Well said! Personally I prefer the classic looks of the Submariner over the wave dial and helium escape valve of the Omega - but both are solid options either way.
I own a Rolex SD43. While it’s a lovely piece and because I also enjoy my Z blue Milgauss, I find myself gravitating towards some of the Breitling Super ocean heritages and special edition (Bond and heritage) Seamasters as a compelling better value diver alternatives (than my SD43). Thanks for the comparisons. God bless.
I own this same model Sub and what pople don't realize is the that the build quality is what makes it special. It feels solid beyond any other watch at least that's what I first noticed. There are no gaps between any parts of the watch and nothing jingles or jangles.
I bought my Omega for all the reasons you mentioned, Max. I got a Seamaster Diver 300M for its history, quality, value, metas certification, etc., and because I could afford it and the local boutique had plenty to choose from. I get Rolex's following, but my next watch will be another Omega or perhaps a GS.
As far as I’m concerned, the biggest problem with Rolex are all the judgmental mouth-breathers who make assumptions when they see someone with a Rolex. I’ve been into the hobby for decades, enjoy many brands, but the Sub is my go-to. No gimmicks, just great quality and classic design.
I owned the Omega Seamaster 300m No Time To Die, which was beautiful to behold in its shades of brown, great comfort with titanium bracelet, and thinner than normal 300m. Alas, it's gone now, as I couldn't read the time in low light conditions( such as my lounge in the evening, or a restaurant) which bugged me over time. Replaced with 14060m Sub, which gives me retro vibes and modern movement. Likely to get me another 300m, but in white on rubber as a beater. To be clear, don't think you will be disappointed owning either.
I bought a white SMP on rubber as I felt I probably should have one. I kept it in the rotation for just over 18 months during which time a desire for a black watch lead me to the Captain Cook Ceramic from Rado. Despite being a much lower spec watch, the CC moved me in a way that the SMP never really did and so the SMP has left the building while the CC looks set for a long and happy home alongside an Oris Upcycle for those alternative dive duty days. I agree that the Sub now denotes someone wanting to buy a Rolex, rather than wanting to buy a great tool watch, which is a bit of a shame really.
@@SIZZO76 On the face of it, comparison makes no sense when considering build quality and engineering, but the CC exudes character and soul while for me, the SMP is just clinical and devoid of emotion. Now the Planet Ocean ...
I really love omega. Have previously owned the 1861 Speedy and an Aqua Terra... but i really hope they can create a watch similar in proportions to the new black bay 54...a diver which is 37-39mm and around 11mm thick would be incredible... as things stand, many of their watches are just too thick and chunky...i would also love a solid case back with the waves on the back, like the old Bond seamasters... I'll just have to wait! I'm sure one day they release something compact and elegant
Just regulated my Citizen Promaster NY0086 pepsi to +/-2 spd. It is now my favorite dive watch. Especially since I won it in a giveaway from @JustOneMoreWatch . Thanks Jody!
Get what you want. I never wanted a Black Bay. I saw one in a Jewelery store, tried it on and it spoke to me. It was the Black Bezel Heritage 41mm. I fell in love with it and bought it. If it doesn’t speak to you immediately, then look at something else.
i have the regular blue SMP 300M and absolutely love it. i respect the sub and how timeless/classic it is, but i also find basically all subs boring except for the bluesy. the SMP 300M has a lot more character to it and makes it more fun.
Man, if you had to choose one the Sub wins the versatility award. It’s so function built in design it’s hard to say no. However, best for me is always vintage with those. And pre-coaxial Seamasters are a joy to wear. Those cases are so thin and with the SS bezel variations you really have stunning piece. I say 5513 with WG dial markers and an early 2000s Seamaster are gives you joy in every way! Plus ease of servicing ;-) But in modern, it’s so subjective. Both so well… or just table flip and get a Blancpain Fifty Fathoms lololol
I like both. I started this crazy journey of wat collecting in 1992. I will say this, I have never flipped an Omega, but have sold numerous of the other. Now I have around 12 Omega, ranging from the 1930's to today. I have zero Rolex.
I have both the new 41mm sub and a current gen Seamaster. I also had the past gen 40mm sub. I love them both but even for the same price, I would choose the Omega.
I broke the pearl pip off my ceramic submariner recently. I’ve had my submariner for around 5 years in total, I daily wear it as a equipment mechanic. So I brought it in for service and felt naked without a watch which led me to buy a grey and blue omega seamaster 300… ABSOLUTELY AMAZING! Runs about +1 second a day, it’s nice looking, I love the bracelet and the adjustability. For a watch that is a few thousand LESS than my submariner the seamaster punches in pretty high. I’m very happy with it so far BUT I can’t wait to get my sub back, it’s been a part of me for 5 years.
@@skg5 $124.10 to replace it, they are also going to do a movement “service” at no charge because I’m still just within the warranty period and they offered to polish the watch, I declined the polish. They sent it to Rolex for the repair, it’s not being done by my jeweler. I think that’s a fair price and being under warranty for the movement service that saves me the $1,100 they would charge for a movement service. I’m interested to know what you end up doing and if you get charged the same. I walked into one of those “fast fix” places and they told me $80 to replace the pip, but I didn’t know where they were going to source the part and if it was going to be a genuine part or not so I opted to bring it to the AD that I bought the watch from.
I own an Omega 2531.80 that I recently took in for a full service at Omega, I sometimes gaze at it for several minutes with admiration, it's a total keeper. For the price if I purchased a Rolex Sub I would probably sell it after a while, to plain looking and don't want to get my arm cut if somebody tried to steal it.
For me it comes down to fit only . Sold the sd43 and bought the stock standard omega 210.30 black wave dial and glad I did and so is my pocket. Each to their own, highly subjective, both
I have a sub and love it. I also have multiple Seiko’s, a Grand Seiko, a Casio G-Shock, and a few other watches I wear in rotation. The watch that gets the most comments: Vostok Amphibia. Everyone asks about it, it’s not the norm, in a sea of people wearing Apple Watches and fashion brands at the office, the Vostok does not fit in. I kind of like it that way, it’s just not normal. It also helps its super cheap…😂
I agree with this conclusion. I'm on the waiting list for the sub, but I'm currently in deep, maddening love with my two SMP300s, especially the green one. I'm not even remotely excited about the sub, hardly think about it, and the day I get the call will be just like any other regular Tuesday. I'll likely go get it, but I already feel like it will be sold within 2 months. No hate to the rolex purists, and im sure they have their reasons, but the Omega is more of a conservative flex, and more visually stimulating
I tried on both and bought the Sub. I've always wanted a Submariner and was happy to have been able to purchase a 126610LV from my AD a year ago. It is a stunning watch, very iconic, incredibly robust, very comfortable to wear, amazingly accurate and it gets noticed more than any other watch I've owned in my 55 years of collecting (that can be good and bad). My pal bought a NTTD Omega and does not like it - he said the bezel is difficult to turn and he has trouble telling the time in certain lighting due to the skeleton hands. He now regrets his decision and wishes he had bought a Sub.
I have both watches you referenced and I love both. However, I would pic the Sub it is what first drew me to watches, I own the 16610, 16610lv, 16613 and 124060. People hate on Rolex because of AD’s and now it’s trendy.
I'd love the Omega if they'd ditch the skeleton hands for the Sword hands and thin the case down. I mean, I NEVER look at the back of my watch case while wearing it.. so that means nothing to me personally. Both are great pieces but the NoDate Sub wins in my book.
As an owner of multiple Omegas, i’d pick the Sub over the SMP anyday. The Sub looks more classy and easier to dress up. Its thinner and the bracelet is more comfy. The SMP has many cool features but kindy of redundant, such as the skeleton hands, the assymetrical HEV. It’s too big, too thick and its bracelet doesnt taper.
yeah everyone this guy owns a couple of omegas so he must really know his stuff, or be really wealthy. like, an omega guys.. holy shit! show some respect to vuvihu1989 and validate his generous broad views as a very rich manlet by supplying him with thumbs ups's
This isn’t a fair comparison, the sub in this video is the older model 114060. There is a newer model 124060 with the 3230 Rolex movement with paraflex shock absorbers. That would be an “even” comparison with this Omega.
I own the 2531.80 and 2220.80 wave dial Seamaster. It was the 2541.80 (Golden eye) aged 10 that started my collection hobby. I had the 210.90.42 (NTTD) Seamaster but did not ‘bond’ with it at all. Which was a shame as I’m a massive bond fan. I also had the Sub 114060. It was too much on my wrist. It felt soulless and just there. Annoying me at how shiny and glitzy it was. If I was to ever buy another Sub it would hands down be the 14060M 2-liner. I like the new 60th release with the lollipop nod to the Spectre watch, the animated case-back but not the 60 on the bezel. I get it’s the 60th, just not for me. I not long ago purchased the Green Dial Seamaster and I have to say it’s the best watch I’ve ever owned. I absolutely love it. Highly recommend getting hands on with one, it’s sublime. 🤩
I want a 14060m 2-line too. Too bad they got so expensive in the last 3 years (like everything else). I really wanted a 5512/5513 but given the price difference the 14060 is the next best option and the 5-digit models are peobably the best option if you want a more vintage look and feel but without the drawbacks of a vintage watch. Same goes for the GMT 16710. Way nicer than the new ones. That being said, I’m currently waiting on Rootbeer that costs only a little more than a nice 16710. It’s hard to justify getting a 5-digit model for the same price as a “newer, better” model that has 5-years warranty on top of that. Still, i have trouble warming up to the bew subs.
Fun video, thank you. The best? If you don't measure the quality of the watch by price, "the best", imo is a Scurfa D1, Ti. I own or have owned all three. I still own a well-worn Rolex SD and Sub from the late '80s. Today I wear a Scurfa. I've also bought Rolexes knowing full well I'd flip it for a profit. Sadly, if that is why you bought a Rolex, there is going to be little satisfaction and not much of a watch experience there.
0 / +5 faster is much better than -2 / +2. Since you just pull the crown for a few seconds after 1-2 weeks and you get perfect time. The other case if your watch run slower, it takes a lot more effort to set up the perfect time.
It doesn't matter. If you're so anal about perfect timing you'll be messing with aligning the minute had with the markers anyway. On the other hand, what is better? Having a watch that after a month is 2.5 minutes ahead (30x5) or one that is 1 minute behind (30x2) ?
I would look for a vintage two line no date Sub over a new one. I own 4 Omega SMPs of various colors and metals ... I love the new Bond, but no space in my collection right now. Vintage Sub for my money. Great content.
I felt the same way when the AD called me. I felt obligated to buy it... at least I can sell it 😊. I actually like my Marathon GSAR more. Its suits me better.
Great video. Ever since I bought my BB58 blue more than a year ago, I have never considered to go for the Sub or the SM. The BB58 is the only dive watch I have ever wanted. But if I were to splurge on another luxury dive watch, I would go for the SM300. The Sub looks too similar to my BB58 and I do not prefer watches in my collection to look too similar to each other.
I'm a Bond fan, my first decent watch was the "Goldeneye" Seamaster and the Casino Royale Planet Ocean. At the time (2007) my friend showed me his Sub which I'd always admired, until I felt the bracelet and heard the price differential. I still like the look of a no date sub but would not risk death by a thousand cuts by my wife for spending £10k on a watch, She'd have me committed. Saying that, the No Time To Die Seamaster is now in a similar price Realm. My own grail watch is the Spectre Seamaster 300. I prefer this model for the absence of the helium escape valve. I'd recently texplained the Rolex waiting list/ purchase history thing to my mate. He couldn't believe it. On a recent shopping trip I took him into a large jeweller and expressed interest in a Rolex Explorer. He couldn't believe it when they said they could add me to their " Register Of Interest." However, I could walk out with any Omega they had. Enough said I think.
I own a sub. But the only thing keeping me from buying the Omega is the helium escape valve. It kills me. My friend say's you don't notice it after awhile, but I'm just not buying it.
If you buy sub from AD you will make money for sure but if buying from grey dealer you will also lose around 2K, while if you buy the regular SMP 300 at a good discount 10% -15% you would maybe lose around 500 - 800 dollars if you decide to sell it. By the Omega prices keep increasing (next one is due July 1st)
I have quite a lot dive watches, including fifty fathoms, green sub and others. I also have Tudor pelagos 39 and FXD. I would recommend pelagos as most desirable dive watches as pelagos is a more classic, more comfortable and purer dive watch.
@@denniskai2331 I am not saying that homage watch is not worth buying. However it is best to buy authentic watch instead of homage as which does not bring long term happiness or refresh that an authentic one will bring.
👍 The Pelagos 39 is the no date Sub for those w/o AD connections and not dumb to pay Grey, over MSRP, for a Sub. Perfect as a dress watch, in sporting environments.
@@denniskai2331 I agree that sometimes a watch collector would like to own a homage watch so as to verify whether it is suitable for himself or herself. However do not waste too much money on the homage watches as which will not have long term satisfaction and comfort from my experience.
@@WestCoastAce27 yes, I am the person who doesn’t want to keep relationship with a dealer. I also find that the pelagos is a very versatile watch that I can wear it to go to anywhere and anytime.
I’ll take the omega Seamaster professional over the Rolex every time. I’m always gonna want it on a bracelet though, I prefer the omega bracelets over the Rolex, with only the Jubilee, being the exception. I’ve owned both and IMO the omega edges out the Rolex and every category and for half the price.(i’m watching this video for a second time because I’ve decided to purchase the Seamaster professional 300 with the white dial.
They both have a unique design, great movement and finition. Even if prefer the look of the omega I will say that the sub wins, the history about it makes it special
Since I could not care less about James Bond, I find difficult to justify the difference in price between this special edition Seamaster 300M and the standard. In other words, my head tells me that it is too expensive. Regarding the Submariner, it was my grail, so when I bought it, it waa my heart taking. 🤣.
I haven't had a desire to pick up a dive watch a couple I like. Then there's one I came across that I like the concept behind it, The brand Relax, The diver is called the substitute instead of the submariner😊 It runs off a Seiko 4r35 movement if I remember correctly.
I would prefer an updated 'Pre-Bond' Seamaster with no release valve, a sapphire crystal, better lume, and a modern movement. Then you have a classic design, authentic 39mm diver. They could even keep the 200m rating!
With the Omega you get that awkward bracket to lug design. Idk, on some vintage models that works, but given it’s modern design aesthetic it just looks cheap (imo of course).
I had the opposite experience. My first high end watch was a smp chrono. I bought it with my head in that it had better specs than the submariner and it was cheaper. Made the most logical sense. My heart wanted the rolex cause it was a rolex.
The rolex (in term of design) is much much more discret/versatile. It s the only positive point for the rolex but it s the most important (I own both). In term of mvt, I have no background regarding coaxial mvt but I know friends who own rolex since 20 years without any service with a good drift and (most important) very good amplitude!
I have Omega 2222.80. I wouldn't trade it for all the money in the world. (almost). 36mm; CoAxial; yeah I wanted a Bond watch. I pretend the He escape valve is a remote detonator or laser. I do love the dial and hands of the Omega. The scalloped bezel adds character to the watch. I would love a Sub, but I'm not playing that game. If I won the lottery however...
I disagree with the statement that a "different" looking watch looks goofy. Personally appreciate it when the watch isn't the "basic" looking dive watch. The Sub may be a icon, but following the sheeple aint for me. I want people to see originality on my wrist.
If you judged me and my sub by your criteria, you'd be mistaken. I've had mine since the asteroid hit Chicxulub and it was for diving.🙂 I wouldn't own one for fashion which is why the vast majority of people have them.
@@threethrushes very true ...I tried on the u50 and it is by far one of the most comfortable watches. The click on the bezel is purposeful and it feels like you are adjusting the mode wheels on a Leica camera.
Omega is more inetersting watch and more deliberate? As You said Rolex can be worn by anyone, Omega is almost for sure a sign of somone that is into watches. Blue Seamaster all the way. Hate Tudor desing, looks too ugly to me.
Yeah. And Tudor isn’t in the same comparison space. Love all these comments including Tudor in a debate with omega and Rolex. It’s just not in the same league.
I would go for the Submariner. The 124060 is one of my grails. One of the reasons is that I already own a Seamaster snd I don't have a Rolex in my collection. Also I collect watches to keep them and later pass them on. I don't buy watches to sell them.
I’ve been through four different Subs and none have satisfied me head wise to the degree where I felt okay keeping that much money parked in one. As for Omega their diver design language doesn’t resonate with me at all heart wise so their lower price point won’t ever attract me as a potential buyer. With AD wait times shrinking I’m going to give a new No Date Sub a try before surrendering to the urge to find an apex diver for my mix from a less prominent maker like Doxa or Blancpain. Thanks for showing clips of the epic backyard party, my sweatshirt makes me easy to spot.
As much as I love Omega, owning 5 and don't have any Rolex yet, I still gotta give Rolex Sub the best diver watch of all time ... but I buy watches with my heart, so my next aquisition will be an Omega Seamaster 300 older version - caliber 8400 :P
Since you show a lot of Matrix scenes in this vid, how about Hamilton Pulsar Matrix Edition in your next video? haha Anyway, both Subbie and Seammie are great, but I would choose Seammie due to price concerns. PS. I did cosplay Trinity once.
I went for the pelagos LHD . Neither the Rolex or the Seamaster should be worn with a formal suit they are all extremely nice tool watches although many do . I use my nomos for the odd occasion I can't wear my pelagos .
Thanks Max, Thanks for bringing great content on watches for me to enjoy and learn! That being said I have a Daniel JeanRichard titanium Diverscope good for 1000ft. with a vanilla scented rubber strap...I wouldn't trade it for either of these watches cause I love the Diverscope!
never buying a seamaster as long as their hated bracelets aren't made to match the price... and offering the mesh bracelets is an admission of their failure in terms of bracelet.
@@rcm4u2 Then you are clueless about how these things work. Omega was already part of a holding before Hayek came on the scene. Hayek and his associates took over the whole holding. They didn't purchase only the Omega trademark.
@@denniskai2331 One of the things that makes something desirable is the lack of availability. The harder something is to get the more valuable it becomes. It’s like the diamond industry , De Beers understood this and this is why they buy up all the worlds diamond minds, you controls the supply you control the prices how else can they sell almost worthless stones and such insane prices. Rolex and De Beers are the kings of marketing
@@cecaju9516 what came first the chicken or the egg? You keep up the demand by Marketing convincing people you really need this and then you slow down supply to bring the prices up.
@@canadianwatchmonkey3992 good marketing is a normal and desirable business practice. Rolex supply only fell during the pandemic shutdowns, but has been back to full capacity for awhile and they are building a new factory to increase capacity. They currently make almost twice as many watches as Omega.
I cross-shopped between the SMP and Sub, somewhat hoping the SMP would tick the boxes because it didn’t want to be a “Rolex guy” but it just didn’t do it for me at all. Tried on the Sub and I knew it was the one.
@@SonikDethmonkey And probably 99 out of 100 people don't even notice or care what you are wearing. pathetic that you worried what strangers would think.
@@davidr2802 what’s pathetic are all the lazy stereotypical comments that judge people based on what watch they’re wearing. Of course the “normies” couldn’t care less but if I go to a watch meet up, which I do, with my Rolex vs my Sinn (for example) there would absolutely be a palpable difference in how folks relate to me. I absolutely ended up buying what I wanted, as I always do, but that doesn’t mean that I’m ignorant to people’s assumptions.
why pay $6000 for a watch named after a fictional character in the first. Why pay $6000 for a watch in 2023? Because watch buying is an emotional affair for everything except for the business proposition called Rolex.
@@davidr2802That is exactly my point. Me head tells me instantly...don't buy that watch . It is overpriced just for being associated to a fictional character.
" A little bit of a gimmick" is a little bit of an understatement. An animation of a movie character on the caseback! Really? I'd feel like a sad arse putting this thing on my wrist. The Seamaster 300M has a lot of potential but it is still overdesigned and does not have a professional feel. First, that wave pattern needs to be sent to the bottom of the Mariana Trench. Then it needs non-skeleton hands on it. And any juvenile Bond references need to be shot to bits with a Walther PPK. And then we'd be getting there. Not before.
Further the conversation at WatchCrunch: www.watchcrunch.com/Max/posts/the-head-and-the-heart-40973
So the Rolex is 150% more accurate and has 27% more power reserve yet you claim they are technically the same. That doesn’t track.
Well said! Personally I prefer the classic looks of the Submariner over the wave dial and helium escape valve of the Omega - but both are solid options either way.
100%. The clarity and single-mindedness of the Sub design wins for me as well.
Both are 🐐 TIME PIECES
@@puddingtame1787 The single-mindedness to overcharge and fake scarcity?
That dude in the restaurant is wearing a super rep and you'll never know
😂
What is a super rep?
@@MattSeesGraya high end replica
My frequent Grab driver has 1 too!!
The owner of the fake Rolex will know. Fake watch, fake ‘dude.’
I own a Rolex SD43. While it’s a lovely piece and because I also enjoy my Z blue Milgauss, I find myself gravitating towards some of the Breitling Super ocean heritages and special edition (Bond and heritage) Seamasters as a compelling better value diver alternatives (than my SD43). Thanks for the comparisons. God bless.
The best diver watch in the world is what you like, not what others wear.
Thank-you!
Amen!
If you like a Lange 1, is that then the best diver?
Moronic comment is moronic.
I'd say it's the one that you can and would actually use to dive.
I own this same model Sub and what pople don't realize is the that the build quality is what makes it special. It feels solid beyond any other watch at least that's what I first noticed. There are no gaps between any parts of the watch and nothing jingles or jangles.
I love my 62 MAS Seiko, period!
I bought my Omega for all the reasons you mentioned, Max. I got a Seamaster Diver 300M for its history, quality, value, metas certification, etc., and because I could afford it and the local boutique had plenty to choose from. I get Rolex's following, but my next watch will be another Omega or perhaps a GS.
As far as I’m concerned, the biggest problem with Rolex are all the judgmental mouth-breathers who make assumptions when they see someone with a Rolex. I’ve been into the hobby for decades, enjoy many brands, but the Sub is my go-to. No gimmicks, just great quality and classic design.
Can't argue with the standard bearer
I've run into too many influencer types wearing reps. Rolex is king, just need to accept that it's also the choice of basic hypebeasts
I owned the Omega Seamaster 300m No Time To Die, which was beautiful to behold in its shades of brown, great comfort with titanium bracelet, and thinner than normal 300m. Alas, it's gone now, as I couldn't read the time in low light conditions( such as my lounge in the evening, or a restaurant) which bugged me over time. Replaced with 14060m Sub, which gives me retro vibes and modern movement. Likely to get me another 300m, but in white on rubber as a beater. To be clear, don't think you will be disappointed owning either.
I bought a white SMP on rubber as I felt I probably should have one. I kept it in the rotation for just over 18 months during which time a desire for a black watch lead me to the Captain Cook Ceramic from Rado. Despite being a much lower spec watch, the CC moved me in a way that the SMP never really did and so the SMP has left the building while the CC looks set for a long and happy home alongside an Oris Upcycle for those alternative dive duty days. I agree that the Sub now denotes someone wanting to buy a Rolex, rather than wanting to buy a great tool watch, which is a bit of a shame really.
Those Captain Cook watches look awesome!
I’m never taken a CAPTAIN COOK OVER A SEAMASTER 😂😂😂😂😂
@@SIZZO76 On the face of it, comparison makes no sense when considering build quality and engineering, but the CC exudes character and soul while for me, the SMP is just clinical and devoid of emotion. Now the Planet Ocean ...
I have both. 2 tone Submariner and a green Seamaster on the rubber strap. Love both and it's part of my rotation.
Enjoyed this video, good points. But for divers I own Seiko over Rolex and Omega because European cost too much for me.
Rolex sub, simple, classic beautiful, iconic design.Looks great on the wrist.
Bam 💥
I really love omega. Have previously owned the 1861 Speedy and an Aqua Terra... but i really hope they can create a watch similar in proportions to the new black bay 54...a diver which is 37-39mm and around 11mm thick would be incredible... as things stand, many of their watches are just too thick and chunky...i would also love a solid case back with the waves on the back, like the old Bond seamasters...
I'll just have to wait! I'm sure one day they release something compact and elegant
Mmmm a smaller omega diver 🤤
Tudor is nowhere near the level of OMEGA OR ROLEX
@@SIZZO76 absolutely right. I meant about the size. It would be great for Omega to make thinner smaller watches like they used to
Just regulated my Citizen Promaster NY0086 pepsi to +/-2 spd. It is now my favorite dive watch. Especially since I won it in a giveaway from @JustOneMoreWatch . Thanks Jody!
Sir Edmund Hillary wore a Smiths De Luxe when he summited Everest, Tenzing wore a Rolex.
I went for the SM300 NTTD, it’s so unique and beautiful. And still leave a place in my collection for a more classic Sub later in my life.
It's so good!
SEAMASTER is a great watch 😊
Get what you want. I never wanted a Black Bay. I saw one in a Jewelery store, tried it on and it spoke to me. It was the Black Bezel Heritage 41mm. I fell in love with it and bought it.
If it doesn’t speak to you immediately, then look at something else.
Trust your instincts
i have the regular blue SMP 300M and absolutely love it. i respect the sub and how timeless/classic it is, but i also find basically all subs boring except for the bluesy. the SMP 300M has a lot more character to it and makes it more fun.
Man, if you had to choose one the Sub wins the versatility award. It’s so function built in design it’s hard to say no. However, best for me is always vintage with those. And pre-coaxial Seamasters are a joy to wear. Those cases are so thin and with the SS bezel variations you really have stunning piece.
I say 5513 with WG dial markers and an early 2000s Seamaster are gives you joy in every way! Plus ease of servicing ;-)
But in modern, it’s so subjective. Both so well… or just table flip and get a Blancpain Fifty Fathoms lololol
The nineties Seamasters are indeed one of the best ever made!
I like both. I started this crazy journey of wat collecting in 1992. I will say this, I have never flipped an Omega, but have sold numerous of the other. Now I have around 12 Omega, ranging from the 1930's to today. I have zero Rolex.
I have both the new 41mm sub and a current gen Seamaster. I also had the past gen 40mm sub. I love them both but even for the same price, I would choose the Omega.
I broke the pearl pip off my ceramic submariner recently. I’ve had my submariner for around 5 years in total, I daily wear it as a equipment mechanic. So I brought it in for service and felt naked without a watch which led me to buy a grey and blue omega seamaster 300… ABSOLUTELY AMAZING! Runs about +1 second a day, it’s nice looking, I love the bracelet and the adjustability. For a watch that is a few thousand LESS than my submariner the seamaster punches in pretty high. I’m very happy with it so far BUT I can’t wait to get my sub back, it’s been a part of me for 5 years.
SEAMASTER is beautiful WATCH😊
I chipped my lume pip also. How much they charging u to fix it? I’m trying to figure out if I should leave it or fix it. Thanks.
@@skg5 $124.10 to replace it, they are also going to do a movement “service” at no charge because I’m still just within the warranty period and they offered to polish the watch, I declined the polish. They sent it to Rolex for the repair, it’s not being done by my jeweler. I think that’s a fair price and being under warranty for the movement service that saves me the $1,100 they would charge for a movement service. I’m interested to know what you end up doing and if you get charged the same. I walked into one of those “fast fix” places and they told me $80 to replace the pip, but I didn’t know where they were going to source the part and if it was going to be a genuine part or not so I opted to bring it to the AD that I bought the watch from.
@@alexsystems2001 that’s a very reasonable price. I’ll swing by my local AD and let u know what they say. I’m under warranty still as well.
I own an Omega 2531.80 that I recently took in for a full service at Omega, I sometimes gaze at it for several minutes with admiration, it's a total keeper. For the price if I purchased a Rolex Sub I would probably sell it after a while, to plain looking and don't want to get my arm cut if somebody tried to steal it.
For me it comes down to fit only . Sold the sd43 and bought the stock standard omega 210.30 black wave dial and glad I did and so is my pocket. Each to their own, highly subjective, both
Both are brilliant
I have a sub and love it. I also have multiple Seiko’s, a Grand Seiko, a Casio G-Shock, and a few other watches I wear in rotation. The watch that gets the most comments: Vostok Amphibia. Everyone asks about it, it’s not the norm, in a sea of people wearing Apple Watches and fashion brands at the office, the Vostok does not fit in. I kind of like it that way, it’s just not normal. It also helps its super cheap…😂
Bought a Seaweed a couple of months back, absolutely in love
Nice!
I agree with this conclusion. I'm on the waiting list for the sub, but I'm currently in deep, maddening love with my two SMP300s, especially the green one. I'm not even remotely excited about the sub, hardly think about it, and the day I get the call will be just like any other regular Tuesday. I'll likely go get it, but I already feel like it will be sold within 2 months. No hate to the rolex purists, and im sure they have their reasons, but the Omega is more of a conservative flex, and more visually stimulating
I tried on both and bought the Sub. I've always wanted a Submariner and was happy to have been able to purchase a 126610LV from my AD a year ago. It is a stunning watch, very iconic, incredibly robust, very comfortable to wear, amazingly accurate and it gets noticed more than any other watch I've owned in my 55 years of collecting (that can be good and bad). My pal bought a NTTD Omega and does not like it - he said the bezel is difficult to turn and he has trouble telling the time in certain lighting due to the skeleton hands. He now regrets his decision and wishes he had bought a Sub.
The sub is timeless, no arguing that
I have both watches you referenced and I love both. However, I would pic the Sub it is what first drew me to watches, I own the 16610, 16610lv, 16613 and 124060. People hate on Rolex because of AD’s and now it’s trendy.
I'd love the Omega if they'd ditch the skeleton hands for the Sword hands and thin the case down. I mean, I NEVER look at the back of my watch case while wearing it.. so that means nothing to me personally. Both are great pieces but the NoDate Sub wins in my book.
As an owner of multiple Omegas, i’d pick the Sub over the SMP anyday. The Sub looks more classy and easier to dress up. Its thinner and the bracelet is more comfy. The SMP has many cool features but kindy of redundant, such as the skeleton hands, the assymetrical HEV. It’s too big, too thick and its bracelet doesnt taper.
get one from the 90s
yeah everyone this guy owns a couple of omegas so he must really know his stuff, or be really wealthy. like, an omega guys.. holy shit! show some respect to vuvihu1989 and validate his generous broad views as a very rich manlet by supplying him with thumbs ups's
@@datboytalkinrungotellem are you new to the internet?
This isn’t a fair comparison, the sub in this video is the older model 114060. There is a newer model 124060 with the 3230 Rolex movement with paraflex shock absorbers. That would be an “even” comparison with this Omega.
Many feel that the old movements were better. There are some stories about the newer ones failing quite often
I love most Omegas, but not the skeleton hands versions. I just can't see what time it is at night due to the lack of lume.
Totally agree. The hour markers are good but the hands make the watch useless in the dark.
I own the 2531.80 and 2220.80 wave dial Seamaster. It was the 2541.80 (Golden eye) aged 10 that started my collection hobby. I had the 210.90.42 (NTTD) Seamaster but did not ‘bond’ with it at all. Which was a shame as I’m a massive bond fan. I also had the Sub 114060. It was too much on my wrist. It felt soulless and just there. Annoying me at how shiny and glitzy it was. If I was to ever buy another Sub it would hands down be the 14060M 2-liner. I like the new 60th release with the lollipop nod to the Spectre watch, the animated case-back but not the 60 on the bezel. I get it’s the 60th, just not for me. I not long ago purchased the Green Dial Seamaster and I have to say it’s the best watch I’ve ever owned. I absolutely love it. Highly recommend getting hands on with one, it’s sublime. 🤩
I want a 14060m 2-line too. Too bad they got so expensive in the last 3 years (like everything else). I really wanted a 5512/5513 but given the price difference the 14060 is the next best option and the 5-digit models are peobably the best option if you want a more vintage look and feel but without the drawbacks of a vintage watch.
Same goes for the GMT 16710. Way nicer than the new ones. That being said, I’m currently waiting on Rootbeer that costs only a little more than a nice 16710. It’s hard to justify getting a 5-digit model for the same price as a “newer, better” model that has 5-years warranty on top of that. Still, i have trouble warming up to the bew subs.
Fun video, thank you. The best? If you don't measure the quality of the watch by price, "the best", imo is a Scurfa D1, Ti. I own or have owned all three. I still own a well-worn Rolex SD and Sub from the late '80s. Today I wear a Scurfa. I've also bought Rolexes knowing full well I'd flip it for a profit. Sadly, if that is why you bought a Rolex, there is going to be little satisfaction and not much of a watch experience there.
0 / +5 faster is much better than -2 / +2.
Since you just pull the crown for a few seconds after 1-2 weeks and you get perfect time.
The other case if your watch run slower, it takes a lot more effort to set up the perfect time.
People simply don’t get this, that’s why they say you buy the Omega if you have a head
It doesn't matter. If you're so anal about perfect timing you'll be messing with aligning the minute had with the markers anyway. On the other hand, what is better? Having a watch that after a month is 2.5 minutes ahead (30x5) or one that is 1 minute behind (30x2) ?
@@diavalus who is "they"? The Omega fanboys who constantly feel the need to compare their watches with the Rolex equivalent?
Get on the list. Do not wait for it. Buy it when you can. Think about anything else later, you are never losing money… And, this watch is great.
I would look for a vintage two line no date Sub over a new one. I own 4 Omega SMPs of various colors and metals ... I love the new Bond, but no space in my collection right now. Vintage Sub for my money. Great content.
I think of both watches the best models are the ones that were around 20 years ago.
Loved this video. Resonated so much. Keep up the good work
I felt the same way when the AD called me. I felt obligated to buy it... at least I can sell it 😊. I actually like my Marathon GSAR more. Its suits me better.
I chose the Omega. I have Rolex’s. Just not the common sub
Great video. Ever since I bought my BB58 blue more than a year ago, I have never considered to go for the Sub or the SM. The BB58 is the only dive watch I have ever wanted. But if I were to splurge on another luxury dive watch, I would go for the SM300. The Sub looks too similar to my BB58 and I do not prefer watches in my collection to look too similar to each other.
Tudor 👎🏻
@@impoautosguatemala9847Wow, you spend your time going online and shitting on other people's subjective choices. Aren't you a cool dude.
I'm a Bond fan, my first decent watch was the "Goldeneye" Seamaster and the Casino Royale Planet Ocean. At the time (2007) my friend showed me his Sub which I'd always admired, until I felt the bracelet and heard the price differential. I still like the look of a no date sub but would not risk death by a thousand cuts by my wife for spending £10k on a watch, She'd have me committed. Saying that, the No Time To Die Seamaster is now in a similar price Realm. My own grail watch is the Spectre Seamaster 300. I prefer this model for the absence of the helium escape valve. I'd recently texplained the Rolex waiting list/ purchase history thing to my mate. He couldn't believe it. On a recent shopping trip I took him into a large jeweller and expressed interest in a Rolex Explorer. He couldn't believe it when they said they could add me to their " Register Of Interest." However, I could walk out with any Omega they had. Enough said I think.
If the Seamaster had a serviceable bezel for diving, there would be no question. The best dive watch is a Seiko, and that is not close.
Correct. For actually going in the water, Seiko every time.
@@wintermute8315 well, call me crazy but I've been diving with both my Sub and Seamaster :)
I own a sub. But the only thing keeping me from buying the Omega is the helium escape valve. It kills me. My friend say's you don't notice it after awhile, but I'm just not buying it.
If you buy sub from AD you will make money for sure but if buying from grey dealer you will also lose around 2K, while if you buy the regular SMP 300 at a good discount 10% -15% you would maybe lose around 500 - 800 dollars if you decide to sell it. By the Omega prices keep increasing (next one is due July 1st)
Thank you for this video, may I ask what the brand and model of your glasses are please? They look like they fit a narrow head well like 45mm lens.
I have quite a lot dive watches, including fifty fathoms, green sub and others. I also have Tudor pelagos 39 and FXD. I would recommend pelagos as most desirable dive watches as pelagos is a more classic, more comfortable and purer dive watch.
@@denniskai2331 I am not saying that homage watch is not worth buying. However it is best to buy authentic watch instead of homage as which does not bring long term happiness or refresh that an authentic one will bring.
The FXD is a cult classic!
👍 The Pelagos 39 is the no date Sub for those w/o AD connections and not dumb to pay Grey, over MSRP, for a Sub. Perfect as a dress watch, in sporting environments.
@@denniskai2331 I agree that sometimes a watch collector would like to own a homage watch so as to verify whether it is suitable for himself or herself. However do not waste too much money on the homage watches as which will not have long term satisfaction and comfort from my experience.
@@WestCoastAce27 yes, I am the person who doesn’t want to keep relationship with a dealer. I also find that the pelagos is a very versatile watch that I can wear it to go to anywhere and anytime.
I’ll take the omega Seamaster professional over the Rolex every time. I’m always gonna want it on a bracelet though, I prefer the omega bracelets over the Rolex, with only the Jubilee, being the exception. I’ve owned both and IMO the omega edges out the Rolex and every category and for half the price.(i’m watching this video for a second time because I’ve decided to purchase the Seamaster professional 300 with the white dial.
They both have a unique design, great movement and finition. Even if prefer the look of the omega I will say that the sub wins, the history about it makes it special
Since I could not care less about James Bond, I find difficult to justify the difference in price between this special edition Seamaster 300M and the standard. In other words, my head tells me that it is too expensive. Regarding the Submariner, it was my grail, so when I bought it, it waa my heart taking. 🤣.
114060 Rolex is the nicest watch of all time.
I haven't had a desire to pick up a dive watch a couple I like. Then there's one I came across that I like the concept behind it, The brand Relax, The diver is called the substitute instead of the submariner😊 It runs off a Seiko 4r35 movement if I remember correctly.
I would prefer an updated 'Pre-Bond' Seamaster with no release valve, a sapphire crystal, better lume, and a modern movement. Then you have a classic design, authentic 39mm diver. They could even keep the 200m rating!
The Omega isn’t cheaper in the UK, both retail at £7700
With the Omega you get that awkward bracket to lug design. Idk, on some vintage models that works, but given it’s modern design aesthetic it just looks cheap (imo of course).
I had the opposite experience. My first high end watch was a smp chrono. I bought it with my head in that it had better specs than the submariner and it was cheaper. Made the most logical sense. My heart wanted the rolex cause it was a rolex.
Any MM300, or any professional tuna.
I would choose neither. Have the Gen 1 Planet Ocean, works for me. Thanks for the video Max.
For my money, I got the Tudor. Great watch, less price, still says "watch nerd"
MM300 is the greatest dive watch ever!!
The rolex (in term of design) is much much more discret/versatile. It s the only positive point for the rolex but it s the most important (I own both).
In term of mvt, I have no background regarding coaxial mvt but I know friends who own rolex since 20 years without any service with a good drift and (most important) very good amplitude!
Why not both?
I have Omega 2222.80. I wouldn't trade it for all the money in the world. (almost). 36mm; CoAxial; yeah I wanted a Bond watch. I pretend the He escape valve is a remote detonator or laser. I do love the dial and hands of the Omega. The scalloped bezel adds character to the watch. I would love a Sub, but I'm not playing that game. If I won the lottery however...
i will go with my heart, i agree on this with you for Omega
More than happy with my BB58.
The Seamaster 300. But not the SMP, the normal 60s looking one.
a bro with a big bonus check.....LOVE IT🤣 that's a Rolex owner
Me watching this while waiting for my MM300 to arrive: 👀
Prefer my SM300....the one that "Tells the time" . Far more timeless and classy than either 😉👍🏻
My solution has been to own both. 14060M Sub and 2551.80 Seamaster. And a Seiko completes my dive watch collection.
👏👏😎
I like the 3/4 zip pullover you’re wearing in this video? Where can I get one?!
I disagree with the statement that a "different" looking watch looks goofy. Personally appreciate it when the watch isn't the "basic" looking dive watch. The Sub may be a icon, but following the sheeple aint for me. I want people to see originality on my wrist.
i really love a 40mm no date sub, i just don’t like everything associated with Rolex. I will hopefully still get one tho
If you judged me and my sub by your criteria, you'd be mistaken. I've had mine since the asteroid hit Chicxulub and it was for diving.🙂 I wouldn't own one for fashion which is why the vast majority of people have them.
So you know the vast majority of people who own subs and why. what a Lazy cliched take.
The diver watch I actually really want is a Sinn U50T
Sinn is grossly underrated. I recently saw some in person and they have huge presence and personality. Beautiful OR functional watches.
@@threethrushes very true ...I tried on the u50 and it is by far one of the most comfortable watches. The click on the bezel is purposeful and it feels like you are adjusting the mode wheels on a Leica camera.
Hey man ,You need to look at Favre Leuba dive watches..
Omega is more inetersting watch and more deliberate? As You said Rolex can be worn by anyone, Omega is almost for sure a sign of somone that is into watches. Blue Seamaster all the way. Hate Tudor desing, looks too ugly to me.
Yeah. And Tudor isn’t in the same comparison space. Love all these comments including Tudor in a debate with omega and Rolex. It’s just not in the same league.
I would go for the Submariner. The 124060 is one of my grails.
One of the reasons is that I already own a Seamaster snd I don't have a Rolex in my collection.
Also I collect watches to keep them and later pass them on. I don't buy watches to sell them.
Seiko Marinemaster 300 sbdx023 is the obvious title holder.
I’ve been through four different Subs and none have satisfied me head wise to the degree where I felt okay keeping that much money parked in one. As for Omega their diver design language doesn’t resonate with me at all heart wise so their lower price point won’t ever attract me as a potential buyer. With AD wait times shrinking I’m going to give a new No Date Sub a try before surrendering to the urge to find an apex diver for my mix from a less prominent maker like Doxa or Blancpain. Thanks for showing clips of the epic backyard party, my sweatshirt makes me easy to spot.
Glashutte specializt diver is 10000 better than Rolex sub
I’ll take both please….already own the sub but I really like this 60th bond version of the 300m
As much as I love Omega, owning 5 and don't have any Rolex yet, I still gotta give Rolex Sub the best diver watch of all time ... but I buy watches with my heart, so my next aquisition will be an Omega Seamaster 300 older version - caliber 8400 :P
The seamaster 300M blue with a pinch of sedna gold is my go to watch. If you like money, make it elsewhere, watches are made for our souls to enjoy😊
Well said
Since you show a lot of Matrix scenes in this vid, how about Hamilton Pulsar Matrix Edition in your next video? haha
Anyway, both Subbie and Seammie are great, but I would choose Seammie due to price concerns.
PS. I did cosplay Trinity once.
Haha, it's a glitch
@@WatchCrunchOfficial acceptable answer haha
Easy! Buy the Sub, wear it, enjoy it, sell it. Then buy an Omega at discount or pre-owned. Invest the difference. Best of both worlds.
I have both. And tbh, I wear my SMP a lot more.
I went for the pelagos LHD . Neither the Rolex or the Seamaster should be worn with a formal suit they are all extremely nice tool watches although many do . I use my nomos for the odd occasion I can't wear my pelagos .
Love the LHD
Thanks Max, Thanks for bringing great content on watches for me to enjoy and learn! That being said I have a Daniel JeanRichard titanium Diverscope good for 1000ft. with a vanilla scented rubber strap...I wouldn't trade it for either of these watches cause I love the Diverscope!
never buying a seamaster as long as their hated bracelets aren't made to match the price... and offering the mesh bracelets is an admission of their failure in terms of bracelet.
That's why I love the SMP it's unique design
Omega went out of business in the 1980's. Nicholas Hayek bought the name. No equipment or people came with the sale.
That is not true, stop spreading lies
@@dstfno absoloutely true. I lived through it.
@@rcm4u2 Then you are clueless about how these things work. Omega was already part of a holding before Hayek came on the scene. Hayek and his associates took over the whole holding. They didn't purchase only the Omega trademark.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_SA#History
Omega spent 5 YEARS in a holding company. How many watches did they make in that 5 years?
@@rcm4u2and your point is?
If Rolex became readily available the price would drop so fast.
@@denniskai2331 One of the things that makes something desirable is the lack of availability. The harder something is to get the more valuable it becomes. It’s like the diamond industry , De Beers understood this and this is why they buy up all the worlds diamond minds, you controls the supply you control the prices how else can they sell almost worthless stones and such insane prices. Rolex and De Beers are the kings of marketing
It’s the demand, not the supply, that keeps Rolex prices high. They make a million of them per year.
@@cecaju9516 what came first the chicken or the egg? You keep up the demand by Marketing convincing people you really need this and then you slow down supply to bring the prices up.
@@canadianwatchmonkey3992 good marketing is a normal and desirable business practice. Rolex supply only fell during the pandemic shutdowns, but has been back to full capacity for awhile and they are building a new factory to increase capacity. They currently make almost twice as many watches as Omega.
Omega always Omega
Just buy the watch that ticks more boxes. For me, its the Submariner and I don't regret.
I cross-shopped between the SMP and Sub, somewhat hoping the SMP would tick the boxes because it didn’t want to be a “Rolex guy” but it just didn’t do it for me at all. Tried on the Sub and I knew it was the one.
@@SonikDethmonkey And probably 99 out of 100 people don't even notice or care what you are wearing. pathetic that you worried what strangers would think.
@@davidr2802 what’s pathetic are all the lazy stereotypical comments that judge people based on what watch they’re wearing. Of course the “normies” couldn’t care less but if I go to a watch meet up, which I do, with my Rolex vs my Sinn (for example) there would absolutely be a palpable difference in how folks relate to me. I absolutely ended up buying what I wanted, as I always do, but that doesn’t mean that I’m ignorant to people’s assumptions.
I’d just buy the omega used. No depreciation
wouldn't pay the extra 2 grand for the bond watch... over the normal sm300.... just don't get that 🤷🏼♂️
why pay $6000 for a watch named after a fictional character in the first. Why pay $6000 for a watch in 2023? Because watch buying is an emotional affair for everything except for the business proposition called Rolex.
@@davidr2802That is exactly my point. Me head tells me instantly...don't buy that watch . It is overpriced just for being associated to a fictional character.
" A little bit of a gimmick" is a little bit of an understatement. An animation of a movie character on the caseback! Really? I'd feel like a sad arse putting this thing on my wrist. The Seamaster 300M has a lot of potential but it is still overdesigned and does not have a professional feel. First, that wave pattern needs to be sent to the bottom of the Mariana Trench. Then it needs non-skeleton hands on it. And any juvenile Bond references need to be shot to bits with a Walther PPK. And then we'd be getting there. Not before.