Hilleberg Tent Sizing & Tips for Tall People
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- We are often asked how tall people will fit into various Hilleberg tents, and which models are the best choices. In this video, our own tall (6'6" or 2m) employee, Jon, shows you how he fits in some of our different tents and talks about how to choose the right model or models for you. He also shares tips that make his taller-in-a-tent life easier.
Hilleberg Tents shown:
Kaitum 2 GT - 1:54
Nallo 3 - 2:35
Allak 2 - 5:01
Akto - 5:52
Niak - 6:40
Tent tips for taller people - 7:16
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Photographer credits:
0:46 - Elias Kunosson/eliaskphoto.com
0:52 - sumi☆photo
3:38 - Halvor Eggen Petterssen
7:11 - Nicholas Cupaiuolo/nicholas-cupaiuolo.com
8:41 - Jon Dykes/Hilleberg Team - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
This is literally the most informative video on tents for tall people out there. Great work.
Great video. Thank you! I’m 6’3” and seeing you with your sleep system in these tents is a real help when it comes to choosing options.
What a great video! I'm 6'2 and I wish all tent makers would make a video like this for tall people. Its great to actually see a tall person in the tents. Thanks!
...and blantly lie about how comfotable the smallest models are.
@@TDubya811 Ive seen much worse tent sizes than this. Can u explain? what is comfortable for you?
At 6.7 I have a bad time shopping for cloth and equippment and I am usually rather limited in my choice. It's great that Hilleberg not only has equippment I can use but adresses this topic in this video.
Typical Hilleberg! Honest and concise . I appreciate this video.
IM 192cm tall and the UNNA fits me perfect well, plus a lot of Equipment usually carried along on a motorcycle tour. I, too have an 25 Year old an frequently used Nammatj 2 EX/GT which is still in perfect shape. Keep on your perfect work!
Excellent demonstration. Very helpful.
Thank you! Great video and answered my questions about me fitting in your tents.
This video was of great help. Thank you.
i always have trouble touching cloth! excellent tips!
I'm also 6"6' and find that I only ever fit in vertical walled tents. I have two tents that are supposedly 2.35m long for the inner tent, but with one sloping end and by the time you put a mattress down and sleeping bag I find you are touching both ends.
For a long time I was looking for a video which shows a tall person in the inside of these tents to get a feeling of size while sitting. Finally found! By the way I have the exact same size of Jon. It seems that the Keron line is just right for me. Thanks!
I am tall. I have Kaitum 2 and Niak. Great tents!
Brilliant video
Thanks for the excelent tips ... I am now doubting with wich tent i should for.
Great, honest videos. I would only add that most models can be vented effectively and Hilleberg has some nice features to help with this. Oh, they’re bomber too!
If they made an Akto & Soulo "XL" with a few cm more headroom and a 240cm interior tent , they'd sell like hotcakes
They do, it's called a nallo. If they increased the size of the akto anymore it would be very close to the weight of an nallo 2, then what is the point?
@@northernswedenstories1028 The Nallo is a complete different tent....
@@gerrit1961 the point is, if you made the akto any bigger,.it would be be very close to the weight of a nallo, which makes it pointless. HB have addressed such questions many times over the years. Just buy the bigger tent.
Fantastic video, our next tent will be a 3-person Hilleberg.
Even if not tall, the tip about use of rain jacket is great.
Great video, I am 1.92m and using Akto and Nallo3. Nallo3 is a better option than Nallo2 for taller people as 2p tent, with minimal weight difference. Thanks for the tip on pitching the footends of inner and outer tent separately of the Nallo, will try it out this summer. For the Akto, the headspace above the head when sleeping is a bit tight when sleeping on a thicker (7cm) mattress, as your face gets really close to the (sagging) innertent. But its possible to tighten the tent so that it does not touch your face, its just getting close and thus more like a comfort feeling issue. Anyway, I agree that both tents are really good for me as taller person. The golden tip is of course to use a packtowel, and wipe quickly the tent from condensation first thing getting out of your sleeping bag.
thx for this Hilleberg 🙏
Great vid exact what folk have been waiting for from hilleberg 👍
I own the Niak (summer) and Keron 3GT (winter) both are amazing. Super lightweight and quality all the way.
Not only tips for me as a long person but also anti condensation tips that is good for everyone.
I had an Allak for a few years and around 100 nights in different conditions. I was never really satisfied with the length even when I slept in it alone. Anf when it was windy it was even worse. I always had the inner tent in my face and my toes touching with a wet sleeping bag as a result. I am 190 cm.
All Hilleberg tents that I´ve tried are really good in quality and function except for length. 10 more cm would be great on a tent like Allak. Now I have the Kaitum 2 GT and 3 GT and those are fine thanks to the straight inner walls at the head and feet but they are heavy.
This video is misleading in my opinion. I hope Hilleberg will make a light tent for tall people sometime.
There hat been one some years ago, the Keron 3 kingsize. Straight inner walls and 230 cm. A pity it is discontinued.
Great video Mr Hilleburg, what make/model was the Balaklava you used?
Lovely!
Excellent
Tarra works great for me in winter
6'4"
I am over 2 m and use the Nallo GT for (two) when hiking alone with my dog or with a a friend. I don't have space issues because I don't sleep straight like I am laid out in a coffin!
Awesome thank you
I'm 6'8", and the Kaitum 2 GT is probably the one I'd pick. Unfortunately I don't have $1200 to spend on a tent right now
Very helpful video. 6ft8 here
Thank you! I can finally get a ten I fit I to (188cm/6ft2)
It's a massive point about the vertical walls and the shoe size. I'm 191cm, and I bough a tent with 215 inner space. But it was still way too small because the height tapers down to the end, so my head and toes both touch the inner tent walls. Not nice. Luckily it was a cheap one so I can now look for something more perfect.
This is a good video
Great video! What about the Jannu 2-person for tall people? I'm 6'3". Anyone my size or taller have experiences with fitting well (ie, head and feet not touching the inner walls) in the Jannu?
Thank you, Jon! At 6'4, 245 lbs, this is exactly the information I was looking for. Go Hilleberg! :-)
Thanks for this. I'm 6,4 but also very large (not fat) and need width aswell. Regards
This is a fantastic video. Very well done and very honest. I get this question all the time and I am 6 feet tall so it was great to have Jon give his height aspect. I will be sending many people to this video.
I disagree. Jon simply seems content with getting his legs and forehead wet. The rain jacket really compresses his bag's footbox. He doesn't even use a pillow. You can also clearly see him rubbing against the Allak's inner tent despite him saying he doesn't feel it, and has to carry a 575 gram bivy along with a tent that's just too short for him. Hilleberg tents are great, but there simply are hassle-free options for the taller folk. Vertical or very steep end walls get a thumbs up from me. 👍🏻
For sure there are tents that do fit taller people and accomplish what you are talking about, even in the Hilleberg line. Talking basic design and fabric theory though you can't find a tougher tent that weighs what they do. I have a Tarp tent, Big Agnes and REI tent that are great and fit tall pretty nice, are lighter, but I wouldn't trust them in winds over 40 mph without staying up all night, or having a snow load over 3 inches. And none of them shed water like the Kerlon although some of the fabrics are pretty great the first year, my Hilleberg gear holds its newness for more than a decade, which I can't say for the others. Lots of great tent manufacturers though. Jon doesn't use a pillow by the way...I do though.
Nature Calls Backpacking Go on then, name the Hilleberg one man, lightweight tents that best suit the ‘bigger’ man ? Lying on my front with feet stretched out and a sleeping bag over them makes the Unna too short. That’s a shame because I was desperate for it to fit. Will the Soulo be better, or do I need to move up the the 2 man 3kg beauties ?
I see what you are saying really. I personally like the Kaitum line and will take the added weight for the design. I have had a good experience with the Niak and Enan, but they are a lot like all my other tents and the end where the feet are. The Kaitum has that vertical wall. The Soulo is used by so many in the UK and they have no complaints, and some are tall guys. I have become pretty good at the set and working the ventilation of all tents. I have found that I put the feet to the leeward if I think there will be a lot of condensation. And I use all my guylines regardless. Going this week with a Naturehike Cloud 3, kind of a BA Fly Creek with a crossbar, and had to add lines and stakes to the kit already. Let me know more of you thoughts if you pick up something.
Nature Calls Backpacking Thanks, Bruce. Been watching your videos again this morning (UK) and must compliment you on your results. I already have a Keron 4 and it’s a fabulous tent, the best imho because of its width. On occasion, I will relocate one set of toggles to the end elastics (so two sets of toggles on one set of elastics) and the remaining toggles to the centre. This provides a massive vestibule for cooking and entertaining, dwarfing the vestibule on the GT whilst at the same time having separate and protected sleeping quarters for one. You can only do this with the Keron 4s.
Be good for you to show this on a Nature Calls video along with your ‘Kaitum trick’ of opening up the whole end of the Keron 4.
BTW, when we’re camped near the car, my wife insists on a portable loo for night use and that’ll fit in a vestibule. No good for the hill though. 🧝♀️
Back to tent sizing : I prefer to use an Exped Lite 30” mat and of the one man tents only the Unna will accommodate the width of the mat. ATB.
How does the gradient of the foot-end of the Nammatj compare to the Nallo?? Does the Nammatj have more effective foot room??
What I would be excited about is a Staika with two doors ! A vestibule each side …
I am 6’4” and used to have the Soulo but at 220cm, personally it was to cramped for me so I swapped it for the Unna at 230cm. Even the Unna can feel to short in length, I would love if Hilleberg made it 10cm longer. When I use it with the inner tent my bag always touches the ends creating a wet sleeping bag. I now have a customised bath tub groundsheet (by ookworks) which I use instead of the inner so the tent doesn’t feel so restrictive. But during summer months this option is not possible due to midges.
andrew rushton Thanks- this is just what I wanted to know. I am 6’4” as well and would love the Soulo to work but will go with the Allak to be safe
@@iangreatorex1821 alright mate? Just wondered how you was getting on with the allak? I’m 6’5 and considering the allak2
I'm 187 cm and I barely fit in the nallo 3gt, my feet will touch the dropping wall, or it will drop over my face (I always put some bags down in the corner to increase a bit the height), I love my tent, but I wish I had more lenght 20cm?
I am also 2 Meter tall and use the Hilleberg Rogen. It has 230cm space and i am very happy with it.
Kaitum looks good to me
Im 6,3 and love my Unna.
Hey Jon, nice vid! I love Hillies, they are the best tents made!
Question for you; which tent do you like the most for 2 people (me:5'10" and gf:5'6") mostly for stronger winds, longer thru-hikes and comfort. I live in Bend, OR when home and she lives in Finland. We will be doing a lot of Thru hikes in Northern Sweden, Norway and Finland this summer/fall. I pretty much know all the models and kinda have narrowed it down to Staika; but also considering Tarra, NG3GT, Kaitum or Allak 3. Thoughts? Also, for hiking longer distances and summer use (with wind and rain), which do you recommend? Niak? Rogan? Anaris? Thoughts?
Thanks!
Hello TheTrailDancer
The Staika is a great tent. Very comfortable and stable. If you were looking to have a lighter tent, for thru hikes, the Kaitum is another great option. It is an all-season tent so can handle nasty weather. It also has vertical inner tent walls, 2 vestibules, and 2 entrances for lots of comfort. Tunnel tents have the best space to weight ratio and that helps achieve comfort on long hikes.
For hiking longer distances and summer use with wind and rain, I really like the new Anaris. That is a trekking pole supported tent, so make sure to account for that, but it makes it very lightweight and there is lots of space for 2 people and gear as well.
You can also email us at tentmaker@hilleberg.com or give us a call to talk more details.
Hope that helps,
Jon
Ya the Anaris looks great! Looking forward to possibly getting one!!! I’ve set up nearly all of these tents and l love the Tarra, but it’s heavy. Free standing are nice and the Staika ticks so many boxes. However, the Kaitum GT is like a palace or the Kerons, but I don’t think I’ll ever use the full capabilities of the Keron. Petra recommended the NG3GT at a show I met her at, but the angled back wall is not my fav. 😬 thanks for your thoughts.
Could we see some pictures of you in the Unna ?
I don't know how you can say that you fit in all the tent-models, no problem, and then go on to show how you definitely don't fit in some of the most common models. By that logic you'd fit into any model of any maker as long as it has some flex to it.
I'm 187cm and narrowly fit in the Nallo 3GT, no idea how he does with hes length 2m
Good video, so everybody can make their own conclusions.
Just turn of the audio, it sais the opposite of what is shown in the video.
I have an Allak 3, on paper that is 230cm in lenght.
But, I am a side sleeper on a 9cm mat.
So I loose a lot of this 230cm in the height where I actually am in the tent.
I am 180cm but with the loft of the sleeping bag I touch the wall with the head and feet.
In the audio of this video it sais that is no problem, but it is a problem to me.
Since I use it only as a one person tent I sleep diagonally and that is fine.
Hi,
which tent is in the background 50 seconds into the film? Looks like a taller version of Saitaris or something cool like that.... Looks nice...
Hello Oskar. That is our Atlas tent. hilleberg.com/tent/blue-label-tents/atlas
Hello
I own the Niak and Allak.
But I want to ask you which sleeping bag you use!?
Great Video! Thank you!🙏
For the Nallo style, you can always sleep on an angle. If you are even taller there is always the Blue label tents.
I’m 6’3” like Rolf, but I have a freakishly long torso, so headroom is a big deal for me.
Tarptent Scarp 1 or 2 with the fully vertical ends for head and feet. Problem solved. And better venting than most if not all Hillebergs. Won't have any condensation issues.
The foot box of my sleeping bag always gets wet in my Anjan 2. This problem could be avoided by offering the tent with the optional mesh inner tent in place of the solid version.
how tall are you?
I’m 1.90m and tents like the Allak, with the sloping walls, are just to small. Still try out the tent before you buy!
thats why you need the allak2
How did you get the doorways to roll up and stay rolled on the Atko? i find the clipping points badly situated, if hey were more central they might work, or have two
Fold and gather the fabric toward the toggle. Then it will stay up better.
Hi Tom. We wanted to let you know that we just made a quick video where we show how to best roll the outer tent door on the Hilleberg Akto. Hope that helps. th-cam.com/video/x9avwXGwuPE/w-d-xo.html
Hi there.. I'm thinking of getting a Soulo.. But my concern is, that my sleeping pad is a wide... Is there room for a 64 cm wide pad?
Hello. According to the dimensions on our website, www.hilleberg.com/soulo, it looks like it is 1 cm short in the foot end of the tent. It would most likely fit, but maybe tight. Possibly a matter of personal preference and how snug the pad fits.
Why dont you just make a 1 person tent where us tall people can fit? I dont want to carry another extra 1kg of tent just to get 10cm more in ceiling height......
I‘m 6‘3“ and have no real problems with my akto. Sitting upright is not the most comfortable thing, but for me it works fine!
They are showing a 2m man fit 😅 maybe watch the video 😅
Hilleberg makes great Tents, sadly i need a Tent that fits inside a case on my Motorbike and it should not be longer than 40cm packed.
You should think about shorter poles for people who can not fit 50cm in their bags or cases.
Being 7 '1", always going to have issues finding good quality 4 season tents.
I'm not that tall (6'6") and I just take a 4-5 person tent that is about 240cm (8ft or so?) wide and sleep in it sideways. Not ultralight, but I'd rather carry a kilogramm more and actually sleep well.
Akto condensation, and general Hilleberg leaking water through the sewing though...
I had a red Hilleberg but got crazy from the color. It's way to intense inside. I now have a sand color which is very nice and neutral.
Thestripper red looks great from the outside though, but i agree with you with its affect on some people. i find green the best
Green is my Enan's tent color. I prefer greens/browns/greys that blend in with my surroundings.
,,,swamp gal here,,,,
Im not clear what the yellow, black ,orred lables ,mean ??
Hey swamp gal. Our "Labels" just help categorize our tents. It divides them into Black, Red, Yellow, or Blue, Labels, each representing a performance range based on materials, construction or both,. Such as all-season vs 3-season tents. Hope that helps clarify. You can learn more about it at hilleberg.com/about-our-tents/label-system/
My main issue is head height,most small two man tents are 90 cm inner tall,i need 115 cm tall
Closest to a tiny, 2 person, 4-season, tent at that height range is probably the MSR Advance Pro 2. It's a one trick pony, so there will be sacrifices.
Mld Trailstar
Its not my size its leaving expensive camera gear outside ..i got rid of my akto for that reason .
I wish Hilleberg made their 1 person tents a bit bigger, I'm 6ft 1" and can't sit up in their 1 person tents, also the vestibules are far, too small, and they need better ventilation.
That was a tall job
Simply build 10-15cm larger (inner)tents. Wont spend that amount of money for a tent where I have to use my rainjacket to prevent my sleeping bag getting wet.
PHD offer waterproof foot cover on sleeping bags
Don't like the strap at ground level across the porches, would be tripping on that all the time.
It is there to keep stress off the zippers and poles but if the tent is staked out properly around the perimeter you can remove it if you want. Just remember to reattach it before packing it away.
@@HillebergTentmaker Yes I figured it was a restraint strap, just don't like this. If its not required and you can stake out around the perimeter what's the point of having it.
Once it is pegged out properly around the perimeter the tension on the zippers and poles are gone, that is why they are no longer needed then if you don't want it there. But most people just leave it there since when the tent is set up nicely the strap is close to the ground and not really something you trip over. :)
@@HillebergTentmaker I understand, just don't see the need for it if you are going to peg out the tent anyway. Thanks for the clarification though.
He carries an extra 1lb 4oz Bivanorak with a tent?
is the unna a good choise for a 2 meter guy? why can´t you built a small tent for tall People? take my Money...
Yes, many tall people like the Unna since the inner tent is larger than in our other solo tents. It won't be as comfortable as the Kaitum but will give you more headroom than the Enan and Akto.
@@HillebergTentmaker thank you for the answer!
Can’t understand why Hilleberg design tents that only just fit the 6ft+ person. Jon seems happy to have his head and feet touching the ends of the tent where there’s moisture to contend with. That shouldn’t be necessary in a good design.
I notice that he doesn’t use a pillow which needs another 6” in length. Further, when there’s high winds on any tent it causes reduced length and touching the inner causing wet fabric and subsequently wet sleeping bags. The flappy nature of Hilleberg’s undersized tents causes the inners to be constantly impacting on one’s head, disturbing sleep. The chamfered end of the Nammatj makes wet bags unavoidable. Really disappointing.
Suggest you show more tent sizing videos with the Soulo and the Unna where Jon is using his backpack as a pillow. I’ve no idea why you skimp on tent lengths so much as it’s far more important to space to enjoy the accommodation rather being crammed in.
I have a Keron 4 and sold a Nammatj GT, so I do have some experience to base my opinions on. I’d like a Soulo, but having tried an Unna I suspect it’ll be too short. Great detailing and fabrics in all the tents and I’m a participating admirer and hopefully you’ll take my thoughts as constructive criticism.
Outdoor Layne Not if you’re using your backpack as a pillow, maybe. Do that at least 50% of the time myself. Point I’m trying to get over is everybody has always known that if you want a comfortable 1 man tent then you buy a two man tent. It’s not the floor size that matters, it’s 10”, 25cm, above the floor where your feet and head touch the curve of the tent. Deduct from that the 2”+ that the fabric reduces the space under the pressure of the wind. Just sayin’.
I use allak and this tent is solid as rock, so no deformation in high wind condition. I think if the guy line is properly settled, there are no inner tent mobility for hilleberg tent structure, even if outer tents screaming.
Park Kibeom There are many videos on TH-cam showing the amount of movement a strong wind causes the Allak. Be interesting to know how yours compares with those, or the Staika which should be less affected than the Allak, maybe.
@@Super.Quasar well ... in my experience, all the tents except me were shaking(hubba hubba, montbell stellaridge, blackdiamond highlight). Allak's outer tent panel were shaking very little, and pole&inner tent were solid like a rock. I pitches tent very carefully, especially outer tent peg position(raise tension as possible) and guy line angle - parallel to the pole line and raise lengh as possible
@@Super.Quasar th-cam.com/video/rLFa5aKFbaw/w-d-xo.html you can see that crazy wind makes little deformations on poles. If not hilleberg tent were on the video, the tent would not survive the weather.
Deutsche Beschriftung und englisches Video … das ist nicht Userfreundlich
Great, that's tall people taken care of. Can you do one for fat people? We do bring our own thermosisolation layer after all, so we're natural campers.
Can’t help concluding you’re not thinking of the older tall person with an aching back and legs liable to cramp, who no longer likes to crawl around to get A get in and out of sleeping bags, B get dressed, C maybe prepare a meal while bent double. That’s why I had to stop tenting.
Børge Ousland is 59 and recently crossed the North Pole during winter. Madlad. He used the Helsport Patagonia tent, which he designed, and also a chair. Hope that helps.
Every red hilleberg tent looks like german flag 🇩🇪
Wow Hilleberg the Tentmaker. What kind of magic tricks are these? A two meter tall person sleeps in a bag that is SHORTER than he is? No wonder he can magically fit in all of your tents.
Hello QCVT, this is Jon from Hilleberg. No magic trick, just personal preference. The Thermarest NeoAir Xlite sleeping pad, in Large, is listed as 77 in/196 cm long by 25 in/63 cm wide. I am 6'6" or 78 inches/198 cm. When I bought the NeoAir Xlite sleeping pad, I gave it a lot of thought. I tried it out and it fit me and what I wanted from that pad. I was looking for a very light sleeping pad that is good for side sleepers like myself. The NeoAir Xlite fit those needs, and it did not matter to me if it was an inch shorter than my exact same length because I do not sleep in a perfect statue position. So those are the dimensions of my sleeping system in the video and what I personally chose and use.
As for sleeping bag length, I have always used “long” versions, like in the video, and those are normally 77 or 78 inches /196 or 197 cm.
Also sleeping pad and bag length, like tent sizing, is a personal choice. Some ultralight hikers will use half-length sleeping pads that only cover their back/hips, or I know some people that will sleep in a smaller quilt and puffy jacket as opposed to a full-length sleeping bag for their entire body, again to save weight.
Hope that helps explain the measurements and why I chose what I did.
All the best,
Jon
If you’re making a guide for tents for big/tall people… you need to be thinking: “Comfortably accommodate Shaquille O’Neil.”
What he's not telling you is these tents are outlandishly expensive
Having things done by near-slaves (US prison labor, Chinese manufacturing, etc) will always be cheaper than paying workers a living wage.
Um, no. I'm 6'3". I want to be able to stand in the tent.
Too much money now and I love my hillebergs why are they so much now ? Greed ?
Tall? NOT! I'm 5'3"
This is TOTAL Bullshit. If you are over 6ft you are def going get wet feet in these smaller models unless you cover your feet with a bag. Top tip from Hilleberg: pretent your feet are dry in the morning. Let me correct that statement for you: Akto is not a good option for tall people and you will not enjoy using it go for a bigger model.
Plus I think we all know that turning up the footbox ain't gonna dry it out in cold wet conditions.
Hilleberg are good and all but they are a bit on the heavy side and are ridiculously bulky pack sizes. Go DCF and give us another 20cm length option.
Some of the ideas in this video would be fine if represented correctly. You can't say "I fit in this tent perfectly" when your head and feet push against the inner and outer and you need to put something on your head and feet. That's like saying: "I do fine without a tent, I just cover myself in a big nylon bag and pretend I'm comfortable".
There's nothing comfortable or "perfect fitting" when you're so stretched you push against both ends of the tent. With respect, when you're trying to argue otherwise with music that's supposed to be relaxing you're only successful at making yourself look stupid.
Do you sleep like a statue so you dont touch the tent inner with your legs or head? Without a pillow ar some stuff under your head ? Do you pitch arctic winter tent on the nice, flat grass? In reality you need at least 240cm of inner lenght to get comfy if you want to fit well. This review is worthless in smooth and shiny weather conditions.
6’6 isn’t very tall. It’s normal tall. 7’ is very tall.
Of course it is. 6ft6 is way above average human height in basically every region of the world.. so yes, it is tall.
I was expecting english with a hint of swedish accent,i'm disappointed🥴
I have the feeling this video is made to mislead people. If you are tall person and are looking for a lightweight one person (hiking) tent none of these will do! The so called tips only confirms this.
Our intentions are never to mislead anyone. We always try to be as honest and straight forward as we can with all information. This video was made to give some tips from Jon on how he uses the tents since he is very tall and he is out with different models all the time.
Your standards for tall & big are incorrect.
I’m so pissed. Size 13 is a big foot? BS.
Rip off tents lower the prices back down instead of being greedy
Try China instead
To call someone who’s 6’3” “tall” is absurd.