Italians fights Turks hand cannoneers with Genoese Crossbowmen, then switches to skirmishers Italians AI "I think I forgot something?" "If you forgot, then it wasn't important" "Yeah, you are right" [Condottiero under the rain]
Perfectly as in... Badly but eventually getting there, it'd have probably won if it knew how to use its units rather than letting them die though. Expected
Not even to troll but just to expand his base uninhibited. By the time you have half the map covered in buildings and your army is advancing into his base, your walls are just an annoying obstacle.
@@dontspikemydrink9382 The villager is repairing the Ram and the Ram moves and the villager is still repairing in the same spot which looks like the villager is repairing the map
It Indeed appears that arrows and blood spoil the lovely grass that was grown by a special gardener just before the fight began. A little thought for the unknown and unnoticed gardeners who take care of the maps we basically ruin during each match. One says they are also the ones who design rugby fields.
the current AI wont be able to pull off a successful fast imp. It just struggles way too much against walls/fortifications, ie it doesnt focus down a gate/one section of wall, it hits all the sections at the same time, or gets distracted by a unit inside the wall and runs into towers/castle fire. And speaking of castle fire, the AI just doesnt know how to deal with it. Instead of sending 2/3 BBCs to fire at it from max range, it runs hand cannons into its range, like it forgets that its there. Really missing Barbarian AI right now
AI always deletes its walls on Arena once it expands beyond the initial base. It also builds really crowded bases so I imagine this is to ease pathfinding.
Ah yes, the Steppe Lancer (SL). Ever since it was defined as the SI unit in the Paris Science Convention of 1833 it has become a fan favorite of the metric system.
It's nice to see how an AI acts, used to do it 20 years ago (it could hardly handle a wall). Could you do one on an AI with no gold? Or little starting food or wood around, to see how it manages different resource shortages
Portuguese, because the downside to fast imp is that your eco is trash. But Portuguese can add Feitoria in imp and actually have a somewhat decent eco as it adds in cheaper hand cannons and Bombards, and then you can get ballistics on those eventually and switch into organ gun+halb+bbc EDIT - Vikings also arent bad, as the free wheel+handcart really helps, but they dont have anything to go into in imp, and are a much better FC civ
Interesting how the AI has improved so much and can easily defeat a new player and yet it still makes mistake not even the newest of players would do, like going for the gold in the middle of the map or building outside your walls when you're being attacked. Goes to show there's still a ton of room for improvement.
Extreme AI is way above 1000 ELO. I am sitting at about 920, and Extreme AI demolishes me every time, likely comically bad. The AI is far better at keeping pressure and managing pressure. Basically, I'd say that at 1000 ELO, microing and controlling all troops while also managing economy is really hard. So like the AIs ability to manage eco through a military push puts it a lot ahead of me. The reason I'd say it is far better than 1000 is that me and my friend (who is about 1020) did a 2 people controlling one civ and we still lost really handily to the Extreme AI, and that was mitigated what is probably our biggest weakness compared to AI
meanwhile, the hard AI rips me apart in less than 30 minutes... btw, i really think that we need to see what is the supposed ELO rating of the different levels of AI. a robot, like Alphastar in Star Craft, would also be fun to play against. The Viper would "enjoy" it quite a lot, I'm sure. PS: How is the Extreme AI working in a team game? what if the Turks are pocket in a 3v3?
I like the idea to have an estimate of it's ELO, but playing against it in multiplayer wouldn't be very interesting... Unless they published the ELO results every month, but never revealing the AI name. Of course some may still figure it out, but it wouldn't be that obvious to lower rated players.
Everyone is worse than AI. There is probably no competitive game where AI can't be made better than humans. Humans may understand the game, but they also need to execute and that assumes the human player can take in all the game state and weigh it's importances correctly. The impressive thing is that these AIs are hand crafted, but these people also take a lot of data and distill working strategies.
The AI can micro every single unit at the same time, so good luck with that. It is restricted by design because not even the best players could beat a fully unleashed AI.
@@Hanfgurkenhasser Bro this AI is scripted(best i've ever seen till this day).It's whole logic is if this happens do this if that happens do that.A thinking AI is always better than human player and can micro manage every unit but you need a server to run it on.Watch this th-cam.com/video/cUTMhmVh1qs/w-d-xo.html the Ai built for starcraft 2 is so impressive.I think 5 to 10 years from now Ai can do everything better than we can do it just lacks imagination and intuition.
I haven't done a lot of testing but extreme AI lost to barbarian AI in all the games I ran simulation in. I don't even think barbarian AI is even running as good as it does on voobly either. It's not as bad as DM though. Extreme doesn't even put up a fight. It's a landslide victory. Extreme AI needs some love in the death match department
I didn't do anything in particular to get it to win games though if it's actually functioning correctly then I doubt it. I downloaded AI Pack by Scintyx (www.ageofempires.com/mods/details/1912) and I make sure I'm not using any DE civs in the game. The AI will say it's running on a difficulty below hard but to me it seems to performing close to what it does on voobly (even if I'm wrong with how well it's performing it's still beating the Extreme AI)
1:20 Incidentally, look at that marvellous DE gen. Red has a spare gold and stone outside his wall, whereas teal's is neatly tucked away behind the wall. 8:38 it gets impatient and buys the food :D 10:40 castle is only well placed if your opponent doesn't do fast imp... or does fast imp but is teal 17:07 if an AI signals in the forest, does it make a sound? 18:29 the farm micro is next-level
What i miss in age of empires 2 is personalities in age of mythology when you selected a AI in random map you select a personality either RUSH, BOOM , DEFENDER . Rush atacks early Boom atacks mid game has al ot of economy and tries to atack in mid game Defender atacks late game. and usese a lot of towers and defensive buildings.
@@diegeigergarnele7975 But then he won't be 1100 rated anymore. I think extreme AI is around 1200 on average. Much better on late game than early game. Maybe 1100 early game and 1300 imperial.
I proposed putting a version of the AI difficulties on ranked on reddit last week :D Maybe not easy, but hard, hardest and extreme would be pretty interesting. Their names should be changing to avoid people abusing tower rushes etc though.
This strategy has the same problem as every other strategy the AI uses - throwing units at a castle. Played against it a couple of times - on both attempts the AI lost 30+ units, mostly hand cannons to castle fire, while I sat behind - boomed and overwhelmed him with units.
Correct. You even see this in campaigns. I defeat extreme AI by building walls with a hole in them. As soon as the AI realizes there is a path, they won’t normally bother breaking through anywhere else. Even if that hole requires units to go all the way around the perimeter while under attack from units on the other side. Even if that hole has a castle or a bunch of towers guarding it.
Thanks for uploading --I too was curious what the AI would do when I read that it is supposedly capable of "Fast Imperial". Dark age farms are pretty awful but in this case, it needed 6-8 of them to get a decent time, 21-22min. When I do this as Byzantines I can generally get 20-21min but then have to research chemistry afterward. A bombard cannon should be queued ASAP as this is what pressures the opponent's buildings, but it didn't do this really at all. As you noted, there is a lot of opportunity to improve this build but it's mostly in the strategy after imperial is reached.
Could be an Arena thing, I played vs Extreme Turks yesterday and it did full Feudal archer + spear. It got destroyed with 4 knights as soon as I hit Castle, felt like a 800 elo player.
Hey Spirit!! I saw your video about what to do with the first 15 vils in a generic map. Watching this video made me thinl about how cool it would be if your made more play-oriented videos, since the one I mentioned was actually top quality content!
What!!? Me and my friends are terrible, we knoe all the triks and strategies but we usually play 4 against 2 extreme AI and it can go any way. We mostly win but sometimes they just annihilate us... how could this Cyan AI have been so terrible? They usually micro likes nobodys business too. i suck and i could have made that hand canoneer and canon push work
Pretty much every TH-camr calls it teal. I dont see why someone would feel the need to correct this when the meanings of the two words, teal and cyan, are almost identical
The thing is that if the script wants to feel more organic, it shouldn't min-max too much, cutting every millisecond it could, because the AI can do that better than any Human, period, if you script it so. You don't want the AI to be as good as it could be, because then it would be unbeatable because no matter how many actions-per-minute a player can achieve, an AI can just do more with a minimum of processing power. Rather you want to take an average of player performance as your guide. So if you think you, as a Human player, should have 30 villagers by time X, then you don't want every Instance of an AI to do that. Better to have 29 villagers this time. Then script in a time where it waits for 31 villagers. This achieves the desired effect of being only moments ahead or behind players in any given strategy on average.
The AI being made to be "unbeatable" isn't possible right now. At least, not according to the guy who makes it, and he should know. The game is far too complicated.
@@alecpalmer1538 Depends on what you mean by unbeatable. There are finite caps on the AI such as villagers can only be made so fast, but think of this: What if the AI automatically took a group of sixty archers and had it split into six sections of ten that each focused fire together against one target. That is six enemies being focused down each volley. With a few lines, you could then have the archers always avoid overkill, where you hit with ten arrows that do would 50 damage against a foe with 1 hp left, no the AI could be told to immediately switch the redundant nine arrows against a new target, ensuring that 45 damage still counts. Suddenly, you have maximum potential DPS being dolled out every single volley. What if the AI could have formations-split against every mangonel shot, continuously and all the time? What a good human could do by neglecting everything else for several seconds can be done continuously and completely by the AI all the time while still placing new buildings, assigning tasks, and directing troops. Add all this sort of thing up and you have unbeatable. The game is not too complicated. It is because you don't want the AI to be that way. You want it to be as imperfect as people, as diverse as people.
for the scouts bugging, I think it's just trying to click into the trees, so the scout gets as close as it can to the rally point for a bit and then moves to a new one
getting a few instances of the AI elo rated would be a useful metric, that way elo itself could be compared against a static metric (and all new ais would be on new accounts)
I'd be interested to see a video expanding on the maths of that point about delaying feudal in order to get faster castle/imperial. Presumably it comes down to getting out villagers earlier rather than researching feudal age. But how long would it take for that effect to get overwhelmed by economy techs or extra town centres?
Is it weird that I go up at 25-26 vils with this strat and am in imp ~19:45-20:15 and have double archery range+ 1 siege workshop working, ANDDDDDDD.... i’m 1.1k since i just started playing again
Oh my god I remember watching this when it came out and you saying "7 on sheep? Thats a little weird" was what alerted me to the fact that I was putting one too many on sheep
Red won because they went Cavalry, that's the only reason... NERF! I need AoE II - not quite at IV yet it needs more content for me, to go on sale already. I've already learned so much in the past few days of reading & just processing this game online!
Hey Spirit ! If you having problems finding new topics , then why don't you post some videos on AOE 3 ? Or Any Other Strategy Game Or you can become a good caster also.
In the past, I played a game like Age of Empire that built a Chinese city and at the beginning of the start there was only town hall with a Chinese wall and a game map that was branched out for each player city I forgot the name of the game. Can anyone help me find the game? because I played this game about 10 years ago, and even though I'm looking, I can't find the game.
@@anthonyt4154 You are a man of wisdom my friend!!! Eggmans quotes work really well with Aoe2 xD ALL SYSTEMS FULL POWERRR!!! -> when the game starts. Get a load of this!!! -> when you rush ur enemy Bwoahaha it's no use, give up! -> when ur enemy rushes you Whaaat?? He's caught up! :O -> When you were ahead in the points but ur enemy reaches imp first NO WAY, I CAN'T BELIEVE DIS!!! -> When you thought you were going to win but the enemy sneaks in a vil and makes a surprise attack and it's GG :C
I think the bug occurs when the AI attempts to send the scout into the opponents base but had a pathing error due to the walls. A theory, a shitty one and I don’t know why it would have changed but I believe there were pathing updates.
One thing that i started to notice, is that the ai that occupy your spot in the game, lose almost all the time. Even in teams. It´s like the ai´s that are at your side, will always be worst than the ai´s against you and your team. Make sense, but makes the games one sided when you want to try to improve your playing watching the ia´s.
I agree, I notice that too. I'm definitely not the best player in the world by any means, however, it is rare that friendly A.I. have a much higher score equal or higher to me.
I'm doing a civ overview booklet (have watched ALOT of SOTL vids) and focusing on Turks at the moment. One of the categories is 2 best teams the Turks sync with well. I'm thinking Berbers and Vietnamese (Potentially Spanish?). Turks get their Teams 20% gunpowder production faster (which Berbers and Vietnamese have a lot of) they in turn give a great trash unit and gold bonuses to the Turks, which is essentially for Turks. Any more suggestions? Thanks. Loving the vids still SOTL!
You know what'd be a great update addition? Make it so that "Enable Cheats" gets an Advanced subsection where you can enable only particular cheats, like enabling "going above and beyond" while leaving "how do you turn this on" and "torpedo" off. Maybe even add options to only enable cheats only for certain players, a limited amount of uses for each cheat, and restrictions on them, such as having only one use of "how do you turn this on" and the restrictions that you must be in the Imperial Age and have 5,000 Stone and Gold, which will be consumed upon the use of the cheat.
When I shift into second gear in my truck I often find myself thinking “okay, Feudal Age here we go!”
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11 11 11
Ok great now focus on the military 😜
so your truck only has 4 gears xDD "NOOO a stop sign, gotta go back to the Dark age! :C 48 48 48!!! alright GG "
"Going Feudal" is a common phrase in my vocabulary - much to the confusion of the 1 or 2 friends I have which don't play AOE 2
Spirit of the Law drag racer confirmed.
Italians fights Turks hand cannoneers with Genoese Crossbowmen, then switches to skirmishers
Italians AI "I think I forgot something?"
"If you forgot, then it wasn't important"
"Yeah, you are right"
[Condottiero under the rain]
11 poor Condo
Building infantry in 2020 11
The Genoese Xbows are just better at social distancing while still providing value
I think xbow is still acceptable!
Going condo against mass handcannon? lol
AI: Clicks up to Imp at 20 mins.
Me: Clicks up to feudal at 23 minutes with 35 vils
Me: dies at normal
Lol I got up to imp in 20 min with over 60 vils
I'm a noob tho haha
@@tada-kun982 what if you get rushed? 48
@@madeiraislander I get rushed? I get the Spanish militia out
he did it perfectly. and then he did what AIs always do and lost all his army to static defense completely unnecessarily. some things never change.
Perfectly as in... Badly but eventually getting there, it'd have probably won if it knew how to use its units rather than letting them die though. Expected
THAT'S JUST THE WAYY IT IIIS~
@@ChrisSPCsi wonder why exactly this isn't patched or updated in AoE. Is it that difficult to program it? Or has it been patched already?
Spirit of the Law: uploads
Me: Time to stop rewatching Spirit of the Law, and start watching Spirit of the Law
A capped ram push of just capped rams.
How quaint!
Any army of RAMS??!
Literally an army of rams fighting an army of skirms. The fight of the century, their battle will be legendary!
Mole is soooooo out, every serious scientist uses Steppelancer as the new unit of quantity!
I actually laughed out loud
lol I thought that said Steppdancer lmao
thats savage af, red deleted all his walls to troll teal.
Not even to troll but just to expand his base uninhibited. By the time you have half the map covered in buildings and your army is advancing into his base, your walls are just an annoying obstacle.
Red was tryna delete teal's walls too.
At 17:12 Teal AI overchopped the woodline and opened a hole in their walls which Red exploited at 17:40 hahahaha
Instructions unclear; got into street racing, now I live my life a quarter mile at a time.
Ah, yes, Fast Imp into throwing away the army to a castle
17:24 just a villager casually repairing *the map.*
What do you mean?
@@dontspikemydrink9382 The villager is repairing the Ram and the Ram moves and the villager is still repairing in the same spot which looks like the villager is repairing the map
@@ravinkenway4988 r/whooosh
It Indeed appears that arrows and blood spoil the lovely grass that was grown by a special gardener just before the fight began. A little thought for the unknown and unnoticed gardeners who take care of the maps we basically ruin during each match. One says they are also the ones who design rugby fields.
@@desmond1766 ????
What I want in the next patch is AIs trash talking to each other.
the current AI wont be able to pull off a successful fast imp. It just struggles way too much against walls/fortifications, ie it doesnt focus down a gate/one section of wall, it hits all the sections at the same time, or gets distracted by a unit inside the wall and runs into towers/castle fire. And speaking of castle fire, the AI just doesnt know how to deal with it. Instead of sending 2/3 BBCs to fire at it from max range, it runs hand cannons into its range, like it forgets that its there. Really missing Barbarian AI right now
AI always deletes its walls on Arena once it expands beyond the initial base. It also builds really crowded bases so I imagine this is to ease pathfinding.
So not only the AI doesn't build walls anymore, it even deletes the walls it has!
@@helaba2957 sometimes it's the first thing they do
I know I'm getting annoying, but i hold it, I miss the guitar intro 😢 still keep up the good work m8
Same. It was cheesey but I loved the mangonel shot
@Muhammad Faiz he made it
Normal Game Plan
*Goth Game Plan*
Karambit coin value
You are not alone bro. I really hoped he would remake it at some point in DE or just reuse the original one 😢
Only spirit of the law would measure the total cost of age advances using (clearly the SI unit for this magnitude) Steppe Lancers
Ah yes, the Steppe Lancer (SL). Ever since it was defined as the SI unit in the Paris Science Convention of 1833 it has become a fan favorite of the metric system.
It's nice to see how an AI acts, used to do it 20 years ago (it could hardly handle a wall). Could you do one on an AI with no gold? Or little starting food or wood around, to see how it manages different resource shortages
Tried the Ai on Forest nothing. just took wood :/
your gear shifting analogy is... so spot on. perfect.
Yes!! Seriously right on point.
This leads to the question: which civ has the best fast Imp? Turks, Italians, Byzantines, Vikings, Malay?
I’d say Turks get the best fast imp for the free gunpowder power spike.
You're ignoring the Khmer, which is arguably the fastest.
Portuguese, because the downside to fast imp is that your eco is trash. But Portuguese can add Feitoria in imp and actually have a somewhat decent eco as it adds in cheaper hand cannons and Bombards, and then you can get ballistics on those eventually and switch into organ gun+halb+bbc
EDIT - Vikings also arent bad, as the free wheel+handcart really helps, but they dont have anything to go into in imp, and are a much better FC civ
I like to go fast imp with the indians and boom then. Their villagers are much cheaper in imp. Has worked sometimes hasn't worked sometimes.
What about Sarazens with their market bonus? I could see them being decently fast
Interesting how the AI has improved so much and can easily defeat a new player and yet it still makes mistake not even the newest of players would do, like going for the gold in the middle of the map or building outside your walls when you're being attacked. Goes to show there's still a ton of room for improvement.
If possible can you someday invite Prome to watch an AI game with you. With his insight there could be a ton of fun things to learn about it.
Extreme AI is way above 1000 ELO. I am sitting at about 920, and Extreme AI demolishes me every time, likely comically bad. The AI is far better at keeping pressure and managing pressure. Basically, I'd say that at 1000 ELO, microing and controlling all troops while also managing economy is really hard. So like the AIs ability to manage eco through a military push puts it a lot ahead of me. The reason I'd say it is far better than 1000 is that me and my friend (who is about 1020) did a 2 people controlling one civ and we still lost really handily to the Extreme AI, and that was mitigated what is probably our biggest weakness compared to AI
meanwhile, the hard AI rips me apart in less than 30 minutes...
btw, i really think that we need to see what is the supposed ELO rating of the different levels of AI. a robot, like Alphastar in Star Craft, would also be fun to play against. The Viper would "enjoy" it quite a lot, I'm sure.
PS: How is the Extreme AI working in a team game? what if the Turks are pocket in a 3v3?
Bruh noob
SotL said AI chooses whether Fast Imperial is viable, then rushes it if it is.
I like the idea to have an estimate of it's ELO, but playing against it in multiplayer wouldn't be very interesting... Unless they published the ELO results every month, but never revealing the AI name. Of course some may still figure it out, but it wouldn't be that obvious to lower rated players.
Instructions unclear. Revved too much, blew my engine and lost the race
Glad to see the ai is learning let’s hope it watches the rec and learns from its mistakes
Teal is losing and thinks to himself: "how do I turn this around?" Answer: *USE VILLAGERS TO ATTACK RAMS!"
unless he'd pick spanish (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Imagine being worse than an ai in a game (definitely not me)
Everyone is worse than AI. There is probably no competitive game where AI can't be made better than humans. Humans may understand the game, but they also need to execute and that assumes the human player can take in all the game state and weigh it's importances correctly. The impressive thing is that these AIs are hand crafted, but these people also take a lot of data and distill working strategies.
The AI can micro every single unit at the same time, so good luck with that.
It is restricted by design because not even the best players could beat a fully unleashed AI.
imagine an ai being able to micro infinitely faster than a human player
@@andreaaristokrates9516 AI gets worse as the game goes on
@@Hanfgurkenhasser Bro this AI is scripted(best i've ever seen till this day).It's whole logic is if this happens do this if that happens do that.A thinking AI is always better than human player and can micro manage every unit but you need a server to run it on.Watch this th-cam.com/video/cUTMhmVh1qs/w-d-xo.html the Ai built for starcraft 2 is so impressive.I think 5 to 10 years from now Ai can do everything better than we can do it just lacks imagination and intuition.
Remember me, anyone?
Yeah I am your upgraded version i.e The Champion
a 2 handed sword an diaguised as a vietnease Archer?? What is this madness!!!???
How could I forget great master
2h sword you are the sexiest and most aesthetic of the militia line
Malay fast imp into forced levy two handed swordsman. Unbeatable
I haven't done a lot of testing but extreme AI lost to barbarian AI in all the games I ran simulation in. I don't even think barbarian AI is even running as good as it does on voobly either. It's not as bad as DM though. Extreme doesn't even put up a fight. It's a landslide victory. Extreme AI needs some love in the death match department
How did you get barbarian to play on extreme? I can only get it to play properly up to Hard.
I didn't do anything in particular to get it to win games though if it's actually functioning correctly then I doubt it.
I downloaded AI Pack by Scintyx (www.ageofempires.com/mods/details/1912) and I make sure I'm not using any DE civs in the game. The AI will say it's running on a difficulty below hard but to me it seems to performing close to what it does on voobly (even if I'm wrong with how well it's performing it's still beating the Extreme AI)
1:20 Incidentally, look at that marvellous DE gen. Red has a spare gold and stone outside his wall, whereas teal's is neatly tucked away behind the wall.
8:38 it gets impatient and buys the food :D
10:40 castle is only well placed if your opponent doesn't do fast imp... or does fast imp but is teal
17:07 if an AI signals in the forest, does it make a sound?
18:29 the farm micro is next-level
Nice catch, I also saw the market abuse :D
What i miss in age of empires 2 is personalities in age of mythology when you selected a AI in random map you select a personality either RUSH, BOOM , DEFENDER .
Rush atacks early
Boom atacks mid game has al ot of economy and tries to atack in mid game
Defender atacks late game. and usese a lot of towers and defensive buildings.
yeah nah, it would maker the AI even easier because you know what it's going to do, and the AI already sucks at doing it's strategies.
@@exen8650 you also have a general Ai option. wich does unpredicted things
And if you put it on random you don't know what he will do.
@@exen8650 I don't see the problem. It's like a player you're used to play against. You have an idea of what they're going to try to do.
I'm 1100 rated and I cant beat the extreme ai so I think your estimation is off
You just have to learn a build order and you'll start mopping the floor with it
@@maxwallace8189 that's basically cheesing tho
@@diegeigergarnele7975 But then he won't be 1100 rated anymore. I think extreme AI is around 1200 on average. Much better on late game than early game. Maybe 1100 early game and 1300 imperial.
Fast imperial is like robbing a bank. You can profit massively but you only have about 3 minutes before the cops show up and wreck your shit
I proposed putting a version of the AI difficulties on ranked on reddit last week :D
Maybe not easy, but hard, hardest and extreme would be pretty interesting. Their names should be changing to avoid people abusing tower rushes etc though.
meanwhile the extreme AI shits on me except when I mass Spanish cannon galleons in water maps. Those things are really unstoppable
This strategy has the same problem as every other strategy the AI uses - throwing units at a castle. Played against it a couple of times - on both attempts the AI lost 30+ units, mostly hand cannons
to castle fire, while I sat behind - boomed and overwhelmed him with units.
Correct. You even see this in campaigns.
I defeat extreme AI by building walls with a hole in them. As soon as the AI realizes there is a path, they won’t normally bother breaking through anywhere else. Even if that hole requires units to go all the way around the perimeter while under attack from units on the other side. Even if that hole has a castle or a bunch of towers guarding it.
next AI strat: fast full maxed out paladins
I love how pro players can always find minor imperfections in the extreme AI. In reality this AI wipes the floor with most average players
Amen
I believe the AI scouts are trying to explore beyond the trees
You mean it's attempting to explore the forested regions? That's good call. That's probably what it's doing.
Always nice to see a Spirit of the Law video in the morning!
In the evening ;-)
Thanks for uploading --I too was curious what the AI would do when I read that it is supposedly capable of "Fast Imperial".
Dark age farms are pretty awful but in this case, it needed 6-8 of them to get a decent time, 21-22min. When I do this as Byzantines I can generally get 20-21min but then have to research chemistry afterward. A bombard cannon should be queued ASAP as this is what pressures the opponent's buildings, but it didn't do this really at all. As you noted, there is a lot of opportunity to improve this build but it's mostly in the strategy after imperial is reached.
Could be an Arena thing, I played vs Extreme Turks yesterday and it did full Feudal archer + spear. It got destroyed with 4 knights as soon as I hit Castle, felt like a 800 elo player.
Hey Spirit!! I saw your video about what to do with the first 15 vils in a generic map. Watching this video made me thinl about how cool it would be if your made more play-oriented videos, since the one I mentioned was actually top quality content!
portuguese fast imp is also pretty popular for access to arquebus and the feitoria boom allowing you to pop up fast after reaching imp
What!!? Me and my friends are terrible, we knoe all the triks and strategies but we usually play 4 against 2 extreme AI and it can go any way. We mostly win but sometimes they just annihilate us... how could this Cyan AI have been so terrible? They usually micro likes nobodys business too. i suck and i could have made that hand canoneer and canon push work
It isn't “teal”, it's CYAN! Check the game files!
Apart from that: good video!
Ohh, teal is a color! Damn, now everything makes so much more sense. And I sat here thinking "that's a weird nickname for an AI"...
Pretty much every TH-camr calls it teal. I dont see why someone would feel the need to correct this when the meanings of the two words, teal and cyan, are almost identical
The gearing analogy of faster age up makes perfect sense
The thing is that if the script wants to feel more organic, it shouldn't min-max too much, cutting every millisecond it could, because the AI can do that better than any Human, period, if you script it so. You don't want the AI to be as good as it could be, because then it would be unbeatable because no matter how many actions-per-minute a player can achieve, an AI can just do more with a minimum of processing power. Rather you want to take an average of player performance as your guide. So if you think you, as a Human player, should have 30 villagers by time X, then you don't want every Instance of an AI to do that. Better to have 29 villagers this time. Then script in a time where it waits for 31 villagers. This achieves the desired effect of being only moments ahead or behind players in any given strategy on average.
yeah, SotL doesn't seem to understand that for some reason.
The AI being made to be "unbeatable" isn't possible right now. At least, not according to the guy who makes it, and he should know. The game is far too complicated.
@@alecpalmer1538 Depends on what you mean by unbeatable. There are finite caps on the AI such as villagers can only be made so fast, but think of this: What if the AI automatically took a group of sixty archers and had it split into six sections of ten that each focused fire together against one target. That is six enemies being focused down each volley. With a few lines, you could then have the archers always avoid overkill, where you hit with ten arrows that do would 50 damage against a foe with 1 hp left, no the AI could be told to immediately switch the redundant nine arrows against a new target, ensuring that 45 damage still counts. Suddenly, you have maximum potential DPS being dolled out every single volley. What if the AI could have formations-split against every mangonel shot, continuously and all the time? What a good human could do by neglecting everything else for several seconds can be done continuously and completely by the AI all the time while still placing new buildings, assigning tasks, and directing troops. Add all this sort of thing up and you have unbeatable.
The game is not too complicated. It is because you don't want the AI to be that way. You want it to be as imperfect as people, as diverse as people.
"Hey Guys, Spirit of the Law here, as you can see, the Extreme AI can cheat their way into a fast imperial, or maybe they don't
I'm only here to learn on how to street race
I feel the spirit of drew durnil
WHY DO THE UNITS STAND UNDER CASTLE FIRE. SO HARD TO WATCH LOL
if teal had just used bombard cannons to kill the castle..
Yes, the best way to fast imp is to only make one bombard cannon and sit your hand cannons under enemy castle fire 🤙🏼
I've been practicing and I'm able to finish fast imp with Turks around 21/22 Minutes
With or without an opponent?
@@buttnuttz6119 Normal 1 vs 1 ranked arena Games
Teutons are often good civ to go fast imp.
Tfw I can't beat the extreme AI without cheesing :(
Hey man are you going to do tatars overview one day ?
for the scouts bugging, I think it's just trying to click into the trees, so the scout gets as close as it can to the rally point for a bit and then moves to a new one
getting a few instances of the AI elo rated would be a useful metric, that way elo itself could be compared against a static metric (and all new ais would be on new accounts)
scouts feel bugged in general including auto scout for the player usually getting stuck in forests
yin yang for you
I'd be interested to see a video expanding on the maths of that point about delaying feudal in order to get faster castle/imperial. Presumably it comes down to getting out villagers earlier rather than researching feudal age. But how long would it take for that effect to get overwhelmed by economy techs or extra town centres?
Why was the AI garrisoning the Hand Cannoneers in the Archery Range?
10 minutes into the game
Feudal age ally: give wood
give wood give wood
Me as Byzantine in Imperial age: TAKE 2000 WOOD
Is it weird that I go up at 25-26 vils with this strat and am in imp ~19:45-20:15 and have double archery range+ 1 siege workshop working, ANDDDDDDD....
i’m 1.1k since i just started playing again
Oh my god I remember watching this when it came out and you saying "7 on sheep? Thats a little weird" was what alerted me to the fact that I was putting one too many on sheep
Red won because they went Cavalry, that's the only reason... NERF!
I need AoE II - not quite at IV yet it needs more content for me, to go on sale already.
I've already learned so much in the past few days of reading & just processing this game online!
Hey Spirit ! If you having problems finding new topics , then why don't you post some videos on AOE 3 ? Or Any Other Strategy Game Or you can become a good caster also.
Man, I'm so used to seeing top-notch clownery that this is actively painful to watch.
Just tried to do this with Khmer... forgot that they no longer get Bombard Cannon...
That manual transmission analogy is great! Definitely a mindset that I have a hard time fighting.
16:19 Let me repair this....No, I forget this.... NO, wait, you still need more!
In the past, I played a game like Age of Empire that built a Chinese city and at the beginning of the start there was only town hall with a Chinese wall and a game map that was branched out for each player city
I forgot the name of the game. Can anyone help me find the game? because I played this game about 10 years ago, and even though I'm looking, I can't find the game.
They need to create an AI that learns like stockfish, and then it will completely crush us, but give us new strategies
I miss the guitar intro! 😢
here law, guys of the spirit Hey
😂
What you did there, I see.
no way, i can't believe this!!!
@@madeiraislander I heard Sonic Adventure's Eggman
@@anthonyt4154 You are a man of wisdom my friend!!! Eggmans quotes work really well with Aoe2 xD
ALL SYSTEMS FULL POWERRR!!! -> when the game starts.
Get a load of this!!! -> when you rush ur enemy
Bwoahaha it's no use, give up! -> when ur enemy rushes you
Whaaat?? He's caught up! :O -> When you were ahead in the points but ur enemy reaches imp first
NO WAY, I CAN'T BELIEVE DIS!!! -> When you thought you were going to win but the enemy sneaks in a vil and makes a surprise attack and it's GG :C
AI is better than me.
I stopped playing because I was awful at countering different types of units.
I missed a SoTL approved fast imp build order
I think the bug occurs when the AI attempts to send the scout into the opponents base but had a pathing error due to the walls. A theory, a shitty one and I don’t know why it would have changed but I believe there were pathing updates.
so the theory of the AI was right but its unit control and practical decisions were bad. maybe the extreme AI is just a twitch chat gm
I think it will fair better if you try on a different map, Awesome video as always though.
The car accelaration metaphor is perfect damn
People used to build Bomberd towers to deal with the rams. Now its a comedy tower with high price😂
*JUST ONE THING , TRIBUTE TO OTHER PLAYERS WILL MORE CHANCE TO GET FAST IMPERIAL*
One thing that i started to notice, is that the ai that occupy your spot in the game, lose almost all the time.
Even in teams. It´s like the ai´s that are at your side, will always be worst than the ai´s against you and your team.
Make sense, but makes the games one sided when you want to try to improve your playing watching the ia´s.
I agree, I notice that too. I'm definitely not the best player in the world by any means, however, it is rare that friendly A.I. have a much higher score equal or higher to me.
When things goes out of control....I be like
How do you turn this on
Wow, I always thought teal is a name.
I feel dumb
RIP the teal monk who died by his own bombard cannon at 13:38.
2:06. Pitfall? Are you Mekkah? lol
What map is this? It looks very cool
This leads to the question which AI Civ is better?
The AI puts mines and docks EVERYWHERE. Including at the location a stone or gold pile used to exist...even if it's been harvested already.
Extreme AI cutting straggler trees. Lol.
Turkey’s combine is so fragile
I'm doing a civ overview booklet (have watched ALOT of SOTL vids) and focusing on Turks at the moment. One of the categories is 2 best teams the Turks sync with well. I'm thinking Berbers and Vietnamese (Potentially Spanish?). Turks get their Teams 20% gunpowder production faster (which Berbers and Vietnamese have a lot of) they in turn give a great trash unit and gold bonuses to the Turks, which is essentially for Turks. Any more suggestions? Thanks. Loving the vids still SOTL!
Is there a taunt that will cause an AI to build a market?
17:27 AI deletes all his walls
You know what'd be a great update addition? Make it so that "Enable Cheats" gets an Advanced subsection where you can enable only particular cheats, like enabling "going above and beyond" while leaving "how do you turn this on" and "torpedo" off. Maybe even add options to only enable cheats only for certain players, a limited amount of uses for each cheat, and restrictions on them, such as having only one use of "how do you turn this on" and the restrictions that you must be in the Imperial Age and have 5,000 Stone and Gold, which will be consumed upon the use of the cheat.
the gears methaphor is pretty good actually