The lap joint quarter panel replacement on the Camaro is inexcusably bad and very unfortunate. It's the kind of Mickey Mouse stuff you see when a car is fixed at a collision repair shop rather than a proper restoration shop. Even without that flaw, the Camaro would not be worth anywhere near what the owner first thought. With modern cylinder heads it's not even an accurate ZL1 clone.
I would not give more than 35k for it. Would need roadster shop spec chassis, wheels, tyres, brakes, etc. to make it a drivers car. And there is the body work...the fender to door gape is insane
That poor guy got hosed. A riveted, bondo'd lap-joint quarter panel installation is a backyard hack repair. In a year the paint will be bubbling all along that seam. And if they did such a crap job on that, I wouldn't trust the rest of the car either.✌️❤️🙂🇨🇦
A car or anything for that matter is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. This gentleman's ZL-1 clone although clean, is hardly what a genuine one's worth. Colin should definitely know as he states, he had one. Besides the trunk/qtr.pnl. issue, that driver's side door gap looks off! The Porsche is another matter, alterations & modifications don't seem to matter much to buyers. This one's a definite 'Cannonball Run' vehicle.👍
Agreed. He didn't strike me as being super well informed, which means there is a good chance he overpaid by a wide margin. Also kinda strange that he initially referred to his car as a Camaro ZL1, and not a ZL1 clone. When talking about a car as unique as the ZL1, one should never try to pass a clone off as genuine even in casual conversation.
Really the VIN number tells you i6 or V8 on all 67-69 Camaros. However, X-codes in 69 and 4X codes in 67 can tell you on a trim tag which V8 it had. X-codes weren't even on LOS build cars in 69, so to say the trim tag is how you tell if it had a V8 is a bit misleading.
As much as I love a nice Camaro, I can't support that owner's price estimation for a ZL1 Clone, especially with the half-assed quarter panel job and modern-based motor. I also love to see period modifications still intact like on that Porsche 930 Turbo, amazing.
Same. Fender to door gap is bad and doesn't not match rear. That quarter problem is MAJOR!!!!!! Like almost, you'd be ripping someone off if you didn't tell them about that. Pop rivet or not, they should NOT be overlapped. and if it's a big dollar car, nothing but full OEM, NOS quarter should be used.
Colin this episode should have been MUCH LONGER. You could've spent a minimum of a half hour on that 930. That car is fantastic & the owner is a true driver. It'd be nice to see Magnus Walker do a video on that car. If the owner has multiple 911's, speak to Magnus & put him in touch with the owner. I'm sure Magnus could make an hour long video with him. PORSCHE 💜💜💜💜💜😍🤩 And I'll refrain from railing about that Camaro, other than to say, I feel bad for the owner & hopefully he didn't get ripped off when he bought it. IMHO $60k maximum 😢
I notice the 930 had Dealer plates on it. Does Tony own a car dealership and if so, why come to Colin (Hagarty) for an appraisal? BTW, love the show Colin!
Magnet to the panels? Dodgy builds are common on these types of car (classic us muscle) for a quick buck. I Would like to quote a german saying: Aussen Blank, Innen Krank. Just because it looks good, doesn't mean its good.
I hope the Camaro guy didn't pay too much for the car/restoration. The pop riveted quarter panels looks like something I did as a teenager. But the cars I did it to were garbage to begin with. And I wasn't trying to scam anyone with it
Personally I'd say that there's a man (The Porsche owner) that in his younger days "Did Some Deals" and never got caught. The 1980's were his era where he made a lot of illicit money. But then again maybe he's just the inventor of the Strawberry flavor syrup in a certain large manufacturers drink. LOL.
It's this guy's job to inspect vehicles and he uses his phone flashlight. It was probably still on from when he used it to read the menu at TGI Friday's.
Actually, Ben, I prefer Applebees. And I usually remember to turn the flashlight off- otherwise it really drains the battery when I don’t. Thanks for watching!
@@colincomer4566 great episode. I saw you use the same light as I do during the 930 segment, but I'm a youtube commenter and needed to make a disparaging remark as soon as I possibly could.
$240,000? Are you high? At least share what you are smoking buddy. It is a clone. Maybe $75,000. Ha, I agree with the evaluation. Purple Porsche? $125,000? 930 turbo... I would never pay that much, but for those stupid enough to buy those I can see it being worth that much.
It's a practice lifted from the race car community. The idea is that you rotate the tachometer so that the needle points straight up & down at 12 o'clock when you're at your max shift RPM. Not really sure why you'd bother to rotate the speedometer as seen here, though, as nobody uses a speedo when racing. It might just be because the steering wheel partially blocks the view of the speedo and rotating it allows the driver to see it better.
Close guys, but not quite there. It is an old race car practice. All dials were set so normal operating range would be straight up so the driver could identify any issue with a momentary glance at the panel rather than having to read each dial. Any dial not pointing straight up stands out as the problem instantly. I've also seen semis set up similarly, again for easy monitoring and instant trouble shooting.
Colin said something about owning a nr 18, can someone please explain that to me? And did he say that he sold it for $840.000? English is not my first language and he said it too fast and mumbled. I've played it five times but can't hear what he says. I need to know how close to the floor I shall drop my jaw.
That Camaro isn't worth more than 50k. People getting stupid about cars nowadays and how much they are worth.I have to disagree about the red color for any car...I really do dislike the red color. That would be enough to break a deal for me.
Clones are right up there alongside women with fake lips and breasts. Posers!! Fantastic car, but like all these stupid Yenko clones, what are you trying to prove?? Cool Porsche. Much rather have that
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The lap joint quarter panel replacement on the Camaro is inexcusably bad and very unfortunate. It's the kind of Mickey Mouse stuff you see when a car is fixed at a collision repair shop rather than a proper restoration shop. Even without that flaw, the Camaro would not be worth anywhere near what the owner first thought. With modern cylinder heads it's not even an accurate ZL1 clone.
I held those heads in my hands once . Good luck finding a pair today
@@stevemadak6255 Wow! How may set’s would you like?
Guy was out of his mind if he thought a clone ZL1 would be worth anywhere near $200K just based on engine alone!
I would not give more than 35k for it. Would need roadster shop spec chassis, wheels, tyres, brakes, etc. to make it a drivers car. And there is the body work...the fender to door gape is insane
It shows you some people are emotionally attached and out of touch.
I really like this show.
I wish we had it more often.
I love these videos especially when he uncovers things the owners didn’t even know about.
That poor guy got hosed. A riveted, bondo'd lap-joint quarter panel installation is a backyard hack repair. In a year the paint will be bubbling all along that seam. And if they did such a crap job on that, I wouldn't trust the rest of the car either.✌️❤️🙂🇨🇦
"Still driven in anger", I love it! That got me a chuckle
that 930 is beautiful
Andial were legendary back in the 70s. Doubt that a real Andial mod would ever have been a negative?
Great series. Seen them all now. We need more!
Favourite show on Hagerty, keep it up!
A car or anything for that matter is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. This gentleman's ZL-1 clone although clean, is hardly what a genuine one's worth. Colin should definitely know as he states, he had one. Besides the trunk/qtr.pnl. issue, that driver's side door gap looks off!
The Porsche is another matter, alterations & modifications don't seem to matter much to buyers. This one's a definite 'Cannonball Run' vehicle.👍
I enjoy seeing the overvalued cars as mush as the undervalued cars. Keep up the great content!
Be Driven in anger...lol...greatest slogan ever
I think that guy was genuinely very upset about the rivets in his trunk. Just got the feeling that isn’t what he paid for.
Agreed. He didn't strike me as being super well informed, which means there is a good chance he overpaid by a wide margin. Also kinda strange that he initially referred to his car as a Camaro ZL1, and not a ZL1 clone. When talking about a car as unique as the ZL1, one should never try to pass a clone off as genuine even in casual conversation.
That 930 is perfect for running the Silver State Classic. Quite romantic of Tony to give his Porsche a Valentine.
This show should be called " Old farts with cool cars"
Yeah but these cars are the cars old farts had when they where younger
Escorts in the 80s were a HUGE purchase. Worth it though 👍
I thought $60k for the clone max
Has anyone ever seen this guy pull a dip stick? 🤔
Yes is that what you say when he gets out of the clone that he say’s is a zl1?
Really the VIN number tells you i6 or V8 on all 67-69 Camaros. However, X-codes in 69 and 4X codes in 67 can tell you on a trim tag which V8 it had. X-codes weren't even on LOS build cars in 69, so to say the trim tag is how you tell if it had a V8 is a bit misleading.
As much as I love a nice Camaro, I can't support that owner's price estimation for a ZL1 Clone, especially with the half-assed quarter panel job and modern-based motor. I also love to see period modifications still intact like on that Porsche 930 Turbo, amazing.
The Antiques Road Show for cars.
Really enjoy these appraisal videos!
Dude thought it was worth $240k bc some shop ripped him off and he paid $199k for the clone camaro lol
The best show on Hagerty!
That camaro riveted together is worth $18k wholesale
I wouldn’t pay more than 40k for that Camaro. First order of business would be to replace a full 1/4 using a proper spot welder. To match factory.
Same. Fender to door gap is bad and doesn't not match rear. That quarter problem is MAJOR!!!!!! Like almost, you'd be ripping someone off if you didn't tell them about that. Pop rivet or not, they should NOT be overlapped. and if it's a big dollar car, nothing but full OEM, NOS quarter should be used.
Colin this episode should have been MUCH LONGER. You could've spent a minimum of a half hour on that 930.
That car is fantastic & the owner is a true driver. It'd be nice to see Magnus Walker do a video on that car.
If the owner has multiple 911's, speak to Magnus & put him in touch with the owner.
I'm sure Magnus could make an hour long video with him. PORSCHE 💜💜💜💜💜😍🤩
And I'll refrain from railing about that Camaro, other than to say, I feel bad for the owner & hopefully he didn't get ripped off when he bought it. IMHO $60k maximum 😢
LOL@240K homie smoked a lot of reefer in the 60's.
I notice the 930 had Dealer plates on it.
Does Tony own a car dealership and if so, why come to Colin (Hagarty) for an appraisal?
BTW, love the show Colin!
240k?!? For a car with an accident history that's absolutely wild.... I feel bad that he was probably hosed by a shop or got sold a shoddy resto job.
This feels like a Netflix show
Are you in a new building? I miss seeing all those other cars in the background.
Magnet to the panels? Dodgy builds are common on these types of car (classic us muscle) for a quick buck. I Would like to quote a german saying: Aussen Blank, Innen Krank. Just because it looks good, doesn't mean its good.
A car is only worth what somebody is willing to pay for it.
ZL1 clone is nuts!
I hope the Camaro guy didn't pay too much for the car/restoration. The pop riveted quarter panels looks like something I did as a teenager. But the cars I did it to were garbage to begin with. And I wasn't trying to scam anyone with it
Camaro Is whats called a keeper
Personally I'd say that there's a man (The Porsche owner) that in his younger days "Did Some Deals" and never got caught. The 1980's were his era where he made a lot of illicit money. But then again maybe he's just the inventor of the Strawberry flavor syrup in a certain large manufacturers drink. LOL.
That Porsche was beautiful. What was meant by Porsche is now using Andial?
Not too sure other than I know that Andial was sold lock stock and barrel to Porsche years ago
I bet this Porsche owner is a Barney the Dinosaur fan given the color
Makes me think of the deep space nine episode where the romulan finds out the data chip "is a fake!"
It is sad we didn't hear Camaro engine start.
Unusual that an owner under values the value of his car.
I haven't done an official tally, but so far it seems most owners on this show have underestimated the value of their cars.
haha id rotate the guages back and maybe paint it red eventually but that would be all
Both gorgeous cars!
That same 930 10 years ago would’ve struggled to get $45k
escort detectors haven't done much good since the 90s
What is up with the rear suspension on the Camaro ZL1?
It has aftermarket traction bars added. They were popular in the '70s & '80s.
@@ZeGermanHam It’s a poor-man’s solution to axle movement. And it’s terrible.
@@TML34 Yes, the struggles of leaf spring life.
@@ZeGermanHam thx!
What's hanging under the Camaro at 5:48 ?
Traction bars. They are non-original equipment, commonly used on leaf spring cars like the Camaro.
It's this guy's job to inspect vehicles and he uses his phone flashlight. It was probably still on from when he used it to read the menu at TGI Friday's.
If it works, why not...?
Actually, Ben, I prefer Applebees. And I usually remember to turn the flashlight off- otherwise it really drains the battery when I don’t. Thanks for watching!
@@colincomer4566 I am not sure you are the real Colin Comer. I hear he is a Sizzler guy...
@@ETsizzle if it’s a steak night it’s always Ponderosa. Top quality and no flashlight needed for the menu!
@@colincomer4566 great episode. I saw you use the same light as I do during the 930 segment, but I'm a youtube commenter and needed to make a disparaging remark as soon as I possibly could.
Very unfortunate about the 1/4 hack job .
No burnouts haha as any resposible good old boy would say 🤠☕🍻
First thing I thought when the owner said what he thought it was worth I said I'll give you 150k (whishing I had it type dollars)
As a car guy would you please let us hear the car.
That Porsche is nice 😎😎😎
Anyone know the colour of the 930? It looks like amaranth violet.
$240,000 for a clone???😂🤣🤣
$240,000? Are you high? At least share what you are smoking buddy. It is a clone. Maybe $75,000. Ha, I agree with the evaluation. Purple Porsche? $125,000? 930 turbo... I would never pay that much, but for those stupid enough to buy those I can see it being worth that much.
You sold it for what? 840k??
Can anyone tell me why the dials are rotated in these old P cars? Most of them seem to be
It's a practice lifted from the race car community. The idea is that you rotate the tachometer so that the needle points straight up & down at 12 o'clock when you're at your max shift RPM. Not really sure why you'd bother to rotate the speedometer as seen here, though, as nobody uses a speedo when racing. It might just be because the steering wheel partially blocks the view of the speedo and rotating it allows the driver to see it better.
Afaik, its for long high speed runs, like cannonball, where the average speed range should be in the most visible zone.
Close guys, but not quite there. It is an old race car practice. All dials were set so normal operating range would be straight up so the driver could identify any issue with a momentary glance at the panel rather than having to read each dial. Any dial not pointing straight up stands out as the problem instantly. I've also seen semis set up similarly, again for easy monitoring and instant trouble shooting.
I mean, that's basically what I said with regard to the tachometer. And I'll reiterate that race cars do not typically have speedometers.
@@derherr65
Thats what ZeGerman said.
I stand by my side too.
Porsche 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Colin said something about owning a nr 18, can someone please explain that to me? And did he say that he sold it for $840.000? English is not my first language and he said it too fast and mumbled. I've played it five times but can't hear what he says. I need to know how close to the floor I shall drop my jaw.
ZL-1 number 18 off the assembly line?
Yes, sorry, I owned ZL1 #18 (of the 69). I sold it for $840,000. Thanks for watching!
That Camaro isn't worth more than 50k. People getting stupid about cars nowadays and how much they are worth.I have to disagree about the red color for any car...I really do dislike the red color. That would be enough to break a deal for me.
Sweet Porsche, very sour Camaro
Sloppy amateur work on the Camaro. Even before "clone" was mentioned, I would have walked away and marked this guy off the list for prospective cars.
Clones are right up there alongside women with fake lips and breasts. Posers!! Fantastic car, but like all these stupid Yenko clones, what are you trying to prove??
Cool Porsche. Much rather have that