Central Boiler 16 Years of Use Will I Do It Again??
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- Central Boiler Classic CL-7260, Have burned for over 16 years an unbelievable amount of savings.
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I bought a Central Boiler Classic in 2000 and used it 10 years with only one door solenoid fail. Heated 2600 sq ft of house, upper and lower two car garage and a 2000 sq ft pole barn all in floor tubing. Best heat you can ask for. Unfortunately moved to town and can't have one anymore.
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I have a CL5648 dual fuel ready. Probably over 15 years. I heat my house and my brother’s house. I have gone through several impellers but they are easy to change. Also had to change the master power disconnect switch because the terminal loosened and overheated. I added the draft blower to the front several years ago but took it off yesterday because it just seemed like too much heat was going out of the chimney ( on real cold days especially). The local dealer (Topeka Seed and Stove) is great and well stocked with parts. It works well with my whole house generator when the power goes out.
I bought my central boiler almost 15 years ago. Model CL 5648. I heat an old farm house very comfortably. I was spending $700 per month in oil from April through October so this was a huge savings. I burn mostly free scrap wood and some free hardwood when it’s free or cheap. I mix the scrap wood with the hardwood. The furnace cost around $11,000 plus piping for the hot water. It’s certainly paid for itself. Very little maintenance other than removing and disposal of ashes. Door rope and circulating pump cartridges. The disadvantages would be if you went on holidays you’d have to find someone to fill the furnace or revert to your own house furnace. The water pumps continuously at 8 gallons a minute so it wouldn’t freeze. I have no regrets and would buy one again. Stick with the steel boiler plate ones not stainless steel construction.
We put one 6038, ourselves in our new Timberframe (3000sq.st) in 2010 , Basement and 1st floor and it will keep the house in the Low 70's until it gets to single digits. Had to replace a pump, other than that It's a Wood PIG! Only issue is keeping enough wood on hand and/or being able to purchase quantity at reasonable cost! Midwestern Winters avg 6-8 cords. When your 65, that's a hell of a lot of work, too cheap to buy it! So, if you have plenty of access and/or are young and healthy enough to tend Wood, it's a great way to heat and save at some money (not going to the power company) than do it!
In one of my other videos Boone is 70 years old and don't see him stopping the wood furnace at all. But as you get older I see what your saying some people just might not want to do wood anymore. Kevin
I'm on year 5 with my cl6048 central boiler..., 16 years is impressive!
Just take care of it and it will last, I have another video that shows a 20 year old furnace. Thanks for watching, Kevin
I'm SO FAR BEHIND on my wood this year! I hurt my back in May and that put everything behind 6 weeks or more. finally tried out buying a truck load of logs this year. I ended up with forty five 25' logs for $450 ...$10 per tree isn't too bad! Now... the FUN begins... cutting, splitting & stacking!
Sorry to hear about your back and I hope you get better. I have bought wood like you did and it makes it very easy for sure. Thanks for watching our channel. Kevin
13 years for me. My $10k investment has returned well over 10x that n the comfort is unremarkable. No brokerage firm can even match that !!
That’s great, thanks for watching our videos. Kevin
We bought the 6048 five years ago and I LOVE it! It heats our home, water and a 12 x40 greenhouse so we can grow fruit trees and veggies all year long (it SUCKS the wood though being uninsulated). We've had a credit it on our propane bill the last 4 years, as much as +$1300. They'll fill it twice a year at $350+ and nothing has come out of our pocket
Love the positive feed back, and the saving that your getting. Thanks so much for watching our channel. Kevin
I love my central boiler. I’ve owned mine for almost 16 years also without any problems. It heats a 2200 square foot house at 70 degrees all winter. I’m a caretaker at a large estate in the Hudson valley New York area and get all the wood I can handle. It has saved me many of thousands of dollars . It does go through a lot of wood but if you have a good supply it definitely beats paying for oil, natural gas, or electric which can fluctuate in price. It’s one of the best investments I’ve made.
What I like is I keep my house at what temperature I want and don't worry about a fuel bill. Thanks, Kevin
I would love to have one at my place
Is there a reason why they put boilers outside in the US? Seems like a massive heatloss to me.
Safety reasons are at the top of the list, no fire in the house and the mess from the wood inside. The underground pipe that carries the water to and from the house is very well insulated so very little heat loss. Great questions
Thanks for watching our videos.
Kevin
Gotta love a no nonsense american farmer.
Thank You to ALL OUR FARMERS!!!
Amen
I think we got about 15 years on ours up here in Alaska. We're sawing constantly haha.
That's great, have me come up hunting and I'll cut some fire wood for you. lol
@@klwit1980 Come on up hah
what about the nails from the pallets you use? do they cause any issues?
The nails don’t seem to have any effect on the inside fire box yet, seems ok inside. I didn’t ask him what he dose with the nails when he takes out the ashes.
Thanks for watching our videos
Kevin
My own 19 - 20 year experience for a 900 to 1000 sqr ft home.
I have two brothers with inside stoves and I am with a CB 5648 dual fuel which i never used duel fuel and bigger then I need for a 900- 1000 sqr foot home forced air High efficiency LP furnace). My system back then cost $6000 for stove and $1800 forall the hookup parts and accessories. I was paying 300.00 for a fill-up and 4 or 5 fills a year back then in 2001 2002. Going on 19- 20 yrs now. I burn a little more then them. I burn year round with heating my water. I do not have a water heater at all. I use a flat Plate ( on demand )system, which you HAVE to have GOOD water as to not clog the plates, which I still have to pull out and clean and or replace at $160.00. I replaced once but cleaned every 5 yrs.
One brother will tell you straight up in door fireplace is nice but can be a pain with bugs and spiders in the wood, mildew, then ash clean out can get dusty. Also some times the smoke is bad. And we're getting old and worn out.
Other brother is a salesman kind of B-Ser Its great he says. He had a tiny house an had an electric water heater, cold bedrooms wake up in middle of night building fires. plus what other brothers issues are. He also would leave town and his Natural Gas space heater would go on. And his house is always cold , around 55F to 60F. We're getting too old for cold nights and mornings now.
My 19-20 yr system is not perfect either. But In my opinion its better , specially for my family and needs. I have bought a semi of oak, at about 10 crd ( 8ft long) for 700.00 a load and that can last me three years. But I burn junk wood in the summer.
If I load mine full it will last 2 to 4 days. But I dont, I want to keep an eye on things and burn only whats needed for my house. I go out twice a day because I want to. Rake it, ashtroll it, just a simple check every day.
I had to replace all my in-ground water lines ( 80ft) two years ago cause of leaks. $1200 for the best Iine CB offers. two solenoids $30.00 each numerous door ropes. 1 draft door lid, one back chimney slide lid. My chimney is Steel at base not the SS double wall like now. Also at the bottom of where door is.. is thin and will prolly need some welding. Due to early on I use to burn wetter wood like I was told I could do. Like maple is suppose to have two burns because of the sugars. But I dont anymore. I also put an adjustable thermostat on (55.00) so I could turn it down in summer to 168F -178F .
If power goes out no water gets pumped so NO heat I have a back up gas log space heater like a wood stove. I just topped my LP tank off last year because of the low price, it was at 40% then. Before that it was 6 or 7 years ago and for the same reason low price and only a little bit 20 to 30%.
Overall I like it and would do it all over again.
I like it but the CENTRAL BOILERS 25 YEAR LIMITED LIFE TIME AND CENTRAL BOILERS LIFE TIME DOOR WARRANTY expired just because they dont want to stand behind there name. Even for a guy like me ... That takes care of it and has had it for almost 20 yrs of use and like the local CB dealer I been using.
They are one of the best out door stoves out there in my opinion. Specially when I was looking. I dont and never did like the TACO pumps, you have to buy two because one will go out idea. So I went with Grundfos and dont regret it. Knock on wood. Hopefully the stove will outlast my wife and I or its a good selling point for a young family if we move.
Folks with rust or pin holes scare me.
Thank You so much for your testimony, I do agree with you on all points. I was a dealer for them from 2002-2012 and during that time sold over 625 furnaces. I did also turn to the Grundfos pumps and had great results. I started doing youtube to help people out because I believe in the safety of keeping the fire outside and all the mess. Central Boiler still is in my mind the best company out there for the OWF people.
Thanks for watching our channel and for your feed back. Kevin
I wanted one for our farm in Western Washington when we bought 14 years ago, I just couldn’t afford the initial cost. We have more wood than we cam burn just growing on the farm, all I do is cut the dead and dieting trees to furnish us with traditional wood stove heat.
the dieting trees would be too skinny....
Thanks for the interview
Your welcome, thank you for watching our video. Kevin
Not just you folks but everybody talking about Central Boiler drives me crazy with the interchange of the terms furnace and boiler. The Central Boiler unites are NOT furnaces!!! A furnace is hot air and a boiler is hot water!
Can antifreeze e be used in the boilers?
yes, best to use PGI (Propylene Glycol Industrial Grade
I’d be curious to know how much electric power it requires to run and IF a generator could supply it if the grid went down or if a solar panel would be able to?
1pump is 1.4 Amp or 161 Watts
And yes a generator would supply with no problem I’ve done it myself. Also we have a dealer that runs his system all on solar. Thanks for your questions.
My Honda eu2000 easily runs my owb ans all circulators
ONE 300W solar panel is enough to run the pumps and electronics. The issue is you also need power at night, so you'd need to produce more power during the day and store in batteries
A week ago at -30*F the vent on our 14 year old CL5036 froze and the tank ruptured when it built up too much pressure .
We are currently waiting for a replacement CL5036.
Did you manually actuate the valve when doing maintenance? Sounds like it was over looked. Its just like a natural gas or electric furnace, they still need to be maintained.
What did the wood boiler cost him 16 years ago?
The initial hook up had to be a lot. Underground pipes, concrete floor pipes, house hook up + boiler + a separate hot water for humans hook up.
I have a similar one and about the same time that was around 6K. Digging trench and paying for parts and hookup was around another 2K. When fuel oil got over $4 a gallon it was saving me at least 5K a year between oil and propane that was heating my water.
That’s awesome.
Thank You, Kevin
15/16 yrs on my 6048, payed for itself in 4 yrs by not burning propane. Love it so much 3500ft house heat and hot water. 30x50 garage with in floor radiant.
Very nice! Thanks for watching, Kevin
Energy saving - A pellet stove heats my modest home & with that I save $300 to $400/month versus heating with the forced hot water natural gas system. But wood heat like this awesome boiler is a bit labor intensive.
Yes it more labor for sure but you don’t need a gym membership. Lol
Thanks for watching our channel
Kevin
Found quite a few free wood boliers around here. Everyone tells me the same thing. You better like hauling wood and ashes.
Thanks for watching our channel, some people are upgrading right now to get the more efficient edge furnaces.
Been using a5036 for 12 years. Other than 4 pumps I’ve replaced n two flushes it’s flawless. I’ve enjoyed the ample amount of heat provided. I burn less than in the beginning as I’ve found the stove will burn as much as u put in. I just put in enough to get to the next fill which is depending upon the elements. I burn a wheelbarrow amount each day until it goes below o. I burn junk until I need the good stuff. If I lived in the gwn I would do a owb even if I had to buy the wood. Would like to compare ur inside comfort to mine any time but how about when it’s -30 n 25 mph north wind. Let’s go
Hey Scott, Thanks for your input, and I also just put enough wood in my furnace to make it till morning and then in the morning just enough until that evening. I felt that it was most efficient that way as well. Thanks for watching our video's, Kevin
It would be nice if you could just toss in furniture, pianos, mattresses, plywood, pallets, logs, and all kinds of big stuff in one piece.
There are boilers that do take full hay bales/rolls.
I have had mine for about the same amount of time and would absolutely do it again. It uses a little more than an inside unit or woodstove but you can burn about anything in it and takes big wood so more than makes up for the extra consumption. Add the fact that your mess and fire danger is outside. Not sure how they have got 16 years out of a circulator though. I am on about my 6th one.
I went with a gruntfose ( I forget how to spell it ) pump 19 yrs ago on my 5648 and never replaced a pump. (Knock on wood) Way better pumps back then.
Does it get hot enough to burn all of the nails from the pallets?
Hey Terry, I didn't ask Mike about that, but I have burned some boards from time to time with nails and they were still in the ashes when I cleaned it out. So I would have to say no. Thanks for watching !!
Kevin
16 years ago I think he was around that $20,000.
I got Hardly wood stove I got 2003 it’s still going make heat yet to?
Hardy is one of the most inefficient stove made. Most of the heat goes straight out the stack.
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Marcus, I just listen to it on mine and my wife's phones and slos on my laptop. Everything seems ok, just try again please.
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Kevi n
I bought my central boiler in 1993 a CL 17 it ran pretty much trouble free until 2017. It started leaking here and there I welded up pin holes 4-5 times.In 2019 I had to give up on it there were holes I coundn't reach to weld. Stainless steel would be the only way I'd buy again.But now we buy propane by the semi loads for the grain dryers ussaully less then .50 a gallon my home is hooked into the big tanks,not worth buy a new wood stove.
That’s cheap, thanks for watching our videos. Kevin
How you get it thag cheap?
@@Confederalist 16 years ago it was alot cheaper for sure. Thanks for watching our channel, Kevin
@@klwit1980 it sounds like he is talking about TODAY'S prices not 16 years ago
@@Confederalist The CL-7260 cost today is over $18,000. back then it was around $10,600.00 A total job today with the same everything my guess over $30,000.00
I love the idea of central boilers. But how much time, equipment, maintenance and fuel do you need to “waste” to gather enough wood for a winter? I wish people would talk about that a lot more because from what I can see this would be an extreme adjustment to someone’s lifestyle just to save some money on heating.... thoughts?
There is so much waste of wood not being used I could go on for awhile. I do get some wood that is left over for a sawmill that is slab wood, cut off stock at another that's 6"x8"x12-18" long that is very cheap and just cost me my gas to pick up that's 6 miles away. then just stack it. Better then going to the gym and it's outside in fresh air and I will say my wife helps me so we enjoy it. I'll show some of this in other video's also. Thanks for your concern. Kevin
Equipment: we have several chainsaws but my primary is a 455 Rancher which i bought nee for $400 CAD or so. I also have chain sharpening files and an automatic grinder that all together were probably close to $80. I typically buy a new chain every 2 yrs at a cost of $25. Safety gear like helmet, face shield, ear muffs, chaps, etc is up to you but likely factor in another $100. Chainsaw Gas, grease, and oil for the season probably run $25. I spend 20 min sharpening the chain every 2 to 3 tanks of gas. I seem to be able to cut a bush cord with 4 tanks of gas. I also use a backhoe with a thumb to help move the logs and likely go through $10 in diesel a season. My 25 ton log splitter was $1,000 CAD and i likely burn $15 in gas a season to split wood. We purchase a tandem load every year or so which costs $1100 and takes me a week, 8 hrs a day, to cut split and stack. The boiler consumes 15 min per day to load wood and clean out the ash. Every month you need to do a deep clean of the firebox which can take an hour. For a 5 month heating season you'll invest roughly 103 hours into all of the above, provided you have similar equipment.
Yeah because wood is that hard to come by, right? Trees are taken down everyday all year long. Tree guys need somewhere to take em. It works out great. If you're not doing it yourself, you wouldn't know. So basically the wood is ever flowing in. It's not a "special venture wasting fuel" to go get it like you think.
@@mikeznel6048 everyone’s situation is different. I would bet that fewer people who burn wood for heating purposes have the abundance of free wood flowing in like you mentioned. Even if that was the case that doesn’t take away the effort/time needed to put in to operate your boiler of wood stove. Im not saying it’s hard, but it is not as easy as turning up the thermostat on the wall. And yes I have a wood stove and have family and friends who rely on it for primary heating so I know what’s involved. He says all of that in the video as well. Cheers.
With all that I said in my other reply, I forgot to add...Time and effort are time and effort. I, myself, much prefer working at keeping my woods cleaned up and all the ruslting wood handling go into heating our home. These boiler do involve a lot of work and have to be attended to (at least daily for my situation) often and that can have an impact on the time spent away from it (have to find someone to put wood in if gone for days) I enjoy being outside doing things much more than sitting on the couch watching TV.
My son, who was gaming on-line at the time, while I wished he'd be helping get wood, and I had a discussion about the work involved in keeping the house and water for baths (which he'd enjoy often) warm. I said "You know buddy, that firewood doesn't grow on trees" He said "Don't be ridiculous, of course it does". I concluded with "Ok you got me there, but it doesn't jump into the stove by itself. And until you can figure out how to get it to do that or create some way to down-load heat and hot water...I would really appreciate some help." He laughed and proceeded to lend a hand.
Anyone burned tires in these?
No we don't and I don't know anyone that has. Burning tires and garbage will damage in the inside of the fire box from the gasses that it creates. Thanks for the question.
Do you want the kgb...rrr the epa...to throw you in the gulag?
You ARE kidding, right??
Most pallets burn up like matches , then your ashes are full of nails ... cutting them you destroy your chainsaw, you’d have to
Man the stove all day to burn a lot of pallets
The water isnt travelling very far, so it would last longer then you think...plus it doesnt get to cold in Michigan as it does in northern manitoba at -50c
A lot of work feeding that thing. What happens when there are no more trees to feed that thing.
We will never run out of trees, the forest regrows just like after a wild fire. If we manage our forests properly there will always be wood. If out west they would manage trees for us with proper cutting you wouldn’t have all the wildfires in Montana Utah California and the other states where it’s going to waste. Not to mention all the wildlife that it kills when those wildfires happen. Thanks for watching our channel.
Kevin.
Luckily trees have been and will be around a lot longer than people. Paper products consume more trees than heating ever will. I've been involved in tne planting of tens of thousands of trees, on my own and other people's properties. How about you?
Lol geeez
I gave mine away after the first year... No way in hell I'd ever make the mistake of that again... 46 pick-up truck loads of wood in 1 winter... I burn 15 on the bad winters with a wood burner inside heating the same area
Not sure what brand you had or how it was put in but something was not right. I can see maybe 25-30% more wood consumption but not 3 times as much.
Come on... 46 loads? Getting deep in here...
@@leadlinedog I've got no reason to lie period... Wonder Wood was the name of the junk... Word to the wise...you should never call an old man a liar because my shit is backed up by the man hired to throw the wood in... Care to wager on I'm a damn liar?
@@leadlinedog That is only about 22-23 cord so if he has a bigger house and was burning crappy wood I can see that. One of the things I have noticed about the boilers is that when people complain about how much wood they go through compared to other sources they used prime wood in the other sources and then threw every piece of crap they could find in the outdoor boiler and then wonder why it goes through so much more and call it a piece of crap.
@@Glock2201 46 pickup loads to me is over 95 facecord. Maybe his house doesn’t have windows or doors! Lmao 💨 central boiler cant be beat !! Thanks!
Not much information if the c.boiler is more effective gasifier type or just lets the gasses out in chimney and air?
The classic is not more efficient then a classic, but can still be used for business. Now CB has a Classic Edge 960 HDX that can heat as much if not more than the Classic 7260 and the Edge is a down draft furnace. Thanks for watching. Kevin
You have to feed them things every few hours people. Not bad if your a farmer and and your own supply of wood however.
Not true. That is a massive unit and it depends on the thermodynamic draw from the system. I load mine in the morning and before bed, 10 minutes each time, max. Super low energy bills and more heat than you can use, it’s costing you money not to have one.
@@abfabrication3773 let’s be honest you burn 3-4 times as much wood as you would having a stove in the house. And you have your own Forrest to cut and feed that thing.
We do not share the same experience as you. We've been using our OWB for going on 8 yrs. now and here's my thoughts: There's a poll on one of the OWB forums asking "how long did your boiler last" and generally, most brands tend to fail around the 7 to 10 year mark. By "fail" this typically means that they start to leak in one spot or another, regardless of the cleaning, maintenance, and water treatment that you do. This means that the cost of your boiler unit itself works out to $1,000/yr. A few other costs that haven't been mentioned - electricity usage. First, air blowing past 160-180 degree water in your furnace heat exchanger for the house/shop/etc. is 'warm' - not hot like a natural gas/propane furnace. This means that your furnace blower motor will stay on an INCREBIBLY longer than heating with gas. Depending on your forced air blower motor power draw, this can mean a large electrical expense. A similar size motor is also on the OWB draft fan - and lets not forget about the 1 or 2 water pumps that are continuously running as well. As mentioned in the video, the largest component to heating with an OWB is the time investment. They eat far more wood than an indoor stove which means you're blowing through 20-30 face cords a winter if you live in a cold climate. If you're harvesting and processing your own wood, this is weeks of time investment every year (and a good investment in processing equipment and tools). If you purchase a tandem load, you're still spending nearly a week to cut/split/stack ... and lets not forget about the 1-2 yrs. required to dry the wood. Now you have to devote time to feed the boiler twice a day, clean out the ash doors/trays every other day, and clean out the fire box every 3-4 weeks. Let me be clear, this feeding and cleaning consumes over 50 hrs. for our 5 month heating season. Now lets move on to the smell .... there's no smell inside your house BUT that poor person that has to load the firebox is going to immediately smell like a wood fire. Let's hope you're not working in an office with a suit on every day! Your property will also have an intense 'wood fire' smell while the boiler draft is on. The "Pros" are certainly valid - the fuel source is inexpensive, heat is nearly endless, you can be mostly self reliant,.. but the cons that we've experienced over 8 years of ownership, unfortunately, far outweigh the pro's. So NO, an Outdoor Wood Boiler is NOT worth it, for us.