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One should remember that the Battle of Blair Mountain was only one of several armed conflicts to break out around this time in the American coal mining industry. Less than a decade earlier, the very similar Ludlow Coal War had been fought in Colorado, ending in the Ludlow Massacre in which private detectives tore through the miner's camps, setting tents on fire and machine gunning fleeing miners and their families, ending in some 200 casualties.
@@SantomPh the people with the power do their best to preserve it, while trying to convince everyone that it's in all their best interest that a few exploit the many to get "bribe everyone from the sheriff to the governor"-levels of wealthy. The people at the bottom are too busy working just to be alive. The workers can be very aware that they are being exploited, but this system perpetuates because it's very very good at disempowering it's underclass.
Sadly, it’s not a coincidence. Quite a few people would rather have knowledge of the US labor movement be largely unknown to the public. Wouldn’t want them to learn unions bled for American rights.
Yeah, the history of labor in the US is incredibly violent and has had an enormous impact on everyone's life yet it is covered very little. I wonder why 🤔
A Miner stood at the golden gate, His head was bent and low. He meekly asked the man of fate, The way that he should go. 'What have you done' St. Peter said 'To gain admission here?' 'I merely mined for coal' he said, 'for many and many a year.' St. Peter opened up the gate, And softly tolled the bell. 'Come and choose your harp' he said 'You've had your share of hell.' Rhys Prince.
I live about an hour from Blair Mountain and this is something I never see talked about enough, but outside of unions and anarchist circles it never gets brought up because it shows Americas apathy for it’s citizenry.
It shows quite the opposite. Despite following the tail end of the Gilded Age, local officials tried their best to protect local workers as a bastion against corporate greed.
I'm not American, but knowing Americans can't even go to the hospital without going bankrupt hurts me. It really shouldn't be like this when social democracies or basic human decency clearly works. What does Scandinavia or Germany have that the US doesn't? US citizens would want for nothing under a social democracy. The only ones who would complain would be the richest of the rich (as their companies would have to raise the minimum wage), whose opinion on government and humanity doesn't align with anyone's interests anyways. How extreme is it to ask for the possibility to go to the hospital or raise the minimum wage? As a Norwegian, it seems completely insane to me to not have a livable wage or be able to visit the hospital if hurt. It doesn't even mean you'll have to pay more taxes (although you will if you get richer) or give away your rights of gun ownership. What it means is that the government and companies give what they OWE to their citizens and workers. If they can afford leisure trips to space then they can easily afford to give back to Americans.
@@schemaricvg4221 At most a handful of local officials out of hundreds, if not thousands, of government officials at the local, state, and federal level who'd willingly taken blood money to look the other way. That's not the government stepping in, that's the *community* stepping in to protect itself from the machinations of Capitalism.
Wasn’t till I worked at Walmart I realized how scared large corporations are scared of united workers. During orientation watched a 30 minute video on the company and store policy. Next was a 90 damn minute video on the “dangers” of unions. They really wanted to drive home how much they hated unions.
Unfortunately national unions now are more worried about keeping workers inline with HR policies than improving worker conditions and keeping more of the value of their labor
@@JohnnyLodge2 The same here in Brazil, were the unions are more interested in supporting the "Workers Party" (PT, the one involved in LITERALLY ALL the corruption schemes we know of), instead of trying to improve workers lives. Just because the unions' bosses (not workers' leaders, more like mob bosses, for real) never gained so much money than during PT's government. Not money for the unions' fundings, money for bosses' pockets directly.
@@carloshenriquezimmer7543 in america I think we arent so corrupt, yet. But nobody keeps workers in line like union leaders these days. We have ever decreasing union membership and the new ones that pop up like alphabet union would rather ensure that the boss be able to fire you for saying bad words than advance workers rights
@@JohnnyLodge2 Fake unions are everywhere now-friend of mine works at a telecom and the union there has been created by management so that they can prevent an actual union from organizing.
Fun Fact: During the battle, anti-union forces used commercial planes to drop bombs - both explosives and chemical weapons - on the miners. None of the anti-union forces went to jail.
@@malachiphoniex8501 The bombing by the US police during the Tulsa race massacre was actually the first aerial bombing on US soil, and that at Blair Mountain the second.
It’s nice to see that other states and people are learning about West Virginia more and more honestly who could have forgotten Blair’s Mountain honestly nothing makes a West Virginian more happy then other people talk about West Virginia
Growing up in a pa coal town i feel the same way. Do you guys learn about the molly maguires down there? cause i've heard of this before although we didn't cover it in much detail.
I'm not from WV, but my family is. One thing that always surprises me is how many people there are anti-union despite their history. It's like they've forgotten their history, which I'm sure is the case for many. Most victories of the labor movement have been suppressed so much that labor day is just a day off for most people and nothing more.
Really? The average Joe isn't taught about how effective it is for him and his fellow laborers to band together to fight power with numbers? Who could have imagined such a scenario?!
@@mylesbarrett2031 thanks to the 6+ ( and more than one employer's 🇺🇸 have tried that one me 😐 😡 ) mouth's-strait of going to work ( 19+yo yes i shamefully payed to go to work at place's i would've volunteered for aka not my hobbies in anyform, besides which i at the time and nowadays can't really afford to do that stuff/stupidly as USA 🇺🇸 and uk 🇬🇧 are capitalism society's ect, in someways it would be nice to live in a startrek-world that i could be my hobbies/orish-self but productive members of commonwealth ) and not getting anything aka pay ( for a larger corporation doing hard labour like line-work/manufacturing/palletising-ect ) and my history teachers/techsbooks ( glossed mostly over it, but some did what to warn us about historical-mistakes and to avoid being forced into the same, but government/more-powerful forced them to mostly glossary over-it ) and former coworkers-simi-union-but-unhappy-with-it and the internet i could see the/into past and to original intentions/goals, helping me change my mind one of the boomer's/anti-labour's and former-coworker-simi was corruption and the lack of trust/trying for average payer into the system and taxpayers paying and or not getting the full version/community's-benefit and in some notating-talk's/table's benefitted the union's president and CEO not worker's which isn't how workers reinvestment works correctly aka bad-union+bad corporation/1%er, plus the factory's-management pr.department being hard core anti collective bargaining rights ( in any format so being single and voicing for safety concerns could get you fired or write-up not just classic-picking-union-activity's, but saying anything about that even in a historical event context really fired them up, like the shirtwaist fire 1890~1940~ let alone modern-activity ) and union-steward's, that videos are a self selling experience/point to me that there's something on the other side of the table than self-hate/ voters against their natural interests or better working rights and fair-pay/living-conditions/lifestyle's one plant i was in wouldn't be bothered to fix ( tried to hide it from local government officials and osha ect ) a piece of equipment known for smacking/crushing worker's and a clear volition of osha-law's, yes i got hit in my hip's/stummic more than once and i told the superintendent/supervisors/maintenance to please fix it before a baby+mother got hurt on the packing/manufacturing-line and the baby is born with birth-defects/die's-still-born, or does more damage/disable's to me
This explains a lot of the lore I've seen in Fallout 76, a large chunk of which takes place around Blair Mountain. One song played on the in-game radio in particular comes to mind, Sixteen Tons, which contains the following lyrics: You load 16 tons, what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt St. Peter, don't you call me 'cause I can't go I owe my soul to the company store
Thank you, thank you, thank you! Thank you for covering company towns! Ever since Hardspace Shipbreaker came out I've wanted extra credits to cover this horrible topic. Growing up in Pennsylvania where the coal mining and steel industry were huge we were taught all about this topic, bur sadly most of the rest of the US, much less the world, know not just the hopelessness of the people, but the horrors and how very very recent this all is.
Sounds very similar to the situation in cities like Sudbury, where a lot of northern mining towns were basically in constant debt to the mining companies to supply the cities' wellbeing >.< To the point where city mayors basically had to go beg to the companies for handouts every year because the city itself could not afford to upkeep roads, etc.
PA has a great labor element to its history curriculum, at lest back when I was in school. Hell, we learned about the Knights of Labor, even! The Molly Maguires, too, though maybe that's b/c I'm from east PA
I've been waiting for this one. One of the most important events in US history and a strong reminder that working rights were fought at the cost of blood. Continue the fight. Continue the struggle.
@@Chriscraft-ug3sz different song actually. Ethan is referencing the Battle Cry of Freedom while Solidarity Forever is the labor version of The Battle Hymn of the Republic
Southern WV native here. Coming from a family where every single male member of our extended family (myself and my youngest brother excluded) work in or for the mines, I can't state how excited I am to see this story finally start getting some more recognition. Growing up in a coal camp, learning about Blair Mountain and worker's rights started as soon as we could understand. I can still remember being a teensy little tyke at my gramma's for one of our big family Christmases, and my uncle sitting in a rocking chair and tell us youngins' the story. Also, while other areas may pronounce it like you did in this episode, most of West Virginia says "Apple-at-cha." An easy way to remember is: If you say "Apple-lay-sha", I'll throw an "apple-at-cha!" 😉
where i'm from we tend to pronounce it similarly, just more of an apple-a'cha than apple-aT-cha. funniest pronounciation i ever heard is is "appall-aych-ia", i think i heard that one in either dc or new england.
Keep this story alive, please. According to Charles B. Keeney, the battlefields are in risk of dissapearing, due to mining companies, the west virginian and federal politicians. Cheers.
A battle field for Union workers against greedy mining executives and bribable politicians is in danger because of greedy mining executives and bribable politicians?
My parents and grandparents were labor union activists. I spent 40 years working in construction, mining and water treatment as a labor union activist. My daughter graduated from university and is now the elected leader of the largest labor union coalition in Washington state. Advocacy for the poor and working classes runs in my family. I grew up on stories about strikes and the hatred of the wealthy towards workers. An injury to one is an injury to all!
4:13 this also happened in Chile with the saltpeter mines in the late 19 and early 20 centuries. Down right to the mining company owned grocery store. Most infamously, the Chilean army massacred at least 195 people (some accounts put the number at 300, but accuracy is hard to come by due to government cover ups at the time) during protests in 1907
Really hope they can some day cover the matanza en la escuela de Santa María And yeah the whole episode really reminded me of it even that detail about the workers putting class over ethnicity like when here in chile there were striking miners from peru and bolivia and when the embassadors came and told their country man that the chilean army was going to clear the school with gunpowder the Bolivian and Peruvian miners said (according to various sources) with the chileans we work with the Chileans we stand and with the chilean we'ld die
As an Appalachian who lives in a coal mining area, the battle of Blair Mountain is a part of my heritage that not too many people know, so thanks for bringing light to it. And for the love of all that’s holy, it’s pronounced “APPLE-AT-CHA”.
Martyr Made just put out a 5hr special on the battle for Blair Mountain and the American labor wars if anyone wants more depth. Absolutely fantastic series he's done so far.
So glad you're covering the Battle of Blair Mountain! I remember reading coal miner's poetry about it for American Lit and thinking, "how have I never heard about this before?"
have you ever heard of may day? or the ludlow massacre? it's because labor history is intentionally suppressed. hell "labor day" was made just to replace may day and make people forget about the haymarket affair it had come to commemorate.
Damn Extra Credits back with another banger. Hope we get more information about the Battle of Blair Mountain. Definitely an underrated aspect of American History
I am a Logan county native and even though the art style of this video and it’s narration is somewhat light hearted, you sir have brought me to tears. Thank you for telling this story. I am very eager to see the next episode.
Was a West Virginian and one of the biggest fans of history in the state I am very happy to see you guys covering one of the few major events in its history
Grandpa remembered hearing about this first hand when he was a kid in the 1920s. His family were miners, and he dropped out of high school when his father died in a mining accident, becoming the breadwinner of the family.
Mercedes Lackey's book "Jolene" is set in a company town in Tennessee, and there is No sugarcoating just how bad it was, even if the protagonist never goes in the mine herself. Coal dust choking everything, from plants to people, is a constant running element throughout.
So glad you guys are covering coal mining history. It is so underappreciated, which is frustrating as it played such a huge role in the development and growth of the US and Canada. As a coal historian from Alberta Canada, I am thrilled to see this topic finally getting some air time, especially following COVID and the impacts supply and demand have had on all our industries. Keep up the good work and I cannot wait for the next installment! 👍😀
As someone from West Virginia it’s sad To say that not too much has changed the rest of the country doesn’t really care about Little all West Virginia and honestly the people there are taken advantage of by medicine corporations now over prescribing painkillers for blue-collar workers
Thank you so much for making this a series, growing up hearing stories from the older folks in Logan County about this battle and what the miners went through always made me upset that it wasn't talked about in wider history. Thank you so much for changing that.
Always happy to see a new @ExtraCredits history video. My Grandfather was a coal miner in South Wales. He would often talk about the camaraderie of the men underground as they all shared the same risks. Like soldiers in war. He survived two mine explosions which haunted him for the rest of his life.
I love how the battle of Blair mountain is getting more attention recently. Stuff You missed In History Class reran their episode on the battle not long ago. If you want more info and context, you can check that out
They say in Harlan County There are no neutrals there. You'll either be a union man Or a thug for J. H. Blair. Which side are you on boys? Which side are you on? Which side are you on boys? Which side are you on?
I actually have ancestry with people who fought during the coal wars, and im very happy that their stories are coming to the ears of thousands and maybe millions. Long live the American worker!
Well they usually have guest artists-- so it'll depend on the artist at the time. Per the name of the show you can check the credits. This time the art was done by Ali R Thome :)
"You load sixteen tons, what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go I owe my soul to the company store" Kind of puts this song into perspective, doesn't it?
I am from an area in Pennsylvania that had coal mining issues. Where I lived the Molly McGuires were highly active. I am not surprised it came to this in this area.
If you're interested in learning more about coal mine labor unions and union busting, check out the Long Strike of 1875. From the violence of the times, the legend of the Molly Maguires in the NE PA coal region was born.
Both of my Grandfathers on both sides of my family were UMWA Coal Miners in W Kentucky/S Illinois since the 1920’s. Much of our local culture is based off our history in the Mines. The worst Coal Mine accident in our area happened on Xmas Eve of 1951 that killed 120 people at Orient #2 in West Frankfort. You should look up the Herrin Massacre of 1922, it’s one of the bloodiest days of the Coal Wars that many people don’t know.
You all should do a video series about the Congress of Vienna. It has everything your audience loves: history, political intrigues, war, battles, promiscuities, and etc. :D
Isn't it pronounced "MAT-uh-wan" like Padawan? I've heard southerners talk about this before, but I've never heard it said that way. 🤔 But also THANK YOU for getting word about this incredibly crucial part of American history out there. Solidarity forever!
omg I'm so glad y'all are covering this. the coal wars are the second biggest armed uprising in the US but was never really mentioned in school for me.
What a grim story. It reminds me of what happens here in Brazil in Sugar plantations, and yes, it still happens. The same strategies to make workers basically slaves (make them "rent" equipment, and retaining their documents and what not...) Corporate greed never changes.
I'm really interested in this topic have first heard about it in one of Alternative History Hub's videos where he discussed the lore of the World of Kaiserreich, and how this event played a role in the 2nd American Civil war breaking out. From this first episode, I can totally see how that happened considering both how much power these companies had, how much they were willing to express that as I can't wrap my head around them getting away with such blatant intimidation tactics without the state or federal government stepping in.
it's because state and federal government worked for the companies, it was the national guard that ended up carrying out a lot of killings and army planes that dropped army bombs and army poison gas on the camps.
Who sits with the president, with the Heads of Defense and National Security? With the financial administrators? It's not the miners, but those who enslaved them. And it's them that the government listens to.
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@@krieger8825 as an Asian if you say that in public I reckon it won't end well
Which side are you on?
Bold decision to sponsor this very pro-union episode with a company that has a recent track record of Union-busting.
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One should remember that the Battle of Blair Mountain was only one of several armed conflicts to break out around this time in the American coal mining industry. Less than a decade earlier, the very similar Ludlow Coal War had been fought in Colorado, ending in the Ludlow Massacre in which private detectives tore through the miner's camps, setting tents on fire and machine gunning fleeing miners and their families, ending in some 200 casualties.
This period is called the Coal Wars for a reason.
And this is the economy you people do your best to preserve?
@@SantomPh the people with the power do their best to preserve it, while trying to convince everyone that it's in all their best interest that a few exploit the many to get "bribe everyone from the sheriff to the governor"-levels of wealthy. The people at the bottom are too busy working just to be alive. The workers can be very aware that they are being exploited, but this system perpetuates because it's very very good at disempowering it's underclass.
@@SantomPh as an American I hate it
@@SantomPh Pretty sure men in high places no longer bribe local officers to commit massacres.
One of the most important and least talked about parts of modern American history, props for doing this one
We will see more of it these coming years.
Sadly, it’s not a coincidence. Quite a few people would rather have knowledge of the US labor movement be largely unknown to the public. Wouldn’t want them to learn unions bled for American rights.
Yeah, the history of labor in the US is incredibly violent and has had an enormous impact on everyone's life yet it is covered very little. I wonder why 🤔
And don't ever forget big money liked it better that way
500th like, I read up on this in India but getting a series on it? Yes Please!
A Miner stood at the golden gate,
His head was bent and low.
He meekly asked the man of fate,
The way that he should go.
'What have you done' St. Peter said
'To gain admission here?'
'I merely mined for coal' he said,
'for many and many a year.'
St. Peter opened up the gate,
And softly tolled the bell.
'Come and choose your harp' he said
'You've had your share of hell.'
Rhys Prince.
Okay, I know this isn't what I'm SUPPOSED to hear, but I read that to the tune of "Which Side Are You On" and it fit surprisingly well.
I'm gonna have to repost this as much as possible
That made me tear up
This is one of the best poems I've read, period. Thank you for posting it - and its writer - here!
He can’t go to Peter. He sold his soul to the company store
I live about an hour from Blair Mountain and this is something I never see talked about enough, but outside of unions and anarchist circles it never gets brought up because it shows Americas apathy for it’s citizenry.
It shows quite the opposite. Despite following the tail end of the Gilded Age, local officials tried their best to protect local workers as a bastion against corporate greed.
I'm not American, but knowing Americans can't even go to the hospital without going bankrupt hurts me. It really shouldn't be like this when social democracies or basic human decency clearly works. What does Scandinavia or Germany have that the US doesn't? US citizens would want for nothing under a social democracy. The only ones who would complain would be the richest of the rich (as their companies would have to raise the minimum wage), whose opinion on government and humanity doesn't align with anyone's interests anyways.
How extreme is it to ask for the possibility to go to the hospital or raise the minimum wage? As a Norwegian, it seems completely insane to me to not have a livable wage or be able to visit the hospital if hurt. It doesn't even mean you'll have to pay more taxes (although you will if you get richer) or give away your rights of gun ownership. What it means is that the government and companies give what they OWE to their citizens and workers. If they can afford leisure trips to space then they can easily afford to give back to Americans.
If only it spread to all the USA you could had a revolution and overthrow the capitalist system and formed a better world
@@schemaricvg4221 Yeah... no.
@@schemaricvg4221 At most a handful of local officials out of hundreds, if not thousands, of government officials at the local, state, and federal level who'd willingly taken blood money to look the other way. That's not the government stepping in, that's the *community* stepping in to protect itself from the machinations of Capitalism.
Well this hits close to home considering the potential railroad strike going on right now.
If the railroaders go on strike because of working conditions, the supply chain is screwed
Yes 👍👍
@@crocowithaglocko5876 Well, damn they must be really important, and the rail companies should recognize their value as workers then.
@@extrahistory It was Walpole!
Wasn’t till I worked at Walmart I realized how scared large corporations are scared of united workers. During orientation watched a 30 minute video on the company and store policy. Next was a 90 damn minute video on the “dangers” of unions. They really wanted to drive home how much they hated unions.
They know workers are a force to be reckoned with when standing united. So they do everything to divide and conquer.
Unfortunately national unions now are more worried about keeping workers inline with HR policies than improving worker conditions and keeping more of the value of their labor
@@JohnnyLodge2 The same here in Brazil, were the unions are more interested in supporting the "Workers Party" (PT, the one involved in LITERALLY ALL the corruption schemes we know of), instead of trying to improve workers lives.
Just because the unions' bosses (not workers' leaders, more like mob bosses, for real) never gained so much money than during PT's government. Not money for the unions' fundings, money for bosses' pockets directly.
@@carloshenriquezimmer7543 in america I think we arent so corrupt, yet. But nobody keeps workers in line like union leaders these days. We have ever decreasing union membership and the new ones that pop up like alphabet union would rather ensure that the boss be able to fire you for saying bad words than advance workers rights
@@JohnnyLodge2 Fake unions are everywhere now-friend of mine works at a telecom and the union there has been created by management so that they can prevent an actual union from organizing.
Fun Fact: During the battle, anti-union forces used commercial planes to drop bombs - both explosives and chemical weapons - on the miners. None of the anti-union forces went to jail.
every single aircraft bombing that has taken place on American soil was perpetrated against either minorities or workers.
They did something similar in the Tulsa Massacre. Bro these American skirmishes be wilding bro lol
How is this fun?
@@lionorfieldgules3740 In the very morbid sense, where your only options are to laugh or cry.
@@malachiphoniex8501 The bombing by the US police during the Tulsa race massacre was actually the first aerial bombing on US soil, and that at Blair Mountain the second.
It’s nice to see that other states and people are learning about West Virginia more and more honestly who could have forgotten Blair’s Mountain honestly nothing makes a West Virginian more happy then other people talk about West Virginia
Growing up in a pa coal town i feel the same way. Do you guys learn about the molly maguires down there? cause i've heard of this before although we didn't cover it in much detail.
Mountain mamaaaaaa
I can't agree more I'm glad to see them talking about this historic event and I'm excited to see this how they handle the rest of this series
I'm not from WV, but my family is. One thing that always surprises me is how many people there are anti-union despite their history. It's like they've forgotten their history, which I'm sure is the case for many. Most victories of the labor movement have been suppressed so much that labor day is just a day off for most people and nothing more.
i bet this guys from Georgia
Excited for the rest of this series. Labor history is an area that most people don't learn all that much about in this country.
It's something that isn't taught Intentionally.
Labor history is suppressed.
Really? The average Joe isn't taught about how effective it is for him and his fellow laborers to band together to fight power with numbers? Who could have imagined such a scenario?!
@@mylesbarrett2031 thanks to the 6+ ( and more than one employer's 🇺🇸 have tried that one me 😐 😡 ) mouth's-strait of going to work ( 19+yo yes i shamefully payed to go to work at place's i would've volunteered for aka not my hobbies in anyform, besides which i at the time and nowadays can't really afford to do that stuff/stupidly as USA 🇺🇸 and uk 🇬🇧 are capitalism society's ect, in someways it would be nice to live in a startrek-world that i could be my hobbies/orish-self but productive members of commonwealth ) and not getting anything aka pay ( for a larger corporation doing hard labour like line-work/manufacturing/palletising-ect ) and my history teachers/techsbooks ( glossed mostly over it, but some did what to warn us about historical-mistakes and to avoid being forced into the same, but government/more-powerful forced them to mostly glossary over-it ) and former coworkers-simi-union-but-unhappy-with-it and the internet i could see the/into past and to original intentions/goals, helping me change my mind
one of the boomer's/anti-labour's and former-coworker-simi was corruption and the lack of trust/trying for average payer into the system and taxpayers paying and or not getting the full version/community's-benefit and in some notating-talk's/table's benefitted the union's president and CEO not worker's which isn't how workers reinvestment works correctly aka bad-union+bad corporation/1%er, plus the factory's-management pr.department being hard core anti collective bargaining rights ( in any format so being single and voicing for safety concerns could get you fired or write-up not just classic-picking-union-activity's, but saying anything about that even in a historical event context really fired them up, like the shirtwaist fire 1890~1940~ let alone modern-activity ) and union-steward's, that videos are a self selling experience/point to me that there's something on the other side of the table than self-hate/ voters against their natural interests or better working rights and fair-pay/living-conditions/lifestyle's
one plant i was in wouldn't be bothered to fix ( tried to hide it from local government officials and osha ect ) a piece of equipment known for smacking/crushing worker's and a clear volition of osha-law's, yes i got hit in my hip's/stummic more than once and i told the superintendent/supervisors/maintenance to please fix it before a baby+mother got hurt on the packing/manufacturing-line and the baby is born with birth-defects/die's-still-born, or does more damage/disable's to me
Stop lying
This explains a lot of the lore I've seen in Fallout 76, a large chunk of which takes place around Blair Mountain. One song played on the in-game radio in particular comes to mind, Sixteen Tons, which contains the following lyrics:
You load 16 tons, what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt
St. Peter, don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store
Yea fallout has a lot of anti capitalist messaging. They never shy away from crapping on corporations or tacitly supporting workers rights.
16 tons is my favorite coal miner song (and honestly labor song period)
Listen to which side are you on if you are looking for another similar song
The great bass singer Tennessee Ernie Ford. I wondered if someone would think about that song.
If you liked that, then you might like Process Man; it's about chemical workers, but much the same.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! Thank you for covering company towns! Ever since Hardspace Shipbreaker came out I've wanted extra credits to cover this horrible topic. Growing up in Pennsylvania where the coal mining and steel industry were huge we were taught all about this topic, bur sadly most of the rest of the US, much less the world, know not just the hopelessness of the people, but the horrors and how very very recent this all is.
Sounds very similar to the situation in cities like Sudbury, where a lot of northern mining towns were basically in constant debt to the mining companies to supply the cities' wellbeing >.< To the point where city mayors basically had to go beg to the companies for handouts every year because the city itself could not afford to upkeep roads, etc.
PA has a great labor element to its history curriculum, at lest back when I was in school. Hell, we learned about the Knights of Labor, even! The Molly Maguires, too, though maybe that's b/c I'm from east PA
@extra-credits if you want to recommend supplementary material on this, October Sky features a coal mining town prominently
yeah, i think Hardspace: Shipbreaker would make for a great Extra Credits episode.
They say in Harlan county there are no neutrals there, you’d either be a union man or a thug of J.H. Blair
I've been waiting for this one. One of the most important events in US history and a strong reminder that working rights were fought at the cost of blood. Continue the fight. Continue the struggle.
I just hope the last episode of this series ends with a hearty "Solidarity when? Solidarity forever!"
The Union forever. Down with the traitors, up with the stars
@@ethanmcfarland8240 BLEED FOR REED!
Which side are you on, boys? Which side are you on!?
@@ethanmcfarland8240 there’s actually a union song version of that one. It’s called Solidarity Forever
@@Chriscraft-ug3sz different song actually. Ethan is referencing the Battle Cry of Freedom while Solidarity Forever is the labor version of The Battle Hymn of the Republic
Ready for some based workers rights ✊
Heck yes we are!
As a native West Virginian, I am super surprised and happy that you guys are going into this subject. I look forward to the next episode!!
Southern WV native here. Coming from a family where every single male member of our extended family (myself and my youngest brother excluded) work in or for the mines, I can't state how excited I am to see this story finally start getting some more recognition. Growing up in a coal camp, learning about Blair Mountain and worker's rights started as soon as we could understand. I can still remember being a teensy little tyke at my gramma's for one of our big family Christmases, and my uncle sitting in a rocking chair and tell us youngins' the story.
Also, while other areas may pronounce it like you did in this episode, most of West Virginia says "Apple-at-cha." An easy way to remember is: If you say "Apple-lay-sha", I'll throw an "apple-at-cha!" 😉
Not just WV, either!
where i'm from we tend to pronounce it similarly, just more of an apple-a'cha than apple-aT-cha. funniest pronounciation i ever heard is is "appall-aych-ia", i think i heard that one in either dc or new england.
Keep this story alive, please. According to Charles B. Keeney, the battlefields are in risk of dissapearing, due to mining companies, the west virginian and federal politicians. Cheers.
A battle field for Union workers against greedy mining executives and bribable politicians is in danger because of greedy mining executives and bribable politicians?
"Do you have a warrant for these evictions?"
*My smoothbore flintlock:*
Dude, this happened in the 1920's. They had machine guns in this battle. 😂
The Army Revolver in question:
My parents and grandparents were labor union activists. I spent 40 years working in construction, mining and water treatment as a labor union activist. My daughter graduated from university and is now the elected leader of the largest labor union coalition in Washington state. Advocacy for the poor and working classes runs in my family. I grew up on stories about strikes and the hatred of the wealthy towards workers.
An injury to one is an injury to all!
Thank you.
"You load 16 tons and what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt."
4:13 this also happened in Chile with the saltpeter mines in the late 19 and early 20 centuries. Down right to the mining company owned grocery store. Most infamously, the Chilean army massacred at least 195 people (some accounts put the number at 300, but accuracy is hard to come by due to government cover ups at the time) during protests in 1907
Gruesome; but sadly to say that's just par for the course.
Really hope they can some day cover the matanza en la escuela de Santa María
And yeah the whole episode really reminded me of it even that detail about the workers putting class over ethnicity like when here in chile there were striking miners from peru and bolivia and when the embassadors came and told their country man that the chilean army was going to clear the school with gunpowder the Bolivian and Peruvian miners said (according to various sources) with the chileans we work with the Chileans we stand and with the chilean we'ld die
This just shows how nothing has changed. Hopefully one day we can all come together and fight against these things.
As an Appalachian who lives in a coal mining area, the battle of Blair Mountain is a part of my heritage that not too many people know, so thanks for bringing light to it. And for the love of all that’s holy, it’s pronounced “APPLE-AT-CHA”.
Depends on which part of Appalachia you're from
Thank you (Eli)!! I was just saying the same thing!!! (Still excited to see the rest of the series though.)
WV native here, I always tell folks the best way to remember it is "If you say apple-lay-sha, I'll throw an apple-at-cha." 🤣
The pronunciation really depends on your community. I grew up in northern WV and both pronunciations were common.
I spell it APPLE-AYE-CHA
Martyr Made just put out a 5hr special on the battle for Blair Mountain and the American labor wars if anyone wants more depth. Absolutely fantastic series he's done so far.
So glad you're covering the Battle of Blair Mountain! I remember reading coal miner's poetry about it for American Lit and thinking, "how have I never heard about this before?"
have you ever heard of may day? or the ludlow massacre? it's because labor history is intentionally suppressed. hell "labor day" was made just to replace may day and make people forget about the haymarket affair it had come to commemorate.
@@EvelynNdenial Indeed, I hope the next series is on the Haymarket Affair.
As a West Virginian (living in Ohio now, but still a mountaineer at heart) and a union man, I love that you chose to cover this topic.
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Damn Extra Credits back with another banger. Hope we get more information about the Battle of Blair Mountain. Definitely an underrated aspect of American History
Hell yeah, we're finally getting some American labor history!
I never thought you would talk about Blair Mountain, and yet here we are. It is nice to know more about it and it being presented.
Was waiting to see EC produce a episode on this. It's one of those stories that still has people feeling strongly about it.
I am a Logan county native and even though the art style of this video and it’s narration is somewhat light hearted, you sir have brought me to tears. Thank you for telling this story. I am very eager to see the next episode.
This should be required teaching in every American secondary school. Thank you for the very informative lesson!
It, as well as most other labor history, is intentionally not taught in school.
Before or after “Basic Economics”?
@@wanderingthewastes6159 what
@@SpoopySquid “Basic Economics: A Citizen’s Guide to the Economy” by Doctor Thomas Sowell.
I hope they talk about bloody Harlan next because I think both need to be talked about more often.
They really really should
... shall we start the song? ;)
@@TheTrueAdept "They say in Harlan County, there are no neutrals there"
@@voland6846 "You'll either be a union man or a thug for JH Blair!"
@@TheTrueAdept I assumed "the song" was _Which Side Are You On?_ But it could also have been _You'll Never Leave Harlan Alive_
This is eerily well-timed with the impending strike of all the railroads lol Extra Credits more like Extra...PREMONITION!
...nailed it
Zoe's a psychic I always knew it! No wonder she has level 100 lockpicking!
Totally planned.....
@@extrahistory most definitely.
Was a West Virginian and one of the biggest fans of history in the state I am very happy to see you guys covering one of the few major events in its history
I absolutely love the new style in the backgrounds of the videos and thumbnails it really brings together the world of the story you are telling!
Grandpa remembered hearing about this first hand when he was a kid in the 1920s. His family were miners, and he dropped out of high school when his father died in a mining accident, becoming the breadwinner of the family.
I’m so hyped that you guys are doing more labor history videos!!! You guys should talk about hay market square and the history of the IWW.
Seconded. I'd LOVE to hear the history of the Wobblies.
While I am elated about the topic, I have to say it's a bit ironic, considering that HelloFresh is facing another court battle about unionization
While we're on the subject, starbucks and amazon have been employing the pinkertons (which still fucking exist btw) to try and bust unions
Union member here. Solidarity my fellow workers!!
Mercedes Lackey's book "Jolene" is set in a company town in Tennessee, and there is No sugarcoating just how bad it was, even if the protagonist never goes in the mine herself. Coal dust choking everything, from plants to people, is a constant running element throughout.
It’s truly amazing to me to see EC doing a video on the Battle of Blair Mountain or anything on West Virginia in general.
So glad you guys are covering coal mining history. It is so underappreciated, which is frustrating as it played such a huge role in the development and growth of the US and Canada. As a coal historian from Alberta Canada, I am thrilled to see this topic finally getting some air time, especially following COVID and the impacts supply and demand have had on all our industries. Keep up the good work and I cannot wait for the next installment! 👍😀
As someone from West Virginia it’s sad To say that not too much has changed the rest of the country doesn’t really care about Little all West Virginia and honestly the people there are taken advantage of by medicine corporations now over prescribing painkillers for blue-collar workers
Thank you so much for making this a series, growing up hearing stories from the older folks in Logan County about this battle and what the miners went through always made me upset that it wasn't talked about in wider history. Thank you so much for changing that.
This should be talked about more in American histories.
Always happy to see a new @ExtraCredits history video. My Grandfather was a coal miner in South Wales. He would often talk about the camaraderie of the men underground as they all shared the same risks. Like soldiers in war. He survived two mine explosions which haunted him for the rest of his life.
I love how the battle of Blair mountain is getting more attention recently.
Stuff You missed In History Class reran their episode on the battle not long ago. If you want more info and context, you can check that out
They say in Harlan County
There are no neutrals there.
You'll either be a union man
Or a thug for J. H. Blair.
Which side are you on boys?
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on boys?
Which side are you on?
Oh workers can you stand it ?
Oh tell me if you can?
Will you be a lousy scab
Or will you be a man?
@@CanhistoryismylifeWhich side are you on?
Which side are you on?
This is the kind of stuff they need to teach in schools
I actually have ancestry with people who fought during the coal wars, and im very happy that their stories are coming to the ears of thousands and maybe millions. Long live the American worker!
This is making me want to see a series on the Hatfield Mccoy feud.
I’ve been following you guys since 2017, and I just want to say, you’re one of my favorite History channels on TH-cam!
I swear the art is getting better every episode! Take my like
Well they usually have guest artists-- so it'll depend on the artist at the time. Per the name of the show you can check the credits. This time the art was done by Ali R Thome :)
From Mingo County here (Varney WV) , so happy to see this largely forgotten history getting talked about
I've actually never heard about this. Thank you for teaching me something entirely new today.
There's a lot more. Look up the Haymarket Affair next.
Just from the subject matter I can tell this is gonna be an all timer. glad more people are learning about this
Come all of you good workers, good news to you I'll tell,
Extra credits released another amazing series
The situation of the mines is incredibly similar to the situation of the haciendas in Mexico during the Porfiriato with the tiendas de raya.
"You load sixteen tons, what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store"
Kind of puts this song into perspective, doesn't it?
I am from an area in Pennsylvania that had coal mining issues. Where I lived the Molly McGuires were highly active. I am not surprised it came to this in this area.
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If you're interested in learning more about coal mine labor unions and union busting, check out the Long Strike of 1875. From the violence of the times, the legend of the Molly Maguires in the NE PA coal region was born.
I'm so glad you're covering this! Union/labor history is super interesting and increasingly more relevant now.
A new extra credits series! Also it was Walpole all along
Both of my Grandfathers on both sides of my family were UMWA Coal Miners in W Kentucky/S Illinois since the 1920’s. Much of our local culture is based off our history in the Mines. The worst Coal Mine accident in our area happened on Xmas Eve of 1951 that killed 120 people at Orient #2 in West Frankfort. You should look up the Herrin Massacre of 1922, it’s one of the bloodiest days of the Coal Wars that many people don’t know.
"He was more than a hero. He was a union man."
This is one of my favorite channels talking about my favorite historical topic!
Ah yes, the Interwar Peroid once again blesses us with another forgotten event. Why this period is forgotten no one will ever know.
Appalachia is a tragedy we arent really taught about, good to see a series about the area
Reminds me of when the Philadelphian police force dropped a bomb on the MOVE movement during a standoff
You all should do a video series about the Congress of Vienna. It has everything your audience loves: history, political intrigues, war, battles, promiscuities, and etc. :D
I just got finished listening to “Which Side Are You On?” By Pete Seeger
DUDE THIS IS SO COOL I live super close to where this happened, so many people don't know about it, thanks so much for doing an episode on this!
"hey can we get payed"
"NO!!!"
💣💥🔥☠
Read my mind, I was just thinking out how y’all should do an episode on this
Too bad half our country is like "please bulldoze my trailer and build a highway, I love it"
OMG THANK YOU! My State and family history finally getting a spotlight!
Unfortunately and Ironically Hello Fresh, the sponsor for this video, as been accused of Union busting in California
That's just how the mafia works.
Good to see some one talking about Blair Mountain.
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Isn't it pronounced "MAT-uh-wan" like Padawan? I've heard southerners talk about this before, but I've never heard it said that way. 🤔
But also THANK YOU for getting word about this incredibly crucial part of American history out there. Solidarity forever!
I was wondering that myself, but I've heard it pronounced both ways, even by folks from the area.
It's Mate wan. Give it a nice twang and you've got it right.
Dang it! I was trying to change that Wan to won (like the Japanese money) and it posted.
omg I'm so glad y'all are covering this. the coal wars are the second biggest armed uprising in the US but was never really mentioned in school for me.
we have nothing to lose but our chains. No war but class war.
Thank you for covering this. Even if it doesn’t end up getting the most views, it’s still an important story to tell!
What a grim story. It reminds me of what happens here in Brazil in Sugar plantations, and yes, it still happens. The same strategies to make workers basically slaves (make them "rent" equipment, and retaining their documents and what not...)
Corporate greed never changes.
The martyrs of blair mountain live forever in our hearts.
"This educational video kills fascists" - Woody Guthrie probably
Im from West Virginia God bless all the coal miners thank yall for sharing a little bit of West Virginia history
Didn't hellofresh do some union busting a few months ago
So excited to see my home area featured, I sold my soul to the company store.
time to start listening to “which side are you on”
Stuff like this is exactly why this is the only channel on TH-cam that I have notifications turned on.
Nerve forget how far the government will go to ensure profits
It's nice to see more content on the efforts of unionizing and the horrors corporations were and are willing to do in order to protect their profits
I'm really interested in this topic have first heard about it in one of Alternative History Hub's videos where he discussed the lore of the World of Kaiserreich, and how this event played a role in the 2nd American Civil war breaking out.
From this first episode, I can totally see how that happened considering both how much power these companies had, how much they were willing to express that as I can't wrap my head around them getting away with such blatant intimidation tactics without the state or federal government stepping in.
it's because state and federal government worked for the companies, it was the national guard that ended up carrying out a lot of killings and army planes that dropped army bombs and army poison gas on the camps.
Who sits with the president, with the Heads of Defense and National Security? With the financial administrators?
It's not the miners, but those who enslaved them. And it's them that the government listens to.
I'm so glad extra credits is covering this, I am fascinated by it
We agitating for unions here? Let's see some AGITATING!
I am so glad you guys are doing Blair mountain. I put it in a paper I wrote about unions and have been wanting to learn more about it, so thank you
I like how the rich dude is covered in coal as if he’s mining himself or bathing in it😂
This is literally my favorite segment of American history. Thank you, and it was a great introduction to your channel!