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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ค. 2024
- There's the great board games, the amazing ones, and then the ones you really hold dear to your heart. After creating a tier list containing dozens of games in my collection, ranging from The Resistance, Food Chain Magnate, Chaos in the Old World, and even Twilight Imperium 4, I've decided to sit down and really ponder over my top ten games of all time. Now with Gloomhaven and Catan added to choose from, this is the 2020 definitive list of Shelfside's Ashton's top 10 games he's ever played.
Ashton grew up watching a lot of the Dice Tower's Top 10 List, so there's certainly some inspiration from those videos in here. He's been collecting since late high school, and has definitely been in that BUY BUY BUY stage many times during his journey.
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Lol, I fell for the gloomhaven behind you the entire time.
so did I haha
Thanks for making these videos! It is always cool to hear your opinions on board games because I recently got into them! Keep making content my guy.
Can’t tell you how much I love your simplicity everything feels so organic and sincere
Great top ten man. I can tell it's an honest one because you didn't shy away from some titles that gamer snobs might consider to be "lightwieght" or "party" games. I also love Mansions of Madness and I might end up playing it today just because of you mentioning it. Also, awesome CaH dig - I see what you did there. :-)
It was fun hearing your voice trying to sound like Erick Summer"s from The Dice Tower. Nice video!
great video man, just what i was looking for, thanks a bunch
I recently started getting into board games (Gloomhaven was my gateway drug!) and I'm glad I stumbled upon your channel. Really enjoying your content and looking forward to more!
I've been playing boardgames as a hobby for two decades and just found this channel. What I find fascinating in this Top 10, is that he really doesn't care about how old or new games are. A lot of players, and that includes me, are drawn to the "new" things and here he comes, putting Tigris and Euphrates in his Top10 but at the same time he doesn't seem snobby/hipsterish about it all and has new games on the List as well.
There are many kinds of gamers and there is no right or wrong way, but I do admire how he doesn't care at all if a game has gotten dusty or has been iterated on by other games or isn't a looker.
Wow what a gateway hahaha
-Daniel
I love the count down you did. I didn’t want to laugh but I had too
I have seen a shit ton of boardgame top 10s and review videos, and I enjoyed your video. Props on Civilization the Board Game making it to the list. have you tried Knizia's Yellow & Yangtze? I have wanted to play Tigris and Euphrates for some time and considered buying Yellow & Yangtze.
Super interesting and fun list! DIED LAUGHING at the surprise appearance timing of Cards Against Humanity 😂
Immensily enjoying your vids! Keep em coming!
thanks sara! Feel free to check out my updated top 10, some changes have been made from this! -Ashton
I love lots of these choices but I’m lucky if I ever get one person to play because of my schedule. Would love to see a top ten solo and top ten two person game list!
We'd probably have to be at a different stage in our lives for that haha we pretty much exclusively play with our friends atm so I don't think we'd have the best input on that lol
-Daniel
Holy cow! I totally forgot about Last Word. Haven't played in a long time but have had a ton of fun with family and friends with it too.
Interesting list, thanks for the video
Great list, lovely channel, and your video work, style, and rising quality of thought is coming through with each new video. Thank you two for all the effort. Looking forward to the future of your channel :)
Out of interest, have you every played the Spartacus board game? We share a lot of similar tastes from this list, so I thought I might suggest it, it's one of my favourites.
Once again, good luck for the channel, looking forward to your next content.
thanks for the feedback! We have not gotten the chance to played the Spartacus board game! I really wanted to back in high school, but went out of print. Would love to give it a try!
@@Shelfside Absolute pleasure - you two have a special affinity for your production and it shows, so I look forward to seeing you both grow into the medium and critical stylistics of your particular punditry ;D
It is sad that Spartacus went out of print... although I'm jealous that you managed to snag the Horned Rat expansion for Chaos... mine is doomed to be a base game forever :P Hopefully the Spartacus reprint which is meant to be released soon will bring it back into stores and new shelves in homes; despite, what at first glance, looks to be much muted art, I hope its core is still in tact.
Once again, great stuff you two, and all the very best!
I'm so delighted to see you add Takenoko to the Top Ten! I adore it too. So much fun and laughter while playing it. A lot of reviewers dismiss it, so I always like to see it get the love I feel it deserves. I've been lucky enough to play the giant Collectors Edition at a convention, and it's gorgeous! I completely agree with you on BSG too. I bought the core game the week it launched in Ireland and played it TEN times in the first seven days. It became my most played game quickly and probably still stands at the top. I have tons and tons of hilarious stories associated with it. I too have all the expansions. You should google "Dynamic BSG Rulebook" for an incredible resource that makes adding expansion modules a breeze. I'd leave a link, but TH-cam doesn't like links in comments.
Finally, if you click through to my channel, I have my own to ten list I did a while back. Nothing professional, just for fun.
I'll have to have that Dynamic BSG Rulebook at hand for our next BSG playthroughs!
I see that you have Deep Sea Adventure in your top 10, which is awesome! Curious what your thoughts are on cosmic duel too, since you really like cosmic
Shelfside Alas, I have yet to try Cosmic Duel. I haven't bought any new games at all during the pandemic. Can't play what I have, don't need to add to the Shelf Of Aspiration for now. And yeah, I love Deep Sea Adventure. I have a special fondness for games that make me laugh while playing them. You'll note that many of my Top Ten can get silly or funny in some way.
Omg, love your humor!
BSG is one of my most played games. It is definitely the one that has the most wear and tear (good thing I have card sleeves!). It's also the only game that I don't mind that the cards have screen grabs, because the cards refer to actual plot elements from the show. Sadly, I haven't had a chance to play it in at least a couple of years. I miss it.
Tigris & Euphrates is in my top #5 as well - it’s an unbelievable game but tough to teach to beginners
Great channel. Love the vid. BSG is my #1 as well, just dont play it enough. I am huge Civ fan as well but never bothered with the boardgame for some reason.
When I found out about chaos about half a year ago, it definitely was nearly impossible to find.
Civ Rev is my favourite game of all time, I played it to death. It’s the reason why I fell in love with strategy and later board games.
I cried when I saw Battlestar Galactica. I came into the hobby too late, and as you said, it's now out of print and I'm not ready to mortgage the house to buy a copy.
But I live with the dream that one day, whoever owns the rights to the board game will come to their senses and do a Kickstarter campaign with a new expansion where you can get a pledge level as an all in and pickup the lot.
Only then I will be ready for the good Lord to take me home as my life will be complete having owned and played it.
fwiw, it's cheaper to buy a copy in spanish-which are in high circulation-, and place printed text in the sleeves
What the... awesome. Thanks!
Thanks for all the recommendations! I love me some BSG. Gonna pick some of these up for a friend currently on a board game binge.
That footage of Twilight Imperium looks like the box exploded all over the table. o_O
The randomnesses of combat is brutal in Chaos in the old world ... One of my friends in my gaming group had such but luck playing this game several years ago ... He kept rerolling and failing every single time even with the maxed amount of dice ... it was unbelievable and funny at the same time, but sadly out of frustration he resigned and promised never ever again to play this game again nor any other with dice combat ... and The chaos in the old world is a literally the reason why we now avoid any games with dice combat system unless dice are only used as a modifier to change outcome a little!
Hi @shelfside is it at all possible to get a top 10 board games with a 7 8 player expansion
For Dominion Expansions, I'd recommend Dark Ages, Empires, Adventures or Renaissance if you want something that has some significant changes. Renaissance is quite easy going, not too many big changes, Dark Ages has a lot of interesting things in it and Empires and Adventures do some interesting/weird things too. You should also play Seaside if you haven't already, if you've not seen Duration cards then you're going to love that
The Black Market Promo Card also creates some amazing games. Especially if you have every card in the black market deck
bruh do you play online? I like your recommendations
Empires lanmarks
Renaissance projects and hello recruiter?
Dark Ages trashing intereactions
Adenture travellers
are all amazing features
I personally would put seaside in there too just becaues of how iconic duration cards are. The new menagerie is very good as well and the ways introduce fun interactions
@@jacobmason3313 BM is perfect for online..not very suitable for IRL as it takes a bit too set up
@@jjliu4051 Yes, I have played a little online. Not much though, I have played more in the real world. Black Market works quite well in reality by using the deck of randomiser cards and then finding the card in the box when a card is bought from the deck.
@@jacobmason3313 haha yeah sounds likea great way to use BM. You are very lucky to have a group for dominion. I wish I had a group like that haha. It's very hard to find people in New Zealand who are interested in bg at all let alone dominion
Starting to Watch your channel some more, but dude.. your use of expressions is funny. The game blew you out of the water? 😂
You’ve never heard that before?
@@stevefratus1546 Yes, of course. But the context doesn't match the expression. Blowing something out of the water is like blowing someone's cover, or turning something not-well-known into something big! What he means is: it blew me away, it blew me off my feet.
EDIT: after researching it, it IS used correctly. It was just my impression of the saying (which is not correct) that blew me out of the water ;)
It can also mean: totally defeat or destroy something/someone. Which kinda happened to me, now.
We have the same number one. Such a good time.
If you can't get Battlestar Galactica, and you don't mind it being a non-IP theme, Dark Moon (and its essential expansion Shadow Corporation) is shorter and plays just like BSG, and both Dark Moon and Shadow Corporation are available on Amazon. Honestly I feel that with its expansion Dark Moon blows BSG out of the water.
I'd never heard of this game, but I just looked it up and I'm super interested now. Thanks!
Thanks for the heads up on Dark Moon. I hadn't heard of it and was disappointed that BSG was no more. Will look into it. 👍
um i have never even heard of sun goa shun, where did you buy it ?
Good stuff!! Thanks for the tips! :-) try Everdell or arcadia quest for fun!!
Yo I absolutely love Everdell lol no idea what Ashton thinks of it haha
-Daniel
oh man, the minute I saw the "Cards against humanity" I knew something was off XD
Nice top. I like BSG a lot!
Do you recommend the BSG expansions?
yes! Exodus fixes a lot of the weird pacing with the Cylon fleet, so I would recommend that one for sure. But you get all the characters if you buy all of them sooooo... why not? :) They are kinda pricey though now
There are good picks man! Some recommendations based on what you like (if you already played, no worries):
Heroes of Land Air and Sea - great civ game type game.
Star Realms - deck builder with a bit more theme. Only great with 2 people tho.
hey thanks for these! I actually really like Star Realms, played it on the computer a looooot. Really addicting. Heroes of Land Air and Sea I need to check out, I remember folks from the dice tower recommended it! Cheers! -Ashton
That Twilight imperium looks awesome, would love to have a party to learn and play with it.
If you ever get there, suuuuuper worth it holy crap that game is an whole new level of space opera experience
-Daniel
Check out Eclipse and choose between these two
One of my friends owns the game and I have been pushing him to play it some time, but he is the one complaining that it takes the entire day. >.> Isn't it supposed to be the other way around?
Man I am really looking forward to playing Civ now :) I played the computer game since it came out from Civ 1 to Civ 6 ...
I had the board game for so long now and I have not yet played it.
It is seriously really good. Will point out that combat can be slightly unbalanced without the Wisdom & Warfare expansion, but the gameplay still holds up. Oh, and also you may want to be careful playing Chinese first time around, they're SUPER good in base game haha.
Still my go-to true 4x! Use those nukes! -Ashton
My favorite games are ones that are lighter because it's easy to get others to play.
I saw what you did with the nukes and Gandhi there :P
Have you played yellow and yangtze which is the new version of T&E? Any thoughts on it?
One day all of the Kniza games will be mine!!!! So far just T&E for me.
Haha no surprise BSG is your #1 (same for me)! 2 Recommendations related to y’all’s love for Dominion and card games(i have a similar love for card games and dominion and both of these are in my top 20):
Puzzle Strike 3rd Edition
-dominion(deck-builder) but instead of cards there are poker chips which are your move-list to your character specific fighter going head-to-head in a gem-powered battle Tetris to see who can deliver the unholiest smack down. It's sweaty, exciting, and quick, and the forced-buy rule (where you _must_ buy a new chip every turn) really keeps the pressure on - none of this "buy two chips then sit on your haunches" crap.
Codex: Card-time-strategy(my number #3 game all-time) -(basically Warcraft/starcraft the card game) My love for Android Netrunner, Magic, and Yugioh is great but THIS game blew those out of the water for me personally. "Players each control three different heroes and have access to a tech tree that allows them to use different strategies each time they play.
The goal of the game is to destroy the opponent's base. To do this, players build up an army of units and heroes. Players determine the exact composition of their armies as they play by adding cards to their deck based on the tech they've chosen to pursue." Beware, though this game really is fairly easy to learn it has a LOT depth to it making it VERY hard to play with newcomers.
Both by same designer David Sirlin(which many don’t like as a person but he’s made some of the best board games that resonate with me out the near thousand that I have played and they are built for endless replayability, well balanced gameplay, and incredible depth)
Having watched nearly all your vids and realizing just how similar our tastes are I highly recommend giving these games a chance.
wow i'll have to mark those to play once this pandemic ends! The puzzle strike 3rd ed sounds EXACTLY up my alley, and I really can't go wrong playing card games so Codex sounds fun :) -Ashton
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9:16 I can vouch for this. Newcomers to Tigris and Euphrates definitely get crushed. Even though I am pretty good at most strategy games, I played Tigris and Euphrates one time against two guys who were already familiar with the game, and I did not enjoy the experience at all. I doubt that I'll ever play it again. It just left me feeling like a total gaming noob.
Might be wiser to get over it
@@arthursimsa9005 So sorry that you're butt-hurt that someone else doesn't like one of your favorite games. How about you.....get over it?
I've had my eye on Tigris and Euphrates for a while and now I'm trying to decide between that or Yellow and Yangtze. Have you had a chance to try out Y&Y? Thoughts on it vs T&E?
hey! Haven't tried out Y&Y at all. Don't get to even play T&E enough as is ahaha. Last time I checked Y&Y was pretty hard to buy, but if that isn't an issue, the consensus I've heard is that T&E is preferred. Maybe one day! -Ashton
@@Shelfside haha too true! Dang it does look like it's hard to buy. I just have to grab grab T&E then
That's an older Civilization game. What do you think of the more recent one, "A New Dawn"? Thanks!
My friend owns a copy, and I have yet to play it with him! Will have to give it a go after the virus settles down -Ashton
What is going on with the Gloomhaven box in the back there? Did you simply toss all the stuff in there, frustrated by the sorting? :D
That's my copy of Gloomhaven I'm scared with what he's done with it for filming purposes hahaha
-Daniel
Great shoutout to Dominion people should all give it a try especially the online version is so accessible and is free to play.
Battlestar Galactica is plain amazing indeed. Its fraking amazing. It deserve a number 1 spot indeed
I dont think so. Yes it si briliant game - but old design with ton of RNG elements.
I managed to find a copy of the base game of Battlestar Galactica. Are any of the expansions must buys? How would you rank them? Trying to decide if they are worth the money....
oooh! Awesome grab! I don't think any of them are MUST buys, but I would agree with many who would say Exodus is a really good expansion. It adds a cylon fleet board that really ups the tension, it makes it feel like the Cylon ships are always one step away from spawning in on Galactica. Careful though, once you buy one expansion its so tempting to just get them all -Ashton
Shelfside Haha thanks! I was randomly re-watching BSG when I stumbled upon this video. And after watching your TI4 review I knew I had to get the BSG board game :) So thank you!
Your BSG looks never used compared to mine LOL. I played like 100 or 200 games with my box.
DAAAAAMN! I just realized the fact that you speak CHINESE as you included Sanguosha in your list!!!
ahahaha... not well at all :) -ashton
wow, love for CIV. It's one of my favorite
just an amazing design honestly. With the two expansions, playthroughs just keep getting better, and my friends are hooked on it too! Will say that the zulu seem very underpowered though ;) -Ashton
Nice Gandhi nuke reference
Have you tried Civ New Dawn? I own it instead of the previous one
I have both games. It may not be as epic as the 2010 game, but it is a lot easier to get to the table, a lot shorter for one thing - and I love the moving tableau mechanic, where you have access to all of the terrain types which are above and to the left of the card you want to play and once you play it the card gets shifted all the way to the left again. This way, you can build up for the more expensive terrain type.
I’m new to your channel and I couldn’t miss the Gloomhaven in the back, could you tell me your opinion about the game and why it was not in your top 10?!
Yep ! I was so much expecting to see Gloomhaven in your top 10 !
I'm pretty sure he thinks it's too much for what it is haha. iirc correctly he wants more flavor and story stuff going on instead of super long combat encounters or something I dunno. For what it's worth it's definitely in my top ten haha
-Daniel
Wondering if you've tried the new Civilization game (A New Dawn) ?
i have yet to try it! It hasn't interested me too much initially, but one of my friends has it and I'll try it once this pandemic ends!
i'll take a look at twilight imperium. I was never interested because i knew it was good, but thought it was star wards theme (probably confused with other game), so that it's not star wars IP (i dont like it) was what i needed to check it out, hopefully my wallet won't suffer that much
I have been interested in buying Mansions of Madness but I primarily game solo. I bought Star Wars Imperial Assault to play solo and had a blast, my first campaign was 25 hours long and I still feel like I got my money's worth from that. I've heard Mansions of Madness is only 4 scenarios though, anyone care to chime in on the value of the game for a mostly solo player?
Have you guys at shelfside played Dead of Winter yet?
we have! Daniel owns the Longest Night expansion too! Maybe some thoughts on that soon :)
Oh yeah I hella like that game, I wouldn't say love, but definitely super like it
-Daniel
Any new updates to this list?
If anyone wants to see domino but with a dash 0f randomness I would recommend ascension. It’s one of my favorite games of all time.
Do you much prefer TI4 over TI3?
Yep, I had TI3 with one of the expansions before, and TI4 was just better for me!
Old guy suggestions-
Buy basic Squad Leader and its Cross of Iron expansion - from Avalon Hill, -Greatest war board-game, stay away from ASL
Get a copy of Divine Right- TSR.(costs $$) and War of the Ring- FantasyFlight.
Fortress America is good too,
nice! Will have to give those a look. Actually have wanted to buy fortress america for the longest time, it's just that my friends aren't so much into the theme -Ashton
Do have to say that although I love TI4 you definitely can* go wrong with that one haha. I actually use that game as the prime example of games that scare people away and it is the only game my wife hates because of just how long it is and how tragic things can go when you are so invested in it only to have everything blow up at the end. I enjoy the game a lot but it definitely is only for the intense board gamer crowd haha
I would agree, in hindsight, I realized that I have just gotten REALLY lucky that all of my friends I asked for TI4 enjoy long games to some degree. Could be because we all grew up playing computer games a lot ahaha. There are so many friends of mine that I can imagine not even wanting to play a game longer than 1.5 hours, so totally feel ya there. Fingers crossed to play PoK soon though :) -Ashton
Dominion cracked it. Its the first game where you can have fun while losing. Super relaxing game
agree man! I also find card shuffling very fun which helps x) -Ashton
You said dominion click with you after your 3rd game that seem kinda long to see if you would like a game or not wouldn’t u say so?..... with me dominion click right after my 3rd turn, I literally said “man, I’m in love with this game”...😁👍🏻
"I still get entertained whipping it out"
Civilization is a very good game, but the sequel Civilization: A New Dawn completely replaced it for me. In fact, that game is in my Top 10 games.
I was gonna comment 三國殺 is literally a ripoff of Bang! but thankfully you said it yourself lol
it doesn't change the fact it's a great game and has quite a lot of nuances and innovations going for it.
Do you know if they have a version in English? It seems really interesting.
Not quite a "literal ripoff" to be fair, the basic mechanics are the same but individual character abilities add a whole dimension beyond Bang! Like way beyond Bang!'s limited scope of strategy.
@@alexanderneimeth4538 Just get it on Amazon they have standard identity and war versions out although no expansions of yet.
BSG the show doesn't do BSG the board game justice. :P
Chaos in the old world was Root before Root. 4 different factions that play almost completely differently.
After your video I started to thinking about the CIV board game. Our taste in case of boardgames is really simiular, but i think the most important thing in a boardgame the player interaction. How much is the player interaction in case of CIV and what expansions are crucial?
Btw great channel, You guys deserve more followers!
There's typically tons of player interaction in CIV: First off the military victory possibility just makes everything exciting on the map. Then there's competing for barbarian/relic/hut objectives on the map.
But there's also tons of trading that can happen, and cards that provide bonuses to an ally as well! We've found that its pretty difficult to actually win without politicking in some way, because by using alliances you'll have access to a lot more resources. The Wisdom and Warfare one is crucial, but while you're at it, if you just pick up the other expansion you'll have access to all the races, and that just feels great :)
Shelfside Oh wow, thank you! I’ll look after it.
let me get that food chain magnate son.
Dang I love BSG. I don't have a big enough group to play it with. We'd be best friends.
You’ve played all 3,268,760 combinations of base set Dominion kingdoms but you’ve never tried Intrigue? It is time my friend.
Seeing Gloomhaven as a jumbled mess hurts a little. I love sorting it back into the box after playing.
Lmao it's not his game so he has no idea how to sort it we might make an instructional video where I'm telling him how to put it all back hahaha
-Daniel
@@Shelfside I would certainly watch that! 😂
I think civ game was taken from an old board game initially.
Liked your video and respect for toplisting 3 of my favs--sgs--dominion--and takenoko. I will definately give civ and last word a try they look so fun.
One thing is dominion gets exponentially more fun and difficult with each expansion and there are like 12 of them..and also there's an online version that's very cheap to play check it out if anyones interested dominion.games/
Civilization is all about who gets that nuke first then nuke on player for the sake of nuking, then the other players wins for kek.
Sanguosha you should buy the 2 heroes version of it (forgot what it's called in English). More balance (lots of op heroes are nerfed), more combo, and more fun. It's straight-up changed from king vs outlaw into 4 different factions (you never know if you're the majority or minority) and the card design is way better!
There are over 3.2 million combinations of cards in Dominion first edition haha and you've played them all???
If you haven't got around to trying more dominion expansions yet, I really recommend going for empires. All the cards in it are great, and it has some other neat things outside of just the cards including some alternative scoring conditions that can really make the game more interesting if you've played a lot of dominion already.
Crazy...
ghandi and his nukes :) never gets old
Mansions of Madness annoys the crap out of me. That final puzzle is so hard. Plus the monster minis with those bases just suck. Otherwise I do love it! There are tons of expansions too.
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Am I the only one really nervous about that phone being placed like that?
Sir I hope you read this...
Please play One Night Werewolf with your friends
I think i am resigned to the fact that I’ll never play TI4. Mainly, I don’t have a game group and friends aren’t gamers. It’s usually just me and gf.
So no Root huh?
He didnt really like root if you watch the review
Utter blasphemy if I do say so myself
-Daniel
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Noo! Not again! Don’t show off your Battlestar collection again 😭
Also does anybody have experience with those? I remember playing the Pegasus Expansion once and it was *weird*
its screaming my name to be let out and be on camera! The Exodus expansion is the best. Over the years I've fine tuned what exactly to use from each module so that you don't get weird situations with the funky new caprica part in Pegasus.
@@Shelfside Thanks for the info! I really wonder if I ever get my hands on the other expansions - or at least the exodus expansion! Fingers crossed!
I missed out on the base game of BSG. My councilor says I'm doing better these days.
Did you lipsync to your own voiceover?
wait there is a story in dominion ? really ?
TIL ITS R. KELLY NOT ARC. KELLY!
Эх, если бы я понимал тебя, было бы намного интересней. Придется учить английский язык
Oh man... I can’t speak chinese
so it turns out that there are some english versions that do exist if you look hard enough, another guy on my Tier list video said that he found an english version in Germany!
Shelfside I’ll try to find it. It looked cool!
i so hate the panda game, its so boring, and many people want to play it.
o god i hate dominion even more, so much more. there are so many many good and great deck builders out there. not dominion tho. it wins most bland game of all time, in the history of man.