bought my FTR and I don't think you can really go wrong with either. The XSR is not quite as quick, but it's lighter and cheaper
@@rickosborne6521 How did they compare in handling and comfort? If you don't mind me asking...
Got to test ride a 2022 FTR1200 at bikes blues and BBQ in NWA this weekend. Was actually really nice. I’m coming off of a 2021 z900 and this bike was easily as fast if not a little faster stoplight to stoplight as my bike, and it handles way better than I expected! Very cool torquey bike with huge style points and a great sound 👍
Having a '19, the changing of ride modes are never and issue, you also didnt highlight that its a touchscreen so its easier to change that way even with gloves. Overall an awesome review! The gas tank is by far the biggest issue in my opinion... did a 2500km tour of gas stations across western canada haha
wow, rain mode looks super chill for a ride by the coast and sport looks fun AF for being fashionably late to work.
so fun to see the channel doing so good :D Great video :)
Ty for allowing us to continue enjoying videos from you. I enjoy my 2019 FTR 1200S Race Replica for 10,000 miles since new (purchase spring 21). I own a Ural Gear Up Sidecar and a Vitpilen 401 as well. I resprocketed my FTR to 43T rear tooth so that it can be ridden a few hundred miles a day. It can lug the motor now in 6th with the 18" rear. Good for highway, dropped my rev's about 14% and gave me a usable first gear.
I agree with you, ergo is weird you will be forced to roll your hips forward and yes the motor is so tuned up you only accelerate, refuses to feather throttle. You get used to it and learn to gradually feather well enough.
Something you didn't mention is Indian did not add GPS to the FTR even though it has a GPS antennae inside the fancy very expensive touch screen control system.
Nice review of the FTR1200. Your review reflects most of what I've experienced as an FTR1200 rider (I've owned mine [a leftover 2019 Base Model] since March 2020). Does it have its faults - yes, but it's a fun motorcycle to ride. It pulls like freight train - especially above 4000 rpm, and is IMO a great naked American sporty motorcycle. It's limited to "only 130 mph plus" - so what? short of going to a racetrack, it's plenty fast. I've been on the wrong side of 110 a few times (I don't make a habit of doing so - don't want to list my license, and despite wearing protective riding gear, a get off at the speed, would seriously hurt me).
Oh yeah, you can commute on it. I do it on mine. During the warm weather months, it becomes my main wheels, for a daily 50 mile round trip commute to work. Like you said, the suspension can get kind of choppy, and the gas range is mediocre (I typically fuel up every 2 days when I commute on the FTR1200, due to the dinky underseat gas tank), but it's stable at 80 plus mph on the Interstate, during the 25 mile commute in the morning to work, and is fun to ride on the winding backroads (I hate jousting with afternoon rush hour traffic on the freeway) I take home from work. It handles well, and it's a blast grabbing a handfull of throttle exiting a turn.
Could the FTR be better? Yes, but I've certainly ridden much worse. Even its weight, while considered kind of heavy nowadays, would have been considered pretty light in the early 80s - GS1100s and GPZ1100s, and Laverda Jotas had heavier dry weights, than the FTR1200's wet weight.
Send the ECM to Lloydz Garage and you will be amazed how much better it is. Say goodbye to the speed governor too. LOL
I agree. I too own a 2022 FTR R Carbon, 2 years later still fascinated with it and just Love everything about it….my only 2 complaints are small gas ⛽️ tank and range and the seat could be more comfortable, besides just Love my FTR and the looks I get on the road!
Brother, you're the working mans reviewer. Thanks for always keeping it real! Keep em coming.
Thanks for the honest review and for pointing out the herky-jerky throttle (thanks fuel-infected deceleration fuel cutoff for that). My last bike was like that and I can't tell you how frustrating it was when I just wanted to cruise in a fuel-efficient manner but instead got repeatedly kicked in the tailpipe by the bike surging forward. The FTR has been on my radar for a while, and many of those downsides I'm willing to overlook for such a cool bike, but I'll wait a bit for Indian for figure their fueling out. I think it's because a lot of manufacturers are trying to work around stricter emission regulations while also making their bikes torque/speed monsters: they neuter the throttle to meet regulations near idle / at low RPMs, but then instantly switch to full force outside of the "regulated throttle zone", which, as a commuter and lazy rider, is really fricking annoying.
Great to see consistent content from you!
Man… what a great review!!! I was contemplating the FTR, the Ducati Hypermotard SP and the Duke 890. I ended up choosing the Hypermotard. I love it but I gotta say the FTR is a gorgeous machine.
I love the look of this bike, it has a similar appeal to me as my svartpilen does
15:45 so Spite, here’s the deal. i’m sure you’re aware of this however my motorcycle and I assume most of modern motorcycles do the same thing. Once I fill up it will say 190 miles till empty. If I ride gently it will all of a sudden say 220 miles till empty. If I start getting on it it will jump down to 180 miles till empty.
Point is, the computer is always calculating range based on how you’re using your right wrist lol. I think they do a very good job at accurately showing you how many miles till empty. it’s just doing it in real time.
Agreed, man - this thing is screaming for a Bronx fight!
I love my '21 FTR Carbon. Plan on daily commuting. Baffles out, suspension adjusted. Rides really nice. Not fussed about fuel "economy"!
Cracking review and that new camera is sharp spite! I asked about direct competition for this bike because it's a question I can't answer either 🤷♂️. I love the styling and that beeefy frame but some of the issues you point out definitely matter to me so this was invaluable to hear. I'm test riding this and a Diavel next week so that should be an interesting comparison.
I was thinking about it while editing, and the Ducati scrambler with the 1200 might be pretty close. Never ridden one though...
How bout the triump rocketeR. But it’s 2.5liter bike lol May be a bit strange?
triumph speed twin is the obvious competition maybe??
To compare, I highly recommend the cheaper, lighter, easier to ride and more comfortable Z900rs which has similar hp and torque specs on a super smooth 4 cylinder. Also upside down forks and great engine breaking from slipper clutch. I get 200+ miles on full tank. And it looks and sounds gorgeous, stock! The other bike I thought of was the Triumph Speed Twin. It also has similar specs coming out of a sweet, high torque parallel twin! Whatever bike you choose, make sure it fits YOU ergonomically like a comfortable shoe. Enjoy and good luck!
@@scottashdown3686 been looking at those Z900RS, they sure are a heck of a lot of bike for the money.
Yo Spite Outstanding review, glad to see you are out there doing what you love to do. Keep up the great work, keep the rubber side up, and keep doing what you love to do. Happy for you.
Sick looking bike. I’m starting to realize what my preference for bikes is. That being naked bikes or standard bikes. Comfort,looks, and performance. This is a awesome exotic that I would only own as a toy lol Right now I’m looking into the z900 or the mt-09 as it’s more budget friendly.
I liked the z900 or h2 the 4cyl makes for such a wide bike though.
I own 2019 FTR1200, and agree with everything Spite says about the bike, (especially the verdict). All the pros and cons are exactly what I think about it too. Best review for this bike that I saw.
This was on the top of my list along with the XSR900 and the z900rs. Its going to be my 45th gift to myself but man that price, despite looking like sex on wheels is a full RC390 more expensive. I have until April to decide and I stll haven't been on a Z yet but $16,000 on the black with the upgrade suspension is kinda nuts. This was super helpful though.
It really does look like sex on wheels 🤣
For what it’s worth, I love my Z900rs for riding the twisties in San Diego. And for me, it corrects all the negatives that Spite addresses: lower price, better comfort/ suspension, 200+ miles for full tank, lighter and easier to ride with upside down forks and great engine breaking out of slipper clutch, and silky smooth 4 cylinder engine! I still love riding it after 22,000 miles 🏍😎
I have a '20 XSR and really loved the looks of the Indian(and the Kawie) but the cost difference and the unknown at the time reliability of the Indian made me go with the XSR. Bang for the buck nothing can touch it. Plus it's almost 100lbs lighter.
I bought it and a agree with all that you said. but I still giggle every time I romp on that throttle and don't regret it at all.. love it..
Hey spite, on the fuel range, it could be an adaptive fuel range meaning it pays attention to how you ride and changes the fuel range estimation to suit. Hence why it can go up and down.
Pretty sure it is adaptive, but the total range is right around 100 miles with "normal" riding, which is impossible to do on and FTR 😂
It defiantly is adaptive. I can get 100 miles of very spirited riding out of mine.
kinda wack, my tuono can get 120-140 with spirited riding and i find that annoying already
I get about a 110-120 miles with very spirited riding, but at least 140 miles with regular riding in standard mode. I try to fill it up with gasoline without ethanol as much as possible. I think that might influence the milage.
This channel is getting exponentially better by the video
This bike is bad to the bone, I'm super impressed with the looks and performance. However after watching your review it becomes clear that even the most desirable bike in many ways isn't necessarily the best bike overall. Great content Spite!
At the end of the day, you gotta get the bike that makes you happiest. I definitely recommend still checking one out if you can
I own a 19 FTR-RR. I run the Lloyd’z V6 tune which smooths out throttle response and improves power/torque. It also removes the speed limiter. As far as the suspension is concerned it is completely adjustable and should be set properly for your weight. I am 6’ - 175 lbs. The tester is 6’4”” and I guess 220-230 lbs. He needs to set it up for his weight. My son-in-law owns an MT09. The performance of these machines is actually very similar. The MT09 is significantly less expensive, however my son-in-law’s MT09 lacks lean angle sensitive traction control. Yes - the FTR will easily wheelie. You can turn wheelie mitigation on/off from the touch screen. I love the look, sound and characteristics of V-twins. The FTR is completely different than metric sport bikes in a very good way. Ride one and you will understand.
Spite I have the Absolute upmost respect for you! And u being the man u r thru all the BS that happened. But I just don't understand how you even mention that losers channel in ur vlogs!
I don't think I would even be mentioning that channel if I was in your shoes. But I guess that's another reason y we love you.
Onward and upward. I've got no hard feelings.
@@spitescorner and honestly that's the best path for you brother!
That is also the reason you are the only channel I have jumped on the patreon.
Keep doing you spite!
OVER 77,000 subs. Even when I cannot watch the latest video until later, I like to keep checking-in, just to see the next INCREASE in subs. YES!
I'm feeding the algorithm. No need to reply.
But I will anyway 😃
Thanks ShiftyBrisket, your camera donation has definitely been noticed in the improved video quality.
You and Whitney would make a nice duo on this channel...If only you could lure her to escape Yammie's dungeon and join Spite's Corner...Just sayin'...(Mu Ha Ha Ha Ha)
Stay tuned 😉
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Your content is on point and the topics you choose for your videos are genuinely interesting. Keep it up and you'll without a doubt become one of the biggest Motorcycle youtubers.
Add some fiber to your diet...
I tested this bike about a year ago, and i expected to love it. I'd had my eye on getting one since the first model year was announced! Like you, i thought it was a great bike, but i just didn't LOVE it. It was a bit of a let down. The leg room was definitely an issue for my 34" inseam, comfortable for the half hour i had it, but i could see it being annoying riding all day. It's pretty, and it's fun, but at that price it needs to check all the boxes.
I am really enjoying your content, being unhindered by the other channel is a good thing, they were dumbing you down!
Definitely want this as my next bike. Test rode one with their demo truck and just confirmed this is my dream bike!
I have a ‘19 FTR 1200S with the 18/19” wheels, as god intended. Anyway, I love the bike. I’m not a super sporty rider, but it handles great for my purposes and is so damn fun and quick as Spite says here. Plus … plus … it is absolutely beautiful. I think it, in the right trim, is one of the most perfect motorcycles ever designed for curbside beauty.
Oh, and yes, the suspension is tough, even without the Ohlins version. I keep meaning to experiment with the clickers, but I never get around to it. When I get near it I just want to RIDE.
Mine does not have the rear cylinder deactivation, so yes it will cook your inner thighs, esp the right one. I just try to think of it as a seat heater when the weather turns cool ;-)
As to what is its closest competition. Nothing current, but the Moto Guzzi Griso comes to mind as a possible competitor at least WRT style and intent, IMO.
Enjoying the slow-mo cornering clips. Gives a good idea of the bike and rider interaction during a turn.
Brilliant assessment of this motorcycle. I have this exact same bike . All of your praise and gripes are spot on. The jerky throttle tip in can be remedied by a tune from Lloyd’s garage. The range isn’t horrible but filling the tank is a total pain in the ass. Overall I absolutely love my bike. I commute it 6 months of the year. I have put 8k on the odometer
Really great review. I think the "I love it, but I don't love it" line really sums up the review nicely.
Already over 75k subscribers!!! Awesome. Now let's get you to 100k by the end of the year!!! Great content and solid information for riders and new riders.
I'm here before a 100k subscribers.. your screen presence is why I became a fan..you have come a lonnng way..looking forward to seeing you WIN my brother... Subscribed!!
Own an FTR1200S and I agree with all of your points.
It's amazing honestly. I can ride 5 hours and not feel pain, and wheelie like nothing. Very fun as a commuter and stunt bike.
However yeah, I agree. The clutch is so insane that I stalled it first time riding it. Normal motorcycles have more give before it wants to go, the FTR does not. Standard or rain mode, it just want to take off. On clear roads? Love it. Bumper to Bumper traffic? Nope.
It takes some getting used to, and it's very easy to lane filter in California, but unless you are ready to deal with that power it isn't a good bike.
WE LOVE SPITE WE DO! KEEEEEP IT GOING. Im so happy to see you do your own thing.
I have a 22 FTR with the 17s, I just put a downsized 43 tooth sprocket and it improves the commutability. Makes cruising speeds more livable while still keeping a lot of acceleration.
Love the vids Spite. In Ironing out the jerky throttle on my Z900RS, found the cause was the injectors were completely closing when off throttle (among other things). Essentially, the engine was turning itself off when you close the throttle. So, when you crack the throttle back open, the injectors open again, and the engine essentially fires back up. This causes that jerky feeling. I assume it's the same case with a lot of these modern bikes with jerky on/off throttle feel.
This is supposedly a part of how a lot of these manufacturers are meeting the extremely strict emissions requirements we have today. It's really unfortunate that they have to make the bikes in such a way that hurts your confidence and sometimes become outright dangerous if you are really pushing it and roll back on throttle hard at corner exit. Fortunately, it's easily fixed with a tune.
I sat on one for the first time today. It felt comfy. What ive taken from this sprockets and suspension tweaks would make this a nice all around bike for me.
My '05 Buell XB12SCG with the factory race ECM and pipe put out about 113 HP and 100+ ft bls of torque and was the same kind of fun to ride. It handled great and I could go through canyons and leave it in 3rd or 4th and never have to shift much. It could also do a burnout from a dead stop in 5th gear. Not starting in 1st and shifting to 5th, starting in 5th. That front brake worked really good for that. Back in '05 my Buell was $10,495 so in todays dollar I guess $17k doesn't seem too bad for this bike. I did have to add my own carbon fiber on the Buell.
Don’t bother mentioning your old traitor boss’s channel, he’s not worth a mention. Keep up the great work Spite, I’m loving your new content! As someone who’s brand new to motorcycling and just got his licence, I’m so glad I can gain great knowledge from you. Thanks for your hard work!
Woah your POV setup is smooth as butter. Makes the riding vids that much more satisfying to watch
Love the progress you've made on the channel!
I'd say the closet competitor to the FTR is the Sportster S, at least on paper. This bike looks a lot better between the two though.
The camera quality improvement is definitely noticeable, so a big HELL YEAH to Shifty Brisket.
Really great improvement thanks!
I have a friend who's been riding some serious bikes for years, like an old Ducati and a screaming MV Agusta Brutale, and, while I "get" that it's a person's own business whether they want to spring-for a bike that'll exceed 170 mph, or-so, from a realistic point of view, doesn't it make a lot-more "USABLE" sense to have a bike that is QUICK, down-at the speeds that you could more-responsibly be using, on the street?
Look at the FUN that Spite is registering, when he opens-up and zooms from 50-to-70, "in NO time," while the dashboard numerals were so large that we could all SEE the numbers mount! Just saying that you have a motorcycle has a top-end that is close to Escape Velocity makes a lot less sense than the usable FUN you could have, on bike that's more like THIS one.
100% agree. Most true sport bikes have a power range that just isn't fun or even usable on public streets. It isn't fun to take a bike that's designed to spin at 10k+ RPMs to hit it's powerband and cruise around town on it.
There's a reason a lot of people like HDs - because even though they're generally "slow", the instant torque and low RPM powerbands are pleasurable if you don't care to speed and race. A lot of comment warriors on the internet (and youtube especially) live to compare spec sheets, but specs don't always outline a real-world experience.
Something like an FTR or a Sportster S is kind of a nice mix of both worlds. More than enough grunt to be livable daily, but also has some top-end as well, more than enough power to go from 0-reckless driving in a matter of seconds and keep up with near anyone as long as they aren't going full stupid.
Me? I like having a little juice, but I have no desire to get into, let alone well into, the triple digits pretty much ever.
My favourite FTR is the Mk1 with the round dial and no fancy modes. It's all you need. I also like the flat track wheel sizes. I'd never buy an FTR due to the weight [although it's carried low], the petrol tank size and mpg figure. I have an old Buell XB12X Ulysses - 1202cc, lighter than the FTR, 100 bhp and great torque. It isn't much slower than the FTR.
Great review, great channel. Fast becoming one of my favourites. I'm glad you're going solo now.
I had the chance to ride this for a little bit a few months ago, and WOW is this a fun bike! Absolutely crazy torque ad it's just begging you to wring it out. So much fun, and it's really interesting to see a bike that doesn't actually have any real direct competition.
78k already that's awesome I'm glad you can do this!
Dude those b-roll shots of the bike were CRISP
I do agree with you Spite regarding quick and fast.
I own an old SV1000 K3 naked and love that bike. It's not 'fast' but it's quick.
That thing has enough torque to pull the moon out of orbit and jumpstart our sun - at the same time.
I'm hugely in love with the original Vmax but they way to expensive as a 1st bike, so I went for a V2 one-litre bike as my first choice with humble 124hp.
I own the SV1000 since April and I love that bike - everytime I am on it, and thats actually a lot, I just grin.
A usual day consist of at least 200mls sometimes even 300mls in the saddle and rain doesn't bother me so much to be honest, so 'bad' weather doesn't put me off.
If you ever decide to review 'old' bikes what are not Harley, the 1st Gen Vmax, what in my opinion started all the "muscle-bikes" - would be great to hear your opinion on that one.
There a ton of reviews of the 2nd gen because it made it into the Ghostrider moves, but the real raw deal is the Vmax 1200 in my opinion.