While rehearsals I'm using a bass cab of course. For my tone, I take a Darkglass X Ultra. On recordings, I only use a DI signal and the Neural DSP Parallax plugin.
I usually cut DI tracks of the bass and the amp itself and use IR's later on the amp track. I never tried to use an IR of a guitar cab or blend one in, but it seems like I should give it a try.
I hear you are working on a guitar course. That's all fine and good. What the world really needs though is "Kristian Kohles German for metal producers course". "Learn to use expressions like "dängeldängel", "brutzelbrutzel" and "das muss drücken im Gesicht, sonst taugt das nichts" correctly and comprehensively"
@@edryba4867 Thankfully my apartment is ultra soundproof and sound treated since it doubles as my studio so no more cranky neighbors for me, I can have even a sunn amp in full blast through a 4x12.
MAN! THAT’S LOUD! I remember problems like that. It’s why my wife and I begged, borrowed and stole to get enough cash to put a down payment on an actual house - with a concrete-filled, steel-reinforced cinder-block wall that goes almost all the way around the property. You have to get up to RIDICULOUS LEVELS (I’m talking ear- bleed territory) for the bass to bug the neighbors with a setup like that if you’ve done it correctly. It’s kinda like living in a blockhouse at the Kennedy Space Center at Cape Canaveral!
Warren! What does your bass setup typically look like? I was DI-only for a long time but in the last 6 months - since I've moved into my small-commercial-sized space - using a bass amp has been GREAT. I answered the "what's your bass tracking rig" under Kristian's post above. It can get...complicated!
A cool experiment that all engineers should do at least once is play white noise through their rig at low volume, then put on some headphones, hold the mic, and move it around the speaker to hear what the speaker is actually doing. Its a big eye opener. Or ear opener!
I'm Actually very thankful as a aficionado home studio that you take time in actually giving tips in a mix with the bass, wich has helped me alot in my mixes.
Keyboard cabs often have similar extended range (for hopefully obvious reasons). For bass, I use a Carvin KB1015 cab (I own but don't use the amp for bass). It has 1x15 and 2x10 with separate inputs, so I can use my GED-2112 and route the deep (mostly clean) channel into the 1x15 and the distorted tone into the 10s. I can then mic the 1x15 with a ribbon and one of the 10s with a dynamic. This is great for mixing since I can compress the two differently (more comp on the low end for consistency and less on the top for some dynamics). I can also automate bass fills on just the distorted channel.
Speakers are waaaaay different. Bass speaker cones are a lot stiffer and the suspension is much stronger. Their xmax (i.e. max excursion) is way higher too. The horn is usually a compression driver, as I understand it. As far as bass reflex ports... Some are some aren't.
I'm quite a fan of using Bass Professor II, particularly when there are resonant frequencies. My favourite bass cab is actually the George Lynch Genz Benz 2x12. The 4 bass ports work wonders.
I use both in my stereo rig. I use a power cab + for high end and an old bass crate for my low end and high ( believe it or not)and clean tones. I have eq's on both paths ( personally I think they are indispensable)The guitar amp just does distortion and effects better, and that incredible mid tone i just can't get on a bass speaker. Together they cover my overall sound so well. so well I couldnt imagine playing with only one amp anymore. ☆ I play my bass and guitar threw same amps. Thanks for the tips on the mics. I have been having trouble finding a mic I like for bass
bass speakers feel "stiff". which makes for a really punchy low end that has fortitude. guitar speakers feel "soft", which makes them SO much better for distortion. my usual setup for a distorted bass is a low passed DI out of a clean-ish bass amp, mixed with an overdriven mid and high track through a bass cab and a guitar cab. low end on a dial. high end on a dial. 2 different flavors of overdrive on a dial. personally i like an SVT 8x10 and an orange 4x12.
As soon as you hit on the condenser mic I could actually tell a pretty big difference. First time I've seen such a huge tonal difference being conveyed on youtube. Excellent quality vid, definitely subscribing.
Best bass tone i ve ever had with a cab is thru my ampeg 410 he with the tweeter off and a 115e on thr bottom. The 410 have all the tone and punch due to the sealed cab and "small" speaker, so the speaker have a small group delay, and on top of that can add some very subtle low sub that the vented 15 don t produce at all. But the 15 add that roundness on the low that the 410 lack.
Hey Fab, I realize I'm 1yr. late, but did you bypass/eliminate x-over from the overall circuit in the 4x10? I did same as you with a GK Neo4x10, but lots of upper-mids were simply GONE, until I rewired the 10s full range. Cone grit/dist. kicks horn grit's wimp-ass all f'kin day! It's full-tilt FTW!
I had a Crate 4x12 bass cab that I used for guitar. I tried all kinds of speakers in it, I LOVED it with K100s. I used it with a Windsor head boosted up front with a Seymour Duncan Twin Tube Classic, set totally clean but with the output volume pegged, which pushes the front end of the amp like 4 times as much as any 9 volt box. I'd set everything on the amp at about halfway and flip the pedal on and get tight high gain that still sounded kinda vintagey, and that bass 4x12 with the K100s in it kicked serious ass. I think it was just sealed and not ported. The inside was very well insulated, and it was definitely heavier than a guitar cab. It was also smaller in height and width than the Mesa oversize (guitar) cab my bass player had. It was actually good. If I found another 4x12 or 2x12 bass cab, unloaded or otherwise, for cheap, I'd grab it up. It's something about how they make the baffle and how they insulate the inside that makes it unique for guitar tone. Seriously, try putting Vintage 30s in a non-ported bass cab and A/B it with the same Vintage 30s in whatever cab they were in before. It's a cool sound.
Here's a question nobody seems to be able to answer: Why are there so few 12'' speakers for bass??? Seems like the industry standard is only focused on 10'' and 15'' speakers.
Hey brotha. I think that might just be in your head because I actually had a harder time trying to think of companies that don’t offer 12’s in some way lol. The ones that do for example: Warwick Aguilar Mesa Boogie SWR Gallien Krueger Ampeg Ashdown Genzler(Genz Benz) Markbass Barefaced EA Epifani TC Electronic Trace Elliot Bag-End Darkglass Electronics Peavey Hartke
Gallien Krueger has had 2x12 bass cabs for at least 10 years lol I’ve been playing their 2x12 or 4x10 neos throughout my career. Fifteen is a little too much bass for my situation in g#-a#
Funny how we started our first hardcore band (3 piece) with Marshall 800 half stack for bass and hiwatt 73 100 also half stack with a 60's cab. & once in a while when I listen to the recordings I do like it a lot! Although we had no experience on tone i still wish we still had that gear cause it makes for some good, powerful tone that think newer gear gear lacks. Good show 👏
I would love to have those IRs. I was actually thinking if I should try to make myself three. Unfortunately I don't have the best mics for that I'm afraid.
I'm quite surprised the SM7b was so light on the lows. I always thought it was a dark sounding mic, now it know it's more of a a mid sounding mic. I wonder if the RE30 from Electrovoice might make a better dynamic mic for bass instruments?
For the new Ov Moros album (due to release this week) I ran my Jackson Concert bass into a Tech 21 SansAmp Bass Driver DI for initial tone, and dry signal to it's own channel as a safety track or reamping, then split it off to A) a Sonic 4x10 w/horn cabinet driven by a Behringer BX4500H head for the clean tone, miked with a Shure KSM32 on one 10" driver and an MXL 990 on the horn; B) into a Tech 21 DP-3X (Dug Pinnick's pedal) for it's awesome distortion characteristics, then into a 4x12 bottom cabinet with EHX drivers powered by a Carvin MTS 3200 head, which was miked with another Shure KSM32 on one driver and a Sennheiser E609 on another. The tones I ended up with are glorious. Gut-punch and grind. Great video, Kohle! If that Hiwatt BBQ ever needs a new home, hit me up! :D
The best kick ass metal guitar sound i ever had was plugin a high gain metal preamp into a ampeg bass amp and thru a 8x10 ampeg fridge. With that setup i can tel you palm mutes literally spank you. After trying several combination i can tell the secret sauce here is the 8x10 bass cab. The preamp could be as simple as a MT2 (yes boys it's a peamp not an effect) and the ampeg amp was neither fancy (i think it was a B2). I tried plugin guitar tube head directly into that cab (i think there was a TSL and a Blackstar), the result was good but not great. My guess is you need the low pass filter that is present at the end of most metal preamp to roll off the undesirable highs, that's normally what your guitar speaker do. I haven't try with other type of bass cab but damn that one was cool. Really worth trying
Great content again, man! Just to spout off: 99% of the bass cabs with tweeter don't use a real crossover, the woofers usually always run fullrange. Technically it's just a high pass for the tweeter. the average 10" woofer goes up to about 5 - 7 kHz and that's where the tweeter comes in (usually at about 3 - 4 kHz). If you play distorted sounds through a tweeter it usually sounds like crap (as already mentioned). But even without tweeter there are some speakers that have a frequency response that's too linear for distortion. The glockenklang duo/quattro cabs for example - best bass cabs for punchy clean sounds I know - dont't really sound nice with overdrive/distortion, even with the tweeter turned off. For a good rock'n'roll bass sound I prefer closed cabs like the classic ampeg design. These cabs have a nice compression and cutoff in the low end, so your overall sound doesn't get too boomy and fluffy, as long as you have good speakers in it. That's where most ampeg cabs suck. I really prefer the celestion 10" speakers I have in my trace elliot 8x10" cab over eminence speakers, usually used by ampeg. There are also IRs available for download directly from the celestion site, I can really recommend. For most of my bass tones in my helix I use the celestion 10" closed cab IRs instead of the built in cab sims. Comes pretty close to the real thing for me. For overdriven/distorted bass tones I really like seperate signal paths: one clean fullrange (with bass cab sim/IR) and a distorted one with a high pass filter in front of the overdrive and either a guitar cab sim/IR or a low pass filter behind it to cut off that harsh sounding distorted high end. So you can easily dial in as much grind and 'dangle' as you like without losing your low end definition and attack. And with the filters you can emphasize exactly the mid frequencies to make it cut through in the mix.
I’m playing my PRS MT-15 through my darkglass dg112n cabinet and it sounds good. I have nothing to compare it to, but it’s actually decent. I will buy a speaker cabinet for the MT15, but for now that’s what I had already bc I only played bass for some years.
Please Kristian "IR Master" Kohle! I would love to get those IRs but one already with the three mics blended. Would be that possible? Danke! Grüße aus Dresden!
I made a 2x12 open back cabinet with ciare 12inch sub audio speakers for filthy heavy fuzz tones and combine it with a laney ironhearts heavy gain and it is awesome
On a good distortion / overdrive pedal you should be able to adjust the high enough to eq out the "DI with no cabinet" effect. I use a Two notes cab M+ (one of the stock cabinets) together with the Aftershock from source Audio and have never had any problems with harsh highs.
But would you run guitar through the bass cab? I am thinking about an ampeg 2x10 for my tiny terror and run bass and guitar through it, with a DI as well. Or an Ampeg 1x12 and use tiny terror for both, with DI.
Never considered using guitar IRs for bass, but might try rolling off the highs of a bass IR and the lows of a guitar IR rather than splitting the track into two and then controlling the low end by adjusting the level of the bass cab
Very informative. I kind of do this inside my Helix. I do the split and grit method. Split crossover around 300hz. Low end being fucking squashed then mixing back into the amp and cab. The high end runs through the b7k model before heading to the head and cab. Thinking about keeping the signals separate now though. I'll definitely try it with the highs going through a guitar cab and the lows through my ampeg 8x10 IR.
The best bass tone I got in a rehearsal was when I used a Warwick 410 and a random (I think it was a cheapo Laney) 412 guitar cab. The lows were clear and solid I put the guitar cab on ear-level to make sure I would get the cutting mids. The drummer was surprised on how good the bass sounded (yeah , the drummer , imagine that) and the poor guitar player kept feedling with knobs in order to make his tone dominate the mix as in previous rehearsals. The extra guitar cab mysteriously vanished the next day XD Anyway, waiting for those bass videos and soul sold in 3 , 2 , 1 ....
Great video man! Having the right bass tone is really important, especially for heavy music imho. I always split my bass signal when recording, one way to a DI box straight into DAW for the "clean" part of the tone, and the second way goes into a higain transistor guitar amp and to a guitar cabinet miced with a kick drum mic. Then I put a low pass filter on the distorted track and the result is very interesting. Keep 'em coming!
I believe Robert DeLeo of STP used a pre amp pedal + power amp into a bass cab and a Marshall head into a guitar amp for his tone. Also Royal Blood does some similar splitting of the signal (I think he uses an octave pedal as well) to get that wall of tone from just a bass.
I don't know the answer but I do know that my Orange GRO50 played through my Acoustic 2-15 bass cabinet sounds pretty FN good. It covers a bar gig with no mic.
I run my guitar through an old Carvin 8x10 bass cab, and it gives me crushing tone when I'm playing by myself...too much from a production standpoint, though, because the guitar really needs those mids to cut through and be heard.
Bass cab IRs??....from Kristian "Dark Lord of Dangle" Kohle???....yes, PLEASE!! Already sold my soul to you, sir...I've proof of purchase if needed.😋 Thanks for another great, informative vid!!
My favourite grit sound for bass is a dual rec pushed cleaned into a v30. I have an old hartke combo I like because of the aluminum cone, and I found the best way to get low end was to mic it's rear port.
@@KohleAudioKult Very percussive and bright, it was almost "clank" before everyone was chasing it. The full aluminum cone was the biggest part of the Dave Ellefson/Megadeth tone. It doesn't produce a lot of low end, which is probably why I found the port to be the best option for micing for it instead of on the speaker directly.
Sick vid Kristian! I always experimented with using guitar cabs and bass cabs but eventually I just used plugins after DI into my interface due to my living situation. Please release those bass IRs, especially with one already blending the 3! Also, would you ever do a video on the use of single coil pickups in metal? I have been maining a Jazzmaster for the past 2 or 3 years and havent seen too many great videos on the subject. Especially pertaining to something like a non standard single coil style pick up. Anywho, keep these videos coming! They are one of the few enjoyable things about being stuck at home D:
That’s awesome! Thanks so much!… i wonder if the first sm7b on the bass speaker becomes a bit redundant though, maybe all u need is the ksm32 for low-end, mic on the horn for high end, and the sm7b on a guitar cab for mids ?
Great stuff, I'd be interested in the IR's never hurts to have more, all I've got for bass IR's at the moment are the ones that I got as a bonus when I preordered Bassforge Hellraiser.
Finally someone cares about us Bass-Players. Such an informt Video like this was long overdue on the Internet. Everyone talking 'bout how to record Guitars and Drums but rarely someone talks about how to record Bass. It's always "Use a D.I. and Plug-In", which, in in my opinion, is another reason why modern Metal sounds so generic.
BUT ONLY IF THE BASS PLAYER IS A TRUE KNUCKLE-DRAGGIN’ NEANDERTHAL! THAT’S THE BEST KIND!!!!!!!. You know - THE KIND OF GUY THEY MADE THE EXTRA-LONG-NECKED BASSES FOR!!!!!!!!!
True but I hardly see any videos compare the two in the same video with a distorted guitar metal tone. Anyway it's just a suggestion, but this video is great and very helping thank you!
Regarding guitar cabs, I know you think that the Mesa oversized v30/57 thing is beaten to death. But I'd absolutely be interested in buying YOUR captured IR's of the ones that you actually use. Even though every company has em, they sound drastically different from each other. Please consider doing an Mesa Oversized v30 IR pack. Even blending this sound with the other cabs/speakers that you've captured would be interesting IMO.
Thanks! My next IR will include some Mesa V30 IRs for sure! In the meantime, check out my Eminence pack. Just as good but with speakers that nobody has used for any of the metal packs so far
@@KohleAudioKult I absolutely will! I know there's one named Perfect Blend in there, but do you have a particular favorite or preferred blend from your Eminence pack?
I'm SURE you had a video (or series) on your channel explaining different kinds of amps... Orange, Diezels, Rectifiers, etc, with great sound. But I cannot find the video! Where did it go? EDIT: Found it! It was on Produce Like a Pro.
Nice video, what do you think about running the bass through a guitar amp + guitar cab for overdriven sounds and mix the result with the sound from the bass amp + cab?
Before watching further than introduction, I want to make a statement of what I've understood regarding cabinets (or the speakers really). To start off, I knew some bass cabs had 15" speakers which made perfect sense to me - it's bigger than 12", must have more bass. Now why were many famous bass cabinets loaded with 10" speakers when it's smaller than the standard 12" guitar speaker? Even more puzzling was that Fender used 10" speakers in some of their classic combos. How could that be fitting for bass? At some point I read that it is in fact so that the 15" speakers commonly get good sub bass frequencies, but that the 10" speakers would also have less mids, essentially more scooped sound. More highs and bass in relation, that is. And if that's true, that's where it clicked for me when I've also heard that those Fender combos were very overfocused on bass. It was described as loose, farty, you name it. That people commonly modify them by changing to less bassy speakers.1+1 = 2. And even more so when you know that Fender guitars are relatively bright and don't sport that much low end. It does make sense from design standing point. Now the question is, is the difference because of the speaker design choices or because the 10" and 15" speakers are naturally more emphasized like that. I don't know. If by design, why choose 10" for bass and 12" for guitar? Were 4x cabinets first for bass use and they wanted to make it lighter for touring? And in all fairness I should also question if the things I've heard are actually true and accurate. But I believe, whatever the case is in how the speakers differ, that the major difference between the cabinets is from the speaker choice and the rest of tonal sculpting, the signature touch to it, is the rest of the cabinet. With this pre-setting I'm gonna watch the video and be ready to see that all I thought I knew was wrong, or that I've indeed gathered useful commonly shared wisdom. Edit: after watching the video, I totally forgot to account for open back - closed back difference, that doesn't seem to be as out there these days, closed backs everywhere. And the reflex tubes or whatever they're called for bass cabinets. Points taken. The video also explained why I like bass through marshall stack. I've always hated the top end of bright guitar tones, same for the bass noises. And I wasn't a big fan of really low and boomy, dark bass tones either. But I have to acknowledge that it brings good information to the full mix, just that you want to have some kind of mix option for the clang. Multiple mics is a great way to have control over the "features". And different tones for different music always of course. Good video.
Thanks man! I’ll just add that 19“ speakers are so popular because they are a good compromise. They react fast and by adding four of them you have enough mass to move a lot of air.
Wiedermal ein sehr sehr geiles Video!!!! Danke dafür! 🤘🏻 Jetzt hast mich aber neugierig gemacht: Hast schonmal nen Gitarrenlautsprecher mit relativ presente mitten und höhen in nen bassgehäuse verbaut und mit ner gitarre gespielt? Um zb nen v30 mehr tiefen zu verleihen? Und wie könnte sich der klang eines basses verhalten, wenn man den auf nen "scooped" gitarrenlautsprecher mit viel tiefen (*nen k100 oder sowas) bespielt, den aber in nem kabinett verbaut der für etwas mehr höhen sorgd? Könnte interessant werden, meinst nicht?
What if you have a ported guitar cab and use it with a bass guitar? My Port City Os Wave cab puts out some extended bass. Have you ever tried comparing one to a 4x12?
For live situations, is it logical to use eq pedal connected to fx loop to tame some higher end? Tech21 does great bass pedals, especially preamps. Both BDDI and VT Bass are amazing. And I am not sure, do VT Bass has internal speaker sim? And did you left it on (if so, intentionally?)
Yeah yeah yeah!! Bass ir's would be great, there is not a lot of them online anywhere.. I yeah I would try to blend different ir's like that using Libra plugins that would be freaking great.
I was jamming through my 5150 and 4/12 cab with my bass but I don’t crank it up mad loud like I would with my guitars. Do you think it’s okay to play at quiet volumes ?
Cool and inspirering! Since I don't have a bass amp or cab I think I am gonna try to run the bass trough a sansamp (behringer bdi21 clone thing) -> guitar amp (clean or light drive channel) -> guitar cabinet -> sm57s (maybe fredman tech for more control?) for distorted bass sound and then run a clean DI along with it. Personally I aim for Behemoth The Satanist album style bass tones, so who knows, maybe this will get me closer than what I got previously?
@@KohleAudioKult thanks, so would you combine more than two signals in that case? DI driven and distorted? And would you then use pass filters to aim them specifically for a frequency range or just combine them and eq on the bus?
Question... I have a 1x15 Bass Combo that has a 8 ohm ext. Cab option. I play my guitar and bass through this combo. If I were to hook up an extension 2x12 (with guitar speakers) cab for when I play guitar - all should be fine. BUT If I play bass in this configuration... will the bass eventually kill the 2x12 if I play at jam volumes for a period of time... or will the bass combo 1x15 take most of the load and the 2x12 guitar speakers will just be "extra" definition and not be pushed to death?
I would have expected that there is less base compared to a base amp when you play a bass - but what if you use a guitar with a guitar amp on a bass cabinet. mos def pretty good i guess !
Hi Kristian, quick question about the SM7B: a while back I saw you mic'ing a bass cab with them, and I think the mid boost was engaged. Did you do that for this video as well? Thanks a lot for all those videos - keep 'em coming!
Here we go! Another truly inspiring video! Random question time: does anyone know the best way of positioning the computer screens the way Kristian has?
Really interested to have bass IR ! Great vidéo AGAIN !
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Thanks for your videos Kristian ! I would love to listen to you discuss about studio monitors (including the need for (or not) a subwoofer ?). Would be cool to hear your views on that topic.
I've worked with bassists that had all the usual cabs from Mesa, Ampeg, Trace Elliot and Warwick. My favourite live cab is the Acoustic BN410, but it doesn't really fit all genres of metal
@@KohleAudioKult It's ported with one of their custom baffles and it shifts a lot of air. 800W and tight sounding. www.guitarcenter.com/Acoustic/BN410-800W-4x10-Bass-Speaker-Cabinet.gc I don't recall the original 1970s version (I think it was a 126) , but we would use one at a local venue and it just had the right sound for throaty, distorted crusty punk and metal bass.
What are you guys using for your bass tones? Guitar or Bass cabinets?
While rehearsals I'm using a bass cab of course. For my tone, I take a Darkglass X Ultra. On recordings, I only use a DI signal and the Neural DSP Parallax plugin.
I really like the Aurosa DSP Mammoth and the Neural DSP Darkglass! I used to blend the D.I with a guitar amp.
I use the neural DSP darkglass plugin. I'm a guitar player, so my bass tone knowledge is pretty limited. This video was cool!
I usually cut DI tracks of the bass and the amp itself and use IR's later on the amp track. I never tried to use an IR of a guitar cab or blend one in, but it seems like I should give it a try.
I use an Ampeg 8x10, 2 Peavey and a Ranger 2x15 with different speakers.. The 15s have some *great* mids.
I hear you are working on a guitar course. That's all fine and good. What the world really needs though is "Kristian Kohles German for metal producers course".
"Learn to use expressions like "dängeldängel", "brutzelbrutzel" and "das muss drücken im Gesicht, sonst taugt das nichts" correctly and comprehensively"
Haha!
Guitar cab: Eviction notice
Bass cab: Neighbors throw bricks through the window
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ONLY IF YOU’RE DOING IT RIGHT!!!
@@edryba4867 Thankfully my apartment is ultra soundproof and sound treated since it doubles as my studio so no more cranky neighbors for me, I can have even a sunn amp in full blast through a 4x12.
MAN! THAT’S LOUD! I remember problems like that. It’s why my wife and I begged, borrowed and stole to get enough cash to put a down payment on an actual house - with a concrete-filled, steel-reinforced cinder-block wall that goes almost all the way around the property. You have to get up to RIDICULOUS LEVELS (I’m talking ear- bleed territory) for the bass to bug the neighbors with a setup like that if you’ve done it correctly. It’s kinda like living in a blockhouse at the Kennedy Space Center at Cape Canaveral!
Great video Kristian! You Rock my friend!
Warren! What does your bass setup typically look like?
I was DI-only for a long time but in the last 6 months - since I've moved into my small-commercial-sized space - using a bass amp has been GREAT. I answered the "what's your bass tracking rig" under Kristian's post above. It can get...complicated!
@@DontWorryImAPilot You seem like a great guy too.
Dude, please do the IR's! I really need some good bass IR's in my life.
I thought it was not special enough or maybe too close to the Bugera tone. don't you think?
Don't wanna annoy people with too many products.
@@KohleAudioKult It's not annoying at all, your products are all fantastic
A cool experiment that all engineers should do at least once is play white noise through their rig at low volume, then put on some headphones, hold the mic, and move it around the speaker to hear what the speaker is actually doing. Its a big eye opener. Or ear opener!
That VT pedal is great. I have one. It works pretty well on its own, even without an amp sometimes. Oh yah, more IR's are always welcome!
Tweeters in bass cabs: "if you do too much, it sounds like Korn" lmao
Or maybe more like: "If you do too much, it smells like fried tweeters"?
I'm Actually very thankful as a aficionado home studio that you take time in actually giving tips in a mix with the bass, wich has helped me alot in my mixes.
I'm just gonna say that I'll be waiting for those IRs
I would have liked to heard the two cabs blended
Keyboard cabs often have similar extended range (for hopefully obvious reasons). For bass, I use a Carvin KB1015 cab (I own but don't use the amp for bass). It has 1x15 and 2x10 with separate inputs, so I can use my GED-2112 and route the deep (mostly clean) channel into the 1x15 and the distorted tone into the 10s. I can then mic the 1x15 with a ribbon and one of the 10s with a dynamic. This is great for mixing since I can compress the two differently (more comp on the low end for consistency and less on the top for some dynamics). I can also automate bass fills on just the distorted channel.
That sounds like a smart setup!
11:30 sounds great. Can't believe this dude plays bass so well too.
Speakers are waaaaay different. Bass speaker cones are a lot stiffer and the suspension is much stronger. Their xmax (i.e. max excursion) is way higher too. The horn is usually a compression driver, as I understand it. As far as bass reflex ports... Some are some aren't.
I'm quite a fan of using Bass Professor II, particularly when there are resonant frequencies. My favourite bass cab is actually the George Lynch Genz Benz 2x12. The 4 bass ports work wonders.
I use both in my stereo rig. I use a power cab + for high end and an old bass crate for my low end and high ( believe it or not)and clean tones. I have eq's on both paths ( personally I think they are indispensable)The guitar amp just does distortion and effects better, and that incredible mid tone i just can't get on a bass speaker. Together they cover my overall sound so well. so well I couldnt imagine playing with only one amp anymore. ☆ I play my bass and guitar threw same amps.
Thanks for the tips on the mics. I have been having trouble finding a mic I like for bass
Sounds like an amazing rig! Thanks!
bass speakers feel "stiff". which makes for a really punchy low end that has fortitude. guitar speakers feel "soft", which makes them SO much better for distortion.
my usual setup for a distorted bass is a low passed DI out of a clean-ish bass amp, mixed with an overdriven mid and high track through a bass cab and a guitar cab. low end on a dial. high end on a dial. 2 different flavors of overdrive on a dial. personally i like an SVT 8x10 and an orange 4x12.
Because the guitar speaker is being used at the limit of its excursion.
As soon as you hit on the condenser mic I could actually tell a pretty big difference. First time I've seen such a huge tonal difference being conveyed on youtube. Excellent quality vid, definitely subscribing.
Please do the IR pack. I'm tracking bass for a dream pop group with a friend, and hardcore solo stuff. I could use a huge variety of IRs
I absolutely love your videos, not only do they help me to learn new things, they also always lift my mood
Best bass tone i ve ever had with a cab is thru my ampeg 410 he with the tweeter off and a 115e on thr bottom. The 410 have all the tone and punch due to the sealed cab and "small" speaker, so the speaker have a small group delay, and on top of that can add some very subtle low sub that the vented 15 don t produce at all. But the 15 add that roundness on the low that the 410 lack.
Hey Fab, I realize I'm 1yr. late, but did you bypass/eliminate x-over from the overall circuit in the 4x10? I did same as you with a GK Neo4x10, but lots of upper-mids were simply GONE, until I rewired the 10s full range. Cone grit/dist. kicks horn grit's wimp-ass all f'kin day! It's full-tilt FTW!
I had a Crate 4x12 bass cab that I used for guitar. I tried all kinds of speakers in it, I LOVED it with K100s. I used it with a Windsor head boosted up front with a Seymour Duncan Twin Tube Classic, set totally clean but with the output volume pegged, which pushes the front end of the amp like 4 times as much as any 9 volt box. I'd set everything on the amp at about halfway and flip the pedal on and get tight high gain that still sounded kinda vintagey, and that bass 4x12 with the K100s in it kicked serious ass. I think it was just sealed and not ported. The inside was very well insulated, and it was definitely heavier than a guitar cab. It was also smaller in height and width than the Mesa oversize (guitar) cab my bass player had. It was actually good. If I found another 4x12 or 2x12 bass cab, unloaded or otherwise, for cheap, I'd grab it up. It's something about how they make the baffle and how they insulate the inside that makes it unique for guitar tone. Seriously, try putting Vintage 30s in a non-ported bass cab and A/B it with the same Vintage 30s in whatever cab they were in before. It's a cool sound.
Here's a question nobody seems to be able to answer: Why are there so few 12'' speakers for bass??? Seems like the industry standard is only focused on 10'' and 15'' speakers.
Hey brotha. I think that might just be in your head because I actually had a harder time trying to think of companies that don’t offer 12’s in some way lol. The ones that do for example:
Warwick
Aguilar
Mesa Boogie
SWR
Gallien Krueger
Ampeg
Ashdown
Genzler(Genz Benz)
Markbass
Barefaced
EA
Epifani
TC Electronic
Trace Elliot
Bag-End
Darkglass Electronics
Peavey
Hartke
@@DougieD_Funk yeah 1x12 are common but i never saw 2x12 or 4x12 for bass
@@olorb2618 The only 2x12 bass cabs I know of are the MarkBass New Yorks
Gallien Krueger has had 2x12 bass cabs for at least 10 years lol I’ve been playing their 2x12 or 4x10 neos throughout my career. Fifteen is a little too much bass for my situation in g#-a#
@@olorb2618 Old Trace Elliot had a 4x12 bass cab, v-type series.
You can also use microphone on bass reflex hole of cab. Same like on kick drum. To gather low end punch.
Funny how we started our first hardcore band (3 piece) with Marshall 800 half stack for bass and hiwatt 73 100 also half stack with a 60's cab. & once in a while when I listen to the recordings I do like it a lot! Although we had no experience on tone i still wish we still had that gear cause it makes for some good, powerful tone that think newer gear gear lacks. Good show 👏
I can watch these type of comparison videos all day. Just experimenting with heads and cabs. It’s fun.
Thanks! There will be a lot more for sure!
What are your thoughts on running a high gain guitar head through a bass cab for a metal guitar tone, something like an Ampeg SVT-410HE cab?
Yes please give us these IR's!
One of the most informative yet. I'd love those IRs, if they turn out.
Thank you, as always, for all you do!
I would love to have those IRs. I was actually thinking if I should try to make myself three. Unfortunately I don't have the best mics for that I'm afraid.
I'm quite surprised the SM7b was so light on the lows. I always thought it was a dark sounding mic, now it know it's more of a a mid sounding mic.
I wonder if the RE30 from Electrovoice might make a better dynamic mic for bass instruments?
For the new Ov Moros album (due to release this week) I ran my Jackson Concert bass into a Tech 21 SansAmp Bass Driver DI for initial tone, and dry signal to it's own channel as a safety track or reamping, then split it off to A) a Sonic 4x10 w/horn cabinet driven by a Behringer BX4500H head for the clean tone, miked with a Shure KSM32 on one 10" driver and an MXL 990 on the horn; B) into a Tech 21 DP-3X (Dug Pinnick's pedal) for it's awesome distortion characteristics, then into a 4x12 bottom cabinet with EHX drivers powered by a Carvin MTS 3200 head, which was miked with another Shure KSM32 on one driver and a Sennheiser E609 on another. The tones I ended up with are glorious. Gut-punch and grind. Great video, Kohle! If that Hiwatt BBQ ever needs a new home, hit me up! :D
Sounds like we're in the same boat. Great rig!
@@KohleAudioKult Pretty much! Thanks!
The best kick ass metal guitar sound i ever had was plugin a high gain metal preamp into a ampeg bass amp and thru a 8x10 ampeg fridge. With that setup i can tel you palm mutes literally spank you.
After trying several combination i can tell the secret sauce here is the 8x10 bass cab. The preamp could be as simple as a MT2 (yes boys it's a peamp not an effect) and the ampeg amp was neither fancy (i think it was a B2).
I tried plugin guitar tube head directly into that cab (i think there was a TSL and a Blackstar), the result was good but not great. My guess is you need the low pass filter that is present at the end of most metal preamp to roll off the undesirable highs, that's normally what your guitar speaker do.
I haven't try with other type of bass cab but damn that one was cool.
Really worth trying
Great content again, man!
Just to spout off: 99% of the bass cabs with tweeter don't use a real crossover, the woofers usually always run fullrange. Technically it's just a high pass for the tweeter.
the average 10" woofer goes up to about 5 - 7 kHz and that's where the tweeter comes in (usually at about 3 - 4 kHz).
If you play distorted sounds through a tweeter it usually sounds like crap (as already mentioned). But even without tweeter there are some speakers that have a frequency response that's too linear for distortion. The glockenklang duo/quattro cabs for example - best bass cabs for punchy clean sounds I know - dont't really sound nice with overdrive/distortion, even with the tweeter turned off.
For a good rock'n'roll bass sound I prefer closed cabs like the classic ampeg design. These cabs have a nice compression and cutoff in the low end, so your overall sound doesn't get too boomy and fluffy, as long as you have good speakers in it. That's where most ampeg cabs suck. I really prefer the celestion 10" speakers I have in my trace elliot 8x10" cab over eminence speakers, usually used by ampeg.
There are also IRs available for download directly from the celestion site, I can really recommend. For most of my bass tones in my helix I use the celestion 10" closed cab IRs instead of the built in cab sims. Comes pretty close to the real thing for me.
For overdriven/distorted bass tones I really like seperate signal paths: one clean fullrange (with bass cab sim/IR) and a distorted one with a high pass filter in front of the overdrive and either a guitar cab sim/IR or a low pass filter behind it to cut off that harsh sounding distorted high end. So you can easily dial in as much grind and 'dangle' as you like without losing your low end definition and attack. And with the filters you can emphasize exactly the mid frequencies to make it cut through in the mix.
Correct!
A lowpass filter is not needed because those speakers can’t reproduce real highs anyway.
I’m playing my PRS MT-15 through my darkglass dg112n cabinet and it sounds good. I have nothing to compare it to, but it’s actually decent. I will buy a speaker cabinet for the MT15, but for now that’s what I had already bc I only played bass for some years.
Love these videos! Thanks
Please Kristian "IR Master" Kohle! I would love to get those IRs but one already with the three mics blended. Would be that possible? Danke! Grüße aus Dresden!
Aber das macht ja nur halb so viel Spaß!
But yeah, I could also add a blended version. It's just very dependend on your amps settings
Cool that you used the Hiwatt for some nice Bass Tones! Love to get my Handy on these IRs, as well! :-) Great Video!
I made a 2x12 open back cabinet with ciare 12inch sub audio speakers for filthy heavy fuzz tones and combine it with a laney ironhearts heavy gain and it is awesome
On a good distortion / overdrive pedal you should be able to adjust the high enough to eq out the "DI with no cabinet" effect. I use a Two notes cab M+ (one of the stock cabinets) together with the Aftershock from source Audio and have never had any problems with harsh highs.
But would you run guitar through the bass cab? I am thinking about an ampeg 2x10 for my tiny terror and run bass and guitar through it, with a DI as well. Or an Ampeg 1x12 and use tiny terror for both, with DI.
Never considered using guitar IRs for bass, but might try rolling off the highs of a bass IR and the lows of a guitar IR rather than splitting the track into two and then controlling the low end by adjusting the level of the bass cab
Waiting for the IRs, great video as always man.
I am definitely interested in some bass IRs!!! I liked the tones beginning @15:29 the best.
Very informative. I kind of do this inside my Helix. I do the split and grit method. Split crossover around 300hz. Low end being fucking squashed then mixing back into the amp and cab. The high end runs through the b7k model before heading to the head and cab. Thinking about keeping the signals separate now though. I'll definitely try it with the highs going through a guitar cab and the lows through my ampeg 8x10 IR.
The best bass tone I got in a rehearsal was when I used a Warwick 410 and a random (I think it was a cheapo Laney) 412 guitar cab. The lows were clear and solid I put the guitar cab on ear-level to make sure I would get the cutting mids. The drummer was surprised on how good the bass sounded (yeah , the drummer , imagine that) and the poor guitar player kept feedling with knobs in order to make his tone dominate the mix as in previous rehearsals. The extra guitar cab mysteriously vanished the next day XD
Anyway, waiting for those bass videos and soul sold in 3 , 2 , 1 ....
Haha! Great story.
FEEDLING????? Was the guit player making people EAT the knobs or what?
Great video man! Having the right bass tone is really important, especially for heavy music imho. I always split my bass signal when recording, one way to a DI box straight into DAW for the "clean" part of the tone, and the second way goes into a higain transistor guitar amp and to a guitar cabinet miced with a kick drum mic. Then I put a low pass filter on the distorted track and the result is very interesting.
Keep 'em coming!
Thanks man! Sounds like a great rig.
I believe Robert DeLeo of STP used a pre amp pedal + power amp into a bass cab and a Marshall head into a guitar amp for his tone. Also Royal Blood does some similar splitting of the signal (I think he uses an octave pedal as well) to get that wall of tone from just a bass.
I don't know the answer but I do know that my Orange GRO50 played through my Acoustic 2-15 bass cabinet sounds pretty FN good. It covers a bar gig with no mic.
Great video, I'm really looking forward to those IRs. =)
I run my guitar through an old Carvin 8x10 bass cab, and it gives me crushing tone when I'm playing by myself...too much from a production standpoint, though, because the guitar really needs those mids to cut through and be heard.
I have a fender rumble with a tweeter and mics of the same ilk, I might go looking for the Klank!
Another great video, Kohle!
Dope as usual brother. Of course we want the ir's. Great content🍺🤘
This is awesome dude ... keep it coming !
So much good information here. We are definitely interested in any IR you would release.
Love the channel!!! Well thought out and executed!!!! 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
I'm a Jazz , funk, blues guy but this was good ... subbed
Welcome! I hope you’ll get used to the noise, haha! 🍺❤️
Great video featuring a lot of good information and examples. Thanks, Kristian.
Thanks. This was interesting, and I think made more sense as I watched the interview with the Jenson rep first.
Ever used tech21 di 2112 pedal?
Bass cab IRs??....from Kristian "Dark Lord of Dangle" Kohle???....yes, PLEASE!! Already sold my soul to you, sir...I've proof of purchase if needed.😋 Thanks for another great, informative vid!!
of course we are interested in bass IRs. It's never enough)
Interested and already sold my soul, great content as always ;)
I'm going to combine the Orange super crush 100w with my 4x12 bass cab I'm wondering now.
The video and the info is amazing, Thanks.
Great video! Now can you take a look at the Mesa Boogie Triple Crown and teach us how to dial in tone with it??
My favourite grit sound for bass is a dual rec pushed cleaned into a v30. I have an old hartke combo I like because of the aluminum cone, and I found the best way to get low end was to mic it's rear port.
How do the aluminum cones sound like?
@@KohleAudioKult Very percussive and bright, it was almost "clank" before everyone was chasing it. The full aluminum cone was the biggest part of the Dave Ellefson/Megadeth tone. It doesn't produce a lot of low end, which is probably why I found the port to be the best option for micing for it instead of on the speaker directly.
Those IRs would be great!
Sick vid Kristian! I always experimented with using guitar cabs and bass cabs but eventually I just used plugins after DI into my interface due to my living situation. Please release those bass IRs, especially with one already blending the 3! Also, would you ever do a video on the use of single coil pickups in metal? I have been maining a Jazzmaster for the past 2 or 3 years and havent seen too many great videos on the subject. Especially pertaining to something like a non standard single coil style pick up. Anywho, keep these videos coming! They are one of the few enjoyable things about being stuck at home D:
Thanks man! Happy to make you happy!
And the single coil idea is great. Noted!
Thanks!) Very usefull :)
That’s awesome! Thanks so much!… i wonder if the first sm7b on the bass speaker becomes a bit redundant though, maybe all u need is the ksm32 for low-end, mic on the horn for high end, and the sm7b on a guitar cab for mids ?
Great stuff, I'd be interested in the IR's never hurts to have more, all I've got for bass IR's at the moment are the ones that I got as a bonus when I preordered Bassforge Hellraiser.
Finally someone cares about us Bass-Players. Such an informt Video like this was long overdue on the Internet. Everyone talking 'bout how to record Guitars and Drums but rarely someone talks about how to record Bass. It's always "Use a D.I. and Plug-In", which, in in my opinion, is another reason why modern Metal sounds so generic.
Thanks man! Always trying hard to make this world a little less generic!
BUT ONLY IF THE BASS PLAYER IS A TRUE KNUCKLE-DRAGGIN’ NEANDERTHAL! THAT’S THE BEST KIND!!!!!!!. You know - THE KIND OF GUY THEY MADE THE EXTRA-LONG-NECKED BASSES FOR!!!!!!!!!
How about a part 2 using an electric guitar on both cabs?
I might try that. But usually guitars sound too harsh through bass cabs.
True but I hardly see any videos compare the two in the same video with a distorted guitar metal tone. Anyway it's just a suggestion, but this video is great and very helping thank you!
Regarding guitar cabs, I know you think that the Mesa oversized v30/57 thing is beaten to death. But I'd absolutely be interested in buying YOUR captured IR's of the ones that you actually use.
Even though every company has em, they sound drastically different from each other. Please consider doing an Mesa Oversized v30 IR pack.
Even blending this sound with the other cabs/speakers that you've captured would be interesting IMO.
Thanks!
My next IR will include some Mesa V30 IRs for sure!
In the meantime, check out my Eminence pack. Just as good but with speakers that nobody has used for any of the metal packs so far
@@KohleAudioKult I absolutely will! I know there's one named Perfect Blend in there, but do you have a particular favorite or preferred blend from your Eminence pack?
Now i wonder about how would it sound with a guitar plugged in that TC electronics cab through that Hiwatt 200...
I'm SURE you had a video (or series) on your channel explaining different kinds of amps... Orange, Diezels, Rectifiers, etc, with great sound. But I cannot find the video! Where did it go? EDIT: Found it! It was on Produce Like a Pro.
Did those IRs ever get posted? Guess its been a while so I don't remember
Bass IR's are always welcome!! 🤘
Nice video, what do you think about running the bass through a guitar amp + guitar cab for overdriven sounds and mix the result with the sound from the bass amp + cab?
Good idea.
In this video I was going through a guitar cab:
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I don’t have a bass anymore :( so I use thick guitar tones to compensate and it’s not my favorite but it’ll do for now
Super awesome tutorial Kristian! Thank you so much!
Before watching further than introduction, I want to make a statement of what I've understood regarding cabinets (or the speakers really).
To start off, I knew some bass cabs had 15" speakers which made perfect sense to me - it's bigger than 12", must have more bass. Now why were many famous bass cabinets loaded with 10" speakers when it's smaller than the standard 12" guitar speaker? Even more puzzling was that Fender used 10" speakers in some of their classic combos. How could that be fitting for bass?
At some point I read that it is in fact so that the 15" speakers commonly get good sub bass frequencies, but that the 10" speakers would also have less mids, essentially more scooped sound. More highs and bass in relation, that is. And if that's true, that's where it clicked for me when I've also heard that those Fender combos were very overfocused on bass. It was described as loose, farty, you name it. That people commonly modify them by changing to less bassy speakers.1+1 = 2. And even more so when you know that Fender guitars are relatively bright and don't sport that much low end. It does make sense from design standing point.
Now the question is, is the difference because of the speaker design choices or because the 10" and 15" speakers are naturally more emphasized like that. I don't know. If by design, why choose 10" for bass and 12" for guitar? Were 4x cabinets first for bass use and they wanted to make it lighter for touring?
And in all fairness I should also question if the things I've heard are actually true and accurate. But I believe, whatever the case is in how the speakers differ, that the major difference between the cabinets is from the speaker choice and the rest of tonal sculpting, the signature touch to it, is the rest of the cabinet.
With this pre-setting I'm gonna watch the video and be ready to see that all I thought I knew was wrong, or that I've indeed gathered useful commonly shared wisdom.
Edit: after watching the video, I totally forgot to account for open back - closed back difference, that doesn't seem to be as out there these days, closed backs everywhere. And the reflex tubes or whatever they're called for bass cabinets. Points taken. The video also explained why I like bass through marshall stack. I've always hated the top end of bright guitar tones, same for the bass noises. And I wasn't a big fan of really low and boomy, dark bass tones either. But I have to acknowledge that it brings good information to the full mix, just that you want to have some kind of mix option for the clang. Multiple mics is a great way to have control over the "features". And different tones for different music always of course. Good video.
Thanks man!
I’ll just add that 19“ speakers are so popular because they are a good compromise.
They react fast and by adding four of them you have enough mass to move a lot of air.
Yesssss! I needed some dängle in my life
Wiedermal ein sehr sehr geiles Video!!!! Danke dafür! 🤘🏻
Jetzt hast mich aber neugierig gemacht:
Hast schonmal nen Gitarrenlautsprecher mit relativ presente mitten und höhen in nen bassgehäuse verbaut und mit ner gitarre gespielt? Um zb nen v30 mehr tiefen zu verleihen? Und wie könnte sich der klang eines basses verhalten, wenn man den auf nen "scooped" gitarrenlautsprecher mit viel tiefen (*nen k100 oder sowas) bespielt, den aber in nem kabinett verbaut der für etwas mehr höhen sorgd? Könnte interessant werden, meinst nicht?
Klingt sehr interessant! Mach ich, wenn mir mal ein 12” Basscab über den Weg läuft.
What if you have a ported guitar cab and use it with a bass guitar? My Port City Os Wave cab puts out some extended bass. Have you ever tried comparing one to a 4x12?
If I vent my Marshall cab 1960A, would I get more low end in my distorted electric guitar sound?
Great as usual :) I am interested in those bass IR's (love your Eminence Pack!). Cheers :)
Thanks man!
Great video! Sounds awesome! Any fear of blowing up/ wearing out the guitar speaker with too much low end from the bass amp?
Nope! Never had any issues. Just make sure you don't use a 500w bassamp.
Makes perfect sense! Thanks!
For live situations, is it logical to use eq pedal connected to fx loop to tame some higher end? Tech21 does great bass pedals, especially preamps. Both BDDI and VT Bass are amazing. And I am not sure, do VT Bass has internal speaker sim? And did you left it on (if so, intentionally?)
Hello. Isn't there a risk of damaging guitar speaker?
Very nice video, thank you.
You just should not overload a speaker with a too powerful amp. That's all you have to keep in mind.
Yeah yeah yeah!! Bass ir's would be great, there is not a lot of them online anywhere.. I yeah I would try to blend different ir's like that using Libra plugins that would be freaking great.
YES! An opinion from another fine Libra!
I was jamming through my 5150 and 4/12 cab with my bass but I don’t crank it up mad loud like I would with my guitars. Do you think it’s okay to play at quiet volumes ?
Cool and inspirering! Since I don't have a bass amp or cab I think I am gonna try to run the bass trough a sansamp (behringer bdi21 clone thing) -> guitar amp (clean or light drive channel) -> guitar cabinet -> sm57s (maybe fredman tech for more control?) for distorted bass sound and then run a clean DI along with it. Personally I aim for Behemoth The Satanist album style bass tones, so who knows, maybe this will get me closer than what I got previously?
you can even go highgain and mix in that track slightly. The more gain, the better the bass sound through a guitar cab.
@@KohleAudioKult thanks, so would you combine more than two signals in that case? DI driven and distorted? And would you then use pass filters to aim them specifically for a frequency range or just combine them and eq on the bus?
Question... I have a 1x15 Bass Combo that has a 8 ohm ext. Cab option. I play my guitar and bass through this combo. If I were to hook up an extension 2x12 (with guitar speakers) cab for when I play guitar - all should be fine.
BUT If I play bass in this configuration... will the bass eventually kill the 2x12 if I play at jam volumes for a period of time... or will the bass combo 1x15 take most of the load and the 2x12 guitar speakers will just be "extra" definition and not be pushed to death?
I would have expected that there is less base compared to a base amp when you play a bass - but what if you use a guitar with a guitar amp on a bass cabinet. mos def pretty good i guess !
Hi Kristian, quick question about the SM7B: a while back I saw you mic'ing a bass cab with them, and I think the mid boost was engaged. Did you do that for this video as well?
Thanks a lot for all those videos - keep 'em coming!
Yes, midboost was enganged!
@@KohleAudioKult Thanks for the reply! I definitely have to try this myself.
Here we go! Another truly inspiring video!
Random question time: does anyone know the best way of positioning the computer screens the way Kristian has?
1.) Remove the feet 2.) Get some brickstones DONE!
@@KohleAudioKult Brilliant, haha! Thank you, Sir!
Really interested to have bass IR ! Great vidéo AGAIN !
Thanks for your videos Kristian !
I would love to listen to you discuss about studio monitors (including the need for (or not) a subwoofer ?).
Would be cool to hear your views on that topic.
I’ll talk about that in the Kohle Audio Kult Academy once it’s up and running.
@@KohleAudioKult sweet ! I'll be sure not to miss it !
I've worked with bassists that had all the usual cabs from Mesa, Ampeg, Trace Elliot and Warwick.
My favourite live cab is the Acoustic BN410, but it doesn't really fit all genres of metal
What makes it special?
@@KohleAudioKult It's ported with one of their custom baffles and it shifts a lot of air. 800W and tight sounding.
www.guitarcenter.com/Acoustic/BN410-800W-4x10-Bass-Speaker-Cabinet.gc
I don't recall the original 1970s version (I think it was a 126) , but we would use one at a local venue and it just had the right sound for throaty, distorted crusty punk and metal bass.