I got a chance to see a quick video from Smith and Wesson on this gun,, and after watching you shoot it, I am excited to try and find one. Thank You for the video.
There’s just something about high velocity rounds in a pistol that makes me love them. 22 mag, 5.7, TCM22 I love all those hot little rounds, they hit above their weight class and the capacity just seals the deal for me. 🐾✌️🇺🇸
Alright, I love .22WMR. I've got several rifles and a couple revolvers in .22 mag already. I've been thinking about the Kel-Tec PMR30 for a while but M&P has caught my eye. I've seen a number of TH-cam reviews and one of the first I saw the poster had repeated problems. Since then I've watched another 4 or 5 reviews where the gun ran flawlessly. I'm sold. I'll be getting one this week. Thanks for posting.
Well, It's about time S&W came out with a 22 Mag gun to rival the Success of the PMR 30 from Kel-Tec! I mentioned this many months ago, that some of the Bing Gun Company's were going to Issue their New 22 Magnum Pistols because the Trend has started and You will see many other's ton Follow! There are at least 5 Company's Touting their 22 Mag Pistols! I purchased my PMR30 at the beginning of this year and My Gun has proven to be a Tac Driver right out of the Box! My Gun is a second generation model of this Gun and I have shot over 1000 rounds, going to my LGR here in Sunny Florida, which I visit every week! My PMR30 Has proven to be very accurate and reliable to be able to become my EDC and I carry it with confidence as my self defense Weapon!
Great review. Even though I get the idea you don't like reviewing 22 magnum semiautos. Lol! Would you consider this to be the best 22 magnum semiauto pistol on the market to date? Any ftf, fte etc? Thanks.
I love the S&W M&P series pistols. While I think the .22 magnum pistol would be a great target or hunting pistol I would not feel comfortable carrying a rim fired pistol for personal self defense. I own a Ruger Mark IV target pistol & yes love target shooting the .22 caliber. Great video!! Subscribed!!
I've just generally never had any luck with a semi auto .22 LR or magnum outside my Nylon 66 and Ruger Mark IV. I know the bullets are more expensive, but at least I know the 5.7 is going to run every time.
I've never shot 22 mag before... Kind of surprised to see there's a little bit of recoil to it. Had assumed it would be like 22lr. Might have to look into that cartridge a little more.
It’s nothing like .22lr. The ammo is jacketed and not plated, case width and length are bigger. Bullet design is completely different. Concussion is quite load and has a massive fireball out of pistols. Soft shooter but very satisfying. Highly recommend
There’s no recoil to it man. I own a Kel Tec PMR-30 and while it shoots a huge fireball and has a lot of blast and concussion, recoil is considerably less than .380 and just barely more than 22lr
There's going to be some recoil due to the action reciprocating. Unavoidable. My Ruger MKIV all steel target in .22lr recoils. It just isn't much. Like this M&P, there isn't a lot but there is recoil. The gun wouldn't cycle if it had no recoil.
Great Video I’m going to be picking mine up in the Am. I have faith that these will be reliable enough to carry. My M&Ps are some of my favorite guns I own. I should of bought a boatload when they offered the rebates but this new deuce deuce is all mine!
I have a bear creek arsenal. 22 mag upper that works flawlessly, and was very affordable, just wish they had a larger magazine available, 14 rounds seems ridiculous for a magazine that large.
I have a Savage A22 magnum and it is as accurate and shots as well as any gun that I own. There is nothing wrong with the 22 wmr if you do your research and design around that cartridge!
I have an old - now - Ruger single-six revolver, six-and-a-half inch barrel with the magnum cylinder, and a Marlin rifle 22-inch barrel. Both were terrifically accurate, though neither was semiautomatic. Given the speed of the .22 WMR I would be inclined to doubt the performance out of any shorter barrel. My Ruger was accurate even with just iron sights, but the rifle with scope was better.
Honest outlaw had more failure to feeds with this gun on his video today that I just quit counting and that’s a bummer cuz I been waiting on a .22 mag pistol to add to the collection.
Ya he had 6 outta 300 ...6 boxes and tbh he was using cci which my pmr 30 absolutely hates it loves hornady 30 45, rem 33 and 40, federal 40 and 50 and speer...scooch I forget what he's using...this guy is using the rt 💩
So it is possibly a better mouse trap, but don't see using specific ammo for any rimfire as a Problem. I have a PMR30 and a CMR30 and they run beautifully if you run CCI maximags, hornady critical defense, or speer gold dot ammo, and you load the mag correctly (3 rounds tap back of mag against your hand, and repeat). 99% of malfunction of my guns are either improper mag loading or ammo other than I listed. 2 of the 3 ammos I listed are very easy to find so i don't consider that a problem. There 22LR pistols that only like certain ammo. Having said that, I might have to get one of these just because I like M&Ps and I like the concept of running V-max ammo but I'll wait for more reviews
Like you, I have a PMR30 and a CMR30. The PMR has lots of fail to feed because of the polymer feed ramp, the CMR has the same issue, rarely. My debate now is to upgrade with MCarbo steel feed ramps or just get the M&P.
Hello thinking of buying the pistil and install a red dot sight I will purchase the same one that you recommended did you have to remove the optic plate to install the red dot .or does it remain on and the dot. Mounts right on. Thank you.
@@TXMike1055 thanks I just saw the email from them this morning announcing it.apparently this morning is when everyone else can release there reviews because it’s all over the place now.
So this is why the patent for the tempo barrel system had mentioned not only 5.7x28, but 22WMR amd 17HMR... So, 17HMR handgun incoming? This looks nice. My PMR-30 doesnt have an issue running any bullet weight already, but this is still good for many people.
Walther wmp is good but has a hi pointy feel n wt to it...amt automag pass...grendel pass...pmr 30 is a maybe only had 1 outta 3 pmr run awesome the other 2 were junk....I have the mp 5.7.n love it. So I'll be sneaking this one into the house 💯...it's great practice round gun for 5.7 that has similar recoil , more available, cheaper ammo ...should be a blast to shoot tbh
So would that optic fit on my M&P 2.0 metal with the plates that come with the 2.0 metal. I’ve never messed with red dots and the manual that came with the 2.0 only list a couple red dots that it fits but came with 7 plates so I know it fits more.
why call it platform, it is only a pistol it is not mounted to an AC130, Ruger makes a nice 22 Mag Bolt that comes with scope mount , uses a magazine, not semi, threaded would be wicked ( hopefully ), thank you though I like your reviews
Its the .22 mag non necked down long thin straight wall case that is the main problem with feeding issues. I just hope u can actually load 30rds in these mags unlike the keltec where your lucky to get 23 rds in before damaging cases.
@@MrPrice989 22 mag and 22 mag projectiles are designed to be fired out of a 24” barrel. In my opinion 150 ft.lbs of energy is not enough for self defense, people compare to 5.7 but 5.7 pushes over 350 ft.lbs of energy and some 9mm +P loads have over 400 ft.lbs of energy. 22 mag will always be a mouse gun out of a handgun.
If they add a threaded barrel and maybe another color option like FDE or two-tone with a stainless slide, I would be absolutely sold on one of these. Looks like it would be an incredibly fun range gun.
Kel-Junk recommends 40grn minimum.mine shoots the Winchester Dynapoints that your not suposed to use the best...but still cant dump a full mag 😢😢😢😢😢 you can spend an extra $350 on the MCarbo rebuild kit.Kel-Junk claims they have never had any issues at all,they told me on the phone 😂😮
I've put quite a lot of rounds through a PMR30, it's jammed twice, once when it was brand new and a second time when someone rode the slide down. It's not a fatal design flaw, sounds like yours just needs to be worked on or repaired.
I just watched a video that the gun did not preform as will as your . To give a great review is premature . Maybe after one year you can more accurate review . I have been burnt three times .
I don't think it's a "waste of time" to show and shoot guns that don't work. Most TH-cam personalities say it's the beat gun ever and turns out to be shit. As far as 22 magnum fun round if you can find the ammo in your area.
So, S&W copies Kel-Tec's (PMR-30) homework, adds a 2 piece gas-delayed barrel (to tame 22 WMR's 'massive' recoil impulse) and calls the entire thing "brand new" - got it.
lol all the channels cooking the books to make sure it functions cus it's a smith. they know if they just shot it malfunctions galore. wonder how many jams he edited out.
@@thekentuckygunco thats good but from all your talk and the S&W booklet i still suspect it's problematic by rimfire nature. i want to replace my glock 19 home defense gun with something fun, but i dont think it'll be this for that reason. maybe a 5.7x28 instead, though the ammo is so pricy. main thing i like about this is the crazy 30 round capacity. and if i'm not mistaken the .22 wmr ammo is a little cheaper than 9mm even
@@cryengine_x 22wmr may be cheaper than 9mm but 9mm +P has more power from a handgun than 22 mag has from a 24” barrel. If you want to break away from 9mm you better get your check book ready.
@@cryengine_x I think the ammo and the gun are reliable enough but we are talking far less power than 9mm like 1/3rd the power. All of the ballistic numbers on 22wmr packaging is for a 24” barrel and 22wmr barely competes with 5.7x28 with a 24” barrel. There are better options for self defense.
It sure is better than the PMR-30. The Keltech is a POS, I spent atound $700.00 upgrading the damn gun. That includes shipping. Still ftf. Trated in gor a Ruger 6 shooter, 2" Barrel.
But is too bad this pistola is overpriced. I stick to my Canik TP9SF, I know this is comparing Oranges to Apples, but for the price, I paid $350.00 for my Canik plus bought 3 eighteen rounds magazines.
This is not worth the price for just a 22magnum at 600.00 price range i can get a nine mm for less so why piss my money away on a gun like this for me i can get more for my bucks in higher caliber so no not me .
I got a chance to see a quick video from Smith and Wesson on this gun,, and after watching you shoot it, I am excited to try and find one. Thank You for the video.
Awesome review...just bought one...can't wait to try it out tomorrow!
There’s just something about high velocity rounds in a pistol that makes me love them. 22 mag, 5.7, TCM22 I love all those hot little rounds, they hit above their weight class and the capacity just seals the deal for me. 🐾✌️🇺🇸
Alright, I love .22WMR. I've got several rifles and a couple revolvers in .22 mag already. I've been thinking about the Kel-Tec PMR30 for a while but M&P has caught my eye. I've seen a number of TH-cam reviews and one of the first I saw the poster had repeated problems. Since then I've watched another 4 or 5 reviews where the gun ran flawlessly. I'm sold. I'll be getting one this week. Thanks for posting.
I owned a PMR-30 and it was a jam-a-matic. I sold it for a profit during the craze. Buy a S&W please!
Well, It's about time S&W came out with a 22 Mag gun to rival the Success of the PMR 30 from Kel-Tec! I mentioned this many months ago, that some of the Bing Gun Company's were going to Issue their New 22 Magnum Pistols because the Trend has started and You will see many other's ton Follow! There are at least 5 Company's Touting their 22 Mag Pistols! I purchased my PMR30 at the beginning of this year and My Gun has proven to be a Tac Driver right out of the Box! My Gun is a second generation model of this Gun and I have shot over 1000 rounds, going to my LGR here in Sunny Florida, which I visit every week! My PMR30 Has proven to be very accurate and reliable to be able to become my EDC and I carry it with confidence as my self defense Weapon!
Great review.
Even though I get the idea you don't like reviewing
22 magnum semiautos. Lol!
Would you consider this to be the best 22 magnum semiauto
pistol on the market to date?
Any ftf, fte etc?
Thanks.
I love the S&W M&P series pistols. While I think the .22 magnum pistol would be a great target or hunting pistol I would not feel comfortable carrying a rim fired pistol for personal self defense. I own a Ruger Mark IV target pistol & yes love target shooting the .22 caliber. Great video!! Subscribed!!
Do you encounter failures to ignite with good quality .22 ammo?
It's gonna be interesting if S&W makes Victory a 22-magnum series. Love the Steel sense in my hand.
My 10/22 mag is still working fine.
I've just generally never had any luck with a semi auto .22 LR or magnum outside my Nylon 66 and Ruger Mark IV. I know the bullets are more expensive, but at least I know the 5.7 is going to run every time.
Really? Wow. Like you said, no luck. I must have been extremely lucky for 50+ years.
Taurus if you're listening we need a Tx 22 magnum competition
Saw a couple videos that had misfire issues....your first clip went well...as well as your second clip...nice...
I've never shot 22 mag before... Kind of surprised to see there's a little bit of recoil to it. Had assumed it would be like 22lr. Might have to look into that cartridge a little more.
It's A very underrated cartridge
It’s nothing like .22lr. The ammo is jacketed and not plated, case width and length are bigger. Bullet design is completely different. Concussion is quite load and has a massive fireball out of pistols. Soft shooter but very satisfying. Highly recommend
There’s no recoil to it man. I own a Kel Tec PMR-30 and while it shoots a huge fireball and has a lot of blast and concussion, recoil is considerably less than .380 and just barely more than 22lr
There's going to be some recoil due to the action reciprocating. Unavoidable. My Ruger MKIV all steel target in .22lr recoils. It just isn't much. Like this M&P, there isn't a lot but there is recoil. The gun wouldn't cycle if it had no recoil.
Great Video I’m going to be picking mine up in the Am. I have faith that these will be reliable enough to carry. My M&Ps are some of my favorite guns I own. I should of bought a boatload when they offered the rebates but this new deuce deuce is all mine!
I have a bear creek arsenal. 22 mag upper that works flawlessly, and was very affordable, just wish they had a larger magazine available, 14 rounds seems ridiculous for a magazine that large.
Single stack mag vs quad stack mag.
@InvidiousIgnoramus Yeah, but the mags are really long and could easily have 20 in them, the way they are designed seems kinda dumb.
I have a Savage A22 magnum and it is as accurate and shots as well as any gun that I own. There is nothing wrong with the 22 wmr if you do your research and design around that cartridge!
I have an old - now - Ruger single-six revolver, six-and-a-half inch barrel with the magnum cylinder, and a Marlin rifle 22-inch barrel. Both were terrifically accurate, though neither was semiautomatic. Given the speed of the .22 WMR I would be inclined to doubt the performance out of any shorter barrel. My Ruger was accurate even with just iron sights, but the rifle with scope was better.
Smith and Wesson m@p 15-22 magnum ar 15...come on Smith it's time...
Honest outlaw had more failure to feeds with this gun on his video today that I just quit counting and that’s a bummer cuz I been waiting on a .22 mag pistol to add to the collection.
Ya he had 6 outta 300 ...6 boxes and tbh he was using cci which my pmr 30 absolutely hates it loves hornady 30 45, rem 33 and 40, federal 40 and 50 and speer...scooch I forget what he's using...this guy is using the rt 💩
I just bought the gun and used Winchester 40 grain WMR. My mistake, gun kept jamming. Will go to CCI, Hornady, Speer or Federal.
Now Walther needs to drop a 5.7 and the war would begin
wather does have a 22 mag I believe, a lot of folks get turned off by ammo price on the 5.7, they are cool though
That 22 magnum is a wonderful firearm by S&W in their M&P.
I'm just waiting for Ruger to produce their version of a semi-auto 22 wmr, hopefully modelled after their 5.7.
So it is possibly a better mouse trap, but don't see using specific ammo for any rimfire as a Problem. I have a PMR30 and a CMR30 and they run beautifully if you run CCI maximags, hornady critical defense, or speer gold dot ammo, and you load the mag correctly (3 rounds tap back of mag against your hand, and repeat). 99% of malfunction of my guns are either improper mag loading or ammo other than I listed. 2 of the 3 ammos I listed are very easy to find so i don't consider that a problem. There 22LR pistols that only like certain ammo. Having said that, I might have to get one of these just because I like M&Ps and I like the concept of running V-max ammo but I'll wait for more reviews
This exactly!!!
swap out the mag catch and feed ramp in your PMR/CMR30s and it'd probably run V-Max too.
Like you, I have a PMR30 and a CMR30. The PMR has lots of fail to feed because of the polymer feed ramp, the CMR has the same issue, rarely. My debate now is to upgrade with MCarbo steel feed ramps or just get the M&P.
You are a lucky man. I traded my PMR-30 after spending few hundred to upgraded. Ended up trading in for a Ruger 6 shooter, wmr 2" barrel
Any special loading technique like the keltec?
That gun gave me fits with “rim lock” loading issues
There are speed loaders for Keltec mags. Works really well.
I'd like to see what it does with the Winchester Super X 22 magnum.
I've been looking at the Walter W mp22 mag very nice gun two magazines $499 but it does not have a safety does this gun have a safety
Hello thinking of buying the pistil and install a red dot sight I will purchase the same one that you recommended did you have to remove the optic plate to install the red dot .or does it remain on and the dot. Mounts right on. Thank you.
Optics plate does need to be removed.
Is that a safety on both sides?
Please do a review of the model 648, please!!!!!
I got mine about 2 weeks ago and I love it! Shoots great! 15-20K guns??? Good Lord.
Any misfire issues?
Will they come with a threaded barrel
That’s a nice gun.
Looks like we have a new King 👑 of the.22 Magnum. Walther kneel to the new King 👑 👏👍🗽🦅🇺🇸
Kel tec can kneel as well lol
😂😂😂😂
PMR-30: 😢
All hail s&w
I agree !
What’s the 3x3 target product you are using??
I can’t find this gun anywhere not even on smiths website? When does it come out?
@@TXMike1055 thanks I just saw the email from them this morning announcing it.apparently this morning is when everyone else can release there reviews because it’s all over the place now.
or you could try our kygunco website 🤷♂️ ? plenty in stock
@@thekentuckygunco yes’em the be on the website meow
Just bot mine today….sweet
They need a 22lr model with that mag capacity
I'm impressed...
After watching your video I picked one up.
So this is why the patent for the tempo barrel system had mentioned not only 5.7x28, but 22WMR amd 17HMR...
So, 17HMR handgun incoming? This looks nice. My PMR-30 doesnt have an issue running any bullet weight already, but this is still good for many people.
How much does it cost?
Anyone price .22 mag rounds? Do so beforehand
Man I’m so getting this hand gun. I’ve waited to see if someone else would do it other than Walter 2:25
Yes, “Walter” does it nice too….lol
Walther wmp is good but has a hi pointy feel n wt to it...amt automag pass...grendel pass...pmr 30 is a maybe only had 1 outta 3 pmr run awesome the other 2 were junk....I have the mp 5.7.n love it. So I'll be sneaking this one into the house 💯...it's great practice round gun for 5.7 that has similar recoil , more available, cheaper ammo ...should be a blast to shoot tbh
So would that optic fit on my M&P 2.0 metal with the plates that come with the 2.0 metal. I’ve never messed with red dots and the manual that came with the 2.0 only list a couple red dots that it fits but came with 7 plates so I know it fits more.
I just put the Vortex Defender on my MP 22 WMR. Nothing required other than screws that came with the sight.
What is the velocity out of that pistol?
Walther could’ve learned something here
why call it platform, it is only a pistol it is not mounted to an AC130, Ruger makes a nice 22 Mag Bolt that comes with scope mount , uses a magazine, not semi, threaded would be wicked ( hopefully ), thank you though I like your reviews
Its the .22 mag non necked down long thin straight wall case that is the main problem with feeding issues. I just hope u can actually load 30rds in these mags unlike the keltec where your lucky to get 23 rds in before damaging cases.
why is there 1 shooter review that the S&W M&P 22 mag wont cycle properly, is everyone else editing their videos
I thought i was watching a john wick movie
Look at that frame droop
I like it a lot
Sems like , that's the gun to make you give .22 mag. another chance !?.
Implying .22 magnum ever deserved a chance with a handgun.
I believe that them ballistic tips " tip in hollow point " would cause some level's of pain " damage" !?.
@@MrPrice989 22 mag and 22 mag projectiles are designed to be fired out of a 24” barrel. In my opinion 150 ft.lbs of energy is not enough for self defense, people compare to 5.7 but 5.7 pushes over 350 ft.lbs of energy and some 9mm +P loads have over 400 ft.lbs of energy. 22 mag will always be a mouse gun out of a handgun.
Hey you said it had never been fired any gun maker is required by law to test fire a firearm before SALE get it right DA!
Your having better luck than the other review i watched..several FTF's😢
Outlaw had 6 outta 300 rounds ..scooch had zero..and kygunco had 0...that's enough for me to pull the trigger on it
@harrycallahan5112 if nothing else fun to shoot 😀
With that site its nearly $1000.00
Honest Outlaw had random feeding issues…
AMT AutoMag II
If they add a threaded barrel and maybe another color option like FDE or two-tone with a stainless slide, I would be absolutely sold on one of these. Looks like it would be an incredibly fun range gun.
22mag ammo is still way to high when you can just stick with 9mm for the same price or cheaper.
Yep,, this would have worked in .22 Long Rifle...
Kel-Junk recommends 40grn minimum.mine shoots the Winchester Dynapoints that your not suposed to use the best...but still cant dump a full mag 😢😢😢😢😢 you can spend an extra $350 on the MCarbo rebuild kit.Kel-Junk claims they have never had any issues at all,they told me on the phone 😂😮
I've put quite a lot of rounds through a PMR30, it's jammed twice, once when it was brand new and a second time when someone rode the slide down. It's not a fatal design flaw, sounds like yours just needs to be worked on or repaired.
I have a few PMR30's and they run AWESOME! They are bone stock. a few issues on the first few mags of break in, but that's it. Must be yours.
@Joeak74 I have read that they have worked since 2018 they have worked the flaws out wish I had waited
@@samdunlap5365 Call keltec, alternatively you could take it to a gunsmith if you're not capable/willing to figure it out yourself.
Very interesting they use the same barrel system as the 5.7.Great video.
The Ruger SR22 is fun as fuck.
Geez that thing is loud
Nice, the 22 Mag is very underrated. Glad to see something much nicer than a **cough**cough(Keltec)**cough**
My PMR30's run fine.
I just watched a video that the gun did not preform as will as your . To give a great review is premature . Maybe after one year you can more accurate review . I have been burnt three times .
About every 3-5 gave a fireball but the rest didn't
That a good thing or bad thing?
That’s more to do with frame rate of the camera. Sometimes it catches it, sometime it doesn’t in my experience.
Not that it was a lot, but was surprised at the recoil.
I don't think it's a "waste of time" to show and shoot guns that don't work. Most TH-cam personalities say it's the beat gun ever and turns out to be shit. As far as 22 magnum fun round if you can find the ammo in your area.
👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸
I don't like seeing daylight between the slide and frame.
KEL-TEC
So, S&W copies Kel-Tec's (PMR-30) homework, adds a 2 piece gas-delayed barrel (to tame 22 WMR's 'massive' recoil impulse) and calls the entire thing "brand new" - got it.
Problem is I live in a 10 rd only state.
I’d move. Lol
Nice.
Unfortunately it costs more than their new FPC carbine and their AR.
For a 22 magnum pistol?
No thanks.
It has a lower MSRP than the FPC, though. Not that it's relevant, since they're entirely different market segments.
helps to not be heavily biased before you begin.
biased against 22 mag semi-auto guns? yup we made that pretty clear from the start
not cz❤
I want it to work by my goodness it is UGLY.
I don’t think so
I kinda like it
It's not.
@@gregbrooks3577 Subjective, but to me it is absolutely hideous.
@@Valorius I buy firearms for function, not beauty. Pretty only matters for women.
lol all the channels cooking the books to make sure it functions cus it's a smith. they know if they just shot it malfunctions galore. wonder how many jams he edited out.
none
@@thekentuckygunco thats good but from all your talk and the S&W booklet i still suspect it's problematic by rimfire nature. i want to replace my glock 19 home defense gun with something fun, but i dont think it'll be this for that reason. maybe a 5.7x28 instead, though the ammo is so pricy. main thing i like about this is the crazy 30 round capacity. and if i'm not mistaken the .22 wmr ammo is a little cheaper than 9mm even
@@cryengine_x 22wmr may be cheaper than 9mm but 9mm +P has more power from a handgun than 22 mag has from a 24” barrel. If you want to break away from 9mm you better get your check book ready.
@@WillyBShooting ehh 22 mag is enough power imo especially with a 30 rd mag. just dont trust the reliability of a rimfire for home defense.
@@cryengine_x I think the ammo and the gun are reliable enough but we are talking far less power than 9mm like 1/3rd the power. All of the ballistic numbers on 22wmr packaging is for a 24” barrel and 22wmr barely competes with 5.7x28 with a 24” barrel. There are better options for self defense.
It sure is better than the PMR-30. The Keltech is a POS, I spent atound $700.00 upgrading the damn gun. That includes shipping. Still ftf. Trated in gor a Ruger 6 shooter, 2" Barrel.
But is too bad this pistola is overpriced. I stick to my Canik TP9SF, I know this is comparing Oranges to Apples, but for the price, I paid $350.00 for my Canik
plus bought 3 eighteen rounds magazines.
This is not worth the price for just a 22magnum at 600.00 price range i can get a nine mm for less so why piss my money away on a gun like this for me i can get more for my bucks in higher caliber so no not me .
If it works like the M&P 5.7 i'll pass.