Wow… just wow. You have described me from head to toe. I was raised by my dad, I often find myself in conflict with feminist beliefs because I know the other side to the story and I’m always oveprepared for meeting with supervisors. I don’t get along with other Athenas though, we all have too strong personalities for each other 😅
Wow ! So impressive. It résonnâtes so much with me. A revelation. Gave me the shivers. Thank you! I would have never been able to have such a réflexion by myself. ❤
As a man, I can see myself in an Athena archetype (raised to be a good Warrior, having a thirst for knowledge as a Magician, looking to bring or preserve order as a King, and having a Lover energy inferior to the first three). I find a lot of my own story and self-development in this video. I also see clearly the characters of two of my best girlfriends : one being an Athena, the other an Artemis, and YES the are very, very different. ^^
I really enjoyed this. Honestly, I find these types of woman to be the most attractive. They are smart and self-directed.. and yes they're charismatic and capable of influencing many around them. Can't wait to see what else you bring out.
The Athena archetype while she has does have good traits wisdom, intelligence, cleverness, leadership, and dominance. Like everyone else's, she has flaws as she not very emotional nor is she emotionally intelligence and can cause unintentional harm to those around her who supported her. She often values logically reasons instead of embracing new environments that might have different solutions that out of her familiar comfort zone. Athena is also very prideful despite moments of kindness, she not without pride, as Athena doesn't take to kindly of losing if you remember the weaving competition with Arachne, after depicting the gods flaws though a weaving art. Athena got angry and turn Arachne into a spider. In some stories Athena turn Arachne into a spider so Zeus can't rape her or that Athena got mad that a moral beat in her own skill set. While there are many different versions of this story the main point of this story, that Athena like many other gods is prideful losing to someone below her makes her competitive. The flaws of a Athena archetype are pride, competitiveness, inflexible, unfeeling, and selfishness.
Her, aphrodite and Persephone i always find interesting myth wise since they are 3 different versions of them that the ancient greeks worship. All the Athenas share similar flaws and traits that youve listed. I think i enjoy the war version the most simply because her and Ares are mirror images with the same flaws but with her more emotionless and logical while Ares is more hotheaded and reckless. Her the general while Ares is the soldier.
@@Kris-wo4pj That's remind me, their Roman counterparts. They're so different from each other too. Athena Roman counterpart is more of a scholar and teacher. And Ares Roman counterpart is more honorable and respected
Thanks Little Murder Machine 664, by the way great name. It amazed me when I stared this project how much better the Greeks were at crafting characters in myths then modern storytellers are at making characters compelling.. Also how they understood the value in flaws.
@@MinimumEffortMedia Everyone has flaws even the so called heroes in our stories. But our flaws are what makes us who we are. Aphrodite represent the good and bad side of love. She can be loving and sweet but can be vain and revengeful. Like love it can heal you or hurt you. Athena is smart and proud but ruthless and prideful. Ares is brave and driven but violence and has lack of control. Zeus....has a lot of flaws. Hera can be nice but also has a temper can be extremely violence and manipulated when anger. Hades is a loner who loves his wife? But can be???? Yeah I can't think of flaw for this guy. Only him and Hestia are the only ones who don't cause trouble.
There aren't many version of arachne's story, there is only one, and it comes from roman writer. No arachne story was ever written by any greek writer. and this "unfeeling, selfish, infexible" Athena is a nonsense portrayal of her. People only have mis represented and wrongly popularized the tales to have the opinion about her.
I have a tough time seeing how the Athena archetype can be anything but shadow if it does not lead individuals toward the integration of their masculine and feminine aspects.
altered my youtube algorithim. Edited: (in the middle of the video) This deserved more views. Edited: )2 mins before the endnof the video) cried. Checked the Descriptions and those are the books I am looking for. New subscriber here.
Let’s see, off the top of my head. I borrowed a lot of clips from Elizabeth the golden age, Bombshell, Zero Dark Thirty, and Booksmart. If you haven’t seen them those are all great movies. I probably used other movies with Cate Blanchet too. If you want to know a specific movie give me the time code and I’ll let you know.
I’m glade you are enjoying the videos. I’ll add everyone’s favorite daughter to the list. Next month will be Aphrodite. I also plan on going back to cover Hermès sometime.
Perhaps that is an element of Athena’s shadow. Overly self- important, self righteous, asserting dominance. One of the things I omitted from the easy was Athena living by the Golden Mean. Another way of saying being well balanced between extremes.
I disagree watching this it seems that Athena would never support a cause that she does not benefit from. Black women even some Black Men "Uncle Tom Stereotype" since birth are often expected to selfless hence the "Strong Black Woman" and "Mammy" stereotype. Athena benefits from a patriarchal society while Black Women have historically suffered under white patriarchy. This archetype more likely fits the white woman "Girl Boss" Archetype.
@@thandondlovu5392 Black women HAVE embodied the "Athena" archetype when it comes to supporting black male patriarchy though despite not benefitting from that either. So it's definitely possible for people to take on more shadow aspects of this archetype while not getting a direct benefit. Plus, patriarchy doesn't benefit most women to begin with.
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Wow… just wow. You have described me from head to toe. I was raised by my dad, I often find myself in conflict with feminist beliefs because I know the other side to the story and I’m always oveprepared for meeting with supervisors. I don’t get along with other Athenas though, we all have too strong personalities for each other 😅
Wow ! So impressive. It résonnâtes so much with me. A revelation. Gave me the shivers. Thank you! I would have never been able to have such a réflexion by myself. ❤
As a man, I can see myself in an Athena archetype (raised to be a good Warrior, having a thirst for knowledge as a Magician, looking to bring or preserve order as a King, and having a Lover energy inferior to the first three). I find a lot of my own story and self-development in this video. I also see clearly the characters of two of my best girlfriends : one being an Athena, the other an Artemis, and YES the are very, very different. ^^
My kind of women
This deserves more views
Thanks for the kind words.
Love Your Videoos!!! 💕💕💕💕💕💕 The review and observations are spot on
Thank you, I’m glad you enjoyed!
Oh man actual first. Keep up the good work man!
Thanks! Will do!
Key : Athena really must integrate her mother.
I really enjoyed this. Honestly, I find these types of woman to be the most attractive. They are smart and self-directed.. and yes they're charismatic and capable of influencing many around them. Can't wait to see what else you bring out.
The Athena archetype while she has does have good traits wisdom, intelligence, cleverness, leadership, and dominance. Like everyone else's, she has flaws as she not very emotional nor is she emotionally intelligence and can cause unintentional harm to those around her who supported her. She often values logically reasons instead of embracing new environments that might have different solutions that out of her familiar comfort zone. Athena is also very prideful despite moments of kindness, she not without pride, as Athena doesn't take to kindly of losing if you remember the weaving competition with Arachne, after depicting the gods flaws though a weaving art. Athena got angry and turn Arachne into a spider. In some stories Athena turn Arachne into a spider so Zeus can't rape her or that Athena got mad that a moral beat in her own skill set. While there are many different versions of this story the main point of this story, that Athena like many other gods is prideful losing to someone below her makes her competitive. The flaws of a Athena archetype are pride, competitiveness, inflexible, unfeeling, and selfishness.
Her, aphrodite and Persephone i always find interesting myth wise since they are 3 different versions of them that the ancient greeks worship. All the Athenas share similar flaws and traits that youve listed. I think i enjoy the war version the most simply because her and Ares are mirror images with the same flaws but with her more emotionless and logical while Ares is more hotheaded and reckless. Her the general while Ares is the soldier.
@@Kris-wo4pj That's remind me, their Roman counterparts. They're so different from each other too. Athena Roman counterpart is more of a scholar and teacher. And Ares Roman counterpart is more honorable and respected
Thanks Little Murder Machine 664, by the way great name. It amazed me when I stared this project how much better the Greeks were at crafting characters in myths then modern storytellers are at making characters compelling.. Also how they understood the value in flaws.
@@MinimumEffortMedia Everyone has flaws even the so called heroes in our stories. But our flaws are what makes us who we are. Aphrodite represent the good and bad side of love. She can be loving and sweet but can be vain and revengeful. Like love it can heal you or hurt you. Athena is smart and proud but ruthless and prideful. Ares is brave and driven but violence and has lack of control. Zeus....has a lot of flaws. Hera can be nice but also has a temper can be extremely violence and manipulated when anger. Hades is a loner who loves his wife? But can be???? Yeah I can't think of flaw for this guy. Only him and Hestia are the only ones who don't cause trouble.
There aren't many version of arachne's story, there is only one, and it comes from roman writer.
No arachne story was ever written by any greek writer.
and this "unfeeling, selfish, infexible" Athena is a nonsense portrayal of her.
People only have mis represented and wrongly popularized the tales to have the opinion about her.
Very educational, love it
Glade you enjoyed it.
Artemis and Athena def are strong in me probably won’t ever marry 😂 but love hard and deeply.
Brilliant! 🌹
Subbed. This is really good
Thank you
Gonna check out the first one now
I needed this, excellent insights and video thanks!
This was very eye opening, you earned a sub
Thanks
First Goddess I ever encountered.
One of many more I hope.
Yes. I have since worked with Aphrodite and Hestia.
Kind of amazing
Thank you, glade you enjoyed it.
I have a tough time seeing how the Athena archetype can be anything but shadow if it does not lead individuals toward the integration of their masculine and feminine aspects.
I see what you’re saying. I have heard very similar arguments said about the warrior.
altered my youtube algorithim.
Edited: (in the middle of the video) This deserved more views.
Edited: )2 mins before the endnof the video) cried. Checked the Descriptions and those are the books I am looking for. New subscriber here.
Thank you so much. I’m glad you enjoyed it.
Really informative and well thought-out channel! Great work!
Much appreciated!
A pallas in Sagittarius person won't forget them morals whatcha think?
Can you please name a few of those movies that depict an athena archetype?
Let’s see, off the top of my head. I borrowed a lot of clips from Elizabeth the golden age, Bombshell, Zero Dark Thirty, and Booksmart. If you haven’t seen them those are all great movies. I probably used other movies with Cate Blanchet too. If you want to know a specific movie give me the time code and I’ll let you know.
Please make a video essay on Persephone!!
I’m glade you are enjoying the videos. I’ll add everyone’s favorite daughter to the list. Next month will be Aphrodite. I also plan on going back to cover Hermès sometime.
I’m excited!
@@siena2637 I also just dropped a new one today.
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Welcome
What about persephone?
I talk about her a little in my latest video. More about her mother’s journey to find her.
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where did you get this archetype from?
The book “Goddess in Everywomen”, it’s cited. Also Greek Mythology.
Would be more convincing with less ideologically coloured language.
Is this the American karen?
Perhaps that is an element of Athena’s shadow. Overly self- important, self righteous, asserting dominance. One of the things I omitted from the easy was Athena living by the Golden Mean. Another way of saying being well balanced between extremes.
Black woman are better at this. Oprah and Media would make good example.
Oprah is a great example. Perhaps I should have made an effort to find more diverse examples.
I disagree watching this it seems that Athena would never support a cause that she does not benefit from. Black women even some Black Men "Uncle Tom Stereotype" since birth are often expected to selfless hence the "Strong Black Woman" and "Mammy" stereotype. Athena benefits from a patriarchal society while Black Women have historically suffered under white patriarchy. This archetype more likely fits the white woman "Girl Boss" Archetype.
@@thandondlovu5392 Spot on Thando.
@@thandondlovu5392 Black women HAVE embodied the "Athena" archetype when it comes to supporting black male patriarchy though despite not benefitting from that either. So it's definitely possible for people to take on more shadow aspects of this archetype while not getting a direct benefit. Plus, patriarchy doesn't benefit most women to begin with.
@@WeCaredALotmost intricate cope ever