He didn't debunk the vegan diet, he pointed out in his opinion the study was flawed as there were other lifestyle changes and you couldn't say it was just the food that caused the improvement. He suggests a different trial where the diet alone could be looked at. Of course he's also looking for a bias towards low carb as that what he and everyone here wants to hear.
I think Dr. Ornish is invested only in his way of living. That’s why his studies don’t focus on just the food. I wonder if his study didn’t include the extra nutrition, lifestyle, change, and coaching what would it show?
Thank you for your elucidation Dr. Scher. Finish did the same thing with his supposedly "groundbreaking* reversal of heart disease a few decades back with the same multilateral protocol which completely obfuscated the effect of diet due to other lifestyle interventions. I hope that you get a chance to conduct a more controlled study as you indicated.
My sister-in-law was an avid follower of Ornish: no fat whatsoever. She struggled with her weight, so she’d skip dinner to have a handful of cookies. She bought many pounds of fruit as her main staple. She died of small-cell carcinoma at the age of thirty-six. And it was a very painful, difficult death. And yeah, she never lost the weight.
I still like Dr. Ornish"s study a lot, it's great they encourage people to do healthy changes. Many people struggle to implement keto and especially when they are vegans, that gives a lot of hope and encouragement. Many people also can not afford professional guidance on ketosis and may suffer from liver disease or be on psychiatric drugs. Thus, this study us very valuable. Of course, we need more studies on keto and other diets, which would eventually crash the psychiatric regime and bring the much needed humane approach to suffering instead of drugging patients with poisons which do not cure anything.
@@idahardy4052There are actually more vegans than you would think. I am doing a vegan ketogenic diet for bipolar, and I’m incredibly honored that Metabolic Mind gave me a Fresh Start Award. Please check out their website which features not only my journey, but my fellow nine award winners. Metabolic Mind is an amazing organization that’s helping so many people who have all kinds of different eating styles.
@@idahardy4052 @elaabel590 I've been doing a vegan ketogenkic diet for bipolar for two years, and it has been a wonderful experience! It was challenging at first because I didn't have Metabolic Mind to turn to for a wealth of resources. I did find the excellent Keto Bipolar (formerly Bipolarcast) podcast. You can learn about my journey on their 23rd episode with hosts Dr. Iain Campbell and Matt Baszucki. I no longer consider my vegan ketogenic diet lifestyle a struggle. Also, as a member of The Vegan Society and Vegan Outreach, I have found there are many vegans worldwide. Take care and all my best to you both!
I don’t think liking the study or not isn’t the issue. The problem is the study doesn’t isolate one factor to compare groups. Vegan diet or keto diet. Mediterranean or keto. When you change more than one factor then you can’t claim your diet actually is what caused the benefit. It’s just science.
Hi Dr. Scher......I have two questions....1. What about the China Study, showing that animal protein is the culprit in disease over generations? Should I go the Hannah Warren route with plant-based ketosis, or just go with the animal source of fat? (Lauren and Matt doing so well) 2. Son with schiz habitually eats sugary carbs. I encourage him to eat a handful of nuts and add MCT oil to his beverages when indulging. Grabbing at straws?
With all do respect, the China study has been debunked and it does not have real proof, only association. It was written with a lot of bias and to convince people of a way of an ideology. Look into Dr. Thomas Siegfried, professor at Boston University. He has been doing intense research on cancer for decades and has been helping many many people.
We would caution against taking the china study as truth. Here are a couple of articles that may lend a broader perspective. chriskresser.com/china-study-debunked-by-new-research/ deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/ In general, adding fatty foods to sugary carbs is unlikely to bring health benefits. The best place for most people to start is getting rid of the sugary carbs rather than adding to them. Many find that following a ketogenic diet helps decrease the cravings for high carb foods. But we know it can be a struggle for some to get there. Sorry if that is the case with your son. Here a a few directories of experienced clinicians who may be able to help if you're able to work with one. www.diagnosisdiet.com/directory thesmhp.org/directory/ www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/doctors nutrition-network.org/find-a-practitioner/
Animal protein is complete and provides the building blocks for growth, cancer or otherwise, but here's a couple of stings in that tail. Plant sources of protein can also be complete. So why would the body know the difference when it comes down to amino acids? Therefore any source of protein, theoretically, causes cancer. Vegans, your rice and beans are not going to save you because you can't have it both ways. You can't bang on about how much protein you can get from plants AND how protective the diet is. What we do know is that cancer adores sugar and carbohydrates which is heavier in a planty diet. Work it out and do some research.
These are precisely the types of trends/facts that need further study. Clearly, we’re missing a great deal from a scientific perspective (thank you Dr Sher, Dr Bredesen, Dr Perlmutter, et al), and need to focus on root cause. Not blame genetics, and rely on pharmaceuticals that don’t help, ignoring metabolic causes/treatments!! 😣😠
I think if qualified health professionals are up in your business getting you to eat and behave better almost any non-poisonous diet will probably yield improvement. The most impressive keto people I see are the ones doing lots of other good things besides keto.
"almost any non-poisonous diet will probably yield improvement" Vegan "diets" ARE poisonous ! Just consider all those phytotoxins! Not to speak about sugar...
@@AnneMB955if someone makes the grand claim that Carnivore cures Alzheimers then it is a reasonable question to ask where is your evidence is for that claim. To throw it back to me and say prove it doesn't is like something a child would say.
@ Oh, wonderful retort. Someone is quite entitled to say Carnivore is best for warding off Alzheimer’s without having to cite studies. It’s their informed opinion. And mine too. Having a dad who died with this affliction, it’s the best chance I have of going a different path. No need for belittling.
Thank you, Dr Scher.
Thank you for debunking the vegan BS!
He didn't debunk the vegan diet, he pointed out in his opinion the study was flawed as there were other lifestyle changes and you couldn't say it was just the food that caused the improvement. He suggests a different trial where the diet alone could be looked at. Of course he's also looking for a bias towards low carb as that what he and everyone here wants to hear.
I think Dr. Ornish is invested only in his way of living. That’s why his studies don’t focus on just the food. I wonder if his study didn’t include the extra nutrition, lifestyle, change, and coaching what would it show?
Thank you for your elucidation Dr. Scher. Finish did the same thing with his supposedly "groundbreaking* reversal of heart disease a few decades back with the same multilateral protocol which completely obfuscated the effect of diet due to other lifestyle interventions. I hope that you get a chance to conduct a more controlled study as you indicated.
Thank you!
My sister-in-law was an avid follower of Ornish: no fat whatsoever. She struggled with her weight, so she’d skip dinner to have a handful of cookies. She bought many pounds of fruit as her main staple. She died of small-cell carcinoma at the age of thirty-six. And it was a very painful, difficult death. And yeah, she never lost the weight.
That's so sad. I'm sorry for your loss x
Ornish young wife of 48 got cancer from consuming the Ornish diet. Ornish is just another slick and clever businessman.
I still like Dr. Ornish"s study a lot, it's great they encourage people to do healthy changes. Many people struggle to implement keto and especially when they are vegans, that gives a lot of hope and encouragement. Many people also can not afford professional guidance on ketosis and may suffer from liver disease or be on psychiatric drugs. Thus, this study us very valuable. Of course, we need more studies on keto and other diets, which would eventually crash the psychiatric regime and bring the much needed humane approach to suffering instead of drugging patients with poisons which do not cure anything.
Ornish has never done a diet only intervention.
There are not very many vegans.
@@idahardy4052There are actually more vegans than you would think. I am doing a vegan ketogenic diet for bipolar, and I’m incredibly honored that Metabolic Mind gave me a Fresh Start Award. Please check out their website which features not only my journey, but my fellow nine award winners. Metabolic Mind is an amazing organization that’s helping so many people who have all kinds of different eating styles.
@@idahardy4052 @elaabel590 I've been doing a vegan ketogenkic diet for bipolar for two years, and it has been a wonderful experience! It was challenging at first because I didn't have Metabolic Mind to turn to for a wealth of resources. I did find the excellent Keto Bipolar (formerly Bipolarcast) podcast. You can learn about my journey on their 23rd episode with hosts Dr. Iain Campbell and Matt Baszucki.
I no longer consider my vegan ketogenic diet lifestyle a struggle. Also, as a member of The Vegan Society and Vegan Outreach, I have found there are many vegans worldwide. Take care and all my best to you both!
I don’t think liking the study or not isn’t the issue. The problem is the study doesn’t isolate one factor to compare groups. Vegan diet or keto diet. Mediterranean or keto. When you change more than one factor then you can’t claim your diet actually is what caused the benefit. It’s just science.
You’re the best.
Hi Dr. Scher......I have two questions....1. What about the China Study, showing that animal protein is the culprit in disease over generations? Should I go the Hannah Warren route with plant-based ketosis, or just go with the animal source of fat? (Lauren and Matt doing so well) 2. Son with schiz habitually eats sugary carbs. I encourage him to eat a handful of nuts and add MCT oil to his beverages when indulging. Grabbing at straws?
With all do respect, the China study has been debunked and it does not have real proof, only association. It was written with a lot of bias and to convince people of a way of an ideology. Look into Dr. Thomas Siegfried, professor at Boston University. He has been doing intense research on cancer for decades and has been helping many many people.
We would caution against taking the china study as truth. Here are a couple of articles that may lend a broader perspective. chriskresser.com/china-study-debunked-by-new-research/
deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/
In general, adding fatty foods to sugary carbs is unlikely to bring health benefits. The best place for most people to start is getting rid of the sugary carbs rather than adding to them. Many find that following a ketogenic diet helps decrease the cravings for high carb foods. But we know it can be a struggle for some to get there. Sorry if that is the case with your son. Here a a few directories of experienced clinicians who may be able to help if you're able to work with one.
www.diagnosisdiet.com/directory
thesmhp.org/directory/
www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/doctors
nutrition-network.org/find-a-practitioner/
Animal protein is complete and provides the building blocks for growth, cancer or otherwise, but here's a couple of stings in that tail. Plant sources of protein can also be complete. So why would the body know the difference when it comes down to amino acids? Therefore any source of protein, theoretically, causes cancer. Vegans, your rice and beans are not going to save you because you can't have it both ways. You can't bang on about how much protein you can get from plants AND how protective the diet is. What we do know is that cancer adores sugar and carbohydrates which is heavier in a planty diet. Work it out and do some research.
😏👉 Areas that have high levels of lithium in city water supply have markedly lower Alzeheimers and depression ... ✨️
These are precisely the types of trends/facts that need further study. Clearly, we’re missing a great deal from a scientific perspective (thank you Dr Sher, Dr Bredesen, Dr Perlmutter, et al), and need to focus on root cause. Not blame genetics, and rely on pharmaceuticals that don’t help, ignoring metabolic causes/treatments!! 😣😠
If nutitional ketosis is the goal ...why do we lose them in urine unlike glucose
I think if qualified health professionals are up in your business getting you to eat and behave better almost any non-poisonous diet will probably yield improvement.
The most impressive keto people I see are the ones doing lots of other good things besides keto.
"almost any non-poisonous diet will probably yield improvement"
Vegan "diets" ARE poisonous !
Just consider all those phytotoxins! Not to speak about sugar...
@@btudrus So much vegan hating!
No, it’s not. Carnivore is.
show me studies supporting that
@@robertbrown6531 Show us studies that don’t…
@@AnneMB955if someone makes the grand claim that Carnivore cures Alzheimers then it is a reasonable question to ask where is your evidence is for that claim. To throw it back to me and say prove it doesn't is like something a child would say.
@ Oh, wonderful retort. Someone is quite entitled to say Carnivore is best for warding off Alzheimer’s without having to cite studies. It’s their informed opinion. And mine too. Having a dad who died with this affliction, it’s the best chance I have of going a different path. No need for belittling.
Yep... the brain heals on ketones
💯❤