The doctor wasn't mad at Harriet for defending the earth. He was mad that she blew up a surrendering force. He felt he had dealt with the situation as peacefully as he could. The aliens were leaving. And she still felt the need to blow them up.
The alien leader surrendered after the Doctor beat him in a duel, then tried to stab him from behind. The aliens could not be trusted to go away and not try for revenge. And the Doctor made no real attempt to make sure they'd stay away.
greenmonsterprod but at the same time, the earth blowing up a surrendering ship could set a bad example across the universe, an example some greater threat could feel the need to fix
@@braddsfx8921 Considering that, for a while, Earth was getting regularly attacked, I'd say we were already a target. And it still doesn't excuse the Doctor from changing history and refusing responsibility for the disasters that followed.
I’ve never really considered the doctor to be a hero. More a man who’s seen and done a considerable number of wrongdoing himself, as such he tries to prevent such things. For the longest time he believed he was responsible for the mass genocide of his race (until it was discovered he had trapped them in a pocket dimension) and as such tries to save other races to a certain extent. In a good man goes to war, Matt Smiths Doctor is told he’s a good man, he won’t break his rules and harm a villain. The doctor explains he’s not a good man. That good men don’t need rules and that it’s not a good idea to see why he has so many, and what happens if he breaks them.
Brandon Pearce The Doctor definitely doesn't see himself as a hero. He's really more of a fake it to you make it kinda guy. He trying to be better but he's ultimately just a dude who has a few extra tools at his disposal than the average earthling. The rules quote shows that, as does this one from 9 - "Because this is my life, Jackie. It's not fun, it's not smart, it's just standing up and making a decision because nobody else will."
I was kinda expecting like a 2million word essay so I was worried to click read more cause when I read something I have to like finish reading it unless it’s a book
8:07 the reason why The doctor didnt just time travel away is because the family of blood would have just followed him through time. If you had watched the episode you would know this. That is why the doctor went through all that
Although, I would still say The Doctor was the villain of the piece and it's framed as such. He's this eldritch alien who steals away our protagonist John Smith and dishes out torments in for punishment.
@@dawnmcauley6411 I'm not against the punishment. But John Smith was a prick to his assistant, treating her like a slave. I basically how he treated Martha should be on that list.
The Doctor's most prominent talent is a sort of charisma. Friendlies become family, bystanders become followers, enemies falter and fail. I think it many times goes on from that. Family makes the Doctor care and protect, followers make the Doctor lead to victory, faltering enemies make the Doctor push.
@@andrewvanoverloop2176 Yes. But this thing seems to be fairly constant (and it rather emerges from the show's conventions). As I understand it, the Sixth Doctor lacked this charisma, and he was apparently also hard to write.
The Doctor wasn't just angry at Harriet because she blew up the ship, it's because she blew it up after they had already surrendered and started to retreat. It is not hypocritic at all, the Doctor has always made a big deal out of offering his foes a chance to retreat before dealing out punishment and it makes absolute sense for him to be furious at someone for resorting to genocide after he had already came to a pacifist solution.
I wouldn’t call it genocide, it was one ship. I kind of have to agree with Harriet because the doctor isn’t always around and it’s her responsibility to keep earth safe. The Sycorax were a dangerous and technologically advanced race who attacked earth unprovoked. I wouldn’t let them leave our star system alive either because who knows if they would or wouldn’t come back with a larger force. This also tells other species that earth isn’t to be fucked with lightly. (Btw I’m partially playing devil’s advocate here because I keep switching from siding with the doctor and Harriet)
A pacifist solution that involved sending their murderous leader falling to his death. And then spitefully destroying Harriet's career and derailing the timeline for centuries to come, causing death and destruction. And he never accepted responsibility for this act. Nice going, Doc.
@@greenmonsterprod Did you hear what 10 said after he sent their leader plummeting to earth and the events that lead up to that? "no second chances" after he gave him a chance to surrender and he tried to attack 10. He also did deal with the consequences of derailing the time line, by fixing it, also how would he know changing that would cause the entire time line to change? He does it all the time because time in doctor who uses the theory that anything that you do to change the future will inevitably be the causation of it.
@@Tharja-iBW The Doctor didn't fix the timeline. Yes, he basically erased some, though not all, of Saxon's tenure, he still let Harriet Jones get tossed out in disgrace, leading to the "Children of Earth" matter, and wiping out the Golden Age that was supposed to happen. I get the feeling that if 10 had inadvertently caused the death of Abe Lincoln in 1850, he'd have just shrugged and said, "Oh, well. I'm sure Stephen Douglas will do OK in the White House."
@@greenmonsterprod Yeah and then he faces the consequences of those actions, they came back to bite him in the ass. Doctor Who works on a form of time travel to where everything was intended to end up that way and you can't change the way a time line works cause you create an alternate time line which do exist in doctor who.
For a channel dedicated to doctor who, you’d think you’d know that the family of bloody had stolen a vortex manipulator so they could follow him through time and space, he changed to a human to try and be kind. 🤦♂️
How to start Doctor Who: ( ) Know what's the TARDIS; ( ) Know who's the Doctor; ( ) Be able to say "Raxacoricusphallapatorius"; (X) Know who's Harriet Jones.
I think the “worst” things that he’s done makes him that more human to me. It makes him almost relatable when his passions control his logic and rationality. Therefore, making him a more likable “hero”.
Same. I've always enjoyed it most when the doctor displayed all of his years in a moment and was just done, and Capaldi's doctor was basically that but all the time.
Capaldi is my favourite as well, his run on the show is my favourtie in NuWho, and I couldn't agree more with OP's comment. I find him making clara choose as the #1 in this video a bit unfair; he let the women choose (and clara complaining was awful, after all, she's the one who kept asking to have a vote or a say in things.... But let's not pretend this episode wasn't really weak)
Makes me think of that time someone in the show said that doctor means different things on different planets depending on how he's affected them. There's a few that use "doctor" as warrior or "evil" from what I remember
I'd say what he did to Older Amy and Rory in The Girl Who Waited is the worst. He found his best friend having suffered decades of loneliness with nothing but very polite killer robots and an unhelpful computer for company and his response is to lie through his teeth to give her hope again while using Rory as an unwitting tool to do it so he can have the younger Amy back. I would've cheered if Rory had decked him again for that.
@@mrniceguy4183 Yeah it wouldn't, but he still decided that after learning his friend had been living alone fighting these polite robots for like 30 years to just lie through his teeth and manipulate her so that he can basically kill her and get the younger amy back, while using rory to accomplish that goal.
BigOceanMan yeah it’s messed up but his other options were to leave older Amy at that place for the rest of her life alone or have a chance of younger Amy not existing again , He deffo lied but it might of been the best thing to do , Felt sorry for Rory though.
It's a dick move but it's justified. Two Amy's couldn't co-exist in the TARDIS and if he took older Amy, younger Amy would endure a terrible fate. None of these options were good. At least Older Amy got wiped from existence so she wouldn't have to endure that fate.
@@joelmole3157 How is it justified? He lied to his friend instead of telling her they couldn't save her, but they could still save the younger her. Eventually it comes out after they tried to hide it from her to get her to go along with everything on the hope she'd survive. There's the possibility that she'd get really against the idea, but the alternative is to lie and manipulate your friend and her husband who you've been through a LOT of shit with together in order to get through the facility with a weaponized amy who can get them to the TARDIS and then take off without her so they can save young amy. If it's justified so he can save young amy, what is a life of his companions worth to The Doctor? Amy isn't Amy because she waited 36 years? That didn't stop Amelia from being Amy after the Doctor was 12 years late.
5:06 I’m pretty sure the 2nd Doctor was enjoying the END of the experiment in Evil of the Daleks because it was creating good Daleks with human emotions and tendencies rather then Jamie risking his life
Does this host know a thing about the show? Especially the Family of Blood story? Honestly, I love when Rich does a list because he often actually knows what he is talking about.
I'd actually say the Family of Blood thing is even worse given the fact that the hunans are just hosts, they would've had lives but were robbed of them, without the Doctor even trying to help them.
The people abducted as hosts were killed. But as Jessica Hynes's character essentially said, they wouldn't have been killed if the Doctor hadn't turned up there in the first place.
@@DanteCorwyn The thing I don't get is how the Doctor could've saved them. His Tardis was being attacked and he had to land somewhere. Anywhere where he landed would have killed some creatures or him.
@@scave6131 the Doctor could have stopped them at any time though. His idea of being merciful condemned four people to death who were taken as hosts, plus the people they killed.
"Tell me what I need to do again, and I'll smack you so hard you'll regenerate." Man! That needs to be a common occurrence when he gets too big for his breeches. At some point, on a grander scale. He needs to be faced with his hypocrisy, arrogance, and cowardice, and not by an enemy but a friend. And then his morality needs to regenerate.
I think thats exactly what did happen during the Clara/Capaldi first series, he changed from lovable Smith to crotchety Capaldi and Clara had to deal with his insensitivity and seflishness, she did threaten to throw all the TARDIS keys into the lava remember, he did get served some humble pie.
It's an iffy situation. The War Doctor is so names because he isn't The Doctor. It was controlled regeneration to produce a warrior near completely antithetical to our Doctor. He still maintained a portion of himself though, he only took that action to stop the Time Lords from doing something even worse. He has made less extreme actions but for much for petty reasons.
well, the time lords had been around so long they became a part of the way the universe works(parallel worlds, traveling between them, anyone remember that?) and the war between them was hurting the rest of the universe. it had to end, either in the daleks ded or them both ded. he chose the better one in the end when given the option.
Gotta remember these are things we are shown, the doctor has done worse. Like the 10th explains to Alfred, during the time war he did terrible things including mass murder; however he takes it further by explaining he got 'clever' and was able to trick others into taking their own lives as well.
Well, in his defence: Each regeneration he becomes a little different as he does basically refer to his past (And sometimes future) selves as completely different individuals I think living that many lives may rub off negatively on his psyche. Retcon's a strong word unless we are talking about the messed up 14th Doctor with the new show runner's complete screw up...
Expected you to mention The waters of Mars, I think that’s one of his lowest moments, deciding to selfishly take the power of controlling time into his own hands and ultimately forcing Brooke to commit suicide.
a proof of how whinny you people are. he can commit genocide or manipulate people to do it, but somehow that moment is the worst one, even though it's nothing he already hasn't done before (like saving those family in Pompei thanks to Donna) or how about such a crime being officially the thing which future companions are actually rewarded for.
I think the whole point is that the Doctor is far from perfect. He's a hero, but also an anti-hero and vigilante all wrapped up in one very complex being. He's brilliant and so experienced, but he wrestles with his conscience and makes some very wrong decisions, just like his favorite race (humans) do.
Hes even been a bit of a villain at times. Which makes sense. If you live for 1,000 years straight you'd have times where you're the best man alive and times where you're the absolute worst man alive. It makes the Doctor feel more real imo
@Malk Von Batshit If a human military general ordered a bombing on a retreating army, that would be considered a war crime, it should be the same for this example
I agree. I think that what Harriet did was wrong. She should have given them a chance to redeem themselves. A chance to never come back. I get that the doctor wasn’t there that one time but when it counted he showed. He told them to warn others. I think on some level what Harriet did made it worse. She didn’t let them go out into the universe and warn others but instead might have made humans out to be a great evil for shooting a fleeing ship
honestly that whole complain about Harriet Jones is funny. it wasn't like he literally conspired against her or even cared about what happens to her after that episode. he just said six words which normally doesn't mean anything to anyone and then left. Harriet just took it on another level cause no one was exactly thinking about disposing her because of what he said (again, because his words literally meant nothing) which means she actually ruined herself and if we consider all of this with the time the Master already starting to hypnotize everyone...
As far as Harriet Jones' downfall goes, don't forget, she was shooting a ship that was no longer a threat. They had essentially given up, and were, in fact, going to go warn the rest of the universe not to mess with earth.
Or more likely, they were going to get reinforcements and come back when the Doctor wasn't there. Jones was not prepared to take that chance. Was she right or wrong? Hm. Look at what happened when The 456 showed up.
@@WakenerOne If there was a risk of them gathering reinforcements to attack the planet again, don't you think destroying one of their ships might make them _more_ upset?
@@AstraIVagabond I think that knowing that we can blow them out of the sky without batting an eye and that we have the will to do so would make them less inclined to take the risk. There are plenty of softer targets out there. Bottom line is that we _can't_ be dependent on the Doctor for our interplanetary defenses. He's not always going to be here.
@@WakenerOne actually, shooting a retreating ship only shows everyone else that you are a species of murderers and must be taken down as fast as possible to prevent from getting stronger and eventually eliminating others.
@@NaNNaNNaNNaNNaN Except that the Sycorax attacked _us._ We didn't start the fight; we finished it. Jones demonstrated that we are not a soft target. Funny, how people want to defend the Sycorax, or say what a worse threat we probably made them by obliterating them with captured alien technology when - again - they attacked us without provocation, but nobody wants to criticize the Doctor when he blew up an entire legion of Cyberships before Demon's Run . . . when they were attacking NO ONE.
They didnt leave the planet they became geurilla fighters if you watch Genesis of the Daleks they arent pacifists theyre in a war with the daleks, which was visited again during Capaldi's run when he returns to Skaro and unwittingly saves a young Davros caught in a minefield.
I am going with the time The Doctor might have caused the death of Vincent Van Gogh. Hear me out. In Vincent and The Doctor the Doc runs into Vincent and their adventure ends with the Doc taking Vincent to the future to see an art gallery to show Vincent that people do, or at least will love his work. Vincent breaks down in happiness and then the Doctor drops him back off in his time. This is not a good thing. Van Gogh suffered from psychotic episodes and delusions and though he worried about his mental stability he often neglected his physical health, did not eat properly and drank heavily. Remember the whole ear thing? So it is possible that he began to believe that his encounter with the Doctor was all in his head that it was all a lie and that none would ever like his work. He's depression deepens and then he kills himself. GOOD JOB DOCTOR!! ( Still an incredible episode!!!)
I think thats all highly hypothetical, obvioulsy the Doc had to drop him back home cos he dies in his own time in real life, what was he sposed to do travel around the universe with vincent van gogh just to delay his inevitable suicide?
Recently? Tennant hasnt returned to the role since he did Day of the Doctor 7 years ago, me thinks youre making that all up considering theyre all in lockdown now so nobody has been doing any acting....
You always somehow leave out that Solomn ejected an entire ship's worth of Silurians into space while they were in stasis, any time he comes up on a list.
The Doctor was left with no choice in dealing with the Family. They chased him throughout time & he couldn't lose them. In fact he was even willing to give up his life possibly forever & live out his life as a human. It was after this failed the Doctor realized he had no choice, but to deal with them. The fact that dealt with them so easily proves he did it not to protect himself, but the innocents caught in the crossfire. Also neither Clara nor the astronaut were the reason for him making them decide the fate of the moon. The reason was Clara's student who was with them. I know it is easy to miss, but the Doctor implies that she is not only destined to become President of the U.S., but one of the greatest world leaders in history. The Doctor is probably trying to guide her to fulfill her destiny. The reason he does this may be out of guilt over Harriet Jones, who he was forced to depose. In your video you left out 1 important fact about Harriet Jones. That is that the aliens were retreating when she had them destroyed. This is considered one of the worst war crimes. While it was necessary to depose Jones, the Doctor probably felt guilty about depriving Earth of a golden age. As a result the Doctor may want to guide Clara's student to ensure that she fulfills her destiny.
I'm honestly surprised that the whole of series 3 isn't on this list, to be honest. The way the Doctor treated Martha was horrendous. Even in their first proper adventure together when they visited Shakespeare, Martha had some very valid fears about being in that particular time period, but the Doctor completely brushes them aside. He doesn't stand up to Shakespeare when he openly and continuously flirts with her either. He constantly compares her to Rose, which I hated, saying how "she would know what to do". He overly glorifies Rose in Martha's face. Even when she saves the world and stands up to the Master, on her own, he doesn't say a single thank you.
I don't see how any of that is comparable to this list, murder, manipulation and torture are so much worse than his treatment of Martha, which was largely due to heartbreak His actions are not good nor excusable, but absolutely not on the same level as this list
The Doctor is not a good man, but he's a man trying to do his best and unfortunately for Martha she joined him after he had allowed himself to love again for the first time in far too many years to count and lost that. Believe me when you lose someone to circumstances out of anyone's control it stays with you and especially when its fresh you're just broken. His actions made total sense to me, it sucks for Martha but she chose to continue riding the train despite knowing the destination was nowhere good.
The mistake was having him fall in love with her in the first place. Had that not been the case he wouldn't have acted that way, or at least not to the extent that he did
Many years ago, a writer called Eric Saward, who was also script editor for Doctor Who said of The Doctor: "He does what's right. Not because it's good, or nice; he just does what's right." Doing something that may appear wrong, to ensure a long-term solution for a problem, can seem to be troubling, but, to quote Mr Spock, "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few." At the time of the events of 'Remembrance Of The Daleks', it was believed that the Thals had abandoned Skaro to the Daleks, or become extinct because of them. The Doctor had known for many years that, to defeat Fenric, Ingiger, and the Haemovores, he needed someone with him with unshakable faith, which was why he tested Ace so severely. Likewise, with Jamie, he had to have the most human 'human factor' to process the Daleks with. An angry, questioning Scotsman who has little idea of what is being done to him, is the ideal subject to produce a mental profile, which, when introduced into Daleks, will cause at least one of them to answer an order with the simple, but to Dalek civilisation, deadly, little word: "Why?"
The Family of Blood got exactly what they asked for. As the narration in the episode finale said, They wanted to live forever, and he made sure that they did. Be careful what you ask for. You might get it. As for "some inexplicable reason" - if you WATCHED the episodes, it was EXPLAINED. The Family would only live for 3 months, like mayflies, but they had gotten hold of a Vortex Manipulator, and could follow the Doctor anywhere and anywhen he went. Go back, watch both parts again - or for the first time.
"Good men don't need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many." I seriously LOVED that line. With that ONE line, with such an impeccable timing Moffat conveyed way more as to who the Doctor's character is, as opposed to Chibnall's 2 seasons of constant talk, talk, talk and more talk and somehow still managing to give near zero character development whether it be for the Doctor or the companions.
2:55 each new doctor has a slightly different personality and his action of removing genocidal leaders marked his change to an extremely anti-authoritarian doctor. This scene serves to demonstrate this change.
Wiping Donna's memory should have definitely made this list. She fully understood that the alternative was death, and was willing to accept that as opposed to going back to her old self. He did it anyway, ignoring her pleas. She deserved so much better.
2000 years in and the Doctor still risks with lives of his companions. Anyhow, that cut out scene with Brian, turned into a narrated story board, at the end of Amy's and Rory's ark is the most heart breaking thing I've ever seen.
Wissi W In Earth Shock when Adric dies the explosion of the freighter he’s on is what causes there extinction, the problem whit the statement that if adric had defused the bomb no extinction of the dinosaurs, then the dinosaurs stay the dominant species no room in the ecosystem for large mammals. So no apes no humans just the Silurian.
That’s fine I forget that I’m old enough to have got annoyed with Adric the first time. When a characters last word was ‘now I’ll never know if I was write’ . You just know the writers never wanted you to like him.
Exactly. Also the disasters mentioned, well, they were already a part of history... they kind of had to happen? Even if it turns out he did accidentally cause it.
I've always maintained that ALL of the incarnations of the Doctor have their dark sides to them; yes, even the "blessed" Fifth & Tenth. In "Planet of Fire" (where we meet Peri), the Fifth Doctor basically just stands there while the Master is cruelly immolated. As far as the Doctor was concerned or knew, the Master had no more lives left. He did nothing. Speaking of Peri and the Sixth Doctor trying to strangle her.... Remember, as the Fifth Doctor was about to regenerate, he said "It feels different this time." I think that explains why Six was acting manic, thinking Peri was a threat. Then, of course, Ten's the "no second chances" Doctor. We see an example of that when he destroys the Racnoss race in the center of the Earth. What a guy. Thank you for mentioning Harriet. She was right, as we learned. The Sycorax had already proven they weren't honorable, why would she trust the planet to these turds, HOPING that they'll keep their side of the bargain? I'm glad she blew their asses out of the sky.
hey Will, did you watch Human Nature/Family of Blood? the Doctor tried to run away but they latched on to the TARDIS in the time vortex. wherever he went, they were right with him. like Son of Mine says, they wanted to live forever so the Doctor made sure they did. he tried to avoid it/them but they pushed him. they got what they deserved
If you believe the Ghost Rider's Penance Stare inflicts the sins and misdeeds the victims committed tenfold (Even minor things like smacking someone as part of a prank being increased), then the Doctor may be the one to suffer the most out of any potential victim.
The doctor isn't a hero but he's not a villain as well. He does what he personally feels is right. Just like Peter Capoldi said, "I do it because it's kind!"
Slight difference between killing a hostile species and one that had already started retreating. Also, doesn't he literally call himself out on it in journey's end?
The Harriet Jones issue always bothered me. I still feel like had she not threatened the Doctor she wouldn't have been deposed. After she killed the retreating aliens she should have left well enough alone. Threatening the Doctor made her an active threat and that was when he uttered the chilliest words ever: "Don't you think she looks tired?"
Family of Blood episode: I always thought The Doctor fleeing to Earth instead of outright destroying The Family for the danger they posed was an incredibly selfish move. He knew the threat they posed to Earth if they found him and didn't even care what Martha would have to suffer through as well if he did it. It made for a gripping and heartbreaking two parter though. Heck I still bawl my eyes out for "John Smith" and the matron when I watch the last episode. Still, The Doctor has done worse.
I don't think it was nefarious for him to let Earth choose the fate of the moon. I mean Clare was becoming more and more like the Doctor. She even got to be the Doctor in Flatline or whatever that was called. Besides wasn't Harriet Jones that said the Doctor isn't always there? Why not let them choose their fate while he is there to help if need be? We always look up to the Doctor to make the tough choices. For a change we get to see him hesitate. We get to be the ones to choose. I think it's understandable that Clare got upset but it's not fair to the Doctor either. Why should he be responsible for yet another death? He had enough and let Clare choose along with Earth. Also, I think it helped the Doctor. They shouldered the responsibility so he could think clearly.
It was very on the nose because the Doctor spends all his time telling everyone what to do and all of a sudden he decides to step back and let them deal with the entire global situation since they had to consult all of earth about the moon's fate, it just made the Doc look like a shit for leaving them with the problem when usually his raison d etre is to help not leave others in dilemmas.
I thought this was the best move. Clara had been trying to dictate since Matt Smith what the Doctor did. Now, he finally let's her make the decision and she gets mad about it. This was something that was being led into almost from the beginning of the new series with Rose trying to stop him from killing the Dalek in "Dalek." Also, seems kind of hypocritical to me for the channel to say one of the worst things he did is retaliate for something humans did (Harriet destroying the Sycorax ship), and then another being allowing humans to make a decision.
@@rah-loranpernicus9763 The contradictions in Dr Who are as infinite as space and time itself, thats what happens when you have different producers creating the same show....
Because he wouldn't be responsible for another death. He knew what would happen that the egg cracking wouldn't affect the earth in any way. So if Clara chose wrong which they were about too they would have killed an innocent being. It wasn't a tough choice there was a right choice. And the doctor knew. Plus he's a alien with 2k plus years of experience. Shes a human with like 2 years of traveling with him maybe.
As a bit of a counterpoint to that, and forgive me if someone has mentioned this, there was actually a reason he made Humanity, or at least humans choose. 1) it's our planet, yes he's put a lot of work into it, but it's still OURS, our planet, our choice. 2) I think he wanted to know if we had grown up enough, especially Clara, to advance farther. I also don't think that even if the choice had gone the other way, that he'd actually have let it happen.
@@TheMariusDarkwolf yeh I get where he’s coming from it’s a fair rule it’s just to much pressure to put on his friend and a big risk. I actually think it’s rlly well executed
@@LibertyBridgeProductions too much? Possibly, but at a certain point, especially since there is a lot of responsibility for Clara a trial by fire kinda had to happen. She passed one, but Possibly failed the other
@@TheMariusDarkwolf well it carries over into the next episode where he shows her him making a difficult decision like that. Sometimes the only choices u got are bad ones but u still have to choose. It was his way of showing her that but it was the wrong way to show her. He does it the right way in the next episode. Honestly think it’s rlly interesting how kill the moon and mummy on the orient express follow on from each other in terms of themes and character development it’s done very well
The Doctor didn't have a choice in Pompeii. It was have Mt. Vesuvius explode and destroy Pompeii, or have the Pyroviles take over the world and convert humans into Pyroviles. And Donna agreed with him on his choice.
To be fair all of the natural disater ones had to happen to maintain time, if he didn't make the Pompeii volcano explode, then that seriously would of messed up time
Can't believe “the age of steel” didn't make it to this list. After accidentally breaking one cyberman's inhibitor, causing her immense pain, the doctor then decides that it's a good idea to destroy the rest of the cybermen the same way. He gave them back their humanity, made them go mad and literally self explode because they couldn’t even bear the pain. That is the most cruel way to destroy someone. I would honestly put it on top of that list because surely he could have thought of some other way to kill them. Just turn off their brains or something, man.
With the part about making Clara choose, I could argue that because the doctor can see the results of what will happen (this has been demonstrated before, perhaps he could see 2 outcomes. Perhaps making her make the decision was the only option that would turn out well.
He did give The Family of Blood a Second Chance that’s why he hid from them and They Proved that no matter what he did they would chase him and kill anyone who got in their way
Well, the girl of the family of blood was freed by Thirteen, as heard in a little audio play produced during the lookdown in the UK. I'd consider it canon🤷♂️
Pshh, the doctor himself admitted multiple times he is not a good man. He is no hero. Also the reason why his companions kept telling him "never travel alone" we know what timelords characters are like, thus why he always pick a younger (compare to his age) companion. And why he should always have one. Left alone, the doctor has potential to become one of the most feared villain like the master or even worst.
2:58 YOOOO! I watched the 10th Doctor Arc over and over before and never realised that he actual said the words! 😲 1Dont 2You 3Think 4She 5Looks 6Tired
Isn't it interesting that the Doctor that pops up on this list the most is the one that so many people list as their favourite? As for me personally? The clue is in my username.
In the human nature/family blood episodes he had to turn human to get rid of his time lord 'scent'. He also couldn't just use the TARDIS to escape the family because as stated in the episode they contained a "Time Agents Vortex Manipulator"
This list should come with a disclaimer of 'In the TV show', if the expanded universe was considered then the entire list would be what the 7th and 8th Doctors get up to in the New Adventures and Big Finish, and none of the ones listed here would even hit the top 50
well it doesnt need a disclaimer cos theyre not talking about expanded media, if you talked about expanded media youd be there all day, prime canon is the TV show, if it didnt happen in the TV show then it hasnt happened anywhere else then.
In the one where he kills Solomon, it was never the doctor that fired the missiles, he redirected them from the original target back to the man that fired them which would have done a lot more good than just letting them hit. I don't remember exactly what the missiles were targeting but I'm pretty sure the doctor saved a lot more lives turning the missiles back on solomon, especially in the long run.
Did we forget the time he made Maisie Williams's character truely immortal when she was not much older than 9. Only keeping the mental faculties of a human. Which forced her to never die and see all her loved ones age and die and she never does.
2:51 i get that argument, but the ship was already departing when it was destroyed. If they tried anything, i'd get it, but they didn't. They just fled. Edit: HOW IS THE FAMILY OF BLOOD THE 3RD WORST THING THE DOCTOR HAS DONE?! WHEN YA WATCH THAT EPISODE YA DON'T THINK "That's too far" YOU THINK "Tennant's doctor is badass" HE LITERALLY GAVE EM A CHANCE TO JUST DIE OFF SLOWLY, THEY BROUGHT THEIR OWN IMMORTALITY UMONG THEMSELVES!
The Doctor ran away from the family, because he needed to give them a chance to escape and die naturally. Ten said he gives no second chances... and those guys kept tracking him down to live forever. When they didn't listen, he had to punish them. Even the family says it...he escaped the first time because he was BEING KIND. And there are explanations...super clear ones for many of those moments.
I feel that more often than not we feel that the doctor should be a hero. However. For all intents and purposes, he is a war criminal. And as the great tenth said, "maybe we live for too long." Never call the doctor a hero. Because at the core of his being, he isn't. He's just very clever.
As a lover of pretty much all things Doctor Who, I choose to ignore “Kill the Moon” A lot of Season 8 is bad but that episode was the worst ever made imho. I get what it was trying to do; but it doesn’t work at all
Well, if you remember the 12th doctor, was asking himself the same?? Is he a good man?? Is he a hero?? And the answer doctor founds is no. He isn't. He's a good dalek. A mad man with a blue box but not a hero.
3:00 I personally think this shows how powerful he is that he can bring down the prime minister with just six words. Well I can't speak for everyone, but I know I couldn't do that.
and you and everyone else are forgetting one important fact the doctor is N OT human, he doesnt think like one, he doesnt have human mores, his companions keep him grounded, but he will never be truely like them
julie everett Yh but if he wasn’t guided and looked after and was lonely with just his decisions alone he would end up no different then the master maybe even more dangerous
It's heavily implied in "Family of Blood" that running away through time isn't really an option. They are also time travelers, and they have his scent, for lack of a better term. His retribution is pretty over the top. One of the things that he regularly reminds the viewers of is that he's not innately good; he has to work at it, and he has rules because he knows what he does if he breaks them.
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"Good men don't need rules and today is not the day to find out why I have so many."
I have wanted this as a tattoo for years but could never bring myself to do it
@@FallenPasha listen to the Mantis’s words
@@FallenPasha it’s time
I know I’ve heard this line and I can’t remember for certain which doctor said it! I’m sure it was either 10 or 12 but I can’t remember
@@jukeboxjammer2343funnily enough it was 11.
The doctor wasn't mad at Harriet for defending the earth. He was mad that she blew up a surrendering force. He felt he had dealt with the situation as peacefully as he could. The aliens were leaving. And she still felt the need to blow them up.
Someone just held a large part of the country hostage. She probably felt like she couldn't let slide
Also the idea is 'You don't do that. I do it so you don't have to.'
The alien leader surrendered after the Doctor beat him in a duel, then tried to stab him from behind. The aliens could not be trusted to go away and not try for revenge. And the Doctor made no real attempt to make sure they'd stay away.
greenmonsterprod but at the same time, the earth blowing up a surrendering ship could set a bad example across the universe, an example some greater threat could feel the need to fix
@@braddsfx8921 Considering that, for a while, Earth was getting regularly attacked, I'd say we were already a target. And it still doesn't excuse the Doctor from changing history and refusing responsibility for the disasters that followed.
I’ve never really considered the doctor to be a hero. More a man who’s seen and done a considerable number of wrongdoing himself, as such he tries to prevent such things. For the longest time he believed he was responsible for the mass genocide of his race (until it was discovered he had trapped them in a pocket dimension) and as such tries to save other races to a certain extent. In a good man goes to war, Matt Smiths Doctor is told he’s a good man, he won’t break his rules and harm a villain. The doctor explains he’s not a good man. That good men don’t need rules and that it’s not a good idea to see why he has so many, and what happens if he breaks them.
Brandon Pearce The Doctor definitely doesn't see himself as a hero. He's really more of a fake it to you make it kinda guy. He trying to be better but he's ultimately just a dude who has a few extra tools at his disposal than the average earthling. The rules quote shows that, as does this one from 9 - "Because this is my life, Jackie. It's not fun, it's not smart, it's just standing up and making a decision because nobody else will."
He's just a madman with a box. Or as Capaldi put it; an idiot. 😊
@@ninino86 A time/space travelling idiot, at that.
I was kinda expecting like a 2million word essay so I was worried to click read more cause when I read something I have to like finish reading it unless it’s a book
Bee_untidy 788 Umm cool story? Thanks for replying I guess? Lol?
8:07 the reason why The doctor didnt just time travel away is because the family of blood would have just followed him through time. If you had watched the episode you would know this. That is why the doctor went through all that
I was gonna type this until seeing this comment haha
Although, I would still say The Doctor was the villain of the piece and it's framed as such. He's this eldritch alien who steals away our protagonist John Smith and dishes out torments in for punishment.
And he decided he wanted to give them a chance. But they didnt take it
@@dawnmcauley6411 I'm not against the punishment. But John Smith was a prick to his assistant, treating her like a slave. I basically how he treated Martha should be on that list.
@@masterslayerable Which is weird because he said he'd never give anyone a second chance in his first episode against the Sycorax!
That time I bragged to Rory about tonguing Amy wasn’t my finest moment
Nice
I would love to see that episode
@@ultimatespiderman9962 Beginning of Season 5, Episode 6
@@mynameisvolatile9208 that's a weird name for a porn LoL
To be fair, you kissed Rory too. And his daughter....
The Doctor isn't a hero but a detached but well-meaning visitor.
The Doctor's most prominent talent is a sort of charisma. Friendlies become family, bystanders become followers, enemies falter and fail. I think it many times goes on from that. Family makes the Doctor care and protect, followers make the Doctor lead to victory, faltering enemies make the Doctor push.
Who ends up being worshipped as a hero anyway.
also the doctor doesn't stay the same with every life, with the changes from being reborn he has a new outlook.
@@andrewvanoverloop2176 Yes. But this thing seems to be fairly constant (and it rather emerges from the show's conventions). As I understand it, the Sixth Doctor lacked this charisma, and he was apparently also hard to write.
The doctor is definitely an antihero, Anti-villain at worst!!!!
the family of blood had a vortex manipulator so they were able to follow the doctor anywhere in time and space
Crude time travel....
The vortex manipulator isn't nearly as good and accurate as the TARDIS, and we know how fickle she can be!
The Doctor wasn't just angry at Harriet because she blew up the ship, it's because she blew it up after they had already surrendered and started to retreat. It is not hypocritic at all, the Doctor has always made a big deal out of offering his foes a chance to retreat before dealing out punishment and it makes absolute sense for him to be furious at someone for resorting to genocide after he had already came to a pacifist solution.
I wouldn’t call it genocide, it was one ship. I kind of have to agree with Harriet because the doctor isn’t always around and it’s her responsibility to keep earth safe. The Sycorax were a dangerous and technologically advanced race who attacked earth unprovoked. I wouldn’t let them leave our star system alive either because who knows if they would or wouldn’t come back with a larger force. This also tells other species that earth isn’t to be fucked with lightly. (Btw I’m partially playing devil’s advocate here because I keep switching from siding with the doctor and Harriet)
A pacifist solution that involved sending their murderous leader falling to his death. And then spitefully destroying Harriet's career and derailing the timeline for centuries to come, causing death and destruction. And he never accepted responsibility for this act. Nice going, Doc.
@@greenmonsterprod Did you hear what 10 said after he sent their leader plummeting to earth and the events that lead up to that?
"no second chances" after he gave him a chance to surrender and he tried to attack 10. He also did deal with the consequences of derailing the time line, by fixing it, also how would he know changing that would cause the entire time line to change? He does it all the time because time in doctor who uses the theory that anything that you do to change the future will inevitably be the causation of it.
@@Tharja-iBW The Doctor didn't fix the timeline. Yes, he basically erased some, though not all, of Saxon's tenure, he still let Harriet Jones get tossed out in disgrace, leading to the "Children of Earth" matter, and wiping out the Golden Age that was supposed to happen. I get the feeling that if 10 had inadvertently caused the death of Abe Lincoln in 1850, he'd have just shrugged and said, "Oh, well. I'm sure Stephen Douglas will do OK in the White House."
@@greenmonsterprod Yeah and then he faces the consequences of those actions, they came back to bite him in the ass.
Doctor Who works on a form of time travel to where everything was intended to end up that way and you can't change the way a time line works cause you create an alternate time line which do exist in doctor who.
For a channel dedicated to doctor who, you’d think you’d know that the family of bloody had stolen a vortex manipulator so they could follow him through time and space, he changed to a human to try and be kind. 🤦♂️
Ikr
How to start Doctor Who:
( ) Know what's the TARDIS;
( ) Know who's the Doctor;
( ) Be able to say "Raxacoricusphallapatorius";
(X) Know who's Harriet Jones.
Oh YES
"YES. WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE"
That was the first thing I knew when I was conscious for the first time in my life.
Lol, great list.
Raxacoricofallapatorius is great, even years after watching the episode it’s managed to be one of the few niche things I actually remember
I think the “worst” things that he’s done makes him that more human to me. It makes him almost relatable when his passions control his logic and rationality. Therefore, making him a more likable “hero”.
It's not about weather he's a good character just that the acts in themselves are bad
More "relatable," maybe. More "human?" Thinking like that leads into the trap that Lady Vastra warned Clara about.
Hot take, but Capaldis Doctor is my favorite because he was so dark. With David Tennants either tied with him for first place or second place.
I 100% agree
Yup. He was the experienced tired badass.
Same. I've always enjoyed it most when the doctor displayed all of his years in a moment and was just done, and Capaldi's doctor was basically that but all the time.
My favorite Capaldi line was also one of his first: 'I'm Scottish! I can complain about things!' Because I'M Scottish and I complain about things!
Capaldi is my favourite as well, his run on the show is my favourtie in NuWho, and I couldn't agree more with OP's comment. I find him making clara choose as the #1 in this video a bit unfair; he let the women choose (and clara complaining was awful, after all, she's the one who kept asking to have a vote or a say in things.... But let's not pretend this episode wasn't really weak)
I'd never call The Doctor a hero, I would say he is more of a vigilante.
He is superior i guess he has the power to override the silly little laws
Was going to write this as well. I've never seen his character as a hero, I mean he's literally described as a madman with a box.
He's an idiot with a box and a screwdriver. Helping out where he can.
He reminds me of Zangief's quote in Wreck it Ralph, but slightly altered.
You may be good guy, but that does not mean that you are good _guy_
Makes me think of that time someone in the show said that doctor means different things on different planets depending on how he's affected them. There's a few that use "doctor" as warrior or "evil" from what I remember
I'd say what he did to Older Amy and Rory in The Girl Who Waited is the worst.
He found his best friend having suffered decades of loneliness with nothing but very polite killer robots and an unhelpful computer for company and his response is to lie through his teeth to give her hope again while using Rory as an unwitting tool to do it so he can have the younger Amy back.
I would've cheered if Rory had decked him again for that.
Didn’t he say something wouldn’t work with the Tardis if both Amy’s was together ?
@@mrniceguy4183 Yeah it wouldn't, but he still decided that after learning his friend had been living alone fighting these polite robots for like 30 years to just lie through his teeth and manipulate her so that he can basically kill her and get the younger amy back, while using rory to accomplish that goal.
BigOceanMan yeah it’s messed up but his other options were to leave older Amy at that place for the rest of her life alone or have a chance of younger Amy not existing again , He deffo lied but it might of been the best thing to do , Felt sorry for Rory though.
It's a dick move but it's justified. Two Amy's couldn't co-exist in the TARDIS and if he took older Amy, younger Amy would endure a terrible fate. None of these options were good. At least Older Amy got wiped from existence so she wouldn't have to endure that fate.
@@joelmole3157 How is it justified? He lied to his friend instead of telling her they couldn't save her, but they could still save the younger her. Eventually it comes out after they tried to hide it from her to get her to go along with everything on the hope she'd survive. There's the possibility that she'd get really against the idea, but the alternative is to lie and manipulate your friend and her husband who you've been through a LOT of shit with together in order to get through the facility with a weaponized amy who can get them to the TARDIS and then take off without her so they can save young amy.
If it's justified so he can save young amy, what is a life of his companions worth to The Doctor? Amy isn't Amy because she waited 36 years? That didn't stop Amelia from being Amy after the Doctor was 12 years late.
"I'm not a good man. And I'm not a bad man. I am an idiot... With a box. Traveling. Helping out where I can"
5:06 I’m pretty sure the 2nd Doctor was enjoying the END of the experiment in Evil of the Daleks because it was creating good Daleks with human emotions and tendencies rather then Jamie risking his life
He probably didn't actually sit through Evil of the Daleks and just looked it up on the TARDIS wiki.
@@Jedi_Spartan then again, why wouldn't he? "Evil of the Daleks" was one of those TV stories that was lost in that fire in the 80s or 90s.
@@DoctorWhoKage because it’s a fantastic story and even the recon is worth watching?
You mean the old show already gave the daleks some depth before new who? I wish I could see that series, has it been junked or is it available?
alternative title: The Doctor learning how to be a good boy
Isn't that a children's book?
@@ultimatespiderman9962 i didn't know that
@@thespidercrafter8547 LoL that was a joke but hey 😉
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@@ultimatespiderman9962 oki well i hope you have a good day and keep safe
This video brings a whole new meaning to the "Hello I'm the doctor, basically... Run" quote
Oop. True
He said it for a reason. He knows exactly what he/she is capable of when pushed
@@lastat00293 yeah I know, t'was a joke
Oh fuck
Freaking love that line it's so boss it's like "yeah bitches I'm the Doctor, don't mess with me" love it gives me chills every time
Does this host know a thing about the show? Especially the Family of Blood story? Honestly, I love when Rich does a list because he often actually knows what he is talking about.
I'd actually say the Family of Blood thing is even worse given the fact that the hunans are just hosts, they would've had lives but were robbed of them, without the Doctor even trying to help them.
I took it away as the "hosts" were killed and the forms taken as skin suits. The Doctor couldn't have save them.
The people abducted as hosts were killed. But as Jessica Hynes's character essentially said, they wouldn't have been killed if the Doctor hadn't turned up there in the first place.
@@DanteCorwyn The thing I don't get is how the Doctor could've saved them. His Tardis was being attacked and he had to land somewhere. Anywhere where he landed would have killed some creatures or him.
I'd always assumed the humans died when they were taken over.
@@scave6131 the Doctor could have stopped them at any time though. His idea of being merciful condemned four people to death who were taken as hosts, plus the people they killed.
I know, he’s the best.
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"Tell me what I need to do again, and I'll smack you so hard you'll regenerate." Man! That needs to be a common occurrence when he gets too big for his breeches. At some point, on a grander scale. He needs to be faced with his hypocrisy, arrogance, and cowardice, and not by an enemy but a friend. And then his morality needs to regenerate.
But the first place? Maybe 25th to 30th. And that‘s the reason this channel got a dislike from me for the first time
@@alri1054 hatred makes them stronger
Ryan Green ‘Tell me what you knew Doctor or else I’ll smack you so hard you’ll regenerate’
@@obiwankenobi687 Hello there
I think thats exactly what did happen during the Clara/Capaldi first series, he changed from lovable Smith to crotchety Capaldi and Clara had to deal with his insensitivity and seflishness, she did threaten to throw all the TARDIS keys into the lava remember, he did get served some humble pie.
The Doctor isn't a hero or a vigilante, just a guy with a box, who will occasionally take on different roles.
Pretty sure the Time war genocide would’ve been his darkest moment?
It's an iffy situation. The War Doctor is so names because he isn't The Doctor. It was controlled regeneration to produce a warrior near completely antithetical to our Doctor. He still maintained a portion of himself though, he only took that action to stop the Time Lords from doing something even worse. He has made less extreme actions but for much for petty reasons.
not really because if he hadn't done that then the universe would be in danger
Also, he saved Gallifrey in the end. Yes, the Master destroyed it anyway but it's the thought that counts.
well, the time lords had been around so long they became a part of the way the universe works(parallel worlds, traveling between them, anyone remember that?) and the war between them was hurting the rest of the universe. it had to end, either in the daleks ded or them both ded. he chose the better one in the end when given the option.
@@val-bs1cq The double genocide because a greater threat is iffy. Genocide is wrong but he did it for the universe.
The doc cutting down the pm refers to thatcher, the “doesn’t she look tired” those words triggered the end of the first female pm
many people would thank anyone for ending thatcher tbf
Didn’t she order an attack on a fleeing alien race?
@@stephenthompson4912 Yep. The Doctor has never took too kindly to genocide.
“You either die young and be remembered as a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”
Gotta remember these are things we are shown, the doctor has done worse. Like the 10th explains to Alfred, during the time war he did terrible things including mass murder; however he takes it further by explaining he got 'clever' and was able to trick others into taking their own lives as well.
Well, in his defence: Each regeneration he becomes a little different as he does basically refer to his past (And sometimes future) selves as completely different individuals I think living that many lives may rub off negatively on his psyche.
Retcon's a strong word unless we are talking about the messed up 14th Doctor with the new show runner's complete screw up...
13 not 14, and dont start bringing all the twin Tennant war doctor crap in, we're talking about the standard line, its 13th.
Expected you to mention The waters of Mars, I think that’s one of his lowest moments, deciding to selfishly take the power of controlling time into his own hands and ultimately forcing Brooke to commit suicide.
yeah, this is his worst action for me, he did go too far
a proof of how whinny you people are. he can commit genocide or manipulate people to do it, but somehow that moment is the worst one, even though it's nothing he already hasn't done before (like saving those family in Pompei thanks to Donna) or how about such a crime being officially the thing which future companions are actually rewarded for.
"Don't worship me I'd make a very bad god" - The 9th Doctor
I think the whole point is that the Doctor is far from perfect. He's a hero, but also an anti-hero and vigilante all wrapped up in one very complex being. He's brilliant and so experienced, but he wrestles with his conscience and makes some very wrong decisions, just like his favorite race (humans) do.
Hes even been a bit of a villain at times.
Which makes sense. If you live for 1,000 years straight you'd have times where you're the best man alive and times where you're the absolute worst man alive.
It makes the Doctor feel more real imo
The Harriet Jones thing isn’t hypocritical - she killed them while they were already retreating which is why he was pissed.
@Malk Von Batshit If a human military general ordered a bombing on a retreating army, that would be considered a war crime, it should be the same for this example
I agree. I think that what Harriet did was wrong. She should have given them a chance to redeem themselves. A chance to never come back. I get that the doctor wasn’t there that one time but when it counted he showed. He told them to warn others. I think on some level what Harriet did made it worse. She didn’t let them go out into the universe and warn others but instead might have made humans out to be a great evil for shooting a fleeing ship
honestly that whole complain about Harriet Jones is funny. it wasn't like he literally conspired against her or even cared about what happens to her after that episode. he just said six words which normally doesn't mean anything to anyone and then left. Harriet just took it on another level cause no one was exactly thinking about disposing her because of what he said (again, because his words literally meant nothing) which means she actually ruined herself
and if we consider all of this with the time the Master already starting to hypnotize everyone...
As far as Harriet Jones' downfall goes, don't forget, she was shooting a ship that was no longer a threat. They had essentially given up, and were, in fact, going to go warn the rest of the universe not to mess with earth.
Or more likely, they were going to get reinforcements and come back when the Doctor wasn't there. Jones was not prepared to take that chance. Was she right or wrong? Hm. Look at what happened when The 456 showed up.
@@WakenerOne If there was a risk of them gathering reinforcements to attack the planet again, don't you think destroying one of their ships might make them _more_ upset?
@@AstraIVagabond I think that knowing that we can blow them out of the sky without batting an eye and that we have the will to do so would make them less inclined to take the risk. There are plenty of softer targets out there.
Bottom line is that we _can't_ be dependent on the Doctor for our interplanetary defenses. He's not always going to be here.
@@WakenerOne actually, shooting a retreating ship only shows everyone else that you are a species of murderers and must be taken down as fast as possible to prevent from getting stronger and eventually eliminating others.
@@NaNNaNNaNNaNNaN Except that the Sycorax attacked _us._ We didn't start the fight; we finished it. Jones demonstrated that we are not a soft target.
Funny, how people want to defend the Sycorax, or say what a worse threat we probably made them by obliterating them with captured alien technology when - again - they attacked us without provocation, but nobody wants to criticize the Doctor when he blew up an entire legion of Cyberships before Demon's Run . . . when they were attacking NO ONE.
1:00 Yes... he's done that a lot.
7:23 I think the Thals either all left the planet and/or got exterminated by the Daleks.
They didnt leave the planet they became geurilla fighters if you watch Genesis of the Daleks they arent pacifists theyre in a war with the daleks, which was visited again during Capaldi's run when he returns to Skaro and unwittingly saves a young Davros caught in a minefield.
I am going with the time The Doctor might have caused the death of Vincent Van Gogh. Hear me out. In Vincent and The Doctor the Doc runs into Vincent and their adventure ends with the Doc taking Vincent to the future to see an art gallery to show Vincent that people do, or at least will love his work. Vincent breaks down in happiness and then the Doctor drops him back off in his time. This is not a good thing. Van Gogh suffered from psychotic episodes and delusions and though he worried about his mental stability he often neglected his physical health, did not eat properly and drank heavily. Remember the whole ear thing? So it is possible that he began to believe that his encounter with the Doctor was all in his head that it was all a lie and that none would ever like his work. He's depression deepens and then he kills himself. GOOD JOB DOCTOR!! ( Still an incredible episode!!!)
or maybe it was that he drew the tardis exploding
It showed that he was already hallucinating (when he saw the night sky change), so I highly doubt it
I think thats all highly hypothetical, obvioulsy the Doc had to drop him back home cos he dies in his own time in real life, what was he sposed to do travel around the universe with vincent van gogh just to delay his inevitable suicide?
I would argue that he actively killed Cassandra: he made sure she got back without the moisturizer
Wasnt it her own responsibility to moisturise herself though if she wanted to live on in that form? Thats not the Doctor's fault.
For the family of blood they did recently write a short skit where the doctor releases the little girl and takes her home again
Links please?
So, The Doctor decided that a parasite that murdered a child and wore their corpse as a skinsuit didn't deserve to be punished? Hooray, such a hero
Recently? Tennant hasnt returned to the role since he did Day of the Doctor 7 years ago, me thinks youre making that all up considering theyre all in lockdown now so nobody has been doing any acting....
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You always somehow leave out that Solomn ejected an entire ship's worth of Silurians into space while they were in stasis, any time he comes up on a list.
The Doctor was left with no choice in dealing with the Family. They chased him throughout time & he couldn't lose them. In fact he was even willing to give up his life possibly forever & live out his life as a human. It was after this failed the Doctor realized he had no choice, but to deal with them. The fact that dealt with them so easily proves he did it not to protect himself, but the innocents caught in the crossfire.
Also neither Clara nor the astronaut were the reason for him making them decide the fate of the moon. The reason was Clara's student who was with them. I know it is easy to miss, but the Doctor implies that she is not only destined to become President of the U.S., but one of the greatest world leaders in history. The Doctor is probably trying to guide her to fulfill her destiny. The reason he does this may be out of guilt over Harriet Jones, who he was forced to depose. In your video you left out 1 important fact about Harriet Jones. That is that the aliens were retreating when she had them destroyed. This is considered one of the worst war crimes. While it was necessary to depose Jones, the Doctor probably felt guilty about depriving Earth of a golden age. As a result the Doctor may want to guide Clara's student to ensure that she fulfills her destiny.
Let’s see how the comments roast the host
I'm honestly surprised that the whole of series 3 isn't on this list, to be honest. The way the Doctor treated Martha was horrendous. Even in their first proper adventure together when they visited Shakespeare, Martha had some very valid fears about being in that particular time period, but the Doctor completely brushes them aside. He doesn't stand up to Shakespeare when he openly and continuously flirts with her either. He constantly compares her to Rose, which I hated, saying how "she would know what to do". He overly glorifies Rose in Martha's face. Even when she saves the world and stands up to the Master, on her own, he doesn't say a single thank you.
I hated, how the Doctor treated Martha. I felt so sorry for her.
I don't see how any of that is comparable to this list, murder, manipulation and torture are so much worse than his treatment of Martha, which was largely due to heartbreak
His actions are not good nor excusable, but absolutely not on the same level as this list
The Doctor is not a good man, but he's a man trying to do his best and unfortunately for Martha she joined him after he had allowed himself to love again for the first time in far too many years to count and lost that. Believe me when you lose someone to circumstances out of anyone's control it stays with you and especially when its fresh you're just broken. His actions made total sense to me, it sucks for Martha but she chose to continue riding the train despite knowing the destination was nowhere good.
The mistake was having him fall in love with her in the first place. Had that not been the case he wouldn't have acted that way, or at least not to the extent that he did
@@lastat00293 Falling in love is never a mistake my friend.
Many years ago, a writer called Eric Saward, who was also script editor for Doctor Who said of The Doctor:
"He does what's right. Not because it's good, or nice; he just does what's right." Doing something that may appear wrong, to ensure a long-term solution for a problem, can seem to be troubling, but, to quote Mr Spock,
"The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few."
At the time of the events of 'Remembrance Of The Daleks', it was believed that the Thals had abandoned Skaro to the Daleks, or become extinct because of them. The Doctor had known for many years that, to defeat Fenric, Ingiger, and the Haemovores, he needed someone with him with unshakable faith, which was why he tested Ace so severely. Likewise, with Jamie, he had to have the most human 'human factor' to process the Daleks with. An angry, questioning Scotsman who has little idea of what is being done to him, is the ideal subject to produce a mental profile, which, when introduced into Daleks, will cause at least one of them to answer an order with the simple, but to Dalek civilisation, deadly, little word: "Why?"
The Family of Blood got exactly what they asked for. As the narration in the episode finale said, They wanted to live forever, and he made sure that they did. Be careful what you ask for. You might get it. As for "some inexplicable reason" - if you WATCHED the episodes, it was EXPLAINED. The Family would only live for 3 months, like mayflies, but they had gotten hold of a Vortex Manipulator, and could follow the Doctor anywhere and anywhen he went. Go back, watch both parts again - or for the first time.
"Good men don't need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many."
I seriously LOVED that line. With that ONE line, with such an impeccable timing Moffat conveyed way more as to who the Doctor's character is, as opposed to Chibnall's 2 seasons of constant talk, talk, talk and more talk and somehow still managing to give near zero character development whether it be for the Doctor or the companions.
2:55 each new doctor has a slightly different personality and his action of removing genocidal leaders marked his change to an extremely anti-authoritarian doctor. This scene serves to demonstrate this change.
Wiping Donna's memory should have definitely made this list. She fully understood that the alternative was death, and was willing to accept that as opposed to going back to her old self. He did it anyway, ignoring her pleas. She deserved so much better.
Yes but that's cause she was his friend and he didn't want to see her die a lot of people would have the same
She would of died lmao.. wiping her memory was the best and only option
The Doctor is neither hero or villain. He or she is right at the middle, teetering on the line between good and evil.
When Matt let filch die he was starting his slip into darkness. There are ebs and flows in his emotions that cause him to react that way.
That’s Y I like Doctor Who, it shows that no heroes are perfect, unlike other movies and Tv shows, not to say they’re bad
2000 years in and the Doctor still risks with lives of his companions.
Anyhow, that cut out scene with Brian, turned into a narrated story board, at the end of Amy's and Rory's ark is the most heart breaking thing I've ever seen.
No you wouldn’t have had a pet triceratops. You would have never been. No mass extinctions of the Dinosaurs no room for humanity to evolve.
Im sorry what?
Wissi W In Earth Shock when Adric dies the explosion of the freighter he’s on is what causes there extinction, the problem whit the statement that if adric had defused the bomb no extinction of the dinosaurs, then the dinosaurs stay the dominant species no room in the ecosystem for large mammals. So no apes no humans just the Silurian.
@@Thetasigmaalpha oh okay its something that happened before newwho then, no wonder i have no idea what your talking about 😂
That’s fine I forget that I’m old enough to have got annoyed with Adric the first time. When a characters last word was ‘now I’ll never know if I was write’ . You just know the writers never wanted you to like him.
Exactly. Also the disasters mentioned, well, they were already a part of history... they kind of had to happen? Even if it turns out he did accidentally cause it.
I've always maintained that ALL of the incarnations of the Doctor have their dark sides to them; yes, even the "blessed" Fifth & Tenth.
In "Planet of Fire" (where we meet Peri), the Fifth Doctor basically just stands there while the Master is cruelly immolated. As far as the Doctor was concerned or knew, the Master had no more lives left. He did nothing.
Speaking of Peri and the Sixth Doctor trying to strangle her.... Remember, as the Fifth Doctor was about to regenerate, he said "It feels different this time." I think that explains why Six was acting manic, thinking Peri was a threat.
Then, of course, Ten's the "no second chances" Doctor. We see an example of that when he destroys the Racnoss race in the center of the Earth. What a guy.
Thank you for mentioning Harriet. She was right, as we learned. The Sycorax had already proven they weren't honorable, why would she trust the planet to these turds, HOPING that they'll keep their side of the bargain? I'm glad she blew their asses out of the sky.
hey Will, did you watch Human Nature/Family of Blood? the Doctor tried to run away but they latched on to the TARDIS in the time vortex. wherever he went, they were right with him. like Son of Mine says, they wanted to live forever so the Doctor made sure they did. he tried to avoid it/them but they pushed him. they got what they deserved
If you believe the Ghost Rider's Penance Stare inflicts the sins and misdeeds the victims committed tenfold (Even minor things like smacking someone as part of a prank being increased), then the Doctor may be the one to suffer the most out of any potential victim.
I’ll tell you my darkest moment, it was leaving River after a few journeys, I’ll never get those years back.
@Atwven Manga What?
The doctor isn't a hero but he's not a villain as well. He does what he personally feels is right. Just like Peter Capoldi said, "I do it because it's kind!"
Slight difference between killing a hostile species and one that had already started retreating. Also, doesn't he literally call himself out on it in journey's end?
The Harriet Jones issue always bothered me. I still feel like had she not threatened the Doctor she wouldn't have been deposed. After she killed the retreating aliens she should have left well enough alone. Threatening the Doctor made her an active threat and that was when he uttered the chilliest words ever: "Don't you think she looks tired?"
Family of Blood episode: I always thought The Doctor fleeing to Earth instead of outright destroying The Family for the danger they posed was an incredibly selfish move.
He knew the threat they posed to Earth if they found him and didn't even care what Martha would have to suffer through as well if he did it.
It made for a gripping and heartbreaking two parter though.
Heck I still bawl my eyes out for "John Smith" and the matron when I watch the last episode.
Still, The Doctor has done worse.
ive literally never watched this show but i keep watching these for some reason
Obay The Doctor! 😂
Yaaaaaaaas
I don't think it was nefarious for him to let Earth choose the fate of the moon. I mean Clare was becoming more and more like the Doctor. She even got to be the Doctor in Flatline or whatever that was called. Besides wasn't Harriet Jones that said the Doctor isn't always there? Why not let them choose their fate while he is there to help if need be?
We always look up to the Doctor to make the tough choices. For a change we get to see him hesitate. We get to be the ones to choose. I think it's understandable that Clare got upset but it's not fair to the Doctor either. Why should he be responsible for yet another death? He had enough and let Clare choose along with Earth.
Also, I think it helped the Doctor. They shouldered the responsibility so he could think clearly.
It was very on the nose because the Doctor spends all his time telling everyone what to do and all of a sudden he decides to step back and let them deal with the entire global situation since they had to consult all of earth about the moon's fate, it just made the Doc look like a shit for leaving them with the problem when usually his raison d etre is to help not leave others in dilemmas.
I thought this was the best move. Clara had been trying to dictate since Matt Smith what the Doctor did. Now, he finally let's her make the decision and she gets mad about it. This was something that was being led into almost from the beginning of the new series with Rose trying to stop him from killing the Dalek in "Dalek."
Also, seems kind of hypocritical to me for the channel to say one of the worst things he did is retaliate for something humans did (Harriet destroying the Sycorax ship), and then another being allowing humans to make a decision.
@@rah-loranpernicus9763 The contradictions in Dr Who are as infinite as space and time itself, thats what happens when you have different producers creating the same show....
Because he wouldn't be responsible for another death. He knew what would happen that the egg cracking wouldn't affect the earth in any way. So if Clara chose wrong which they were about too they would have killed an innocent being. It wasn't a tough choice there was a right choice. And the doctor knew. Plus he's a alien with 2k plus years of experience. Shes a human with like 2 years of traveling with him maybe.
@@rah-loranpernicus9763 how are those rhe same thing?
Eleven is a killer in a fez and I think that makes him scarier cos he’s got this childlike energy but he’s totally down with murder
I loved it in kill the moon when he forced her to chose that’s a prime example of him going to far.
When he’s put in his place it’s great.
As a bit of a counterpoint to that, and forgive me if someone has mentioned this, there was actually a reason he made Humanity, or at least humans choose. 1) it's our planet, yes he's put a lot of work into it, but it's still OURS, our planet, our choice. 2) I think he wanted to know if we had grown up enough, especially Clara, to advance farther. I also don't think that even if the choice had gone the other way, that he'd actually have let it happen.
@@TheMariusDarkwolf yeh I get where he’s coming from it’s a fair rule it’s just to much pressure to put on his friend and a big risk. I actually think it’s rlly well executed
@@LibertyBridgeProductions too much? Possibly, but at a certain point, especially since there is a lot of responsibility for Clara a trial by fire kinda had to happen. She passed one, but Possibly failed the other
@@TheMariusDarkwolf well it carries over into the next episode where he shows her him making a difficult decision like that. Sometimes the only choices u got are bad ones but u still have to choose. It was his way of showing her that but it was the wrong way to show her. He does it the right way in the next episode. Honestly think it’s rlly interesting how kill the moon and mummy on the orient express follow on from each other in terms of themes and character development it’s done very well
The Doctor didn't have a choice in Pompeii. It was have Mt. Vesuvius explode and destroy Pompeii, or have the Pyroviles take over the world and convert humans into Pyroviles. And Donna agreed with him on his choice.
In The Doctor's own words: "New body, new rules."
To be fair all of the natural disater ones had to happen to maintain time, if he didn't make the Pompeii volcano explode, then that seriously would of messed up time
This entire video is just “waaaah that’s not what hero’s do waaaah”. Half of these aren’t even evil
Can't believe “the age of steel” didn't make it to this list. After accidentally breaking one cyberman's inhibitor, causing her immense pain, the doctor then decides that it's a good idea to destroy the rest of the cybermen the same way. He gave them back their humanity, made them go mad and literally self explode because they couldn’t even bear the pain. That is the most cruel way to destroy someone. I would honestly put it on top of that list because surely he could have thought of some other way to kill them. Just turn off their brains or something, man.
One weakness of being a Timelord is Pride.
With the part about making Clara choose, I could argue that because the doctor can see the results of what will happen (this has been demonstrated before, perhaps he could see 2 outcomes. Perhaps making her make the decision was the only option that would turn out well.
The Doctor is simply a madman with a blue box!
He did give The Family of Blood a Second Chance that’s why he hid from them and They Proved that no matter what he did they would chase him and kill anyone who got in their way
Well, the girl of the family of blood was freed by Thirteen, as heard in a little audio play produced during the lookdown in the UK. I'd consider it canon🤷♂️
Pshh, the doctor himself admitted multiple times he is not a good man. He is no hero. Also the reason why his companions kept telling him "never travel alone" we know what timelords characters are like, thus why he always pick a younger (compare to his age) companion. And why he should always have one. Left alone, the doctor has potential to become one of the most feared villain like the master or even worst.
2:58 YOOOO! I watched the 10th Doctor Arc over and over before and never realised that he actual said the words! 😲
1Dont 2You 3Think 4She 5Looks 6Tired
Oof
“Ill have you know that as a doctor of execution, there is no line between executioner and doctor.” - says character I just made up to prove a point
Isn't it interesting that the Doctor that pops up on this list the most is the one that so many people list as their favourite? As for me personally? The clue is in my username.
I loved 9 10 and 11, but Capaldi linched it for me. I personally think he was fantastic
In the human nature/family blood episodes he had to turn human to get rid of his time lord 'scent'. He also couldn't just use the TARDIS to escape the family because as stated in the episode they contained a "Time Agents Vortex Manipulator"
This list should come with a disclaimer of 'In the TV show', if the expanded universe was considered then the entire list would be what the 7th and 8th Doctors get up to in the New Adventures and Big Finish, and none of the ones listed here would even hit the top 50
well it doesnt need a disclaimer cos theyre not talking about expanded media, if you talked about expanded media youd be there all day, prime canon is the TV show, if it didnt happen in the TV show then it hasnt happened anywhere else then.
In the Family of Blood, they were parasites that could have found him anywhere in time
We all just skipping past the “chonky cat” comment?
In the one where he kills Solomon, it was never the doctor that fired the missiles, he redirected them from the original target back to the man that fired them which would have done a lot more good than just letting them hit. I don't remember exactly what the missiles were targeting but I'm pretty sure the doctor saved a lot more lives turning the missiles back on solomon, especially in the long run.
I feel like they've done this list before.
Did we forget the time he made Maisie Williams's character truely immortal when she was not much older than 9. Only keeping the mental faculties of a human. Which forced her to never die and see all her loved ones age and die and she never does.
2:51 i get that argument, but the ship was already departing when it was destroyed. If they tried anything, i'd get it, but they didn't. They just fled.
Edit: HOW IS THE FAMILY OF BLOOD THE 3RD WORST THING THE DOCTOR HAS DONE?! WHEN YA WATCH THAT EPISODE YA DON'T THINK "That's too far" YOU THINK "Tennant's doctor is badass"
HE LITERALLY GAVE EM A CHANCE TO JUST DIE OFF SLOWLY, THEY BROUGHT THEIR OWN IMMORTALITY UMONG THEMSELVES!
The Doctor ran away from the family, because he needed to give them a chance to escape and die naturally. Ten said he gives no second chances... and those guys kept tracking him down to live forever. When they didn't listen, he had to punish them. Even the family says it...he escaped the first time because he was BEING KIND. And there are explanations...super clear ones for many of those moments.
The man who never would, except when mildly inconvenienced.
I feel that more often than not we feel that the doctor should be a hero. However. For all intents and purposes, he is a war criminal. And as the great tenth said, "maybe we live for too long." Never call the doctor a hero. Because at the core of his being, he isn't. He's just very clever.
As a lover of pretty much all things Doctor Who, I choose to ignore “Kill the Moon”
A lot of Season 8 is bad but that episode was the worst ever made imho.
I get what it was trying to do; but it doesn’t work at all
Ya at the literal very beginning of the episode he says they have his scent and he can’t escape anywhere or any when in the universe they go.
No mention of the genocide of the Raknoss? I'm surprised, that was one of his darkest moments
Especially considering he was that laser focused on murder that he would’ve died himself if Donna hadn’t stopped him
Remind me were the raknoss the spider people?
@@theyellowlightsaber3193 yep
so he was supposed to allow them create the apocalypse world which Donna saw in "Turn Left" I guess according to you
Well, if you remember the 12th doctor, was asking himself the same?? Is he a good man?? Is he a hero?? And the answer doctor founds is no. He isn't. He's a good dalek. A mad man with a blue box but not a hero.
11: Regenerating into Jodie Whittaker.
It was better than regenerating into Matt Smith
@@TempoKong Matt Smith was brilliant as the Doctor and unlike Whittaker, he made the effort to research the role.
@@LloydEWatson1983 No he was complete garbage as the Doctor
@@TempoKong yeah 11 is pretty crap compared to all the other Doctor's. Jodie is great but the writing is awful
@@friedfrog5002 Yeah but at least she hasn't played Mr. Clever in Nightmare in Silver
3:00 I personally think this shows how powerful he is that he can bring down the prime minister with just six words. Well I can't speak for everyone, but I know I couldn't do that.
If he didn’t have companions to guide him and keep him good showing him how to be human then he would go ended up evil
and you and everyone else are forgetting one important fact the doctor is N OT human, he doesnt think like one, he doesnt have human mores, his companions keep him grounded, but he will never be truely like them
julie everett Yh but if he wasn’t guided and looked after and was lonely with just his decisions alone he would end up no different then the master maybe even more dangerous
@@H4xri and I think I said that, he is NOT human but his companions do ground him
Because they do. He/She even knows this. They've made it pretty clear that's one of the reasons they very rarely travel alone
julie everett ik
It's heavily implied in "Family of Blood" that running away through time isn't really an option. They are also time travelers, and they have his scent, for lack of a better term.
His retribution is pretty over the top. One of the things that he regularly reminds the viewers of is that he's not innately good; he has to work at it, and he has rules because he knows what he does if he breaks them.
Pompeii was heart braking for him. He really struggled with it once he realised he was behind it.
He knew he had to do it as it had already happened
The Doctor had no choice.
@@danielwilliamson6180 i know that,
Aside from number 2 this is basically just my favourite doctor moments. I love it when he shows his inner bastard.
"Hi there I'm The Doctor!" 20 minutes later and all hell breaks loose. "Well now everybody that isn't main cast dies"
I thought the Sixth Doctor scaring two guards into falling in acid would’ve been here.
Sometimes the only choices you have are bad ones.
But you still have to choose