Very interesting, thanks for sharing that part of Rallying with us. Great job the co-pilots are doing ! More than one would probably puke up trying to read at those kind of speeds !
if youre in the front of the car theres almost no way you can get carsick... if im at the wheel or in shotgun im fine but in buses or backseat of a car its awful
They are in some rally, but not WRC. Some rally events in the US hand out packets with the pace notes already written down. Also there are machines that determine the corner angles and such. That info is then translated into more legible notes and then handed out to teams, iirc.
Hello Uploader, thank you so much for this awesome video! Quick question: What were the names of the two gentlemen who came up with the method for the steering wheel? I had a hard time understanding. Thanks!
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First time I heard pace notes was in colin mcrae rally 2.0 and I thought the numbers meant what the suitable gear would be for the corner, let's say a 6 would be gear 6 meaning that the turn would be wide
yes rally drivers and co piolet the course before the race it
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It’s funny to watch Hyundai pros driving BMW X3/X4 as a recco vehicle. Guys from Subaru or Mitsubishi had it much easier back in time... I remember Colin McRae and Nicky Grist driving white Volvo S60 AWD as their recco car.
i think your mistaking stuff, the number (30 for example) tells the driver how far it is till the turn and the the turn number (right 3 for example) tells the driver how difficult the turn is. 1 being the lowest and 5 being the highest. this allows them to have an idea of whats ahead.
seems to be opposite on the numbers, the lower number the harder the turn is, take a look at his wheel, the first number from center is 6, and then it counts downwards as you get further out from the center. This is also the way turns are described in games like DiRT Rally forexample
Well now I know what the girl is telling me when I play Dirt 3. Too bad it doesn't help me as I don't have a racing wheel setup. Thanks for the video! I learned something new.
Miles11we because when the pace notes in the game tell me left 6, there's no way for me to put the wheel on 6 without a wheel. And, I've noticed Dirt 3 with the game pad that I have is not very organic. That is, I'm tapping the wheel left or right instead of holding the trigger just a little off center. It might be that my trigger is set up in digital feedback instead of analog feedback. I'll have to check that out.
Machtyn yeah but you still know generally what an r2 or l6 looks like and if you should be breaking or whatever. do pikes peak without and with pacenotes- with will be alot faster.
Redo the video and drop the music altogether. Can't understand much of the narration or explanation, not that it would make sense to me anyway, but the distraction is annoying. Try racing with the radio turned up loud so you can't hear the navigator. Otherwise, pretty informative.
Recce car choice is an interesting subject. As far as I know, none of the manufacturers use their own cars for the recce (Volkswagen used to, but they're gone now).
Freeze is probably freezing the trip meter that tells him the apex of the corner and then restart will continue the meter back to normal i would imagine
yeah its for his trip meter. the co-driver also has A) a button or B) pedal to reset his "inbetween" trip meter (has two, one tells total distance traveled, one is reset between calls)
Can't most part of this be done with a set of g-force sensors and steering potentiometer on the car? Problem is probably that it would be too expensive?
Firstly it's not allowed, based on the rules. Secondly your recce's speed cannot exceed 70kmph. So you can't judge/simulate the g forces and potentiometers because each corner can be taken in a very different manner
If we rally in Belgium, it's tarmac and fast. A lot of the stages are tree lined. Doh! When doing the notes, my driver never mentions trees, but I do in the notes as a caution if its not obvious, and he doesn't mind. They are the downfall of many a rally crew.
what about the "left six ONE HUNDRED"? or left six EIGHTY, TWO HUNDRED? i realized through experience(?) that it means easier?? a 6 right 100 is easier than a 6 right? maybe i am getting it all wrong, so i am here all nooby asking you guys lol thanks in advance
ok i did some studying lol that number means distance, so yeah, in a way i was right, the bigger the number the easier the turn will be, because, for me at least, it gives more time to adjust the car or correct mistakes. Although 6 right LONG can also give the same idea, but i still remember that the 6 right 100 and maybe extending to 200 is a easier turn Anyways, this video gave me the will to do some more research ;)
umm do someone thinks that co driver can be just leave behind the starting line ?. he will more in the focus when he is not in the car . you can simply communicate and connected video from the car. . then when crushed only one dies .
No. The co-driver does so much more then just give directions, (think changing tyres, adding to the notes, working out times, which have to be worked out down to the minute etc.) Also, many stages are in areas with out phone coverage.
+ALSPEHEIR its a rule you have to have a co driver, theres a famous story of a driver who was pissed off with co drivers and one day just found a random villiager (the smallest guy he could find of course for weight reduction) and made him sit in the passenger seat so he could drive in peace xD
ALSPEHEIR damn it i've been bamboozled! geez i never get caught out by this bs kinda thing, i remember hearing about it on a TV show so i guess thats why i didnt question it lol
Okay so now you explain why. But not what the values mean. That would be cool to understand a bit of what the different values actually means and how you got to them
That is for when they are doing recce, (so making the pacenotes) which is on roads open to the public and with a lowish speed limit. Not for when they are actually competing!
robinheil maybe learn to listen to perfectly fine english since your comment is written in good english. i am going to assume your an ignorant american.
gabba why thank you that was the intention since it's generally ignorant Americans who think that if it's not in their accent that it needs captions even if the primary language is indeed English
Howto not they don't use them during the race. They just use the numbers when making the pace notes. That way they don't have to try and guess the consistency of their notes.
I hate to be "that guy, but all this did was leave me even more confused about pace notes. Why not just have a system where the co-pilot says something like, "Right sharp mid," instead of all of these weird numbers and minuses and whatnot? That and memorizing the tracks and doing solo rallies are so much easier than trying to understand the pace notes. And... Speeding... In a race... Am I missing something here? First, you get penalized for making it from one stage to another too quickly (Not counting traffic violations) and now you get penalized for finishing a race too quickly? I thought the point of a race was to make it from one point to another as fast as possible. These rules and regulations make me NOT want to get into rallying because all I'm hearing is that you get punished for trying.
Brock Dumesnil yep, you've missed the point. the speed limits only apply during reconnaissance ("reccy") when they're learning the route "2 day, 2 pass reccy" as they say. the speed limit is so they don't affect the car in front/behind as they reccy. For the stage proper they're flat out. In a rally you often have to drive in public roads between stages as well, so you have to stick to the speed limits.
Brock Dumesnil they don't use those terms because they're open to interpretation, sharp right mid could mean one thing to one person and something else to another, numbers brings consistency and also allows for interchangeable co drivers and drivers. It's especially important because of all the varying courses/layouts.
d1oftwins Because hillclimb events are just one stretch of road, therefore not needing a nav because you would get used to it over a few reccy runs/practice attacks.
in Dirt 3 and sega rally, im more annoyed at the dude screaming directions at me and it makes me loose concentration so whenever possible i turn it of, i can clearly see the road i dont need some dude telling me where to go.
im driving as fast as possible without overshooting a curve, its not possible to drive faster than i do without having time to brake. its not essential to have a dude screaming in my face and making me loose concentration, and he even says themn to late and making me crash
Maybe because you're turning ON the directional map.. Try turning it OFF and drive as fast as you can and tell me how many crashes you've got .. If it's a clean race though, then you've already memorized the stage !
Can you make the music a bit louder next time? I almost understood what they've said
@alecman95 the most British comment ever : D
Sarcastic
Hahahahaha
@@snairriansNo he is being dead serious
Clean your ears
Although the video is absolutely great - the bombast music isn't and makes it only harder to understand, imo.
I'm a huge Formula 1 enthusiast but Rally is something that never fails to amaze me
me too.. Rally is crazy the amount of skill and commitment required...
Some F1 drivers such as Kimi and ex F1 Driver Mika have Rally/Rallycross roots. Most Finns start racing at a very young age.
Vinny V most succesfull F1 drivercwhichcalsocparycopated incrallies including WRC is Robert Kubica.
I'm a nascar fan and also a huge interest with WRC.
A lot of people don't realize how time consuming process it is to make good pace notes.
it takes time to perfect the communication between the two, but writing notes is rather simple haha
Absolutely, this video doesn’t help one bit . No one , I mean absolutely no one will ever know or understand
That unravelled some of the mystery surrounding the commentary from the co-driver that you hear during a rally.
Very interesting, thanks for sharing that part of Rallying with us. Great job the co-pilots are doing ! More than one would probably puke up trying to read at those kind of speeds !
Mic Sub Probably harder than doing the driving. I'd puke.
when he showed his notes...i thought he was describing the equation of flying to another galaxy.
Very interesting stuff! I'd like to see more of insider/prep stuff that demonstrates all the effort that comes with Rally Driving.
Thanks a lot guys, this is very helpful, seems like a lot of preparation goes into the co-driving stuff
The one sport that incorporates homework into the game
One of the best video's I've seen on the art of pace noting! Thanks guys.
Eyyyy now im faster in dirt rally
@1984_C10 same, lol
So were gathered here boys
Im here too
Great video, my question, how does the co driver not get sick reading notes on a fast rough stage.
Not everyone gets carsick like that. Some people can do it.
+Deniedstingray I guess so. I'd pass out lol
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Yeah, i'd be screwed too.
I was thinking the same thing.
if youre in the front of the car theres almost no way you can get carsick... if im at the wheel or in shotgun im fine but in buses or backseat of a car its awful
Awesome and very informational! thank you
Thanks for the upload.
Hey paddon is me moses am from uganda , thanks for your teaching its helping
The music ruined it. Very informative otherwise
Fascinating. Always wondered how the notes were created and decifered.
That's cool. I always thought the pace notes were given to them ready to go haha
They are in some rally, but not WRC. Some rally events in the US hand out packets with the pace notes already written down. Also there are machines that determine the corner angles and such. That info is then translated into more legible notes and then handed out to teams, iirc.
Very informative, could have done with a quieter music track
So thats how its done!!! Awesome explanation.
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Hello Uploader, thank you so much for this awesome video! Quick question: What were the names of the two gentlemen who came up with the method for the steering wheel? I had a hard time understanding. Thanks!
Ben Helmuth the names were Possum Bourne and Rodger Freeth just in case you were still wondering!
Very interesting!
Danggg... what a sport. 👏👏👏
Makes more sense now 👍🏼
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I could never be a co-driver-
-my fingers would always dry up when I try to flip the page and I would end up flipping like 2 or 3 pages
one of the few videos I wished to be the captions in.
Ssufferin ssuccatash great video!!
I have always tought that the number correlates to speed that you carry on
It must be horrifying to lose your spot in the pace notes as co-driver
First time I heard pace notes was in colin mcrae rally 2.0 and I thought the numbers meant what the suitable gear would be for the corner, let's say a 6 would be gear 6 meaning that the turn would be wide
well sometimes it matches the gear ...
The music is not shitty enough. Also, loved the unnecessarily long intro before you start explaining!
Wait the FIA tracks your speed to make sure you’re not speeding during a race?
During recce, not while they are competing : )
Nice to see the heritage of Possum Bourne on the wheel ^^
What is the system that you use called
You Beauty! Cheers!
Nice video, but to people like me in wich English is not our idiom, it would be best to make less loud music
why the music?
Because the uploader is a half-assed wanker
@@whiterottenrabbit lol
yes rally drivers and co piolet the course before the race it
It’s funny to watch Hyundai pros driving BMW X3/X4 as a recco vehicle. Guys from Subaru or Mitsubishi had it much easier back in time...
I remember Colin McRae and Nicky Grist driving white Volvo S60 AWD as their recco car.
Do drivers picture the turn in their heads before getting to it or do they just quickly put the car in the mentioned speed and steer?
i think your mistaking stuff, the number (30 for example) tells the driver how far it is till the turn and the the turn number (right 3 for example) tells the driver how difficult the turn is. 1 being the lowest and 5 being the highest. this allows them to have an idea of whats ahead.
Daniel Bishop Aaaah! I see. Thanks!
seems to be opposite on the numbers, the lower number the harder the turn is, take a look at his wheel, the first number from center is 6, and then it counts downwards as you get further out from the center. This is also the way turns are described in games like DiRT Rally forexample
Well now I know what the girl is telling me when I play Dirt 3. Too bad it doesn't help me as I don't have a racing wheel setup. Thanks for the video! I learned something new.
Machtyn how does pace notes get negated because you dont have a wheel?
Miles11we because when the pace notes in the game tell me left 6, there's no way for me to put the wheel on 6 without a wheel.
And, I've noticed Dirt 3 with the game pad that I have is not very organic. That is, I'm tapping the wheel left or right instead of holding the trigger just a little off center. It might be that my trigger is set up in digital feedback instead of analog feedback. I'll have to check that out.
Machtyn yeah but you still know generally what an r2 or l6 looks like and if you should be breaking or whatever. do pikes peak without and with pacenotes- with will be alot faster.
Redo the video and drop the music altogether. Can't understand much of the narration or explanation, not that it would make sense to me anyway, but the distraction is annoying. Try racing with the radio turned up loud so you can't hear the navigator. Otherwise, pretty informative.
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I wonder why Hyundai uses a Bimmer as a recon car.
Recce car choice is an interesting subject. As far as I know, none of the manufacturers use their own cars for the recce (Volkswagen used to, but they're gone now).
Having freeze and reset buttons on steering wheel cracked me up. Any idea what those do?
+Luka Caric so you can restart the game
Freeze is probably freezing the trip meter that tells him the apex of the corner and then restart will continue the meter back to normal i would imagine
yeah its for his trip meter. the co-driver also has A) a button or B) pedal to reset his "inbetween" trip meter (has two, one tells total distance traveled, one is reset between calls)
Can't most part of this be done with a set of g-force sensors and steering potentiometer on the car? Problem is probably that it would be too expensive?
+MrSaemichlaus I believe that would be against the rules. They also must hand write all of the notes, they are not allowed to use a computer.
Firstly it's not allowed, based on the rules.
Secondly your recce's speed cannot exceed 70kmph. So you can't judge/simulate the g forces and potentiometers because each corner can be taken in a very different manner
If we rally in Belgium, it's tarmac and fast. A lot of the stages are tree lined. Doh! When doing the notes, my driver never mentions trees, but I do in the notes as a caution if its not obvious, and he doesn't mind. They are the downfall of many a rally crew.
mad
I still don't understand any of that
what about the "left six ONE HUNDRED"? or left six EIGHTY, TWO HUNDRED? i realized through experience(?) that it means easier?? a 6 right 100 is easier than a 6 right?
maybe i am getting it all wrong, so i am here all nooby asking you guys lol
thanks in advance
ok i did some studying lol that number means distance, so yeah, in a way i was right, the bigger the number the easier the turn will be, because, for me at least, it gives more time to adjust the car or correct mistakes.
Although 6 right LONG can also give the same idea, but i still remember that the 6 right 100 and maybe extending to 200 is a easier turn
Anyways, this video gave me the will to do some more research ;)
And that's why drivers got paid big time 😎
What is the name of the song in the beginning?
umm do someone thinks that co driver can be just leave behind the starting line ?. he will more in the focus when he is not in the car . you can simply communicate and connected video from the car. . then when crushed only one dies .
No. The co-driver does so much more then just give directions, (think changing tyres, adding to the notes, working out times, which have to be worked out down to the minute etc.) Also, many stages are in areas with out phone coverage.
Can you have a automatic gear in a rally car?
it can be sequential, but not fully automatic. You need to be able to choose right gear cause gearbox can't read pace notes
Does rally absolut requires a two men crew per car or, if you are crazy enough, are you allowed to race alone using a Garmin GPS?
No you need a co driver
+ALSPEHEIR its a rule you have to have a co driver, theres a famous story of a driver who was pissed off with co drivers and one day just found a random villiager (the smallest guy he could find of course for weight reduction) and made him sit in the passenger seat so he could drive in peace xD
***** its mentioned here www.newsbiscuit.com/2012/09/20/rally-driver-admits-he-has-no-idea-what-co-driver-is-talking-about/ (last paragraph),
megaspeed2v2
If you read the tags below the text, you will see that they are in fact, spoof news. They are not real.
None of these drivers even exist.
ALSPEHEIR damn it i've been bamboozled! geez i never get caught out by this bs kinda thing, i remember hearing about it on a TV show so i guess thats why i didnt question it lol
YO! ARE WE DOING AN EDM HOUSE PARTY OR A QUICK DESCRIPTION ON RALLY PACENOTES? HOPE YOU LEARNT THE DIFFERENCE IN 6 YEARS.
*samir, you have to listen to my calls, Samir
Okay so now you explain why. But not what the values mean. That would be cool to understand a bit of what the different values actually means and how you got to them
That thumbnail lol
this kid is lucky
Where is Hayden pannatier?
Wait, you get speeding tickets in WRC?
While doing recce on roads open to the public, yes.
are you austriallian or newyorkin choose one
I thought Colin McRea created the scale, 1-6, corners???
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4:00 thats where the theory begins ...
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Hyundai needs and evo for recce
Is this video also available in english? lol
+Tom D Are you joking?
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Tom D no sorry
Subject is beat to death , BUT , do people review their videos before posting ? So much information lost.
Whats the name of the song?
To make sure you are not speeding?my bru are you sure?
If i read in a car i throw up.
that music does not suite the theme.
Showed this vid to Walter Röhrl. He just laughed and shook his head.
What do you mean? Shook his head in an impressed way? Or scorn?
bassplayinggoalie I can imagine what he meant - pure idiotic shite, as happens always with people talking bits about the past. But maybe not.
Rally racing has a gps to make sure they aren’t speeding???? 🤯 I don’t get it.
That is for when they are doing recce, (so making the pacenotes) which is on roads open to the public and with a lowish speed limit. Not for when they are actually competing!
Great video ruined by the background music.
Excessive music on info channel,made me bypass
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don't cat
Sure wish I could hear the explanation without epic music mixed way too fucking high
HOLLY COW DO YOU HAVE TO YELL THROUGH THE WHOLE VIDEO. TURN THAT VOLUME DOWN A NOTCH THERE BUD!
This really didnt explain the calls at all :(
puede alguien traducir a español
Fucking music
1:49 Wait, you can speed in rally? The fuck?
Durcaz during the sections between stages you have to drive on public roads, abiding by the local laws. thats why rally cars are street legal
I'll be honest I'm only here to understand what the fuck the co driver is saying in dirt rally 2.0
subtitles would have been nice
robinheil maybe learn to listen to perfectly fine english since your comment is written in good english. i am going to assume your an ignorant american.
kyle hubner cuz of the music bum
gabba why thank you that was the intention since it's generally ignorant Americans who think that if it's not in their accent that it needs captions even if the primary language is indeed English
Wtf is this music?
Way too over edited
youd lose focus looking to see if you wheel is at the right number
Howto not they don't use them during the race. They just use the numbers when making the pace notes. That way they don't have to try and guess the consistency of their notes.
pathetic all this new technology no manually thinking
I hate to be "that guy, but all this did was leave me even more confused about pace notes. Why not just have a system where the co-pilot says something like, "Right sharp mid," instead of all of these weird numbers and minuses and whatnot? That and memorizing the tracks and doing solo rallies are so much easier than trying to understand the pace notes. And... Speeding... In a race... Am I missing something here? First, you get penalized for making it from one stage to another too quickly (Not counting traffic violations) and now you get penalized for finishing a race too quickly? I thought the point of a race was to make it from one point to another as fast as possible. These rules and regulations make me NOT want to get into rallying because all I'm hearing is that you get punished for trying.
Brock Dumesnil yep, you've missed the point. the speed limits only apply during reconnaissance ("reccy") when they're learning the route "2 day, 2 pass reccy" as they say. the speed limit is so they don't affect the car in front/behind as they reccy. For the stage proper they're flat out. In a rally you often have to drive in public roads between stages as well, so you have to stick to the speed limits.
Brock Dumesnil they don't use those terms because they're open to interpretation, sharp right mid could mean one thing to one person and something else to another, numbers brings consistency and also allows for interchangeable co drivers and drivers. It's especially important because of all the varying courses/layouts.
isnt it strange that paperwork dictates a race win?
they should do rallies without co drivers too
Yeah that's what they did before co drivers. A lot of people died.
and this, is why hillclimbs have a higher mortality rate.
Hillclimbs don't have co drivers? Why?
d1oftwins
Because hillclimb events are just one stretch of road, therefore not needing a nav because you would get used to it over a few reccy runs/practice attacks.
+Bainanaz
So the might get boring factor trumps the safety factor in this case. Well that's interesting.
Would be good without that dreadful music.pitty...
in Dirt 3 and sega rally, im more annoyed at the dude screaming directions at me and it makes me loose concentration so whenever possible i turn it of, i can clearly see the road i dont need some dude telling me where to go.
then you drive too slow, for good rally driving pace notes are essential
im driving as fast as possible without overshooting a curve, its not possible to drive faster than i do without having time to brake.
its not essential to have a dude screaming in my face and making me loose concentration, and he even says themn to late and making me crash
must have great score
im driving with only the ABS and nothing else so its hard as shiet. but yeah
Maybe because you're turning ON the directional map.. Try turning it OFF and drive as fast as you can and tell me how many crashes you've got .. If it's a clean race though, then you've already memorized the stage !