Honestly, Jason Todd is probably the only person who can kill the Joker without any consequences whatsoever (Ironically, if you consider the narrative that vengeance is empty and has consequences). We've seen Batman kill Joker and it ended badly for him at best, and the world at worst. We've seen Superman kill the Joker and that went horribly for everyone involved in the long term(Literally nobody minded that Superman killed Joker in Injustice, it's just everything Superman does afterwards that causes a massive schism). I honestly can't see anything go wrong if Jason Todd just kills The Joker. If Joker tries to goad Batman or Superman or any other major Justice League member into killing him he'd likely have a backup plan. But I really doubt Joker would actually prepare one for Jason Todd specifically, Jason doesn't really care about Joker's philosophical leverage of someone killing him, like he has over Batman or Superman.
Can’t forget the mental gymnastics for why Batman hasn’t locked him up after all this time. I get that it’s his son, but this is also the same man who’s always been far more committed to his mission and genuine goals of rehabilitation over his more emotional feelings, to the degree that his obsession to his mission had him conquer the binds of f*cking time itself
It's not even that hard. Just kill Joker, make it a big event, the death of a clown! And have Jason Todd do it, or Clown Killer, whoever. Have a focus issues on the would be Joker killers who didn't get to do it. Revenge against attempts by the two people upset that Joker's gone. Show how much Gotham/Earth has changed for the better without Joker...and then, after a year or five, bring Joker back. But Joker's different now. He died, he didn't like being dead. He's not going to do the same things that got him dead.
@@trevorparker6400its a general marvel and dc problem which is the biggest issue with american superhero comics where the characters just aren’t allowed to progress in any meaningful way
@@trevorparker6400 Honestly, you're right. These current writers don't have the passion writers from the past did. They look up the characters on wikipedia and do just enough to get paid. Years later its only obvious now that every character seems to be a hollow shell of their former self.
He’s desperately in need of a good writer. Feels like he’s never had a “must read” run outside of the initial debut in Under the Hood. My main complaint is that it seems no one really knows what to do with him, or how to commit.
@@C.R.Cole331 it doesn’t help that he’s just wildly different even in books happening concurrently. Like take the New 52, where he abides by Bruce’s no kill rule…but only does so in Batman books. Cause in the Outlaws or others’ books he is more than cool killing whoever he wants
I feel like it would be cool if Jason leaves Gotham and travels the country or world, stopping crime where ever he goes, inspiring the locals to fight against injustice.
They don't give him to the writers best suited for him, like a Jeff Lemire, a Ram V, a Tom King, or maybe hiring a writer like Rick Remender to a Black Label miniseries. Also, it's kinda weird to not have him involved with Talia or in a tentative partnership with Waller.
Crazy how the best part of gotham knights is the cutscenes and not the gameplay, the true definitive experience I really like the characterization in it
@@Watch-0w1 I think the gameplay is technically fine. I think the major issue with Knight’s gameplay is the level design. It is not nearly as tight and interesting as City’s. Granted, I think the tank-play is pretty f*cking boring. I’ll never defend the tank. It’s some of the easiest combat I’ve ever come across in a triple-A game
It really is a shame that DC just doesn't know what to do with Jason. He's got a lot of potential for good stories but it's never properly utilised or seen.
Just started the video but MAN, it breaks my heart whenever I think about what they've done to him. The constant back and forth between killing and not killing, and the overall death of his mystique and character because they REFUSE to let him grow and get over his trauma. The theme of a Deadman slowly coming to grips and learning how to be human again is such an easy layup like wtf 😭😭😭
Still forever strange how Jason’s legacy of Robin is changed after his death, as it seemed that no one in-universe remembered him as even competent. He didn’t even get remember as a Titan, despite the fact that he was a solid member who helped save the world against Blood And P.S. Arkham Jason still hot a**. Shall we collectively forget that game’s story
DC loves pushing the agenda that he was a horrible Robin who wasn’t fit to be one. When Tim was Robin, they constantly did shots at Jason’s character. Now that Jason has a set personality, he can’t work in mainline comics because he’d kill everyone causing trouble and Gotham would undoubtedly get better.
@@PostCrisisRH well not entirely. Because even before Tim was brought on l the books were just all in on trashing on Jason. Jim Sterling was infamous for not like the character, and quite literally has Batman blaming Todd for his own death when he finds his body during Death of The Family. Like god damn Bruce, at least bury the kid before you start taking your shots😂😂
@@joeker5208 Yeah they kept dissing him even before Tim, but they were very vocal about it with Tim. Constantly saying if he dies he fails, taking so many potshots at Jason lmao
@@PostCrisisRHThe fact that people push the idea that Jason could just magically fix gotham by murdering all the criminals is fucking insane and is why I feel like I have this need to be embarrassed or clarify my position every time I say I like the character
@@ellieporter3270 I’m mainly referring to modern DC comics gotham, which most of the storylines in it is just the Joker causing problems. The whole “corruption in the root of Gotham” barely gets anything anymore it’s literally just the Joker doing mass murders. Killing most of the rogues would fix like a good 75% of the problems. And its funny because an alternate universe with a Batman who did kill his rogues showed that Gotham got safer lmao.
Red Hood is like Hush. A character tailored to work in one specific masterfully written story (Under the Red Hood movie), but never anywhere else because the writers don’t know what to do with him. Keeping him around means that he would’ve killed the Joker by now, but DC and Marvel are scared of permanent consequences. If their universes worked like Invincible’s, where it’s a single linear timeline of events in which character progression and events actually mattered, this wouldn’t be an issue
And it’s not like Joker’s role in Jason’s life can be retconned like when they removed Two-Face killing Jason’s Dad to his Dad being a lifer in prison who worked for The Penguin.
The comic was better than the film. Jason’s motivations were clear, calculated, and he did things purposefully while the film made him some whiny teenager just trying to get Bruce’s attention. The film also deliberately tried erasing why Jason got captured and pushes the notion that he was careless and violent. Jason didn’t obsess over the Joker because he had his own empire to build, he only did so towards the end to just clear the air, and the ultimatum with Bruce was one of the best moments in comic history.
That's literally the point and main concept of Invincible. Kirkman made it as a "What if a superhero comic series was not an endless overly ongoing series like most mainstream comics and has proper continuity and seamless stories"
@@corysmith564 Yes! That’s how it always should be! It’s time for DC and Marvel to get with the times. Long time comic fans are exhausted of endless nonsense, we want proper storytelling with a beginning, middle and end for every character so stories can actually matter
Red Hoods major issue is that DC can't give him a consistent face lol, seriously sometimes he thug with a beard and shaved head but other times he looks like an emo pretty boy anime character who looks like an entirely different dude. DC cannot stay consistent with this dudes face
I feel like Red Hood should just be a stage in Jasons life. He goes from being the second bashful Robin, the orchestrating Villain who achieves what he wants through blood, then the vigilante anti hero that isnt afraid to put down his prey.. I feel like he needs a coming around arc. Jason needs help moving on
Jason’s growth is always being against the Batfam’s moral code because it never works. Either he needs to kill the Joker or leave Gotham because he’ll always be a stagnant character, since DC won’t kill the super villains and keep making do stupidly absurd crap.
Jason shouldn’t be a member of the Batfamily, their ideologies and methods conflict with each other. He should be a lone wolf, someone who operates outside of the GCPD and Batfamily like in Under The Red Hood
He's the black sheep of the Batfamily. They can't have him at the mansion, yukking it up and sipping hot chocolate. He's not like the rest of them, but Batman and the family can't cut off his connection to Jason completely. He should be the one who never stays at the function for too long. He should really just operate in his own city.
@@joshjones9749 every Robin except Tim should be this way. Grayson has Blüdhaven, Damian should be in Bialya since he's "a royal rotten Robin in an area that desperately needs a supehero" and Jason could be in Chicago or some equivalent.
@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω dude first impressions are everything Damian was introduced as a whiny, entitled, insufferable brat and the fans remember that and always been like that since the new 52 and people are so tired of reading anything about Damian "the shit" Wayne Actually most fans just got tired of dealing of DCs bad decisions and awful writing To me Damian is like the equivalent to the CW dc series yeah it's that bad
Hear me out. Have red hood become a cowboy. Take advantage of what they did with reacher as well. Have him be a cowboy/reacher like character who rides a motorcycle and never stays in one place and is an outlaw: he faces different threats. 1 day cartel or gangs the next corrupt police the next day government etc. have him take on his own
There’s so much potential to dive deeper in his relationship with all the other bat family members. Like he can have more resentment towards Tim but they can try to build a relationship towards each other. Dick and Barbra can have some more love towards Jason compared to Tim or Damien. Damien and him can be a brutality duo, where Jason even tempts Damien to kill. So much potential
Red Hood gets screwed over due to the fact he makes Batman pointless. Jason is capable of killing villains without goimg full postal. Unlike batman who's terrified he wont stop. The other part of this that gets downplayed is the fact he is the most skilled of the family. No matter what Bruce says. Red hood has beat every major family member including Cass. He's also somehow the most emotionally mature.
Please in what reality is red hood more skilled in fact out of all them is the one who the least skilled recently but put him down and knightwing embarrassed his ass lol
I'm not saying DC doesn't make him a jobber, especially lately, but no way in hell can he beat Cass, one of the most skilled hand-to-hand combatants in the entire DC universe. That's not how that works bro...
I disagree with this whole post. Batman doesnt kill because he's worried he'll go postal. He doesn't kill because 1) he's a vigilante and extrajudicial killing is a horrible idea and 2) more importantly his parents were murdered, and Bruce will never inflict that evil on someone. He's also absolutely not the most mature. Even when he's on his way to redemption, the effects of the Lazarus pit are still a struggle for him. He uses excessive force all the time and it causes a lot of damage.
My boy has been butchered in more ways than one. He's got a lot of (wasted) potential for more good stories but they don't/never utilize it properly. Decades of being here and yet he doesn't have that many good stories, not even a “must read” and that's just sad. Give him to a competent writer who genuinely likes and understands him and he'll be up there. It's pretty clear that DC either doesn't know what to do with him anymore or they just really don't gaf. Whnever they had chances to do MORE or atleast just SOMETHING with the character, they've always managed to miss every single time. Post-Crisis Jason is peak Jason.
It is SHOCKING how few good Jason Todd Red Hood stories actually exist beyond Under the Red Hood, he has had 5 different comic series dedicated to him and only one of them is actually good (Red Hood: The Lost Days). That being said, I don't understand the hate for Morrison's version of Red Hood from Red Hood fans. Just like in Under the Red Hood, he believes that he is what Batman should be like, acting as a great contrast for Dick Grayson's Batman and giving us the most interesting take on the character probably ever. Morrison also does a great job exploring the mind of Jason. It also serves as a metacommentary on the dark and edgy Batman-like characters with Jason believing that type of hero is the type of hero Gotham needs only for him to cause more problems. It's not even that out of character for Jason to take that turn, he always viewed himself as what Batman should be and was very willing to kill anyone who got in his way. I much prefer antagonist Jason to Anti-Hero Jason, especially since the anti-hero Jason barely has any good stories compared to Anti-Villain or Villain Jason, I feel he works best in an antagonistic role than Nightwing with Guns. I never understood why people like New 52 Red Hood, there was only one good New 52 story with Red Hood as the focus and it was a single issue in Batman and Robin (Batman and Red Hood #20) and I just found it very hard to buy the idea of Bruce just allowing Jason to use guns. Sure he only allows him to target hands, knees and elbows but Batman has two rules, no killing and no guns and Jason breaks both of them on a frequent enough basis, it really doesn't make sense that Bruce accepts him into the BatFamily. The thing that makes it work better in that story though is that it's a story following Damian's recent death, putting Bruce in a bad headspace leading to him to doing a very out of character things where he fries the nerves in a man's hand, making him never able to use his hands again. The entire issue is Bruce angry over Damian's death and bringing Jason to where he died without his knowledge in order to get Jason to remember how he was brought back so that he can apply it to Damian, putting his own feelings over Jason, even attempting to guilt trip Jason into dredging up those painful memories. Bruce has an ulterior motive here and an angry Bruce teaming up with Red Hood and allowing him to use guns makes more sense than a normal Batman working with Red Hood and letting him use guns, especially since Jason is very much not against killing people. The best Post-Flashpoint Red Hood story is Cheer, it's the only story that I think actually makes Anti-Hero Red Hood interesting and not just DC's Punisher. Jason actually has to face the consequences of killing people, whether he views it as a justified or not, and he's written with some actual emotion that isn't just edge. The problem is what followed wasn't very good. It just shows that in order to make Red Hood an anti-hero or more heroic or a member of the BatFamily you really have to remove the stuff that made Red Hood work originally and people don't like that. Anti-Hero or Hero Red Hood as a member of the BatFamily just doesn't work for me.
This is a true Post Crisis Red Hood enjoyer. If Post Crisis Red Hood was in modern DC, his mentality will always be proven right with how horrible Batman has become.
I didn't realize Penguin actually survived that! I was thinking wow, DC actually just had Red Hood execute a named super villain. They aint afraid of giving him credibility, I'll give them that much. Hearing "didn't die, but not for a lack of trying" made me laugh, like Penguin is Wolverine, Deadpool or something...whose the DC equivalent? Plastic Man? Clay Face?
On N52 Red Hood and the Outlaws, the early issues have trained by All-Castle which made Jason being a pseudo Magic character as even his swords need blood to get strong but either Scott or DC hate the idea since All-Castle and Essence end up disapear from DC Lore.
There are two ways Jason works. Either you make him a violent killer and a direct threat towards the Bat Family. OR you write him as a character that goes bad but works his way up to a better character and ally of the Bat Family. There should NEVER be any in between! If writers want a villainous Red Hood then give us a version that is pure evil while giving us an alternative version that is more heroic. The idea writes itself.
Jason could have been DC's answer to Venom or Speedball thats all about redemption into being a hero again or he could have been the eternal dark reminder of Batmans greatest failure as a villain but keeping him in between the two is doing nothing for him
Preach! My favorite DC character has been completely chopped into squares, placed into a blender, thrown into a furnace, smelted into charcoal, grounded into dust, and mixed into a pile of shit. They absolutely massacred my boy!😭 He has the potential to be way more than what they've made him. We are talking about a Robin turned criminal here. He should be a major antagonist to the Bat Family as a whole. He knows their secret identities, their tactics, their technology. I hate how they just made him another ally instead of the anti-hero he was meant to be. He was the original Batman Who Laughs, the true Batman Who Laughs, he was the initial Batman and Joker mix, the better one. He was the Red Hood, but now, he and the Batman Who Laughs are one and the same. Edgelords.
Post-Under The Red Hood the character was pulled in so many different directions. He went from the young crime-lord poised overthrowing Black Mask, to “The Batman Who Kills” during the Morrison Era to Sylvester Stallone international mercenary with his band of Outlaws to working undercover back to being a vigilante with his outlaws then back to a crime-lord to working with Batman to take down Cheer to… whatever the fuck Gotham War did with him. The character I feel needs to be retired, where he finally leaves Gotham and heads into hiding because the character is just haunted by this city. There’s not much they could do to change the character as it would again feel like a 180 of wherever he is in life.
@@gfilmer7150 Yeah, DC just needs to do a hard reboot on his character and return him back to his crimelord era, his original depiction as the Red Hood, and explore that for a while with him being an antagonist to the Bat Family (not a villain).
@@Ash-Winchester I know of him but am not all that familiar with his character besides the basics like wanting to help save Gotham through the use of chaos.
@@tremel7336 Explore that, have him lose everything after he’s a Kingpin for a few years in our world then have the character go on a crisis that leads to him finally retiring.
The inconsistency, man. He’s either an ugly incompetent whiny villain or a hot competent antihero jerk with a heart of gold dealing with trauma. He’s definitely the latter but the Jason haters at DC that often get their hands on him write him as the former. It’s maddening.
0:06, Redhood, Tim, A lot of cast of NTT especially Raven, Wondergirls to some degree, Connor Kent Superboy, etc. A lot of these characters have the same problem tbh.
Yh it got hate at first but ppl went back and was like "yk what, it's not too bad." I think ppl were just too mad that it wasnt another Arkham game and that it doesn't play like one
Bro, you need to some kind of DC animated top 10 list or Batman animated movie top ten list. You know the comics and you know what actual good DC stories are. I would to hear your opinions.
Jason is another awful case of comic writers basically writing half a character. Similar to Peter Parker and Tony Stark, the current crop of writers only know and care about the characters up to exactly what they're assigned to write, but they have no actual ambitions for them. They don't change, they don't grow, nothing new or interesting really happens by the time the story is over. They're still stuck in that subpar space of quality where their best days are long gone and their potential is never fully realized again. It can really all be traced back to a lack of passionate writers.
I can't even blame DC for it, they wrote themselves into a corner. Personally, I think he's one of batman's greatest villains but he became an antihero way too soon and he works VERY WELL as one. Writers and fans want both but can't have both without making the character as flip-flopy as he is now. Normally the solution would be to make a different character as a foil, but we already have enough Robins. (Also Ghost-Maker didn't make a splash.) IMO, best shot is Elseworlds or Flashbacks. Establish that some comics are from different continuities (like the Ultimate universe) or from different points in the timeline (Batman Year One). In the main continuity, he can grow as a character. In the elseworlds, he can do whatever.
Remember Jason’s death effected bruce mentally and physically to the point where he was more violent with criminals, close to breaking his no kill rule, and almost started a war between the USA and Iran to get his hands on The Joker, he should operate as a crime boss to destroy crime systematically and help people through the money he gets running his organization kinda like Bruce does as a philanthropist since Jason looks up to Bruce Wayne and should be more accepted and love the bat family
I love him,but he needs to be included more in more dc projects as robin first.They barely put him as Robin in a lot of dc projects, especially in animation.
My favorite Jason was the under the red hood movie he just seemed soo cool to me and that’s why I loved him out here regulating crime I just felt like his method seemed very smart instead of stopping crime regulate it plus it just made soo much sense why he wanted to kill the joker tbh it was just a perfect Jason movie to me
I enjoyed him pre-New 52. Ever since New 52, ehhhhhhh. Hit or miss. Loved his story in Batman and Robin, with Scarlet. His inclusion in Battle for the Cowl. His adventures with Artemis (that’s Rebirth but whatever). Hated Titans. Talk about missing the point of a character
Because Jason appeals more to teenagers and emo girls who want to fix him rather then appealing to cops. Frank is more of an older father everyman whos fallen type where as Jason has that emo bad boy whos hot vibe that teens love
I was literally thinking that Red Hood has the Punisher "problem". Basically, in any story he is in you have to make up new "fodder" villians to kill if you want to keep him killing villians or you have to have him stop killing villians.
18:01 Oh my gosh, you left out the worst part of Gotham War! The scene where Bruce kidnaps Jason and drugs him with Fear Toxin that's supposedly permanent so that his son could never rebel against him again. The character assassination in Gotham War was off the charts 🤦♀
Ya Jason in the comics he keeps relapsing which just feels like family drama at this point. Honestly I'd prefer he be a full on anti hero without needing to be involved with bats or villain because how bitterness he is towards the batfamilies crusade especially Bruce
I think Jason works better as Anti-villain than Villain. As Villian, he becomes really repetitive. As Anti-Villian, he seems to be happy and get a normal life ... Close to normal life that Amazon from Bana-Mighdall and vigilante that was trained by Assassins can be.
Unlike Dick Grayson, who was Batman's Greatest Success, Jason Todd really is *Batman's Greatest Failure* . Jason is one of Batman lore's most exciting and complex characters. I love his philosophy of showing Batman how his method is flawed and how when he came back, he wasn't broken by the fact that Bruce didn't save him, but Jason was indeed broken, and Batman never avenged his death by killing the Joker. I really hope writers figure out a good way to utilise Jason again because, in recent comics, it seems like DC editorial doesn't know what to do with him since they always try to make him a constant anti-hero but don't seem to give Jason any exciting stories and sort of make him feel less relevant. One thing about Jason I love the most is how he follows his instincts and how he applies his trauma and survival skills to ensure no one else suffers through the same broken system and abuse he did before meeting Batman or becoming Robin and growing up in a life of poverty with a terrible father and mother that abandoned him and used him.
The thing is “Batman’s greatest failure” means it’s Batman who is the failure that messed up by failing to do right by Jason, Jason isn’t the failure. Fan always misinterpret that quote.
I actually really liked gotham knights giving red hood a magic edge. My big issue was that they didnt go far enough with it. Give him a glowing red ghost arm to replace the limbs he lost in the explosion. Give him a healing factor. Make him see dead people. Pair him off with zatanna and constantine. It would fit his backstory and character so well.
And like with all things regarding Jason, they took away that development. The magic Robin thing has kinda gone to Damian now. Even Batman 666 had a healing factor.
Honestly, the route I would take with Jason is him being an antagonist to the Batfamily most of the time, because while they want the same thing, they have different methods. But at the end of the day, still being family when it really matters. Similar to the Task Force Z story, more or less.
Stuff like this is why I don’t really bother with being caught up with comics on a weekly basis anymore, and only read a run after it’s finished and heard good things about it.
My head canon actually wants Red hood to become DC bat family member magic user. Combine Lost days All caste Into one canon Then make him the magic detective. Underworld mystic and grounded stories. So Easy man
Honestly treat him similar to shadow not edgy for the sake of being edgy but have him be a realist or foil to the bat family as well due to him being angry and bitter anything related to Batman. And have him kill some of the major villains not S their but maybe A or B tier villains with 0 fucks given, like if Batman tires to talk jason out of killing a villain he pulls the trigger anyway mind sentence showing talk no jitsu doesn't work Especially keep his beef with Tim. Lastly have him be top 2 or 3 best fighter
They don't give him to the writers best suited for him, like a Jeff Lemire, a Ram V, a Tom King, or maybe hiring a writer like Rick Remender to a Black Label miniseries. Also, it's kinda weird to not have him involved with Talia or in a tentative partnership with Waller. However, I don't think that Jason should ever really be completely fine with Bruce. Jason literally proves Bruce's "No Killing" ideology is false, yet Bruce has him on the tightest leash. Bruce has proven that he simply refuses to trust Jason, and his ready beat him into submission at a moments notice. Jason helping the Bat Family? Sure. Jason actually being comfortable around them (besides Alfred, Cassandra and maybe Babs)? Nah. The Joker also needs to go a long break, so just let Jason kill him.
If DC writers dont know what else to do with Red Hood, then the folks in charge need to either retire Jason Todd or have him go on break until DC can get a good writer who can handle the character and not repeat the same concepts.
Jason peaked after becoming Red Hood but that's sadly because the writers keep reshuffling his story instead of making something original like what they did with Robin becoming Nightwing.
I personally enjoy the outlaws in new 52 and most of rebirth also my favorite bat-family dynamic in the bat-family is Tim Drake and Jason Todd underrated dynamic, Jason Todd and Tim Drake in the comics have some my favorite interactions in the bat-family a good example is them eating together in the new 52 and knight terrors Robin those are the two I think of first but yeah I feel Tim Drake and Jason Todd have it the worst out of bat-family when it comes to how their used in comics.
It's a hot take and not many people really agree with it, but it would have been fine if Jason became a villain. It is just strange to me how a character who is considered one of Batman's biggest failures and someone that goes around using guns on top of not being okay with Batman's code just continues to team up with him. He clearly doesn't work as an anti hero, simply because of DC's refusal to kill off super villains. But he always has to be at odds with Batman and the Bat family. It's better off if he just became a villain. It would have been fine if he offers a philosophical challenge to Batman, Tim Drake, or Nightwing with the added advantage of him knowing their moves because of Batman training to counter them and create problems. I also personally like the idea of him having a moral decay and getting worse as a person, further proving that Batman's way was correct and "it always starts with one". They can keep Jason killing people that everyone seems to like all the while making his lack of success have a point. Either way, regardless of what people may feel, we are all in agreement they need to go in one direction with him - whether as a villain or a full blown hero.
Thank you he should be an anti-villain, stop trying to make him a anti-hero. He does things his way while also having morality. But what I disagree with is making Batman right. that character does not need his ego nor his fans wanked anymore because of how god awful his moral code is (they completely messed up his stance on crime in the comics). Especially since other Batmen who killed made Gotham a safer place in alternative universes. Batman needs his code reworked to be back what it used to be like in Long Halloween, or the animated series. But that won’t happen because Joker would be killed for all the stupid crap the writers make him do.
@@PostCrisisRHis moral is just okay and this is batman who once carried DC on his back when books weren't selling what has red hood even done or punisher absolutely nothing so batman deserves or the wank lol
@@dumisaniphiri Because Batman is the only character they can do because the writers go all edgy in the stories, and DC keeps pushing this when it ruins his character. This is the same market that don’t understand Superman as a character and think he’s boring because he’s powerful, when he’s far from being boring. The greatest Superman stories quite literally wash the majority of the Batman wank slop on the daily. Batman is overwanked because they just focus their attention on to him, which in turn makes him a worse characters than what he used to be. DC priorities Batman because he’s easier for casual readers to relate to than actually trying to faithfully adapt Superman. You want to talk sales? Marvel is doing way better than DC is despite the fact both are horribly written. You people are reason Batman has so many haters than fans.
What are your thoughts on absolute batman? 12:06 Honestly THIS is my redhood and the outlaws! Let redhood be redhood and just stick with it already! Why is this a hard concept to figure out! ……Now does DC have a catwoman problem?
I hate Urban Legends with a passion. It undid all the development Jason went through and healing he has done. I just stuck to future state and RAO vol 1 and 2. Imo Red Hoods arc ended with Scott Lobdell
Ngl, if I was Jason during the Gotham War and Batman mind controlled me into losing my ability to even defend myself... I would never forgive Bruce, Zur personally or not.
Jason is perfect when he's headlining an Outsiders/Outlaws type of book. He had his beef with Batman, they get over it, and now he puts his skills to work handling dirtier business that the League or the the main Bat-Family can't touch. It should be that simple.
The mental gymnastics the comics have gone through to explain why Jason haven't killed Joker is yet is pretty insane.
In the Arkham-verse, It makes sense, because, we know, Joker was dead when Jason became Red Hood!
Wait, that's actually a good fucking point. Why HASN'T he yet?
Honestly, Jason Todd is probably the only person who can kill the Joker without any consequences whatsoever (Ironically, if you consider the narrative that vengeance is empty and has consequences). We've seen Batman kill Joker and it ended badly for him at best, and the world at worst. We've seen Superman kill the Joker and that went horribly for everyone involved in the long term(Literally nobody minded that Superman killed Joker in Injustice, it's just everything Superman does afterwards that causes a massive schism). I honestly can't see anything go wrong if Jason Todd just kills The Joker. If Joker tries to goad Batman or Superman or any other major Justice League member into killing him he'd likely have a backup plan. But I really doubt Joker would actually prepare one for Jason Todd specifically, Jason doesn't really care about Joker's philosophical leverage of someone killing him, like he has over Batman or Superman.
Can’t forget the mental gymnastics for why Batman hasn’t locked him up after all this time. I get that it’s his son, but this is also the same man who’s always been far more committed to his mission and genuine goals of rehabilitation over his more emotional feelings, to the degree that his obsession to his mission had him conquer the binds of f*cking time itself
It's not even that hard. Just kill Joker, make it a big event, the death of a clown! And have Jason Todd do it, or Clown Killer, whoever. Have a focus issues on the would be Joker killers who didn't get to do it. Revenge against attempts by the two people upset that Joker's gone. Show how much Gotham/Earth has changed for the better without Joker...and then, after a year or five, bring Joker back. But Joker's different now. He died, he didn't like being dead. He's not going to do the same things that got him dead.
Redhood and the outlaws feels like where the character is supposed to be with a bunch of misfits solving problems their way
My favorite comic book run. Despite the weird back and forth with the bat family
The Dark Trinity was one of the best things Jason got and they took it away from him, then act like it never happened...
Agreed. Need them to come back asap. That was the perfect place for Jason to be.
Yeah, at least it gave Jason some consistency and was a damn fun read !
This is why Fans wanted to Dark Trinity to evolve into a "Dark" Justice League aka JL of Outlaws.
3:30 imagine citizens hearing someone shouting “D*CK!” From a rooftop 💀
It's Gotham, people probably scream worse things from the roofs
@@archivist_13 or did worst on rooftops *cough* “Batman: the killing joke”
@@senshi_jp oh NAH
@@senshi_jpcrazy💀
And ı thought Spider-man was the one who locked in limbo.
Most heroes seem to be. Kinda sucks
@@trevorparker6400its a general marvel and dc problem which is the biggest issue with american superhero comics where the characters just aren’t allowed to progress in any meaningful way
@@talentroller4413oh peter progresses....to be marvels punching bag to let him suffer and then be replaced by the DEI hire miles.
@@trevorparker6400 Honestly, you're right. These current writers don't have the passion writers from the past did. They look up the characters on wikipedia and do just enough to get paid. Years later its only obvious now that every character seems to be a hollow shell of their former self.
Miles is nothing like Peter @@ZeroOmega-vg8nq
Red Hood kills the Suicide Squad better be Rocksteady’s next game
I'd rather have red hood kills batman as a next game.
Rocksteady will sure know how to disappoint you with a different game
With dynamic duo coming out in 2028 I wouldn’t be surprised if we have Nightwing & Red Hood missions on the next Batman game by rocksteady
@@Nv02319 Bold of you to assume Rocksteady won't fail on their next title by then.
If Rocksteady was smart, they’d greenlight it and make it their redemption game
He’s desperately in need of a good writer. Feels like he’s never had a “must read” run outside of the initial debut in Under the Hood. My main complaint is that it seems no one really knows what to do with him, or how to commit.
@@C.R.Cole331 it doesn’t help that he’s just wildly different even in books happening concurrently. Like take the New 52, where he abides by Bruce’s no kill rule…but only does so in Batman books. Cause in the Outlaws or others’ books he is more than cool killing whoever he wants
I feel like it would be cool if Jason leaves Gotham and travels the country or world, stopping crime where ever he goes, inspiring the locals to fight against injustice.
He's the one with the most potential
I'm literally right here. Let ME write sum
They don't give him to the writers best suited for him, like a Jeff Lemire, a Ram V, a Tom King, or maybe hiring a writer like Rick Remender to a Black Label miniseries.
Also, it's kinda weird to not have him involved with Talia or in a tentative partnership with Waller.
Crazy how the best part of gotham knights is the cutscenes and not the gameplay, the true definitive experience I really like the characterization in it
The complete damn opposite of Arkham Knight😂
@@joeker5208the gameplay is trash also. 90 percent is a janky war thunder tank fight
@@Watch-0w1 I think the gameplay is technically fine. I think the major issue with Knight’s gameplay is the level design. It is not nearly as tight and interesting as City’s. Granted, I think the tank-play is pretty f*cking boring. I’ll never defend the tank. It’s some of the easiest combat I’ve ever come across in a triple-A game
It really is a shame that DC just doesn't know what to do with Jason. He's got a lot of potential for good stories but it's never properly utilised or seen.
Just started the video but MAN, it breaks my heart whenever I think about what they've done to him. The constant back and forth between killing and not killing, and the overall death of his mystique and character because they REFUSE to let him grow and get over his trauma. The theme of a Deadman slowly coming to grips and learning how to be human again is such an easy layup like wtf 😭😭😭
Still forever strange how Jason’s legacy of Robin is changed after his death, as it seemed that no one in-universe remembered him as even competent. He didn’t even get remember as a Titan, despite the fact that he was a solid member who helped save the world against Blood
And P.S. Arkham Jason still hot a**. Shall we collectively forget that game’s story
DC loves pushing the agenda that he was a horrible Robin who wasn’t fit to be one. When Tim was Robin, they constantly did shots at Jason’s character.
Now that Jason has a set personality, he can’t work in mainline comics because he’d kill everyone causing trouble and Gotham would undoubtedly get better.
@@PostCrisisRH well not entirely. Because even before Tim was brought on l the books were just all in on trashing on Jason. Jim Sterling was infamous for not like the character, and quite literally has Batman blaming Todd for his own death when he finds his body during Death of The Family. Like god damn Bruce, at least bury the kid before you start taking your shots😂😂
@@joeker5208 Yeah they kept dissing him even before Tim, but they were very vocal about it with Tim. Constantly saying if he dies he fails, taking so many potshots at Jason lmao
@@PostCrisisRHThe fact that people push the idea that Jason could just magically fix gotham by murdering all the criminals is fucking insane and is why I feel like I have this need to be embarrassed or clarify my position every time I say I like the character
@@ellieporter3270 I’m mainly referring to modern DC comics gotham, which most of the storylines in it is just the Joker causing problems. The whole “corruption in the root of Gotham” barely gets anything anymore it’s literally just the Joker doing mass murders. Killing most of the rogues would fix like a good 75% of the problems. And its funny because an alternate universe with a Batman who did kill his rogues showed that Gotham got safer lmao.
Red Hood is like Hush. A character tailored to work in one specific masterfully written story (Under the Red Hood movie), but never anywhere else because the writers don’t know what to do with him. Keeping him around means that he would’ve killed the Joker by now, but DC and Marvel are scared of permanent consequences. If their universes worked like Invincible’s, where it’s a single linear timeline of events in which character progression and events actually mattered, this wouldn’t be an issue
And it’s not like Joker’s role in Jason’s life can be retconned like when they removed Two-Face killing Jason’s Dad to his Dad being a lifer in prison who worked for The Penguin.
The difference is that the red hood story is way WAY better then Hush ever was
The comic was better than the film. Jason’s motivations were clear, calculated, and he did things purposefully while the film made him some whiny teenager just trying to get Bruce’s attention. The film also deliberately tried erasing why Jason got captured and pushes the notion that he was careless and violent. Jason didn’t obsess over the Joker because he had his own empire to build, he only did so towards the end to just clear the air, and the ultimatum with Bruce was one of the best moments in comic history.
That's literally the point and main concept of Invincible. Kirkman made it as a "What if a superhero comic series was not an endless overly ongoing series like most mainstream comics and has proper continuity and seamless stories"
@@corysmith564 Yes! That’s how it always should be! It’s time for DC and Marvel to get with the times. Long time comic fans are exhausted of endless nonsense, we want proper storytelling with a beginning, middle and end for every character so stories can actually matter
Red Hoods major issue is that DC can't give him a consistent face lol, seriously sometimes he thug with a beard and shaved head but other times he looks like an emo pretty boy anime character who looks like an entirely different dude. DC cannot stay consistent with this dudes face
it just shows how DC doesn't have any idea of what doing with him... character design is part of the storytelling
Nowadays they sometimes even leave out his white hair. That's like one of his most iconic traits.
I feel like Red Hood should just be a stage in Jasons life. He goes from being the second bashful Robin, the orchestrating Villain who achieves what he wants through blood, then the vigilante anti hero that isnt afraid to put down his prey.. I feel like he needs a coming around arc. Jason needs help moving on
Jason’s growth is always being against the Batfam’s moral code because it never works. Either he needs to kill the Joker or leave Gotham because he’ll always be a stagnant character, since DC won’t kill the super villains and keep making do stupidly absurd crap.
Nah why all my favorite TH-camers dropping tonight 🙏🏾😩😩
Same, took a break from the Matpat stream to watch this
@@dazzlethestar151MatPat retired
Jason shouldn’t be a member of the Batfamily, their ideologies and methods conflict with each other. He should be a lone wolf, someone who operates outside of the GCPD and Batfamily like in Under The Red Hood
Preach, thats how he should be
He's the black sheep of the Batfamily. They can't have him at the mansion, yukking it up and sipping hot chocolate. He's not like the rest of them, but Batman and the family can't cut off his connection to Jason completely. He should be the one who never stays at the function for too long. He should really just operate in his own city.
@@joshjones9749 every Robin except Tim should be this way.
Grayson has Blüdhaven, Damian should be in Bialya since he's "a royal rotten Robin in an area that desperately needs a supehero" and Jason could be in Chicago or some equivalent.
@@Superlad9494 Jason in Chicago would actually be a really good fit.
@@joshjones9749 and terrifyingly accurate given how his main Bat-villain out of the original 3 super- villains is basically a bird-themed Al Capon.
Anyone that shots Damian has my respect, I'm a certified Damian hater
I believe the MAJORITY of dc fanbase are Damian haters don't let anyone tell you otherwise
not the stupid injustice thing or new 52 again
listen damian is a great character now
@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω dude first impressions are everything
Damian was introduced as a whiny, entitled, insufferable brat and the fans remember that and always been like that since the new 52 and people are so tired of reading anything about Damian "the shit" Wayne
Actually most fans just got tired of dealing of DCs bad decisions and awful writing
To me Damian is like the equivalent to the CW dc series yeah it's that bad
@@Nana-ng1kz damian has evolved since then not damian's fault people don't want
to know damian as he is today
Red Hood peaked in Red Hood and The Outlaws Rebirth with Artemis and Bizarro
Me personally I preferred his multiverse shenanigans with Kyle rayner and Donna troy
Including The following story Red Hood: Outlaw?
I remember Red Hood meet Reiser. The Kid has Doomsday Powers
@@abiodunsulaiman2297 I don't see a lot of people like countdown.
@@crowwithinternetservice countdown sucked but those parts were fun
Oh my God,I love reading that.
The entire DC canon is like this.
Red Hood is my favorite Dc character and it’s sad to see every time he shows up he’s character is always flip flopping
Jason is literally my favorite Robin and it kills me everytime i see one of his stories it's always flip flopping his progression of growth
Hear me out. Have red hood become a cowboy. Take advantage of what they did with reacher as well. Have him be a cowboy/reacher like character who rides a motorcycle and never stays in one place and is an outlaw: he faces different threats. 1 day cartel or gangs the next corrupt police the next day government etc. have him take on his own
Good idea 💡💡💡 for a tv show
There’s so much potential to dive deeper in his relationship with all the other bat family members. Like he can have more resentment towards Tim but they can try to build a relationship towards each other. Dick and Barbra
can have some more love towards Jason compared to Tim or Damien. Damien and him can be a brutality duo, where Jason even tempts Damien to kill. So much potential
Si siempre pensé que Jason y Damián deberían de llevarse bien pero por alguna razón no lo hacen
Red Hood gets screwed over due to the fact he makes Batman pointless. Jason is capable of killing villains without goimg full postal. Unlike batman who's terrified he wont stop. The other part of this that gets downplayed is the fact he is the most skilled of the family. No matter what Bruce says. Red hood has beat every major family member including Cass. He's also somehow the most emotionally mature.
nightwing has also beaten every member of the bat family plus deathstroke… jason doesnt compare to dick
Please in what reality is red hood more skilled in fact out of all them is the one who the least skilled recently but put him down and knightwing embarrassed his ass lol
Your fav Fan fics ≠ Canon bruh😂
I'm not saying DC doesn't make him a jobber, especially lately, but no way in hell can he beat Cass, one of the most skilled hand-to-hand combatants in the entire DC universe. That's not how that works bro...
I disagree with this whole post. Batman doesnt kill because he's worried he'll go postal. He doesn't kill because 1) he's a vigilante and extrajudicial killing is a horrible idea and 2) more importantly his parents were murdered, and Bruce will never inflict that evil on someone.
He's also absolutely not the most mature. Even when he's on his way to redemption, the effects of the Lazarus pit are still a struggle for him. He uses excessive force all the time and it causes a lot of damage.
I personally want him and Batman to reunite for good. Go through all the drama, and what have you, then just let them heal please.
My boy has been butchered in more ways than one. He's got a lot of (wasted) potential for more good stories but they don't/never utilize it properly. Decades of being here and yet he doesn't have that many good stories, not even a “must read” and that's just sad. Give him to a competent writer who genuinely likes and understands him and he'll be up there. It's pretty clear that DC either doesn't know what to do with him anymore or they just really don't gaf. Whnever they had chances to do MORE or atleast just SOMETHING with the character, they've always managed to miss every single time. Post-Crisis Jason is peak Jason.
It is SHOCKING how few good Jason Todd Red Hood stories actually exist beyond Under the Red Hood, he has had 5 different comic series dedicated to him and only one of them is actually good (Red Hood: The Lost Days). That being said, I don't understand the hate for Morrison's version of Red Hood from Red Hood fans. Just like in Under the Red Hood, he believes that he is what Batman should be like, acting as a great contrast for Dick Grayson's Batman and giving us the most interesting take on the character probably ever. Morrison also does a great job exploring the mind of Jason. It also serves as a metacommentary on the dark and edgy Batman-like characters with Jason believing that type of hero is the type of hero Gotham needs only for him to cause more problems. It's not even that out of character for Jason to take that turn, he always viewed himself as what Batman should be and was very willing to kill anyone who got in his way. I much prefer antagonist Jason to Anti-Hero Jason, especially since the anti-hero Jason barely has any good stories compared to Anti-Villain or Villain Jason, I feel he works best in an antagonistic role than Nightwing with Guns.
I never understood why people like New 52 Red Hood, there was only one good New 52 story with Red Hood as the focus and it was a single issue in Batman and Robin (Batman and Red Hood #20) and I just found it very hard to buy the idea of Bruce just allowing Jason to use guns. Sure he only allows him to target hands, knees and elbows but Batman has two rules, no killing and no guns and Jason breaks both of them on a frequent enough basis, it really doesn't make sense that Bruce accepts him into the BatFamily. The thing that makes it work better in that story though is that it's a story following Damian's recent death, putting Bruce in a bad headspace leading to him to doing a very out of character things where he fries the nerves in a man's hand, making him never able to use his hands again. The entire issue is Bruce angry over Damian's death and bringing Jason to where he died without his knowledge in order to get Jason to remember how he was brought back so that he can apply it to Damian, putting his own feelings over Jason, even attempting to guilt trip Jason into dredging up those painful memories. Bruce has an ulterior motive here and an angry Bruce teaming up with Red Hood and allowing him to use guns makes more sense than a normal Batman working with Red Hood and letting him use guns, especially since Jason is very much not against killing people.
The best Post-Flashpoint Red Hood story is Cheer, it's the only story that I think actually makes Anti-Hero Red Hood interesting and not just DC's Punisher. Jason actually has to face the consequences of killing people, whether he views it as a justified or not, and he's written with some actual emotion that isn't just edge. The problem is what followed wasn't very good. It just shows that in order to make Red Hood an anti-hero or more heroic or a member of the BatFamily you really have to remove the stuff that made Red Hood work originally and people don't like that. Anti-Hero or Hero Red Hood as a member of the BatFamily just doesn't work for me.
This is a true Post Crisis Red Hood enjoyer. If Post Crisis Red Hood was in modern DC, his mentality will always be proven right with how horrible Batman has become.
So correct
jason is a victim of comics refusing to commit to change and never ending their stories
I didn't realize Penguin actually survived that! I was thinking wow, DC actually just had Red Hood execute a named super villain. They aint afraid of giving him credibility, I'll give them that much. Hearing "didn't die, but not for a lack of trying" made me laugh, like Penguin is Wolverine, Deadpool or something...whose the DC equivalent? Plastic Man? Clay Face?
Jason and Nightwing in gotham knights are what Hawk and Dove shouldve been.
Dick and Jason reminds me ALOT of Leonardo and Raphael
Which would make Tim Drake Donatello and Damien Wayne Michaelangelo.
@@NisarKhan-jm1uhand Batman would be Splinter
🤔 I mean they are the most popular robins so it makes sense@@NisarKhan-jm1uh
@@NisarKhan-jm1uhDamian as Michaelangelo 😂😂😂
Never in my years dude NEVER
@@Nana-ng1kz😂
On N52 Red Hood and the Outlaws, the early issues have trained by All-Castle which made Jason being a pseudo Magic character as even his swords need blood to get strong but either Scott or DC hate the idea since All-Castle and Essence end up disapear from DC Lore.
The red hood nightwing rooftop Gotham knights scene is the best part of that game
Again, let ME write up a concept story for Red Hood. I swear I could come up with something definitive.
The animated film remains a god tier story and I’m afraid to touch anything else bc I don’t wanna see them mess with my boy
There are two ways Jason works. Either you make him a violent killer and a direct threat towards the Bat Family. OR you write him as a character that goes bad but works his way up to a better character and ally of the Bat Family. There should NEVER be any in between! If writers want a villainous Red Hood then give us a version that is pure evil while giving us an alternative version that is more heroic. The idea writes itself.
Jason could have been DC's answer to Venom or Speedball thats all about redemption into being a hero again or he could have been the eternal dark reminder of Batmans greatest failure as a villain but keeping him in between the two is doing nothing for him
@@MILDMONSTER1234 EXACTLY!!!!
Preach!
My favorite DC character has been completely chopped into squares, placed into a blender, thrown into a furnace, smelted into charcoal, grounded into dust, and mixed into a pile of shit. They absolutely massacred my boy!😭
He has the potential to be way more than what they've made him. We are talking about a Robin turned criminal here. He should be a major antagonist to the Bat Family as a whole. He knows their secret identities, their tactics, their technology. I hate how they just made him another ally instead of the anti-hero he was meant to be. He was the original Batman Who Laughs, the true Batman Who Laughs, he was the initial Batman and Joker mix, the better one. He was the Red Hood, but now, he and the Batman Who Laughs are one and the same. Edgelords.
Post-Under The Red Hood the character was pulled in so many different directions. He went from the young crime-lord poised overthrowing Black Mask, to “The Batman Who Kills” during the Morrison Era to Sylvester Stallone international mercenary with his band of Outlaws to working undercover back to being a vigilante with his outlaws then back to a crime-lord to working with Batman to take down Cheer to… whatever the fuck Gotham War did with him.
The character I feel needs to be retired, where he finally leaves Gotham and heads into hiding because the character is just haunted by this city. There’s not much they could do to change the character as it would again feel like a 180 of wherever he is in life.
At least your favorite character gets new books. Anarky hasn't gotten a new series in 20 years.
@@gfilmer7150 Yeah, DC just needs to do a hard reboot on his character and return him back to his crimelord era, his original depiction as the Red Hood, and explore that for a while with him being an antagonist to the Bat Family (not a villain).
@@Ash-Winchester I know of him but am not all that familiar with his character besides the basics like wanting to help save Gotham through the use of chaos.
@@tremel7336 Explore that, have him lose everything after he’s a Kingpin for a few years in our world then have the character go on a crisis that leads to him finally retiring.
Yeah, Zdarksy will never live down the whole Gotham War fiasco.
The inconsistency, man. He’s either an ugly incompetent whiny villain or a hot competent antihero jerk with a heart of gold dealing with trauma. He’s definitely the latter but the Jason haters at DC that often get their hands on him write him as the former. It’s maddening.
0:06, Redhood, Tim, A lot of cast of NTT especially Raven, Wondergirls to some degree, Connor Kent Superboy, etc. A lot of these characters have the same problem tbh.
As said multiple times that Red Hood and the Outlaws was prime Jason. It's the best way to write him. His team doing things their way.
2:50 this is why i want to play this game, don´t care what anybody says
It was pretty good.
I had a good time
Yh it got hate at first but ppl went back and was like "yk what, it's not too bad." I think ppl were just too mad that it wasnt another Arkham game and that it doesn't play like one
inconsistency from DC
I'M SHOCKED SHOCKED
(NOT)
Bro, you need to some kind of DC animated top 10 list or Batman animated movie top ten list. You know the comics and you know what actual good DC stories are. I would to hear your opinions.
Where's my man's fucking MOVIE AT DC
Red Hood, Damien and Batman have been going on the same story arcs for a couple years now
Such a shame we never got an Under the Red Hood live action movie, and that they've never bothered to build up the Batfamily.
Jason is another awful case of comic writers basically writing half a character. Similar to Peter Parker and Tony Stark, the current crop of writers only know and care about the characters up to exactly what they're assigned to write, but they have no actual ambitions for them. They don't change, they don't grow, nothing new or interesting really happens by the time the story is over. They're still stuck in that subpar space of quality where their best days are long gone and their potential is never fully realized again. It can really all be traced back to a lack of passionate writers.
I can't even blame DC for it, they wrote themselves into a corner.
Personally, I think he's one of batman's greatest villains but he became an antihero way too soon and he works VERY WELL as one.
Writers and fans want both but can't have both without making the character as flip-flopy as he is now.
Normally the solution would be to make a different character as a foil, but we already have enough Robins. (Also Ghost-Maker didn't make a splash.)
IMO, best shot is Elseworlds or Flashbacks. Establish that some comics are from different continuities (like the Ultimate universe) or from different points in the timeline (Batman Year One). In the main continuity, he can grow as a character. In the elseworlds, he can do whatever.
Remember Jason’s death effected bruce mentally and physically to the point where he was more violent with criminals, close to breaking his no kill rule, and almost started a war between the USA and Iran to get his hands on The Joker, he should operate as a crime boss to destroy crime systematically and help people through the money he gets running his organization kinda like Bruce does as a philanthropist since Jason looks up to Bruce Wayne and should be more accepted and love the bat family
That's the problem with comics.
Any character development is regressed for no reason other than cheap drama.
I love him,but he needs to be included more in more dc projects as robin first.They barely put him as Robin in a lot of dc projects, especially in animation.
My favorite Jason was the under the red hood movie he just seemed soo cool to me and that’s why I loved him out here regulating crime I just felt like his method seemed very smart instead of stopping crime regulate it plus it just made soo much sense why he wanted to kill the joker tbh it was just a perfect Jason movie to me
I enjoyed him pre-New 52. Ever since New 52, ehhhhhhh. Hit or miss. Loved his story in Batman and Robin, with Scarlet. His inclusion in Battle for the Cowl. His adventures with Artemis (that’s Rebirth but whatever). Hated Titans. Talk about missing the point of a character
I'm surprised Red Hood hasn't gotten the Punisher treatment. Lifted trucks and blue lines would probably love a romanticized Red Hood.
Because Jason appeals more to teenagers and emo girls who want to fix him rather then appealing to cops. Frank is more of an older father everyman whos fallen type where as Jason has that emo bad boy whos hot vibe that teens love
@MILDMONSTER1234 My favorite character is Machine Man, who does he normally attract? Guys like me?
I was literally thinking that Red Hood has the Punisher "problem". Basically, in any story he is in you have to make up new "fodder" villians to kill if you want to keep him killing villians or you have to have him stop killing villians.
@@tonyjohnson1580 Imagine if they made him silly like Peacemaker.
Or give him a immortal villain@@tonyjohnson1580
18:01 Oh my gosh, you left out the worst part of Gotham War! The scene where Bruce kidnaps Jason and drugs him with Fear Toxin that's supposedly permanent so that his son could never rebel against him again.
The character assassination in Gotham War was off the charts 🤦♀
If he has no No-Kill-Rule then that is a problem if he in Gotham
Ya Jason in the comics he keeps relapsing which just feels like family drama at this point.
Honestly I'd prefer he be a full on anti hero without needing to be involved with bats or villain because how bitterness he is towards the batfamilies crusade especially Bruce
I think Jason works better as Anti-villain than Villain. As Villian, he becomes really repetitive. As Anti-Villian, he seems to be happy and get a normal life ... Close to normal life that Amazon from Bana-Mighdall and vigilante that was trained by Assassins can be.
I think one of the funniest things is how whenever there's a huge event or crisis jason knows to stay the hell away
I had hoped that you would mention Grayson's crowbar joke.
I heard the idea of making Jason help Harley transform into a antihero and help with atonement for her
Unlike Dick Grayson, who was Batman's Greatest Success, Jason Todd really is *Batman's Greatest Failure* . Jason is one of Batman lore's most exciting and complex characters. I love his philosophy of showing Batman how his method is flawed and how when he came back, he wasn't broken by the fact that Bruce didn't save him, but Jason was indeed broken, and Batman never avenged his death by killing the Joker. I really hope writers figure out a good way to utilise Jason again because, in recent comics, it seems like DC editorial doesn't know what to do with him since they always try to make him a constant anti-hero but don't seem to give Jason any exciting stories and sort of make him feel less relevant. One thing about Jason I love the most is how he follows his instincts and how he applies his trauma and survival skills to ensure no one else suffers through the same broken system and abuse he did before meeting Batman or becoming Robin and growing up in a life of poverty with a terrible father and mother that abandoned him and used him.
That story of red hood showing up on batman is boring though.
The thing is “Batman’s greatest failure” means it’s Batman who is the failure that messed up by failing to do right by Jason, Jason isn’t the failure. Fan always misinterpret that quote.
UtRD is probably my favorite animated superhero movie. Crazy that there’s no project that embodies Jason Todd better than that
I actually really liked gotham knights giving red hood a magic edge. My big issue was that they didnt go far enough with it. Give him a glowing red ghost arm to replace the limbs he lost in the explosion. Give him a healing factor. Make him see dead people. Pair him off with zatanna and constantine.
It would fit his backstory and character so well.
And like with all things regarding Jason, they took away that development.
The magic Robin thing has kinda gone to Damian now. Even Batman 666 had a healing factor.
That is what I am saying.
This man thinks
Hearing you describe Gotham War reminded me why I stopped reading mainline Batman.
Jason Todd's character really shines in the first 50 issues of the red hood and the outlaws rebirth comics. They're honestly really good.
Red hood’s portrayal in Titans was one of the worst character assassinations I’ve ever seen
Honestly, the route I would take with Jason is him being an antagonist to the Batfamily most of the time, because while they want the same thing, they have different methods. But at the end of the day, still being family when it really matters. Similar to the Task Force Z story, more or less.
Writers just plain suck these days.
Stuff like this is why I don’t really bother with being caught up with comics on a weekly basis anymore, and only read a run after it’s finished and heard good things about it.
My head canon actually wants Red hood to become DC bat family member magic user.
Combine
Lost days
All caste
Into one canon
Then make him the magic detective. Underworld mystic and grounded stories.
So Easy man
Red Hood and the Outlaws with Bizarro and Artemis was great, will never understand why DC killed this. Retcon punch will always be the shit LMAO
Honestly treat him similar to shadow not edgy for the sake of being edgy but have him be a realist or foil to the bat family as well due to him being angry and bitter anything related to Batman.
And have him kill some of the major villains not S their but maybe A or B tier villains with 0 fucks given, like if Batman tires to talk jason out of killing a villain he pulls the trigger anyway mind sentence showing talk no jitsu doesn't work
Especially keep his beef with Tim.
Lastly have him be top 2 or 3 best fighter
I've said it before and I will say it again. DC only cares about Batman and joker
I totally forgot that basically Caddicarus was Titans’ Scarecrow😂😂😂
Bruh
They don't give him to the writers best suited for him, like a Jeff Lemire, a Ram V, a Tom King, or maybe hiring a writer like Rick Remender to a Black Label miniseries.
Also, it's kinda weird to not have him involved with Talia or in a tentative partnership with Waller.
However, I don't think that Jason should ever really be completely fine with Bruce. Jason literally proves Bruce's "No Killing" ideology is false, yet Bruce has him on the tightest leash. Bruce has proven that he simply refuses to trust Jason, and his ready beat him into submission at a moments notice. Jason helping the Bat Family? Sure. Jason actually being comfortable around them (besides Alfred, Cassandra and maybe Babs)? Nah.
The Joker also needs to go a long break, so just let Jason kill him.
*Jason Todd: The Redhead step child* of the Bat-Family.
If DC writers dont know what else to do with Red Hood, then the folks in charge need to either retire Jason Todd or have him go on break until DC can get a good writer who can handle the character and not repeat the same concepts.
7:44 I want to see this get animated
Jason peaked after becoming Red Hood but that's sadly because the writers keep reshuffling his story instead of making something original like what they did with Robin becoming Nightwing.
I personally enjoy the outlaws in new 52 and most of rebirth also my favorite bat-family dynamic in the bat-family is Tim Drake and Jason Todd underrated dynamic, Jason Todd and Tim Drake in the comics have some my favorite interactions in the bat-family a good example is them eating together in the new 52 and knight terrors Robin those are the two I think of first but yeah I feel Tim Drake and Jason Todd have it the worst out of bat-family when it comes to how their used in comics.
It's a hot take and not many people really agree with it, but it would have been fine if Jason became a villain.
It is just strange to me how a character who is considered one of Batman's biggest failures and someone that goes around using guns on top of not being okay with Batman's code just continues to team up with him. He clearly doesn't work as an anti hero, simply because of DC's refusal to kill off super villains. But he always has to be at odds with Batman and the Bat family. It's better off if he just became a villain. It would have been fine if he offers a philosophical challenge to Batman, Tim Drake, or Nightwing with the added advantage of him knowing their moves because of Batman training to counter them and create problems. I also personally like the idea of him having a moral decay and getting worse as a person, further proving that Batman's way was correct and "it always starts with one". They can keep Jason killing people that everyone seems to like all the while making his lack of success have a point.
Either way, regardless of what people may feel, we are all in agreement they need to go in one direction with him - whether as a villain or a full blown hero.
I agree with you he should be a villain
Agreed
Thank you he should be an anti-villain, stop trying to make him a anti-hero. He does things his way while also having morality.
But what I disagree with is making Batman right. that character does not need his ego nor his fans wanked anymore because of how god awful his moral code is (they completely messed up his stance on crime in the comics). Especially since other Batmen who killed made Gotham a safer place in alternative universes.
Batman needs his code reworked to be back what it used to be like in Long Halloween, or the animated series. But that won’t happen because Joker would be killed for all the stupid crap the writers make him do.
@@PostCrisisRHis moral is just okay and this is batman who once carried DC on his back when books weren't selling what has red hood even done or punisher absolutely nothing so batman deserves or the wank lol
@@dumisaniphiri Because Batman is the only character they can do because the writers go all edgy in the stories, and DC keeps pushing this when it ruins his character.
This is the same market that don’t understand Superman as a character and think he’s boring because he’s powerful, when he’s far from being boring. The greatest Superman stories quite literally wash the majority of the Batman wank slop on the daily.
Batman is overwanked because they just focus their attention on to him, which in turn makes him a worse characters than what he used to be. DC priorities Batman because he’s easier for casual readers to relate to than actually trying to faithfully adapt Superman.
You want to talk sales? Marvel is doing way better than DC is despite the fact both are horribly written. You people are reason Batman has so many haters than fans.
This is why red hood never fight the heroes in young justice
Also it’s a small thing but how weak is his mask or helmet they always shatter when he’s in a fight
5:28 were is that meme from ?
I know my guy did not really say "The Hood Is Back!" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
What are your thoughts on absolute batman?
12:06 Honestly THIS is my redhood and the outlaws!
Let redhood be redhood and just stick with it already! Why is this a hard concept to figure out!
……Now does DC have a catwoman problem?
10:44 I wish he was in the dcamu
you should do a wasp video, she had been disrespected
I hate Urban Legends with a passion. It undid all the development Jason went through and healing he has done. I just stuck to future state and RAO vol 1 and 2. Imo Red Hoods arc ended with Scott Lobdell
Rebirth Outlaws was the best time to be a Red Hood fan. If they actually cared about character growth I feel in time Jason could have been Batman.
Under the red hood comic is just weird but the movie is always rewatchable
The comic was a lot more faithful to Jason’s character than the film
Yeah this is ridiculous 🥱🤦♂️
Ngl, if I was Jason during the Gotham War and Batman mind controlled me into losing my ability to even defend myself... I would never forgive Bruce, Zur personally or not.
Bout time, been waiting for bro to talk avout Red Hood 🍿
Make a video on disrespect on red tornado animation and live action
They should 'ship Red Hood and Ravager, and give them a duo book together.
they should ship him with Artemis, then bring back Bizaro so we can get Dark Trinity again
Catwoman next please 🙏
Jason is perfect when he's headlining an Outsiders/Outlaws type of book. He had his beef with Batman, they get over it, and now he puts his skills to work handling dirtier business that the League or the the main Bat-Family can't touch. It should be that simple.
DC always doing my poor baby Red Hood so dirty.