Porsche 911 3.2 Carrera Club Sport Review - The Best Driver's Car Nobody Bought?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ธ.ค. 2020
- Today I am driving a 911 Club Sport. A special version of the 3.2 Carrera designed for the niche track day market of the 1980s. Sold in small numbers simply because nobody cared about them, the 3.2 Club Sport has gone on to become a cult classic - but is it really that good?
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I came for the Mclaren bad-service-talk and stayed for the car reviews. One of only 2 reviewers I still listen to.. Great stuff!!!
Jm is good. Who is the other you listen to?
Seriously? I can’t identify, I came for Anti-Tavarish car reviews, stayed for them, enjoyed every minute except the moment he met Tavarish, on that day I cried
Giggity
@@Fee.1 It pains me to see J smiling with that toolbag in the thumbnail, and I'll never click it. I dislike that character, a ton, but hey, J does deserve any positive attention he can get from a "famous" utuber. Me too, actually. I need to collab with someone, HAHA
@@samlovescars34 agree 100%
“It’s a philosophical debate… in lap dancing club. Cultured… educated… but a bit wild and silly too.” JayEmm, you sir, have outdone yourself. That line alone is worth its weight in all the 911 3.2 Club Sports made, including its glory.
After your Porsche" week" it would be nice if Porsche UK arranged a 2.7RS for you to review😉
What a great review - you've really brought to life just how special this car is. I am super lucky to own one (about 12 years now), and it is my favourite 911 for road driving, bar none (996 RS for track use). A couple of very small points - all the engines were indeed blueprinted (it wasn't an option), but as you righty say, they typically put out 228-235 bhp. The engine had one technical change over standard - sodium filled valves. The list price when new was actually slightly less than a standard Carrera - oh how I wish that was today's pricing regime! And finally, very late cars (like mine - Aug' 89), came with Boge dampers rather than Bilstein, but to the same specification. Anyhow, thank you again for one of the best review of this car I've ever seen! Here's a little clip of my car being driven about 9 years ago....(not quite as professionally done as you JayEmm!) - th-cam.com/video/Ew8DfRu5-yU/w-d-xo.html
how is the CS in the wet ?
I just can't believe the quality of James's content. It's as good as I've seen anywhere, or better. The only thing lacking here is the 200k views they deserve. I don't see others providing this sort of detail on the cars and how they make you feel. Amongst the traditional auto journalists there seems to be an obsession with 0-60 times and lap times, as if that's the best way to chose your performance car. It clearly isn't. A drive across the Scottish glens and did it put a smile on your face and did you get out of the car "happy". That's what it's all about.
By a country mile you are the most varied motoring content provider on this Tube. You seem to pick all the cars we've forgotten but would love to see and learn about. Top work Mr ☺️
I love these old club sports !
I would definitely have one in my collection ( if I won the lottery!)
Really enjoyed your porsche week ,especially as it’s been filmed up here in Scotland 🏴👍🏻
I had one for 2 years & sold it on 2006 to pay for a 996 GT3. Regardless of value the CS was a truly fabulous car - beautiful to drive and beautiful to look at .
I remember the period reviews of these being lukewarm probably because the press were expecting another 2.7 RS. I however loved it especially as it was the first new 911 to be released during my time as a petrolhead. Time however he as been kind to it and it's now a true classic.
What was special about the 2.7 RS? The motor?
@@Fee.1 www.supercars.net/blog/porsche-911-carrera-rs-2-7/
@@Fee.1 960 kgs + 208 hp + 152 mph and 0-60 in 5.6 sec. It was the homologation basis for the RSR 2.8. That was 280hp and 800kg stripped out special. No rear seats, no carpit, no nothing. 170 mph + and 0-60 in 4.6 secs.... way back in the 1970s. Even faster than the Turbo with 260hp and 1200kg. Only 55 RSR 2.8 were made and 1000 RS 2.7. They fetch well over 100,000,000 roubles these days. 100 million for a car. Think about that.
The iconic 911 shape for me and the one that started my love of cars.
Just finished watching the 944 video there and noticed you uploaded this 2 hours ago!! Saturday afternoon spent well!! Have a good xmas Jayemm👍
Merry Christmas
Thanks for the review JayEmm and glad that you enjoyed your brief time behind the wheel in Glenshee. Petra (the CS) is indeed a great car to drive; a real joy on the right roads or on the track.
Lovely car mate! Your daughter is unbelievably lucky to be getting that!
I should really ask for a go in the passenger seat sometime! Feeling left out now 😁
@@caitie961 You'd be welcome anytime once this Covid thing is subdued....
Excellent . While other youtubers feign complete praise for the cars they drive so as not to offend the owners or the dealerships they borrow the cars from, you always give a balanced honest review. Yup, yup
You are being non flippin stop with Porsche week and it’s amazing, thank you!
(Chewing popcorn) Enjoying this week of Porsche content... thanks JayEmm!
This weeks content has been absolutely superb👌
Great video as always... Like the car, everything you need and not a scrap more 😁
It's beauty makes up for any loss of creature comforts. So lovely.
Quality of content keeps increasing video after video. Great job, mate :)
HE IS MY FRIEND LEAVE HIM ALONE BARATH YOU CANT COME INTO THE CLUBHOUSE WITHOUT THE PASSWORD!!
(Do you know the password?)
Love it and love the Porsche week
Top content and quality reviews
It just leaves me sad that I can’t afford an air cooled 911
I love your 80s animation work. Oh and the 911CS too.
binge watching all your porsche videos. love that marque.
Thank you Jay! I remember a friend telling me about this car back in 89 when we were in High School. He spoke of it in hushed, reverent tones, claiming it was so stripped down for weight that the passenger seat was deleted. Obviously he was mistaken, it was the rear seats. Great to see it in the flesh!
I saw this at the 1988 motor show. Love the simplicity of shape. Was never in the correct place to buy one when they were cheap £30k) one that got away. Chris Harris had one and keeps talking about it.
Keep them going... beautiful cars. Timeless
Great video one of my dream era's of Porsche like you say in your video the prices of air-cooled porsche are stratus Vedic
Top stuff as usual
got to love an old 911!
Nice review
If the quirks and imperfections of a car make you laugh while saying it's a good driving experience that is a fun car. I miss my modified aircooled beetle.
You sound just like schmee150, but your voice belongs to a better presenter, more down-to-earth, truer petrolhead for the everyman. Thanks for some great car reviews.
JM...you are the modern, thinking man’s, sober and pre going daft, Jeremy Clarkson. The words without the show...the inspiration, the literary ability, the humour, the sharp comment available like a Japanese knife, the warmth and understanding that relates to the loyal viewer. Thank goodness you have not got a garage with a selection of Lamborghini in ten colours nor a £5M “Man Cave” filled with electronic AI generated effects and a blown up V12 XJS engine as a weird coffee table. No...you are an enthusiast, able to engage us, to be sharply honest and to tell us what owning a V7 Roadbouncer GTSXLR is really like! Keep going..many thousands like you a lot!!!😃😃😃😃😃
I can never remember 3.2 's being worthless........CS is a beauty Lord Beans should invest !
👍👍up to the owner for using it.
Love that road and the opening driving shot, looked... tasty 🤣
Beautiful car, beautiful scenery.
I kept the sunroof the electric windows and just fitted an 5.7LS turbo motor in mine it makes over 200 BHP on the wheels at 1000 RPM 270BHP at 2000 RPM then I need to nurse the clutch , its more fun than I thought it would be , good video always nice to watch !
What a waste!! ANY Porsche engine is better than such an old fashioned lump of poo that the LS is.
You are getting good at this car review thing 👍
Ta very much
That’s the best car you’ve reviewed. Got the lot, heritage, performance and desirability. Oh and it looks the part too.
I had the same seats in linen in my 951. Amazing seats.
Essentially perfect for a useable sports car.
Will manufacturers (and customers) reverse course and return to sensible engineering principles?
I feel like the clock is ticking louder.
Cheers JayEmm beaut review 👍🏼
Great vid Jay. Question for you. Which car do you think you would be faster in around those roads, if you could give them full beans without be cautious. This ClubSport 911 or the ClubSport 968?
Damn right. It’s not about speed, it’s about fee, noise, badge etc etc. Speed just doesn’t matter when it comes to enjoying driving
That steering wheel looks out of place. Great car & exactly how I imagine every air cooled 911 sounds 😎
G'day mate I had to look this up for you:
th-cam.com/video/HMadYY5JQmA/w-d-xo.html
Dickie Meaden, ex-works rally & Le Mans SWB (best 911😉) watch the whole thing but at 5m20s is _exactly_ what a perfect Porsche engine sounds like, inside the car. Sweet as.
Have a good one!
Half the fun of this channel is watching J squeeze himself into these tiny old classics, sometimes it even looks painful. 😂
Love this model.
Sounds glorious
this, in oak green with chocolate brown interior... 😌
A correctly set up G body 911 is something very special to drive, you don’t need to spend £150k to get 80% of what James is describing about the clubsport.
Brilliant assessment. A philosophy discussion while getting a lap dance pretty much sums it up. I have the base 3.2 from 1989 which I have tweaked to be closer to a CS and I couldn’t agree more. The chassis isn’t as developed or refined as a 964 or 993 but this is the last of the original 911 chassis with all the pros and cons. Minimalist and the engine flung all the way in the back. Don’t respect it on a wet road and it will bite you. Ask me how I know.
On a more personal note I’ll echo a sentiment which was commented in your 355 video. Your commentary has a Clarkson-esqe wit and literary breadth before he went all laddish and awry. Keep up the excellent work mate.
Thankyou very much
These cars have such much character.
A Christmas special my favourite cars and why
I think my favourite Porsche of all time! I am very slightly jealous :-)
"A philosophical debate in a lap-dancing club." - Nice :D
Epic!
You really get confident quickly (2:40) driving those old timers.
Painted Fuchs are fantastic.
Great video.
What is amazing is that a 230hp or so car is "mega"....I agree fully and the need for cars to have 700hp is just silly...you can drive a 230 or 300hp car full tilt and have a lot of fun (and not die).
Keep up the work and thank you. If you cannot get a real 2.7RS perhaps you can get a 'retromod' that is close.
th-cam.com/video/UXNGs2DgYt0/w-d-xo.html ,
Stunning car, you should approach Maxted-Page for a 2.7, they may have one?
Do you prefer the steering in this or in the 944 S2 you showed yesterday? That's exactly right about "take care of the inheritance" and "please do give the car a good and proper thrashing." Both are part of good regular classic Porsche maintenance.
Nice car, Amazing road! Where is it?
Was hoping to see some car.
Everything's great apart from the lack of Rustproofing!
I wonder what stopped them stripping off the safety equipment?
Interesting review Sir. I remember when these Clubsport versions came out. I think Porsche had a brainwave in 88 of charging folk more for giving them less. Remember tho, during that time they were planning on it's replacement, the 964. I love the 3.2 Clubsport Carrera, for it's simplicity, no electric windows, but the lack of under body corrosion a big crazy one to not tick that box on the order sheet. I have a 1984 3.2 Carrera, also in white. I have spent loads on her, including losing weight with 964RS door cards and lots lots more, so I would say I have a 911 99% as good as any 1988 Clubsport 3.2, but with the additional factory underbody protection.
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@@skkh5108 And what the fuck is this rubbish?
would love a comparison to a standard g50 3.2 given the are half as expensive thx jay
Got to love Porches 911’s would welcome anyone to say otherwise. My fav is the 993 turbo from bad boys!! One day I will have my very own 911
That was a 964 not a 993.
My favorite porsche.. Sadly made of unobtainium.
I've kinda been born too late to get any of these cool cars. xD
I can remember in 1980 you could buy E type jag for not much money
What about reviewing the best 911 ever made the 993 turbo?. Now that would be worth watching.👍
I am pretty sure This CS should have 8" x 16s Fuchs rather then these 7s like this one on the rear. Deep dish type. Very cool car none the less.
Lovely
Also no passenger side sunvisor :)
The Clubsport was cheaper than the standard car by around £3K I believe!
Hi James, what is the road name you are driving in? I’m in Scotland in the new year and want to drive this road, cheers Mark
luv the car. dont understand people who by those things and not drive them, cars are not made to sit there and be just looked at. they were made for driving else things go wrong.
Just what you need in a Porsche or indeed any car of this vintage,'reduced anticorrosion treatment',I've heard that like it's cousin,the V.W. Beetle,they can look good until you start taking off the panels and find out what lurks beneath........😨
The only reason I didn't buy one is because I couldn't afford it.
Stripping out a load of "essential wiring" seems a little extreme. Haha
I thought that..
I had many 911's in the 70"s and Eighties
From a targa to a kremer cabrio
Most were damaged in the front '
Due to not enough weight over the
Front axles
Great in the dry '
Lethal In The wet '
Over hypted '
And over priced due to Nostalgia
Thank god I had my fill in the Era .
I bougth my 1988 911 CS in the year 1994.
The best of the week, although a pointless car, recall when new wondered why anyone would buy one in boring white with no kit, however now seems like a classic. Unlike the 968 CS which was much cheaper than a standard the 911CS was nearly the same price although don't think it was exactly the same.
I'm assuming the opening driveby was by the owner as he was giving it some beans :)
The scenary has made these Porsche films even better.
Yep!
I hope petrol/diesel cars don't get completely banned unless it's electric. Would be a real shame. Most people will switch to electric over time but enthusiasts will still be out there driving petrol cars. I don't think the classic car market will be effected, it makes too much money, it is a multi-billion pound industry after all.
petrol-engined cars may go down the same route horses did: a hobby for the wealthy. Which will allow many of us to continue to enjoy cars, yet it will destroy one of the great qualities of car culture - it is quintessentially democratic, the joy of every man.
Diesel cars need to go - They stink and pollute your lungs - Classic's should be allowed as low mileage per annum.
@@MagicAyrtonforever
There's no need to regulate the mileage of classic cars, in fact there is no need to ever ban a certain group of cars (e. g. those with Euro 5 emission standards): when cars reach a certain age, most are exported and / or scrapped, and the few remaining ones have little to no environmental impact due to their low number and yearly mileage.
@@X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X It would be a shame if it was priced out of normal peoples price range. At the moment anyone can realistically afford a petrol car even some rare old classics are still affordable. And even some high performance petrol cars are still affordable.
I think petrol will still be available, at extortionate prices.
how does this car compare with datsun 240z for you?
10:10 Pretty much anything with a Petrol Engine and a Manual Gearbox is only going to be going up and up and up in value.
I would add 2 doors and RWD. I recently saw and old pickup truck that sold for good money
To shave 60 kg of my 911...I drive it alone.
I think it looks the business.
Is this the same chassis as the 930?
Could you do a review of a MK5 golf r32 please.
Already filmed one - just not released it yet :)
Can’t wait to see it 😊
You have to love light weight models. They charge you a lot more and give you less. And how much mass are you saving by using manual locks anyway? Somewhat absurd
Which road is the footage taken on?
Where is that lovely countryside?
I don’t think they’ll ever ban the petrol car. Just stop producing new ones and make the old ones crazy expensive to run. They’ll be weekend toys for the rich
I think they would have sold more if the price tag would have been higher…
Just wish I had 140k!!!!!!!
With these classic 911's its not about "Performance" figures (top speed & 0-60): its the chassis feel, steering & stopping power all combined to make it an experience. That & the legendary engineering, build quality hand assembled limited build runs which marks them out over a modern Porsche product: mass produced, built to a budget with VW Audi Group parts behind the bodywork & the unforgivable engineering mistakes afflicting the M96 engine cars. That's why a final production 993 sold in 1998 is still around the £60K of its original price while what was a "new Porsche generation" 996 can be picked up for £12k or even less.
What’s with Porsche And 9’s
Anyone know which road(s) this was filmed on please?
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The only 911 i've ever actually wanted, but without the whale tail
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