DC Has A Joker PROBLEM...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- The Joker is the most iconic Batman villain in DC Comics, having an impact on other Batfamily characters like Jason Todd (Red Hood) and Barbara Gordon (Batgirl). He appears in a plethora of adaptations, including Batman: Arkham Knight, Suicide Squad, Joker: Folie à Deux, The Dark Knight Trilogy, and Zack Snyder's DCEU, just to name a few notable versions. The character is set to appear in more entries connected to Matt Reeves' The Batman universe. However, the Joker has faced issues with oversaturation, as seen in characters like The Batman Who Laughs and Harley Quinn. Games like Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League, Multiversus, and Injustice 2 all feature the Joker in some way. Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League is the latest video game based on DC Comics and enters the Batman: Arkham Universe five years after the events of Batman: Arkham Knight. It marks Rocksteady's first major release since 2015 and features a mind-controlled Justice League as a consequence of Brainiac's invasion. The Justice League roster includes Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, and Green Lantern, while the playable characters from the Suicide Squad include Harley Quinn, Deadshot, King Shark, and Captain Boomerang.
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Dc forgets that batman has unique rogue gallery that Challenges each his skill set on different level.
Bane, Ra's and Joker but what about the others?
@@TheUnseenPathScarecrow - Fear (exhibit: Arkham Knight)
Riddler - Intellect (exhibit: Zero Year, Matt Reeves' film, Arkham series)
Mr Freeze - Morality (exhibit: BTAS Heart of Ice)
Just a few examples.
@@sageoverheaven You could also consider Lex Luthor as a Batman villain too. He’s like Batman but evil.
Bane is the challenge for Batman’s back.
@@nont18411 I think Lex is much more effective as a Superman villain.
Batman 🤝 Joker = Warner Bros and DC Comics biggest cash cows
Yep
Well deserved
They have other cash cows. Thank God David wants other charcater to be used
At this point, Batman is singlehandedly carrying DC brand.
@@BrandonTBlackwell he isn't
They’ve overused joker so much he’s pretty much everybody’s villain now
No podría haberlo dicho mejor.
It’s like Lex Luther. They’re both more Justice League villains now as opposed to Batman and Superman villains
Remember that one comic where superman BULLIED joker? Sup gave bro a reality check, had him realize the only reason he's nothing against the other superheros
@@mitab1 I only remember about injustice, when Joker turned Superman into his b*tch.
Flash vs Joker was funny
Worse, a edgy Joker problem, i want goofy joker, not another clown serial killer
Watch Batman Brave and the Bold or the 2004 The Batman shows. They have the best jokers.
@@TheR3d3mpti0n Batman Brave and the bold was my first contact with Batman Mythos, i love this cartoon with passion
@@Rodrigo_B_Viana yeah it's one of the best versions
He is a clown serial killer.
joker has always been a clown serial killer tho…?
DC seems incapable of utilizing any character not connected to Batman. It's like they forget they have decades worth of Superheros.
The others don't
Sell so they don't exist
@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ωTook the words right out of my mouth. Nobody will pay for those characters since A) they don't know them, B) they don't want to know them, and C) they don't care to know. Unless you give them new origins or nuance or something they won't ever see the light of day after their last formal appearance from any title since their inception/creation. Much love and respect.
Maybe it's because Batman is the most popular. Other characters don't sell like Batman.
@damienrichards9743 Every point you listed sounds like a DC/WB problem. These characters do and can sell, but all the suits want to do is shove every piece of Batman down our throats. If Marvel can sell B, C, and D list characters, then DC, who has the better, more popular characters, surely can make them just as much or more popular.
@@callmejacob3234bc they don’t use them lol. Iron man wasn’t as big as he is now neither were the guardians of galaxy. Dc is just lazy
13:22 Ill never understand why DC is so obsessed with making Barb the bat families shared bicycle. Only a matter of time till they somehow try to pair her with Damien
She's canonically not. You can bring up alternate universes and Three Jokers which falls into that category all you want but it's not the case
@@jlpgaminit’s about warner bros not the canon comics
@@roguerex292 wb owns dc so it's still about the canon comics
@@jlpgamin I understand that but most media like the games, shows and movies doesn’t draw from any comics. Just the general idea. And combining all media Barbara been with Tim, dick, Batman and Jason todd
@roguerex292 media takes inspiration from the comics. You can use media as a reasoning but my point about the flat out comics is still valid where she hasn't been with all of them
Batman bitching to Alfred about how they should kill Superman while Alfred is just thinking about every time Joker blew up an X full of Y
Based Alfred
"if there's even a one percent chance..."
"uhh bruce, joker ACTUALLY kills people, and he killed your adopted son, why not focus on proven killers first?"
"shut up alfred"
Supermans not human though, and the joker is. In that movie Batman was just using a loophole that killing an Alien is ok.
I think the other problem is how violent the Joker is now. He just murders for no reason, whereas Bronze Age and even Golden Age had reasons to commit murders. He saw Batman as a worthy foe, not someone to obsess over.
Yeah, the batman obsession is weird.
@@TheR3d3mpti0n Beforehand, Joker only believed Batman was worthy enough to challenge him. Joker took pride in being a master criminal, not a mass murderer.
@BrandontheAwesome yeah he hated him with a passion, but it's been a weird trip how writers somehow turned that rivalry into. "Wow, he loves batman." It's weird.
@@TheR3d3mpti0n Yeah, I've been reading the Bronze Age, and I like Joker there much better in stories like the Laughing Fish and Joker's Five-Way Revenge.
If I was in charge of DC, I would make a Batman show full of dark and adult themes, have season one not feature the Joker at all and build Scarecrow as Batman's nemesis. Then in season two I would introduce the Joker as the only character with the most saturated colors amongst the rogues, having him pull mostly bank heists with silly puns and gadgets that don't kill anyone, and in batman show down with Joker it would be revealed that Joker didn't steal the money for personal use, in fact he donated it to charity, Joker did all of it to get attention and he just wanted people to laugh while watching the news instead of being scared or depressed.
This idea for the Joker needs polish, but I think it would be a fun twist for the character to be Batman's less serious villain, bordering the line of anti hero. I think it would be a fun contrast amongst all the tragic and straight up evil villains Batman has for the Joker, who nowadays is mostly a crazy mass murderer with plot armor, to be dedicated as the lesser evil or Gotham.
Of course we can't use some of the more famous joker stories but those could be reworked into storylines for Scarecrow, Hugo Strange or Two face.
Along with him being overused as hell, I have two big problem with him in recent trays. One, how he's being written more as an agency of chaos/anarchy akin to Heath Ledget rather then having him be the clown prince of crime and Secondly, how the comic keep coming up with excuses as to why no one will kill the guy! Oh, I also hate how much they've been powerscaling him
Can you elaborate on the powerscaling thing? Beenout of the loopfor a bit
@@sageoverheavenExhibit A: The Batman who Laughs
Joker’s plot armor is insane, probably surpassed those of Batman
The are keeping him
Alive because he sells
Nothing more nothing less
Joker is the definition of plot armor, as long as there is water for him to fall on, he is going to survive no matter how large the fall or if he had an explosion send him flying meters before
When Jared Leto‘s Joker came out, I was in middle school, so I was simping HARD for that man, but now that I’m older, I can confidently say I hate that version of Joker. NEVER AGAIN BRO!!
I can say you're a sheep and follow the bandwagon
You made a mistake and that’s ok
After Snyderkat came out, most people took back their words.
And he wasn't annoying like Margot Robbie as Harley.
@@ii-mp1sp
He... he wasn't?
I didn't watch it, she outdid him?
@@ivoryas1696 Margot Robbie is a sexualized mediocrity who became famous thanks to her appearance like a porn actress.
I love how every chance you get you are gonna roast the hell out of Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League , you ain't never gonna forgive and you especially ain't never gonna forget 😂😂
My biggest opp fr
@@MEnterprises01 😂🔥💯💯
I would LOVE to see Mad Hatter take center stage. He definitely has what it takes.
He and many other DC villains show up in Gotham. The series is messy and toy around with the lore but some of the performance's are amazing.
@@Peregrina I meant for Mad Hatter to be in an actual Batman project. Gotham didn't have Batman.
@@BrandontheAwesome Yeah. That's fair
@@Peregrina Besides, you also have villains like Poison Ivy (when she isn't being butchered by writers), Eraser, Dr. Aesop, Catman, I can go on.
Ras Al Ghul is my favorite Batman villain. I feel he is a better opposite to Batman, being devoted to the same mission, just on a larger and more destructive scale. Basically Batman with no morals and infinite resources.
It sucks that DC thinks of Joker as batman's greatest villian they should only use. Batman has many amazing villians that should be used more like Two face, Scarecrow, Bane, Ra's al ghul, Hugo Strange, Mr Freeze, Poison Ivy, Penguin, and the court of owls. Those villians deserve to be used more in media. There's so much potential with them.
Ivy has really interesting potential.
Not just the cholorkinesis, but also her hair color has the same effect on the bat-family that Kryptonite has on the superfamily, so an easy plot? Something involving Vicki Vale.
I agree with you all of these villains all have potential like Hugo Strange he can challenge Batman with Emotions and Batman having to confront his past because Strange is the one who brings it.
Scarecrow has been decently utilized recently, from Nolanverse, to Arkham Knight, he got quite some big roles. Not that he shouldn't be used, but there are other villains (Freeze or Ivy come to mind) that still have to reach the spotlight they deserve.
Clayface
Killer croc
DC should do with Batman what MCU does with Spider-man, give him villains never seen before in live action or reinvent villains who have been adapted poorly like Mr. Freeze and try to minimize Joker.
Agree with you on that one.
DC and WB need to used other Batman villains, like Clayface, Man-Bat, Cluemaster, Maxie Zeus, Anarky, Hugo Strange and others, outside of the Joker, cause that's guy is so extremely overrated as heck.
I mean, the Joker shouldn't be in Matt Reeves' The Batman movie. but WB executives just made Matt Reeves put him in it, even if it were a delete scene in the film.
Prometheus and azreal movie would go crazy rn
They still didn’t adapt Big Wheel into live action. Try again 😊
(no but seriously my boi big wheel deserves justice)
I hate "Batman and Joker are sides of the same coin" argument.
Joker opposes Batman. He's nothing without Batman.
Batman will be fine without Joker. They are not equal.
You clearly don't understand that they love each other. Joker is Batman's true soulmate. If Joker died it would be like Batman's parents dying all over again. Their love story was better than Twilight.
@@HumanB312That’s…wonderful.
@@HumanB312 Both Edward and Joker are toxic partners let's be honest.
No, DC has a Harley Quinn problem.
Tired of them trying to make her this Meta Human Anti-Hero.
He made a video talking about that, but I agree. She doesn't deserve to be a hero because her 'redemption' arc isn't good enough to warrant that status, how can she be a part of the Bat family when she still did pretty bad things while no longer associated with the Joker?
If we are talking BTAS Harley, I think she could have been redeemed, just look at Harley's Holiday. But TNBA Harley? Nope, she's too far gone.
I tired of both
Harley is basically a stand in for Joker, but with added TNA
he made a video on her, and that doesn't mean they don't have a problem with joker
Finally someone else that agrees that batman who laughs is overated.
No, everyone agrees.
It’s a shame he’s apparently not a great character since his design I think is a cool look.
He is still the best
@@TheBatman667 nah people just like him cause his rip off judge dredd look and OP nature. Almost every other evil Batman is way better
@@dc7981 nah bro. He is the best evil version. Don't care what other people have to say
It weird that the guy who created joker wanted to kill him off
Really ???!!!
@@superblue-Bc6re he thought joker would make batman no kill rule look stupid if he stayed alive, so after batman captured him he was sentence to death but he got famous and DC got greedy so after in the next issue the joker returns
@@abdullahiali4885 and he was right. Batman no kill rule actually looks stupid thanks to the Joker.
@@nont18411yeah and that whole “he’s legally insane so he can’t he executed” is bs to it doesn’t matter how mentally ill somebody is if they did the shit joker does regularly they’d be put in the chair regardless they’ve literally done it before with Albert fish (who everybody agreed was insane but was so horrible/hated they executed him anyways) so joker getting off scot free is pure plot armour
I like Joker and Harley(specifically classic jester) but there is a time and a place and THEY DON'T NEED TO BE ALL THE TIME IN EVERY GODDAMN PLACE
bro is cooking everyday
Not just batman villians dc villians as a whole getting hoed by the joker besides lex and reverse flash
One of the most cringy opinions people say that immediately makes me not think that person is a batman fan for real is "there is no batmn without joker". I'm talking about the people who defend very hard of the Joker's surprise twist as main villain in Arkham Origins and his ghostly return in Arkham Knight. Or the ones who were upset by his lack of use in recent Batman animated movies.
Batman has one of the best set of villains in comic history but you're telling me Batman stories don't get much interesting without the Joker? I mean Superman and Flash can have great books without their arch foes but Batman can't? Spider-Man has a debate of 3 arch enemies *Venom, GG and Doc Oct) and clearly his rogues has had spotlight well in media for a while.
It feels like the writers lacked faith in the there other villains so they chose the safe route of Joker instead of taking risks. Feels a bit cowardly if you ask me.
I actually loved the ending of Arkham City, where Joker dies in this way. I actually want this to adapt in a official comic event down the line, something as life altering like Death in the Family. Having Joker actually die would also get rid of the idea that Joker is the "main rival" to Batman.
He is
He is not the only one
But he is the main one
I agree, if he got killed permanently it would be a huge event. If he got dead for 10 - 15 years and the comics sold better during that time, it would maybe give DC the click that Batman can work perfectly fine without the Joker
I read this too fast and thought you said have an alternate version of Death In The Family where Joker dies in it and I just thought to myself "How could Red Hood work if Joker died, even if he idk got killed by his own people." Now I know that's not what was being said here, but it was just a thought.
@@gfilmer7150 Ez: make Jason depressed when he gets resurrected because his satisfying revenge was stolen from him by some rando thug or whatever
@@TheMamaluigi300 Some random banger killing DC’s cash cow? Bold. But unlikely. Thing is Red Hood still has beef with Two-Face and is known to feud with Black Mask over The Throne of Gotham.
DC has a whole clown problem
Starting with their writers
So many underused Batman villains like Black Spider, Orca, Doctor Phosphorus, even Killer Croc. Who else has been underused? Just like Spider-Man villains like Scorpion & Rhino who are very underused.
David Cain and Lady Shiva are two I want to see in live action. Get them in the public zeitgeist so that if/when Cassandra Cain eventually gets adapted, people can have a rough idea of what her OG parents were like ala what happened with the Al Ghuls being used in the Nolan trilogy.
Listen, Harley Quinn gotta GO, she literally everywhere. then we can talk about too much Joker
Batman Who Laughs 🤝 Arkhamverse Batman = Prep Time Bullshitters who brought the worst of normal DC Community.
Been reading the dark knights metal event and yeah, Batman Who Laughs is annoying. And somehow they made it WORSE.
Batman Who Laughs was pretty terrible in origin but his concept of having no kill rule sure is terrifying
Used to like him as a villain, now i can't stand seeing him in media
Reverse Flash should have been a villain who has unlimited plot armor because of his power in relation to Barry.
Meanwhile, Joker is just a crazy human clown.
One think I will say about the Arkham-verse Joker “coming back” in the last game was that Mark Hamil’s Joker is peak and it’s great to hear his performance whenever we can while we have him😂
My GOAT Mister Freeze deserves more love. The most sympathetic Batman villain by far, all he wants to do is be with his wife, yet he’s forced down a path of villainy
Didn't DC turn Freeze into a delusional simp recently and he was never married to Nora?
DC has Harley Quinn problem too! Both characters need a year rest or more! They should make either The Riddler, Two Face, Penguin or The Scarecrow to replace the Joker!
Year? What about 5-10?!
@@SecretMagician At least they are not overused like Harley Quinn and the Joker!
@@MikePhillips-x6m no, I meant that, after Joker: Foile a Deux, Joker and Harley Quinn need a mainstream break from media for the next 5-10 years.
@@SecretMagician I miss understood you, totally agree!
So long as they don't turn the Riddler into Hyperactive-Bargain-Bin Joker like they did with Batman Forever. I still despise Jim Carrey for ruining that character.
4:36 Why did Man cameo? Is he goated?
Least insane r/Batman Arkham enthusiast
I always preferred Scarecrow. He's Batman's TRUE antithesis in my opinion. Both use fear as an apparatus, whereas Jonathan Crane is a psychiatrist that makes sense he'd be evil knowing man's evil himself. Scarecrow's are pretty scary and he can even fight. In the Arkham Games it is mentioned in the recordings he's not "sympathetic" he's just pure evil, and I like that about him. Joker has no origin he is evil for the sake of evil and gets away with feats he doesn't deserve because 'I'm crazy" so is every other supervillain in Gotham. Joker could be a bigger threat than Darkseid if they wanted (for no reason at all). That's why I don't care for him.
In my opinion, many of Batman's villains have something from him.
The Joker - his insanity
Scarecrow - the fear he causes
The Riddler - his genius
Catwoman - his good heart
Penguin - his money
Two-face - his thirst for justice
Mr. Freeze - his loss
@@valentinkambushev4968
The Joker - His Insanity
The Scarecrow - The Fear he brings
The Riddler - His Genius
Catwoman - His Heart
The Penguin - His Resources
Two-Face - His Desire for Justice
Mr. Freeze - His Loss
Bane - His Brutality
Ra's Al Ghul - His devotion to the Mission
Black Mask - His Obsession with The Mask
Poison Ivy - His Protective Nature
Deadshot - His Stalking/Predator of The Night
Batman's Villains are his best because they represent parts of him Bruce has himself and he knows this, it's like each time punching a Twisted Mirror, had things gone differently, Bruce might have ended up like Roman Sionis or Thomas Elliot, this is why Writers should focus on more than just Joker because Batman has a complex Dynamic with all his Villains, that's why they're interesting, they can't just go leave Gotham and fight someone like Nightwing, they're Batman's Villains, they represent aspects of himself and he understands them better than anyone.
WB and DC lost their touch honestly
Mr freeze was underrated and underused in arkham
Batman Cycle:
*Joker comes out
*Joker eliminates half of the city
*Batman catches him
*Arkham
*Joker comes out
*Joker eliminates half of the city
*Batman catches him
*Arkham
BRO I GET IT YOU DON’T KILL BUT YOU ARE MORE GUILTY THAN JOKER RIGHT NOW! Joker is a psychopath who kills people, this is bad. But something worse is an “altruistic figure” to be selfish enough to let the crimes happen indirectly by not ending the killer! This is like… “Oh my child got zapped! I better not take any responsibility and let them do it again”
I would watch Beware the Batman, cause that's an Batman cartoon show which featuring Batman's lesser-known adversaries, like Anarky, Professor Pyg, Mr. Toad, Magpie and others while adding an few of his well-known rogues like Man-Bat, Killer Croc, Ra's al Ghul and Two-Face without having to need to rely on the Joker of all people!
Although, Penguin did cameo on a poster in one episode.
I have never herd of the lesser known villains of this list.......ever.
@@superblue-Bc6reexactly. DC is SO OBSESSED with the Joker, the middle to lower tier of Batman villains aren't known by anyone in the cultural zeitgeist.
And the show unfortunately failed due to the lack of big names.
13:35 don’t worry. New 52 tried it first. Don’t know why every writer tries to pair up Barbara with whatever male Bat-Family member, but please, fucking stop. Only inevitable before she hooks up with Alfred and Damian
Her and Dick is OK, anyone else is weird
Back in 2013, when he was revealed to be Black Mask in Arkham Origins I rolled my fucking eyes
Same
In other hand there was true Roman Sionis aka black mask
But still and get beaten by Bruce
I don't wanna see Joker in The Batman sequels because Barry Keoghan was cringey as him. I rather see Scarecrow and Mr Freeze.
Bane is another villain that deserves attention as well they barely utilize him
@@feliciasteward777 hope he'd be like arkham origins bane
I just hate when they go overboard with the disfigurement and make him butt ugly
Yeah I agree dc seriously needs a break from the joker in my opinion.
I’m tired of seeing the joker and harley quinn everywhere. I just have 0 care for them anymore and skip any of their scenes in everything.
Well I agree heck I was attack by Harley stans over a meme I made
13:16 I just remembered that at the end of The Three Joker Bruce says he knew who Joker was a week after their first encounter, but if so then why ask the Mobius chair for Joker's real name 😅
jared leto burned the whole kitchen tryna cook
IT IS ABSURB to think Batman still let’s Joker live at everything he has done
It's not that Batman allows him to live its the justice system. Bruce has wanted and tried to kill him multiple times and is stopped by other characters. Bruce isn't judge jury and executioner same with every other actual superhero.
Killing isn't HIS role.
Hes killed joker before. Its DC's fault they keep reviving him.
@@jlpgaminno Bruce is A Dumbass he keeps putting the joker in the same place where he keeps escaping from
Thats comics for ya
Scarecrow is so underused
Yeah he was like an interesting main antagonist in Arkham Knight shame. we don't have more of that
I’m pretty sure it’s too much Harlequin not Joker
Arkham is about Joker and batman is such a bullshit cope In retrospect, of an overuse character.
No that only happened because they forced that character in too many spots.
This Mind numbing concept is the Reason why we Have the problem the first place
Honestly, I can justify the main trilogy being about Batman and Joker, but all four games? Yeah, no. That's tooo much. I think it would've been cool to see Arkham Origins be the story of Black Mask hiring these assassins to take down Batman only for Black Mask to get captured but the remaining assassins (Lady Shiva and Bane) are still on the hunt for reasons beyond financial gain. If WB wanted to push The Arkham Games more by having sequels Origins head a new trilogy that focused on the organized crime side of Batman's career instead of 3 more games about Batman and Joker, it probably would help ease the Joker fatigue that the Arkham fans have.
So he's the Charizard of DC
Then who’s the Meowth of DC?
@@TheMamaluigi300Batman = Pikachu
Superman = Meowth
Joker = Charizard
Harley Quinn = Squirtle (if you catch my cold)
@@lightborn9071 Superman is Eevee
Joker is becoming The Jinkler.
I think we need killer moth or that other guy who Batman left paralyzed in the snow
KGBeast
Two Face and Penguin are one of Batman rogue that needed more spotlight but no, it had to be the Joker every freaking time. This is shown best at Suicide Squads video game. Let the Joker rest before we go back to him again, no one would complain if other Batman Rogue get more screen time.
Two Face never gets the love he deserves! Have a story with Penguin taken over Gotham and Harvey Dent trying to bring him to justice! Two of Penguins thugs capture Harvey and torture him almost Death! This leads Harvey to become Two Face. Then have Two Face become the next big bad!
Dos Caras fue ridículizado por Joe Schumacher en Batman Forever. Sí no fuera por Christopher Nolan, nadie lo echaría de menos.
I hate WB and DC leadership, man 😭💀
The Mandarin fans who haven't had ANY adaptation of him since the end of Armored Aventures in 2012: 💀
That’s basically most marvel villains that aren’t apart of Spider-Man’s gallery. Marvel is too scared to use him cause controversy I bet
Mandarin is Goated
The Batman 2022 had the right idea, mostly focusing on street level/serial killer like mystery villains. I'd actually want a Professor Pyg, Hush, heck, I'll even see what they can do with the Court of Owls.
I think the problem isn't necessarily that Joker is oversaturated (even though that is also part of it) but that he has the spotlight on him way too much. What the animated series did great is that there was no doubt that Joker was Batmans most prominent foe but he was integrated into larger stories elegantly, like Mask of The Phantasm where the relationship between Bruce and Andrea was the bricks of the story and Joker was just a part of the mortar. And they actually used him vary creatively like in The Laughing Fish, or when he was the judge at Batmans trial by the rogues. Where as almost everything today just becomes essentially the same tortureporn schlock that is essentially screaming at you how Joker is the scaryest guy ever when he really isn't. We get it death of the family was cool but it hasn't been since.
So i think it would at least make it more tolerable if they gave Joker a wider range of roles in stories instead of being the hyperspecific version of him that everyone uses for some reason.
I don’t know. Looks like Matt Reaves is turning The Joker into Hannibal Lecter.
I get what your saying but batman visiting Joker in Arkham for advice on cases is nothing new at this point they've done it a whole bunch of times in animations.
I really hope that in the future, we get to see other lesser-used Batman villains take the spotlight in animated or live-action films. A movie with Ra's Al Ghul or the Court of Owls as the villain would go hard.
Ra's was basically the overaching villain of all the Nolan films
I wouldn’t mind Joker just being a goofy prankster.
As a massive joker fan myself anyone else was kind of mad when watching “The Batman” and the Joker showed up at the end
You can’t have Batman without joker imo
not saying he has to be shoved into every story
Yeah, that was one of my only major complaints with the movie. I was really excited to get a grounded batman series with no joker in sight for at least one or two movies but that was crushed the moment the riddler got locked up. I was super disappointed and I hope the sequel has nothing to do with him
@@smallrug3469 reeves already confirmed that he had no plans for joker at least for the sequel I could see him returning in the third film closing out the trilogy
@@smallrug3469 honestly that sums it up. I remember me and my friend both sighed and looked at eachother in disgust when he started laughing. Not from the performance but from the fact it was another joker
The Joker is cool but Batman has a huge rogues gallery use them
I do agree that Laughs main problem was being overused, I feel he should’ve died on the mini series he was the main antagonist of.
Making him a literal god was just ridiculous at that point.
Having the character question Batman’s morality and beliefs was cool and all, and him ultimately killing him could have started some questions, about how Batman felt about killing an alternate version of himself that was nothing short of a monster, despite his no killing rule.
In some sense it could’ve even been seen as a mercy kill since despite how monstrous Laughs is, his fall to villainy was against his will.
We could’ve even had some moments of lucidity with him about having to live up with the immense guilt over his actions and being unable to stop due to his fractured mind.
We also could have canonized that killing joker releases a gas that turns anyone near him to jokers, giving DC a good excuse as to why he's never killed.
The best part of Batman who Laughs was Joker and Batman teaming up to throw him off.
*We need Less Joker and More “The Creeper.”*
What is your thoughts on The Creeper over the years. Including the Elseworld Stroy Beware of The Creeper by Cliff Chang and The New 52 Creeper where he was an Oni from Japan.
There was a pitch for 1st Round Robin tournament the pitch was called Son of The Creeper. But sadly Tim Seeley’s Robins won.
He isn't Batman's best villain. I would be happy to see him on a hiatus for some time at least to balance out other characters time in the spotlight.
See, this is exactly why I had a problem with Arkham Origins because around when I was younger my graduating year the Dark Knight came out, then Arkham City and then they had in a bunch of comics and then other movies and when he was the twist villain in origins it made me so upset because they did Black Mask dirty and at that point I was really over the Joker and then they jumped to Harley and that is really when I was like... Okay... Can we stop with these two haha.
I mean...kinda. Yeah.
When it comes specifically to Batman, DC has a Joker, Bane, AND Ra's Al-Ghul problem.
Sin Tzu, Wrath, Prometheus, Kirk Langstrom, Kobra Cult, Deacon Blackfire, Caraxes, Mister Freeze, Doctor Death, Doctor Phosphorus, Equinox and the enhanced assassin Philo Zeiss are all waiting to be in more projects. Zeiss is an actual Batman villain who would take the place of Deathstroke a Titans villain. Batman needs more fantastical villains and super assassins instead of the mob and serial killers.
The villains from the 80s and 90s need to be used more like Deacon and the Dr especially the Dr's Gas mask trench coat design. Those older batman comics genuinely felt less like super hero comics and more like detective stories and Gotham felt bigger then just Batman and Joker you had all kinds of oddballs. Personally Id throw in Orphan, Lockup, Azzy, Terrible Trio, Mad Monk, Stirk in there too
off topic but PLEASE make Mr. freeze the main antagonist in Matt reaves batman holyyyyy
Why joker gotta be at the diddy freak offs 😭😭
Jason having a thing for Barbara only proves he has perfectly working eyesight
The problem is Barbara reciprocating
Honestly it’s the over exposure that really neutered the Joker for me and the over complication of his background and mythos. I preferred when he was more Moriarty to Batman’s Sherlock. I don’t like when the Joker knows who Batman is or has any interest in that, because it isn’t a part of the game between the two. Honestly the perfect essence of the Joker to me is in Detective Comics 475&476 because he works both ends, he concocts goofy schemes yet is absolutely terrifying and he is all about the game.
Honestly, one of my biggest fears is that DC is just going to focus solely on Batman & Joker at one point & I'm not about that
Me still waiting for scarface in a hollywood batman movie
For yall that don't understand why Batman can't kill The Joker after everything he has done. I think that it's because of his trauma, Bruce literally blames himself for his parents death, and every life he can take will remind him of that night when Thomas and Martha died
Joker, Joker, always The damn Joker! 🤦 where's my queen Veronica Vreeland? Why doesn't SHE get more adaptations?? Also what about The Penguin, Mr Freeze, Scarecrow?? All of these characters are way more deserving of the spotlight than The Joker right now!
They should’ve been pushing a better villain like Snowflame or Kite-Man or Animal-Vegetable-Mineral-Man instead.
Batman has so many amazing villains Joker is just one of many
I'll never get tired of seeing The joker Baby.
Professor pyg need to shine and so does mad hatter 😔
they would fit perfectly in The Batman Universe
DC forgets what made joker so compelling and complex in the first place is he’s a final boss. Once you use him it’s hard to use him again. He is the bottom of the barrel evil, worst of the worst when it comes to batman villains. Joker is a genius and completely unpredictable. Batman should only ever have to face him a few times before he realizes he’s too dangerous to be kept alive. He’s literally one of the only things Bruce truly fears. Just read Man who laughs and you’ll understand what I mean
DC comics could give more development to the Deathstroke, he is practically a Batman villain.
How did Batman of Zur-En-Arrh build a robot without Bruce noticing money being spent? Even if Zur-En-Arrh bought different components from different companies, Bruce must have notice his money or Wayne Enterprise money was spent? Or did Zur-En-Arrh rob criminals and used illegal money to build the robot?
I love the Joker but I do agree he is over a lot and Warner Bros and DC Comics need to use other villains like Scarecrow, Penguin, Poison Ivy, Two-Face, Bane, Killer Croc, or any other Rogues Gallery. Give a second chance to not-so-well-known, low-tire, or forgotten villains. (the same thing applies to Batman too. I love him and he is my favorite but is way too overused.)
Scarecrow > Joker
My only exception for overexposure of the Joker was Arkham Origins and that’s because that game was freaking awesome
Really? for me, once he was revealed, the story took a nose dive and never really recovered
@@PunkMetalero9666 It’s ok I completely understand
Writers also do a disservice when they write a lot of Joker stories that literally boil down to just being shock value because there's no substance and makes the character feel less interesting as a result.
I would love to see a good Mr. freeze central focused game
Thanks for this. Every writer thinks they need to do their "Joker" story. The overuse has made him boring.
For real we got to have mordecai and rigby I’d spend a fuck ton on it
Bro really said if you don't like Arkham we gonna box 😂
I fully agree and have been saying the same exact thing forever and now there's a second issue, Harely Quinn isn't a role model.
15:13 Joker's stare is cursed.
And that's why I LOVED The Batman (2022). Sure it has that stupid Joker cameo but at least he wasn't the main villain again. The Riddler was really cool and I can't wait to see what they'll do with The Penguin in his series.
Gotham should a very good amount of Bats villains
"Oh please, you of all people would know there'd be a Joker in the deck."
The Designer from the comics is a egregious example. Imagine the twist of Origins with Black Mask but worse.
or just make the joker another batman villian not THE batman villain. like from Batman TAS
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BatKeaton drops a bomb that causes an entire factory filled with people to explode, or lights a guy on fire with his Batmobile. BatBale causes an explosion inside of a dojo killing the fake Ras al Ghoul and all the ninjas and even the very criminal he refused to kill, or even pushed Two Face off of a building, nobody panics. But as soon as BatFleck kills the bad guys, well then suddenly everyone loses their minds!
Also, BatFleck didn’t kill until after the Superman incident. He saw Superman as a major threat to humanity and decided not to hold back anymore.
The Joker is 6'5" & 191lbs in canon, yet Joker is rarely drawn or cast to show/be taller than Batman 6'2" & 210lbs. It's J's speed & length & madness/unpredictability & inhuman pain tolerance that combined make The Joker the most underrated threat in H2H CQC. Plus, he has Batman as his usual sparring partner. The Joker is always holding back vs Batsy. Joker can defeat &/or has defeated most of Batman's Rogues Gallery in H2H CQC.
As much as heath ledger gave an incredible rendition of the joker, I think we’re still yet to see the “best” joker on screen. I wanna see a joker that reminds me of the Arkham joker.
Exactly