An interesting combination of things she rules over: wisdom, knitting, crochet, and bayonets. 🤣. I love the timeline of the olive tree. Looking forward to the Arachne video!
I think we can't discount the fact that the most popular version of the myths of Medusa and Arachne were written by Ovid, a poet who is distinctly anti-authority (specifically anti-Augustus, which, honestly, Augustus had it coming) and also Roman
Even though she is The God of War, Athena used wisdom and initiative to win fights, instead of using ultra violence. She did NOT like fighting without a purpose truly worth fighting for. GREAT Goddess.
I always though it was very funny the story of how Athena was born, out of the head of Zeus and with a battle cry. I´m also a big fan of Saint Seiya since I was a kid so I know I´m gonna like this video. Greetings Lady! Hope everything is going well 😊.
Wait... you're dyslexic, and you do all this stuff? Impressive. I hope you continue, and I wish you well. It's a good day when a video from Cinzia D comes up in my feed.
Thanks for this wonderful presentation of a goddess I've always been interested in. A couple of cents from my part: In the Theogony, the shape shifting between Metis and Zeus is not part of his pursuit of her but a contest he initiates as a way to trick her into turning into a fly so that he can swallow her. The way I've always heard the word is "Hesp-PER-ih-deez". In the "Iliad" it isn't Achilles who's disguised and whose appearance deceives Hector: while Hector is racing from Achilles around the walls of Troy, Athena herself turns into an image of Hector's friend Deiphobus. In this disguise, she convinces Hector that they can defeat Achilles. At the crucial moment, when he turns to Deiphobus for help, there's no one there. That's when he knows the gods have decided against him. The way I've always heard the word is "You-MEN-ih-deez". I'm wondering if the general modern trend of emphasizing Athena's dislike of women is over-stated: we should remember that while Athena is a goddess of war, she is also a goddess of feminine arts, notably weaving. In some versions of the story, she pits herself against Arachne because Arachne says her talent rivals Athena's, and Athena is far from the only deity who reacts badly when a mortal (or demi-mortal) decides they're as good as that deity is in a particular accomplishment. One of her earliest friendships was with a girl, Pallas. We should remember too, that the popular stories of both Medusa and Arachne are given to us by Ovid, a Roman poet writing much later than Homer, Hesiod and the Greek playwrighting trio; who calls his goddess Minerva, the Roman equivalent of Athena. In more ancient sources, Medusa is the mortal sister of three Gorgons, not relegated to that role by any deity.
Great video as always, Athena’s epithet Pallas and the myth surrounding it is really interesting. Book recommendation: Athene, image and energy by Ann Shearer
Your videos are seriously among my favorites on all of TH-cam! Getting a notification that you’ve put out something new always makes me so excited ☺️ off topic but I don’t know if you watch Royalty Now but they just did a recreation of Helen of Troy the other day that I thought was great!
Athena was one of my favorite goddesses back when I got obsessed with Greek Mythology in 6th grade. My other faves were Artemis and Persephone. What's really interesting about Athena is that as wise as she was, she was still as fallible as the other gods in the Pantheon. She can be vengeful (in the case of everything that happened in the Trojan War) and petty (in the case of Arachne). Sometimes her good intentions lead to a bad outcome, in the case of Medusa. And yet, she is still seriously cool.
Actually, according to Legend, Athens / Athenai / Athena, the city took it's name FROM the Goddess and not the Goddess her name from the city. When the city was founded, both Athena and Poseidon contested each other to become their Patron God. Poseidon offered them some fine steeds, while Athena offered them the Olive Tree, so that way it's people would thrive and wouldn't hunger. The people decided to accept Athena's gift and make her their Patron Goddess, so named their city after her as well. Non the less, great presentation my lady.
well, yes, according to the myth Athens is named after her, but that’s a fictional story. Historically speaking, it’s also likely Athena was named after Athens as the myth is an origin story of the city, and as such, the city had to exist first rather than the story of fictional gods fighting for the city. Lady Atana (Atānā Potniā) was known in the Mycenaean period, long before the city of Athens, but no one knows directly is Athena was established in that region before or after the name. it’s very much a chicken and egg situation. It is possible that Athens took the name from the goddess, but it is also possible that the goddess took her name from Athens.
@@CinziaDuBois @CinziaDuBois Of course, that's a fair point of view, by the the historical evidence stand. Indeed Athena and the majority of the Olympians were much more Ancient deities, probably originating in the Mycenean era and could have probably originated even further before in the Minoan civilization (Zeus being born and grown in Crete and being asociated with a Bull in many myths, which seems to have been a sacred animal in Minoan culture) . However, the Mythic era of Greeks, is supposed to be taking place even before the Mycenean era, the time of great Heroes like Herakles and Theseus. If I recall correct, also from archaeological finds, there must have been a settlement in the Mycenean era that either was already or became Athens afterwards. Wether it was called Athens at that time or not that's a bit of a mystery. If I recall correct though, there is a passage in the Homeric Epics, the ship's catalogue. I have to check on that again to refresh my memory, but I am pretty sure that the Athenians send a few ships as well along with the other Achaean forces joining the war. If that's indeed correct, certainly the settlement of Athens was present in that era and possibly earlier than that. Thanks for your response
@@CinziaDuBois lmao.. yes, humans name all gods.. how did ever work out for humans to piss off gods? we will surely allow them to name us.. humans are cattle..
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Very interesting!.. In the stores I've known, Posidon is the one that holds the Clashing Rocks apart when Jason is threatened. I like this rendering better.👍🏾
I'm reading The Iliad right now and just yesterday I got to the part where Pallas Athena spears Ares in the crotch. I got lost a bit because of the in medias res start, so this was interesting context.
I think Athena is amazing and she gets a bad rep these days, which is a shame but sort of understandable. There was no mention of her link with Nike (the goddess not the trainers) and the rumour that they were a couple.
Athena is the coolest goddess to ever come out of imagination.. or Zeus' head. If the Greek gods were real and I was completely sure; I'd definitely be one of her most fanatic followers and I do mean *fanatic.* Despite the red flags, I still think Athena is best girl.
Great video, thank you. I am not sure how deep Ovid's influence on the Archaea story was but I wonder if perception of Athena would be different without his post CE Roman Lit additions. I am looking for something to read on Athena's matriarchal origins in the Bronze Age if anyone had any recommendations.
Great video and I enjoy your work however, given that the Medusa being raped by Poseidon story is from Ovid, a later Latin writer than Homer plus there are other versions of the myth where Medusa was Poseidon's willing lover and still others where Athena never transformed her and she was always a Gorgon... Is this really something we can say pre-Roman Greeks believed of her? I'm not saying Ovid's work isn't valid for anyone who prefers that version of the myth but if we're looking at the beliefs of the pre-Latin Greeks can we really use him as a source? I've also heard several versions of the Arachne myth, including one where Athene won and Arachne hung herself in despair only to be turned into a spider out of pity by Athena. Not sure which of those is the oldest. That said, I really liked this video and want to say thank you for posting it!
I mean, yes, very good argument, though I would say we don't know if the depictions of her in the Greek texts were consensual. They may not have used the term violated as Ovid did, but in Hesiod's Theogony, he said, "Poseidon, he of the dark hair, lay with one of these [Gorgons], in a soft meadow and among spring flowers." The language is not explicitly violent but doesn't suggest consent. People like to assume 'laying' together means it was consensual, but it can be read either way, especially considering the term. What we do have from this description by Hesiod is an allusion to the famed flowery Meadows, which in Greek mythology is dripping with sensuality and explicitly written about as a place of sexual allure. In most classic Greek mythology, women are seized upon the moment they step into the meadow because their being there and possibly picking flowers is read as an explicit sexual act. Such famed victims of the flowery meadow trope in Greek mythology are Persephone, Europa, Orithyeia, Helen (according to Euripedes' play), Kreousa, Io (in Aeschylus' Prometheus Bound) and a few more, Greeks were often explicit with acts of consensual sex between mortals and gods. For example, Theophane, again described by Hesiod, was in love with Poseidon and is described as going down to the sea and pouring water on her vagina to mate with him. It would be interesting to examine why Hesiod was explicit when describing the sexual attraction and relation between Theophane and Poseidon but then more allusive with that between Medusa and Poseidon, saying he merely lay with her. Hesiod is very gentle concerning matters of force against women, such as describing Persephone as being 'carried off' rather than abducted. It would be a little too forgiving to ascribe consent to Hesiod's telling of Medusa's relation with Poseidon when he is explicit with the consent elsewhere. Whilst Ovid is responsible for today's more explicit discussion of Medusa's rape, he is not solely responsible for the wrath of Athena against women. For example, the Greek poet Parthenius wrote explicitly of Athena's wrath against Alcinoe and Meropis. Similarly, Pseudo-Apollodorus explicitly states "Medusa was beheaded because of Athena, for they say the Gorgon had been willing to be compared with Athena in beauty" and that Athena guided Perseus' hand in her beheading. So, I would say that, yes, Ovid is anti-authoritarian, but it's overly simplistic to give him so much credit to ascribe all the bad qualities of the gods, and then the story of Medusa's rape, to him. There are many allusions and suggestions built up over Greek myths for him to have gathered enough from many sources to formulate his own version of their myth: they certainly weren't plucked from the air.
@@CinziaDuBois those were good points that I was very unaware of and I want to say thank you for explaining that to me. I'm going to have to think about that.
All the people who have had the activiation of the kundalini will be able (when their kundalini will be unblocked like mine) to provide the truth of Athena and her family.
no way the Oddysey would have worked if Athena had not petitioned Zeus for Penelope and Ulysius . this paved the way for strangers to help him get back home via hospitality .
I haven't watched the video yet, since I'm at work, so I don't know if this is an inside joke in the vid. Goddess seems to spelt Coddess in the thumbnail?
hello everyone here i have a question for everyone here the question is last night i had a dream that i was on mount olympus with the the goddess athena and while I was there in my dream i was talkin to the goddess athena and one of the many thing that i say in that conversation with the goddess athena in my dream was that i said to the goddess athena was that i love her with all my heart and soul and right after i said that to the goddess athena in my dream a smile came on the face of the goddess athena and she gave me a kiss on my head and while that this was happening the space i was with the goddess athena on mount olympus in my dream did change in a space with a beautiful blue sky with golden clouds and a ground with more pink flowers than the eyes can see can anyone please tell me what this dream of mine is about the goddess can mean and what it may be trying to tell me
Whilst I love what Athena stood for she usually in the myths behaved as such a pick me and enemy of women from what she did to Arachne and Medusa, to her attitude towards Aphrodite and Helen of Sparta. She always acted like a “not like other girls” trope of a goddess and the worst part is her mother Métis is almost always omitted from myth. She always seemed like such a confusing opposite to Ares especially when it came to the the fact that Enyo and Eris both functioned as better opposites to him. Even his daughter Harmonia seemed a better opposite. Athena seemed like just a way to create discourse between Athens and Sparta. She was has the same hubris as Zeus but he never views her as a threat cause she’s female furthering how the sexism of the her myths actually work against her.
what athena did to Medusa was not a punishment. She grafted the basalisks to her head to protect her. Further, she was Zues's sister not his daughter, They were born from Gaia along with posiden, zues, hera and a few others. It was Athena who had the idea to cause cronos to have a headache. The spartan culture was one of Athenas projects, and it did well for it's time. Sadly Zues had a habbit of telling wild fantasies to his followers resulting it major perversions of the truth and attributing to the conflicting stories about them all, as his drunk arse could never keep his lies straight. I will add that the reason so many genitals are found around Athens was Athenas request. She found it entertaining how is deflated misogynists and empowered women. Mostly our of humor, but it did prove helpful at times apparently.
Athena isn't a misogynist, I hate this myth cherry picking to portray her as misogynist and using logics that are inherently very misogynistic in itself. I can do this cherry picking of myths to portray her as a super feminist without any issues. The amount of confliction found to her 'misogynistic' take is insanely high and ignoring that is misogynistic in itself. Athena represent gender neutral wisdom.
I didn't cherry pick myths. I picked the myths that are the majority image of her based over a wealth of resources. I study this subject. Misogyny is a modern concept, so you can't class them as misogynist, but she's not gender neutral, that's for sure. Sorry for ruining your perfect image of her - I still have a tattoo of her and she's still cool, but none of these deities are unproblematic
I am learning so much from your vids,thank you "goddess of the library " My only objection is about the "misogyny " and Kauffman 's description. Athena was mainly representing wisdom ,gender neutral wisdom.
Poets hates gods and philosophers love them. Most ancient pagans aren't as mythic literalistic like Jews and their offshoots. Plato mentioned in Republic that Homer should be banned.
The Greek associated Athena to wisdom, but I'd say she is more of a clever girl than a wise one. She's cunning, but not very deep. She's also a chronical liar and a back stabber. Not my favorite.
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An interesting combination of things she rules over: wisdom, knitting, crochet, and bayonets. 🤣. I love the timeline of the olive tree. Looking forward to the Arachne video!
I think we can't discount the fact that the most popular version of the myths of Medusa and Arachne were written by Ovid, a poet who is distinctly anti-authority (specifically anti-Augustus, which, honestly, Augustus had it coming) and also Roman
Even though she is The God of War, Athena used wisdom and initiative to win fights, instead of using ultra violence. She did NOT like fighting without a purpose truly worth fighting for. GREAT Goddess.
I've never seen this channel but you had me at "Ah, Athena..."
I don't think Ovid liked Athena much.
He didn't like any of the gods, because they represented the people in power to him at the time and Ovid had some… issues with the people in power
To be fair, as someone else said, he didn't like any of the gods. His work is quite famous for being god-bashing.
@@3ekaust some well deserved bashing too
Athena is the greatest!
Nice to see you here.
Hail Athena ❤ Forever
I always though it was very funny the story of how Athena was born, out of the head of Zeus and with a battle cry. I´m also a big fan of Saint Seiya since I was a kid so I know I´m gonna like this video. Greetings Lady! Hope everything is going well 😊.
AYY another Saint Seiya fan!
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She was also the daughter of the oceanid Métis who helped Zeus overthrow Kronos til he swallowed her because her children would over throw him
Wait... you're dyslexic, and you do all this stuff? Impressive. I hope you continue, and I wish you well. It's a good day when a video from Cinzia D comes up in my feed.
Yay! I’m so happy you included our Athena Parthenos here in Nashville!
Hail Athena!
Thanks for this wonderful presentation of a goddess I've always been interested in. A couple of cents from my part:
In the Theogony, the shape shifting between Metis and Zeus is not part of his pursuit of her but a contest he initiates as a way to trick her into turning into a fly so that he can swallow her.
The way I've always heard the word is "Hesp-PER-ih-deez".
In the "Iliad" it isn't Achilles who's disguised and whose appearance deceives Hector: while Hector is racing from Achilles around the walls of Troy, Athena herself turns into an image of Hector's friend Deiphobus. In this disguise, she convinces Hector that they can defeat Achilles. At the crucial moment, when he turns to Deiphobus for help, there's no one there. That's when he knows the gods have decided against him.
The way I've always heard the word is "You-MEN-ih-deez".
I'm wondering if the general modern trend of emphasizing Athena's dislike of women is over-stated: we should remember that while Athena is a goddess of war, she is also a goddess of feminine arts, notably weaving. In some versions of the story, she pits herself against Arachne because Arachne says her talent rivals Athena's, and Athena is far from the only deity who reacts badly when a mortal (or demi-mortal) decides they're as good as that deity is in a particular accomplishment. One of her earliest friendships was with a girl, Pallas. We should remember too, that the popular stories of both Medusa and Arachne are given to us by Ovid, a Roman poet writing much later than Homer, Hesiod and the Greek playwrighting trio; who calls his goddess Minerva, the Roman equivalent of Athena. In more ancient sources, Medusa is the mortal sister of three Gorgons, not relegated to that role by any deity.
I love the Greek myths -thank you for doing videos on Greek myths, they're so entertaining and well done!
Thanks for this super neat Athena video Cinzia!
I was just thinking about you yesterday, and you appear today.
@kallikrates_the_witch Nothing wrong with your taste. Brains,beauty and quite interesting videos
Excellent presentation, Cinzia! Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent video on Athena. Not your typical Greek goddess.
Absolutely love the different look Cinzia!
Great video as always, Athena’s epithet Pallas and the myth surrounding it is really interesting.
Book recommendation: Athene, image and energy by Ann Shearer
High quality content as ever. Thank you for sharing.
Much appreciated!
@@CinziaDuBois Can I start praying to her
Awesome video!!!
I've said this before and I'll say it again
Athena needs a Hug like Big Time.
I find Athena's unamed twin brother so facinating with him being foretold to be next ruler of the Olympians
Your videos are seriously among my favorites on all of TH-cam! Getting a notification that you’ve put out something new always makes me so excited ☺️ off topic but I don’t know if you watch Royalty Now but they just did a recreation of Helen of Troy the other day that I thought was great!
I have never heard of Royalty Now, but I shall investigate. thank you so much 😊
Thanks for the interesting video about Athena! She's got way more facets to her that I previously thought.
Then you should read a fanfic named Wisdom's revenge. I'm sure you will find it very interesting.
@@-Little-lily- Thank you! I've opened up a new tab for Wisdom's revenge and plan on reading it tonight
Athena was one of my favorite goddesses back when I got obsessed with Greek Mythology in 6th grade. My other faves were Artemis and Persephone. What's really interesting about Athena is that as wise as she was, she was still as fallible as the other gods in the Pantheon. She can be vengeful (in the case of everything that happened in the Trojan War) and petty (in the case of Arachne). Sometimes her good intentions lead to a bad outcome, in the case of Medusa.
And yet, she is still seriously cool.
She cursed and then had her decapitated and took her monstrous head to her armor, she was no friend to women……😊
@@benjaminacuna8013 I fucking love her for it....
This is Ovid's version. According to the greek mythology Athena never did anything wrong or unjust .
A collab between lady of the library and raven reads of any format would make my life!❤
Just fabulous, thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Actually, according to Legend, Athens / Athenai / Athena, the city took it's name FROM the Goddess and not the Goddess her name from the city. When the city was founded, both Athena and Poseidon contested each other to become their Patron God. Poseidon offered them some fine steeds, while Athena offered them the Olive Tree, so that way it's people would thrive and wouldn't hunger. The people decided to accept Athena's gift and make her their Patron Goddess, so named their city after her as well.
Non the less, great presentation my lady.
well, yes, according to the myth Athens is named after her, but that’s a fictional story. Historically speaking, it’s also likely Athena was named after Athens as the myth is an origin story of the city, and as such, the city had to exist first rather than the story of fictional gods fighting for the city. Lady Atana (Atānā Potniā) was known in the Mycenaean period, long before the city of Athens, but no one knows directly is Athena was established in that region before or after the name. it’s very much a chicken and egg situation. It is possible that Athens took the name from the goddess, but it is also possible that the goddess took her name from Athens.
@@CinziaDuBois @CinziaDuBois Of course, that's a fair point of view, by the the historical evidence stand. Indeed Athena and the majority of the Olympians were much more Ancient deities, probably originating in the Mycenean era and could have probably originated even further before in the Minoan civilization (Zeus being born and grown in Crete and being asociated with a Bull in many myths, which seems to have been a sacred animal in Minoan culture) .
However, the Mythic era of Greeks, is supposed to be taking place even before the Mycenean era, the time of great Heroes like Herakles and Theseus. If I recall correct, also from archaeological finds, there must have been a settlement in the Mycenean era that either was already or became Athens afterwards. Wether it was called Athens at that time or not that's a bit of a mystery. If I recall correct though, there is a passage in the Homeric Epics, the ship's catalogue. I have to check on that again to refresh my memory, but I am pretty sure that the Athenians send a few ships as well along with the other Achaean forces joining the war. If that's indeed correct, certainly the settlement of Athens was present in that era and possibly earlier than that.
Thanks for your response
@@CinziaDuBois Yes, Rhapsody B 545-555 Athens with their leader / king Menestheus sent 50 ships
@@CinziaDuBois lmao.. yes, humans name all gods.. how did ever work out for humans to piss off gods? we will surely allow them to name us.. humans are cattle..
I found your channel by accident and I like it. I struck gold.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Very interesting!.. In the stores I've known, Posidon is the one that holds the Clashing Rocks apart when Jason is threatened. I like this rendering better.👍🏾
I'm reading The Iliad right now and just yesterday I got to the part where Pallas Athena spears Ares in the crotch. I got lost a bit because of the in medias res start, so this was interesting context.
I think Athena is amazing and she gets a bad rep these days, which is a shame but sort of understandable. There was no mention of her link with Nike (the goddess not the trainers) and the rumour that they were a couple.
My black cat was named Athena.
There is a saying do not give the animals names from deities it is not good imagine if someone has a dog and named it jesus or Yahweh
@@FordMrson She was a great cat, and worthy of her name.
Minor correction: it was Macduff, not Duncan, who was 'not of woman born' in the 'Scottish play'.
you know after I bloody uploaded it I realised I made that mistake lol thanks
Damn, and here I was thinking Athena is cool 😢
Def very eye-opening video :3
Thank you.
I'm going to steer clear of Athena.... I'm too in love with her haha... Knowing me I'll be catching hands within the first week
Athena is the coolest goddess to ever come out of imagination.. or Zeus' head. If the Greek gods were real and I was completely sure; I'd definitely be one of her most fanatic followers and I do mean *fanatic.* Despite the red flags, I still think Athena is best girl.
How do you know They aren't real?
Oh good you fixed the thumbnail, I saw it yesterday but I didn't want that to be like the first comment.
Ah yes! no better cure for a headache than an axe to the head!!
Very nice.
Proud I found you on behalf of Athena ☺️
Loved every second of it, especially as a Greek mythology enthusiast...kinda killed my idea to get an Athena tattoo though lol
My Goddess.
Good stuff, Kiddo.
Tks Dear🙏
Love Athena
Athens still bears the name of it's patron goddess
Now so one on Dionysus.
Great video, thank you. I am not sure how deep Ovid's influence on the Archaea story was but I wonder if perception of Athena would be different without his post CE Roman Lit additions. I am looking for something to read on Athena's matriarchal origins in the Bronze Age if anyone had any recommendations.
Praying for the Apollo, The Sun that Never Sets. Or God of Boxing and Medicine video
Wow …thnkssss❤
Goddesses are so Goddessy and alluring, too?
What was the source you mentioned in the last section about Athena as a Cretan goddess? Something Kaufman?
Great video and I enjoy your work however, given that the Medusa being raped by Poseidon story is from Ovid, a later Latin writer than Homer plus there are other versions of the myth where Medusa was Poseidon's willing lover and still others where Athena never transformed her and she was always a Gorgon... Is this really something we can say pre-Roman Greeks believed of her? I'm not saying Ovid's work isn't valid for anyone who prefers that version of the myth but if we're looking at the beliefs of the pre-Latin Greeks can we really use him as a source?
I've also heard several versions of the Arachne myth, including one where Athene won and Arachne hung herself in despair only to be turned into a spider out of pity by Athena. Not sure which of those is the oldest.
That said, I really liked this video and want to say thank you for posting it!
I mean, yes, very good argument, though I would say we don't know if the depictions of her in the Greek texts were consensual. They may not have used the term violated as Ovid did, but in Hesiod's Theogony, he said, "Poseidon, he of the dark hair, lay with one of these [Gorgons], in a soft meadow and among spring flowers." The language is not explicitly violent but doesn't suggest consent.
People like to assume 'laying' together means it was consensual, but it can be read either way, especially considering the term. What we do have from this description by Hesiod is an allusion to the famed flowery Meadows, which in Greek mythology is dripping with sensuality and explicitly written about as a place of sexual allure. In most classic Greek mythology, women are seized upon the moment they step into the meadow because their being there and possibly picking flowers is read as an explicit sexual act. Such famed victims of the flowery meadow trope in Greek mythology are Persephone, Europa, Orithyeia, Helen (according to Euripedes' play), Kreousa, Io (in Aeschylus' Prometheus Bound) and a few more,
Greeks were often explicit with acts of consensual sex between mortals and gods. For example, Theophane, again described by Hesiod, was in love with Poseidon and is described as going down to the sea and pouring water on her vagina to mate with him. It would be interesting to examine why Hesiod was explicit when describing the sexual attraction and relation between Theophane and Poseidon but then more allusive with that between Medusa and Poseidon, saying he merely lay with her. Hesiod is very gentle concerning matters of force against women, such as describing Persephone as being 'carried off' rather than abducted. It would be a little too forgiving to ascribe consent to Hesiod's telling of Medusa's relation with Poseidon when he is explicit with the consent elsewhere. Whilst Ovid is responsible for today's more explicit discussion of Medusa's rape, he is not solely responsible for the wrath of Athena against women.
For example, the Greek poet Parthenius wrote explicitly of Athena's wrath against Alcinoe and Meropis. Similarly, Pseudo-Apollodorus explicitly states "Medusa was beheaded because of Athena, for they say the Gorgon had been willing to be compared with Athena in beauty" and that Athena guided Perseus' hand in her beheading.
So, I would say that, yes, Ovid is anti-authoritarian, but it's overly simplistic to give him so much credit to ascribe all the bad qualities of the gods, and then the story of Medusa's rape, to him. There are many allusions and suggestions built up over Greek myths for him to have gathered enough from many sources to formulate his own version of their myth: they certainly weren't plucked from the air.
@@CinziaDuBois those were good points that I was very unaware of and I want to say thank you for explaining that to me. I'm going to have to think about that.
Ovid did her dirty
please do one for gaia and danu plz 🙏🙏🙏
All the people who have had the activiation of the kundalini will be able (when their kundalini will be unblocked like mine) to provide the truth of Athena and her family.
athena is also the goddess who sends the demons to test you
no way the Oddysey would have worked if Athena had not petitioned Zeus for Penelope and Ulysius . this paved the way for strangers to help him get back home via hospitality .
How apropos that Princess Sophia (Wisdom) would save Athena's olive tree
His athina verjingodes geerk🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤❤❤❤
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I haven't watched the video yet, since I'm at work, so I don't know if this is an inside joke in the vid. Goddess seems to spelt Coddess in the thumbnail?
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The background music annoying.
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serious question: is there any female character in greek mythology that isn't r-worded at some point in their story?
Athena isn’t - Hephaestus attempts to but fails.
@@CinziaDuBois editing problem: I forgot to include failed attempts in my original question
Hestia wasn't but she did have a failed attempt on her.
Ones I'm not sure about: Circe, Medea, Andromeda, Rhea, Demeter.
hello everyone here i have a question for everyone here the question is last night i had a dream that i was on mount olympus with the the goddess athena and while I was there in my dream i was talkin to the goddess athena and one of the many thing that i say in that conversation with the goddess athena in my dream was that i said to the goddess athena was that i love her with all my heart and soul and right after i said that to the goddess athena in my dream a smile came on the face of the goddess athena and she gave me a kiss on my head and while that this was happening the space i was with the goddess athena on mount olympus in my dream did change in a space with a beautiful blue sky with golden clouds and a ground with more pink flowers than the eyes can see can anyone please tell me what this dream of mine is about the goddess can mean and what it may be trying to tell me
Athena is demot crasi godes
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Whilst I love what Athena stood for she usually in the myths behaved as such a pick me and enemy of women from what she did to Arachne and Medusa, to her attitude towards Aphrodite and Helen of Sparta. She always acted like a “not like other girls” trope of a goddess and the worst part is her mother Métis is almost always omitted from myth. She always seemed like such a confusing opposite to Ares especially when it came to the the fact that Enyo and Eris both functioned as better opposites to him. Even his daughter Harmonia seemed a better opposite. Athena seemed like just a way to create discourse between Athens and Sparta. She was has the same hubris as Zeus but he never views her as a threat cause she’s female furthering how the sexism of the her myths actually work against her.
If you studied Classics, why didn’t you learn Greek ?
because not everyone who studies classics learns Latin and Greek
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Certainly helps with understanding texts, you said as much in a previous video.
I know. But some of us are too stupid and dyslexic to learn langauges.
what athena did to Medusa was not a punishment. She grafted the basalisks to her head to protect her. Further, she was Zues's sister not his daughter, They were born from Gaia along with posiden, zues, hera and a few others. It was Athena who had the idea to cause cronos to have a headache.
The spartan culture was one of Athenas projects, and it did well for it's time.
Sadly Zues had a habbit of telling wild fantasies to his followers resulting it major perversions of the truth and attributing to the conflicting stories about them all, as his drunk arse could never keep his lies straight.
I will add that the reason so many genitals are found around Athens was Athenas request. She found it entertaining how is deflated misogynists and empowered women. Mostly our of humor, but it did prove helpful at times apparently.
No, I don’t think Ovid liked her much at all. Who’d have guessed Athena would be the first “pick me” girl?
he didn't like any of the gods.
Athena isn't a misogynist, I hate this myth cherry picking to portray her as misogynist and using logics that are inherently very misogynistic in itself.
I can do this cherry picking of myths to portray her as a super feminist without any issues.
The amount of confliction found to her 'misogynistic' take is insanely high and ignoring that is misogynistic in itself.
Athena represent gender neutral wisdom.
I didn't cherry pick myths. I picked the myths that are the majority image of her based over a wealth of resources. I study this subject. Misogyny is a modern concept, so you can't class them as misogynist, but she's not gender neutral, that's for sure. Sorry for ruining your perfect image of her - I still have a tattoo of her and she's still cool, but none of these deities are unproblematic
I am learning so much from your vids,thank you "goddess of the library "
My only objection is about the "misogyny " and Kauffman 's description. Athena was mainly representing wisdom ,gender neutral wisdom.
Poets hates gods and philosophers love them. Most ancient pagans aren't as mythic literalistic like Jews and their offshoots. Plato mentioned in Republic that Homer should be banned.
The Greek associated Athena to wisdom, but I'd say she is more of a clever girl than a wise one. She's cunning, but not very deep. She's also a chronical liar and a back stabber. Not my favorite.
Maybe，Athena is a castrated male...due to someone know that the prophet of Gaia is going to be honoured 100%.
Now so one on Dionysus.