I have rarely found a tent size quoted as being nothing more than a guideline from the manufacturer. When I took my kids I bought a 3 man Coleman, cant remember which one, because in the showroom I stuffed my kids in to check the room, Husky also. Only tent that had the room but paid the price with the weight. I solo camp nowadays but use a so called 2 man for myself. I have a number of these, Hoolie 2, Terra Nova Voyager are roomy and have seen all UK storms in these. I do have smaller one man tents, Hilleberg solo (bring ear plugs), a great little one man Robens, and a Nemo1P ( 2 season, 3 at a push} I tend to use the single tents when bike packing. I also haver a Rab ridge raider for the odd night but tend to use it as an all season bivvy bag, (not for the claustrophobic). I am hoping my kids, now all adults, will buy their own tents, but if have to share will apply the "add 1" principle to the sizing.
Everytime when i pitch my Allak 2 I'm so happy. I like the look, I like the feel, I like the space I like everything but the weight. But it manageable after all.
Who doesn’t already know that you always subtract one person from the claimed amount? You should know that as an experienced person. I have the Allak 3 as a roomy one person tent. At most it’s a 2 person. If you want a 3 man tent, buy a four man tent at least.
I think this is a good rule of thumb but gets overused and oversimplifies the issue. My partner and I have always used 2 person tents and for us I would never consider a 3 person tent as it's just extra unnecessary weight where we already have loads of space. This rule I think works for freestanding tents with minimal porch areas as they tend to have sloping tent walls which makes the otherwise spacious footprint size in reality smaller. But even then certain designs could work, as stated in the video the 3 person msr was fine but the hilleberg wasn't. It really just comes down to the actual dimensions of the tent, though I do think different manufacturers seem to measure the size of a person differently so something one brand might consider a 2 person is actually a 3 person and vice versa - again it just comes down to the actual dimensions and how much volume the tent makes by the way the walls slope down. For other type tents like tunnel tents I would say this rule works less often. I have a 2 person hilleberg kaitum and for 2 people it is loads of room and is very long with vertical walls at either end and steep side walls. Here the 3 person would just be too big. Features of the tent can also negate this rule as my first tent was a 2 person Hubba Tour 2. With a big porch the size of the inner tent was less important. So yes, good rule of thumb but I think if that is the only way people pick tents I think a lot will come away with tents that are unnecessarily too big and thus heavy. But each to their own - if you want a large tent go for it :)
It funny i am been looking for a replacement for my msr tent same model you had .. i love that tent … but it very old now like 15 years i think so looking a t the Allan ..good info
Thanks for the input.i,m now looking at the fjallraven abisko dome 3.more room plus 2 lower side vents which if my girls are with me should reduce condensation.cheers mate.
thank you for this good video. I owned the msr access 2 and also the hilleberg allak 2. The Allak 2 was to small for me and my dog. The Msr Access is not a four season tent, that is my opinion for Swedish conditions not works. So now i use the Hilleberg Staika and i love this tent, but heavy 4 kg. Maybe the Kerron 3 fit 3 persons, but heavy 4,2 kg.
Thanks for sharing your experience with different tents! It's always helpful to hear from fellow campers and get their insights on gear. Happy camping!
Have over 100 nights in Hilleberg Allak 2 - perfect for kayak hiking, little heavy for long hikes, but solid, vel built tent. Used it for a four week car trip in Noway (Lofoten, Andøya) with two persons and a dog, no problem 😊
That sounds like an amazing adventure! The Hilleberg Allak 2 seems like a reliable tent for all your outdoor trips. I love Lofoten! Cannot wait to return!
I've experienced wind gusts on walks of around 120km/hr which was not fun (I was once lifted up and thrown a few meters in the wind). In the last 2 weeks here, we have seen power outages (some lasting 2 weeks) due to an immense front that crossed the island bringing winds of over 100km/hr to the cities and gusts of 200km/hr in exposed regions. I guess that's why they all it the 'Roaring Forties'
Sounds to me like you are complaining about nothing 🤷🏻♂️! Your biggest complaints are about the internal size and weight, yet you had all the specifications in the Hilleberg brochure and you still went ahead and bought the tent fully aware of this,…well that’s your mistake I’m afraid, you can’t really complain about it after the event because you made the wrong decision despite having all the relevant information. If you’re unsure about the internal dimensions of the tent, the best way to assess this is by using a roll of insulating tape and actually taping out the internal dimensions of the tent on your living room floor, then you can physically put down your sleeping mats in this area and make a judgement if the area provided will be big enough for you. Regarding the looseness of the fly sheet around the door area, at he base of the tent there is a webbing tape about 20mm wide from memory that joins the open sides at the door, this can be increased or decreased in length to get the correct tension on the door panel and zip, get this too long and the fly sheet door section will be loose and flap, if it’s too short this will put too much tension on the door zip, at best you won’t be able to close the zip easily, worst case scenario means you could break the zip. Did you try adjusting this webbing for correct tension?? People also get hung up about the weight of a tent and forget that the main consideration is total backpack weight, that’s what you have to carry, not just the tent, I’ve got the Allak 2 and I’m aware that I could easily get a tent at least a kilo lighter, but for me camping solo in this, it’s like a palace 😬 ….some people complain about the weight of Hilleberg tents but seem to forget about the six cans of beer they are also carrying 😂😂 I don’t take anything like that, my priority is in a decent strong tent that won’t let me down. There was actually nothing wrong with your Hilleberg tent ⛺️, just a case of operator error from what I can see 🤷🏻♂️?
Yep, correct. Like i stated in the video - I didn't do my research and should have examined it more before purchase. Still love Hilleberg, just had to move on from this one. Regarding the fly, i did try everything and could not get it right. I should have contacted Hilleberg directly about this. Operator error at its finest. I rushed in and didn't research enough!
How do you pitch the MSR access in heavy rain as a whole? Or use the tent as shelter without inner tent? I think you cant, right? This both makes the Hilleberg VERY different and advanced and therefore difficult to compare this two typ of tents, right? The Hilleberg you can pitch in bad weather condition, while everything will get pretty wet once you try to pitch the MSR inner tent first before adding the outer tent when its raining...
Another good video Mowser. Hats off to you for making the video. You could have chosen not to advertise your ‘mistake’. Like you said openly the Hilleberg is a very sturdy brand tent for severe conditions and it didn’t suit you as you are big, (I am 6’2”) which makes life in a tent more difficult and furthermore you clearly intended to use it as a full three person tent. Personally, I find that tapered or asymmetrical tents are always more difficult (ie. ‘’Painful’) and in some particular way in some aspect of design and compromised usage compared to their non-tapered cousins. When I see them on the plan I am put off straight away. Additionally you have been honest and given yourself some self-criticism about ‘not doing enough research’. This is my take on the theme of the video, as distinct from criticism of the product or brand (with the exception of the issue with vestibule tensioning), which has unintentionally cause some offense to some of the Hilleberg loyal customers. It is my experience that if something personally ‘niggles’ you about a bit of gear then it will always annoy you unless it can be fixed or you get rid of it znd replace it with something that you are content with. Hilleberg tents break too. Under severe conditions their poles can and do sometimes break. That has been well documented since their existence. Probably after most tents have been blown off the mountainside. An important aspect of marketing is earning a reputation of brand loyalty and I believe that Hilleberg has gained this, although it doesn’t mean that it is the only high quality brand of tent on the market.
Great analysis, thanks! Yep, I am blaming myself more here than having a go at Hilleberg. They do make great tents and I even think I'll probably end up with another one some day!
I can verify as an owner of both Allak2 and 3 that the latter is rather a large two person tent especially in wintertime with loads of gear and thick sleeping bags, frozen condesation on the walls and ceiling etc. You may fit in three adults with regular width pads but I would not take my largest friends with me because I appreciate some space and possibility to more or less live in the tent in case of many days bad weather. A fast trip with no intention to spend much time in the tent and regular sized mates who know how to keep their stuff and gadgets well organized, then Allak 3 might be spaciuous enough for three. The weight difference between 2 and 3 is so small I would prefer the bigger one in most cases.
Can you make a video about more tents that you have ? I had the msr hubba hubba nx and through high winds in scotland the rainfly ripped open from top to bottom so now I'm looking for a windproof tent and people all say take hilleberg, don't now how strong the msr snowtent is.
I have done a review on my latest favourite - the Slingfin Portal 3: th-cam.com/video/OisvbTe7zd0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=G9hL3oPqe3A6qmVu Since i mad this video i have sold my MSR Access as wasn't using it enough. More reviews always coming though! Thanks for watching!
Tent dimensions are an issue for the 6 feet and limit options considerably unless you want to brush up on the sides of the walls. That said some companies are getting on board with the 25-inch pads and making the bases that bigger to accommodate. Classic you upsize what you want to fit with a tent size +1 of the number of people you want to bring, eg you get a 4-man tent next time. My goto has been Kathmandu’s Northstar XT, got it for a steal at $150, RRP800?(simalier to the Macpac Olympus), a 2 man 4season has 6 guys lines+4 additional... but don't use them, with gear inside I only use 4 for the outer fly vestibules, a little more weight but the solid tent in any condition. Yep, 3.5kg but never had an issue in the 10ish years camping. still looks brand new.
Oh the inner tent doesn't flap is is tought. Longish tent at 385cm duel entrance at each end with vestibules the sleeping area is 230cm so plenty of room to stretch out that most don't get close to. Some dislike the tunnel-style access vs the side entrance of others, for me, kneel unzip foot out and stand up. Oh tent openings are duel-headed zippers but the fly is tri-headed which has confused some people I have travelled with. Setup is maybe 5min, out of the bag, unroll and fold, (2 pegs in an end if blowing a gale) poles in and erect(grey then red with red /\ bend in the middle over the doorway) pickup and decide on placement vs wind. If the fly was taken off, it is just a few clips around the base am normally not one to connect up the fly velcro to the poles, just keeps the fly more centred in wilder winds and can be done once inside with gear already placed if wet out. Collapse is not that much longer, 4 pegs out, poles out, tri-fold base to the middle, place poles and pegs at one end, roll it up and in the bag.
Nice vid mate... IMHO Hilleberg makes the BEST tents on the planet and I've used a lot. I would say for me Fjällräven is 2nd and other brands I like are TNF, Mountain Hardware, Eureka, Nordisk, Terra Nova. Samaya, Others are just ok like Black Diamond, Nemo, BA, and MSR. I have NEVER owned an MSR tent that didn't leak. Moved too much in bad winds. I have a Staika (BL) and it's the top three tents I own. If you can afford it and can split the weight, the Keron or Nammaj 3 are both BL and super strong (not freestanding tho). Just my thoughts.... I would always by a Staika over the Allak (although has better ventilation).
Thanks for the feedback! Some great experience to speak from there by the sounds of it! Will pay more attention to those other brands in future for sure! Haven' looked at the Fjällräven tents but am going to have a good look now!
@@mowsertas Nemo is amazing too! I love their products! :) But I've had my Hilleberg and Fjällräven is the worst conditions and never an issue... Try the other models from Hilleberg...
Too heavy? Used to carry a Tarra up the Scottish mountains, now that was heavy but a palace in the hills. After carrying the tarra, my other tents like the nammatj 2 would feel weightless.
Wow, carrying a Tarra up the Scottish mountains must have been quite the workout! It's amazing how different tents can feel once you've experienced the weight of a heavier one.
The Hilleberg and MSR are very different tents with different uses. Hilleberg is ment for scandinavian or other conditions where (a lot of) rain is expected. The MSR is a inner first tent and is more or less useless around here in Sweden and Norway as the inner will get wet before you get the fly on. It may work in snow, as the snow will fall off the inner. The MSR may very well be a better choise in dry areas.
Thanks for your detailed explanation of the differences between the Hilleberg and MSR tents! It's always great to have a clear understanding of the intended uses for different camping gear.
Just a few thoughts: Hilleberg will sometimes produce a tent with faulty tension on the fabric, especially common around 2020 production. It’s not all tents, yours was simply faulty. The Allak is a great tent but its definitely not one of the strongest from Hilleberg, especially the 3 as it’s bigger. I’ve used my Keron tents on Greenland expedition and those are the best tents in high winds that don’t change direction and on snow. The MSR is not very strong, despite the marketing. My buddy Tom Heanley has great videos on that. You can check it out and know what it can handle. Cheers
Good video but you need to do longer takes. The jumping around is a bit distracting. Most of your comments are not problems with the tent but just that it wasn’t what you wanted size wise.
Hi Mowser, wow - funny that. I made almost an exactly the same video as this. I actually traded my Allak 2 to a guy in Tasmania (for his Nammatj 2). I actually got a fair amount of backlash from people disagreeing with me that the Allak was too flimsy for high winds (but they're all wrong). lol.
I haven’t had that trouble but have still moved away from MSR recently. Loving the Slingfin Portal 3 lately. Looking forward to checking out a Fjällräven at some stage!
To be fair, these two tents cannot be compared as they are completely different products. The access is a good tent, but the materials are much lighter (and thus they can take less of a beating), it’s an inner tent first setup (making it pretty much useless in very wet climates) and the pole structure is much more flimsy compared to the Allak. Yes, the Access is much lighter but it comes at a cost.
Totally agree. Since making this I’ve been looking closely at some Hilleberg tents for use in more extreme conditions. Will most likely give the hilleberg another chance soon.
I have rarely found a tent size quoted as being nothing more than a guideline from the manufacturer. When I took my kids I bought a 3 man Coleman, cant remember which one, because in the showroom I stuffed my kids in to check the room, Husky also. Only tent that had the room but paid the price with the weight.
I solo camp nowadays but use a so called 2 man for myself. I have a number of these, Hoolie 2, Terra Nova Voyager are roomy and have seen all UK storms in these. I do have smaller one man tents, Hilleberg solo (bring ear plugs), a great little one man Robens, and a Nemo1P ( 2 season, 3 at a push} I tend to use the single tents when bike packing. I also haver a Rab ridge raider for the odd night but tend to use it as an all season bivvy bag, (not for the claustrophobic). I am hoping my kids, now all adults, will buy their own tents, but if have to share will apply the "add 1" principle to the sizing.
yes, that is the ethos i always apply now and always use a 3 man as a 2 man!
Everytime when i pitch my Allak 2 I'm so happy. I like the look, I like the feel, I like the space I like everything but the weight. But it manageable after all.
Who doesn’t already know that you always subtract one person from the claimed amount? You should know that as an experienced person. I have the Allak 3 as a roomy one person tent. At most it’s a 2 person. If you want a 3 man tent, buy a four man tent at least.
I think this is a good rule of thumb but gets overused and oversimplifies the issue. My partner and I have always used 2 person tents and for us I would never consider a 3 person tent as it's just extra unnecessary weight where we already have loads of space. This rule I think works for freestanding tents with minimal porch areas as they tend to have sloping tent walls which makes the otherwise spacious footprint size in reality smaller. But even then certain designs could work, as stated in the video the 3 person msr was fine but the hilleberg wasn't. It really just comes down to the actual dimensions of the tent, though I do think different manufacturers seem to measure the size of a person differently so something one brand might consider a 2 person is actually a 3 person and vice versa - again it just comes down to the actual dimensions and how much volume the tent makes by the way the walls slope down.
For other type tents like tunnel tents I would say this rule works less often. I have a 2 person hilleberg kaitum and for 2 people it is loads of room and is very long with vertical walls at either end and steep side walls. Here the 3 person would just be too big. Features of the tent can also negate this rule as my first tent was a 2 person Hubba Tour 2. With a big porch the size of the inner tent was less important.
So yes, good rule of thumb but I think if that is the only way people pick tents I think a lot will come away with tents that are unnecessarily too big and thus heavy. But each to their own - if you want a large tent go for it :)
He even checked the size on their website and still went with it. Can't help.
It funny i am been looking for a replacement for my msr tent same model you had .. i love that tent … but it very old now like 15 years i think so looking a t the Allan ..good info
It's a great tent for sure, I've always loved mine. A
Thinking about upgrading to allak 2for myself, something i dont have to worry about ik a windy winter camp
Thanks for the input.i,m now looking at the fjallraven abisko dome 3.more room plus 2 lower side vents which if my girls are with me should reduce condensation.cheers mate.
Happy to provide some input. Don’t get me wrong, hilleberg make great tents. Definitely interested to hear how the Fjalleaven goes!
thank you for this good video. I owned the msr access 2 and also the hilleberg allak 2. The Allak 2 was to small for me and my dog. The Msr Access is not a four season tent, that is my opinion for Swedish conditions not works. So now i use the Hilleberg Staika and i love this tent, but heavy 4 kg.
Maybe the Kerron 3 fit 3 persons, but heavy 4,2 kg.
Thanks for sharing your experience with different tents! It's always helpful to hear from fellow campers and get their insights on gear. Happy camping!
Have over 100 nights in Hilleberg Allak 2 - perfect for kayak hiking, little heavy for long hikes, but solid, vel built tent. Used it for a four week car trip in Noway (Lofoten, Andøya) with two persons and a dog, no problem 😊
That sounds like an amazing adventure! The Hilleberg Allak 2 seems like a reliable tent for all your outdoor trips. I love Lofoten! Cannot wait to return!
Hi, love your vids. What is windy conditions like when you are hiking the mountains in Tasmania?
I've experienced wind gusts on walks of around 120km/hr which was not fun (I was once lifted up and thrown a few meters in the wind).
In the last 2 weeks here, we have seen power outages (some lasting 2 weeks) due to an immense front that crossed the island bringing winds of over 100km/hr to the cities and gusts of 200km/hr in exposed regions. I guess that's why they all it the 'Roaring Forties'
Sounds to me like you are complaining about nothing 🤷🏻♂️!
Your biggest complaints are about the internal size and weight, yet you had all the specifications in the Hilleberg brochure and you still went ahead and bought the tent fully aware of this,…well that’s your mistake I’m afraid, you can’t really complain about it after the event because you made the wrong decision despite having all the relevant information.
If you’re unsure about the internal dimensions of the tent, the best way to assess this is by using a roll of insulating tape and actually taping out the internal dimensions of the tent on your living room floor, then you can physically put down your sleeping mats in this area and make a judgement if the area provided will be big enough for you.
Regarding the looseness of the fly sheet around the door area, at he base of the tent there is a webbing tape about 20mm wide from memory that joins the open sides at the door, this can be increased or decreased in length to get the correct tension on the door panel and zip, get this too long and the fly sheet door section will be loose and flap, if it’s too short this will put too much tension on the door zip, at best you won’t be able to close the zip easily, worst case scenario means you could break the zip.
Did you try adjusting this webbing for correct tension??
People also get hung up about the weight of a tent and forget that the main consideration is total backpack weight, that’s what you have to carry, not just the tent, I’ve got the Allak 2 and I’m aware that I could easily get a tent at least a kilo lighter, but for me camping solo in this, it’s like a palace 😬 ….some people complain about the weight of Hilleberg tents but seem to forget about the six cans of beer they are also carrying 😂😂 I don’t take anything like that, my priority is in a decent strong tent that won’t let me down.
There was actually nothing wrong with your Hilleberg tent ⛺️, just a case of operator error from what I can see 🤷🏻♂️?
Yep, correct. Like i stated in the video - I didn't do my research and should have examined it more before purchase. Still love Hilleberg, just had to move on from this one. Regarding the fly, i did try everything and could not get it right. I should have contacted Hilleberg directly about this. Operator error at its finest. I rushed in and didn't research enough!
With all Hilleberg tents you should always choose the next size that you would otherwise need, so for 2 people a 3 person tent is better.
How do you pitch the MSR access in heavy rain as a whole? Or use the tent as shelter without inner tent? I think you cant, right? This both makes the Hilleberg VERY different and advanced and therefore difficult to compare this two typ of tents, right? The Hilleberg you can pitch in bad weather condition, while everything will get pretty wet once you try to pitch the MSR inner tent first before adding the outer tent when its raining...
Yes you are absolutely correct. Will be testing another hilleberg in the future.
I bought a decathalon 2 person tent for solo winter. ❤
Should i carry a 2 person if im solo?
I tend to. But thats a personal preference!
Another good video Mowser. Hats off to you for making the video. You could have chosen not to advertise your ‘mistake’. Like you said openly the Hilleberg is a very sturdy brand tent for severe conditions and it didn’t suit you as you are big, (I am 6’2”) which makes life in a tent more difficult and furthermore you clearly intended to use it as a full three person tent. Personally, I find that tapered or asymmetrical tents are always more difficult (ie. ‘’Painful’) and in some particular way in some aspect of design and compromised usage compared to their non-tapered cousins. When I see them on the plan I am put off straight away. Additionally you have been honest and given yourself some self-criticism about ‘not doing enough research’. This is my take on the theme of the video, as distinct from criticism of the product or brand (with the exception of the issue with vestibule tensioning), which has unintentionally cause some offense to some of the Hilleberg loyal customers. It is my experience that if something personally ‘niggles’ you about a bit of gear then it will always annoy you unless it can be fixed or you get rid of it znd replace it with something that you are content with. Hilleberg tents break too. Under severe conditions their poles can and do sometimes break. That has been well documented since their existence. Probably after most tents have been blown off the mountainside. An important aspect of marketing is earning a reputation of brand loyalty and I believe that Hilleberg has gained this, although it doesn’t mean that it is the only high quality brand of tent on the market.
Great analysis, thanks! Yep, I am blaming myself more here than having a go at Hilleberg. They do make great tents and I even think I'll probably end up with another one some day!
Well done Mowser.
I can verify as an owner of both Allak2 and 3 that the latter is rather a large two person tent especially in wintertime with loads of gear and thick sleeping bags, frozen condesation on the walls and ceiling etc. You may fit in three adults with regular width pads but I would not take my largest friends with me because I appreciate some space and possibility to more or less live in the tent in case of many days bad weather. A fast trip with no intention to spend much time in the tent and regular sized mates who know how to keep their stuff and gadgets well organized, then Allak 3 might be spaciuous enough for three. The weight difference between 2 and 3 is so small I would prefer the bigger one in most cases.
Great advice! Thanks for sharing!
Can you make a video about more tents that you have ? I had the msr hubba hubba nx and through high winds in scotland the rainfly ripped open from top to bottom so now I'm looking for a windproof tent and people all say take hilleberg, don't now how strong the msr snowtent is.
I have done a review on my latest favourite - the Slingfin Portal 3: th-cam.com/video/OisvbTe7zd0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=G9hL3oPqe3A6qmVu
Since i mad this video i have sold my MSR Access as wasn't using it enough. More reviews always coming though! Thanks for watching!
@@mowsertas top, i allready watched more videos on your channel. Great video's!
Tent dimensions are an issue for the 6 feet and limit options considerably unless you want to brush up on the sides of the walls.
That said some companies are getting on board with the 25-inch pads and making the bases that bigger to accommodate.
Classic you upsize what you want to fit with a tent size +1 of the number of people you want to bring, eg you get a 4-man tent next time.
My goto has been Kathmandu’s Northstar XT, got it for a steal at $150, RRP800?(simalier to the Macpac Olympus), a 2 man 4season has 6 guys lines+4 additional... but don't use them, with gear inside I only use 4 for the outer fly vestibules, a little more weight but the solid tent in any condition. Yep, 3.5kg but never had an issue in the 10ish years camping. still looks brand new.
A lot of wisdom here! Love it! Am looking at a Northstar for the kids!
Oh the inner tent doesn't flap is is tought.
Longish tent at 385cm duel entrance at each end with vestibules the sleeping area is 230cm so plenty of room to stretch out that most don't get close to.
Some dislike the tunnel-style access vs the side entrance of others, for me, kneel unzip foot out and stand up.
Oh tent openings are duel-headed zippers but the fly is tri-headed which has confused some people I have travelled with.
Setup is maybe 5min, out of the bag, unroll and fold, (2 pegs in an end if blowing a gale) poles in and erect(grey then red with red /\ bend in the middle over the doorway) pickup and decide on placement vs wind.
If the fly was taken off, it is just a few clips around the base am normally not one to connect up the fly velcro to the poles, just keeps the fly more centred in wilder winds and can be done once inside with gear already placed if wet out.
Collapse is not that much longer, 4 pegs out, poles out, tri-fold base to the middle, place poles and pegs at one end, roll it up and in the bag.
Nice vid mate...
IMHO Hilleberg makes the BEST tents on the planet and I've used a lot. I would say for me Fjällräven is 2nd and other brands I like are TNF, Mountain Hardware, Eureka, Nordisk, Terra Nova. Samaya, Others are just ok like Black Diamond, Nemo, BA, and MSR.
I have NEVER owned an MSR tent that didn't leak. Moved too much in bad winds. I have a Staika (BL) and it's the top three tents I own. If you can afford it and can split the weight, the Keron or Nammaj 3 are both BL and super strong (not freestanding tho).
Just my thoughts.... I would always by a Staika over the Allak (although has better ventilation).
Thanks for the feedback! Some great experience to speak from there by the sounds of it! Will pay more attention to those other brands in future for sure! Haven' looked at the Fjällräven tents but am going to have a good look now!
@@mowsertas Nemo is amazing too! I love their products! :) But I've had my Hilleberg and Fjällräven is the worst conditions and never an issue...
Try the other models from Hilleberg...
but if you now that the tent is less than 70 in wide why would you try to fit 3 25in pads and then complain?
In this I had 2 x 25 inch pads and a smaller prolite pad (20inch). Still absolutely no chance of fitting.
Too heavy? Used to carry a Tarra up the Scottish mountains, now that was heavy but a palace in the hills. After carrying the tarra, my other tents like the nammatj 2 would feel weightless.
Wow, carrying a Tarra up the Scottish mountains must have been quite the workout! It's amazing how different tents can feel once you've experienced the weight of a heavier one.
The Hilleberg and MSR are very different tents with different uses. Hilleberg is ment for scandinavian or other conditions where (a lot of) rain is expected. The MSR is a inner first tent and is more or less useless around here in Sweden and Norway as the inner will get wet before you get the fly on. It may work in snow, as the snow will fall off the inner. The MSR may very well be a better choise in dry areas.
Thanks for your detailed explanation of the differences between the Hilleberg and MSR tents! It's always great to have a clear understanding of the intended uses for different camping gear.
Accomplished and interesting vid. 👍
Thanks for watching!
Just a few thoughts:
Hilleberg will sometimes produce a tent with faulty tension on the fabric, especially common around 2020 production. It’s not all tents, yours was simply faulty.
The Allak is a great tent but its definitely not one of the strongest from Hilleberg, especially the 3 as it’s bigger.
I’ve used my Keron tents on Greenland expedition and those are the best tents in high winds that don’t change direction and on snow.
The MSR is not very strong, despite the marketing. My buddy Tom Heanley has great videos on that. You can check it out and know what it can handle.
Cheers
Fantastic information. Thanks so much! Will check out Tom Heanley!
Good video but you need to do longer takes. The jumping around is a bit distracting. Most of your comments are not problems with the tent but just that it wasn’t what you wanted size wise.
Hi Mowser, wow - funny that. I made almost an exactly the same video as this. I actually traded my Allak 2 to a guy in Tasmania (for his Nammatj 2). I actually got a fair amount of backlash from people disagreeing with me that the Allak was too flimsy for high winds (but they're all wrong). lol.
Crazy! How is the Nammatj? Have looked at them too!
@@mowsertas I'm very fond of it - quick setup as long as the ground isnt frozen solid (or bedrock). Very sturdy.
Every MSR test ive owned has wetted out / leaked! I do not trust that brand anymore. :( Hilleberg and Fjällräven make the best tents imho!
I haven’t had that trouble but have still moved away from MSR recently. Loving the Slingfin Portal 3 lately. Looking forward to checking out a Fjällräven at some stage!
TLDR; Man discovers that 75" > 67" and 8lbs 3oz is a bit heavy
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To be fair, these two tents cannot be compared as they are completely different products. The access is a good tent, but the materials are much lighter (and thus they can take less of a beating), it’s an inner tent first setup (making it pretty much useless in very wet climates) and the pole structure is much more flimsy compared to the Allak. Yes, the Access is much lighter but it comes at a cost.
Totally agree. Since making this I’ve been looking closely at some Hilleberg tents for use in more extreme conditions. Will most likely give the hilleberg another chance soon.
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This video is not about a tent, this video is about the fact that you do not fit in 160 cm. This is strange.
thanks for watching!
Access 2 if your taller than 5ft forget it lol
“70 inch across”? Yet you want to fit 3 x 25 inch wide pads? Math much?
Had 2 x 25 inch pads and a smaller prolite pad (20inch).