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I spent 12 years in the US Navy (08-20), and am currently in the Navy Reserves and of all the badasses of naval history I have had to learn about in that time, I have never before heard of anything as metal as an XO writting orders in his own blood
@Bthsr71 There are a bunch of SeaBees at my reserve center. if I remember, I'll ask them about it next month. The USS Johnston rings a bell the skipper got a MoH for something.
It's already established in their series on Japanese militarism that most of the time Tokyo has no control over the army. They murdered three Prime Ministers during that time...
In case anyone was wondering how it was possible for the government to have no control over the military, it's because Japan's military branches were setup as independent entities, with the government simply providing resources to whichever branches needed them at the time. This had the unfortunate side-effect of encouraging branches who wanted more resources than they were currently being given, to intentionally start shit so that the government would be forced to give them more.
Not quite, the problem is more due to that there was no clear chain of command in which the military was clearly subordinate to the civilian government; the army answered to the General Staff (of the Army) and vice versa for the Navy; who answered to the Emperor directly (presumably via the privy council) bypassing the Ministry of Defence. Additionally as covered in a previous EH episode, the Army and Navy could bring down the government basically at will because by law, an active duty officer nominated by the respective service had to staff cabinet positions and if they weren't filled would force the Prime Minister to resign; essentially creating a veto power over the civilian government. Add in the threat of assassination and you had a recipe for a government that had less influence on the military than the zaibatsu's and business community.
It speaks volumes about how fanatical the Japanese army was that they had no problem picking a fight with the US and the USSR, two enormous industrial powers, while trying to conquer and hold down all of China simultaneously.
@@Loremastrful not really . There were a series of conflicts and border wars from 1932 to 1939 which the Soviets defeated Japan. And that was before they were in top WW2 shape. These losses proved the Soviets weren’t as weak as before and made China a better choice to invade
I seem to remember that the Soviet general who broke the back of the Japanese offensive in Mongolia was a young Georgy Zhukov, and it was the making of his career.
I'm of the opinion that the Soviet-Japanese Border Conflict would make for a good series, one-off, or two-off. A bit too recent to be eligible on Patreon most of the time, though.
@nig a That *and American gas and steel (and more, clothes and food were another vital piece of American aid). According to Kruschev, even Stalin privately admitted so. The Soviets would have been royally screwed if it wasn't for that getting them through, along with it's generals.
@nig a I'm not from the US either and agree with you 100%, just point that out lately because I have noticed a trend where people like to claim x country won the war, when it reality it was 100% a joint effort
I've heard it said that "the War was won with Soviet Blood, British Intelligence, and American Steel." I think that is a good summation of the interdependent contributions of each power.
Even sadder is the fact that thousand of innocent children were obliterated by the two atomic bombs some years after that. Criminals make crimes and the innocent pays the price.
@@Der.Geschichtenerzahler Dont forget the fire bombings of tokyo, and going to mention Japanese soldiers played catch the Chinese baby with their bsyonets
It saddens me more that those same children may have been killed by two atomic bombs. Classic US. You draw a pen line on their notebook and they burn your notebook down as retaliation.
@@kayemni Yeah they did but at the time, no one worth any salt had claimed Siberia and it was inexpensive to govern. History Matters has a video on the matter called "Why did Russia conquer Siberia."
I love that the earlier series posted on militarism in Japan provides the additional context of just *how* they got to the point where their foreign policy was so at the mercy of the most aggressive elements in their armed forces. The way the pieces fit together gives so much richer an understanding than the individual events on their own.
People, Culture, and Government. Typically they're not aligned. The people and the culture didn't want war, the government and/or military did. Common theme in history.
I don't know that I've ever heard of the USS Panay before. I'm enjoying the focus on Asia and the Japanese doings over there in this episode. It's a subject I could sure stand to learn more about. Thank you for another excellent episode! Merry Christmas out there everybody! ✝️🎄
Phil Rasmussen a pilot that managed to get airborne during the Pearl Harbor attack, did so in his government issue pj's. There's a display at the National Museum of the Air Force dedicated to him with a P-36 Hawk like he flew complete with a manniquin wearing his pajamas.
"The soviets could focus all of their attention toward invading Manchuria and Japan." Finland, baltics: "Ah, yes, everything will be completely perfectly normal. Nothing important is about to happen"
Side note: While almost everyone pronounces it as [pa-neigh], it should be [pa-nigh] because it was named for the island of Panay in the Philippines, at the time a US colony.
Just a a couple of things, The Hokushin-Ron and Nakushin-Ron (Strike North and Strike South) were both army plans the first was more popular in the nativist Kodoha of Sadao Araki, the second was more popular in the industrialist Toseiha of Hideki Tojo among otheters. The Navy was split more into respectin the treaties with the West or initiate an armamentistic race, and thus the latest supported the "Southern Strike", whose faction was leaded by the Prince Fushimi.
This was a really freaking good story. The writing of orders in blood, firing machine guns in your underwear, citizens giving money to Nanking victims. It just has everything.
I think you need to make a series about the Japanese on the ground - to supplement the political theater. To shine light on the atrocities committed in Korea, china etc.
The 85th anniversary of the Nanking massacre is coming up on Dec 13 this year, and it would be a good opportunity for EH to cover it. It’s an atrocity that showed how horrible the Imperial Japanese army in the city was with treating civilians, and how incompetent General Iwane Matsui was in managing and disciplining his commanders, officers and troops during the whole mess
Legendary American filmmaker Frank Capra actually did a summary of the Chinese WWII theater and atrocities Japan committed there IIRC in "The Battle of China", which became a part of his famous "Why We Fight" film series.
Have you seen the topics done by extra history? They have talked about the potato famine, the politics that started world war one, and the thirty years war with the four horsemen.
WWII is another excellent example of the problem of apparent national strength. Not unlike two deer looking at each other's antlers before one backs down, nations look at their rival's military might to determine who would win in a fight before engaging in aggression. But when democracies have small military footprints relative to their industrial capacity and national willingness to fight, it gives nations with less capacity the idea that they could grab quick territorial concessions from said democracy. When quick initial victories lead to the other side gearing up for long term retaliation, casualties and costs mount up vastly higher than anybody would have predicted. Nobody wants to spend resources on war they don't intend to wage but just like any other animals, humans generally don't pick fights with rivals whose arsenals are equal to or larger than their own. The problem is looking like a genuinely unappealing target while trying to minimize the material costs and moral hazards involved with powerful militaries.
Not to nitpick you guys, just interested in starting a discussion, this video like the last touches on huge historical topics that honestly needs videos of their own because no one talks about them enough. The Boxer Rebellion, Rape of Nanking, and Chinese Civil War are super important. Honestly, Southeastern Asian history is barely taught despite the area's importance today: the Taiping Rebellion, Japanese Occupation of Korea, Bengal Famine are some other ones.
learning about japan during ww2 was one of the most horrific things one can learn, nanking, the death march and unit 731 will make you just lose all respect for humanity, and make you question a lot
The lead up to Pearl Harbour had surprisingly little to do with the actual Pearl Harbour. We've now covered China, Germany, the Soviet Union, Britain, France, Italy, Malaysia, Indochina and Indonesia. And we're still going to have to add the Phillipines, Thailand, Australia, Burma and India before all is said and done.
The general vibe I get from this and other historical accounts is that a great deal of what happens was the result of those in the military going broken arrow, leaving the government and civilian sides of Japan to, as we know, pay the price later on 😟
6:16 we actually made a movie about this event called "Маш нууц: Байтагбогд"/"Top Secret: Bäitig bögd" and only 12 mongolian soldiers held back i think was a couple 100 soldiers a few mortars and chivilaries.
From that sailor on an AA gun in underwear to the 2nd in command writing orders in his own blood from his throat being ripped open… Jeez, the Panay was manned by men with balls of steel!
The spelling is all wrong to begin with then, it should be "Panai" in English, so us English speakers have less trouble saying it. This happens with a lot of Asian words since the translations were written a few hundred years ago.
@@leggonarm9835 The funniest thing about that is that sometimes, something gets lost in translation, take Japanese for example, it's a beautiful language, but when you translate it into English, sometimes it doesn't make sense until you have to re-arrange the words.
Interesting that EC didn't put a dotted line on the map at 7:54 considering Austria was considered a defeated power and not a legitimate part of Germany after the war.
I love this channel, it is so interesting and makes subjects that perhaps wouldn't be entirely enticing very catching and enjoyable. I hope one day my channel (also a history channel) will be as gripping as yours! Best the Knight of History.
French Indochina is very important for international trade. It was fine as long as France controlled it, but it was unacceptable for the U.S. to be controlled by imperial japan or communist Vietnam.
Well the Gouverment had lost complete Controll and the Military just did what it want. The problem was even the Military was split into so many Factions that this means Escalations everywhere. And this does not even include the Rivalry between the Army and the Navy.
@@oilybat3269 It is not difficult to read a bit you know, you are only saying who the emperor didn't aprove the war despite preciding the Liaison conference on September 1941 when they decided to go to war
Writing orders in his own blood --- If that was in a movie, it would be considered unrealistic and over the top. Something for the kids, not for us adults. BUT - it really happened. This is why I love history more than fiction.
In the 1930s Stalin wasn’t exactly a huge fan of Mao and the Chinese communists. He was constantly pushing Mao to make a deal with Chiang and cooperate with the KMT army against the Japanese and seemed to view Chiang as the legitimate leader of the country. At that point Stalin was conditioning any aid he would give to Mao on their cooperation with the KMT. In fact Stalin seemed to like Chiang better (it also helped he held his son and grandson hostage in Russia). The question of who was the more effective side in the second Sino-Japanese war, the Communists or the KMT, is one of the most controversial questions in the scholarship of World War II but I’m sure that’s for a whole different set of videos.
So, as a historian, people have asked me why would you listen to things you know alot about. In this case, I'm a pretty big WWII buff. Yet, it had never dawned on me that the Non-aggression pact would allow the USSR to pivot to a conflict with Japan. I had always viewed it as either an ability to increase their domestic stability or expand towards other parts of Europe/the Middle East. It does make absolute sense though since the USSR wanted to support Maoism on the global stage and the previous war with Japan that they lost. Now, the Tsar started that war and I'm positive Stalin didn't give two shites about China as a whole, but there's a lot of political weight being shifted around there. Point being: It's good to learn about things you know alot about because you may find a new way to look at it!!
don't forget Howland, baker, Jarvis and Palmyra... there's one more... my grandfather was part of the island hopper network set up to prepare for war with japan... in 1932...
1:43 The advantage of the bombing of the USS Panay being captured in film is that you can actually find the footage on TH-cam (if you are that curious on seeing the pant-less sailor manning the artillery gun on camera). 5:19 The implication that the airplanes that bombed the USS Panay were using American fuel sold to Japan specifically for use in their war is so ironic that it's hilarious. 7:23 Oh, I see Rosevelt also spotted the irony (and he didn't find it that funny after all)
I can’t find any sources for the second officer writing “abandon ship” in his blood. Everything I’ve seen says that the captain gave the order. Does anyone know the legitimacy of this claim?
If there is one thing that'll never change about politics, is how complicated it all gets as we can't imagine a world where Germany, the US, Britain, Japan and the Soviets didn't want to kill each other but that world did exist for a time. Also, at this point...yeah, the Japanese should have just just come clean about their lack of control over their armed forces as in your last series about them, it kinda makes you feel bad for the civilian government as they couldn't make any promises for deals since the army could break them the very next day, egged on by high goals but no plans. Case in point, the fact that they couldn't even tell the US WHY their gunboat was attacked as both sides know their line about misidentification was BS.
The USSR largely supposed Chiang Kai-Shek and the GMD during the pre-war years seeing them as largely the more useful of the two and frequently interposed restrictions on the Chinese Red Amy and Chinese Communist Party, its a bit of an over simplication of a complicated diplomatic game to say Stalin supported Mao when more accurately he probably didn't until Mao ended up winning.
The irony of Japan"s militarism and the democracy it embraced in the Taisho era was a tragic one. On one hand they need the military since they have the very real possibility of being another China but on the other, the military is straight up doing its own thing and the higher level generals dont even want to discipline their officers at the risk of being seen as unpatriotic. The emperor tried putting down an attempted army coup once and it was a very risky gamble, one that couldve ended with another civil war. If France can do worker strikes, Imperial Japanese Armed Forces can do coups like no other.
Hi Extra Credits! I just got into an argument with my parents about whether i should listen to your videos or listen to “scholars who spend their entire lives studying this.” Can you send me some of the links or books you used for the info you are presenting? Thank you! :D
Hello! Our writer for this series is Robert Rath who studied in Hawaii and has a degree in European History. I can also say this is one of his FAVORITE subjects to talk about! Seriously he was over the moon when this subject was suggested by our Patreons because he's spend a bunch of time at museums and reading about the subject. His recommended reading list for this series will be available in our "Path to Pearl Harbor Lies" video. Which should come out on 1/7/2023.
Because they are. Extra History used to have 10-15 minute videos and it would be straight content the whole way through. Now? It's an 5-8 minute rush job to get to the 4-5 minute ad tacked on at the end in addition to the usual Patreon thanking ending.
So I think what we can all learn from this is how important it is to keep your soldiers on the ground from doing stupid things like starting wars with world powers.
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Wrong German flag at 2:11, the Nazi flag became the sole state flag on Sept 15, 1935.
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Writing "abandon ship" in his own blood after getting hit in the neck by shrapnel has got to be the most badass retreat order I've ever heard of.
I spent 12 years in the US Navy (08-20), and am currently in the Navy Reserves and of all the badasses of naval history I have had to learn about in that time, I have never before heard of anything as metal as an XO writting orders in his own blood
Did you hear about the Seabees stealing train engines and beer in Korea, the USS Johnston at Samar, or the USS Barb?
@Bthsr71
There are a bunch of SeaBees at my reserve center. if I remember, I'll ask them about it next month.
The USS Johnston rings a bell the skipper got a MoH for something.
Writing abandon ship in your own blood like that is fucking metal
Ahaha my EXACT words when I heard that were "okay but that's metal as fuck" 🤣
He was built different.
The abandon ship order written in blood was actually written on the back of a map. It's now on display in the US Navy Museum.
2:42 unsurprising Japan's civilian government had next to no control over their military they essentially did whatever the hell they wanted
It's already established in their series on Japanese militarism that most of the time Tokyo has no control over the army. They murdered three Prime Ministers during that time...
In case anyone was wondering how it was possible for the government to have no control over the military, it's because Japan's military branches were setup as independent entities, with the government simply providing resources to whichever branches needed them at the time. This had the unfortunate side-effect of encouraging branches who wanted more resources than they were currently being given, to intentionally start shit so that the government would be forced to give them more.
Not quite, the problem is more due to that there was no clear chain of command in which the military was clearly subordinate to the civilian government; the army answered to the General Staff (of the Army) and vice versa for the Navy; who answered to the Emperor directly (presumably via the privy council) bypassing the Ministry of Defence. Additionally as covered in a previous EH episode, the Army and Navy could bring down the government basically at will because by law, an active duty officer nominated by the respective service had to staff cabinet positions and if they weren't filled would force the Prime Minister to resign; essentially creating a veto power over the civilian government. Add in the threat of assassination and you had a recipe for a government that had less influence on the military than the zaibatsu's and business community.
It speaks volumes about how fanatical the Japanese army was that they had no problem picking a fight with the US and the USSR, two enormous industrial powers, while trying to conquer and hold down all of China simultaneously.
The fools! They committed one the classic blunders: don't fight a land war in Asia.
This is the same Japan that kicked Russia in the rears a dozen or so years ago in the Russo-Japanese war. They had good reason to feel so confident.
Maybe a little too confident
@@Loremastrful "Having reason to be confident" doesn't mean that confidence wasn't utterly ridiculous.
@@Loremastrful not really . There were a series of conflicts and border wars from 1932 to 1939 which the Soviets defeated Japan. And that was before they were in top WW2 shape. These losses proved the Soviets weren’t as weak as before and made China a better choice to invade
I seem to remember that the Soviet general who broke the back of the Japanese offensive in Mongolia was a young Georgy Zhukov, and it was the making of his career.
I'm of the opinion that the Soviet-Japanese Border Conflict would make for a good series, one-off, or two-off. A bit too recent to be eligible on Patreon most of the time, though.
Just Zhukov doing Zhukov things
@nig a That *and American gas and steel (and more, clothes and food were another vital piece of American aid). According to Kruschev, even Stalin privately admitted so. The Soviets would have been royally screwed if it wasn't for that getting them through, along with it's generals.
@nig a I'm not from the US either and agree with you 100%, just point that out lately because I have noticed a trend where people like to claim x country won the war, when it reality it was 100% a joint effort
I've heard it said that "the War was won with Soviet Blood, British Intelligence, and American Steel." I think that is a good summation of the interdependent contributions of each power.
The fact children sent letters of apologies makes me both killed by cuteness and saddened that even the children were driven to apologize
Same, forget tugging that yoinked my heartstrings
Even sadder is the fact that thousand of innocent children were obliterated by the two atomic bombs some years after that. Criminals make crimes and the innocent pays the price.
@@Der.Geschichtenerzahler Dont forget the fire bombings of tokyo, and going to mention Japanese soldiers played catch the Chinese baby with their bsyonets
It saddens me more that those same children may have been killed by two atomic bombs. Classic US. You draw a pen line on their notebook and they burn your notebook down as retaliation.
I don't know, killing and enslaving thousands of people doesn't seem like drawing a pen line.
Just the opening scene to this video gave me chills. Well done Extra Credits👌
We could not believe what we were reading when the script came out! This series just gets more and more explosive.
As a wise man once said, "Those who don't learn from history may end up invading Siberia again."
Ooh, that's good. Who said that one?
@@bthsr7113 Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw.
I know it's just a citation but didn't Russia have to invade it at a certain point?
@@kayemni Yeah they did but at the time, no one worth any salt had claimed Siberia and it was inexpensive to govern. History Matters has a video on the matter called "Why did Russia conquer Siberia."
Giving an order by writing it to a panel of a ship with your own blood is the most metal thing I have ever heard.
Brutal and metal. Dethclock approved!👍
That was one of the more intense openings you've done on this channel. Well done
Thank you!
"He can't speak, so he writes orders in his own blood."
Metal.
What does the order "metal" mean? /s
I love that the earlier series posted on militarism in Japan provides the additional context of just *how* they got to the point where their foreign policy was so at the mercy of the most aggressive elements in their armed forces. The way the pieces fit together gives so much richer an understanding than the individual events on their own.
All the citizens and school kids writing applogies sorta tugs the heartstrings. Even though we'd be at war soon.
People, Culture, and Government. Typically they're not aligned. The people and the culture didn't want war, the government and/or military did. Common theme in history.
@@09lowkey Sounds sadly familiar to many of another country's people today, judging from what I've seen from them online.
I don't know that I've ever heard of the USS Panay before. I'm enjoying the focus on Asia and the Japanese doings over there in this episode. It's a subject I could sure stand to learn more about. Thank you for another excellent episode!
Merry Christmas out there everybody! ✝️🎄
sailors responding to casualties in their Skibbies is not as uncommon as you think. Its still common today.
Phil Rasmussen a pilot that managed to get airborne during the Pearl Harbor attack, did so in his government issue pj's. There's a display at the National Museum of the Air Force dedicated to him with a P-36 Hawk like he flew complete with a manniquin wearing his pajamas.
Yep. When you're at sea and there's an emergency you don't wait to put your pants on before responding.
I mean, the pants don't offer much protection anyways, so speed is something you'll be better served by.
"The soviets could focus all of their attention toward invading Manchuria and Japan."
Finland, baltics: "Ah, yes, everything will be completely perfectly normal. Nothing important is about to happen"
Amazing topic, love your videos ever since y’all uploaded y’all’s Punic War videos!
Side note: While almost everyone pronounces it as [pa-neigh], it should be [pa-nigh] because it was named for the island of Panay in the Philippines, at the time a US colony.
Within the US, the pronunciation of "Panay" itself has drifted more to the former to match other words ending in "ay".
Just a a couple of things, The Hokushin-Ron and Nakushin-Ron (Strike North and Strike South) were both army plans the first was more popular in the nativist Kodoha of Sadao Araki, the second was more popular in the industrialist Toseiha of Hideki Tojo among otheters. The Navy was split more into respectin the treaties with the West or initiate an armamentistic race, and thus the latest supported the "Southern Strike", whose faction was leaded by the Prince Fushimi.
I once again have enjoyed watching this episode of this fascinating series. Please keep up the great work!
This was a really freaking good story. The writing of orders in blood, firing machine guns in your underwear, citizens giving money to Nanking victims. It just has everything.
I think you need to make a series about the Japanese on the ground - to supplement the political theater. To shine light on the atrocities committed in Korea, china etc.
The 85th anniversary of the Nanking massacre is coming up on Dec 13 this year, and it would be a good opportunity for EH to cover it.
It’s an atrocity that showed how horrible the Imperial Japanese army in the city was with treating civilians, and how incompetent General Iwane Matsui was in managing and disciplining his commanders, officers and troops during the whole mess
imho no they started this channel for kids to learn history in a fun way they wouldn’t do those topics in depth theyd glaze over it.
Legendary American filmmaker Frank Capra actually did a summary of the Chinese WWII theater and atrocities Japan committed there IIRC in "The Battle of China", which became a part of his famous "Why We Fight" film series.
Have you seen the topics done by extra history? They have talked about the potato famine, the politics that started world war one, and the thirty years war with the four horsemen.
That admiral with the throat is an absolute badass.
Oh my god I’ve been watching extra history for so many years now, but 5:32 to 5:38 is the funniest bits of animation I’ve ever seen on this show
i love the spider skull walker and rifts reference. It's always been one of my favorite rpg's not many can match it for free form and cross overs.
I’ve been waiting a week for this thank you
The Panay is just foreshadowing
WWII is another excellent example of the problem of apparent national strength. Not unlike two deer looking at each other's antlers before one backs down, nations look at their rival's military might to determine who would win in a fight before engaging in aggression. But when democracies have small military footprints relative to their industrial capacity and national willingness to fight, it gives nations with less capacity the idea that they could grab quick territorial concessions from said democracy. When quick initial victories lead to the other side gearing up for long term retaliation, casualties and costs mount up vastly higher than anybody would have predicted. Nobody wants to spend resources on war they don't intend to wage but just like any other animals, humans generally don't pick fights with rivals whose arsenals are equal to or larger than their own. The problem is looking like a genuinely unappealing target while trying to minimize the material costs and moral hazards involved with powerful militaries.
Is no one gonna talk about how good the yokai design is at 5:00? thats unironically really cool
Bill Cipher?
@@subira8518 No, that's an umbrella.
Not to nitpick you guys, just interested in starting a discussion, this video like the last touches on huge historical topics that honestly needs videos of their own because no one talks about them enough. The Boxer Rebellion, Rape of Nanking, and Chinese Civil War are super important. Honestly, Southeastern Asian history is barely taught despite the area's importance today: the Taiping Rebellion, Japanese Occupation of Korea, Bengal Famine are some other ones.
I learned of this event because I literally live in the island that USS Panay is named after.
USS Panay was named after the island of Panay in the philippines. Panay is pronounced with the same A in both syllables, that which is the A in Can
Funny how they used Von Hindenburg to represent Germany even though he's been dead for 7 years at this point XD
LOL
Nice touch having FDR holding onto someone's shoulder when he's shown standing.
I just realized, World Anvil can actually be a really powerful tool for historians to organize data.
Might even help connect certain events as taking place concurrently that would otherwise be sectioned off in separate parts of one's memory.
you have a childish understanding of the work historians do
@@KrikrTriwas How would you know????
learning about japan during ww2 was one of the most horrific things one can learn, nanking, the death march and unit 731 will make you just lose all respect for humanity, and make you question a lot
nice to see history that is often not only not discussed but even hidden
The lead up to Pearl Harbour had surprisingly little to do with the actual Pearl Harbour. We've now covered China, Germany, the Soviet Union, Britain, France, Italy, Malaysia, Indochina and Indonesia. And we're still going to have to add the Phillipines, Thailand, Australia, Burma and India before all is said and done.
The general vibe I get from this and other historical accounts is that a great deal of what happens was the result of those in the military going broken arrow, leaving the government and civilian sides of Japan to, as we know, pay the price later on 😟
His multiverse campaign is confusing and chaos and I love it
love that Airplane manufacturer with a model glued to his head :D
Love y’all’s content keep up the good work
Writing orders in your own blood goes hard as hell
You gotta do a video or two about the extremely horrific terrors the Croatian Ustaša committed during the second world war
6:16 we actually made a movie about this event called "Маш нууц: Байтагбогд"/"Top Secret: Bäitig bögd" and only 12 mongolian soldiers held back i think was a couple 100 soldiers a few mortars and chivilaries.
I love this series!
From that sailor on an AA gun in underwear to the 2nd in command writing orders in his own blood from his throat being ripped open…
Jeez, the Panay was manned by men with balls of steel!
I mean when you are under fire there are not that many Options.
"Dereliction of Duty" is a court martial offense that often means firing squad...
God damn... I forgot about the blood abandon ship order. That is so incredobly hardcore.
I'm a Filipino and the pronunciation of Panay is wrong but I will give it an okay for trying
What’s the correct pronunciation
@@lonlidood116 English speakers will pronounce it as “Panei” but the correct pronunciation for Filipino is closer to “Panai”
Pa-nai
The spelling is all wrong to begin with then, it should be "Panai" in English, so us English speakers have less trouble saying it. This happens with a lot of Asian words since the translations were written a few hundred years ago.
@@leggonarm9835 The funniest thing about that is that sometimes, something gets lost in translation, take Japanese for example, it's a beautiful language, but when you translate it into English, sometimes it doesn't make sense until you have to re-arrange the words.
Interesting that EC didn't put a dotted line on the map at 7:54 considering Austria was considered a defeated power and not a legitimate part of Germany after the war.
Thank you for the video.
The animation got better :D
That second officer is metal as hell
I love this channel, it is so interesting and makes subjects that perhaps wouldn't be entirely enticing very catching and enjoyable. I hope one day my channel (also a history channel) will be as gripping as yours! Best the Knight of History.
French Indochina is very important for international trade.
It was fine as long as France controlled it, but it was unacceptable for the U.S. to be controlled by imperial japan or communist Vietnam.
The Imperial Japanese Military ignoring the Emperor and starting as many conflicts as possible is kind of a theme in Asian WW2 history.
Well the Gouverment had lost complete Controll and the Military just did what it want. The problem was even the Military was split into so many Factions that this means Escalations everywhere. And this does not even include the Rivalry between the Army and the Navy.
The emperor aproved the war, also ministers Hirota Konoe Hiiranuma and Tojo, so the civilian government was actually pretty fine with it.
@@omarbradley6807 source
@@oilybat3269 source: trust me bro
@@oilybat3269 It is not difficult to read a bit you know, you are only saying who the emperor didn't aprove the war despite preciding the Liaison conference on September 1941 when they decided to go to war
dude, i would love it if more dms would place themselves in games, that's some ballsy stuff right there.
I've noticed a common thing among the axis powers. They all could have done serious stuff with just the tiniest bit of patience.
Writing orders in his own blood ---
If that was in a movie, it would be considered unrealistic and over the top.
Something for the kids, not for us adults.
BUT - it really happened.
This is why I love history more than fiction.
It's important to remember an early first step to empire status for Japan was getting all of Germany's Pacific territories at the end of WW1.
The first step was actualy the Russo Japanese War followed by the first Sino Japanese War.
Fools! The first step was the Big Bang!
@@susakuzero Japan's victory over Russia in 1904 cannot be underestimated.
I'd say the first step was getting powerful and important enough to get rid of the unequal treaties.
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I am not sure if you agree or disagree with me here but the War with Rusia in 1904 is the Ruso Japanese war i am talking about.
In the 1930s Stalin wasn’t exactly a huge fan of Mao and the Chinese communists. He was constantly pushing Mao to make a deal with Chiang and cooperate with the KMT army against the Japanese and seemed to view Chiang as the legitimate leader of the country. At that point Stalin was conditioning any aid he would give to Mao on their cooperation with the KMT. In fact Stalin seemed to like Chiang better (it also helped he held his son and grandson hostage in Russia).
The question of who was the more effective side in the second Sino-Japanese war, the Communists or the KMT, is one of the most controversial questions in the scholarship of World War II but I’m sure that’s for a whole different set of videos.
So, as a historian, people have asked me why would you listen to things you know alot about. In this case, I'm a pretty big WWII buff. Yet, it had never dawned on me that the Non-aggression pact would allow the USSR to pivot to a conflict with Japan. I had always viewed it as either an ability to increase their domestic stability or expand towards other parts of Europe/the Middle East. It does make absolute sense though since the USSR wanted to support Maoism on the global stage and the previous war with Japan that they lost. Now, the Tsar started that war and I'm positive Stalin didn't give two shites about China as a whole, but there's a lot of political weight being shifted around there.
Point being: It's good to learn about things you know alot about because you may find a new way to look at it!!
don't forget Howland, baker, Jarvis and Palmyra... there's one more... my grandfather was part of the island hopper network set up to prepare for war with japan... in 1932...
قُلْ إِنَّ رَبِّي يَبْسُطُ الرِّزْقَ لِمَن يَشَاءُ مِنْ عِبَادِهِ وَيَقْدِرُ لَهُ ۚ وَمَا أَنفَقْتُم مِّن شَيْءٍ فَهُوَ يُخْلِفُهُ ۖ وَهُوَ خَيْرُ الرَّازِقِينَ
The intro is certainly shocking; "Abandon Ship" 😱
1:43 The advantage of the bombing of the USS Panay being captured in film is that you can actually find the footage on TH-cam (if you are that curious on seeing the pant-less sailor manning the artillery gun on camera).
5:19 The implication that the airplanes that bombed the USS Panay were using American fuel sold to Japan specifically for use in their war is so ironic that it's hilarious.
7:23 Oh, I see Rosevelt also spotted the irony (and he didn't find it that funny after all)
I can’t find any sources for the second officer writing “abandon ship” in his blood. Everything I’ve seen says that the captain gave the order. Does anyone know the legitimacy of this claim?
Found an npr article that lists his son as the primary source.
If there is one thing that'll never change about politics, is how complicated it all gets as we can't imagine a world where Germany, the US, Britain, Japan and the Soviets didn't want to kill each other but that world did exist for a time. Also, at this point...yeah, the Japanese should have just just come clean about their lack of control over their armed forces as in your last series about them, it kinda makes you feel bad for the civilian government as they couldn't make any promises for deals since the army could break them the very next day, egged on by high goals but no plans. Case in point, the fact that they couldn't even tell the US WHY their gunboat was attacked as both sides know their line about misidentification was BS.
I love how this perfectly came out on time because my birthday is on pearl Harbor Is feels like the channel celebrating me lol
The USSR largely supposed Chiang Kai-Shek and the GMD during the pre-war years seeing them as largely the more useful of the two and frequently interposed restrictions on the Chinese Red Amy and Chinese Communist Party, its a bit of an over simplication of a complicated diplomatic game to say Stalin supported Mao when more accurately he probably didn't until Mao ended up winning.
The irony of Japan"s militarism and the democracy it embraced in the Taisho era was a tragic one. On one hand they need the military since they have the very real possibility of being another China but on the other, the military is straight up doing its own thing and the higher level generals dont even want to discipline their officers at the risk of being seen as unpatriotic.
The emperor tried putting down an attempted army coup once and it was a very risky gamble, one that couldve ended with another civil war. If France can do worker strikes, Imperial Japanese Armed Forces can do coups like no other.
Interesting thing mine great grandfather was actually at pearl harbor when it was attacked I miss him everyday since he passed away in 2011...
Hi Extra Credits! I just got into an argument with my parents about whether i should listen to your videos or listen to “scholars who spend their entire lives studying this.” Can you send me some of the links or books you used for the info you are presenting? Thank you! :D
Hello! Our writer for this series is Robert Rath who studied in Hawaii and has a degree in European History. I can also say this is one of his FAVORITE subjects to talk about! Seriously he was over the moon when this subject was suggested by our Patreons because he's spend a bunch of time at museums and reading about the subject. His recommended reading list for this series will be available in our "Path to Pearl Harbor Lies" video. Which should come out on 1/7/2023.
Very mind-boggling that the US supplied Japan with oil and other resources even while they had firsthand experience of the Nanking massacre!
Sry but do you belive that People actualy cared about the Chinese i mean that kinda a cute thought.
I get the feeling that Japan at that time is the "I do what I damned well want and I really don't care what you do to me" belief
3:55 Giggity
why do these videos feel so short?
Because they are. Extra History used to have 10-15 minute videos and it would be straight content the whole way through.
Now? It's an 5-8 minute rush job to get to the 4-5 minute ad tacked on at the end in addition to the usual Patreon thanking ending.
great video, but you're missing "G" at 6:47 lol
Note to all future constitution crafters: making the army independent of any civilian oversight is not a recipe for stability or victory.
We just going to sail over how the dude wrote Abandon ship in blood?!? That's metal asf
Rest in peace uss pannay😭😭
The idea of a government using World Anvil to keep track of their wars is so god damn funny
Writing orders in your own blood after a shot to the throat that’s hard core
7:54-8:03 Germany was bigger, they had already annexed the modern Czech Republic.
they didn't annex it, they placed it under military occupation
Well Howdy!
wasn't this partly the inspiration for the "Sand Pebbles" movie?
So I think what we can all learn from this is how important it is to keep your soldiers on the ground from doing stupid things like starting wars with world powers.
He wrote with his own blood? That’s metal af
By Japanese ppl sending apologies to the us embassy only make the bombing of Japan by USA even more heart wrenching
The Panay was the second generation of a gunboat named for an island in the Philippines
I had no idea about the apologies for the Penne. In American high schools they just teach us that the Japanese in ww2 just wanted to crush America
USS Panay is named after a Philippine island of the same name where the provinces of Iloilo, Capiz, Antique, and Aklan are located.
8:02 WHY IS IT SO CUTE
8:00 Germany had annexed Czechoslovakia in 1938 and 39
Who is the person used to depict japan on this episode? the one with the rising sun necktie and a black suit