I built a guitar amp. Built the cab from the ground up. All new cab parts and tolex. It is one of a kind. It has: Two 6"x9" woofers Four 6" woofers Two 4" woofers 16 various sized tweeters And a 10" dual coil subwoofer. And they are all powered by a 400w amp. Yes, it's all car stereo equipment. It looks and sounds AMAZING!!! Everyone who's played through it wants me to build them one. I'll upload a video of it if you'd like to check it out. 😎👍
Both Leo Fender and Jim Marshal used the cheapest least expensive components of the day that they could find to build their amplifiers and cabinets. The fact that they created some of the greatest guitar tones ever happened by mere chance!
I have found paper cones are the best choice for guitar. Doping makes a considerable difference in tone, it also effects longevity. Old Hi fi speakers are usually a pretty good choice for guitar because they are designed for a wide frequency range at faily moderate voltage, and being as most are 2 way will likely be 16 or 8 ohm. I picked up a Hiwat 2x15, well it was a modified 4x12, that has 2 italian 15" hi fi speakers. My god it sounds incredible. I also utilize celestion gt12-70s gt12-30&35s, and sheffield 1200s in the same basic cabinets with my guitar rig. There is definitely a difference in tonal characteristics between the speakers, mostly in the the wattage handling. The 30 & 35s break up sooner and are much brighter but they lack low end where as the 70s and sheffield 70s have better low end and are smoother from low to extremly high volume. Bass speakers are another animal and I will save my experience here for another episode if you happen to do one.
Thrift store old electronics with speakers are a great resource like really old console units. Alnico speakers full paper surround... Experimentation is everything when living on the cheap!
this is an old video but whatever Some years ago a guitarist friend of mine told me about this shop who had this vintage marshall 4x12 for 100€. I rushed on the deal and went to check it out. I was brought in their *warehouse*, to learn that the deal was 2 cabs sold together. The Marshall for 100€ and some weird unmarked oversized 1x12. Opened up the cab held with -ffs- flathead screws to see a speaker with not 4 or 8 but *6 screws(??)*. The name "altoparlante" and something else that I can't remember. From some research I did it was supposed to be a 70's/80's sub. after some bargaining I got the whole deal for 100€. I ended up selling the marshall cab a year later, and I still have it to this day. Sounds huge for a 1x12, and does low mids real nice, amazing with dedicated speakers for mids and highs, as well as a real subwoofer.
to answer your question the Guitar speaker responds to the frequencies of a guitar and may not have an even frequency response with a bass guitars lower tones, the main differentiating factor is the Equalizer and High pass filter on the amp itself any high end sound system/configuration of drivers worth its salt will play a guitar note as good if not better and also reproduce a bass, piano and more, the best systems available will play thunder and water very accurately, all an amp does is amplify the existing signal and the speaker should also do the same, you can listen to a raw un-amplified signal by plugging in high quality headphones or listen to the needle of a record player, the most difficult thing is correcting the acoustics of your room
I'm so glad that modern amp modeling technology started effectively utilizing impulse responses. As a mostly studio recording musician without a lot of access to the real thing, being able to accurately simulate amp electronics, cabinets, and microphone model and placements is absolutely essential. Better yet, I get to bring that diversity to my live rig by using FRFR speakers.
I don't have any of my own videos of it yet, but my rig is essentially the same as Richie castellano's stagesource l2m rig in this video except I have two ran in stereo: th-cam.com/video/qNuJvdKda-M/w-d-xo.html
so if i was to use an amp and speaker and cab molder, lets say a line 6, fractal audio, or even something like guitar rig, revalver, or other software via laptop or what not, and i didn't want to color the sound like a traditional guitar speaker would, would a home speaker give me a cleaner sound? so what im getting at is frfr modeling speakers. im sure head-rush and the other cab makers will disagree, but when i run through my Adam a7x speakers the sound is truer then a head-rush or other. was thinking some pa speakers or home speakers with a wider response, with a matched impedance would do the trick. i also don't want to use a set of stereo speaker on stage so was thinking of building a cab (1/2 or full stack) with said configuration. not trying to save money, just making an attempt to get a cleaner flatter and fuller response so that the modeling can do its job better. any info is helpful
Yeah man you definitely don't want a guitar speaker, you wanna find some 50-100 watt flat response speakers. Honestly you might even consider adding a crossover and tweeter to your cab if you are looking for full range response. A lot of keyboard amps use a similar configuration for the same reason.
@@ForsytheVideo hey thanks, you should do an episode on this subject, no one really talks about other then go buy one of the big box store products or get some pa speakers. or better yet, get something that's so expensive only endorsed pros have access. if people had something to reference i think there would be a stronger diy community for this. one missing aspect from all this is box design and the details that go with that. but i get it, this isn't what your Chanel is about in the first place. thanks for answering.
I know they make bass speakers with aluminum cones but I've not seen a guitar speaker made from it. I did some reading about the old Hartke aluminum speakers and it says they chose aluminum for it's rigidity, but the side effect was a loss of high end clarity due to the mass of the aluminum. That being said, I imagine in a guitar amp they would sound very mid/low mid heavy. Probably not the best choice for guitar. Thank you for watching!
I would like your opinion can I use PA speakers external cab for electric guitar? Would it work well, the tweeters and will affect the sound of the guitar
I do not understand what you say at 2:34 . That's for me rocket science. A guitar speaker cone vibrates the same as a PA speaker because both are driven by only one round coil. So the cone moves in a 360 deg cirkel excact the same. The border (doping?) is excact the same too. The big difference is a PA speaker is to designed to deliver a broad even freq span. The guitar speaker is constructed in the way that you will have peaks and dips in the frequency respons. (look at the graph. data of Jensen speakers) That is due the thicknes of the coil windings, the material of the windings and the material of the cone. Thicknes and stiffnes. A HiFi speaker has an neoprane ore rubber border. It can move very much more than a PA/guitar speaker, but can not handle the attack of a guitar/PA signal. Therefor the stiffer border material. You can even change the sound by applying BisonKit on the border to make it more stiffer.
As long as your amp can handle the ohm rating then yes, doesn't mean it will sound good as bass speakers tend to be more stiff like PA speakers and aren't normally geared toward higher frequencies.
I never found the Overdrive effects on QSC 2000 watts K12.2 speakers but I hear when I wear audiotechnica Headphone from zoom g1x four processesor. Is it thebproblem
I dont like how my digital pedalboard sounds through my fender amp, I need to convert my fender to an amp more suitable for digital pedalboards. what would you recommend? is a fender ultimate chorus 2 x 12.
@@ForsytheVideo Are you sure?? whenever I hear the word vintage I think I will end up getting the very same thing I am trying to escape from... the worst scenario would be not getting the right speakers, or sounding the same.. even I am not pretty sure if replacing speakers will be as good as getting a Line 6 powercab... not even sure the change will do the trick. Still, I am decided to keep that amp.. I will tell you what I see here in the market.. What do you think? : Woofer Celestion G12 V Type 70w Woofer Celestion 12 Vintage 30 60w ----> (is this the one you are talking about?) Celestion G-12h 16 Ohms - 12 ' Celestion G12m Greenback 8ohm speaker 25w 12¨ Celestion G12h 70 Aniversario 30 W 12'' Celestion G-12m Creamback 65w Black Week Celestion Classic Lead 80 12'' Celestion G12t-75 G12t 8 Ohms 75w Celestion Seventy 80 ---> (this one I understand is quite bad and cheap.) Also I saw in one video that G12 H are more heavy and sound too high and too low (which is not what I want, I dont want to end up deaf). Then there is that Eminence CV 75 that looks far more balanced than G12H. (I dont play much metal, I am really more into sounding clear, chorus, phaser, then some distortion but little. Really in my fender amp the acoustic simulator doesnt sound as good as when I put my GT10 in USB and record.) I was seeing my future and gathering a fortune to buy a powercab line 6 (for digital pedalboards). Then this chance appeared and might solve my problem, not needing tons of money..
@@capsuleboy if you aren't a vintage 30 fan the Celestion G12t-75 is a really good, higher powered choice, and the Eminence is a good choice too. I have a cab with Eminence Swamp Thangs and Eminence Texas Heats in an x pattern and it is a warm(very very loud) punchy metal machine.
@@ForsytheVideo I am not really into metal, I rather want to throw chords with effects, I usually use chorus, phaser, step phaser, or things like that, but I want my fender to sound like a monitor. You know that gt10, gt100 and gt1000 (or any other digital toy) really need not to be cut in certain frecquencies, I will probably jump from the gt10 to gt1000 some day, or gt100 or another digital thing. A few days ago I plugged my phone to check how the amp worked, I used the amp return and noticed how shut down and opaque it sounds (as if It had a blanket on it), then I plugged into the input and realised that it sounds better in the input, but still it sounds a bit aggressive and definitely not like a monitor or a stereo system.. it is aggressive and a bit colourless, it is like some frecquiencies are missing. Loud yes, but not clean. About the Eminence, there are lots of eminence in the market but I am not sure which one to buy. CV75 not available though, still I will have to make an extensive research to make my gt10 work with my fender.. so you suggest vintage 30 or g12t 75 as the better options for a digital thing? and about eminence? could you tell me about a model that could be good for digital pedalboards? Thanks for answering, and check my channel, there is one recording with a preset of my gt10 into the PC (USB). Not good but that kind of clean sounds are the ones I use, usually lots of delay. Little wing, Police songs, white snake is this love, pink floyd wall intros, that is the kind of things I play. My fender sounds like a jazz thing totally opaque and colourless, actually it sounds as if I had a hollowbody or semi-hollowbody guitar in my hands, not sure if the amp is meant to sound like that or if it already an old amp (and wearing off). I bought it secondhand... Thank you man. I will research about those 2 speakers and probably if I do something I will tell you the results.
@@capsuleboy It sounds like you want something with a more flat response, so I would suggest a live sound reproduction speaker. Something like an Eminence Beta 12a would get you there. Bear in mind though a guitar amp is always going to color the sound, and usually by enhancing the midrange(rather dramatically in some cases). A powered monitor(with an adjustable tweeter) might suit you better.
Thanks for the info! I have a bugera 6260 212 combo with a Texas heat and a swamp thang that i couldn't get to sound the way I liked but now I'm hoping its because I'm not playing my amp past 1 or 2 on the lead channel and about 3 on clean. when you said your rig doesn't sound to good at low volumes I might be having the same problem. could it be because I'm not pushing my speakers to their sweet spot in the house? the reason I have these two speakers now is because I used to play through a Texas heat and man o war that were perfect for metal. I'm not sure if I should try new speakers to get the tone I want or if this is going to sound clear and not woofy at shows. I play in low tunings
@@papaidolatrine2499 if they sound like they are farting they might be blown or worse...your amp might be. make sure they are wired to match the ohms of the amp output they are connected to, then make sure they aren't wired out of phase. They will sound awful and thin if wired out of phase. Putting those speakers in my 4x12 was the best thing I ever did for my live rig but they love power. They aren't bedroom speakers that's for sure. You may need something lower in wattage to get the sound you want at lower volumes.
You probably figured this out by now but your speakers are big iron high powered speakers that need to get hit hard to get moving. You probably would be much better off with like a celestion 70th annv. Or else regular green backs for that amp. Another celestion that is good that gets shit on are the celestion 7080 or G12p80 and those speakers took an orange amp to new levels that sounds like poo with V30 or VOTW speakers. 7080 for low budget and 70th annv. annual. EVH black backs for high dollar. Bugera speakers aren't that bad but I'd rather use 7080 celestion speakers over Bugera.
Yea I ended up trading the amp in at guitar center because it sounded great at shows but made me feel like Marty Mcfly Everytime I wanted to jam alone haha. Ended up getting a helix lt and an alto. Not my dream rig but it met most of my needs in terms of function. I’m buying 2 2x12 cabinets tomorrow with EH VR75’s in them hoping that I’ll be able to use real cabs live again or possibly retrofit my alto into one of the cabs as a homemade frfr cab. Haven’t played a show since before covid around the last time I commented here by the way.😮
Thank you for the very informative info ,I was trying to find out if a bass guitar speaker will work in my Hughes and Kettner Matrix 100 ,1x12 combo amp ? It currently has a Celestion, but wanting to upgrade,and was offered a Altec Lansing 421 8h series 11 speaker ,but not sure if it's a bass speaker or guitar speaker, it does say bass musical instruments on the magnet,thank you !
So the "guitar" speaker is more efficient because of the light paper cone, paper/dope surround? I would venture to guess that because of the light constitution, I would take less power to move the same amount of air, than say a heavy butylene rubber surround and kevlar spider. With that being said the guitar speaker would be more prone to secondary ocillations and all kinds of weird flex. Do I have this correct? I was thinking of using guitar speakers for my homebrew 50 watt stereo tube amp, for their efficiency.
Absolutely correct. That's why higher wattage guitar speakers don't sound good at low volume, because they are much stiffer and it takes a lot more power to get those secondary vibrations and breakup.
I have a 15watt guitar amp, im only using the effects return as direct input. Can i replace it with a 300watt 12 inch instrumental speaker, like the ones in PAs
@@BooRat-ep5rn can you even fit a 12" in there? You can do it but it will be very under powered, as long as you match the ohm rating to your amp it will work.
Beware of swapping speakers in a modelling amp (as the fender mustang etc) you do not need a guitar speaker! The modelling processor makes the specific sound of a speaker/speaker cabinet. so the fysical speaker must have a PA like respons! Many video's shows modelling amps with guitar speaker swaps. It will never sound as good as the original speaker.
Hello, i have Fernandes fa15 guitar amp, its a 15watt amp, it has an 8ohm speaker but no indication as to how many watts, im guessin 35watts, so is it okay to replace it with a 8ohm 50watt speaker?
Yeah that would be perfect actually, you'll get the full headroom out of the speaker and your amp will clip before the speaker does(meaning you won't blow the new speaker).
I REALLY want to know how feasible this is the other way around. If I have an old 1x12 or 1x15 cab, can I wire up the speaker to a stereo w/ a crossover and turn it into a stereo speaker or subwoofer?
Absolutely, but it depends on the type of speaker and the specs of the cab as to whether or not it sounds good. My advice is give it a shot! You never know what you might discover.
I’m also curious if this will work. I wonder if people have done this. The guitar speakers are not designed for low frequency response ie low bass but that’s why there are active subs. I would love to know if I could use guitar speakers for low to high midrange and then ad a a tweeter.
Playing music on a guitar speaker oh hell no. Playing guitar on a guitar speaker yes. Playing guitar on a guitar speaker with tube amp, oh hell yeah! Just like tube guitar amps sound better than solid state, same thing with vacuum tube HiFi amps especially with high efficiency HiFi speakers.
I use guitar specific speakers in some amps and hifi speakers in others. All 12". For lots of my recordings I prefer very clean sounds. They are not sterile or dull, just another way to hear guitar sounds. I can add effects with (IMO) better sounds allowing the effects, OD, etc to work on there own so to speak. As a young guy in the 50's and 60's, I disliked all the tube amps (no other choice early), because they sounded cheap and scrambly to me. I haven't lost that view. I want the volume producer to do just that. I.E. not to color the sound before I do that with other means. No criticism here, just another view. Thanks!
Interesting, but aren't most hifi woofers kind of lacking in what is called "sensitivity"? Relative to guitar speakers, that is? So you'd get a flatter, smoother frequency response with hifi speakers, but the downside (or maybe could be an upside) is lower volume for a given amp output. I seem to recall my hifi woofers were about 88/89 db whereas guitar speakers are typically at or above 95 db. Quite a difference in loudness.
I think you probably know what your talking about, but your explanation is nonsense. All speakers vibrate the different frequencies in different parts of the speaker. So guitar speakers have lots of breakup and resonance in their freq response is all I got from you video, and that PA speakers are more linear.
I built a guitar amp.
Built the cab from the ground up.
All new cab parts and tolex.
It is one of a kind.
It has:
Two 6"x9" woofers
Four 6" woofers
Two 4" woofers
16 various sized tweeters
And a 10" dual coil subwoofer.
And they are all powered by a 400w amp.
Yes, it's all car stereo equipment.
It looks and sounds AMAZING!!!
Everyone who's played through it wants me to build them one.
I'll upload a video of it if you'd like to check it out. 😎👍
Well what speakers were they?
Would love to see it
Both Leo Fender and Jim Marshal used the cheapest least expensive components of the day that they could find to build their amplifiers and cabinets. The fact that they created some of the greatest guitar tones ever happened by mere chance!
That's awesome.
I have found paper cones are the best choice for guitar. Doping makes a considerable difference in tone, it also effects longevity. Old Hi fi speakers are usually a pretty good choice for guitar because they are designed for a wide frequency range at faily moderate voltage, and being as most are 2 way will likely be 16 or 8 ohm. I picked up a Hiwat 2x15, well it was a modified 4x12, that has 2 italian 15" hi fi speakers. My god it sounds incredible. I also utilize celestion gt12-70s gt12-30&35s, and sheffield 1200s in the same basic cabinets with my guitar rig. There is definitely a difference in tonal characteristics between the speakers, mostly in the the wattage handling. The 30 & 35s break up sooner and are much brighter but they lack low end where as the 70s and sheffield 70s have better low end and are smoother from low to extremly high volume. Bass speakers are another animal and I will save my experience here for another episode if you happen to do one.
Nice man, this right here proves that you never know where good toe is going to come from and that experimentation is key.
Thrift store old electronics with speakers are a great resource like really old console units. Alnico speakers full paper surround... Experimentation is everything when living on the cheap!
this is an old video but whatever
Some years ago a guitarist friend of mine told me about this shop who had this vintage marshall 4x12 for 100€.
I rushed on the deal and went to check it out.
I was brought in their *warehouse*, to learn that the deal was 2 cabs sold together. The Marshall for 100€ and some weird unmarked oversized 1x12.
Opened up the cab held with -ffs- flathead screws to see a speaker with not 4 or 8 but *6 screws(??)*. The name "altoparlante" and something else that I can't remember. From some research I did it was supposed to be a 70's/80's sub.
after some bargaining I got the whole deal for 100€.
I ended up selling the marshall cab a year later, and I still have it to this day.
Sounds huge for a 1x12, and does low mids real nice, amazing with dedicated speakers for mids and highs, as well as a real subwoofer.
I need more highs
Well I got my wish. An infinnium british bite its definately for no bass players. Way better than the crate tv6210 which was very bassy
to answer your question the Guitar speaker responds to the frequencies of a guitar and may not have an even frequency response with a bass guitars lower tones, the main differentiating factor is the Equalizer and High pass filter on the amp itself any high end sound system/configuration of drivers worth its salt will play a guitar note as good if not better and also reproduce a bass, piano and more, the best systems available will play thunder and water very accurately, all an amp does is amplify the existing signal and the speaker should also do the same, you can listen to a raw un-amplified signal by plugging in high quality headphones or listen to the needle of a record player, the most difficult thing is correcting the acoustics of your room
Gr8 topic u chose...i used to wonder what is the difference between normal speaker and guitar cab👍👍👍👍
Thanks!
Great info I’ve been curious about for years but haven’t researched until now.
You can still blow a speaker hitting frequencies that the speaker isn't designed to handle.
I'm so glad that modern amp modeling technology started effectively utilizing impulse responses. As a mostly studio recording musician without a lot of access to the real thing, being able to accurately simulate amp electronics, cabinets, and microphone model and placements is absolutely essential. Better yet, I get to bring that diversity to my live rig by using FRFR speakers.
I agree, modeling tech has come a loooong way, just in the last 5 or 6 years. Got any links to that live rig man? I'd love to check it out.
I don't have any of my own videos of it yet, but my rig is essentially the same as Richie castellano's stagesource l2m rig in this video except I have two ran in stereo: th-cam.com/video/qNuJvdKda-M/w-d-xo.html
I also use an Ion tailgater with my laptop and the Helix Native plugin through my DAW as my light/portable rig.
Needed this video !
Thank you, my dude. Answered all my questions.
It's just something good to know!
so if i was to use an amp and speaker and cab molder, lets say a line 6, fractal audio, or even something like guitar rig, revalver, or other software via laptop or what not, and i didn't want to color the sound like a traditional guitar speaker would, would a home speaker give me a cleaner sound? so what im getting at is frfr modeling speakers. im sure head-rush and the other cab makers will disagree, but when i run through my Adam a7x speakers the sound is truer then a head-rush or other. was thinking some pa speakers or home speakers with a wider response, with a matched impedance would do the trick. i also don't want to use a set of stereo speaker on stage so was thinking of building a cab (1/2 or full stack) with said configuration. not trying to save money, just making an attempt to get a cleaner flatter and fuller response so that the modeling can do its job better. any info is helpful
Yeah man you definitely don't want a guitar speaker, you wanna find some 50-100 watt flat response speakers. Honestly you might even consider adding a crossover and tweeter to your cab if you are looking for full range response. A lot of keyboard amps use a similar configuration for the same reason.
@@ForsytheVideo hey thanks, you should do an episode on this subject, no one really talks about other then go buy one of the big box store products or get some pa speakers. or better yet, get something that's so expensive only endorsed pros have access. if people had something to reference i think there would be a stronger diy community for this. one missing aspect from all this is box design and the details that go with that. but i get it, this isn't what your Chanel is about in the first place. thanks for answering.
You subs are going up quick good job man. Keep up the good work.
Thank you man! The magic of the algorithm I suppose.
Thanks for explaining this
Great info thank you! What about a guitar speaker with aluminum cone vs paper?
I know they make bass speakers with aluminum cones but I've not seen a guitar speaker made from it. I did some reading about the old Hartke aluminum speakers and it says they chose aluminum for it's rigidity, but the side effect was a loss of high end clarity due to the mass of the aluminum. That being said, I imagine in a guitar amp they would sound very mid/low mid heavy. Probably not the best choice for guitar. Thank you for watching!
@@ForsytheVideo awesome thanks brother!
@@PROATV13rb anytime.
Aluminium would probably color the sound, and you would have unwanted peaks. Check out that glue blob thing.
I would like your opinion can I use PA speakers external cab for electric guitar? Would it work well, the tweeters and will affect the sound of the guitar
But why do guitar amps have open baffles but (with rare exception) stereo speakers do not?
I do not understand what you say at 2:34 . That's for me rocket science. A guitar speaker cone vibrates the same as a PA speaker because both are driven by only one round coil. So the cone moves in a 360 deg cirkel excact the same. The border (doping?) is excact the same too. The big difference is a PA speaker is to designed to deliver a broad even freq span. The guitar speaker is constructed in the way that you will have peaks and dips in the frequency respons. (look at the graph. data of Jensen speakers) That is due the thicknes of the coil windings, the material of the windings and the material of the cone. Thicknes and stiffnes. A HiFi speaker has an neoprane ore rubber border. It can move very much more than a PA/guitar speaker, but can not handle the attack of a guitar/PA signal. Therefor the stiffer border material. You can even change the sound by applying BisonKit on the border to make it more stiffer.
Great info, thanks!
Thank you!
I'm sorry if I'm out of the topic here.. Can an electric guitar use a bass combo speaker, vice versa? Thanks
As long as your amp can handle the ohm rating then yes, doesn't mean it will sound good as bass speakers tend to be more stiff like PA speakers and aren't normally geared toward higher frequencies.
Very good information, thx!
Thank you so much!
Finally I found an explanation 🎉
I never found the Overdrive effects on QSC 2000 watts K12.2 speakers but I hear when I wear audiotechnica Headphone from zoom g1x four processesor. Is it thebproblem
I dont like how my digital pedalboard sounds through my fender amp, I need to convert my fender to an amp more suitable for digital pedalboards. what would you recommend? is a fender ultimate chorus 2 x 12.
If you have some money throw some Celestion vintage 30's in there. They are good a taming that digital high end and are fantastic speakers.
@@ForsytheVideo Are you sure?? whenever I hear the word vintage I think I will end up getting the very same thing I am trying to escape from... the worst scenario would be not getting the right speakers, or sounding the same.. even I am not pretty sure if replacing speakers will be as good as getting a Line 6 powercab... not even sure the change will do the trick. Still, I am decided to keep that amp..
I will tell you what I see here in the market.. What do you think? :
Woofer Celestion G12 V Type 70w
Woofer Celestion 12 Vintage 30 60w ----> (is this the one you are talking about?)
Celestion G-12h 16 Ohms - 12 '
Celestion G12m Greenback 8ohm speaker 25w 12¨
Celestion G12h 70 Aniversario 30 W 12''
Celestion G-12m Creamback 65w Black Week
Celestion Classic Lead 80 12''
Celestion G12t-75 G12t 8 Ohms 75w
Celestion Seventy 80 ---> (this one I understand is quite bad and cheap.)
Also I saw in one video that G12 H are more heavy and sound too high and too low (which is not what I want, I dont want to end up deaf). Then there is that Eminence CV 75 that looks far more balanced than G12H. (I dont play much metal, I am really more into sounding clear, chorus, phaser, then some distortion but little. Really in my fender amp the acoustic simulator doesnt sound as good as when I put my GT10 in USB and record.)
I was seeing my future and gathering a fortune to buy a powercab line 6 (for digital pedalboards). Then this chance appeared and might solve my problem, not needing tons of money..
@@capsuleboy if you aren't a vintage 30 fan the Celestion G12t-75 is a really good, higher powered choice, and the Eminence is a good choice too. I have a cab with Eminence Swamp Thangs and Eminence Texas Heats in an x pattern and it is a warm(very very loud) punchy metal machine.
@@ForsytheVideo I am not really into metal, I rather want to throw chords with effects, I usually use chorus, phaser, step phaser, or things like that, but I want my fender to sound like a monitor. You know that gt10, gt100 and gt1000 (or any other digital toy) really need not to be cut in certain frecquencies, I will probably jump from the gt10 to gt1000 some day, or gt100 or another digital thing.
A few days ago I plugged my phone to check how the amp worked, I used the amp return and noticed how shut down and opaque it sounds (as if It had a blanket on it), then I plugged into the input and realised that it sounds better in the input, but still it sounds a bit aggressive and definitely not like a monitor or a stereo system.. it is aggressive and a bit colourless, it is like some frecquiencies are missing. Loud yes, but not clean.
About the Eminence, there are lots of eminence in the market but I am not sure which one to buy. CV75 not available though, still I will have to make an extensive research to make my gt10 work with my fender..
so you suggest vintage 30 or g12t 75 as the better options for a digital thing? and about eminence? could you tell me about a model that could be good for digital pedalboards?
Thanks for answering, and check my channel, there is one recording with a preset of my gt10 into the PC (USB). Not good but that kind of clean sounds are the ones I use, usually lots of delay. Little wing, Police songs, white snake is this love, pink floyd wall intros, that is the kind of things I play. My fender sounds like a jazz thing totally opaque and colourless, actually it sounds as if I had a hollowbody or semi-hollowbody guitar in my hands, not sure if the amp is meant to sound like that or if it already an old amp (and wearing off). I bought it secondhand...
Thank you man. I will research about those 2 speakers and probably if I do something I will tell you the results.
@@capsuleboy It sounds like you want something with a more flat response, so I would suggest a live sound reproduction speaker. Something like an Eminence Beta 12a would get you there. Bear in mind though a guitar amp is always going to color the sound, and usually by enhancing the midrange(rather dramatically in some cases). A powered monitor(with an adjustable tweeter) might suit you better.
What an awesome video...
Thanks for the info! I have a bugera 6260 212 combo with a Texas heat and a swamp thang that i couldn't get to sound the way I liked but now I'm hoping its because I'm not playing my amp past 1 or 2 on the lead channel and about 3 on clean. when you said your rig doesn't sound to good at low volumes I might be having the same problem. could it be because I'm not pushing my speakers to their sweet spot in the house? the reason I have these two speakers now is because I used to play through a Texas heat and man o war that were perfect for metal. I'm not sure if I should try new speakers to get the tone I want or if this is going to sound clear and not woofy at shows. I play in low tunings
they sound like they are farting now matter how I wire them
@@papaidolatrine2499 if they sound like they are farting they might be blown or worse...your amp might be. make sure they are wired to match the ohms of the amp output they are connected to, then make sure they aren't wired out of phase. They will sound awful and thin if wired out of phase. Putting those speakers in my 4x12 was the best thing I ever did for my live rig but they love power. They aren't bedroom speakers that's for sure. You may need something lower in wattage to get the sound you want at lower volumes.
You probably figured this out by now but your speakers are big iron high powered speakers that need to get hit hard to get moving.
You probably would be much better off with like a celestion 70th annv. Or else regular green backs for that amp. Another celestion that is good that gets shit on are the celestion 7080 or G12p80 and those speakers took an orange amp to new levels that sounds like poo with V30 or VOTW speakers.
7080 for low budget and 70th annv. annual. EVH black backs for high dollar. Bugera speakers aren't that bad but I'd rather use 7080 celestion speakers over Bugera.
Yea I ended up trading the amp in at guitar center because it sounded great at shows but made me feel like Marty Mcfly Everytime I wanted to jam alone haha. Ended up getting a helix lt and an alto. Not my dream rig but it met most of my needs in terms of function. I’m buying 2 2x12 cabinets tomorrow with EH VR75’s in them hoping that I’ll be able to use real cabs live again or possibly retrofit my alto into one of the cabs as a homemade frfr cab. Haven’t played a show since before covid around the last time I commented here by the way.😮
Can I connect 25W speaker to 15W amplifier?
Yep
If I wanted to plug a receiver stereo to a guitar amp, how would that sound?
midrangey with a flubby low end.
Absolutely terrible lol.
Thank you for the very informative info ,I was trying to find out if a bass guitar speaker will work in my Hughes and Kettner Matrix 100 ,1x12 combo amp ? It currently has a Celestion, but wanting to upgrade,and was offered a Altec Lansing 421 8h series 11 speaker ,but not sure if it's a bass speaker or guitar speaker, it does say bass musical instruments on the magnet,thank you !
As long as the ohms match the old speaker it should work, your tone will probably be more muddy and sterile sounding though.
So the "guitar" speaker is more efficient because of the light paper cone, paper/dope surround? I would venture to guess that because of the light constitution, I would take less power to move the same amount of air, than say a heavy butylene rubber surround and kevlar spider. With that being said the guitar speaker would be more prone to secondary ocillations and all kinds of weird flex. Do I have this correct? I was thinking of using guitar speakers for my homebrew 50 watt stereo tube amp, for their efficiency.
Absolutely correct. That's why higher wattage guitar speakers don't sound good at low volume, because they are much stiffer and it takes a lot more power to get those secondary vibrations and breakup.
I have a 15watt guitar amp, im only using the effects return as direct input. Can i replace it with a 300watt 12 inch instrumental speaker, like the ones in PAs
It has a 8inch speaker currently
@@BooRat-ep5rn can you even fit a 12" in there? You can do it but it will be very under powered, as long as you match the ohm rating to your amp it will work.
Im looking for one With a Lil mid scoop what can u suggest??
Crossfeed on speakers 0.3 millisecond delay is the solution
How does one go about doing this properly?
Beware of swapping speakers in a modelling amp (as the fender mustang etc) you do not need a guitar speaker! The modelling processor makes the specific sound of a speaker/speaker cabinet. so the fysical speaker must have a PA like respons! Many video's shows modelling amps with guitar speaker swaps. It will never sound as good as the original speaker.
Hello, i have Fernandes fa15 guitar amp, its a 15watt amp, it has an 8ohm speaker but no indication as to how many watts, im guessin 35watts, so is it okay to replace it with a 8ohm 50watt speaker?
Yeah that would be perfect actually, you'll get the full headroom out of the speaker and your amp will clip before the speaker does(meaning you won't blow the new speaker).
I REALLY want to know how feasible this is the other way around. If I have an old 1x12 or 1x15 cab, can I wire up the speaker to a stereo w/ a crossover and turn it into a stereo speaker or subwoofer?
Absolutely, but it depends on the type of speaker and the specs of the cab as to whether or not it sounds good. My advice is give it a shot! You never know what you might discover.
I’m also curious if this will work. I wonder if people have done this. The guitar speakers are not designed for low frequency response ie low bass but that’s why there are active subs. I would love to know if I could use guitar speakers for low to high midrange and then ad a a tweeter.
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Playing music on a guitar speaker oh hell no.
Playing guitar on a guitar speaker yes.
Playing guitar on a guitar speaker with tube amp, oh hell yeah!
Just like tube guitar amps sound better than solid state, same thing with vacuum tube HiFi amps especially with high efficiency HiFi speakers.
Yes man!
I use guitar specific speakers in some amps and hifi speakers in others. All 12". For lots of my recordings I prefer very clean sounds. They are not sterile or dull, just another way to hear guitar sounds. I can add effects with (IMO) better sounds allowing the effects, OD, etc to work on there own so to speak. As a young guy in the 50's and 60's, I disliked all the tube amps (no other choice early), because they sounded cheap and scrambly to me. I haven't lost that view. I want the volume producer to do just that. I.E. not to color the sound before I do that with other means. No criticism here, just another view. Thanks!
Interesting, but aren't most hifi woofers kind of lacking in what is called "sensitivity"? Relative to guitar speakers, that is? So you'd get a flatter, smoother frequency response with hifi speakers, but the downside (or maybe could be an upside) is lower volume for a given amp output. I seem to recall my hifi woofers were about 88/89 db whereas guitar speakers are typically at or above 95 db. Quite a difference in loudness.
Would playing music through a guitar speaker sound good though
Yes
No it sounds horribly distorted
And its not good for the speaker. Guitar amps don't have any bass.
SUBBED CAUSE I RIP SPEAKERS OUT OF EVERY GODFORSAKEN THING I SEE only to be CRUCIFIED TO MY PEAVEY BACKSTAGE20.
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Thank you!
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I think you probably know what your talking about, but your explanation is nonsense. All speakers vibrate the different frequencies in different parts of the speaker. So guitar speakers have lots of breakup and resonance in their freq response is all I got from you video, and that PA speakers are more linear.