The Porsche 964 RS Touring Review - Rare, Expensive & Desirable - But Is It Good?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ธ.ค. 2020
- Today I am driving a Porsche 964 RS Touring. One of only seven right hand drive examples and likely the only one in black, this is a very rare car. The RS has become a legendary moniker in the Porsche world, beginning with the fabled 1973 Carrera RS.
This was later followed by the 3.2 Carrera Club Sport, but the next official RS was this 964. Nowadays you'd pay the same as a new 911 GT3 RS for one of these, so is it that good?
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We inspected that car for the owner before he bought it. It was bloody lovely and its gone to a great home!
Are you based in Scotland? I run the local Porsche Club and it would be great to have reliable inspectors on our radar :D always being asked to support purchases.
@@caitie961 we're based in Bucks. I usually recommend SP Autobahn for any jobs up north.
Clues in the name- you don't fk around eh 🤣
To me that's all the supercar I would ever want, usable power and sounds brilliant!
The intro tune makes me think I'm gonna be watching an episode of The Rockford Files... showing my age! Love the channel and the cars you get to drive.
NINE SIX FOUR
I’m so happy the 964 is more and more loved*
*loved so much that I will never afford one. Thanks.
This is like the Kirk Lazarus of 964s.... "I'M THE CARRERA, TURNED INTO AN RS, BACK TO A CARRERA!"
I think if Porsche says an engine is blueprinted, it is.
I turned down a Rubystone red RS at £26k a number of years ago. No thanks, I mean, who would want an old pink Porsche, right? 😩
Oh man. Sorry for your loss..
@@augustortiz magazine road tests of the time didn’t rate it and i found it extremely harsh on the road. I don’t regret not buying it as a car but as an investment, it wasn’t a good decision.
I sold mine for 20K in 2004..
@@markbroadheaf1593 Ouch!
@@SRT54 Yep but on the plus side I bought a 200BHP Caterham.
The 964 has always been my preferred 911 and I’ve owned 4 of them thus far. Great video! Love it!
I like them better than the beloved 993. I don't get all the 993 love actually. It seems bandwagon-y.
Hi I bought my 964rsl back in 1999 for £25,000 and I owned it for 11years. The lhd RSL is way more desirable and pure than a RST. The RSL is so much lighter than the touring. No power steering or air con with 17 inch magnesium wheels it was not needed. Incredible brakes from le Mans race car .....
Basically Porsche started at the back of a standard 964 and worked their way to the front and removed weight. There is virtually no comparison to the the Touring.
After selling my RSL I left sports cars for 10 years. I have just bought a Honda S2000 another very special sports car!
There's something very satisfying just watching the boot spoiler extend at 08:22
And those roads look amazing!
I’m really enjoying the Porsche week. I wasn’t a fan growing up but enjoy finding the appreciation of how they drive vicariously.
Just love the mixture of cars you have James. 964RS is my dream 911.
260 bhp in such a small /light car is enough on a British B Road. Any more and you get in trouble very fast and without exploring the rev range. My old Cupra r with 225bhp was perfect and always fun compared to my newer cars with 400bhp and more.
If I ever had a chance to buy a RS, the only colors I'm not too keen about (but I won't mind) are white and silver. I'll take Ruby Stone anytime because it's just such a crazy color.
Since new, the 964 has been my favourite 911. All who drive the RS seem to agree that it's far more than the sum of its parts.
Thanks for your excellent videos! Love it.
i drove the 964 RS thinking that it would be a revelation but I guess the lack of power steering made it a very cumbersome drive on any village 90 degree bend. it's fine at speed but compared to say a 997 GT3 I would never say that the older car is the purer one. it might be great for some but I think it's somewhat overrated. I think everyone should drive one and decide for themselves. For me the 997 GT3 has one of the best steering feel ever and is the sweet spot between the aircooled and the "larger" wheelbase cars such as 991 & 992.
997 is my favorite gen Porsche and the best water cooled Porsche.
Back when 964’s were £20k a pop we had great fun piloting a 4S over the moors. Felt more than the quoted 250bhp and sounded just gorgeous over 4K revs. Word was the 250bhp was measured at the wheels by Porsche....
Dunno how true that is!
Good shout on the Rubystone, James, I've always been a sucker for the Maritime Blue myself
I’ve seen exactly one of each of those colors in my life. Both lived up to expectation on a beauty standpoint.
Love it, really enjoying porsche week 👌
Instant click! Good God, are those lines just perfect or what? The 911 of my adolescence in its purest form.
The 964 shapes are fuckin beautiful man favourite shape by far!
Love the data screen you brought up! Please keep doing this
I still have the Car and Drive issue with the lightweight road test. Awesome vehicle.
Great video also Jay. 👍
All 911's go in and out of favour over time. It just goes to prove what a wonderful thing any 911 is. You just can not go wrong. I get so much joy just starring at my girl whilst she sits out these horrible short wet dark winter days in storage. Spring can not come soon enough. Lovely video. Some amazing scenery.
Mind the sheep 😂 love it. Cracking video as always mate and a proper cracking car. Keep it up mate seriously good video
Nice video, I was having a bad day the other day. Keep up the good work.
Great video jay and one of my all time fav the 964
Always an interesting car on this channel.
Interesting comparison James! The Touring is definitely closer to my car than the full (non) fat ‘LHD RS LWT’. You should probably seek one out for a further comparison. The driving position in LHD is also very different in these...
Love the 964 great video ! Hopefully you can get your hands on the rsr one day
Thanks Roland!
My favourite 911 and what a great location!
It's all about the seam welding, suspension, and ability at the limit. So driving it nowhere near the limit is pointless. A standard Carrera makes more sense. A shad shame these are now so expensive that no one drives them near the limit. I had a colleague who had one as a track weapon 20 years ago. LOTS of fun.
If I remember correct the RS-engine has a titanium conrods, wider angle cams and some other parts from the Cup-engine.
I drove a fully restored beautiful 964 in the Dolomites last year and tbh it just drive like an old car... it looked stunning and I might consider buying it on looks alone, but the clutch was heavy, brakes useless, steering didn’t do much, power was pretty pathetic etc etc... my wife loved it though :)
Love the 964. Last of the true classic shape 911. I’ll be buying an RS when my lotto win comes in.
I don't know for this Porsche, but engine blueprinting is a thing amongst dealer cars and press cars. I'm really into M3 E36s and I have known a couple of them which were surprinsingly powerfull. About 340/350hp in stock configuration. For a 321hp n/a car. One turned out to be a press car fully speced options wise, and the other one was BMW Paris's main dealer's car. Both had a Motorsports ECU, tuned by BMW specifically for the cars. My mechanic told me he believes the sets of pistons and rods have substancial difference in weights from the factory, and the the clearances and tolerances can be made better that OEM. Thus explaining how a carefully hand assembled engine, with selected parts, and bespoke tuning could have slightly more power.
72 bhp per litre, that’s really surprising.
And yet, it’s arguably one of the best driver’s cars ever.
The shape is very quintessential 911.
Of course I think the 997 is the best looking 911... that I can afford!
;-)
I never knew they made a touring RS the standard RS doesn’t have that hoop on the rear vented panel, I’ve never seen that before. My dad had a Porsche dealership till the early 90s and had a few 964s as a company car, brings back many memories.
The A93 south of Braemar is a wonderful bouncy road to drive on.
Great! I wonder whether a standard 964 C2 would be a nicer car to drive all the time.
Those seats are amazing!
Great, now I want to drive the 964 but there's salt everywhere. Good job Jay!
964s are my favorite 911s...911 bodyline in it's full glory.
If you move to the Highlands and keep driving roads like that you can probably take on Matt Farrah's The Smoking Tire with your car reviews.
Danny Cummings
4 minutes ago
Love your videos. I was lucky enough to get to drive a 964 RS shortly after they came out and it was sensational !
But I would so like your take on the 993 RS. Please make it happen as I’m sure that I’ll never get to drive one ?
Many thanks
Danny
My dream car, absolutely love it, I would love the chance to drive one especially on roads like that.
Please dont laugh at this, but the handling and poise, not necessarily outright power and torque, but the way they flow and handle, and are a joy to behold, to me that is so very similar to the renault clio rs cars, my own personal experience is in a 197 cup, I'm no keke Rosberg but there are similarities right?
well, the 197 will have to do anyway! 🤣👍
Nice flowy vid this one
Nice review...nice car. 'Engine over the rear axle'....that's always scared me! I dont have much experience with RWD cars, certainly not with anything remotely powrrful. I'd have major anxieties driving that....but I also have no perspective.
Also, I've always said, a car is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it!
serial porsche offender here - a 964 C2 manual in guards re was my first 911 back in 2000 - what a car and i paid less than £20k - sort of regret selling it after only a year but i wanted and HAD to have a 993 C4 manual in Polar silver - its a better car than a 964 but not by as much as some would have you think. thanks for a great vid.
Wow, it looks so so good, I want one..
Thanks to the 2.7RS, every other aircooled RS is always going to equal big money. Still though what a car. Understated and potent.
Reckon you could track down a review a 993 gt2? Or a 930 turbo?
In the mid 1990s when grey imports from Europe were all the rage you could easily find an LHD RS for sub £20k, a regular C2/C4 would be around £16k. When they were launched the UK magazines sleighted them as being too firm, too noisy and pointless. Hence why they were cheap and unloved for a time. More evidence why the current journalists vs 'influencers' debate is relevant
you're right James, Rubystone is the correct colour.
James. You could do Spender spoof, think may have been a 993 tho.
Seems like you found some pretty special cars up in Glenshee! Great road, shame about the surface in a lot of places.
I prefer a 964 Carrera 4 in white with white wheels, thank you.
Passed a gorgeous silver 964 Carrera RS a fortnight ago.
Very nice car
To think that I remember reading a Car magazine article on one of their writers who purchased an RS for less than £20k.. it's absurd.. Old 911 values are softening though.. not all obviously!
Was the 2.7 RS motor special? I never hear much about them except their prices
What a machine 😎
Porsches are simply the ultimate
For me, the 930 (especially the yellowbird) and 964 best-looking 911s ever (also have a soft spot for 996 although people hate the front of it)
The Yellowbird wasn't a 930.
@@martinogold sorry, my bad.
As I Googled 964 rst, I found an auction of that exact car from 2017, but i can't find a price, maybe it's still up? But I don't think so
I, like many others, held the 993 in the highest regards but I too have come around to the 964 being the peak. The styling has aged MUCH better than the 993.
993 is kinda bland in the looks department. Could never get into them.
Fantastic car..despite the colors of central part of seats
Great review,brilliantly put about 911 pricing,it's something that can't be ignored and has an overbearing presence when reviewing a 911,I get the feeling that with every 911 from the very beginning,they'd be beyond fantastic but then the price ogre rears it's ugly head and they're merely "very good",I think like all these prestige brands,the price is adversely affected by investors that don't really give a damn about the cars themselves leaving a handful that are willing to pay the price because they love the car.
Jay you’ve picked the wrong 964 RS. In RHD they have power steering more weight and nothing like a LHD car. More a C2 with mods
Porsche 911's are ahead of their time in terms of engineering and that you can see it today after 30yrs.
Love these. Why are they so expensive 😭
I think the perfect power for a 964 is around the 300hp mark
Love Touring models. THAT spoiler on the spoiler. Supercool. Superb stance.
The standard 64RS damping is awful on the road. Great on the track though raced mine for 2 years.
how does the car compare to a Carrera 2? Is the steering different? Sound? Engine, clutch, gearbox shift? Seats any good? what are you comparing this too?
Been too long since I drove a stock C2
I remember when everyone hated!!! The 964.
Jay’s reviewing a car on the Forza Horizon 4 map
I was thinking the same thing!
He won't show us the drift run he had earlier
I wish my 992 sounded like that...
I’ve owned 3 911’s ( 72 / 87 / 2010 )
Really good cars but 100% agree not worth anyway near the current prices
So which one has Richard Meaden of Evo fame got?
James/Others. What does an RS 964 value at.
If I ever buy a Porsche, it will be this one
The lightweight or basic will feel like a different car to this one. Lack of power steering and the reduced weight see to that. The seats in the touring were from the 959 i believe. There is at least one lightweight car with a touring/959 passenger seat , spec'd from the factory !
The 964 for me is the quintessential 911.
for me.
For me.
Never mind what other people say, which 911 would you say is for you?
That is Driving FUN you can never get in a modern heavy car loaded with ton of electronics and mandatory safety devices...Here it is just you and mechanics of the machine...
I had a 91 carerra 4 in 2005 paid 16k for it nice car but found it not really suitable for everyday and kids sold for 14k after 1 year and engine went bang was off road for 4 mths waiting for spares so dodged a bullet really.Dont regret it though must be worth a fortune now
Is this the new one? /s
hehe had to make that joke, but looks really good in black tbf
Amethyst pearl is the colour! The 964 is thee Porsche for me
I really hope it only costs £20.00
That's a 2 with many noughts, right?
Nearly bought a 964 RS lightweight for £30k in 2004
I'm struggling to understand why your subscriber count in creeping and not flying upwards. I can't help but notice that sub count has slowed down since you hit 100k mark.
Man u gotta care for urself. We need more reviews
Good car, right weight and size. But the price.... horrible
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Argh! No wacky shirt! Are you feeling alright???
Hmmm...values..I remember so many tired, bubbly, shabby and regularly crashed 911’s that lurked around in auction halls trying to get £5/7000 from those daft enough to buy such piles of trouble. That was around 20 years ago..and the impression has never left me...but the prices have! I never wanted one then and I wouldn’t want one of those old wrecks now...but fully restored, rebuilt engines, rust removed...maybe that makes a difference...but I will take a new one please..old Porsches never worked for me with that awkward clutch pedal. 😐😐😳🙂🙂
Such a proper sports car. Just wanted to say proper when Brits are in the chat.
Didn’t watch the video, but Jay I will never forget that you said that the 718 gts 4.0 is not good enough. lol. WHY THE F WOULD I EVER LISTEN TO YOU AGAIN.
I might have a unicorn in my pocket for you if the owner is agreeable