Honestly, Jason Todd is probably the only person who can kill the Joker without any consequences whatsoever (Ironically, if you consider the narrative that vengeance is empty and has consequences). We've seen Batman kill Joker and it ended badly for him at best, and the world at worst. We've seen Superman kill the Joker and that went horribly for everyone involved in the long term(Literally nobody minded that Superman killed Joker in Injustice, it's just everything Superman does afterwards that causes a massive schism). I honestly can't see anything go wrong if Jason Todd just kills The Joker. If Joker tries to goad Batman or Superman or any other major Justice League member into killing him he'd likely have a backup plan. But I really doubt Joker would actually prepare one for Jason Todd specifically, Jason doesn't really care about Joker's philosophical leverage of someone killing him, like he has over Batman or Superman.
Can’t forget the mental gymnastics for why Batman hasn’t locked him up after all this time. I get that it’s his son, but this is also the same man who’s always been far more committed to his mission and genuine goals of rehabilitation over his more emotional feelings, to the degree that his obsession to his mission had him conquer the binds of f*cking time itself
It's not even that hard. Just kill Joker, make it a big event, the death of a clown! And have Jason Todd do it, or Clown Killer, whoever. Have a focus issues on the would be Joker killers who didn't get to do it. Revenge against attempts by the two people upset that Joker's gone. Show how much Gotham/Earth has changed for the better without Joker...and then, after a year or five, bring Joker back. But Joker's different now. He died, he didn't like being dead. He's not going to do the same things that got him dead.
He’s desperately in need of a good writer. Feels like he’s never had a “must read” run outside of the initial debut in Under the Hood. My main complaint is that it seems no one really knows what to do with him, or how to commit.
@@C.R.Cole331 it doesn’t help that he’s just wildly different even in books happening concurrently. Like take the New 52, where he abides by Bruce’s no kill rule…but only does so in Batman books. Cause in the Outlaws or others’ books he is more than cool killing whoever he wants
I feel like it would be cool if Jason leaves Gotham and travels the country or world, stopping crime where ever he goes, inspiring the locals to fight against injustice.
They don't give him to the writers best suited for him, like a Jeff Lemire, a Ram V, a Tom King, or maybe hiring a writer like Rick Remender to a Black Label miniseries. Also, it's kinda weird to not have him involved with Talia or in a tentative partnership with Waller.
It really is a shame that DC just doesn't know what to do with Jason. He's got a lot of potential for good stories but it's never properly utilised or seen.
Just started the video but MAN, it breaks my heart whenever I think about what they've done to him. The constant back and forth between killing and not killing, and the overall death of his mystique and character because they REFUSE to let him grow and get over his trauma. The theme of a Deadman slowly coming to grips and learning how to be human again is such an easy layup like wtf 😭😭😭
Crazy how the best part of gotham knights is the cutscenes and not the gameplay, the true definitive experience I really like the characterization in it
@@Watch-0w1 I think the gameplay is technically fine. I think the major issue with Knight’s gameplay is the level design. It is not nearly as tight and interesting as City’s. Granted, I think the tank-play is pretty f*cking boring. I’ll never defend the tank. It’s some of the easiest combat I’ve ever come across in a triple-A game
Red Hoods major issue is that DC can't give him a consistent face lol, seriously sometimes he thug with a beard and shaved head but other times he looks like an emo pretty boy anime character who looks like an entirely different dude. DC cannot stay consistent with this dudes face
There’s so much potential to dive deeper in his relationship with all the other bat family members. Like he can have more resentment towards Tim but they can try to build a relationship towards each other. Dick and Barbra can have some more love towards Jason compared to Tim or Damien. Damien and him can be a brutality duo, where Jason even tempts Damien to kill. So much potential
I unironically would like to see him interact more with Cass Since they’re both at the complete opposite of the bat spectrum With Cass being the most dedicated to Batman’s rules in general
The fact that Harley Quinn got her own animated series before red hood or nightwing is down right criminal. Red hood had been getting done dirty all because of the writers need to maintain the status quo and keep things the same. Everything about his character is rip with potential from his tragic backstory ,to his moral philosophy and complicated relationship with batman and the batfamily. It would be interesting to see Red hood clash with the batfamily over there methods of justice. To See him fight with Tim due to resentment over being replaced. I also would like to see his relationship with Damien develop as they are very much a like and i feel they would get along and like eachother very much.
The inconsistency, man. He’s either an ugly incompetent whiny villain or a hot competent antihero jerk with a heart of gold dealing with trauma. He’s definitely the latter but the Jason haters at DC that often get their hands on him write him as the former. It’s maddening.
18:01 Oh my gosh, you left out the worst part of Gotham War! The scene where Bruce kidnaps Jason and drugs him with Fear Toxin that's supposedly permanent so that his son could never rebel against him again. The character assassination in Gotham War was off the charts 🤦♀
Still forever strange how Jason’s legacy as Robin is changed after his death, as it seemed that no one in-universe remembered him as even competent. He didn’t even get remembered as a Titan, despite the fact that he was a solid member who helped save the world against Blood And P.S. Arkham Jason still hot a**. Shall we collectively forget that game’s story
DC loves pushing the agenda that he was a horrible Robin who wasn’t fit to be one. When Tim was Robin, they constantly did shots at Jason’s character. Now that Jason has a set personality, he can’t work in mainline comics because he’d kill everyone causing trouble and Gotham would undoubtedly get better.
@@PostCrisisRH well not entirely. Because even before Tim was brought on, the books were just all in on trashing on Jason. Jim Sterling was infamous for not liking the character, and quite literally has Batman blaming Todd for his own death when he finds his body during Death of The Family. Like god damn Bruce, at least bury the kid before you start taking your shots😂😂
@@joeker5208 Yeah they kept dissing him even before Tim, but they were very vocal about it with Tim. Constantly saying if he dies he fails, taking so many potshots at Jason lmao
@@PostCrisisRHThe fact that people push the idea that Jason could just magically fix gotham by murdering all the criminals is fucking insane and is why I feel like I have this need to be embarrassed or clarify my position every time I say I like the character
@@ellieporter3270 I’m mainly referring to modern DC comics gotham, which most of the storylines in it is just the Joker causing problems. The whole “corruption in the root of Gotham” barely gets anything anymore it’s literally just the Joker doing mass murders. Killing most of the rogues would fix like a good 75% of the problems. And its funny because an alternate universe with a Batman who did kill his rogues showed that Gotham got safer lmao.
Red Hood is like Hush. A character tailored to work in one specific masterfully written story (Under the Red Hood movie), but never anywhere else because the writers don’t know what to do with him. Keeping him around means that he would’ve killed the Joker by now, but DC and Marvel are scared of permanent consequences. If their universes worked like Invincible’s, where it’s a single linear timeline of events in which character progression and events actually mattered, this wouldn’t be an issue
And it’s not like Joker’s role in Jason’s life can be retconned like when they removed Two-Face killing Jason’s Dad to his Dad being a lifer in prison who worked for The Penguin.
The comic was better than the film. Jason’s motivations were clear, calculated, and he did things purposefully while the film made him some whiny teenager just trying to get Bruce’s attention. The film also deliberately tried erasing why Jason got captured and pushes the notion that he was careless and violent. Jason didn’t obsess over the Joker because he had his own empire to build, he only did so towards the end to just clear the air, and the ultimatum with Bruce was one of the best moments in comic history.
That's literally the point and main concept of Invincible. Kirkman made it as a "What if a superhero comic series was not an endless overly ongoing series like most mainstream comics and has proper continuity and seamless stories"
@@corysmith564 Yes! That’s how it always should be! It’s time for DC and Marvel to get with the times. Long time comic fans are exhausted of endless nonsense, we want proper storytelling with a beginning, middle and end for every character so stories can actually matter
@@dc7981the only competent writing team Damian got was Tomasi and Gleason, nobody else besides those two understand how to write damian as good as they can
I feel like Red Hood should just be a stage in Jasons life. He goes from being the second bashful Robin, the orchestrating Villain who achieves what he wants through blood, then the vigilante anti hero that isnt afraid to put down his prey.. I feel like he needs a coming around arc. Jason needs help moving on
Jason’s growth is always being against the Batfam’s moral code because it never works. Either he needs to kill the Joker or leave Gotham because he’ll always be a stagnant character, since DC won’t kill the super villains and keep making do stupidly absurd crap.
they would need to have Bruce not be a neglectful dick for a while and maybe jason could get some good characterization. we rlly need to start lookiung at how bats is writtin in relation to the robins, thats the big issue
Well technically he was getting that with the dark trinity in the outlaws. Allowed him to grow outside of Gotham, off planet, with other dc characters.
RedHood being an Antagonist to the Batfamily is fine, in my opinion. The issue is: there's no actual conflict of ideals. It's just the "Killing is Good!!" And Batman's "Killing is Bad!", Then you have RedHood beat up The Batfamily like a Drunk Man. Writers & Actors state in order to truly encapsulate a character, you have to see their point, so you can make them believable. RedHood should be an Antagonist to The Batfamily, but not someone who's actively attacking them. It should be that for the most part, he's actually defending himself from them. RedHood should have a Journey in controlling underground crime, not that he starts controlling crime immediately. That's a Jump. RedHood should also have some stories where he does have a point, a story where his moral dilemma feels correct.
Wow finally someone mentioning the fact that pre new 52 post red hood story arc Jason wasnt even an anti hero dude was just a straight up villain. Its like the entire community wants to forget all that stuff even happened 😂
Hear me out. Have red hood become a cowboy. Take advantage of what they did with reacher as well. Have him be a cowboy/reacher like character who rides a motorcycle and never stays in one place and is an outlaw: he faces different threats. 1 day cartel or gangs the next corrupt police the next day government etc. have him take on his own
Jason shouldn’t be a member of the Batfamily, their ideologies and methods conflict with each other. He should be a lone wolf, someone who operates outside of the GCPD and Batfamily like in Under The Red Hood
He's the black sheep of the Batfamily. They can't have him at the mansion, yukking it up and sipping hot chocolate. He's not like the rest of them, but Batman and the family can't cut off his connection to Jason completely. He should be the one who never stays at the function for too long. He should really just operate in his own city.
@@joshjones9749 every Robin except Tim should be this way. Grayson has Blüdhaven, Damian should be in Bialya since he's "a royal rotten Robin in an area that desperately needs a supehero" and Jason could be in Chicago or some equivalent.
Stuff like this is why I don’t really bother with being caught up with comics on a weekly basis anymore, and only read a run after it’s finished and heard good things about it.
I didn't realize Penguin actually survived that! I was thinking wow, DC actually just had Red Hood execute a named super villain. They aint afraid of giving him credibility, I'll give them that much. Hearing "didn't die, but not for a lack of trying" made me laugh, like Penguin is Wolverine, Deadpool or something...whose the DC equivalent? Plastic Man? Clay Face?
Penguin survived that because Jason shot him with a blank... but since it was at very close range, he still lost an eye (something that has been a permanent fixture ever since, even in other titles like "Batman" during Tom King's run, Catwoman, Batgirl, etc etc...) and the head trauma made him forget the identities of Red Hood & Batman, that he had deduced right before Jason shot him in the face. Convenient, but less unbelievable than surviving a headshot from a real bullet.
@@randallflagg3700 Yeah, that makes sense. Should have had Jason just say "it was a blank" as soon as Batman showed up, and have Batman just back off glowering, though.
Remember Jason’s death effected bruce mentally and physically to the point where he was more violent with criminals, close to breaking his no kill rule, and almost started a war between the USA and Iran to get his hands on The Joker, he should operate as a crime boss to destroy crime systematically and help people through the money he gets running his organization kinda like Bruce does as a philanthropist since Jason looks up to Bruce Wayne and should be more accepted and love the bat family
Jason is another awful case of comic writers basically writing half a character. Similar to Peter Parker and Tony Stark, the current crop of writers only know and care about the characters up to exactly what they're assigned to write, but they have no actual ambitions for them. They don't change, they don't grow, nothing new or interesting really happens by the time the story is over. They're still stuck in that subpar space of quality where their best days are long gone and their potential is never fully realized again. It can really all be traced back to a lack of passionate writers.
Honestly, the route I would take with Jason is him being an antagonist to the Batfamily most of the time, because while they want the same thing, they have different methods. But at the end of the day, still being family when it really matters. Similar to the Task Force Z story, more or less.
I love him,but he needs to be included more in more dc projects as robin first.They barely put him as Robin in a lot of dc projects, especially in animation.
It is SHOCKING how few good Jason Todd Red Hood stories actually exist beyond Under the Red Hood, he has had 5 different comic series dedicated to him and only one of them is actually good (Red Hood: The Lost Days). That being said, I don't understand the hate for Morrison's version of Red Hood from Red Hood fans. Just like in Under the Red Hood, he believes that he is what Batman should be like, acting as a great contrast for Dick Grayson's Batman and giving us the most interesting take on the character probably ever. Morrison also does a great job exploring the mind of Jason. It also serves as a metacommentary on the dark and edgy Batman-like characters with Jason believing that type of hero is the type of hero Gotham needs only for him to cause more problems. It's not even that out of character for Jason to take that turn, he always viewed himself as what Batman should be and was very willing to kill anyone who got in his way. I much prefer antagonist Jason to Anti-Hero Jason, especially since the anti-hero Jason barely has any good stories compared to Anti-Villain or Villain Jason, I feel he works best in an antagonistic role than Nightwing with Guns. I never understood why people like New 52 Red Hood, there was only one good New 52 story with Red Hood as the focus and it was a single issue in Batman and Robin (Batman and Red Hood #20) and I just found it very hard to buy the idea of Bruce just allowing Jason to use guns. Sure he only allows him to target hands, knees and elbows but Batman has two rules, no killing and no guns and Jason breaks both of them on a frequent enough basis, it really doesn't make sense that Bruce accepts him into the BatFamily. The thing that makes it work better in that story though is that it's a story following Damian's recent death, putting Bruce in a bad headspace leading to him to doing a very out of character things where he fries the nerves in a man's hand, making him never able to use his hands again. The entire issue is Bruce angry over Damian's death and bringing Jason to where he died without his knowledge in order to get Jason to remember how he was brought back so that he can apply it to Damian, putting his own feelings over Jason, even attempting to guilt trip Jason into dredging up those painful memories. Bruce has an ulterior motive here and an angry Bruce teaming up with Red Hood and allowing him to use guns makes more sense than a normal Batman working with Red Hood and letting him use guns, especially since Jason is very much not against killing people. The best Post-Flashpoint Red Hood story is Cheer, it's the only story that I think actually makes Anti-Hero Red Hood interesting and not just DC's Punisher. Jason actually has to face the consequences of killing people, whether he views it as a justified or not, and he's written with some actual emotion that isn't just edge. The problem is what followed wasn't very good. It just shows that in order to make Red Hood an anti-hero or more heroic or a member of the BatFamily you really have to remove the stuff that made Red Hood work originally and people don't like that. Anti-Hero or Hero Red Hood as a member of the BatFamily just doesn't work for me.
This is a true Post Crisis Red Hood enjoyer. If Post Crisis Red Hood was in modern DC, his mentality will always be proven right with how horrible Batman has become.
Preach! My favorite DC character has been completely chopped into squares, placed into a blender, thrown into a furnace, smelted into charcoal, grounded into dust, and mixed into a pile of shit. They absolutely massacred my boy!😭 He has the potential to be way more than what they've made him. We are talking about a Robin turned criminal here. He should be a major antagonist to the Bat Family as a whole. He knows their secret identities, their tactics, their technology. I hate how they just made him another ally instead of the anti-hero he was meant to be. He was the original Batman Who Laughs, the true Batman Who Laughs, he was the initial Batman and Joker mix, the better one. He was the Red Hood, but now, he and the Batman Who Laughs are one and the same. Edgelords.
Post-Under The Red Hood the character was pulled in so many different directions. He went from the young crime-lord poised overthrowing Black Mask, to “The Batman Who Kills” during the Morrison Era to Sylvester Stallone international mercenary with his band of Outlaws to working undercover back to being a vigilante with his outlaws then back to a crime-lord to working with Batman to take down Cheer to… whatever the fuck Gotham War did with him. The character I feel needs to be retired, where he finally leaves Gotham and heads into hiding because the character is just haunted by this city. There’s not much they could do to change the character as it would again feel like a 180 of wherever he is in life.
@@gfilmer7150 Yeah, DC just needs to do a hard reboot on his character and return him back to his crimelord era, his original depiction as the Red Hood, and explore that for a while with him being an antagonist to the Bat Family (not a villain).
@@Ash-Winchester I know of him but am not all that familiar with his character besides the basics like wanting to help save Gotham through the use of chaos.
@@tremel7336 Explore that, have him lose everything after he’s a Kingpin for a few years in our world then have the character go on a crisis that leads to him finally retiring.
My boy has been butchered in more ways than one. He's got a lot of (wasted) potential for more good stories but they don't/never utilize it properly. Decades of being here and yet he doesn't have that many good stories, not even a “must read” and that's just sad. Give him to a competent writer who genuinely likes and understands him and he'll be up there. It's pretty clear that DC either doesn't know what to do with him anymore or they just really don't gaf. Whnever they had chances to do MORE or atleast just SOMETHING with the character, they've always managed to miss every single time. Post-Crisis Jason is peak Jason.
Jason's story has so much potential they can make it revolve around his relationship of Red Hood and the people of Crime Alley where he got his beginnings, talk about growing up in poverty or raised by addicts, explore him in the leagues of assassin or on the suicide squad or explore more supernatural elements since a comic writer decided to give him the all blades once and its never been explained or brought up again but this would all need to have actually good writers capable of writing fully fleshed background and main characters. Also who decided to give him a crowbar for a weapon
I think Red Hood should be closer on the evil side, but still make him as an anti-hero. Make him a character with a lot of glaring flaws. I think there should be times that he tries, but for the most part- after his resurrection especially, he should be someone that was blacklisted from the bat family. Make most people consider him an anti-hero/criminal, let him be an ACTUAL outlaw.
@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω dude first impressions are everything Damian was introduced as a whiny, entitled, insufferable brat and the fans remember that and always been like that since the new 52 and people are so tired of reading anything about Damian "the shit" Wayne Actually most fans just got tired of dealing of DCs bad decisions and awful writing To me Damian is like the equivalent to the CW dc series yeah it's that bad
@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω agreed, the current Batman and Robin run, Boy Wonder, and his team up with Wonder Woman have done a lot to start bringing his character around
Red Hood gets screwed over due to the fact he makes Batman pointless. Jason is capable of killing villains without goimg full postal. Unlike batman who's terrified he wont stop. The other part of this that gets downplayed is the fact he is the most skilled of the family. No matter what Bruce says. Red hood has beat every major family member including Cass. He's also somehow the most emotionally mature.
Please in what reality is red hood more skilled in fact out of all them is the one who the least skilled recently but put him down and knightwing embarrassed his ass lol
I'm not saying DC doesn't make him a jobber, especially lately, but no way in hell can he beat Cass, one of the most skilled hand-to-hand combatants in the entire DC universe. That's not how that works bro...
I disagree with this whole post. Batman doesnt kill because he's worried he'll go postal. He doesn't kill because 1) he's a vigilante and extrajudicial killing is a horrible idea and 2) more importantly his parents were murdered, and Bruce will never inflict that evil on someone. He's also absolutely not the most mature. Even when he's on his way to redemption, the effects of the Lazarus pit are still a struggle for him. He uses excessive force all the time and it causes a lot of damage.
There are two ways Jason works. Either you make him a violent killer and a direct threat towards the Bat Family. OR you write him as a character that goes bad but works his way up to a better character and ally of the Bat Family. There should NEVER be any in between! If writers want a villainous Red Hood then give us a version that is pure evil while giving us an alternative version that is more heroic. The idea writes itself.
Jason could have been DC's answer to Venom or Speedball thats all about redemption into being a hero again or he could have been the eternal dark reminder of Batmans greatest failure as a villain but keeping him in between the two is doing nothing for him
0:06, Redhood, Tim, A lot of cast of NTT especially Raven, Wondergirls to some degree, Connor Kent Superboy, etc. A lot of these characters have the same problem tbh.
The best version of the Jason/Batman dynamic was when he was The Red Hood versus Dick with the Dynamic vs. Death Duo. It perfectly mirrored The Killing Joke, while adding tragedy that they were metaphorical brothers doing the same mission to honor their father(s). It's just that each pair of orphans did the most extreme versions of those missions.
We need a Red Hood solo film and Solo rated M game asap, matter of fact a Red Hood game after arkham knight would've been so good for all of ours health
I actually really liked gotham knights giving red hood a magic edge. My big issue was that they didnt go far enough with it. Give him a glowing red ghost arm to replace the limbs he lost in the explosion. Give him a healing factor. Make him see dead people. Pair him off with zatanna and constantine. It would fit his backstory and character so well.
And like with all things regarding Jason, they took away that development. The magic Robin thing has kinda gone to Damian now. Even Batman 666 had a healing factor.
I think Jason works better as Anti-villain than Villain. As Villian, he becomes really repetitive. As Anti-Villian, he seems to be happy and get a normal life ... Close to normal life that Amazon from Bana-Mighdall and vigilante that was trained by Assassins can be.
And this is one of the reasons why I read Wayne Family Adventures. Red Hood is an active part of the Bat Family, he has much healthier relationships with all of them, and he's been allowed to work through his trauma and PTSD. He still uses guns but they don't go into detail as to whether or not they're non-lethal rounds (though I assume the latter), and when he's taking down human opponents, it's usually with melee attacks. He restricts the shooting to robots and such. That's where his character should be when he's allowed to grow and move forward, though his appearance in the Outlaws works for me too.
Bro, you need to some kind of DC animated top 10 list or Batman animated movie top ten list. You know the comics and you know what actual good DC stories are. I would to hear your opinions.
IMO Jason's best story is actually Wayne Family Adventures. Not even joking, it may not be canon but it's honestly the best characterization he's gotten post Under the Red Hood. The compelling and realistic way it portrays his PTSD over being killed in such a brutal way, his dynamic with the rest of the family, and how it shows the way both the bat family and his friends in the outlaws help keep him grounded. If anyone's a Red Hood fan looking for actual character growth from him you should 100% give Wayne Family Adventures a chance.
I can't stand when people view Jason as a full blown villain, that's not Jason. I view him as the black sheep of the Batfamily but got everyone's backs despite having different ideals and morals. I also view Jason as a protector for the lost and innocent so he has a caring nature towards kids. I'd love to see a story where it explore his vulnerabilities and mental state when a child he got attached to (could be the Blue Hood kid) gone missing because of a human trafficking ring. Jason would be more frustrated, manic and brutal as the story goes on. The rest of the Batfamily would be like "whoa we'll find him" Jason being Jason, he doesn't give a f other than finding the child.. in my opinion, that'd be a great story to read and It'll build on his character
On N52 Red Hood and the Outlaws, the early issues have trained by All-Castle which made Jason being a pseudo Magic character as even his swords need blood to get strong but either Scott or DC hate the idea since All-Castle and Essence end up disapear from DC Lore.
Jason is perfect when he's headlining an Outsiders/Outlaws type of book. He had his beef with Batman, they get over it, and now he puts his skills to work handling dirtier business that the League or the the main Bat-Family can't touch. It should be that simple.
Again, Batman: Wayne Family Adventures is doing these characters justice. It portrays Jason as a more cool-headed hero who loves his family. But he also suffers from severe PTSD from what the Joker put him through. His arcs are genuinely good.
@x._3347 no, it isn't. These modern directors literally never tried. The only reason it seems difficult is because it's one of the campier elements of Batman. Hollywood is only obsessed with portraying Batman as a dark and brooding lone wolf who's always depressed about the death of his parents. It's boring, and means we will never get any of the iconic stories where Batman has the Batfamily.
Ngl, if I was Jason during the Gotham War and Batman mind controlled me into losing my ability to even defend myself... I would never forgive Bruce, Zur personally or not.
Yh it got hate at first but ppl went back and was like "yk what, it's not too bad." I think ppl were just too mad that it wasnt another Arkham game and that it doesn't play like one
Exactly it's a damn good game I enjoy every single part of it and I played it over and over again I don't give a rat's ass what anybody want to say about it
Unlike Dick Grayson, who was Batman's Greatest Success, Jason Todd really is *Batman's Greatest Failure* . Jason is one of Batman lore's most exciting and complex characters. I love his philosophy of showing Batman how his method is flawed and how when he came back, he wasn't broken by the fact that Bruce didn't save him, but Jason was indeed broken, and Batman never avenged his death by killing the Joker. I really hope writers figure out a good way to utilise Jason again because, in recent comics, it seems like DC editorial doesn't know what to do with him since they always try to make him a constant anti-hero but don't seem to give Jason any exciting stories and sort of make him feel less relevant. One thing about Jason I love the most is how he follows his instincts and how he applies his trauma and survival skills to ensure no one else suffers through the same broken system and abuse he did before meeting Batman or becoming Robin and growing up in a life of poverty with a terrible father and mother that abandoned him and used him.
The thing is “Batman’s greatest failure” means it’s Batman who is the failure that messed up by failing to do right by Jason, Jason isn’t the failure. Fan always misinterpret that quote.
I enjoyed him pre-New 52. Ever since New 52, ehhhhhhh. Hit or miss. Loved his story in Batman and Robin, with Scarlet. His inclusion in Battle for the Cowl. His adventures with Artemis (that’s Rebirth but whatever). Hated Titans. Talk about missing the point of a character
I kinda wonder why they haven't tried pushing a storyline of Red Hood trying to prove he's superior to Robin. I was watching some clips from Gotham Knights since I didn't know that much of the game and was curious after seeing them here, I saw one clip that made me think, "Really?". It was Jason and Tim working on Jason's firearms together, TLDR Jason's guns are built to inflict more damage to enemies, Tim questions if that's necessary, Jason brushes him off as criminals deserve no mercy, Tim calls Jason out by daring him to shoot Tim with the gun, Jason backs down, and both work on retooling the guns. It made me think of the interaction in Arkham Knight, Jason's breaking point while captured by the Joker was seeing a picture of Batman with Tim Drake as Robin. Jason always held out hope that Batman was working endlessly to find and rescue him, but he had moved on and replaced Jason, that's why Jason hated Batman so much in Arkham Knight. I think it'd be an interesting storyline of Jason wanting to reclaim his place at Batman's side and forming a bit of a toxic rivalry with Robin to prove that he is superior to him in every way and why he deserves to reclaim his title as Robin.
I liked the run of red hood and the outlaws during the rebirth run, but you can def see a lot of the issues there you mentioned. red hood taking on broken people and trying to help them is something i really liked about his character
the fact that DC jus seemed to have forgotten that Jason can wield the All-blades is crazy too. Like he'd do so well in JL dark in my opinion with those
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11:59 *“The Dark Trinity”* as DC titled them. What is your stands on Artemis? Is she Wonder Woman’s Greatest Failure? I mean by Diana. Is Artemis Diana’s greatest failure. Because Artemis’ is more Hippolyta’s failure as Hippolyta sets up Artemis to die in Diana’s place. Diana did tried to mentor and teaches Artemis how to be Wonder Woman. Including introducing Artemis to Justice League. But Diana and Artemis team up like one time. It was focus on Diana in her cool blue jacket. Yeah I like her 90’s costume, fight me. I do remember that Artemis told a normal Mother you are weak if you don’t fight for yourself. The mother did tried to fight end up being dead making the mother’s daughter an orphan. That is about it. And Diana still dies later on after Artemis died. Diana killed by Neron, she becomes Goddess of Truth and Hippolyta has take up the Wonder Woman. If I was writing this story line I would make Hippolyta taking the Wonder Woman mantle as atoning for her sins, including setting up Artemis to die. As Artemis is Hippolyta’s greatest failure. Diana’s greatest failure is definitely *Vanessa Kapatelis aka The 3rd Silver Swan.* I do prefer Vanessa’s Origin story in original comic than Post Rebirth and Bloodlines. Because a villain Doctor Psycho has a key role making Vanessa becoming Silver Swam just like Joker has Key role making Jason Todd into the Red Hood. And this is the 2nd of the Two Video ideas. *Problem with other Wonder Womans including Artemis.*
El concepto de la dark Trinity debería ampliarse y hacer dark justice league ( tipo dark Avengers) dónde Jason sea el lider del equipo y hacer las cosas que la justice league no se atreveria
They don't give him to the writers best suited for him, like a Jeff Lemire, a Ram V, a Tom King, or maybe hiring a writer like Rick Remender to a Black Label miniseries. Also, it's kinda weird to not have him involved with Talia or in a tentative partnership with Waller. However, I don't think that Jason should ever really be completely fine with Bruce. Jason literally proves Bruce's "No Killing" ideology is false, yet Bruce has him on the tightest leash. Bruce has proven that he simply refuses to trust Jason, and his ready beat him into submission at a moments notice. Jason helping the Bat Family? Sure. Jason actually being comfortable around them (besides Alfred, Cassandra and maybe Babs)? Nah. The Joker also needs to go a long break, so just let Jason kill him.
Love when Jason is with the fam and they work as a team. It’s a fun dynamic when he’s more of a brute and uses aggressive styles to fight while the rest of the team can be a little softer. Gotham knights did that right IMO but maybe just a little over dramatic lol
17:10 I also wanna point out Jason did this plan in under the hood and it failed and bro didn't instantly tell her Ive tried this it aint going to last
Good points! about how Dc handles Redhood in the Comics😵💫, He cannot catch a Break between killing and not Killing and The same go with him and Batman sadly😔 At least RedHood and The Rest of The Batfamily is handled very well in The “Batman The Wayne Family’s Adventures” comics(at least in my opinion)🙌🏼👀🎉✨
My favorite Jason was the under the red hood movie he just seemed soo cool to me and that’s why I loved him out here regulating crime I just felt like his method seemed very smart instead of stopping crime regulate it plus it just made soo much sense why he wanted to kill the joker tbh it was just a perfect Jason movie to me
I'm a sucker for the redemption story so my fav version of Jason is in the Batman family adventures webtoons. It shows Jason going through a panic attack and Bruce finally gets to be the good dad he's supposed to be.
DC doesn't have a Red Hood PROBLEM, Red Hood has a DC PROBLEM Red Hood simply doesn't work as a comic book character because DC and Marvel live & breathe off of the status quo; he'd work much better in a manga series where characters themselves are actually allowed change over time and in turn have meaningful impacts on the story that change the world and characters around them. Comics never shake things up, so Red Hood will never get the room he needs to shake things up as the character he could be.
Redhood and the outlaws feels like where the character is supposed to be with a bunch of misfits solving problems their way
My favorite comic book run. Despite the weird back and forth with the bat family
The Dark Trinity was one of the best things Jason got and they took it away from him, then act like it never happened...
Agreed. Need them to come back asap. That was the perfect place for Jason to be.
Yeah, at least it gave Jason some consistency and was a damn fun read !
This is why Fans wanted to Dark Trinity to evolve into a "Dark" Justice League aka JL of Outlaws.
The mental gymnastics the comics have gone through to explain why Jason haven't killed Joker is yet is pretty insane.
In the Arkham-verse, It makes sense, because, we know, Joker was dead when Jason became Red Hood!
Wait, that's actually a good fucking point. Why HASN'T he yet?
Honestly, Jason Todd is probably the only person who can kill the Joker without any consequences whatsoever (Ironically, if you consider the narrative that vengeance is empty and has consequences). We've seen Batman kill Joker and it ended badly for him at best, and the world at worst. We've seen Superman kill the Joker and that went horribly for everyone involved in the long term(Literally nobody minded that Superman killed Joker in Injustice, it's just everything Superman does afterwards that causes a massive schism). I honestly can't see anything go wrong if Jason Todd just kills The Joker. If Joker tries to goad Batman or Superman or any other major Justice League member into killing him he'd likely have a backup plan. But I really doubt Joker would actually prepare one for Jason Todd specifically, Jason doesn't really care about Joker's philosophical leverage of someone killing him, like he has over Batman or Superman.
Can’t forget the mental gymnastics for why Batman hasn’t locked him up after all this time. I get that it’s his son, but this is also the same man who’s always been far more committed to his mission and genuine goals of rehabilitation over his more emotional feelings, to the degree that his obsession to his mission had him conquer the binds of f*cking time itself
It's not even that hard. Just kill Joker, make it a big event, the death of a clown! And have Jason Todd do it, or Clown Killer, whoever. Have a focus issues on the would be Joker killers who didn't get to do it. Revenge against attempts by the two people upset that Joker's gone. Show how much Gotham/Earth has changed for the better without Joker...and then, after a year or five, bring Joker back. But Joker's different now. He died, he didn't like being dead. He's not going to do the same things that got him dead.
He’s desperately in need of a good writer. Feels like he’s never had a “must read” run outside of the initial debut in Under the Hood. My main complaint is that it seems no one really knows what to do with him, or how to commit.
@@C.R.Cole331 it doesn’t help that he’s just wildly different even in books happening concurrently. Like take the New 52, where he abides by Bruce’s no kill rule…but only does so in Batman books. Cause in the Outlaws or others’ books he is more than cool killing whoever he wants
I feel like it would be cool if Jason leaves Gotham and travels the country or world, stopping crime where ever he goes, inspiring the locals to fight against injustice.
He's the one with the most potential
I'm literally right here. Let ME write sum
They don't give him to the writers best suited for him, like a Jeff Lemire, a Ram V, a Tom King, or maybe hiring a writer like Rick Remender to a Black Label miniseries.
Also, it's kinda weird to not have him involved with Talia or in a tentative partnership with Waller.
It really is a shame that DC just doesn't know what to do with Jason. He's got a lot of potential for good stories but it's never properly utilised or seen.
I’d add Tim and most of the bat family to that list
Yea Tim litteraly is the most underused member in the bat family. Idk what DC is smoking right now?
3:30 imagine citizens hearing someone shouting “D*CK!” From a rooftop 💀
It's Gotham, people probably scream worse things from the roofs
@@archivist_13 or did worst on rooftops *cough* “Batman: the killing joke”
@@senshi_jp oh NAH
@@senshi_jpcrazy💀
It's Gotham. You just keep your head down and pray to god it doesn't land on you.
Just started the video but MAN, it breaks my heart whenever I think about what they've done to him. The constant back and forth between killing and not killing, and the overall death of his mystique and character because they REFUSE to let him grow and get over his trauma. The theme of a Deadman slowly coming to grips and learning how to be human again is such an easy layup like wtf 😭😭😭
Red Hood kills the Suicide Squad better be Rocksteady’s next game
I'd rather have red hood kills batman as a next game.
Rocksteady will sure know how to disappoint you with a different game
With dynamic duo coming out in 2028 I wouldn’t be surprised if we have Nightwing & Red Hood missions on the next Batman game by rocksteady
@@Nv02319 Bold of you to assume Rocksteady won't fail on their next title by then.
If Rocksteady was smart, they’d greenlight it and make it their redemption game
Crazy how the best part of gotham knights is the cutscenes and not the gameplay, the true definitive experience I really like the characterization in it
The complete damn opposite of Arkham Knight😂
@@joeker5208the gameplay is trash also. 90 percent is a janky war thunder tank fight
@@Watch-0w1 I think the gameplay is technically fine. I think the major issue with Knight’s gameplay is the level design. It is not nearly as tight and interesting as City’s. Granted, I think the tank-play is pretty f*cking boring. I’ll never defend the tank. It’s some of the easiest combat I’ve ever come across in a triple-A game
The Tank was good and fun to use, the problem was they used it too much
Red Hoods major issue is that DC can't give him a consistent face lol, seriously sometimes he thug with a beard and shaved head but other times he looks like an emo pretty boy anime character who looks like an entirely different dude. DC cannot stay consistent with this dudes face
it just shows how DC doesn't have any idea of what doing with him... character design is part of the storytelling
Nowadays they sometimes even leave out his white hair. That's like one of his most iconic traits.
@@huntertezzi am soooo mad for it 😔 he looks so good with it…At least leave the hair alone
There's a literal discussion in the batfandom about Jason Todd's appearance. They don't know if he's canonically hot or ugly lol
@@robertosilva3466 isn't it canon that he and Dick actually look pretty similar?
There’s so much potential to dive deeper in his relationship with all the other bat family members. Like he can have more resentment towards Tim but they can try to build a relationship towards each other. Dick and Barbra
can have some more love towards Jason compared to Tim or Damien. Damien and him can be a brutality duo, where Jason even tempts Damien to kill. So much potential
Si siempre pensé que Jason y Damián deberían de llevarse bien pero por alguna razón no lo hacen
I unironically would like to see him interact more with Cass
Since they’re both at the complete opposite of the bat spectrum
With Cass being the most dedicated to Batman’s rules in general
The fact that Harley Quinn got her own animated series before red hood or nightwing is down right criminal. Red hood had been getting done dirty all because of the writers need to maintain the status quo and keep things the same. Everything about his character is rip with potential from his tragic backstory ,to his moral philosophy and complicated relationship with batman and the batfamily. It would be interesting to see Red hood clash with the batfamily over there methods of justice. To See him fight with Tim due to resentment over being replaced. I also would like to see his relationship with Damien develop as they are very much a like and i feel they would get along and like eachother very much.
Siempre es criminal que Harley Quinn haya protagonizado películas una serie hasta un videojuego antes que muchos otros personajes de DC comics
technically night wing has a show, it’s called Titans, it’s basically the night wing show
Jason is literally my favorite Robin and it kills me everytime i see one of his stories it's always flip flopping his progression of growth
The inconsistency, man. He’s either an ugly incompetent whiny villain or a hot competent antihero jerk with a heart of gold dealing with trauma. He’s definitely the latter but the Jason haters at DC that often get their hands on him write him as the former. It’s maddening.
18:01 Oh my gosh, you left out the worst part of Gotham War! The scene where Bruce kidnaps Jason and drugs him with Fear Toxin that's supposedly permanent so that his son could never rebel against him again.
The character assassination in Gotham War was off the charts 🤦♀
Still forever strange how Jason’s legacy as Robin is changed after his death, as it seemed that no one in-universe remembered him as even competent. He didn’t even get remembered as a Titan, despite the fact that he was a solid member who helped save the world against Blood
And P.S. Arkham Jason still hot a**. Shall we collectively forget that game’s story
DC loves pushing the agenda that he was a horrible Robin who wasn’t fit to be one. When Tim was Robin, they constantly did shots at Jason’s character.
Now that Jason has a set personality, he can’t work in mainline comics because he’d kill everyone causing trouble and Gotham would undoubtedly get better.
@@PostCrisisRH well not entirely. Because even before Tim was brought on, the books were just all in on trashing on Jason. Jim Sterling was infamous for not liking the character, and quite literally has Batman blaming Todd for his own death when he finds his body during Death of The Family. Like god damn Bruce, at least bury the kid before you start taking your shots😂😂
@@joeker5208 Yeah they kept dissing him even before Tim, but they were very vocal about it with Tim. Constantly saying if he dies he fails, taking so many potshots at Jason lmao
@@PostCrisisRHThe fact that people push the idea that Jason could just magically fix gotham by murdering all the criminals is fucking insane and is why I feel like I have this need to be embarrassed or clarify my position every time I say I like the character
@@ellieporter3270 I’m mainly referring to modern DC comics gotham, which most of the storylines in it is just the Joker causing problems. The whole “corruption in the root of Gotham” barely gets anything anymore it’s literally just the Joker doing mass murders. Killing most of the rogues would fix like a good 75% of the problems. And its funny because an alternate universe with a Batman who did kill his rogues showed that Gotham got safer lmao.
Red Hood is like Hush. A character tailored to work in one specific masterfully written story (Under the Red Hood movie), but never anywhere else because the writers don’t know what to do with him. Keeping him around means that he would’ve killed the Joker by now, but DC and Marvel are scared of permanent consequences. If their universes worked like Invincible’s, where it’s a single linear timeline of events in which character progression and events actually mattered, this wouldn’t be an issue
And it’s not like Joker’s role in Jason’s life can be retconned like when they removed Two-Face killing Jason’s Dad to his Dad being a lifer in prison who worked for The Penguin.
The difference is that the red hood story is way WAY better then Hush ever was
The comic was better than the film. Jason’s motivations were clear, calculated, and he did things purposefully while the film made him some whiny teenager just trying to get Bruce’s attention. The film also deliberately tried erasing why Jason got captured and pushes the notion that he was careless and violent. Jason didn’t obsess over the Joker because he had his own empire to build, he only did so towards the end to just clear the air, and the ultimatum with Bruce was one of the best moments in comic history.
That's literally the point and main concept of Invincible. Kirkman made it as a "What if a superhero comic series was not an endless overly ongoing series like most mainstream comics and has proper continuity and seamless stories"
@@corysmith564 Yes! That’s how it always should be! It’s time for DC and Marvel to get with the times. Long time comic fans are exhausted of endless nonsense, we want proper storytelling with a beginning, middle and end for every character so stories can actually matter
Red Hood, Damien and Batman have been going on the same story arcs for a couple years now
Damien has the same character arc of being humbled like every week
@@dc7981the only competent writing team Damian got was Tomasi and Gleason, nobody else besides those two understand how to write damian as good as they can
jason is a victim of comics refusing to commit to change and never ending their stories
I think one of the funniest things is how whenever there's a huge event or crisis jason knows to stay the hell away
I feel like Red Hood should just be a stage in Jasons life. He goes from being the second bashful Robin, the orchestrating Villain who achieves what he wants through blood, then the vigilante anti hero that isnt afraid to put down his prey.. I feel like he needs a coming around arc. Jason needs help moving on
Jason’s growth is always being against the Batfam’s moral code because it never works. Either he needs to kill the Joker or leave Gotham because he’ll always be a stagnant character, since DC won’t kill the super villains and keep making do stupidly absurd crap.
He should be like speedball who moves on from the red hood name
they would need to have Bruce not be a neglectful dick for a while and maybe jason could get some good characterization. we rlly need to start lookiung at how bats is writtin in relation to the robins, thats the big issue
@@XxAJxX-qp1qp Facts, when Jason was Robin dude ignored his outbursted like he was just being careless
Well technically he was getting that with the dark trinity in the outlaws. Allowed him to grow outside of Gotham, off planet, with other dc characters.
Red Hood is my favorite Dc character and it’s sad to see every time he shows up he’s character is always flip flopping
RedHood being an Antagonist to the Batfamily is fine, in my opinion. The issue is: there's no actual conflict of ideals. It's just the "Killing is Good!!" And Batman's "Killing is Bad!", Then you have RedHood beat up The Batfamily like a Drunk Man.
Writers & Actors state in order to truly encapsulate a character, you have to see their point, so you can make them believable.
RedHood should be an Antagonist to The Batfamily, but not someone who's actively attacking them. It should be that for the most part, he's actually defending himself from them.
RedHood should have a Journey in controlling underground crime, not that he starts controlling crime immediately. That's a Jump.
RedHood should also have some stories where he does have a point, a story where his moral dilemma feels correct.
Wow finally someone mentioning the fact that pre new 52 post red hood story arc Jason wasnt even an anti hero dude was just a straight up villain. Its like the entire community wants to forget all that stuff even happened 😂
Hear me out. Have red hood become a cowboy. Take advantage of what they did with reacher as well. Have him be a cowboy/reacher like character who rides a motorcycle and never stays in one place and is an outlaw: he faces different threats. 1 day cartel or gangs the next corrupt police the next day government etc. have him take on his own
Good idea 💡💡💡 for a tv show
Oh hell yea
The entire DC canon is like this.
Jason shouldn’t be a member of the Batfamily, their ideologies and methods conflict with each other. He should be a lone wolf, someone who operates outside of the GCPD and Batfamily like in Under The Red Hood
Preach, thats how he should be
He's the black sheep of the Batfamily. They can't have him at the mansion, yukking it up and sipping hot chocolate. He's not like the rest of them, but Batman and the family can't cut off his connection to Jason completely. He should be the one who never stays at the function for too long. He should really just operate in his own city.
@@joshjones9749 every Robin except Tim should be this way.
Grayson has Blüdhaven, Damian should be in Bialya since he's "a royal rotten Robin in an area that desperately needs a supehero" and Jason could be in Chicago or some equivalent.
@@Superlad9494 Jason in Chicago would actually be a really good fit.
@@joshjones9749 and terrifyingly accurate given how his main Bat-villain out of the original 3 super- villains is basically a bird-themed Al Capon.
Stuff like this is why I don’t really bother with being caught up with comics on a weekly basis anymore, and only read a run after it’s finished and heard good things about it.
I didn't realize Penguin actually survived that! I was thinking wow, DC actually just had Red Hood execute a named super villain. They aint afraid of giving him credibility, I'll give them that much. Hearing "didn't die, but not for a lack of trying" made me laugh, like Penguin is Wolverine, Deadpool or something...whose the DC equivalent? Plastic Man? Clay Face?
Penguin survived that because Jason shot him with a blank... but since it was at very close range, he still lost an eye (something that has been a permanent fixture ever since, even in other titles like "Batman" during Tom King's run, Catwoman, Batgirl, etc etc...) and the head trauma made him forget the identities of Red Hood & Batman, that he had deduced right before Jason shot him in the face.
Convenient, but less unbelievable than surviving a headshot from a real bullet.
@@randallflagg3700 Yeah, that makes sense. Should have had Jason just say "it was a blank" as soon as Batman showed up, and have Batman just back off glowering, though.
Again, let ME write up a concept story for Red Hood. I swear I could come up with something definitive.
Remember Jason’s death effected bruce mentally and physically to the point where he was more violent with criminals, close to breaking his no kill rule, and almost started a war between the USA and Iran to get his hands on The Joker, he should operate as a crime boss to destroy crime systematically and help people through the money he gets running his organization kinda like Bruce does as a philanthropist since Jason looks up to Bruce Wayne and should be more accepted and love the bat family
Red Hood peaked in Red Hood and The Outlaws Rebirth with Artemis and Bizarro
Me personally I preferred his multiverse shenanigans with Kyle rayner and Donna troy
Including The following story Red Hood: Outlaw?
I remember Red Hood meet Reiser. The Kid has Doomsday Powers
@@abiodunsulaiman2297 I don't see a lot of people like countdown.
@@TheIndulging countdown sucked but those parts were fun
Oh my God,I love reading that.
Jason is another awful case of comic writers basically writing half a character. Similar to Peter Parker and Tony Stark, the current crop of writers only know and care about the characters up to exactly what they're assigned to write, but they have no actual ambitions for them. They don't change, they don't grow, nothing new or interesting really happens by the time the story is over. They're still stuck in that subpar space of quality where their best days are long gone and their potential is never fully realized again. It can really all be traced back to a lack of passionate writers.
Honestly, the route I would take with Jason is him being an antagonist to the Batfamily most of the time, because while they want the same thing, they have different methods. But at the end of the day, still being family when it really matters. Similar to the Task Force Z story, more or less.
I love him,but he needs to be included more in more dc projects as robin first.They barely put him as Robin in a lot of dc projects, especially in animation.
It is SHOCKING how few good Jason Todd Red Hood stories actually exist beyond Under the Red Hood, he has had 5 different comic series dedicated to him and only one of them is actually good (Red Hood: The Lost Days). That being said, I don't understand the hate for Morrison's version of Red Hood from Red Hood fans. Just like in Under the Red Hood, he believes that he is what Batman should be like, acting as a great contrast for Dick Grayson's Batman and giving us the most interesting take on the character probably ever. Morrison also does a great job exploring the mind of Jason. It also serves as a metacommentary on the dark and edgy Batman-like characters with Jason believing that type of hero is the type of hero Gotham needs only for him to cause more problems. It's not even that out of character for Jason to take that turn, he always viewed himself as what Batman should be and was very willing to kill anyone who got in his way. I much prefer antagonist Jason to Anti-Hero Jason, especially since the anti-hero Jason barely has any good stories compared to Anti-Villain or Villain Jason, I feel he works best in an antagonistic role than Nightwing with Guns.
I never understood why people like New 52 Red Hood, there was only one good New 52 story with Red Hood as the focus and it was a single issue in Batman and Robin (Batman and Red Hood #20) and I just found it very hard to buy the idea of Bruce just allowing Jason to use guns. Sure he only allows him to target hands, knees and elbows but Batman has two rules, no killing and no guns and Jason breaks both of them on a frequent enough basis, it really doesn't make sense that Bruce accepts him into the BatFamily. The thing that makes it work better in that story though is that it's a story following Damian's recent death, putting Bruce in a bad headspace leading to him to doing a very out of character things where he fries the nerves in a man's hand, making him never able to use his hands again. The entire issue is Bruce angry over Damian's death and bringing Jason to where he died without his knowledge in order to get Jason to remember how he was brought back so that he can apply it to Damian, putting his own feelings over Jason, even attempting to guilt trip Jason into dredging up those painful memories. Bruce has an ulterior motive here and an angry Bruce teaming up with Red Hood and allowing him to use guns makes more sense than a normal Batman working with Red Hood and letting him use guns, especially since Jason is very much not against killing people.
The best Post-Flashpoint Red Hood story is Cheer, it's the only story that I think actually makes Anti-Hero Red Hood interesting and not just DC's Punisher. Jason actually has to face the consequences of killing people, whether he views it as a justified or not, and he's written with some actual emotion that isn't just edge. The problem is what followed wasn't very good. It just shows that in order to make Red Hood an anti-hero or more heroic or a member of the BatFamily you really have to remove the stuff that made Red Hood work originally and people don't like that. Anti-Hero or Hero Red Hood as a member of the BatFamily just doesn't work for me.
This is a true Post Crisis Red Hood enjoyer. If Post Crisis Red Hood was in modern DC, his mentality will always be proven right with how horrible Batman has become.
So correct
The popularity of the bat family with younger audiences basicslly means that jason is gonna stay lkke this for a while now
Red Hood doesn't work as well in other stories because he as a character was clearly made for Under the Red Hood and not for any future stories.
Preach!
My favorite DC character has been completely chopped into squares, placed into a blender, thrown into a furnace, smelted into charcoal, grounded into dust, and mixed into a pile of shit. They absolutely massacred my boy!😭
He has the potential to be way more than what they've made him. We are talking about a Robin turned criminal here. He should be a major antagonist to the Bat Family as a whole. He knows their secret identities, their tactics, their technology. I hate how they just made him another ally instead of the anti-hero he was meant to be. He was the original Batman Who Laughs, the true Batman Who Laughs, he was the initial Batman and Joker mix, the better one. He was the Red Hood, but now, he and the Batman Who Laughs are one and the same. Edgelords.
Post-Under The Red Hood the character was pulled in so many different directions. He went from the young crime-lord poised overthrowing Black Mask, to “The Batman Who Kills” during the Morrison Era to Sylvester Stallone international mercenary with his band of Outlaws to working undercover back to being a vigilante with his outlaws then back to a crime-lord to working with Batman to take down Cheer to… whatever the fuck Gotham War did with him.
The character I feel needs to be retired, where he finally leaves Gotham and heads into hiding because the character is just haunted by this city. There’s not much they could do to change the character as it would again feel like a 180 of wherever he is in life.
At least your favorite character gets new books. Anarky hasn't gotten a new series in 20 years.
@@gfilmer7150 Yeah, DC just needs to do a hard reboot on his character and return him back to his crimelord era, his original depiction as the Red Hood, and explore that for a while with him being an antagonist to the Bat Family (not a villain).
@@Ash-Winchester I know of him but am not all that familiar with his character besides the basics like wanting to help save Gotham through the use of chaos.
@@tremel7336 Explore that, have him lose everything after he’s a Kingpin for a few years in our world then have the character go on a crisis that leads to him finally retiring.
Yeah, Zdarksy will never live down the whole Gotham War fiasco.
Red hood’s portrayal in Titans was one of the worst character assassinations I’ve ever seen
Nah why all my favorite TH-camers dropping tonight 🙏🏾😩😩
Same, took a break from the Matpat stream to watch this
@@dazzlethestar151MatPat retired
...@@ShockwaveFPSStudios
The red hood nightwing rooftop Gotham knights scene is the best part of that game
I had hoped that you would mention Grayson's crowbar joke.
Red Hood and the Outlaws with Bizarro and Artemis was great, will never understand why DC killed this. Retcon punch will always be the shit LMAO
I've said it before and I will say it again. DC only cares about Batman and joker
My boy has been butchered in more ways than one. He's got a lot of (wasted) potential for more good stories but they don't/never utilize it properly. Decades of being here and yet he doesn't have that many good stories, not even a “must read” and that's just sad. Give him to a competent writer who genuinely likes and understands him and he'll be up there. It's pretty clear that DC either doesn't know what to do with him anymore or they just really don't gaf. Whnever they had chances to do MORE or atleast just SOMETHING with the character, they've always managed to miss every single time. Post-Crisis Jason is peak Jason.
Jason's story has so much potential they can make it revolve around his relationship of Red Hood and the people of Crime Alley where he got his beginnings, talk about growing up in poverty or raised by addicts, explore him in the leagues of assassin or on the suicide squad or explore more supernatural elements since a comic writer decided to give him the all blades once and its never been explained or brought up again but this would all need to have actually good writers capable of writing fully fleshed background and main characters. Also who decided to give him a crowbar for a weapon
Dick and Jason reminds me ALOT of Leonardo and Raphael
Which would make Tim Drake Donatello and Damien Wayne Michaelangelo.
@@NisarKhan-jm1uhand Batman would be Splinter
🤔 I mean they are the most popular robins so it makes sense@@NisarKhan-jm1uh
@@NisarKhan-jm1uhDamian as Michaelangelo 😂😂😂
Never in my years dude NEVER
@@Nana-ng1kz😂
I think Red Hood should be closer on the evil side, but still make him as an anti-hero. Make him a character with a lot of glaring flaws. I think there should be times that he tries, but for the most part- after his resurrection especially, he should be someone that was blacklisted from the bat family. Make most people consider him an anti-hero/criminal, let him be an ACTUAL outlaw.
That's the problem with comics.
Any character development is regressed for no reason other than cheap drama.
Anyone that shots Damian has my respect, I'm a certified Damian hater
I believe the MAJORITY of dc fanbase are Damian haters don't let anyone tell you otherwise
not the stupid injustice thing or new 52 again
listen damian is a great character now
@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω dude first impressions are everything
Damian was introduced as a whiny, entitled, insufferable brat and the fans remember that and always been like that since the new 52 and people are so tired of reading anything about Damian "the shit" Wayne
Actually most fans just got tired of dealing of DCs bad decisions and awful writing
To me Damian is like the equivalent to the CW dc series yeah it's that bad
@@Nana-ng1kz damian has evolved since then not damian's fault people don't want
to know damian as he is today
@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω agreed, the current Batman and Robin run, Boy Wonder, and his team up with Wonder Woman have done a lot to start bringing his character around
Red Hood gets screwed over due to the fact he makes Batman pointless. Jason is capable of killing villains without goimg full postal. Unlike batman who's terrified he wont stop. The other part of this that gets downplayed is the fact he is the most skilled of the family. No matter what Bruce says. Red hood has beat every major family member including Cass. He's also somehow the most emotionally mature.
nightwing has also beaten every member of the bat family plus deathstroke… jason doesnt compare to dick
Please in what reality is red hood more skilled in fact out of all them is the one who the least skilled recently but put him down and knightwing embarrassed his ass lol
Your fav Fan fics ≠ Canon bruh😂
I'm not saying DC doesn't make him a jobber, especially lately, but no way in hell can he beat Cass, one of the most skilled hand-to-hand combatants in the entire DC universe. That's not how that works bro...
I disagree with this whole post. Batman doesnt kill because he's worried he'll go postal. He doesn't kill because 1) he's a vigilante and extrajudicial killing is a horrible idea and 2) more importantly his parents were murdered, and Bruce will never inflict that evil on someone.
He's also absolutely not the most mature. Even when he's on his way to redemption, the effects of the Lazarus pit are still a struggle for him. He uses excessive force all the time and it causes a lot of damage.
There are two ways Jason works. Either you make him a violent killer and a direct threat towards the Bat Family. OR you write him as a character that goes bad but works his way up to a better character and ally of the Bat Family. There should NEVER be any in between! If writers want a villainous Red Hood then give us a version that is pure evil while giving us an alternative version that is more heroic. The idea writes itself.
Jason could have been DC's answer to Venom or Speedball thats all about redemption into being a hero again or he could have been the eternal dark reminder of Batmans greatest failure as a villain but keeping him in between the two is doing nothing for him
@@MILDMONSTER1234 EXACTLY!!!!
0:06, Redhood, Tim, A lot of cast of NTT especially Raven, Wondergirls to some degree, Connor Kent Superboy, etc. A lot of these characters have the same problem tbh.
The best version of the Jason/Batman dynamic was when he was The Red Hood versus Dick with the Dynamic vs. Death Duo. It perfectly mirrored The Killing Joke, while adding tragedy that they were metaphorical brothers doing the same mission to honor their father(s).
It's just that each pair of orphans did the most extreme versions of those missions.
As said multiple times that Red Hood and the Outlaws was prime Jason. It's the best way to write him. His team doing things their way.
We need a Red Hood solo film and Solo rated M game asap, matter of fact a Red Hood game after arkham knight would've been so good for all of ours health
I actually really liked gotham knights giving red hood a magic edge. My big issue was that they didnt go far enough with it. Give him a glowing red ghost arm to replace the limbs he lost in the explosion. Give him a healing factor. Make him see dead people. Pair him off with zatanna and constantine.
It would fit his backstory and character so well.
And like with all things regarding Jason, they took away that development.
The magic Robin thing has kinda gone to Damian now. Even Batman 666 had a healing factor.
That is what I am saying.
This man thinks
I think Jason works better as Anti-villain than Villain. As Villian, he becomes really repetitive. As Anti-Villian, he seems to be happy and get a normal life ... Close to normal life that Amazon from Bana-Mighdall and vigilante that was trained by Assassins can be.
If he has no No-Kill-Rule then that is a problem if he in Gotham
And this is one of the reasons why I read Wayne Family Adventures. Red Hood is an active part of the Bat Family, he has much healthier relationships with all of them, and he's been allowed to work through his trauma and PTSD. He still uses guns but they don't go into detail as to whether or not they're non-lethal rounds (though I assume the latter), and when he's taking down human opponents, it's usually with melee attacks. He restricts the shooting to robots and such. That's where his character should be when he's allowed to grow and move forward, though his appearance in the Outlaws works for me too.
Bro, you need to some kind of DC animated top 10 list or Batman animated movie top ten list. You know the comics and you know what actual good DC stories are. I would to hear your opinions.
IMO Jason's best story is actually Wayne Family Adventures. Not even joking, it may not be canon but it's honestly the best characterization he's gotten post Under the Red Hood. The compelling and realistic way it portrays his PTSD over being killed in such a brutal way, his dynamic with the rest of the family, and how it shows the way both the bat family and his friends in the outlaws help keep him grounded. If anyone's a Red Hood fan looking for actual character growth from him you should 100% give Wayne Family Adventures a chance.
I can't stand when people view Jason as a full blown villain, that's not Jason. I view him as the black sheep of the Batfamily but got everyone's backs despite having different ideals and morals. I also view Jason as a protector for the lost and innocent so he has a caring nature towards kids. I'd love to see a story where it explore his vulnerabilities and mental state when a child he got attached to (could be the Blue Hood kid) gone missing because of a human trafficking ring. Jason would be more frustrated, manic and brutal as the story goes on. The rest of the Batfamily would be like "whoa we'll find him" Jason being Jason, he doesn't give a f other than finding the child.. in my opinion, that'd be a great story to read and It'll build on his character
Jason Todd's character really shines in the first 50 issues of the red hood and the outlaws rebirth comics. They're honestly really good.
On N52 Red Hood and the Outlaws, the early issues have trained by All-Castle which made Jason being a pseudo Magic character as even his swords need blood to get strong but either Scott or DC hate the idea since All-Castle and Essence end up disapear from DC Lore.
Jason is perfect when he's headlining an Outsiders/Outlaws type of book. He had his beef with Batman, they get over it, and now he puts his skills to work handling dirtier business that the League or the the main Bat-Family can't touch. It should be that simple.
The animated film remains a god tier story and I’m afraid to touch anything else bc I don’t wanna see them mess with my boy
Again, Batman: Wayne Family Adventures is doing these characters justice. It portrays Jason as a more cool-headed hero who loves his family. But he also suffers from severe PTSD from what the Joker put him through. His arcs are genuinely good.
I totally forgot that basically Caddicarus was Titans’ Scarecrow😂😂😂
Bruh
11:53 did red hood just wear the breathing mask on top of his mask 😭😭😭
UtRD is probably my favorite animated superhero movie. Crazy that there’s no project that embodies Jason Todd better than that
Such a shame we never got an Under the Red Hood live action movie, and that they've never bothered to build up the Batfamily.
Because It’s hard
@x._3347 no, it isn't. These modern directors literally never tried. The only reason it seems difficult is because it's one of the campier elements of Batman. Hollywood is only obsessed with portraying Batman as a dark and brooding lone wolf who's always depressed about the death of his parents. It's boring, and means we will never get any of the iconic stories where Batman has the Batfamily.
Ngl, if I was Jason during the Gotham War and Batman mind controlled me into losing my ability to even defend myself... I would never forgive Bruce, Zur personally or not.
I personally want him and Batman to reunite for good. Go through all the drama, and what have you, then just let them heal please.
What’s with everyone trying to fight and beat up Tim Drake?!
There's always the one member of the family that gets ragged on by everyone.
Because he's gay now, so they are expressing their true feelings towards that change.
(this is a joke, don't come after me)
2:50 this is why i want to play this game, don´t care what anybody says
It was pretty good.
I had a good time
Yh it got hate at first but ppl went back and was like "yk what, it's not too bad." I think ppl were just too mad that it wasnt another Arkham game and that it doesn't play like one
Exactly it's a damn good game I enjoy every single part of it and I played it over and over again I don't give a rat's ass what anybody want to say about it
It’s an amazing movie
Unlike Dick Grayson, who was Batman's Greatest Success, Jason Todd really is *Batman's Greatest Failure* . Jason is one of Batman lore's most exciting and complex characters. I love his philosophy of showing Batman how his method is flawed and how when he came back, he wasn't broken by the fact that Bruce didn't save him, but Jason was indeed broken, and Batman never avenged his death by killing the Joker. I really hope writers figure out a good way to utilise Jason again because, in recent comics, it seems like DC editorial doesn't know what to do with him since they always try to make him a constant anti-hero but don't seem to give Jason any exciting stories and sort of make him feel less relevant. One thing about Jason I love the most is how he follows his instincts and how he applies his trauma and survival skills to ensure no one else suffers through the same broken system and abuse he did before meeting Batman or becoming Robin and growing up in a life of poverty with a terrible father and mother that abandoned him and used him.
That story of red hood showing up on batman is boring though.
The thing is “Batman’s greatest failure” means it’s Batman who is the failure that messed up by failing to do right by Jason, Jason isn’t the failure. Fan always misinterpret that quote.
Red Hood would be a dope gangster movie
Jason and Nightwing in gotham knights are what Hawk and Dove shouldve been.
Hawk and dove in Titan's was absolute ass.
The way that they can fix Redhood is make him a red lantern
Hearing you describe Gotham War reminded me why I stopped reading mainline Batman.
I enjoyed him pre-New 52. Ever since New 52, ehhhhhhh. Hit or miss. Loved his story in Batman and Robin, with Scarlet. His inclusion in Battle for the Cowl. His adventures with Artemis (that’s Rebirth but whatever). Hated Titans. Talk about missing the point of a character
DC has a Tim Drake issue.
I kinda wonder why they haven't tried pushing a storyline of Red Hood trying to prove he's superior to Robin. I was watching some clips from Gotham Knights since I didn't know that much of the game and was curious after seeing them here, I saw one clip that made me think, "Really?". It was Jason and Tim working on Jason's firearms together, TLDR Jason's guns are built to inflict more damage to enemies, Tim questions if that's necessary, Jason brushes him off as criminals deserve no mercy, Tim calls Jason out by daring him to shoot Tim with the gun, Jason backs down, and both work on retooling the guns. It made me think of the interaction in Arkham Knight, Jason's breaking point while captured by the Joker was seeing a picture of Batman with Tim Drake as Robin. Jason always held out hope that Batman was working endlessly to find and rescue him, but he had moved on and replaced Jason, that's why Jason hated Batman so much in Arkham Knight. I think it'd be an interesting storyline of Jason wanting to reclaim his place at Batman's side and forming a bit of a toxic rivalry with Robin to prove that he is superior to him in every way and why he deserves to reclaim his title as Robin.
I liked the run of red hood and the outlaws during the rebirth run, but you can def see a lot of the issues there you mentioned. red hood taking on broken people and trying to help them is something i really liked about his character
While I wasn't a big fan of The Hill run, I did like Jason in it and the status quo they set up for him and Batman in it
the fact that DC jus seemed to have forgotten that Jason can wield the All-blades is crazy too. Like he'd do so well in JL dark in my opinion with those
*Jason Todd: The Redhead step child* of the Bat-Family.
DC always doing my poor baby Red Hood so dirty.
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The actor playing Red Hood on the Titans show has a big-ass head as is, wearing the helmet he looked like a damn Funko Pop.
11:59 *“The Dark Trinity”* as DC titled them.
What is your stands on Artemis? Is she Wonder Woman’s Greatest Failure? I mean by Diana. Is Artemis Diana’s greatest failure.
Because Artemis’ is more Hippolyta’s failure as Hippolyta sets up Artemis to die in Diana’s place.
Diana did tried to mentor and teaches Artemis how to be Wonder Woman. Including introducing Artemis to Justice League. But Diana and Artemis team up like one time. It was focus on Diana in her cool blue jacket. Yeah I like her 90’s costume, fight me.
I do remember that Artemis told a normal Mother you are weak if you don’t fight for yourself. The mother did tried to fight end up being dead making the mother’s daughter an orphan.
That is about it.
And Diana still dies later on after Artemis died. Diana killed by Neron, she becomes Goddess of Truth and Hippolyta has take up the Wonder Woman.
If I was writing this story line I would make Hippolyta taking the Wonder Woman mantle as atoning for her sins, including setting up Artemis to die. As Artemis is Hippolyta’s greatest failure.
Diana’s greatest failure is definitely *Vanessa Kapatelis aka The 3rd Silver Swan.* I do prefer Vanessa’s Origin story in original comic than Post Rebirth and Bloodlines.
Because a villain Doctor Psycho has a key role making Vanessa becoming Silver Swam just like Joker has Key role making Jason Todd into the Red Hood.
And this is the 2nd of the Two Video ideas.
*Problem with other Wonder Womans including Artemis.*
El concepto de la dark Trinity debería ampliarse y hacer dark justice league ( tipo dark Avengers) dónde Jason sea el lider del equipo y hacer las cosas que la justice league no se atreveria
They don't give him to the writers best suited for him, like a Jeff Lemire, a Ram V, a Tom King, or maybe hiring a writer like Rick Remender to a Black Label miniseries.
Also, it's kinda weird to not have him involved with Talia or in a tentative partnership with Waller.
However, I don't think that Jason should ever really be completely fine with Bruce. Jason literally proves Bruce's "No Killing" ideology is false, yet Bruce has him on the tightest leash. Bruce has proven that he simply refuses to trust Jason, and his ready beat him into submission at a moments notice. Jason helping the Bat Family? Sure. Jason actually being comfortable around them (besides Alfred, Cassandra and maybe Babs)? Nah.
The Joker also needs to go a long break, so just let Jason kill him.
Love when Jason is with the fam and they work as a team. It’s a fun dynamic when he’s more of a brute and uses aggressive styles to fight while the rest of the team can be a little softer. Gotham knights did that right IMO but maybe just a little over dramatic lol
17:10 I also wanna point out Jason did this plan in under the hood and it failed and bro didn't instantly tell her Ive tried this it aint going to last
Good points! about how Dc handles Redhood in the Comics😵💫, He cannot catch a Break between killing and not Killing and The same go with him and Batman sadly😔 At least RedHood and The Rest of The Batfamily is handled very well in The “Batman The Wayne Family’s Adventures” comics(at least in my opinion)🙌🏼👀🎉✨
5:28 were is that meme from ?
Also want to know
It dr reasons on TH-cam
Man I love the way you edit videos
My favorite Jason was the under the red hood movie he just seemed soo cool to me and that’s why I loved him out here regulating crime I just felt like his method seemed very smart instead of stopping crime regulate it plus it just made soo much sense why he wanted to kill the joker tbh it was just a perfect Jason movie to me
I'm a sucker for the redemption story so my fav version of Jason is in the Batman family adventures webtoons. It shows Jason going through a panic attack and Bruce finally gets to be the good dad he's supposed to be.
DC doesn't have a Red Hood PROBLEM, Red Hood has a DC PROBLEM
Red Hood simply doesn't work as a comic book character because DC and Marvel live & breathe off of the status quo; he'd work much better in a manga series where characters themselves are actually allowed change over time and in turn have meaningful impacts on the story that change the world and characters around them. Comics never shake things up, so Red Hood will never get the room he needs to shake things up as the character he could be.