It seems a lot of people do not understand the how and why of this process and a number who have commented say to pump the brake pedal that more often than not will cause problems and this is why. Under normal operation the pedal only travels a certain distance and if you attempt to bleed brakes pumping the pedal it travels much further, Fine with new components but with an older Master Cylinder it usually has some wear and that creates a wear ridge inside the master cylinder so when you push the pedal and move the piston with it's seals past that wear point that is when you can damage the seals as they pass over the wear ridge. That usually means a new master cylinder is required hence why Gravity bleeding works so well because the piston is never going to travel over that wear ridge. One little tip I use a Coke bottle say 600 ML in size thoroughly cleaned and fill that with fresh brake fluid then you carefully turn it upside down with the open neck in the master cylinder under the fluid level and it will not overflow and keep the master cylinder fluid level topped up so avoiding the scenario of running out of fluid in the system because if that happens then gravity bleeding will no longer work and more conventional and expensive methods are needed. Gravity bleeding is a good method but does not work in every scenario, Probably the hardest system I have ever had to bleed was my Alfa Romeo 1750 GTV, Master cylinder under the front floor two seperate brake boosters for the four wheel disk brakes and all too easy to get airlocks in the system but that was before either Pressure bleeders or Vacuum bleeders were invented. Many modern brake systems are actually filled from the Brake caliper up in the factory as Air naturally rises so starting at the lowest point means a quick successful brake bleed but bear in mind New Car New brakes and very fancy equipment that puts exactly the correct amount of fluid in the system, Not something easily done at home or even in most dealership workshops either. Another point to mention so many miss it does not matter how well you bleed your brakes they can still feel spongy especially so with the cheaper sliding type calipers that only have hydraulic pistons on one side and rely on the caliper body sliding across on pins to bring the opposite side brake pad to bear on the disk, If these pins or special bolts are seized then the caliper cannot move freely to allow the pads proper contact with the disk and as well often the brakes drag sometimes slightly often quite a lot so always make sure the caliper pins are free to move with brake caliper specific grease or nickel never seize just enough and not too much is the trick.
@@Boomnock0011 Not AI but a tech that started back in the early 1970's and still working solving many issues that are simply beyond most modern techs because they lack decent traing in most cases and of course the all important experience. Bottom line one does not need to experience something first hand when you can learn from the experiences of others which is what I have tried to achieve here. After all one does not have to burn ones hand on a hot stove after seeing somebody else do it does one, All the best Hope I have been of help cheers
@@mounteekanjanawijit5542 A huge syringe and the same tubing in this video works the best! The syringe type is the ones that are not meant for veins. Absolutely the easiest fastest way. Just suction at the caliper. No tipping containers to worry about. You can hang a painters cup or have a separate container to dump the syringe into.
I appreciate the video and not in any way trying to throw shade. But did anyone else feel like this was made in 1992, instead of 2022? "If" you vehicle has ABS brakes?? Almost every single car on the road will have it lol!
When gravity bleeding, I find it helpful to keep the end of the plastic tube higher than the bleeder screw (but below the master cylinder). This helps to ensure that the bleeder screw is under pressure rather than vacuum. If the bleeder screw is under vacuum (which would be the case if the end of the tube is below the bleeder screw), this vacuum can easily suck air into the system past the bleeder screw threads. This will cause a constant stream of air bubbles in the tube, which makes it impossible to know whether the system is bled.
Not true. If you leave the end of the hose submerged in brake fluid inside the container, you can pump your brakes, and as long as you check and top off the master cylinder each time, you can watch the air bubbles in the line. The air doesn't move that fast. The hose will be full of liquid and the air purges rapidly. It only sucks up the old fluid a few inches each time, but NO AIR. The only air traveling back up is air that was ALREADY ON ITS WAY OUT. After pumping it all out with the pedal, there's nothing coming back in. It goes out MUCH faster than the hose pulls back in. Try it and you'll see what I mean. When it runs clear and no bubbles, you're done and on to the next. Also works for clutch bleeding.
@@ragnaroksangelYou didn’t pay attention to what the poster was saying at all. You can do EXACTLY as you just referenced but sometimes air will be sucked in around the threads of the bleeder valve (or around a loose bleeder tube). It doesn’t mean there is air in your system, but it often makes it hard to truly tell when your fluid looks well.
I've used gravity bleeding for my motorcycles and car. One main advantage, especially on old vehicles, is not needing to depress the brake pedal. Doing this with the bleeder open means the pedal will go all the way to the floor and this means the master cylinder piston seals are pushed all the way to the end of the bore in the cylinder. Old vehicles, where there may be lots of debris/corrosion etc along the unswept section of the bore, could damage the seals on the piston. This will make for loss of braking pressure when using the car from then on. A rebuild kit will be necessary to correct. Gravity bleeds avoid this risk. Yes, they take longer, typically 15-30 min per wheel. But you can open two or all the wheels at same time to save some time. Most classic car restorers may use gravity bleeds for this reason, but any commercial shop will not due to time constraints.
Few people know this the rust in the bore is a killer for master cylinders.When I bleed brakes I only push the pedal down 2-3 inches then release very slowly.
@@johnsmith9161 I always put a 2x4 wood block under the brake pedal. Have been doing this for over forty years. I observed 'pros' doing brake jobs, they never do that, but they also leave the caliper dangling by the brake hose while removing the caliper knuckle to get at the rotor. But what do I know.
well hot damn. i may have just blown the seal on my master cylinder pistons on a 03 golf GTI. its somewhat of a project car, and im just learning to self perform alot of the work. had a friend help me bleed the brakes, and he was pumping them alot, and all of a sudden he said, "now theres no pressure. it was building pressure, and now there is none." it seems i may have discovered why that is...
I just changed 10 year old brake fluid out of my Honda and used new Honda brake fluid. Both were almost the exact same color. I have trouble telling when I have cleared out all of the old. I just kind of "guestimated" based on the length of line, so I'm not sure I got a perfect replacement. I wish they would make it clear or at least put some kind of dye in it that will fade away in time. Good video. I used this gravity method last year on a Ford but this time I had a helper. I was careful to tell him not to press all the way to the floor. Later I read a YT comment someone said- keep one of your (shoed) feet under the brake pedal while pressing with the other one. Sounds like a good idea.
I always do a two person job. The air gets purged quickly. Having your child or wife or friend help will build a lasting memory. I still remember when my dad asked me to press the brake pedal to bleed it.
I never understood the point of a helper. If you just have the end of the hose covered in fluid (ie, hose goes from bleeder into bottle with a small amount of new brake fluid, all the way to bottom so it stayed submerged) then air won't come in, right? So you can just pump the pedal 5-10 times, then just check everything (add fluid to master cylinder, make sure your bottle with old fluid isn't about to overflow), repeat if necessary. And then close the bleeder? It seems easier than opening and close the bleeder every single time to push the pedal? I'm asking genuinely btw not trying to be an ass.I've never done a two person one so maybe I'm missing something. Just after I did it how I described I've been confused about why the most common way people say to do it with two people - what's the benefit of bringing another person into this?
I prefer this: first attach clear bleeder hose to the fitting of choice. Route it up/use a hangoff point of some kind then drop it down to your bottle. That loop being higher than the bleeder [6" seems to work well enough most systems] is going to trap air bubbles and prevent them from returning to the system being bled. Then open the fitting with a flare wrench. Do not remove tubing while bleeder valve remains open.
You don't need a hang point. You should fill the bottle about 1/5th of the way and make sure the end of the tube stays inside the brake fluid. Pump brakes, check reservoir/top up, check hose for air bubbles. When it runs clear and no bubbles, you're done. You're adding extra steps and time
@@ragnaroksangelI'm going to try your method because I'm in a situation where it's a little bit tricky to find someone at the right time to help me pump the brakes being that I live alone. Worst thing that can happen is I have to go buy another container of brake fluid and do it the conventional way LOL. Thanks for the advice
Until I watched your video I had never hear of 'gravity brake bleeding'. Your explanations and video work are terrific. What is equally impressive are your concise straight forward directions. Reading the comments from others testifies to a very worthwhile video that should help a lot of folks. Thanks.
I did this many years ago and worked great. You may want to put some brake fluid in the waste bottle and have the end of the tube submerged in the fluid. It should show any bubble but also prevents any air being drawn back into the brake line. Good video
How does air enter when gravity is making the fluid empty out to the container unless you are pressing the brake and the break pedal is retracting. Maybe or your still right?
@@robertmedina3982 It's been 45 years since I did this on my 73 vette. As I remember (brain not hitting on all cylinders) I ran rubber hoses into two coke bottles on the front. I raised the backend up higher than the front brakes. The rubber hoses were attached to the front bleeder valves. I opened the bleeder valves slowly until I could see air bubbles in the coke bottle. I opened both sides and left overnight. I made sure there was plenty of fluid in the master cylinder. According to the Carcraft magazine article the fluid in the coke bottle prevented air from sneaking back into the system and you could see the bubbles. Just going by what Carcraft said.
@@robertmedina3982 Air will enter as the fluid leaks out, without a constant pressure from the master cylinder forcing air back it will enter and find the highest point in the system because the fluid is not taking up the whole area of the pipe, you will see that it runs down the walls of the pipe, but even with the end of the pipe under fluid air will enter around the bleed nipple thread.
Described it perfectly ... I have been doing this for years ..might title this video "Flushing" the brake system ..you can flush out all the old fluid this way ...Brake Fluid is Hydroscopic ..it attracts water and the brake lines etc. can rust from the inside ..same goes for the power steering ..flush that too ..
Great video. It worked perfectly on my Ford Probe. You could actually see air bubbles leaving in the brake fluid. My road test with cars power assist and 4 wheel disc brakes stopped the Probe perfectly. Now my brake pedal is same hight as my clutch. A new master cylinder was installed but needed a brake bleed. Thanks Red.
I usually place a length of wood between the front of the drivers seat and the brake pedal and then slide the seat forward a bit, placing it under pressure and then open bleeder for a short time. works good when working without a helper. might be a better way to go when replacing hydraulic parts.
Great video, I have learned that bleeding brakes at least every two years will remove moisture from the system. That moisture can build up at the wheel cylinders/calipers and cause the caliper to stick which causes damage to the brake pads and rotors.
If you bleeders are rusty tapping around the bleeder with a hammer and punch will help free the rust bond. If you live in New England you may want to do this before trying to open the bleeder
You're right. I only use this method and it has always wirked. Crack open the bleeder and let it drip for 30 min each. Keep the resivouir topped up. Have a few beers and wait. Works every time!
If when you've finished and start your engine, don't worry if you feel the brake pedal sink under your foot a little, this is just the brake booster / servo adding it's power to the pedal.
I'll never forget the first time I tried this years ago- I was so amazed that it actually worked! Sure beats the way I used to do it (By pumping up the brakes and then using a dried-out bag of cement to hold the pedal down while I'd go and close the bleeder screw....That way is faster...but a lot of running back and forth..and lifting). I always hated bleeding brakes...but now I actually don';t mind it.
I never do a gravity bleed. Add a bottle with hose and a one way valve just before the bottle top. Pump the brakes 3/4 to floor so you don't over extend the brake cylinder. By pumping the brakes (over gravity feed) you pump a lot of crap out that a gravity bleed will never touch. The only exception to this is if #1. you never bleed your brakes before and #2 is if your calipers are ancient or supper old and cylinder corrosion is well under way. But in all cases, if you bleed your brakes once a rear, than the pump the brake peddle method is going to keep those calipers way cleaner and last a long time before they need replacement or rebuild.
Just used this method yesterday to change out the brake fluid in my '03 4Runner Limited. I suctioned out as much as I could from the reservoir, two baby food jars full, then put a length of clear vinyl hose on each front caliper bleed screw and let them bleed into clear plastic containers for about an hour (about two more jars full), refilled with fresh fluid and ... done.
Thank you so much for your time. Very concise and to the point. Very clear speaking voice and good volume. Many people can take many good points from you. All the best and may God bless.
i drilled a hole in my brake fluid reservoir cap and threaded in a fitting. i use a garden sprayer and pump it up. does a fine job at getting it all sorted. most of the time those bleeder screws are hell. ive spent hours getting one unstuck.
ive had one stuck so bad I worked on it for a few hour's at a time on n off few days. then finally watched you tube for some tips. cause I tried everything I knew. I was limited on funds and couldn't afford the bleeder screw removal tool you can buy or any bolt removal tools. so I made one with my welder and an old socket and basically cut out three spots at the bottom of the socket and welded nuts for three bolts so I could tighten the socket around the badly stripped bleeder valve and then heated it up with a torch and cooled it with upside down aerosol can and then it finally came loose. I was about to cut it off and drill and tap it but glad I didn't have to go that route.
A good video and well presented. However, without using the push pedal method air can still be trapped in the brake lines. It is possible with the gravity method for an air bubble to be present and for the fluid to seep by it.
I saw a video with an interesting idea take strainer out of way in master cylinder and open a fresh bottle of brake fluid open it and put it upside down into master cylinder, so it acts like a water cooler and fills cylinder to level of neck of bottle. of course, this will only work in some master cylinders but seems like a great idea to not have to keep filling cylinder and might add a smidge more pressure to brake fluid coming out
I have done a similar method for years. However I put a nut on the outside of the end of the tubing in the bottle and put enough brake fluid in the bottle to make sure the tubing end stays in the brake fluid so it cannot suck air. Then loosen the bleeder screw a bit. And then slow pump brakes until no air bubbles come down tube into bottle. tighten bleeder screw and repeat on other 3 wheels. Fast and easy for one person. I have found that silicone air line tubing for aquariums works best for the tubing. I also cut 2 holes in the jar I am using. 1 for the main tuber and another to let the jar breathe but I poke the bleeder end of the tubing down in the extra hole to keep the whole setup clean while stored until next use. Also do not loosen the bleeder screw so much that it sucks air between pumps of brake. And of course top up reservoir after each wheel is done. I likd eto use a plastic peanut butter jar and drill 2 holes in lid sized so that the tubing fits snugly in them.
Good advice on the silicone tubing; regular poly tubing seem to always want to wander around on me, and the silicone tubing just lays there without flexing.
It works for bleeding of a full hydraulic system with air at the wheel cylinders or near them. If you have to replace the master cylinder or ABS modulator or air is captured at the ABS modulator (where the brake lines are at their highest level) it won't.
I keep a sacrificial Shop Vac, the $30 Wally special, for slurping out fluids. stick a plastic tube in the vac end, wrap tape around to seal the two different size ends together, and instantly empty the reservoir. You can even add a little fluid back in and slurp again in case you cant get all of the fluid on the bottom due to reservoir design. Refill with new fluid, put a hose on the bleeder and crack it. If you have a helper, they can push on the brake pedal, which is the most powerful brake bleeder made. watch the dark coffee colored fluid come out, turn to light yellow, close the bleeder, and refill the reservoir and go to the next wheel. If you don't have air in the lines, it isn't as important to start with the wheel that is the farthest from the reservoir.
I dump the old master cylinder fluid into the "Gatorade" bottle and run the tube to the vary bottom. Press the brake pedal a couple times but only half way down. This fills the clear tube with fluid. Since the end is submerged, no air can enter the blead valve or the clear tube. This also creates a syphon effect that helps pull the fluid through the system. Slow shallow pumping will speed up the process.
One time I was putting all new stainless line on my 99 Silverado which were rotting out. We were having a hard time getting the brake fluid through the lines, so we cut a small hole in the master cylinder cap and forced air from a air compressor into the master cylinder. It worked, just had to get a new cap.
Honda always recommends their brand fluids over any other. Dealership parts manager said that brake fluid is not a specialty item & that any good fluid will be fine. Ed c
I am a young mechanic and have been in the trade for 5 years so far. I have been in workshops using vacuum bleeding on brakes but I do enjoy gravity bleeding. Seeing how workshops, especially ones I work at, have been go-go-go, I do not get to gravity bleed. I only gravity bleed if I have to disasemble calipers or replace calipers as I find that gravity bleeding is the most effective for this Love the video!
If you bleeder valve / screw is stuck be sure to use a six point wrench or socket. A twelve point will strip much easier. Also do not torque hydraulic valves or bleeder valves shut. They seal by the way they are designed with an angular seat. They do not need to be torqued to keep a good seal. People think it is a high pressure hydraulic safety issue, so it must be very tight. But that is not the case, just a very light finger tight will do. This is a common misunderstanding when people use jacks or bleeders and it will cause the part to stick when the next guy has to loosen it. Or it can destroy the hydraulic cylinder if it breaks when being removed.
You can torque it to the manufacturer's specs. It's not much, 7-10 Nm in my case. The worst is not having the protective cap on it and it'll seize from crap getting in it.
Some gravity bleed real good, just did my 91 cherokee, even flushed the whole reservoir and all lines, almost does the job itself. I started with RR and just let run until dry then refilled and kept full as I bled them all. Some of the other cars I have tried worked and some don't.
Awesome video. Thank you for posting this. I needed to do a gravity bleed due to accidentally pressing the brake pedal at one point while changing my brakes that caused the piston to come out. This video is excellent education for doing the gravity bleed and getting me right back into business.
There is a tool you can get for only a few bucks for pushing the piston back, and you can make one yourself, which I feel would be a better use of time than having to bleed the brakes.
I did the exact same thing.Not remembering that I removed all 4 pads prior to replacing the first set.With one piston coming out, hope it didn't mess it up.Thought I had a leak the next day.Must of been excess drippage from the rubber flange.The fluid level rose;must be air in the line or cylinder.Although pedal isn't bad and breaks are working well.Atleast with new rotors and pads,no steaks whatsoever.They sold me ceramic selects.The bleeding? Dang it!
Before removing any wheel cylinders or calipers , I put something behind the brake pedal . This seems to cut the fluid loss . Usually an empty plastic container works , from anti freeze , etc. And if you want to go further , remove the bleeder screws , wire brush or wire wheel and put a THIN coat of anti seize on . They loosen easier the next time .
While always having fluid in reservoir to max line. Need to put fluid into waste container in case of back flow and raise it above bleeder valve just like gravity let's fluid drip raising it up will let air bubbles out you will then see if line is filled with only fluid that way you know you are done. If changing all fluid for clean one then keep at it untill clear fluid comes out.
Great speaker I'm old school although I have cracked right rear left over night o one I found impossible to bleed b160 ihc most remember to close first thing. I enjoyed your presentation
Seems to me that this gravity feed method would work best with earlier cars that do not have ABS braking systems. I personally like using a Mityvac vacuum pump on each bleeder.
What else works is park on a steep hill. Had a car just couldn't get air out of new line after several times. Looked after buddies Island for a long weekend ahead parked on a fairly steep hill. After returning to car I was coming out to highway and went to pump brake twice (as had done because of air in line) almost put my head through windshield as air had bled itself
Pneumatic bleeders also work by gravity. You need compressed air and a 30 dollar kit from Harbor Freight. They work fast and the velocity helps flush out the system.
Wow, this is such a great tip sir! Have always thought the brake pedal needs to be pumped throughout the procedure. Thank you very much dear proclaimliberty2000.
I have been doing this for years in my Toyota aygo and corolla. No problem, just need little bit of patience. The biggest advantage is that there is no need to worry about air being suckled in. It starts slowly and then picks up speed so it is not that slow. Use the plastic tube like in the video, so no spilling on the ground. Don't forget to fill the reservoir.
I have done this many times but I also like to do everything he said but put the hose in a full bottle of brake fluid and then pump them a couple times. I have never had any problems doing that especially when alone
If you are gravity bleeding it just let most of the old brake fluid drain out of the reservoir before topping it off. Your turkey will taste better. Use a coolant system pressure tester, press down against the round top and pump 3 or 4psi of air against the fluid. It moves the fluid over 10 times faster and moves it uphill if needed.
@@jaymartell2967 No its not risky. It's difficult and frustrating to hold it centered up and push down enough to seal it. They used to have pressure bleeders that stapped down against cast iron masters and latched down to the plastic round cap resevoirs. They used regulators to reduce shop air pressure, they would make a brake fluid mess if they leaked. A real risk with the paint. A haldheld coolant pressure pump never spits and the resevoir never splits. Think of coolant resevoirs that hold 15 psi for years.
I've always had a nice spray bottle that I use. Stick the tube in (make sure it's on stream so it doesn't take forever) and just squirt it in to the bottle that it came from. It'll take a couple weeks, but if you do it every other day the fluid will be replaced a little quicker. $40 in brake fluid beats $100 or more at a shop for a flush. You should still bleed your calipers to make sure there's no air in the lines.
I don't see what you mean when you say watch for air bubbles - How are you going to see that when the fluid is not filling the tubing because the drip is so slow? Without a solid column of liquid in your 5/16th line, how do you know you have air or not?
I suspect this slow drip, drip would allow brake fluid to slip past any air bubbles trapped in the line. So I would opt to have 2nd person pump the brake, have enough tubing to have a high spot above the bleeder to help trap air bubbles, keep end of tubing submerged to avoid air drawn in when brake pedal is released.
Most cars for last 20 years will have ABS pump and best method for cars with ABS is first wheel farthest from ABS pump and last wheel the closest to the ABS pump. If ABS pump is located front right: rear left -> rear right -> front left -> front right. If ABS pump is located front left: rear right -> rear left -> front right -> front left. For older cars without ABS system method is same as above only swap the word ABS pump with master cylinder. If master cylinder is located front right: rear left -> rear right -> front left -> front right. If master cylinder is located front left: rear right -> rear left -> front right -> front left.
And Hod bless you also brother. I should of known your a believer. I’ve watch several vids As many as 10!plus this last year. Not one man showing many ways to bleed master clutch and brakes had the teaching wisdom this man displayed here. Just fyi on the above. Note a Proverb ; Wisdom and understanding makes the best teaching This man kicks butt
On some 1950 s and earlier classic cars the master cylinder and reservoir was located below the floor in combination with drum front brakes with this set up gravity doesn't work. When bleeding in brakes on cars with diagonal split circuit always bleed one diagonal circuit first before opening a bleeder on other diagonal. With a front and rear circuit split design as used particularly on some Fords bleed rear circuit then front circuit. Always best of course not to let excessive air into the system when replacing brake components as this can cause problems flushing and bleeding the system
That is really nice thank you sir I forgot about doing it that way I'm old school mechanic too and that way is excellent thank you so much you will help a lot of people God bless you brother bye
It won't tell you if you have a leak that sucks air in when the pedal is released. I have had a wheel cylinder that did not leak out but did leak air in.... It only leaked one way..... Gave me absolute fits because no matter how much I bled the air bubbles would not go away there. Until I replace the wheel cylinder.... Then it made sense. Hand vacuum pump works well enough. You will need a higher flow rate than a drip to purge air out of tubing high spots.
Years ago I stopped by to see a mechanic I knew that worked at a lube/brake shop and he had a car on a lift. He proceeded to open all four bleeder screws at once and just let the fluid fall on the floor! Inside I was freaking out but he told me it was an old trick and closed the screws, let the car down and finished up. I didn't see if he had some way of refilling the master while bleeding the lines...
Yay! Glad this is actually "a thing". I sorta discovered it by accident recently while replacing a drum brake slave cylinder with nothing on hand to pinch the flex line off. I capped the brake line (with the normal bleed nipple cover!) to prevent huge loss of fluid while working. By the time I had everything together and the drum back on the cylinder was already nicely filled and weeping out the bleeder!
This is just a low buck fluid flush, which I like but NOT an air bleeding procedure. Gravity bleeding is only really useful if you are changing calipers or wheel cylinders, it almost always never works on a master r&r. If you are installing a bench beld master the quickest way to finish the job is pump bleeding it, in my experience. Can't tell you how many people have came to my shop because they changed just one or 2 and then tried to bleed the whole system and jacked it up. But you also have the people that think you have to crack the hydraulic system open to do a normal brake job so...
this is all good stuff, but before doing anything else, remove calipers and pads, stick the pins back in to hold it,, first extend the piston slightly and clean it well by touching the pedal, then put slight tension on the piston with a c-clamp etc with a tube and wrench on the bleeder and crack it open ... drive the piston all the way in and let it force all the junk out of the caliper, thats where most of the air and gunk accumulates, do that and its in decent shape and you can follow the rest of this procedures in this vid for an overall flush ... but id do the above 'first' everytime you do pads or as a matter of periodic maintenance .. relube and clean pins and sliders, and youll never have issues ..
This works but it is my opinion that gravity bleeding leaves more old wet fluid trapped in "pockets" in the master cylinder and in the calipers near the pistons than does a method that forces fluid through the system rapidly under pressure (thus forcing fresh fluid in all sections of the master cylinder and near the caliper pistons). Also, gravity bleeding is less likely to remove any bubbles that stick to the internal hydraulic surfaces. However, if the system has not been opened (no trapped air) and the fluid has been changed often enough, this might not be a problem. Unfortunately, what the mechanic will usually find is old dark wet fluid. A workaround would be to gravity bleed a second time after driving the car for a while. However, even pumping the brake pedal between bleeding wheel cylinders and bleeding each wheel cylinder twice would be helpful.
Curious whether this process couldn't be further simplified slightly by skipping removing all the old fluid from the reservoir with the turkey baster or whatnot (@2:30), instead just go straight to bleeding the furthest wheel, then watch the reservoir, adding new fluid to the reservoir when it is nearly empty? In other words, leveraging gravity for the ENTIRE brake fuild replacement (reservoir as well as the lines)
Nice teaching. The only thing I do differently is to partially fill the waste container with a little brake fluid to keep the bottom end of the hose from getting air into the lines. This added item may not apply to gravity bleeding, however.
hi - also i have a collection of cheap washers that i slide at the end of the flexi hose in the collecting can to weight it down and keep the end hose "weighed down" and not curl up and get air into it - i have seen a shop use a old bic pen outer casing slid over the last 6 inches or so to have it lay flat
I just use a longer piece of tubing and tie wrap it to something so the free end points straight up. Avoid any loops or high points in the tube that will let air stay trapped in the tube. Make sure your master cylinder is full, attach the tube to the bleeder like shown and then crack open the bleeder. Slowly press the lever and the tube starts to fill, top off the master cylinder while the lever is still pressed, close the bleeder, release the lever, open the bleeder and slowly cycle the lever until the bubbles stop coming out into the tube while keeping the master cylinder full and in a few minutes you're done. Bike brake systems don't hold much fluid and I've found that using the bottle method wastes a lot of brake fluid.
@@gorflunk I didn't read all the comments but for old polaris snowmobiles and bikes like harley go to fleet farm or tractor supply and get the big cattle syringes. push fluid from the bottom up because air likes to rise. Suck out the dirty fluid from the resevoir. Small plunger strokes on american iron likes to make the air bubbles not move much so they don't come out of the bleeder very well.
I always liked Gravity bleeding, the Only problem I ever had was a frozen bleeder screw, And was hard to find the right size tube or my different site leaders I would be working on otherwise I would just place a rag there
it is not enough to press brake pedal once and before you release, bleed connector must be closed otherwise it will surge air on threads, and is better to bleed at least 1dcl of fluid from every brake to get new oil into caliper
So good to see that Red Forman has a successful YT career after that 70s show
This was a random video suggestion and in the first second I was like what the bleep, lol!
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It seems a lot of people do not understand the how and why of this process and a number who have commented say to pump the brake pedal that more often than not will cause problems and this is why.
Under normal operation the pedal only travels a certain distance and if you attempt to bleed brakes pumping the pedal it travels much further, Fine with new components but with an older Master Cylinder it usually has some wear and that creates a wear ridge inside the master cylinder so when you push the pedal and move the piston with it's seals past that wear point that is when you can damage the seals as they pass over the wear ridge.
That usually means a new master cylinder is required hence why Gravity bleeding works so well because the piston is never going to travel over that wear ridge.
One little tip I use a Coke bottle say 600 ML in size thoroughly cleaned and fill that with fresh brake fluid then you carefully turn it upside down with the open neck in the master cylinder under the fluid level and it will not overflow and keep the master cylinder fluid level topped up so avoiding the scenario of running out of fluid in the system because if that happens then gravity bleeding will no longer work and more conventional and expensive methods are needed.
Gravity bleeding is a good method but does not work in every scenario, Probably the hardest system I have ever had to bleed was my Alfa Romeo 1750 GTV, Master cylinder under the front floor two seperate brake boosters for the four wheel disk brakes and all too easy to get airlocks in the system but that was before either Pressure bleeders or Vacuum bleeders were invented.
Many modern brake systems are actually filled from the Brake caliper up in the factory as Air naturally rises so starting at the lowest point means a quick successful brake bleed but bear in mind New Car New brakes and very fancy equipment that puts exactly the correct amount of fluid in the system, Not something easily done at home or even in most dealership workshops either.
Another point to mention so many miss it does not matter how well you bleed your brakes they can still feel spongy especially so with the cheaper sliding type calipers that only have hydraulic pistons on one side and rely on the caliper body sliding across on pins to bring the opposite side brake pad to bear on the disk, If these pins or special bolts are seized then the caliper cannot move freely to allow the pads proper contact with the disk and as well often the brakes drag sometimes slightly often quite a lot so always make sure the caliper pins are free to move with brake caliper specific grease or nickel never seize just enough and not too much is the trick.
I've burnt my eyes reading this but thanks a lot. Very well laid out, seems from experience. You are not AI are you?
@@Boomnock0011 Not AI but a tech that started back in the early 1970's and still working solving many issues that are simply beyond most modern techs because they lack decent traing in most cases and of course the all important experience.
Bottom line one does not need to experience something first hand when you can learn from the experiences of others which is what I have tried to achieve here.
After all one does not have to burn ones hand on a hot stove after seeing somebody else do it does one, All the best Hope I have been of help cheers
Stephen, you are a smart Dude😊
This is an experienced man with knowledge to share. Thanks.
Dude....make your video...dont ride somebodies shirt tail...
If this will eliminate my wife from the equation, I'm in.
Ahaha +1
Exactly why im watching
@@mounteekanjanawijit5542 A huge syringe and the same tubing in this video works the best! The syringe type is the ones that are not meant for veins. Absolutely the easiest fastest way. Just suction at the caliper. No tipping containers to worry about. You can hang a painters cup or have a separate container to dump the syringe into.
Pinholes in the lines, but you didn't hear that from me.
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Thank you for sharing this. I like your no-nonsense approach to the issue! No BS! No music! Just get right to the point! Thanks again.
I appreciate the video and not in any way trying to throw shade. But did anyone else feel like this was made in 1992, instead of 2022? "If" you vehicle has ABS brakes?? Almost every single car on the road will have it lol!
When gravity bleeding, I find it helpful to keep the end of the plastic tube higher than the bleeder screw (but below the master cylinder). This helps to ensure that the bleeder screw is under pressure rather than vacuum. If the bleeder screw is under vacuum (which would be the case if the end of the tube is below the bleeder screw), this vacuum can easily suck air into the system past the bleeder screw threads. This will cause a constant stream of air bubbles in the tube, which makes it impossible to know whether the system is bled.
A bead of grease around the bleeder screw where it screws in will also prevent air from entering.
I noticed that so I dabbed grease around the threads . It thick enough to stop the air but then I can wipe it off
I was wondering about that too. Makes sense to keep it a little higher than the bleed screw.
Not true. If you leave the end of the hose submerged in brake fluid inside the container, you can pump your brakes, and as long as you check and top off the master cylinder each time, you can watch the air bubbles in the line. The air doesn't move that fast. The hose will be full of liquid and the air purges rapidly. It only sucks up the old fluid a few inches each time, but NO AIR. The only air traveling back up is air that was ALREADY ON ITS WAY OUT. After pumping it all out with the pedal, there's nothing coming back in. It goes out MUCH faster than the hose pulls back in. Try it and you'll see what I mean. When it runs clear and no bubbles, you're done and on to the next. Also works for clutch bleeding.
@@ragnaroksangelYou didn’t pay attention to what the poster was saying at all. You can do EXACTLY as you just referenced but sometimes air will be sucked in around the threads of the bleeder valve (or around a loose bleeder tube). It doesn’t mean there is air in your system, but it often makes it hard to truly tell when your fluid looks well.
I've used gravity bleeding for my motorcycles and car. One main advantage, especially on old vehicles, is not needing to depress the brake pedal. Doing this with the bleeder open means the pedal will go all the way to the floor and this means the master cylinder piston seals are pushed all the way to the end of the bore in the cylinder. Old vehicles, where there may be lots of debris/corrosion etc along the unswept section of the bore, could damage the seals on the piston. This will make for loss of braking pressure when using the car from then on. A rebuild kit will be necessary to correct. Gravity bleeds avoid this risk. Yes, they take longer, typically 15-30 min per wheel. But you can open two or all the wheels at same time to save some time. Most classic car restorers may use gravity bleeds for this reason, but any commercial shop will not due to time constraints.
Few people know this the rust in the bore is a killer for master cylinders.When I bleed brakes I only push the pedal down 2-3 inches then release very slowly.
@@johnsmith9161 I always put a 2x4 wood block under the brake pedal. Have been doing this for over forty years.
I observed 'pros' doing brake jobs, they never do that, but they also leave the caliper dangling by the brake hose while removing the caliper knuckle to get at the rotor. But what do I know.
well hot damn. i may have just blown the seal on my master cylinder pistons on a 03 golf GTI. its somewhat of a project car, and im just learning to self perform alot of the work. had a friend help me bleed the brakes, and he was pumping them alot, and all of a sudden he said, "now theres no pressure. it was building pressure, and now there is none." it seems i may have discovered why that is...
Thankyou, reckon I've done this to my old T1 Mercedes van. I've never seen or heard this mentioned anywhere before. Are they hard to rebuild?
@@WoodgemanX The "pros" dont care about your car, they just want the time done to get paid. This gravity bleeding takes too long in a shop.
I just changed 10 year old brake fluid out of my Honda and used new Honda brake fluid. Both were almost the exact same color. I have trouble telling when I have cleared out all of the old. I just kind of "guestimated" based on the length of line, so I'm not sure I got a perfect replacement. I wish they would make it clear or at least put some kind of dye in it that will fade away in time. Good video. I used this gravity method last year on a Ford but this time I had a helper. I was careful to tell him not to press all the way to the floor. Later I read a YT comment someone said- keep one of your (shoed) feet under the brake pedal while pressing with the other one. Sounds like a good idea.
I always do a two person job. The air gets purged quickly. Having your child or wife or friend help will build a lasting memory. I still remember when my dad asked me to press the brake pedal to bleed it.
I never understood the point of a helper. If you just have the end of the hose covered in fluid (ie, hose goes from bleeder into bottle with a small amount of new brake fluid, all the way to bottom so it stayed submerged) then air won't come in, right? So you can just pump the pedal 5-10 times, then just check everything (add fluid to master cylinder, make sure your bottle with old fluid isn't about to overflow), repeat if necessary. And then close the bleeder? It seems easier than opening and close the bleeder every single time to push the pedal? I'm asking genuinely btw not trying to be an ass.I've never done a two person one so maybe I'm missing something. Just after I did it how I described I've been confused about why the most common way people say to do it with two people - what's the benefit of bringing another person into this?
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@@BlitzSixx two persons in case there is no non-return valve in the nipple I would say.
when you finish brake bonding, you can move on to the losing of the 10mm socket
The important part if using someone operating the pedal, is that when up, must be completely up, foot off the pedal
I prefer this: first attach clear bleeder hose to the fitting of choice. Route it up/use a hangoff point of some kind then drop it down to your bottle. That loop being higher than the bleeder [6" seems to work well enough most systems] is going to trap air bubbles and prevent them from returning to the system being bled. Then open the fitting with a flare wrench. Do not remove tubing while bleeder valve remains open.
You don't need a hang point. You should fill the bottle about 1/5th of the way and make sure the end of the tube stays inside the brake fluid. Pump brakes, check reservoir/top up, check hose for air bubbles. When it runs clear and no bubbles, you're done. You're adding extra steps and time
@@ragnaroksangelI'm going to try your method because I'm in a situation where it's a little bit tricky to find someone at the right time to help me pump the brakes being that I live alone. Worst thing that can happen is I have to go buy another container of brake fluid and do it the conventional way LOL. Thanks for the advice
Until I watched your video I had never hear of 'gravity brake bleeding'. Your explanations and video work are terrific. What is equally impressive are your concise straight forward directions. Reading the comments from others testifies to a very worthwhile video that should help a lot of folks. Thanks.
I did this many years ago and worked great. You may want to put some brake fluid in the waste bottle and have the end of the tube submerged in the fluid. It should show any bubble but also prevents any air being drawn back into the brake line. Good video
yes, everyone should have some in the waste container from emptying the reservoir first!
How does air enter when gravity is making the fluid empty out to the container unless you are pressing the brake and the break pedal is retracting. Maybe or your still right?
@@robertmedina3982 It's been 45 years since I did this on my 73 vette. As I remember (brain not hitting on all cylinders) I ran rubber hoses into two coke bottles on the front. I raised the backend up higher than the front brakes. The rubber hoses were attached to the front bleeder valves. I opened the bleeder valves slowly until I could see air bubbles in the coke bottle. I opened both sides and left overnight. I made sure there was plenty of fluid in the master cylinder. According to the Carcraft magazine article the fluid in the coke bottle prevented air from sneaking back into the system and you could see the bubbles. Just going by what Carcraft said.
@@farmanthor3770 I believe you and did not meant no disrespect. Thank you.
@@robertmedina3982 Air will enter as the fluid leaks out, without a constant pressure from the master cylinder forcing air back it will enter and find the highest point in the system because the fluid is not taking up the whole area of the pipe, you will see that it runs down the walls of the pipe, but even with the end of the pipe under fluid air will enter around the bleed nipple thread.
Described it perfectly ... I have been doing this for years ..might title this video "Flushing" the brake system ..you can flush out all the old fluid this way ...Brake Fluid is Hydroscopic ..it attracts water and the brake lines etc. can rust from the inside ..same goes for the power steering ..flush that too ..
Straight forward. This is proves that expensive tools are not required for every job
Great video. It worked perfectly on my Ford Probe. You could actually see air bubbles leaving in the brake fluid. My road test with cars power assist and 4 wheel disc brakes stopped the Probe perfectly. Now my brake pedal is same hight as my clutch. A new master cylinder was installed but needed a brake bleed. Thanks Red.
To all he keyboard jockeys, thank you
Yor videos are always shot, clear and to the point. Thanks for respecting my time
I usually place a length of wood between the front of the drivers seat and the brake pedal and then slide the seat forward a bit, placing it under pressure and then open bleeder for a short time. works good when working without a helper. might be a better way to go when replacing hydraulic parts.
Great video, I have learned that bleeding brakes at least every two years will remove moisture from the system. That moisture can build up at the wheel cylinders/calipers and cause the caliper to stick which causes damage to the brake pads and rotors.
Moisture in the brake fluid also makes it boil at a lower temperature. May causing brake fade or complete loss of braking when the brake are very hot.
If you bleeders are rusty tapping around the bleeder with a hammer and punch will help free the rust bond. If you live in New England you may want to do this before trying to open the bleeder
You're right. I only use this method and it has always wirked. Crack open the bleeder and let it drip for 30 min each. Keep the resivouir topped up. Have a few beers and wait. Works every time!
Exactly what I do.
This sounds like a job to my liking.😄🍺🍺🍺🍺 Does this method also work if the brake system has been completely drained beforehand?
If when you've finished and start your engine, don't worry if you feel the brake pedal sink under your foot a little, this is just the brake booster / servo adding it's power to the pedal.
I'll never forget the first time I tried this years ago- I was so amazed that it actually worked! Sure beats the way I used to do it (By pumping up the brakes and then using a dried-out bag of cement to hold the pedal down while I'd go and close the bleeder screw....That way is faster...but a lot of running back and forth..and lifting). I always hated bleeding brakes...but now I actually don';t mind it.
I never do a gravity bleed. Add a bottle with hose and a one way valve just before the bottle top. Pump the brakes 3/4 to floor so you don't over extend the brake cylinder. By pumping the brakes (over gravity feed) you pump a lot of crap out that a gravity bleed will never touch. The only exception to this is if #1. you never bleed your brakes before and #2 is if your calipers are ancient or supper old and cylinder corrosion is well under way. But in all cases, if you bleed your brakes once a rear, than the pump the brake peddle method is going to keep those calipers way cleaner and last a long time before they need replacement or rebuild.
Just used this method yesterday to change out the brake fluid in my '03 4Runner Limited. I suctioned out as much as I could from the reservoir, two baby food jars full, then put a length of clear vinyl hose on each front caliper bleed screw and let them bleed into clear plastic containers for about an hour (about two more jars full), refilled with fresh fluid and ... done.
Thank you so much for your time. Very concise and to the point. Very clear speaking voice and good volume. Many people can take many good points from you. All the best and may God bless.
i drilled a hole in my brake fluid reservoir cap and threaded in a fitting.
i use a garden sprayer and pump it up.
does a fine job at getting it all sorted.
most of the time those bleeder screws are hell. ive spent hours getting one unstuck.
ive had one stuck so bad I worked on it for a few hour's at a time on n off few days. then finally watched you tube for some tips. cause I tried everything I knew. I was limited on funds and couldn't afford the bleeder screw removal tool you can buy or any bolt removal tools. so I made one with my welder and an old socket and basically cut out three spots at the bottom of the socket and welded nuts for three bolts so I could tighten the socket around the badly stripped bleeder valve and then heated it up with a torch and cooled it with upside down aerosol can and then it finally came loose. I was about to cut it off and drill and tap it but glad I didn't have to go that route.
A good video and well presented. However, without using the push pedal method air can still be trapped in the brake lines. It is possible with the gravity method for an air bubble to be present and for the fluid to seep by it.
No. If you leave it ling enough and keep the reservoir full the fluid will displace all of the air.
This is a great video. It not only gives us an easier option but removes the risk of damaging seals, etc. Thanks so much for sharing this method!
I saw a video with an interesting idea take strainer out of way in master cylinder and open a fresh bottle of brake fluid open it and put it upside down into master cylinder, so it acts like a water cooler and fills cylinder to level of neck of bottle. of course, this will only work in some master cylinders but seems like a great idea to not have to keep filling cylinder and might add a smidge more pressure to brake fluid coming out
I have done a similar method for years. However I put a nut on the outside of the end of the tubing in the bottle and put enough brake fluid in the bottle to make sure the tubing end stays in the brake fluid so it cannot suck air. Then loosen the bleeder screw a bit. And then slow pump brakes until no air bubbles come down tube into bottle. tighten bleeder screw and repeat on other 3 wheels. Fast and easy for one person. I have found that silicone air line tubing for aquariums works best for the tubing. I also cut 2 holes in the jar I am using. 1 for the main tuber and another to let the jar breathe but I poke the bleeder end of the tubing down in the extra hole to keep the whole setup clean while stored until next use. Also do not loosen the bleeder screw so much that it sucks air between pumps of brake. And of course top up reservoir after each wheel is done. I likd eto use a plastic peanut butter jar and drill 2 holes in lid sized so that the tubing fits snugly in them.
One person? While you're pumping the brakes, how do you know when no bubbles come down the tube?
@@postalinVT Just what I was thinking too.
Good advice on the silicone tubing; regular poly tubing seem to always want to wander around on me, and the silicone tubing just lays there without flexing.
It works for bleeding of a full hydraulic system with air at the wheel cylinders or near them. If you have to replace the master cylinder or ABS modulator or air is captured at the ABS modulator (where the brake lines are at their highest level) it won't.
I keep a sacrificial Shop Vac, the $30 Wally special, for slurping out fluids. stick a plastic tube in the vac end, wrap tape around to seal the two different size ends together, and instantly empty the reservoir. You can even add a little fluid back in and slurp again in case you cant get all of the fluid on the bottom due to reservoir design.
Refill with new fluid, put a hose on the bleeder and crack it.
If you have a helper, they can push on the brake pedal, which is the most powerful brake bleeder made. watch the dark coffee colored fluid come out, turn to light yellow, close the bleeder, and refill the reservoir and go to the next wheel. If you don't have air in the lines, it isn't as important to start with the wheel that is the farthest from the reservoir.
The Scotty Kilmer accent and actions does it for me. Priceless!
And, WITHOUT the "crazy man" arm waving!
I dump the old master cylinder fluid into the "Gatorade" bottle and run the tube to the vary bottom. Press the brake pedal a couple times but only half way down. This fills the clear tube with fluid. Since the end is submerged, no air can enter the blead valve or the clear tube. This also creates a syphon effect that helps pull the fluid through the system. Slow shallow pumping will speed up the process.
Why not pump all the way to the floor?
@@auginater4200 no harm, just tired leg from going to the floor. You move more fluid on the first half of the pedal.
One time I was putting all new stainless line on my 99 Silverado which were rotting out. We were having a hard time getting the brake fluid through the lines, so we cut a small hole in the master cylinder cap and forced air from a air compressor into the master cylinder. It worked, just had to get a new cap.
Honda always recommends their brand fluids over any other. Dealership parts manager said that brake fluid is not a specialty item & that any good fluid will be fine.
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One of our senior tech at Nissan did this and it was amazing to watch😊
I am a young mechanic and have been in the trade for 5 years so far. I have been in workshops using vacuum bleeding on brakes but I do enjoy gravity bleeding.
Seeing how workshops, especially ones I work at, have been go-go-go, I do not get to gravity bleed.
I only gravity bleed if I have to disasemble calipers or replace calipers as I find that gravity bleeding is the most effective for this
Love the video!
If you bleeder valve / screw is stuck be sure to use a six point wrench or socket. A twelve point will strip much easier. Also do not torque hydraulic valves or bleeder valves shut. They seal by the way they are designed with an angular seat. They do not need to be torqued to keep a good seal. People think it is a high pressure hydraulic safety issue, so it must be very tight. But that is not the case, just a very light finger tight will do. This is a common misunderstanding when people use jacks or bleeders and it will cause the part to stick when the next guy has to loosen it. Or it can destroy the hydraulic cylinder if it breaks when being removed.
You can torque it to the manufacturer's specs. It's not much, 7-10 Nm in my case. The worst is not having the protective cap on it and it'll seize from crap getting in it.
@@onpsxmember they always fall off
Danke sehr!
good point
Some gravity bleed real good, just did my 91 cherokee, even flushed the whole reservoir and all lines, almost does the job itself. I started with RR and just let run until dry then refilled and kept full as I bled them all. Some of the other cars I have tried worked and some don't.
Well demonstrated & explained & I echo the comments of another guy who said " No BS & no music ! "
This brother is a fantastic teacher
Thanks Sir
This was awesome! I used this on my motorcycle and works fantastic. I used silicone tubing instead of plastic. Thanks so much for sharing!
I used a Taco Bell straw with a Mtn Dew bottle to do my car like a real gamer 😂
Awesome video. Thank you for posting this. I needed to do a gravity bleed due to accidentally pressing the brake pedal at one point while changing my brakes that caused the piston to come out. This video is excellent education for doing the gravity bleed and getting me right back into business.
There is a tool you can get for only a few bucks for pushing the piston back, and you can make one yourself, which I feel would be a better use of time than having to bleed the brakes.
I did the exact same thing.Not remembering that I removed all 4 pads prior to replacing the first set.With one piston coming out, hope it didn't mess it up.Thought I had a leak the next day.Must of been excess drippage from the rubber flange.The fluid level rose;must be air in the line or cylinder.Although pedal isn't bad and breaks are working well.Atleast with new rotors and pads,no steaks whatsoever.They sold me ceramic selects.The bleeding? Dang it!
No squeaks damn spell check
Before removing any wheel cylinders or calipers , I put something behind the brake pedal . This seems to cut the fluid loss . Usually an empty plastic container works , from anti freeze , etc. And if you want to go further , remove the bleeder screws , wire brush or wire wheel and put a THIN coat of anti seize on . They loosen easier the next time .
This man is like chirstfix, but your video are different and I love the content keep it up and thank you for helping me fix my airbags 🙏
You’re very welcome! 👍😊
Dont give a shit about ukraine. Why show public support for money laundering?
Nah I get Scotty Kilmer vibes from him. In the way he sounds, pace of the video and that end part with the dog.
While always having fluid in reservoir to max line. Need to put fluid into waste container in case of back flow and raise it above bleeder valve just like gravity let's fluid drip raising it up will let air bubbles out you will then see if line is filled with only fluid that way you know you are done. If changing all fluid for clean one then keep at it untill clear fluid comes out.
Great speaker I'm old school although I have cracked right rear left over night o one I found impossible to bleed b160 ihc most remember to close first thing. I enjoyed your presentation
Seems to me that this gravity feed method would work best with earlier cars that do not have ABS braking systems. I personally like using a Mityvac vacuum pump on each bleeder.
What else works is park on a steep hill. Had a car just couldn't get air out of new line after several times. Looked after buddies Island for a long weekend ahead parked on a fairly steep hill. After returning to car I was coming out to highway and went to pump brake twice (as had done because of air in line) almost put my head through windshield as air had bled itself
I discovered this technique by accident but it works really well...and it makes sense too!
Pneumatic bleeders also work by gravity. You need compressed air and a 30 dollar kit from Harbor Freight. They work fast and the velocity helps flush out the system.
Wow, this is such a great tip sir! Have always thought the brake pedal needs to be pumped throughout the procedure. Thank you very much dear proclaimliberty2000.
I have been doing this for years in my Toyota aygo and corolla. No problem, just need little bit of patience. The biggest advantage is that there is no need to worry about air being suckled in. It starts slowly and then picks up speed so it is not that slow. Use the plastic tube like in the video, so no spilling on the ground. Don't forget to fill the reservoir.
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Clear and concise. Well done
With my old junk, it is never perfect after a bleed job, so park on a steep hill overnight pointing up hill & that helps.
It doesn't always work but it is worth a try. Certain vehicles require a scan tool to properly bleed brakes. Others are just a bear.
I got a vw 412 with 2 bleeders on each front brake
I pumped with 2 people and used a vacuum pump no luck
Nicely explained thanks! I found a hand vacuums pump for $30 tahr can accelerate the process too.
Fantastic video, very clear and comprehensive, thank you!
I have done this many times but I also like to do everything he said but put the hose in a full bottle of brake fluid and then pump them a couple times. I have never had any problems doing that especially when alone
If you are gravity bleeding it just let most of the old brake fluid drain out of the reservoir before topping it off. Your turkey will taste better. Use a coolant system pressure tester, press down against the round top and pump 3 or 4psi of air against the fluid. It moves the fluid over 10 times faster and moves it uphill if needed.
Round top is the fluid reservoir?
@@taurus38splul Yes.
Sounds risky on these cheap flimsy plastic reservoirs.Have to be super careful.Dont think I'd try that.imo
@@jaymartell2967 No its not risky. It's difficult and frustrating to hold it centered up and push down enough to seal it. They used to have pressure bleeders that stapped down against cast iron masters and latched down to the plastic round cap resevoirs. They used regulators to reduce shop air pressure, they would make a brake fluid mess if they leaked. A real risk with the paint. A haldheld coolant pressure pump never spits and the resevoir never splits. Think of coolant resevoirs that hold 15 psi for years.
Got it Done,thank dude
I've always had a nice spray bottle that I use. Stick the tube in (make sure it's on stream so it doesn't take forever) and just squirt it in to the bottle that it came from. It'll take a couple weeks, but if you do it every other day the fluid will be replaced a little quicker. $40 in brake fluid beats $100 or more at a shop for a flush. You should still bleed your calipers to make sure there's no air in the lines.
Additional process is to add a little brake fluid into the waste-catch jug to level just above drip tube..
Thank you for the tip and have a blessed day today 🙏
I don’t like this method, but I like your enthusiasm, thumbs up
I don't see what you mean when you say watch for air bubbles - How are you going to see that when the fluid is not filling the tubing because the drip is so slow? Without a solid column of liquid in your 5/16th line, how do you know you have air or not?
Do it without the hose and you can look directly at the bleeder hole.
I suspect this slow drip, drip would allow brake fluid to slip past any air bubbles trapped in the line. So I would opt to have 2nd person pump the brake, have enough tubing to have a high spot above the bleeder to help trap air bubbles, keep end of tubing submerged to avoid air drawn in when brake pedal is released.
Most cars for last 20 years will have ABS pump and best method for cars with ABS is first wheel farthest from ABS pump and last wheel the closest to the ABS pump.
If ABS pump is located front right: rear left -> rear right -> front left -> front right.
If ABS pump is located front left: rear right -> rear left -> front right -> front left.
For older cars without ABS system method is same as above only swap the word ABS pump with master cylinder.
If master cylinder is located front right: rear left -> rear right -> front left -> front right.
If master cylinder is located front left: rear right -> rear left -> front right -> front left.
Thank you for making & posting this video. (Very nicely done). Thank you again.
:Very detailed with a lot a subtle nuances. Kudos.
And Hod bless you also brother.
I should of known your a believer.
I’ve watch several vids
As many as 10!plus this last year.
Not one man showing many ways to bleed master clutch and brakes had the teaching wisdom this man displayed here.
Just fyi on the above.
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Wisdom and understanding makes the best teaching
This man kicks butt
Thank you for your kind words brother. I got saved when I was eight years old. I hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving! 😊
On some 1950 s and earlier classic cars the master cylinder and reservoir was located below the floor in combination with drum front brakes with this set up gravity doesn't work.
When bleeding in brakes on cars with diagonal split circuit always bleed one diagonal circuit first before opening a bleeder on other diagonal. With a front and rear circuit split design as used particularly on some Fords bleed rear circuit then front circuit.
Always best of course not to let excessive air into the system when replacing brake components as this can cause problems flushing and bleeding the system
I find it easier just to drive and not even use my brakes at all
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That is really nice thank you sir I forgot about doing it that way I'm old school mechanic too and that way is excellent thank you so much you will help a lot of people God bless you brother bye
You’re welcome Frank! 👍😊
It won't tell you if you have a leak that sucks air in when the pedal is released. I have had a wheel cylinder that did not leak out but did leak air in.... It only leaked one way..... Gave me absolute fits because no matter how much I bled the air bubbles would not go away there. Until I replace the wheel cylinder.... Then it made sense.
Hand vacuum pump works well enough. You will need a higher flow rate than a drip to purge air out of tubing high spots.
This method is great as long as you don't mind 'watching grass grow'. It takes a long time.
Years ago I stopped by to see a mechanic I knew that worked at a lube/brake shop and he had a car on a lift. He proceeded to open all four bleeder screws at once and just let the fluid fall on the floor! Inside I was freaking out but he told me it was an old trick and closed the screws, let the car down and finished up. I didn't see if he had some way of refilling the master while bleeding the lines...
I keep a big bottle of break fluid upside down in the master cylinder
I just watched this for fun. Great video !
If you have an air compressor, Harbor freight has a bleeder kit that works great.
Yay! Glad this is actually "a thing". I sorta discovered it by accident recently while replacing a drum brake slave cylinder with nothing on hand to pinch the flex line off.
I capped the brake line (with the normal bleed nipple cover!) to prevent huge loss of fluid while working. By the time I had everything together and the drum back on the cylinder was already nicely filled and weeping out the bleeder!
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Been my go-to procedure for 45 years.
Have you done this on abs equipped vehicles? Thanks
me too
This is just a low buck fluid flush, which I like but NOT an air bleeding procedure. Gravity bleeding is only really useful if you are changing calipers or wheel cylinders, it almost always never works on a master r&r. If you are installing a bench beld master the quickest way to finish the job is pump bleeding it, in my experience. Can't tell you how many people have came to my shop because they changed just one or 2 and then tried to bleed the whole system and jacked it up. But you also have the people that think you have to crack the hydraulic system open to do a normal brake job so...
I tried this method, it worked. thanks!
this is all good stuff, but before doing anything else, remove calipers and pads, stick the pins back in to hold it,, first extend the piston slightly and clean it well by touching the pedal, then put slight tension on the piston with a c-clamp etc with a tube and wrench on the bleeder and crack it open ... drive the piston all the way in and let it force all the junk out of the caliper, thats where most of the air and gunk accumulates, do that and its in decent shape and you can follow the rest of this procedures in this vid for an overall flush ... but id do the above 'first' everytime you do pads or as a matter of periodic maintenance .. relube and clean pins and sliders, and youll never have issues ..
I have been using this method for the last 46 years. Never had a leak from the master or slave cylinders.
Shouldnt that tube be submurged in brake fluid in the bottle?
This works but it is my opinion that gravity bleeding leaves more old wet fluid trapped in "pockets" in the master cylinder and in the calipers near the pistons than does a method that forces fluid through the system rapidly under pressure (thus forcing fresh fluid in all sections of the master cylinder and near the caliper pistons). Also, gravity bleeding is less likely to remove any bubbles that stick to the internal hydraulic surfaces. However, if the system has not been opened (no trapped air) and the fluid has been changed often enough, this might not be a problem. Unfortunately, what the mechanic will usually find is old dark wet fluid. A workaround would be to gravity bleed a second time after driving the car for a while. However, even pumping the brake pedal between bleeding wheel cylinders and bleeding each wheel cylinder twice would be helpful.
LOL I appreciate that bit of silly humor at the end haha
Thank u brother,
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Wow, it works, I just did it 😊
Thanks for not making it a 30-minute lesson.
Curious whether this process couldn't be further simplified slightly by skipping removing all the old fluid from the reservoir with the turkey baster or whatnot (@2:30), instead just go straight to bleeding the furthest wheel, then watch the reservoir, adding new fluid to the reservoir when it is nearly empty? In other words, leveraging gravity for the ENTIRE brake fuild replacement (reservoir as well as the lines)
Using a different colour fluid (eg from amber to blue) you can easily see when it is fully flushed.
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Nice tips. But if only replacing the master cylinder, the air can be bled at the brake line connections to it. Far easier task.
Nice teaching. The only thing I do differently is to partially fill the waste container with a little brake fluid to keep the bottom end of the hose from getting air into the lines. This added item may not apply to gravity bleeding, however.
hi - also i have a collection of cheap washers that i slide at the end of the flexi hose in the collecting can to weight it down and keep the end hose "weighed down" and not curl up and get air into it - i have seen a shop use a old bic pen outer casing slid over the last 6 inches or so to have it lay flat
I just use a longer piece of tubing and tie wrap it to something so the free end points straight up. Avoid any loops or high points in the tube that will let air stay trapped in the tube. Make sure your master cylinder is full, attach the tube to the bleeder like shown and then crack open the bleeder. Slowly press the lever and the tube starts to fill, top off the master cylinder while the lever is still pressed, close the bleeder, release the lever, open the bleeder and slowly cycle the lever until the bubbles stop coming out into the tube while keeping the master cylinder full and in a few minutes you're done. Bike brake systems don't hold much fluid and I've found that using the bottle method wastes a lot of brake fluid.
you should not get air back into system if you are not pumping brake pedal this is just like pressure bleeding at a lower pressure
@@gorflunk I didn't read all the comments but for old polaris snowmobiles and bikes like harley go to fleet farm or tractor supply and get the big cattle syringes. push fluid from the bottom up because air likes to rise. Suck out the dirty fluid from the resevoir. Small plunger strokes on american iron likes to make the air bubbles not move much so they don't come out of the bleeder very well.
I had to do that for a vintage Honda when I couldn’t get the master cylinder bled after rebuilding the front brake caliper. It worked great.
I always liked Gravity bleeding, the Only problem I ever had was a frozen bleeder screw, And was hard to find the right size tube or my different site leaders I would be working on otherwise I would just place a rag there
Use Aero-Kroil instead of that PB stuff. Far superior and smells a LOT better
it is not enough to press brake pedal once and before you release, bleed connector must be closed otherwise it will surge air on threads, and is better to bleed at least 1dcl of fluid from every brake to get new oil into caliper
Sort of reminded me of the way Scotty Kilmer talks at you right thru the camera