I gotta say, you really understated Reflectga's usefulness, it blocks multiple attacks in a 360 area, costs very little magic, and then on top of that it does damage back to enemies! It's insanely good
Seeing it completely melt GIANT health bars with the some of the most generous timing I've ever seen in any game made it a staple lol. It is crazy broken lol
For KH3, I'd say Thundaza and Waterza grand magics. Thundaza's a veritable screen nuke, and Waterza protects the user while casting and still deals damage in a large area.
All the za spells give you invulnerability while casting waterza is more noticeable cus it has a longer casting animation. (Water normal does give some I frames though but not on startup so you need to time it)
If I'm not mistaken, all Grand Magic provides s when they're used, regardless of the tier of spell. I don't have access to any specific framedata, though, so for all I know Waterza could actually provide more s compared to the other Grand Magic commands. For bosses I would actually say that Firaga and Firaza are far more broken, but you need to have a specific build and enough Magic for that. Thundaza's a screen nuke but Thundaga has a very high MP cost and on Critical Mode it's far harder to get commands in general, and Water magic has a high enough MP cost in addition to having slow DPS overall that it's not really broken. Fire magic on the other hand has a very low MP cost, including Firaga, so it's easy to spam for lots of damage, and Firaza scales incredibly well with your Magic, more so than any other spell I think.
@@jeppy98 Focus Step..? I've never heard of that ability. Do you mean Airstep? I'm assuming so, but I'd have to say that it's not actually broken. It's a tool meant to be a universal combo starter, follower as well as a repositioning tool. It's incredibly useful, but it's far from a tool that breaks the game.
reflega in my opinion is definitely one of the best moves in KH2. It cost very little magic and it can be spammed. Final form firaga is also up there too.
Strike Raid was broken in KH1 since it gave invincibility for the entire duration of the attack. It was a popular move to use against the more difficult bosses such as Sephiroth.
The most broken move in kh1 is stop+gravity combo which deletes bosses. For kh2 is easily reflega final form firaga fenrir with megative combo and zantetsuken with last Arcanum. And for kh3 it's easily infinity circle and Ultima form that does insane damage with combo boost and when we are talking about normal mobs every form is basically over powered except second form.
Don't forget Horizontal Slash for KH2, since you can spam that forever with the right timing and just stunlock bosses even, since I don't believe it adds revenge value XD
I'd consider grand magic to be the most OP thing in KH3. You can get the water cufflink in the first world, and from there on out if you get a waterga command in basically any mob fight, it's just a one button win.
@@patriciofloresdifilipo3713 “is for players, not for kids” Do you hear yourself right now? Cause you sound like the most annoying type of person imaginable
Fire into Firaza / Water into Waterza spam is arguably the most busted tactic in KH3 though It's kinda reminiscent of final form firaga but it can be abused by both base forms and melee key transformations (claws (both of them) and flag specifically)
For KH3, for me will be the fire spam with endless magic and magic galvanizer, then go wild with the -ga spells after. You can stunlock the base game secret boss using this one. Aside from that, Firaga spam is still one of the most broken move in KH3
Exp zero unironically is busted in KH1. I don't know exactly how it works, but the gist is that the way some damage formulas work in conjunction to exp zero allows magic to be super overpowered against bosses.
Well the gist of it is that it has a bunch of hidden properties that make it so you don't do chip damage for the entire game and die in a single hit. Normally it's not too broken because they're expecting you to be either at level one or an incredibly low level if you have it on but you can turn it on for certain boss fights or such to cheese them if you're doing a casual playthrough
As one of the people who played Re: Coded...Judgement Triad is ABSOLUTELY broken. It homes in and can literally melt bosses in seconds. I remember beating the final boss in two seconds about (I mean as in literally) by having two Judgement Triads on my list.
Recently played Re:Coded actually, yep this thing is beautiful. With the extra abilities from overclock, kills most enemies so quickly it actually has me afraid...
I've seen a few comments about Water/Watera/Waterga from 3 and honestly, I have to agree lmao. The moment I saw Waterza nuke the screen it became a permanent part of my shortcut menu. Tracks enemies, has splash damage, and fairly easy to spam, and with a magic build you can dish out lots of damage.
Are you just forgetting they went out of their way to nerf magic in KH3 because Sora could shred everything not immune to fire, by beating his empty skull into the Firaga shortcut? You can eat to improve the chance of getting certain Grand Magic. You're also missing how amazing that fast move option inside Shot Locks are. Chain of Memories I think you listed very safe examples, but those are the lame examples you won't actually use other than to farm. Lethal Frame is also only in RE:CoM and while awesome, let me suggest a few more entries. Firaga + Fire Boost Enemy Card in both GBA and remake shreds bosses and it's not hard to farm Fire cards and Red Nocturnes due to Traverse Town spawning the latter and Fire being your only magic card for any lucky Moogle shops. Blizzaga/Blizzard Raid + Blue Rhapsody sweeps mob fights in both versions until you get Thunder Cards and their boost. After that all you need is to carry a Blizzard Raid or 2 for Thunder resistant enemies. Also, you forgot 3 Cloud cards will destroy anything with Omnislash. Also, for GBA Sonic Rave hits a lot of bosses and many times due to the limited room and hitboxes, while making you very safe due to i-frames. Jafar + Ars Arcanum for RE:CoM is funny and brainless. KH1's magic is arguably the most intelligently broken as most things don't nullify Gravity and Stop magic, so Stop something and then chunk it's HP with a few Gravigas and then laugh about it. Also, don't bother with Trinity, just strike everything with Thundaga like you're Zeus. KH2's got a whole slew of really, solidly good options that have their own time and place. But if you're doing casual, how can you not mention Magnet + Thunder spam? Hell, just spam Thunder and then Reflectga when the game tries to stop you. Also, Final Form Firaga looping is silly. BbS, none of the moves you mentioned are actually really good outside of maybe Time Splicer. BbS hates those flashy moves for boss fights because Revenge Values in BbS almost feel random. Just gun down everything with fast reloading simple magic. Or be Aqua and plant more mines than World War 2.
I'm not sure if anyone's said it but in KH3, Favorite Deputy's keyblade transformation, Hyper Hammer, is broken. Specially firaga. It's essentially final form firaga and extremely strong. It's not a specific move you have easy access to with just a button but it's still insane.
There is many broken combos you can do in KH2. Final form fire is the big one where you can stun lock most bosses. Finishing plus magnet with Zigbar and Xaldin. Berserk charge with Final form or horizontal slash on Zigbar or Terra. The PC port of Duck Flare does fantastic damage while stun locking things for you for set up. Peter Pan against Saix and Terra has loops. Stitch plus magnet thunder spam where you can almost unlimited about of MP while stun locking most mob fights. Chicken Little early game is super good for stun locking most mob fights. Many many broken combos in KH2
For Re:Coded, I'd also consider rising rush and round blitz. Rising rush is both a gap closer and combo extender, it leads really well into any aerial attack, especially exo spark. Round blitz is a strong, quick, cheap, and fast-reloading circle attack that's always reliable. If we were to include finish commands, I'd also suggest zone of ruin.
Hey, remember when they had to severely nerf magic in KH3 critical mode because Waterga spam was stupid? Or how the data fights are completely trivialized by Blizzard Claws Firaga Spam? If Balloonga counted, that should too.
If there is one move that is broken in KH3, it's speed slash. It's a finisher that has Sora do 3 heavy slashes that can juggle multiple enemies with positioning, and if timed right, you can juggle bosses as well. It moves very fast, and can be cancelled with a dodge to mix with a magic spell, or give you time to heal.
I dunno if anyone's already said this but a while ago I saw a video on Reddit of someone destroying Yozora's HP with a combo that I know included one of the shooting star type keyblades? I forget the name of it but it's keyblade form (which is used in the video) is similar to Wisdom form. If I find the video I'll link it, and I don't know if combo-attacks count, but thought that might be something to look into for OP abilities.
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For kh3, i would say its Fire/water/blizzard spells with spear/hammer transformed keyblade. I don't remember if you can do it with thunder, but with these 3, and some proper timing, you can stunlock any enemy or boss to death, and since its really quick, it gives you time enough to pop a ether and proceed spamming. Aeroza its really great too. Not only does a lot of damage when you use it, it also creates 3 smaller tornados to hit incoming spawning enemies
As someone who’s played re:coded quite a lot, I’ll add that the chain rave and judgement triad skills are amazing. Chain rave can do big amounts of damage to any regular enemy, only problem is that range is a little short so you may not get to hit many enemies with it, but the range isn’t that bad. (In the move, Sora spins his keyblade forward, slicing things ahead.) That’s where judgement triad comes in. Pretty much as long as you’re locked in, it will hit and it’ll do some great damage. If you line yourself up right, it can clear a lot of enemies since the projectiles don’t dissipate and keep on going. (You throw three keyblades ahead, and home in if you’re locked on.) Other than that, thunder spells are pretty good simply because of the fact that they can fill up your clock gauge so fast. Just use it near some blox, purple ones being the best since they can take three hits each. (In case you’ve never played recoded, you fill up the gauge to the max to do a finisher you have set, and along the way to building it up, you get bonuses according to the keyblade you have set. (Imo, best finisher is zone of ruin, a huge sword slash ending in a giant explosion, but there are other good ones, noticeably spinner ray and faithblade) And blox are just.. blocks you can hit. There’s tons of them in basically every room.)
Gravity Drop, Magnera + Exo Spark, and D-THUNDAGA are OP for small model mob fights. Judgement Triad, Chain Rave, Any Spiral command attacks, and lastly any blue finish command in the game are OP for Bosses/Single Target damage.
@@KeyofTime15 I’ve been replaying Recoded and I just recently got Lionheart and Zone of Ruin. Grinding is a bit harsh, but doing the Lionheart portal and doing Olympus 30 Layers on Replay will help quite a bit. Shock Fall and Exo Spark have great techniques inside Olympus. Combine the two into a 3 pick attack, and it should Come out to like a Subjugate lv5, and burn enemies to the ground.
I think the most broken thing in any Kingdom Hearts game is the combination of Second Chance and MP Rage/Damage Syphon. It effectively makes you unkillable in any fight as long as you're not terrible at the game, and it also makes it so that getting hit by enemy attacks is a net positive. Throw in Leaf Bracer and it means that you should never die in any fight.
I mean, other then KH1 and the command deck games cure is almost always bad to use, even with leaf bracer. There are other ways to heal to full like drive forms and summons (KH3) that let you do large amounts of damage and restores full hp. And even then unless you’re on normal the damage you take will by far outdo the mp you gain from mp rage
I would like to point out that mine square and seeker mine on ventus and aqua in BBS make the optional bosses borderline easy, since the two can basically maintain permanent i frames with their dodges, stopping for one second to put down a little spot of free damage when the boss isnt attacking makes every boss trivial.
My favourite kingdom hearts playstyle is to reduce the combo as much as possible and pick the finisher oriented keyblade of the game with a full attack damage build.
It has better options, but that’s also like saying “hey would you like Orange Candy, or Orange Juice?” Where one is sweeter than the other, but the other is much more natural than the first option.
Not even close. Base kh3 is a chore. It drags too much and it feels like it locks you way from end game and actual story progression. And the combat is too floaty. I like grounded combat and soras foot work while fighting. He never touches the ground and unrealistically floats above the ground weirdly. Sora flips around for no reason to attack. If your fighting the data bosses these forms are bad because enemies can break out because you are slow. And how about progression. The game has no combo modifiers to be gained. You get them from completing the game. And finishers don't trigger depending the enemies you have around you. They always go in the same order. Not that there is an aoe finisher. And many forms are just recycled.
KH2’s Final Form Firaga is insanely busted since the Keyblades reset Revenge Value and you can MELT bosses. Everything else- Reflega. Insane damage and barely any magic cost, good frame data.
While I do like KH2 combat more, it's def more of a preference thing since I like the more grounded style/reaction commands. KH3 combat is still really good especially post remind
Re:coded: Judgement Triad. homes in. shreds everything. can be used in the air. Honorable mentions to Chain Rave for blocking while attacking, Mega Flare for clearing the screen, and megalixir, for being able to instantly activate Mega Flare.
Kh2 final form firaga definitely. This move breaks almost every single fight in the game and is used in most of the data org speed run. It gives no Revenge Value if you don’t use a finisher with it and will keep the boss/enemy stunned permanently until either you run out of form or drive.
Interesting! I'm learning a lot about KH2 today because of the comments lol, I'm not overly familiar with the tech in this one (more of a KH1 Head) but this is still really cool
@@KeyofTime15If you don't know yet. Basically, due to the fact, the Keyblades spin around during Firaga, it deals both Fire and Melee damage, which the game finds hard to calculate when it's happening at the same time. So, a similar thing can happen if you attack while goofy uses Goofy Tornado. Just do an attack while another is happening. The reason for no finishers is because it tosses bosses away, which you don't want when you're trying to stunlock them obviously. This can be especially bad when fighting Lingering Will and he gets forced revenge value to do his whip attack.
Dunno why people keep mentioning final form firaga.. ANY fire in kh2 EXCEPT the finisher/master form fire is OP. They ALL operate the same way, no RV, except the finisher. Final form just does it fastest, at the cost of drive
Oh god I remember all the Mine spells in Birth By Sleep being absolutely broken and easy to cheese with, especially if you had a lot of magic haste abilities equipped since you could practically spam them. Mine square would absolutely shred through most bosses, they were almost as broken as the Balloon spells in DDD
May I add three things here? - You severely understated the use of Reflega, especially how it's a no-brainer for speedrunners and is also known to utterly decimate numerous bosses on its own, one of them being Sephiroth himself - While not inherently broken in itself, magic in KH3 has gotten pretty strong, to a point where literal or tactical spam even rewards the player with -za magic. Combined with certain keyblades you're able to deathtrap many bosses in a magic cycle too. - The Ultima shotlock is quite powerful too, especially against the 13 Xehanort armors, though that's more of a technical cause.
Always a fun topic! I think my pick for Days might be Thunder, actually. If you get an enemy against a wall (or they’re just really big) you can land every hit of the line on them and just delete them. And for 3, not really a move but maybe the Kupo Coin? Always felt a little guilty when I used one.
Kupo coin! That's a good one, I think when I first started making this I wanted to make sure they were abilities you could use on command but Kupo coin would be a good exception Also I didn't think about that thing with the Thunder ability, might be worth trying!
@@KeyofTime15 Definitely recommend it if you find yourself playing Days again. A lot of the enemies in the game are pretty spongey, so the fun (for me at least) is learning all the little tricks like that to take them down as quickly as possible.
As someone who didnt get a console till much later, I only played recoded and dream drop distance as a kid. I literally mastered everything about recoded to the point I was able to beat the game on critical level 1. People underestimate how easy it is to break the game, especially when you start getting special traits like fast reload on moves like judgement triad
Honestly, I actually think the overly powerful stuff makes Recoded worse and even removes some of its potential for say a re-remake or such. The game has really good systems, but what good does it do when you are given no incentive to properly engage with them? Get judgement triad, a curaga and like 2 or 3 triple pursuits and that's basically the best deck. It also has the issue of masking some of the otherwise questionable design. There is no reason rethink the secret bosses into actually good fights(They only lose to MF from BBS interms of succ) when the player can just obliterate them in two judgement triads.
For BBS, I just want to say that attack dodges like Thunder Roll, while not game breaking, are just incredibly cheesy moves that allow you free damage. Edit: Also for KH1, Strike Raid is a common tool for getting rid of pesky bosses and annoying enemies.
The whole reason Terra's tough to play is because his dodge has breaks in its i-frames, which is absolutely a no-go against Mysterious Figure and even Iron Imprisoner IV; and can get him in trouble in swarms he can't just Magnega or Stopga. The attack dodges put breaks in Ven's and Aqua's dodges, compared to their normal dodges which can provide _constant_ i-frames at max command level. So, there's a significant trade-off to the attack dodges; they're not quite "free damage" because you're trading a good chunk of your safety away by even equipping them over your normal dodge.
I don't think that you realize how *_BROKEN_* almost all of KH3's Magic Abilities are, when paired with the Mickey Clasp's Infinite Magic Ability, alongside the Flanniversary Badge's Magic Combo Thrift Ability. Spam Firaga for a bit, then go *HAM* with Thundaga. The items are a pain to get, sure. But the effort you put into it makes the rewards feel beyond worth it. Even in the Switch version, they're *_DISGUSTING._*
I think in KH3 the farming/synthesis rewards are the most worthwhile. This Ultima looks the best out of all of them and deals a crap ton of damage while having one of the best transformations in the game. Also if you wanna be a pure magic caster you have the things you listed. Lastly critical mode made this game so much more fun.
@@jragon5675 I agree, that they're great. It's just that you can stunlock even Dark Inferno, with what I listed, SO easily. I get that he was the first Super Boss, and others shake things up with Desperation Attacks, **cough** Data Marluxia **cough** but I know that Ultima Weapon is PHENOMENAL in the game, too. No argument.
@@ShiningSilvally Yeah but if you fight Dark Inferno as soon as possible he is an actual challenge if that is what you want. I am saying out of all the games KH3 is by far the one with the most worthwhile grind.
@@jragon5675 Again, I get it. Did you think I USE that Magic setup? I've 100%'d the Switch Version, before I found out about this. Never wanted to use the Clasp, or Badge, because I didn't want to cheese Critical Mode. Did I use the setup later? Yeah. For kicks. But, Simba DOESN'T DESERVE TO BE AS GOOD AS IT IS, so I like messing with him, more.
8:46 "maybe outside of these rules i set for myself there really isnt anything wrong with kh3's combat and people who complain just want to say kh2's combat was better" as somebody who played kh3 before 2, i can say that kh3's combat is extremely unbalanced in almost everything it does lol. while playing on the hardest difficulty given to me on my first playthrough, i only died once during the entire main story. the reason you cant find anything wrong with the combat is because you banned most of the things wrong with the combat, being the summons and attractions which make this game extremely easy, even for me who at the time had only ever played half of kh1 over 5 years ago at that point. overall, still a cool vid, i still love kh now that ive played some more of the games, and i obviously dont have a vendetta against you personally or anything lol
Yeah chain rave and judgment triad are absolutely 2 of my main moves in re coded. The command combination process to get them are long but they're worth it
@@KeyofTime15 your best bet is to look on the wiki for the combination process. That's how I did it. You can also get other stuff like zantetsuken from the moogke shop I think
Kh3 broken stuff is usually the form changes finishers Probably the best one is oblivion or ultima weapon finishers they're full screen (they hit anywhere on the map) take out a ton of health bars on bosses and grant the player in invincibility for the entire moves duration
That Kairi medal was definitely busted. I ended up having her on all my builds. It's almost like they were trying to make up for her getting shafted in 3 by making her the strongest character in UX lol
Kh3 doesn't have a broken move or something so far I can tell. It doesn't have much special moves either. It's all about the forms and attractions that makes it easier. Or the cheat menu. It doesn't have those fancy dandy movesets I think they didn't want to anymore. In the kh4 trailer u see they stick with the idee of forms and shotlocks rather than special movesets.
Recoded was wild I’ll even Play it again to see the busted moves again but Ik for sure that eco spark was the most dangerous move I had that helped me through everything
tbh the strongest unballanced thing in kh3 is mainly the magic (simply put it high damage and if you get the sc for the magic your practically get a lot of free damage at no cost to yourself)
Everyone says magic, but the most broken move in 3 aside from that is Counter Shield's second retaliation move, the flurry of punches or whatever. You can reuse it without charging it up again by canceling it and it does a stupid amount of damage for how easy it is to access
Re chain of memories was the hardest game for me before it clicked after I was 90% done with the game. I spent like 1 hour on every boss grinding before I just used sleights
Lucky. It didn't click for me until partway through a second playthrough of both stories. Like, I beat Sora's Side AND Reverse/Rebirth on PS3 AND got partway through Sora's Side on PS4 before it started making sense!
Finally someone gets it with 358/2 days, Fire is the only spell I ever used for attack because every other spell either didn't do good damage, or it completely sucked. Even against enemies that had a resistance to fire, the amount of damage it dealt made the enemy resistance to it redundant. I also despise the panel system.
@@KeyofTime15 Thank you! To explain I just don't like that your level, what skills you may or may not have ot the number of spells you have is entirely dependant on it. Especially the level panels and magic panels, as it I feel it force me to choose between my raw stats from my levels do deal even decent melee damage I'm out of fire spells, or focus on my fire magic panels and get messed up when I run out of fire uses. You can probably tell that basic fire spells carried me through almost the whole game.
@@lpfan4491 I'm just voicing my opinion on the panel system and my experience with it, 358/2 days is the first kingdom hearts game I've ever played and regrettably the only one I've played so far.
6:42 it’s judgement triad. There’s no contest. I used this on data Roxas. Its damage is sometimes inconsistent but at best it’s wiping out 4 boxes straight up.
An interesting mention for KH1 speedrunning. EXP Stop limits all XP gains but after executing a combo your next attack deals double damage... Except with spells, it doesn't expire. Yes it breaks the rules against summons but some bosses can be nuked by doing a combo and then summoning either Genie or Mushu to burst them down. You can actually beat Oogie Boogie in about 25 seconds or Ansem 1 in less than 40 seconds with this strat.
The zero/ones keyblade overclock ability target scope from Re:coded is sortve broken because it allows you to hit enemies that you can't reach and hit enemies far away it's useful if your struggling in mob fights and struggling against bosses who teleport away from you
What about thundaga in 3? With the ability to cast multiple times while moving, and with multiple casts chaining to allow you to do thundaza, clearing entire rooms in seconds becomes a literal cakewalk, even bosses can be caught off guard with it, I beat data marluxia with less than a second to spare by casting it. Also, if you’ve ever done the grind to level 99, you know just how broken thundaga can be.
True enough, I didn't use a ton of magic on my first playthrough of the game but I gradually started to more and more. Really liked Blizzaga and Thundaga
For Re:coded, Judgment Triad. A well leveled Judgement Triad is able to basically 2 shot the final boss. To elaborate, judgement Triad shoots several magic keyblade buzzsaws at the opponent, which strike in a pincer like attack. It also has slight homing properties, so if you're facing the enemy it will very likely hit, even if they move quickly. The other one that might work (but is... arguably banned due to the rules) is Zero 1's (I think it's Zero one? Been a few years since I last played...) final clock ability. Basically, the clock abilities are like BBS finisher commands, but you get cool abilities as you progress towards the finisher. Zero's final ability lets you hit enemies from a distance. With your melee strike. And it isn't like, an extra 5 or 10 feet or keyblade lengths, no, I'm talking like ROOM length strikes. So you can enter a room, swing the keyblade in the air, and everything in a 30 foot cone in front of you dies, without you even needing to get close. Just walk in, swing, bam, done. Earlier clock levels (which are kept as you progress) let you have "All critical", so every strike you do it a crit., so you can hit from a room away with critical strikes. Enemy HP bars utterly *MELT* The *only* weakness is that its the final clock level, so you have to get to that point to use it (like in BBs, goes up by smacking enemies), and once you get level 4 filled you use your finisher and reset to level 1, thereby removing the ability until you get back to level 4. So you don't get to have it for long, but holy crap is is strong!
if you bring Hi Ethers you can pretty much have Zero/One's Targeting Scope whenever you want so the limiting factor then becomes whether you can afford stocking that item
Wanted to mention bbs Magnets were super broken against mobs. Almost every unversed can get sucked in it and you get free hits in the meanwhile they are. Also against all enemies, even bosses, mine spells and most importantly, renewal block, a block that heals your hp. Union x was always busted every time a Kairi medal or copycat one came out. Always super broken during its Era and very long lasting. Also the most broken thing about kh3 combat wasn't a specific move that unbalanced it, it was how easily accessible everything was pretty much since the start of the game that made everything else seem broken.
As one of the people who played Union X, KH3 Kairi was so frequently used because of how easy it was to get, and it's relative power that early on. By endgame though, it's just about worthless since it only boosts your damage by a couple of hundred million. Instead, I'd say that in a magic heavy keyblade, SN++ KH3 Aqua was the most broken because, leaving out all the complex descriptions many won't understand, proper use of this medal could boost your damage output by a few trillion. Yes, trillion. It was indeed possible to do that much damage if you had a good build and knew what you were doing.
Playing Re:Coded, Judgment Triad was definitely hands down the best Ability to use. Can literally have 5-6 judgment triads in your command menu and you’ll be fine against any enemy or any boss
Birth By Sleep, Mine Square is probably my biggest crutch. You lay down mines and keep dodge rolling around the mines and bosses keep walking into it. Stupid and cheesy but it works.
KH1 and 2 limits in general are pretty broken, as long as one has enough MP to keep supplying them. The only downside some of them have is that they require party members to be alive, which...there are alternative limits if they aren't. KH Days: Thundaga is honestly closer to what one would call broken. It is more siturational than Limit Breaks, but it just works incredibly well when it does. Limitbreaks meanwhile...sometimes don't. Some characters have an awful limitbreak(Dual wield roxas has insane damage. Too bad it almost never hits anything) or it exposes them to a threat of dying because it throws away defence completely. I agree with fire tho, it basically takes care of most things Thundaga doesn't work on. KH Recoded: Anyone who didn't play this, please do. Anyhow, I agree with judgement triad and for a crazy good spell, I'd take Triple Pursuit. It's just rediculous, it's a bunch of icicles of doom that destroy anything and everything, except some bosses.(And even then, they can sometimes stall those bosses until Judgement Triad is back in action) KH3D: Balloonga. Normal balloon is ok(except for julius, who gets obliterated by it) and ra has the highest damage but leaves you open for getting hit, which can give you a game over(I played Crit for the most part without once more and without second chance for about half of it too, I'd know.). Ballonga however is effectively completely free damage and even stuns most enemies to give you an opening to cast Balloonra. Balloonga is so stupid good that it argubly shouldn't exist in this series...and Osaka team appearently agrees with this, as I only found a single one of them in my playthrough(I didn't use a guide. That's why I didn't find Once More until it was basically over.) I like how KH COM(As in, the original) is not on the radar at all, btw. Any notes about the remake just don't apply to it(Lethal frame especially, that wasn't even in the original) and even if we go a bit further on the powerscale which the video didn't, Firaga/Blizzaga-nonsense didn't really exist in that game either. The closest thing is Strike Raid being a really good multihit, but it's not what I would call particularly OP.
Limit form, reflect, trinity limit.berserk charge, horizontal slash, Peter Pan, stitch, chicken little, firaga, thundaga, magnega It’s kinda hard to decide. Kh2, through synergy had a massive op move library. I liked the solo trinity limit with combination boost, limit form, ars arcanum a second trinity limit, and possibility the berserk charge horizontal slash combo, myself. With a Peter Pan human shield for indefinite revives
Kingdom Hearts 3 Fire magic, magic build spam Fire/Fira/Firaga and you can just melt boss life bars with one round of Fire magic, and all the -za spells that pretty much trivialize mob fights especially with their idea of including accessory and even some Keyblade that can make them pop without even using the corresponding spells.
Kinda annoying that he doesn't go into more detail about why the fire magic is OP in 358/2 days and just says "if you've played it you know" because i haven't played it so i don't know
@@KeyofTime15 , im not saying it's a bad game, i just wanted to know more about it without having to spend hours playing through the game while every other skill in the video got some sort of explanation
If you really want an explanation, Magic in general is just busted in 358/2 Days. Fire in particular is a homing attack that rarely misses and does decent damage even in late game@@tumbleweed420hits
For people asking "what about 0.2" just refer to what I said about KH3. Two are pretty similar in their gameplay mechanics albeit some small changes (I guess)
Personally I'm in agreement with most of this, though I never use reflect unless I'm grinding for experience so I suppose I'd go with magnet spiral but i digress. I'm surprised to hear someone else say 3 has good combat, I've had this steadfast belief for years and I'm either bombarded with talks of summons or attractions and I've always found it weird given that summons and links in 2 are always given a pass so thanks for the conformation there. Love the video on the whole btw very concise and well spoken.
Other people who think 3's combat is up there with 2? They exist? 😱 I thought I was the only one! 😭 Personally, I think KH3 combat is actually even better than KH2 combat, if only slightly. You just need to pretend Links and Attractions don't exist. With that critical mode skill that disables attraction flow, this is pretty easy to do! Formchange is more satisfying to use in 3, shotlocks add some spice, airstep, etc.
@@evanvongustav8814 I agree, Although I don't mind links, if summons in 2 can be used I don't see the issue, along with team attacks; limits in 2 are stupid broken but get a pass because the player has complete control on and I think that's not fair. I even like attractions flow as it adds to the flair of it all, my only problem is hat I don't like splash run otherwise I think they're great. Air stepping is great too, 2 is fun and all do not get me wrong, but there's something oddly restrictive to it I could never wrap my head around, it functions and I do have a blast, but 3 just scratched an itch. Mostly what i think the difference is, is how the player is rewarded, in 2 you are given things that you grind up and those rewards are either great to start or have to be leveled up to be great so they could be a tad busted. In 3 the formchanges are given to you whole sale at once but the catch is you have to be the one to earn them every single time and that's what's fun, it makes you play smarter because if you take to long in-between combos you loose an arrow and there for are weaker than you are with the formchange, i just think that's a neat bit of risk reward.
Oh yeah! I mean, I don't really have a problem with Attraction flow either. TBH: I've never been good at reaching for commands further down the list than "Magic", so I just kind of never use Summons in KH. Also tbh, the only reason I prefer to play with Attractions turned off is cause the ability that disables Attractions guarantees a Formchange when the Situation Gauge fills, and those are by far my favorite kind of Situation Command. Honestly, I was just saying that it isn't hard to ignore the controversial mechanics if you don't like them. But IMO" KHIII has all the best mechanics from across the franchise! Birth By Sleeps Command Styles (keyblade forms), and Shotlocks, Dream Drop's Flowmotion and Reality Shift (Attraction Flow), KH2's Reaction commands (but watered down a bit and ironically enough, less situational in their usage.) and Limits (they're less cinematic less time consuming, and more seamless, and less blatantly overpowered in KH3, but on the other hand there"s no longer w drawback to team Abilities) Lastly, and most importantly, they made blocking midair not suck for the first time in the franchise's history, which leads to the floatiness adding to the spectacle rather than taking away from it. Honestly, if it weren't for the flashy goodness of Drive Forms And Reaction commands in KH2, I'd probably say KH1 combat is more fun in a few ways. I didn't even like KH1 combat the first time I played it, and I thought KHII's combat was perfection until KHIII released. I used to think Re:CoM and to a lesser extent BBS combat was pure torture, and it took me playing through Chain of Memories in its entirety then going through most of Sora's story a SECOND time before it started to click. It's like, CoM seems unfair until the mechanics start to make sense. But its not something that can be taught or practiced til it makes sense, you just need to have enough experience. Honestly, none of the KH game have bad gameplay (ok, even as someone who likes simple turn based RPGs, Union Cross was... Meh, and I could not get into Dark Road til it went offline/F2W, for starters, having actual decent attacks just by grinding and not by paying money, helped tremendously, and I found the gameplay was more engaging when I restricted the number of charms I was allowed to use per boss fight, and avoided grinding unless I deemed it impossible to progress in the story without either doing said grinding or going over my allotted number of Charms. The beauty of Dark Road offline is that you can cheese anything and everything in the game if you feel like it between the endless battle mode, auto battle setting, and practically free/unlimited continues, and only have to actually play the game if you A. Have time, and B. Want to. If the gameplay's not for you, just let the game plays itself between cutscenes/dialogue boxes!
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Lupo coin for KH3 if you count that. KH2 combat is more fine tuned, but KH3 is funner while being less fine tuned.
@@TheBrickSeparator2020kingdom hearts best elements😂👍🏽
im suprised you didnt mention trons limit
I gotta say, you really understated Reflectga's usefulness, it blocks multiple attacks in a 360 area, costs very little magic, and then on top of that it does damage back to enemies! It's insanely good
Yes!!
Made 90% of my lv1 run that much easier to get though
It is so broken that it literally became Aqua's base defensive move and counter krkrkr
A ton of damage
Seeing it completely melt GIANT health bars with the some of the most generous timing I've ever seen in any game made it a staple lol. It is crazy broken lol
For KH3, I'd say Thundaza and Waterza grand magics.
Thundaza's a veritable screen nuke, and Waterza protects the user while casting and still deals damage in a large area.
All the za spells give you invulnerability while casting waterza is more noticeable cus it has a longer casting animation. (Water normal does give some I frames though but not on startup so you need to time it)
Aside from dlc 3 is just damn easy.
If I'm not mistaken, all Grand Magic provides s when they're used, regardless of the tier of spell. I don't have access to any specific framedata, though, so for all I know Waterza could actually provide more s compared to the other Grand Magic commands.
For bosses I would actually say that Firaga and Firaza are far more broken, but you need to have a specific build and enough Magic for that. Thundaza's a screen nuke but Thundaga has a very high MP cost and on Critical Mode it's far harder to get commands in general, and Water magic has a high enough MP cost in addition to having slow DPS overall that it's not really broken. Fire magic on the other hand has a very low MP cost, including Firaga, so it's easy to spam for lots of damage, and Firaza scales incredibly well with your Magic, more so than any other spell I think.
Id say focus step cause is must to against many boss fights
@@jeppy98 Focus Step..? I've never heard of that ability. Do you mean Airstep? I'm assuming so, but I'd have to say that it's not actually broken. It's a tool meant to be a universal combo starter, follower as well as a repositioning tool. It's incredibly useful, but it's far from a tool that breaks the game.
reflega in my opinion is definitely one of the best moves in KH2. It cost very little magic and it can be spammed. Final form firaga is also up there too.
Hells yeah, I love reflectga
Actually they made reflect ga much more broken in FM compare to ENG and especially JP Vanilla, ENG does damage while JP does very so little damage
Knocksmash with goofy is actually. You’re in I frames the whole time it auto tracks and does insane dmg. It’s literally press buttons to win to spam
@@Vaedyx actually, knocksmash got way nerfed in final mix, so what you're saying only completely applies to the OG version
Cheers to Final Firaga, love me some "revenge is best served cold so let me reheat it for you"
Strike Raid was broken in KH1 since it gave invincibility for the entire duration of the attack. It was a popular move to use against the more difficult bosses such as Sephiroth.
Strike raid and sonic blade shared the same qualities, i think ragnarok also did
@rurounijay7100 except Ragnarok didn't have I frames at the end
The most broken move in kh1 is stop+gravity combo which deletes bosses. For kh2 is easily reflega final form firaga fenrir with megative combo and zantetsuken with last Arcanum. And for kh3 it's easily infinity circle and Ultima form that does insane damage with combo boost and when we are talking about normal mobs every form is basically over powered except second form.
Don't forget Horizontal Slash for KH2, since you can spam that forever with the right timing and just stunlock bosses even, since I don't believe it adds revenge value XD
I literally never tried Stop on bosses because I assumed, like most RPG bosses, they had status immunity.
I'd consider grand magic to be the most OP thing in KH3. You can get the water cufflink in the first world, and from there on out if you get a waterga command in basically any mob fight, it's just a one button win.
That's why Critical mode should be played with no GM, no attractions and no formchanges. ONLY heals and items.
@@patriciofloresdifilipo3713 lol no
@@tumultuousv lol yes. Maybe only formchange allowed and that's it.
Critical mode is for players, not for kids who wanna spam rides and magic.
@@patriciofloresdifilipo3713 “is for players, not for kids”
Do you hear yourself right now? Cause you sound like the most annoying type of person imaginable
@@ubermaster1 G R O W N A S S A D U L T S
Fire into Firaza / Water into Waterza spam is arguably the most busted tactic in KH3 though
It's kinda reminiscent of final form firaga but it can be abused by both base forms and melee key transformations (claws (both of them) and flag specifically)
For KH3, for me will be the fire spam with endless magic and magic galvanizer, then go wild with the -ga spells after. You can stunlock the base game secret boss using this one.
Aside from that, Firaga spam is still one of the most broken move in KH3
Exp zero unironically is busted in KH1. I don't know exactly how it works, but the gist is that the way some damage formulas work in conjunction to exp zero allows magic to be super overpowered against bosses.
And it work Even if youre not level 1. So before a boss : exp zero -> make a combo finisher -> mushu -> win
Well the gist of it is that it has a bunch of hidden properties that make it so you don't do chip damage for the entire game and die in a single hit. Normally it's not too broken because they're expecting you to be either at level one or an incredibly low level if you have it on but you can turn it on for certain boss fights or such to cheese them if you're doing a casual playthrough
As one of the people who played Re: Coded...Judgement Triad is ABSOLUTELY broken. It homes in and can literally melt bosses in seconds. I remember beating the final boss in two seconds about (I mean as in literally) by having two Judgement Triads on my list.
That's hilarious, I'm gonna make sure I farm that command
BASED ANSWER! Judgement Triad was such a damn good one
Recently played Re:Coded actually, yep this thing is beautiful. With the extra abilities from overclock, kills most enemies so quickly it actually has me afraid...
I've seen a few comments about Water/Watera/Waterga from 3 and honestly, I have to agree lmao. The moment I saw Waterza nuke the screen it became a permanent part of my shortcut menu. Tracks enemies, has splash damage, and fairly easy to spam, and with a magic build you can dish out lots of damage.
Are you just forgetting they went out of their way to nerf magic in KH3 because Sora could shred everything not immune to fire, by beating his empty skull into the Firaga shortcut? You can eat to improve the chance of getting certain Grand Magic. You're also missing how amazing that fast move option inside Shot Locks are.
Chain of Memories I think you listed very safe examples, but those are the lame examples you won't actually use other than to farm. Lethal Frame is also only in RE:CoM and while awesome, let me suggest a few more entries. Firaga + Fire Boost Enemy Card in both GBA and remake shreds bosses and it's not hard to farm Fire cards and Red Nocturnes due to Traverse Town spawning the latter and Fire being your only magic card for any lucky Moogle shops. Blizzaga/Blizzard Raid + Blue Rhapsody sweeps mob fights in both versions until you get Thunder Cards and their boost. After that all you need is to carry a Blizzard Raid or 2 for Thunder resistant enemies. Also, you forgot 3 Cloud cards will destroy anything with Omnislash. Also, for GBA Sonic Rave hits a lot of bosses and many times due to the limited room and hitboxes, while making you very safe due to i-frames. Jafar + Ars Arcanum for RE:CoM is funny and brainless.
KH1's magic is arguably the most intelligently broken as most things don't nullify Gravity and Stop magic, so Stop something and then chunk it's HP with a few Gravigas and then laugh about it. Also, don't bother with Trinity, just strike everything with Thundaga like you're Zeus.
KH2's got a whole slew of really, solidly good options that have their own time and place. But if you're doing casual, how can you not mention Magnet + Thunder spam? Hell, just spam Thunder and then Reflectga when the game tries to stop you. Also, Final Form Firaga looping is silly.
BbS, none of the moves you mentioned are actually really good outside of maybe Time Splicer. BbS hates those flashy moves for boss fights because Revenge Values in BbS almost feel random. Just gun down everything with fast reloading simple magic. Or be Aqua and plant more mines than World War 2.
I'm not sure if anyone's said it but in KH3, Favorite Deputy's keyblade transformation, Hyper Hammer, is broken. Specially firaga. It's essentially final form firaga and extremely strong. It's not a specific move you have easy access to with just a button but it's still insane.
There is many broken combos you can do in KH2. Final form fire is the big one where you can stun lock most bosses. Finishing plus magnet with Zigbar and Xaldin. Berserk charge with Final form or horizontal slash on Zigbar or Terra. The PC port of Duck Flare does fantastic damage while stun locking things for you for set up. Peter Pan against Saix and Terra has loops. Stitch plus magnet thunder spam where you can almost unlimited about of MP while stun locking most mob fights. Chicken Little early game is super good for stun locking most mob fights. Many many broken combos in KH2
I believe that the KH1 Graviga deserved an honorable mention.
It seemed to reduce many enemies to almost death and outright kill some
It’s also able to stun the Unknown boss.
I believe that's because it does damage based on the enemy's max HP. The more they have, the more it HURTS.
never thought there would be a moment in my life where i would say "I've played Re:coded and I'm proud"
All the re:coded players coming out to comment on this one, I guess I really need to play it LOL
@@KeyofTime15 it was a great game man ngl i played it in high school when i found a ds lite and decided to buy it. good experience.
For kh358, there’s this counter ability that deals a lot of damage compared to the damage you take, basically a very quick speedrun
"Shut up and have some ice cream!" XD
For Re:Coded, I'd also consider rising rush and round blitz. Rising rush is both a gap closer and combo extender, it leads really well into any aerial attack, especially exo spark. Round blitz is a strong, quick, cheap, and fast-reloading circle attack that's always reliable. If we were to include finish commands, I'd also suggest zone of ruin.
Hey, remember when they had to severely nerf magic in KH3 critical mode because Waterga spam was stupid?
Or how the data fights are completely trivialized by Blizzard Claws Firaga Spam?
If Balloonga counted, that should too.
If there is one move that is broken in KH3, it's speed slash. It's a finisher that has Sora do 3 heavy slashes that can juggle multiple enemies with positioning, and if timed right, you can juggle bosses as well. It moves very fast, and can be cancelled with a dodge to mix with a magic spell, or give you time to heal.
Interesting! All these comments including yours are just giving me ideas to go research all this stuff lmaookk
Absolutely not no way. Speed slash is mid. Last charge and all the new abilities eclipse speed slash
@@TimothyGod true, but when stacking all the finishers in a combo, speed slash and triple thrust have priority, with last charge going last.
6:36 I think Triple Pursuit is better than all of those, but those are great too
I dunno if anyone's already said this but a while ago I saw a video on Reddit of someone destroying Yozora's HP with a combo that I know included one of the shooting star type keyblades? I forget the name of it but it's keyblade form (which is used in the video) is similar to Wisdom form. If I find the video I'll link it, and I don't know if combo-attacks count, but thought that might be something to look into for OP abilities.
I’m so happy people still upload classic kh videos and they get pretty good views! ( currently playing through the console the series again) Thank you for being a fan like me an showing it with your videos!
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For kh3, i would say its Fire/water/blizzard spells with spear/hammer transformed keyblade. I don't remember if you can do it with thunder, but with these 3, and some proper timing, you can stunlock any enemy or boss to death, and since its really quick, it gives you time enough to pop a ether and proceed spamming.
Aeroza its really great too. Not only does a lot of damage when you use it, it also creates 3 smaller tornados to hit incoming spawning enemies
As someone who’s played re:coded quite a lot, I’ll add that the chain rave and judgement triad skills are amazing. Chain rave can do big amounts of damage to any regular enemy, only problem is that range is a little short so you may not get to hit many enemies with it, but the range isn’t that bad. (In the move, Sora spins his keyblade forward, slicing things ahead.) That’s where judgement triad comes in. Pretty much as long as you’re locked in, it will hit and it’ll do some great damage. If you line yourself up right, it can clear a lot of enemies since the projectiles don’t dissipate and keep on going. (You throw three keyblades ahead, and home in if you’re locked on.)
Other than that, thunder spells are pretty good simply because of the fact that they can fill up your clock gauge so fast. Just use it near some blox, purple ones being the best since they can take three hits each. (In case you’ve never played recoded, you fill up the gauge to the max to do a finisher you have set, and along the way to building it up, you get bonuses according to the keyblade you have set. (Imo, best finisher is zone of ruin, a huge sword slash ending in a giant explosion, but there are other good ones, noticeably spinner ray and faithblade) And blox are just.. blocks you can hit. There’s tons of them in basically every room.)
Gravity Drop, Magnera + Exo Spark, and D-THUNDAGA are OP for small model mob fights.
Judgement Triad, Chain Rave, Any Spiral command attacks, and lastly any blue finish command in the game are OP for Bosses/Single Target damage.
I'll keep that in mind!
@@KeyofTime15 I’ve been replaying Recoded and I just recently got Lionheart and Zone of Ruin.
Grinding is a bit harsh, but doing the Lionheart portal and doing Olympus 30 Layers on Replay will help quite a bit. Shock Fall and Exo Spark have great techniques inside Olympus. Combine the two into a 3 pick attack, and it should Come out to like a Subjugate lv5, and burn enemies to the ground.
I think the most broken thing in any Kingdom Hearts game is the combination of Second Chance and MP Rage/Damage Syphon. It effectively makes you unkillable in any fight as long as you're not terrible at the game, and it also makes it so that getting hit by enemy attacks is a net positive. Throw in Leaf Bracer and it means that you should never die in any fight.
I mean, other then KH1 and the command deck games cure is almost always bad to use, even with leaf bracer. There are other ways to heal to full like drive forms and summons (KH3) that let you do large amounts of damage and restores full hp. And even then unless you’re on normal the damage you take will by far outdo the mp you gain from mp rage
@@th3bear01”cure bad to use” LMAO
@@animaIpath “using a spell that eventually has built in i-frames is bad”
That man is smoking something strong if he out here saying things like that
@@ubermaster1 1) cure has no i frames, it is an ability 2) cure is not the only healing option + it solely heals, doesnt do damage etc
Kh3, id say the kick reprisal after blocking is pretty op, sends you flying towards the enemy for multiple hits and can block right after.
Aeroga is tired of holding it’s beer
There's no broken moves in Melody of Memory, but the music can make you break it down on the floor.
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I would like to point out that mine square and seeker mine on ventus and aqua in BBS make the optional bosses borderline easy, since the two can basically maintain permanent i frames with their dodges, stopping for one second to put down a little spot of free damage when the boss isnt attacking makes every boss trivial.
My favourite kingdom hearts playstyle is to reduce the combo as much as possible and pick the finisher oriented keyblade of the game with a full attack damage build.
I think that following your method, KH3's most broken move is Grand Magic. Makes for a great combo finisher
Chain Rave & Judgment Triad Are My Go To Cammands In Re:Coded. And Kingdom Hearts 3 Has The Superior Combat Over Kingdom Hearts 2.
good picks to be sure, can't wait to play re:coded
@@KeyofTime15 It's Such A Nostalgic Game For Me Personally & I Can Confirm It Has The Best Cammand Deck Gameplay In The Series.
It has better options, but that’s also like saying “hey would you like Orange Candy, or Orange Juice?”
Where one is sweeter than the other, but the other is much more natural than the first option.
Not even close. Base kh3 is a chore. It drags too much and it feels like it locks you way from end game and actual story progression. And the combat is too floaty. I like grounded combat and soras foot work while fighting. He never touches the ground and unrealistically floats above the ground weirdly. Sora flips around for no reason to attack. If your fighting the data bosses these forms are bad because enemies can break out because you are slow. And how about progression. The game has no combo modifiers to be gained. You get them from completing the game. And finishers don't trigger depending the enemies you have around you. They always go in the same order. Not that there is an aoe finisher. And many forms are just recycled.
KH2’s Final Form Firaga is insanely busted since the Keyblades reset Revenge Value and you can MELT bosses. Everything else- Reflega. Insane damage and barely any magic cost, good frame data.
While I do like KH2 combat more, it's def more of a preference thing since I like the more grounded style/reaction commands. KH3 combat is still really good especially post remind
Totally fair
Kh3 combat is fun but there are many dump decisions they made that weren't needed.
I found lethal frame impossible to work on bosses in Chain so I just spammed sonic blade as it's just as overpowered
I really feel like snubbing strike raid from kh1 does a disservice to it because good lord, those seconds of invulnerability can be a real life saver
True! I did beat Xemnas mostly due to these beefy s on Strike Raid!
“Who asked you!?” Sora on that Sigma Grindset.
Re:coded: Judgement Triad. homes in. shreds everything. can be used in the air. Honorable mentions to Chain Rave for blocking while attacking, Mega Flare for clearing the screen, and megalixir, for being able to instantly activate Mega Flare.
Kh2 final form firaga definitely. This move breaks almost every single fight in the game and is used in most of the data org speed run. It gives no Revenge Value if you don’t use a finisher with it and will keep the boss/enemy stunned permanently until either you run out of form or drive.
Interesting! I'm learning a lot about KH2 today because of the comments lol, I'm not overly familiar with the tech in this one (more of a KH1 Head) but this is still really cool
@@KeyofTime15 if you ever play it agian give it a shot. It's a power fantasy. Makes most bosses cry in a corner
@@KeyofTime15If you don't know yet. Basically, due to the fact, the Keyblades spin around during Firaga, it deals both Fire and Melee damage, which the game finds hard to calculate when it's happening at the same time. So, a similar thing can happen if you attack while goofy uses Goofy Tornado. Just do an attack while another is happening. The reason for no finishers is because it tosses bosses away, which you don't want when you're trying to stunlock them obviously. This can be especially bad when fighting Lingering Will and he gets forced revenge value to do his whip attack.
Dunno why people keep mentioning final form firaga.. ANY fire in kh2 EXCEPT the finisher/master form fire is OP. They ALL operate the same way, no RV, except the finisher. Final form just does it fastest, at the cost of drive
Most bosses that can get final form fire cheesed can get Double Negative combo cheesed as well 😂
KH2 Normal form and VERY MUCH SO Final Form Thundega. Clears whole rooms.
I'd argue that Shotlocks as a whole are pretty OP in KH3. They either delete entire rooms or melt bosses, there is no in-between lol
Another unique KH topic!!! Loved the editing! And the fact it vasts every game, it shows your raging passion! A great video for Christmas Eve!
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
Oh god I remember all the Mine spells in Birth By Sleep being absolutely broken and easy to cheese with, especially if you had a lot of magic haste abilities equipped since you could practically spam them. Mine square would absolutely shred through most bosses, they were almost as broken as the Balloon spells in DDD
Totally true! Mine square is how I cleared the mirage arena!
Zone of Ruin from Re:Coded is such a badass move
Ty ty ty we needed a video like this
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May I add three things here?
- You severely understated the use of Reflega, especially how it's a no-brainer for speedrunners and is also known to utterly decimate numerous bosses on its own, one of them being Sephiroth himself
- While not inherently broken in itself, magic in KH3 has gotten pretty strong, to a point where literal or tactical spam even rewards the player with -za magic. Combined with certain keyblades you're able to deathtrap many bosses in a magic cycle too.
- The Ultima shotlock is quite powerful too, especially against the 13 Xehanort armors, though that's more of a technical cause.
Why is Fire busted? Saying "if you know, you know" doesn't help. Because I SURE AS HECK DON'T.
Then go learn
Fire magic is heat seeking while fira and firaga are not
Always a fun topic!
I think my pick for Days might be Thunder, actually. If you get an enemy against a wall (or they’re just really big) you can land every hit of the line on them and just delete them.
And for 3, not really a move but maybe the Kupo Coin? Always felt a little guilty when I used one.
Kupo coin! That's a good one, I think when I first started making this I wanted to make sure they were abilities you could use on command but Kupo coin would be a good exception
Also I didn't think about that thing with the Thunder ability, might be worth trying!
@@KeyofTime15 Definitely recommend it if you find yourself playing Days again.
A lot of the enemies in the game are pretty spongey, so the fun (for me at least) is learning all the little tricks like that to take them down as quickly as possible.
@@Sonnance I play days a lot as it's my favorite game in the series so I definitely will
@@KeyofTime15 Oh, nice! Same!
I've always wanted a math breakdown between thundaga and thunder in days. I've always preferred thundaga though cus I'm a brainless ape.
As someone who didnt get a console till much later, I only played recoded and dream drop distance as a kid. I literally mastered everything about recoded to the point I was able to beat the game on critical level 1. People underestimate how easy it is to break the game, especially when you start getting special traits like fast reload on moves like judgement triad
Honestly, I actually think the overly powerful stuff makes Recoded worse and even removes some of its potential for say a re-remake or such. The game has really good systems, but what good does it do when you are given no incentive to properly engage with them? Get judgement triad, a curaga and like 2 or 3 triple pursuits and that's basically the best deck. It also has the issue of masking some of the otherwise questionable design. There is no reason rethink the secret bosses into actually good fights(They only lose to MF from BBS interms of succ) when the player can just obliterate them in two judgement triads.
I miss union cross so much it was so fun, and ya the Kairi medal was amazing to have
In KH3 the fire spell itself was busted, you really never needed to use anything besides it because of how much damage it did
ooooo learning cool stuff on christmas eve is a TREAT :)
Totally!
For BBS, I just want to say that attack dodges like Thunder Roll, while not game breaking, are just incredibly cheesy moves that allow you free damage.
Edit: Also for KH1, Strike Raid is a common tool for getting rid of pesky bosses and annoying enemies.
The whole reason Terra's tough to play is because his dodge has breaks in its i-frames, which is absolutely a no-go against Mysterious Figure and even Iron Imprisoner IV; and can get him in trouble in swarms he can't just Magnega or Stopga. The attack dodges put breaks in Ven's and Aqua's dodges, compared to their normal dodges which can provide _constant_ i-frames at max command level. So, there's a significant trade-off to the attack dodges; they're not quite "free damage" because you're trading a good chunk of your safety away by even equipping them over your normal dodge.
Do Counter moves not count? Cause Dive kick or whatever its called in KH3 Re mind is insanely good.
It is pretty good, If I could redo it I'd give it an honorable mention at least
I don't think that you realize how *_BROKEN_* almost all of KH3's Magic Abilities are, when paired with the Mickey Clasp's Infinite Magic Ability, alongside the Flanniversary Badge's Magic Combo Thrift Ability. Spam Firaga for a bit, then go *HAM* with Thundaga. The items are a pain to get, sure. But the effort you put into it makes the rewards feel beyond worth it. Even in the Switch version, they're *_DISGUSTING._*
I think in KH3 the farming/synthesis rewards are the most worthwhile. This Ultima looks the best out of all of them and deals a crap ton of damage while having one of the best transformations in the game. Also if you wanna be a pure magic caster you have the things you listed. Lastly critical mode made this game so much more fun.
@@jragon5675 I agree, that they're great. It's just that you can stunlock even Dark Inferno, with what I listed, SO easily. I get that he was the first Super Boss, and others shake things up with Desperation Attacks, **cough** Data Marluxia **cough** but I know that Ultima Weapon is PHENOMENAL in the game, too. No argument.
@@ShiningSilvally Yeah but if you fight Dark Inferno as soon as possible he is an actual challenge if that is what you want. I am saying out of all the games KH3 is by far the one with the most worthwhile grind.
@@jragon5675 Again, I get it. Did you think I USE that Magic setup? I've 100%'d the Switch Version, before I found out about this. Never wanted to use the Clasp, or Badge, because I didn't want to cheese Critical Mode. Did I use the setup later? Yeah. For kicks. But, Simba DOESN'T DESERVE TO BE AS GOOD AS IT IS, so I like messing with him, more.
@@ShiningSilvally Ok? Don't know why you are spewing that now. I wasn't accusing you just giving options.
8:46 "maybe outside of these rules i set for myself there really isnt anything wrong with kh3's combat and people who complain just want to say kh2's combat was better"
as somebody who played kh3 before 2, i can say that kh3's combat is extremely unbalanced in almost everything it does lol. while playing on the hardest difficulty given to me on my first playthrough, i only died once during the entire main story. the reason you cant find anything wrong with the combat is because you banned most of the things wrong with the combat, being the summons and attractions which make this game extremely easy, even for me who at the time had only ever played half of kh1 over 5 years ago at that point. overall, still a cool vid, i still love kh now that ive played some more of the games, and i obviously dont have a vendetta against you personally or anything lol
Yeah chain rave and judgment triad are absolutely 2 of my main moves in re coded. The command combination process to get them are long but they're worth it
Gonna make sure I get both of em when I eventually play!
@@KeyofTime15 your best bet is to look on the wiki for the combination process. That's how I did it. You can also get other stuff like zantetsuken from the moogke shop I think
Everyone knows that Kairi was a must have in KHUX. I spent $200 on everyone single one that came out lol
Kh3 broken stuff is usually the form changes finishers
Probably the best one is oblivion or ultima weapon finishers they're full screen (they hit anywhere on the map) take out a ton of health bars on bosses and grant the player in invincibility for the entire moves duration
kh2 should have been reflect. its spammable or op.
people forget magnet is also op, literally breaks any group enemy fight
That Kairi medal was definitely busted. I ended up having her on all my builds. It's almost like they were trying to make up for her getting shafted in 3 by making her the strongest character in UX lol
Kh3 doesn't have a broken move or something so far I can tell. It doesn't have much special moves either. It's all about the forms and attractions that makes it easier. Or the cheat menu. It doesn't have those fancy dandy movesets I think they didn't want to anymore. In the kh4 trailer u see they stick with the idee of forms and shotlocks rather than special movesets.
Recoded was wild I’ll even Play it again to see the busted moves again but Ik for sure that eco spark was the most dangerous move I had that helped me through everything
KH3 has Firaga when used with the Frozen Keyblade form change. It's basically Final Form Firaga from KH2
tbh the strongest unballanced thing in kh3 is mainly the magic (simply put it high damage and if you get the sc for the magic your practically get a lot of free damage at no cost to yourself)
Everyone says magic, but the most broken move in 3 aside from that is Counter Shield's second retaliation move, the flurry of punches or whatever. You can reuse it without charging it up again by canceling it and it does a stupid amount of damage for how easy it is to access
I never used baloon in DDD. Played hard mode without even knowing.
Goated
Been a while since I saw that pre-update footage of the Keyblade Graveyard's cloudy gray sky and kinda wimpy-looking Magic Flash combo finisher.
6:39 I like how the example of chain rave is just Sora getting hit
Re chain of memories was the hardest game for me before it clicked after I was 90% done with the game. I spent like 1 hour on every boss grinding before I just used sleights
Lucky. It didn't click for me until partway through a second playthrough of both stories.
Like, I beat Sora's Side AND Reverse/Rebirth on PS3 AND got partway through Sora's Side on PS4 before it started making sense!
The most broken move in KH3? That's easy, the 2FM combo modifiers. :D
Finally someone gets it with 358/2 days, Fire is the only spell I ever used for attack because every other spell either didn't do good damage, or it completely sucked. Even against enemies that had a resistance to fire, the amount of damage it dealt made the enemy resistance to it redundant. I also despise the panel system.
I kind of like the panel system to a degree but I agree with everything else ✌️
@@KeyofTime15 Thank you! To explain I just don't like that your level, what skills you may or may not have ot the number of spells you have is entirely dependant on it. Especially the level panels and magic panels, as it I feel it force me to choose between my raw stats from my levels do deal even decent melee damage I'm out of fire spells, or focus on my fire magic panels and get messed up when I run out of fire uses. You can probably tell that basic fire spells carried me through almost the whole game.
@@Gamerman-cc5hi That sounds like if you said you hated the lack of Sora having infinite ethers in KH3.
@@lpfan4491 I'm just voicing my opinion on the panel system and my experience with it, 358/2 days is the first kingdom hearts game I've ever played and regrettably the only one I've played so far.
6:42 it’s judgement triad. There’s no contest. I used this on data Roxas. Its damage is sometimes inconsistent but at best it’s wiping out 4 boxes straight up.
An interesting mention for KH1 speedrunning. EXP Stop limits all XP gains but after executing a combo your next attack deals double damage... Except with spells, it doesn't expire.
Yes it breaks the rules against summons but some bosses can be nuked by doing a combo and then summoning either Genie or Mushu to burst them down.
You can actually beat Oogie Boogie in about 25 seconds or Ansem 1 in less than 40 seconds with this strat.
Interesting
Kh3 ultima shotlock is probably up there I’d say
Yeah that's a pretty good one
In Re:coded my fave thing to do once you had it was just pop 2 ethers and use flare which explodes everything on screen
The zero/ones keyblade overclock ability target scope from Re:coded is sortve broken because it allows you to hit enemies that you can't reach and hit enemies far away it's useful if your struggling in mob fights and struggling against bosses who teleport away from you
What about thundaga in 3? With the ability to cast multiple times while moving, and with multiple casts chaining to allow you to do thundaza, clearing entire rooms in seconds becomes a literal cakewalk, even bosses can be caught off guard with it, I beat data marluxia with less than a second to spare by casting it. Also, if you’ve ever done the grind to level 99, you know just how broken thundaga can be.
True enough, I didn't use a ton of magic on my first playthrough of the game but I gradually started to more and more. Really liked Blizzaga and Thundaga
For Re:coded, Judgment Triad. A well leveled Judgement Triad is able to basically 2 shot the final boss.
To elaborate, judgement Triad shoots several magic keyblade buzzsaws at the opponent, which strike in a pincer like attack. It also has slight homing properties, so if you're facing the enemy it will very likely hit, even if they move quickly.
The other one that might work (but is... arguably banned due to the rules) is Zero 1's (I think it's Zero one? Been a few years since I last played...) final clock ability. Basically, the clock abilities are like BBS finisher commands, but you get cool abilities as you progress towards the finisher. Zero's final ability lets you hit enemies from a distance. With your melee strike. And it isn't like, an extra 5 or 10 feet or keyblade lengths, no, I'm talking like ROOM length strikes. So you can enter a room, swing the keyblade in the air, and everything in a 30 foot cone in front of you dies, without you even needing to get close. Just walk in, swing, bam, done. Earlier clock levels (which are kept as you progress) let you have "All critical", so every strike you do it a crit., so you can hit from a room away with critical strikes. Enemy HP bars utterly *MELT* The *only* weakness is that its the final clock level, so you have to get to that point to use it (like in BBs, goes up by smacking enemies), and once you get level 4 filled you use your finisher and reset to level 1, thereby removing the ability until you get back to level 4. So you don't get to have it for long, but holy crap is is strong!
if you bring Hi Ethers you can pretty much have Zero/One's Targeting Scope whenever you want so the limiting factor then becomes whether you can afford stocking that item
@@zaqareemalcolm And by the time you get the keyblade, money isn't likely a big issue.
Ultimate form and dual form in kh3 are just the pinnacle
Good video just subscribed. Can’t wait to see more
Wanted to mention bbs Magnets were super broken against mobs. Almost every unversed can get sucked in it and you get free hits in the meanwhile they are. Also against all enemies, even bosses, mine spells and most importantly, renewal block, a block that heals your hp.
Union x was always busted every time a Kairi medal or copycat one came out. Always super broken during its Era and very long lasting.
Also the most broken thing about kh3 combat wasn't a specific move that unbalanced it, it was how easily accessible everything was pretty much since the start of the game that made everything else seem broken.
That's true! I would've put an honorable mention in for that but yeah I definitely use my fair share of gravity magic in each tun
One doesn't even need the free hits, Magnet slowly chips the unversed to death already.
I personally think both shooting star and hunny spout, their first form change is kinda broken.
Like, even dodging sora is dishing out pain
As one of the people who played Union X, KH3 Kairi was so frequently used because of how easy it was to get, and it's relative power that early on. By endgame though, it's just about worthless since it only boosts your damage by a couple of hundred million.
Instead, I'd say that in a magic heavy keyblade, SN++ KH3 Aqua was the most broken because, leaving out all the complex descriptions many won't understand, proper use of this medal could boost your damage output by a few trillion. Yes, trillion. It was indeed possible to do that much damage if you had a good build and knew what you were doing.
Re:CoM is the reason I called my gamer group The Lethal Frames. Love how busted it is.
Playing Re:Coded, Judgment Triad was definitely hands down the best Ability to use. Can literally have 5-6 judgment triads in your command menu and you’ll be fine against any enemy or any boss
For Kingdom Hearts 3 you could say any claw or hammer transformantion + Firaga or The shields.
Don't forget about Mine Shield/Square and Seeker Mine in Birth By Sleep. They are pretty much what Balloons are in DDD.
U right u right, I loved using mine square in the mirage arena
Birth By Sleep, Mine Square is probably my biggest crutch. You lay down mines and keep dodge rolling around the mines and bosses keep walking into it. Stupid and cheesy but it works.
KH1 and 2 limits in general are pretty broken, as long as one has enough MP to keep supplying them. The only downside some of them have is that they require party members to be alive, which...there are alternative limits if they aren't.
KH Days: Thundaga is honestly closer to what one would call broken. It is more siturational than Limit Breaks, but it just works incredibly well when it does. Limitbreaks meanwhile...sometimes don't. Some characters have an awful limitbreak(Dual wield roxas has insane damage. Too bad it almost never hits anything) or it exposes them to a threat of dying because it throws away defence completely. I agree with fire tho, it basically takes care of most things Thundaga doesn't work on.
KH Recoded: Anyone who didn't play this, please do. Anyhow, I agree with judgement triad and for a crazy good spell, I'd take Triple Pursuit. It's just rediculous, it's a bunch of icicles of doom that destroy anything and everything, except some bosses.(And even then, they can sometimes stall those bosses until Judgement Triad is back in action)
KH3D: Balloonga. Normal balloon is ok(except for julius, who gets obliterated by it) and ra has the highest damage but leaves you open for getting hit, which can give you a game over(I played Crit for the most part without once more and without second chance for about half of it too, I'd know.). Ballonga however is effectively completely free damage and even stuns most enemies to give you an opening to cast Balloonra. Balloonga is so stupid good that it argubly shouldn't exist in this series...and Osaka team appearently agrees with this, as I only found a single one of them in my playthrough(I didn't use a guide. That's why I didn't find Once More until it was basically over.)
I like how KH COM(As in, the original) is not on the radar at all, btw. Any notes about the remake just don't apply to it(Lethal frame especially, that wasn't even in the original) and even if we go a bit further on the powerscale which the video didn't, Firaga/Blizzaga-nonsense didn't really exist in that game either. The closest thing is Strike Raid being a really good multihit, but it's not what I would call particularly OP.
Limit form, reflect, trinity limit.berserk charge, horizontal slash, Peter Pan, stitch, chicken little, firaga, thundaga, magnega
It’s kinda hard to decide. Kh2, through synergy had a massive op move library.
I liked the solo trinity limit with combination boost, limit form, ars arcanum a second trinity limit, and possibility the berserk charge horizontal slash combo, myself.
With a Peter Pan human shield for indefinite revives
Kingdom Hearts 3 Fire magic, magic build spam Fire/Fira/Firaga and you can just melt boss life bars with one round of Fire magic, and all the -za spells that pretty much trivialize mob fights especially with their idea of including accessory and even some Keyblade that can make them pop without even using the corresponding spells.
Kinda annoying that he doesn't go into more detail about why the fire magic is OP in 358/2 days and just says "if you've played it you know" because i haven't played it so i don't know
You should play it then, I heard from some that it's a very good game
@@KeyofTime15 , im not saying it's a bad game, i just wanted to know more about it without having to spend hours playing through the game while every other skill in the video got some sort of explanation
If you really want an explanation, Magic in general is just busted in 358/2 Days. Fire in particular is a homing attack that rarely misses and does decent damage even in late game@@tumbleweed420hits
For people asking "what about 0.2" just refer to what I said about KH3. Two are pretty similar in their gameplay mechanics albeit some small changes (I guess)
Personally I'm in agreement with most of this, though I never use reflect unless I'm grinding for experience so I suppose I'd go with magnet spiral but i digress. I'm surprised to hear someone else say 3 has good combat, I've had this steadfast belief for years and I'm either bombarded with talks of summons or attractions and I've always found it weird given that summons and links in 2 are always given a pass so thanks for the conformation there. Love the video on the whole btw very concise and well spoken.
Other people who think 3's combat is up there with 2? They exist? 😱 I thought I was the only one! 😭
Personally, I think KH3 combat is actually even better than KH2 combat, if only slightly.
You just need to pretend Links and Attractions don't exist. With that critical mode skill that disables attraction flow, this is pretty easy to do!
Formchange is more satisfying to use in 3, shotlocks add some spice, airstep, etc.
@@evanvongustav8814 I agree, Although I don't mind links, if summons in 2 can be used I don't see the issue, along with team attacks; limits in 2 are stupid broken but get a pass because the player has complete control on and I think that's not fair.
I even like attractions flow as it adds to the flair of it all, my only problem is hat I don't like splash run otherwise I think they're great. Air stepping is great too, 2 is fun and all do not get me wrong, but there's something oddly restrictive to it I could never wrap my head around, it functions and I do have a blast, but 3 just scratched an itch.
Mostly what i think the difference is, is how the player is rewarded, in 2 you are given things that you grind up and those rewards are either great to start or have to be leveled up to be great so they could be a tad busted. In 3 the formchanges are given to you whole sale at once but the catch is you have to be the one to earn them every single time and that's what's fun, it makes you play smarter because if you take to long in-between combos you loose an arrow and there for are weaker than you are with the formchange, i just think that's a neat bit of risk reward.
Oh yeah! I mean, I don't really have a problem with Attraction flow either.
TBH: I've never been good at reaching for commands further down the list than "Magic", so I just kind of never use Summons in KH.
Also tbh, the only reason I prefer to play with Attractions turned off is cause the ability that disables Attractions guarantees a Formchange when the Situation Gauge fills, and those are by far my favorite kind of Situation Command.
Honestly, I was just saying that it isn't hard to ignore the controversial mechanics if you don't like them.
But IMO" KHIII has all the best mechanics from across the franchise!
Birth By Sleeps Command Styles (keyblade forms), and Shotlocks, Dream Drop's Flowmotion and Reality Shift (Attraction Flow), KH2's Reaction commands (but watered down a bit and ironically enough, less situational in their usage.) and Limits (they're less cinematic less time consuming, and more seamless, and less blatantly overpowered in KH3, but on the other hand there"s no longer w drawback to team Abilities)
Lastly, and most importantly, they made blocking midair not suck for the first time in the franchise's history, which leads to the floatiness adding to the spectacle rather than taking away from it.
Honestly, if it weren't for the flashy goodness of Drive Forms And Reaction commands in KH2, I'd probably say KH1 combat is more fun in a few ways.
I didn't even like KH1 combat the first time I played it, and I thought KHII's combat was perfection until KHIII released.
I used to think Re:CoM and to a lesser extent BBS combat was pure torture, and it took me playing through Chain of Memories in its entirety then going through most of Sora's story a SECOND time before it started to click.
It's like, CoM seems unfair until the mechanics start to make sense. But its not something that can be taught or practiced til it makes sense, you just need to have enough experience.
Honestly, none of the KH game have bad gameplay (ok, even as someone who likes simple turn based RPGs, Union Cross was... Meh, and I could not get into Dark Road til it went offline/F2W, for starters, having actual decent attacks just by grinding and not by paying money, helped tremendously, and I found the gameplay was more engaging when I restricted the number of charms I was allowed to use per boss fight, and avoided grinding unless I deemed it impossible to progress in the story without either doing said grinding or going over my allotted number of Charms.
The beauty of Dark Road offline is that you can cheese anything and everything in the game if you feel like it between the endless battle mode, auto battle setting, and practically free/unlimited continues, and only have to actually play the game if you A. Have time, and B. Want to. If the gameplay's not for you, just let the game plays itself between cutscenes/dialogue boxes!