Theory: Cortana wasn't lying to the Chief. She WAS lying to Foehammer, though. My theory for why is that Foehammer might not react well to learning that Chief purposely destabilized the engines, dooming the entire surviving human resistance on the ring. If it's played off like an accident, Foehammer's conscious will be clear and she can focus on just rescuing Chief, without the knowledge that he's killing hundreds. Keep in mind, the only people who know the horrific implications of a Flood outbreak at this point are Chief and Cortana. Foehammer probably wouldn't understand and there wouldn't be time to explain. All moot anyway, though. She dies. Alas.
There probably werent hundreds of people left, the flood more than likely consumed most marines aside from the ODSTs and marines on the truth and reconciliation, the ODSTs of fireteam raven and others who helped chief reach the autumn and also the few survivors chief encountered on a pelican after the ring blew up. Other than that there likely werent many more survivors left on the ring
@@Espartanica i mean we dont know that for a fact, sure there could have been survivors in small groups but there were also a lot of infected marines. The autumn has a crew capacity of around 1200 if i remember correctly so there definetily werent hundreds left by the time the maw took place judging by the amount of infected marines in just the areas where chief goes
@@falloutgamer347 We do know that for a fact. There's literally a book about the events of the first game that explains it. You speak as if you're completely certain but seemingly haven't actually read into it.
@@Espartanica i have read the flood, i suppose it could be that its been awhile and i just dont remember it correctly then which is possible. Im not 100% certain and i was trying to speculate and have read into it but its been atleast 5 years since i last read the book. Im willing to accept that im in the wrong then, really gotta read some of those older books again to refresh on the lore, apologies
I always assumed the ‘more damage than we thought’ line referred to the fact that cortana believed they had more time to escape; the damage sustained during the crash accelerated that beyond which she predicted.
Useless? Nothing is Useless! This is Halo! All the facts and lore are important, no matter what! Edit: As for the Maw Cortana did warn everyone. They tried to take the Truth and Reconciliation but it was destroyed by the ODST Major to not let the Flood get to Earth, it's in the book Halo: The Flood. And Fireteam Raven has the namesake fireteam help Chief get to the Autumn to destroy it. Also Headlong is from Halo 2, not CE.
Yeah that's what I was thinking, half of this information is actually kind of interesting, I would only describe things like soda flavors and drunk officers that apparently served on the pillar of autumn as "useless information" not the stuff about the Arbiter's time in the Covenant admiralty.
Small correction: Major Silva didn't blow up the ship, in fact he was preparing to take a live flood form back to Earth. It was Lieutenant McKay who blew up the ship, knowing how dangerous the flood really were.
@@ClonedGamer001 Wasn't it due to a formerly flood infested Marine who was stuck literally making Flood Noises that tipped the guy off because he could sense the flood in the ship, even though he wasn't controlled by them anymore?
For Cortana and the Maw, I don't think it was anything nefarious. The self-destruct sequence would have been a controlled event, which allowed her to set the time to allow for a "comfortable" escape. But when that was no longer an option, they resorted to forcibly destroying parts of the engine core, which *would* have still allowed for time to evacuate, except "the engines must have sustained more damage than we thought" (she doesn't specify whether it was Master Chief's actions or the crash that caused the "extra" damage, so it could be either), which threw off her calculations. Sure, Cortana *could* have been planning something deeper (certainly wouldn't be out of character for Bungie to do that), but I think the simple explanation fits well enough....
I was about to say this. She was assuming it was a controlled meltdown that had a predictable time. The battle at Reach and subsequent crash could have done unpredictable damage that she wasn't aware of or able to predict. My head-cannon was that she was referring to the crash, not the Chief blowing it up.
I always took this as "the ship is blowing up faster because it was previously damaged more than I thought it was, so hurry up Foehammer" but I also like the theory
I wouldn’t be surprised if she low-key wanted to kill EVERYONE on the ring thanks to the flood and possible infections/contaminations. Especially since Chief’s suit almost got compromised by an infection form.
the reason why cortana was lying to foehammer was because her and chief blowing up the pillar of autumn was not an officially sanctioned act. if you read the books Major Silva had taken command of the UNSC forces left on the ring once it was known cpt Keyes was dead, and he wasn't very fond of the Master Chief. much of chiefs actions in the later parts of the game were off the books and either done without permission or without checking in first. So, Cortana lying to Foehammer was likely less a desire to deceive her, and more due to it just being easier to create a convenient lie to explain the ship suddenly going critical then it was to openly admit "hay yah, we're blowing up the ship."
See also when she gives her calculations on their escape she notes they can "sufficiently destabilize" the engines, and estimates around fifteen minutes for she and Chief to make their exit. But once she radios for evac, she goes on to say "We have a wildcat destabilization" (beyond sufficient apparently) and that "the engines must have sustained more damage than we thought." (Which would serve to explain it. This is followed immediately by her giving an updated exfil time of a good bit less than fifteen minutes. In short, it doesn't even need to be explained as a lie, Cortana was just wrong. I've always thought that was the case, as we see it multiple times through Combat Evolved (Keyes' location, the teleporter matrix, etc.) And just figured that being in this intense and demanding situation was taking its toll on her abilities just like everyone else involved.
Additionally, if I remember correctly the rest of the UNSC forces WERE trying to evacuate because they did have at least some idea of what was going down and that Chief and Cortana had a plan to destroy Halo. Most were just unable to, or in some cases, intentionally sabotaged escape to prevent the Flood from also escaping.
@@brjoey the unsc forces did know the plan to blow up the autumn but their pelican went down cause the Jenkins flood I think convinced one of the crew to crash it so the flood would perish
5:27 Maybe when Cortana was connected to the covenant's control room she found out Johnson knew *WHAT THE LADIES LIKE* so she tried to have him killed by abandoning him in the exploding ring (like in the legendary ending) However she failed... except in Halo 3 when she tried again and succeded by having Johnson killed while holding onto her *CONSPIRACY THEORY*
@@falloutgamer347 Yeah, I mean it makes sense to me at least. In Red vs. Blue, back during the Blood Gulch Chronicles, Tucker states that "Chicks dig tanks." Also, on an unrelated note to Halo, you've got the anime series Girls und Panzer which features girls going to school and learning to compete in tank warfare as a sport. Clearly this isn't an idea unique to Halo, or even machinima series made using Halo like Red vs. Blue at this point.
Halsey's on the ONI memorial because she was presumed dead on Reach. She, Johnson, and blue team had only been back on Earth for a few days, compared to the 2-3 months she was stuck on post-apocalypse reach. Nobody could pump out a memorial that fast especially with a suspected incoming invasion
Actually, Halsey's disappearance was set AFTER the events at Reach. Blue Team made their way back to Earth, we see them at the space elevator in Cuba. It's during the events of Halo 2/3 that they find Onyx and get trapped there. Ghosts of Onyx details this
Small correction about 12:58 We actually have seen gameplay on Installation 03 in the halo franchise (Just not in a mainline game of course) Installation 03 is where most of the plot of Halo Spartan Strike happens
I love the fact that Chief and Arbiter had a celebratory feast where Chief was like, “Oh yeah, these are my friends dude. We were all trained to be killing machines as kids. Yeah they’re pretty cool.”
I've always thought that Cortana blowing up the Pilar of Autumn wasn't actually communicated to anyone other than Chief likely as it goes against basic protocol for their missions. I mean, it was quite literally destroying a ship that could have been repaired. When she said "the engines must have sustained more damage than we thought" they were trying to push off the explosion as completely out of their control, as if the ship did it on its own. We also know in Halo 2 that there was a heavy coverup on what happened on the Halo even with higher ups in the UNSC. Miranda only guessed that the thing they say was a halo as the UNSC needed to explain her father's death but they wouldn't go much farther. She then demands that the ship's AI give her all information on the halos saying she doesn't give a damn about here clearance level. Even as the captain of the ship she had very little understanding of what that halo was so whatever happened on the halo seemed to have been hidden from most. Besides, only a few people escaped the first halo so it wasn't hard to scrub the data and keep them from talking. Especially Chief who just does what he's told without doubt.
The ship couldn't have been repaired and they DID announce to the human forces way in advance that they intended to destroy it and the ring. You're going pretty in depth here, considering it seems you haven't looked into the Canon events of the battle of 04. The Flood was attempting to repair the ship on their own and were flocking to it in droves as seen in the epilogue, and the cover-up was moreso to hide knowledge of the Flood and how powerful it was.
Johnson himself says "Sorry Guns, Classified" in response to the Master Gunnery Sargent asking how he got off the ring in one piece. The events of that were in Halo First Strike.
@@Espartanica but as we know, only a small portion of those from the Halo survived the ring being destroyed and of those we have no idea how. Likely due to the classified nature it could be suggested they used the same teleportation network Chief used to get back on the truth and reconciliation. Nothing has suggested the network is limited to places on the ring so it could have transfer them to another place in the system or even possibly another Forerunner facility. We also have mixed answers to how much the general public knows of the events in game. We do know that in general people don't seem very knowledgeable on the forerunners nor the flood outside of the chief, his close confidants, and Oni as a whole. There have been some quotes in the books though that suggest that humans are taught about the forerunners and flood in school in 2548, though not sure how canonical that is.
@@Skylancer727 So you haven't read the books? Where it was explained that a decent number of survivors got onto the Truth and Reconciliation? Where it was explained that those few survivors fled on a Pelican? Where Foehammer and the surviving UNSC forces were made aware of the plan? You've gone on a big rant to argue against my side, but all the while again making it clear you haven't looked into the subject very well. The Fall of Reach, The Flood, and First Strike trilogy covers the Chief's life up until Halo 1, the events of Halo 1, and then the events between Halo 1 and Halo 2. In particular, look into the latter two for their relevance.
When it comes to the Dawn, my biggest question is still how Arbiter made it to Earth when the bridge didn't make it through the portal. It's not like Halo 4 created a plot hole, it's clearly visible on Chief's half of the ship in Halo 3.
... huh. Was gonna say that there was a possibility that the arbiter was using a back up control centre, as is normal on most modern warships, but honestly do not recall if the UNSC Paris class frigates from halo 3 have them! And that, if I recall, the bridge that arby appears to have windows anyway!
Because it was the back half of the ship that didn't make it. The front half made it through before it collapsed, and this was planned by Mendicant Bias. If the Bridge was kept on the half with Chief, it's not a plot hole, just a simple mistake from Bungie.
Most military ships have more than 1 bridge so that if the main one gets destroyed the ship can still function. So Arbiter possibly went to another one.
@@jimmydesouza4375 This actually makes sense, as well. The Bridge is at the very top of the ship, and the hanger is at the bottom. Arbiter probably figured he wouldn't have time to make it to the main bridge, so he when to the closest one, which happened to be farther forward on the Ship.
For the back doors, the production group the Forward Unto Dawn is part of was the last one that came out of the shipyards, so i think it is fair to assume that by that point they were cutting every corner possible to get ships into the fight and considering those ships were only intended to defend Earth by that point, not installing the cargo hangar doors is a thing that would have been sacrificed.
@@deifiedtitan considering they were on an all-out assault with literally everything they had my running theory for that is that that tank broke down and was basically shoved into a corner while the rest of the crew got into the fight/transferred to the shadow of intent.
Simple answer on the open bay, as someone who's got some different, but related, ship experience. Usually all equipment is stowed under (or maybe in this case above) or "behind" (relatively, it's actually almost always closer to the fore end of the ship in question) the open section of the bay. There are quite a few reasons for doing this, but most notably that I remember is to save on moving parts that could easily fail and interfere with offloads or launches. And as we see in game elevators typically are used for these loads and offloads. Never seen it done the way it is on Dawn, but most launch/loading facilities I've seen and operated in weren't in the belly of a spaceship in flight, so...
Same conclusion reached by me: the vehicles are stashed in a upper level, and the elevator serves multiple levels. So the open door area normally is not available because the platform is raised.
My theory why cortana didn’t tell Foehammer they were the ones that damaged the reactor was to avoid having to awkwardly tell her WHY they sabotaged the ship. Like it’d be a long wild story there was no time.
The remaining human forces already knew of the plan to detonate the Autumn's reactor, but up until that time, it was (reasonably) assumed that Cortana would use the Captain's codes to set an intentional detonation timer. After Spark shut down that method, Cortana was more focused on the method of detonation than telling the rest of the survivors that the plan had to change, and thus didn't have time to explain while calculating the wildcat destabilization timer (note, she is currently 'slowed' by having an actually insane amount of forerunner data currently stored). By then, the other humans were attempting to take control of the still-damaged Truth and Reconciliation for their escape attempt, and weren't in direct contact for any of this (Also, Major Silva has a special hate for chief, beyond just the ODST/Spartan animosity, and made no attempts to hide it).
About the frigates open vehicle bay. If you look at the design of it you'll see that the open bay is the lowest part of the ship and is connected to the rest with a slope or ramp. I always assumed that all vehicles and equipment would be stored further up in the ship and the unsealed bay would only be used as a staging area. Everything needed to be deployed would be lowered down the ramp with an elevator or winch to the staging area and then be deployed. Hence only the area between the bay and the rest of the ship would need to be sealed. Trying to properly seal the three lifts and the huge opening from the extremes of space travel would be extremely difficult without some type of force field. So having it unsealed and putting a motor pool/storage elsewhere was the next best thing.
So in the book "The Fall of Reach", Dr. Halsey explains that Cortana's main directive was to complete the missions given even if it meant sacrificing herself or Master Chief to do so. So when they were detonating the Pillar of Autumn, her only concern was making sure the detonation happened to prevent the flood from escaping and at the time they didnt know anyone survived.
i assume hitch hikers maybe escaped convicts was more a direct reference to the flood chasing chief during the end. as they are escaped from cold storage and are trying to hitchhike with chief
Cold Storage was a map from a different ring entirely. It's a reference to the Flood trying to use the Autumn to escape the ring and get back to Earth, and the fact the player can't stop along the road for anything as they have to escape
@@falloutgamer347 but it wouldn't match with the retro background if it was looking like it was a gif just slapped over without special editing or custom animation
One of my favorite useless lore, is that the prophets (Shanshyuum) in the forerunner saga were a canonically extremely attractive and “intimate” species that were genetically punished (I forgot why) by the forerunners into what they look like now
This is my rationale for the cargo bay door issue. Forward Unto Dawn being a ship of the 26th century would undoubtedly have had a decently compartmentalized computer system to protect it from cyberattacks and such. Keep in mind that that was the first time Cortana had ever been aboard Forward Unto Dawn, so she wouldn’t have been integrated with its computer systems meaning she would have to overcome any system protections to gain control of anything on the ship. Thus, this would have prevented Cortana, who wasn’t in the best condition at the time they escaped, from accessing the doors in time before they left the ring’s atmosphere. This combined with the more important task of taking control of the engines, getting underway, and clear from the Halo ring that was about to explode would explain why she didn’t bother with the doors. They would have taken too much time to override and close when they needed to cast off, only providing her with enough time to override the helm and navigation systems and get the ship underway. And by the time they were in space, there wasn’t a need to close them anymore and she left them open, probably to watch the ring explode and provide a nice view. She did have a flare for the dramatic.
With the Dawn garage door thing, I figured the lore reason Cortana didnt close it was to try to flush as much cargo as possible to help the ship escape the gravitational pull of the ark as much as possible. The other levels having the same ship model's garage door open I chalked up to be a model oversight due to saving resources by using the same model.
with the cortana not closing the door on the ship, I always thought that she was trying to dump the loose cargo to lighten the weight on the ship to gain some speed.
I figured when she said "The engines must have sustained more damage than we thought," it was referring to you not having 15 minutes as she predicted but 6-7 minutes.
5:31 actually, in Halo The Flood, Cortana does inform the surviving UNSC led by Major Silva that they’re gonna blow up the ring. The others then take the Truth and Reconciliation successfully and would’ve gone home as well, but Silvia’s lieutenant realized that Silva didn’t care about actually saving humanity and was going to pilot a ship with numerous covenant and flood directly to earth in violation of the Cole Protocol, so she destroyed the ships reactor and killed everything on board it
I have a pretty good explanation for why the Charon-Class Light Frigates all have no "Garage Door" is because that's simply a loading bay that's not supposed to have anything in it during transit, as you could see with the cutscene at the end of "The Storm" that elevator was raised even further up into the ship.
These are the best types of videos!! I have been into Halo since Halo 2 so I feel like I know a good amount, but whenever you post videos like this I always learn something new and it's a blast
Another great video! I ask also how exactly did Chief know exactly where the last longsword was, and operational one at that. Also Jaggers was from the prequel novel to Halo: Combat Evolved, Halo: The Fall of Reach and I do recall, Vice Admiral Whitcomb and Elias Haverson, a ONI liutenant from the Pillar of Autumn from the First Strike novel alongside several other individuals in Halo 3: ODST memorial as an easter egg. As a minor fact, Noble Team, exclusing Jorge seem to consist of the only Spartans that don't sport the traditional SPI armor, instead going for Mjolnir, perhaps it was done to give each character a specific design as well as better chances at variety in terms of Reach's Multiplayer. It doesn't have energy shielding btw :/
Cortana checked the ships inventory and saw there was still one longsword docked and since it was their final option for getting out they just had to hope it was operational
@@Espartanica Noble Team was both some of the best Spartans and specifically assigned to do jobs on Reach, thus having bonus privileges to the best gear available. As for not using SPI armor, that's actually because all spartans by this point had access to Mjolnir mk 4, which was the first actually useful version (not needing to be connected to a generator), though far too powerful for regular humans. Mk 5 Mjolnir had become available just before the battle of Reach, and was the first version to include functional shields. At this point, it's reasonable to believe that Noble Team got to have mk 5 in addition to all 27 Spartan IIs that were available for their special mission (cancelled by the battle of Reach).
@@Tessicaria No, Spartan-3s didn't even begin their training until after Mark 4 was given to the Spartan-2s. In fact, it was the success of the Spartan-2s in their MJOLNIR that convinced the UNSC to begin the next wave
@@Tessicaria Also, there was more than just Noble and the Spartan-2s who had MJOLNIR. The Spartan-3s were given Mark V [B], which was a modular offshoot of Mark V made to test prototypes for Mark 6 armor sets. Canonically all the Spartan-2s wore identical Mark V armor. You can find these dead Spartan-3s on the mission Lone Wolf in their Mark V[B].
There actually was a plan to capture the Truth and Reconciliation by the odst/marine personnel. However the highest ranking military leader on the ring wanted to bring back flood specimens to study. His XO decided to detonate a gernade at a key junction in the engine room and cause the ship to crash. Killing most of the remaining UNSC personnel on installation 04
Maybe the back hull was Johnson’s doing. And I mean maybe they have some sort of tractor magnet keeping the vehicles and supplies fixed but when Johnson landed on halo he may have disabled it too get the warthog out and it just stayed like that do too him rushing. Maybe accidentally hit the entire tractor magnet. Than just the warthog hull. Idk that seems like the best rational opinion. And an addition maybe when the warthog landed at such velocity it may have rocked or rattled the scorpion enough too move toward the end of the hull.
I always assumed Cortana was lying to Foehammer because how do you sell to a regular ol pilot for the human resistance on Halo that she and Master Chief just deliberately doomed them all and now they would like a lift pretty please.
In Chinese voice cover of The Maw, Cortana said something like "The engine must take more damage than I thought during the crash" and that actually makes sense. I don't know if the interpreter added that "crash" thing or what. Well actually there were more confusing information in Halo CE Chinese version.
It’s funny about Ivory Tower from H2 being considered a good Spartan combat arena. Because Blue team uses it during Linda’s comic to train before she gets pulled for her mission.
It may be just me, but I've never used Installation 08/09 that 343 came up with. I've called them by their accurate numbers being 04C and 04D. Reason is all of the rings apart from 07 have been replaced before, making them 01B-06B, until Chief gets involved. Making 04C with Halo 3, and then indirectly 04D in HW2. 07 was retrofitted and repaired prior to the eventual activation of the array, after the original rings of 08-012 were lost. Yes it's old lore, but lore that makes sense than "new rings new numbers cause F-it".
I'm in the same park as others that Chief probably did excessive damage to the fusion drive cores trying to destabilize them and the initial predicted estimate of 15 minutes was knocked down to around 5.
17:00 the lack of a garage door at the back of the hangar of all the ships of the Forward Unto Dawn's class is a serious design flaw. Shows that the UNSC and Sinoviet were seriously strapped for cash during the [final stages of the] Human-Covenant war
My understanding of cortana talking about a wildcat destabilization and that the engines sustained more damage is that she knew it would blow up, but she didn’t think the ship was so damaged and that because of the damage the reactor was destabilizing faster than she had planned. She had planned 18 minutes from the bridge and 15 minutes from the reactor room, but the warthog run timer is 6 minutes on easy mode and 5 on legendary.
To go on about the door on the ships. I do belive they have doors. Perhaps the model being used again was a source of the problem. I think the door may of been damaged, it's hard to see troops working away on the vehicles and equipment in the vacuum of space. Personally I think it was damaged but I could be wrong
Perhaps in preparations for take off the ships secure all of their vehicles and boxes are packed away, so that there's no risk of everything flying out while the garage door is open
I always assumed when Cortana said the engines had sustained more damage than they thought she just meant she thought they’d have more time to escape and the engines were blowing up faster than expected. It also lines up with why we only have 5 or 6 minutes to escape instead of 15
The Charon Light Frigate’s hangar isn’t a storage area. Vehicles and cargo are moved from another area of the ship by an elevator when they’re needed for deployment.
to be fair about the door.(first off no it doesnt make sense that there is no door either way) they did take off almost vertically wich i would assume you would never normally do with a ship that big with all that crew.
There is another answer the garage has multiple levels and the depressurised compartment is accessed through an elevator which brings down the vehicles and aircraft from the upper levels.
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"Grunt adopts a baby" surprises me because that Easter egg is old as hell and originally shows up as trash scattered about The Storm in Halo 3 and specifically one spot on Foundry
I always wondered about the end of halo3 since cortana can move through the systems of the ship cant she just go to the bridge with arbiter and cheif pull out the empty chip and run to the bridge ?? this woeldve avoided the whole halo 4 story line and the story as a whole also love your guys content keep it up
I’m pretty sure that Guilty Spark didn’t kill Master Chief because it needed him to activate the ring. Not to mention Cortana took the rings key and Spark probably didn’t want to risk damaging it. In Halo 3 all bets were off and it wanted to stop Chief at all costs. As for Cortana not saying anything, could be possible that she was staying on guard for the flood and not letting it escape the ring. Like if Chief managed to get on the ship, she’d probably mention something about the flood and checking the ship. That’s my guess.
i think it's more of a situation where spark wasn't able to harm a reclamer according to his protocols but once his ring was destroyed and he became corrupted enough he was able to defy them
@@calsalitra4689 sentinels run mostly on their own protocols and priority to protect the ring would be higher for the sentinels than not attacking a reclaimer the same goes for the humans on the ark and the other monsters excluding the sub monitor from halo infinite can't really explain that one
there's actually a really good reason for why the forward unto dawn doesn't have a garage door. in the level the ark, the marines say this; "Is the Dawn rated for atmosphere?" "Guess we're gonna find out...hey! Take cover!" this means that the dawn was never meant to re-enter a planet's atmosphere (let alone do it multiple times like what we saw in game). it was able to, because sinoviet massively overdesigned the ships structural integrity to handle something like that, however the ship would have been built in outer space attached to a space elevator/satellite station/asteroid, or the ship was initially built on a planet and its first flight would be the first (and by design last) time it would ever have to take off from a planet. and according to the wiki, sinoviet ships like the dawn were built in orbital shipyards, which points to it being built in outer space. from what we know of the "charon-class light frigate" the dawn is meant for fleet escort and planetary defense, meaning it's one of multiple ships that get deployed around a bigger mothership like infinity, or a ship that orbits around a planet while it sends forces back and forth using pelicans. "Owing to its enlarged hangar bay, the Charon-class frigate is better suited to landing forces groundside than other frigate classes." - Halo: The Essential Visual Guide this is another detail that's also important, because if the dawn is supposed to have heavy air traffic with pelicans and longswords and whatever else, the wide open hangar would be a design feature, not an oversight, because doors need to have airlock mechanisms that constantly pressurize and depressurize. that would be a colossal waste of time for something meant to rapidly deploy troops and armor reinforcements on the backs of a fleet of pelicans, and having a single massive airlock is a design failure because then if the enemy interrupts the airlock, all of your vehicles and pelicans are sucked into the vacuum of space (or unable to deploy entirely). have the airlocks be part of the inner doors, have multiple airlocks, have the hangar wide open, transport vehicles and pelicans from vehicle depots inside the body of the dawn (depots above the hangar bay) to the hangar bay, lower them into the hangar bay via the giant elevator platform (we saw tanks roll off of from on the mission The Ark). the pelicans would also be locked down by magnets/claws and we know there are hatches in the giant elevator platform from the beginning of The Ark (when Johnson says "kick the door"), and vehicles would attach to the pelicans themselves before being lowered into the hangar elevator platform. as for why there were so many boxes, crates, scorpions, and warthogs lying around in the hangar at the end of halo 3, they just scrambled every last pelican at the end of the level the covenant to stop truth from firing the rings -- miranda literally took the last remaining pelican to crash into the window of the ark's control room. the stuff in the hangar was on standby for additional waves of pelicans to send in more vehicles, but the pelicans never made it back. after miranda died, johnson ordered an evac of the dawn back through the portal, but he stayed behind with either a skeleton crew (or manned by cortana) and they never picked up after themselves. this also explains why johnson drove a warthog instead of a pelican on the last level to the control room, there were no other pelicans or hornets left, so he just let the dawn go on autopilot to where it was parked while he dropped right out of the hangar in the warthog while it was still on solid ground. how much of this was retconned into making perfect sense, i have no idea, but at the very least bungie did recognize the hangar being open and not remotely controlled by cortana as a plothole and likely added this seemingly throwaway line earlier in the game to address it.
I don’t think Cortana is lying about the engine destabilization, they had thought the engines were less damaged by the crash and thought chiefs actions would give them more time, but since they were more damaged than they thought, they only have a few minutes.
About the rest of the unsc in installation 04 in halo the flood is explained that they acctually contacted the other unsc AI that wss in alpha and planed every step to get all the unsc survivors off the ring while chief was destroying the Pillar of autumm
Theory for last fact (no door): i think they use those phase doors to stop items from flying out while in space. So I believe cortana was redirecting all the power to the thrusters to get out of there as quick as possible, knowing chief could survive the lack of air in space, but didnt think about the gravity launching all the items back down. In real life concepts of the same thing, like in Chinook helicopters, they sometimes keep the doors open, but fly straight. Which makes me think, when the ships are making their assault, the cargo bay is such a small target, they maybe have it open to put more power to the guns or other operating systems, and/or have it open to allow for more smaller ships to return or exit. Just my theory.
19:00 My best guess is that the vehiculs and boxes are supposed to be held by some electro-magnets, but at that point Cortana had derived all the power she could towards the engines to have a chance to escape.
3:17 Samuel-034, one of Master Chief's closest friends was conscripted into military service at the age of 6 and was killed at the age of 14. Yet when Catherine-B320 is enlisted at the age of 9 and dies at 22 it is considered "mindblowing".
Random ass fact, but: canonically, Master Chief hi-jacks and uses a ghost during the Halo 3 mission The Covenant. This is known bc in a Halo Wars 2 phoenix log, (a type of story telling/ lore building log that Halo Wars 2 has) it follows the perspective of a Covenant ghost throughout its lifespan as it is ridden by various owners. First deployed during the events of Reach, it eventually ends up on the Ark during the finale of Halo 3 and is said to have been ridden by "The Demon" for only a few brief moments after hi-jacking it from a Brute chieftain. The funny thing is, upon replaying Halo 3's The Covenant mission ALL the ghosts in that mission are ridden by grunts, and not a single brute. So in a way, it's been retconned that a Brute chieftain rides one of the ghosts in that mission. The ghost eventually ends up being abandoned by Chief in a semi destroyed state and is later salvaged by the Banished many years later.
For the lack of a back door on frigates, I think it was to save some money of construction and to secure vehicles and cargo they could simply use electromagnets and a force field to hold in oxygen and pressurize the bay. Thinking about it, how advanced can we get in the 26th century?
0:44 This may be a joke referencing the stereotypical “Rock/metal bands go through lots of drummers” trope, a trope referenced through a joke in the parody film “This is Spinal Tap”, and one based somewhat in truth with real-world instances of rock band drummers dying tragically such as Ginger Baker and John Bonham
On looking at the garage door of the other ships, you can see a gap where the elevator isn't even loaded. I wouldn't take that as a lore thing, but rather game resources. Also, you can just buy advertising space on manhole covers. Pretty sure it's not much more than the price of the cover itself most places, it is a rather big slab of steel after all.
Just read some of the books before making lore videos. Chief and Cortana coordinated with Major Silva and his Ai on evacuating the UNSC off of the Halo ring. They were well informed of the plan, but in the book the ship the rest of the unsc was in gets destroyed and crashes into halo minutes before the ring blows up.
"apparently that's what the lore says" Yeah I gotta chime in on that, Bungie straight up said HALO 3 retcons the visual and mechanical changes from 1-2. The laser beam was the sci-fi "lightning" he uses to to digitize and re-rez things physical objects like when he used it to probe the terminals in the autumn or take the index from chief. This "in universe" re-retcon of a previous retcon is even more contrived than it's predecessor.
Theory: Cortana wasn't lying to the Chief. She WAS lying to Foehammer, though. My theory for why is that Foehammer might not react well to learning that Chief purposely destabilized the engines, dooming the entire surviving human resistance on the ring. If it's played off like an accident, Foehammer's conscious will be clear and she can focus on just rescuing Chief, without the knowledge that he's killing hundreds. Keep in mind, the only people who know the horrific implications of a Flood outbreak at this point are Chief and Cortana. Foehammer probably wouldn't understand and there wouldn't be time to explain. All moot anyway, though. She dies. Alas.
There probably werent hundreds of people left, the flood more than likely consumed most marines aside from the ODSTs and marines on the truth and reconciliation, the ODSTs of fireteam raven and others who helped chief reach the autumn and also the few survivors chief encountered on a pelican after the ring blew up. Other than that there likely werent many more survivors left on the ring
@@falloutgamer347 There were.
@@Espartanica i mean we dont know that for a fact, sure there could have been survivors in small groups but there were also a lot of infected marines. The autumn has a crew capacity of around 1200 if i remember correctly so there definetily werent hundreds left by the time the maw took place judging by the amount of infected marines in just the areas where chief goes
@@falloutgamer347 We do know that for a fact. There's literally a book about the events of the first game that explains it. You speak as if you're completely certain but seemingly haven't actually read into it.
@@Espartanica i have read the flood, i suppose it could be that its been awhile and i just dont remember it correctly then which is possible. Im not 100% certain and i was trying to speculate and have read into it but its been atleast 5 years since i last read the book. Im willing to accept that im in the wrong then, really gotta read some of those older books again to refresh on the lore, apologies
I always assumed the ‘more damage than we thought’ line referred to the fact that cortana believed they had more time to escape; the damage sustained during the crash accelerated that beyond which she predicted.
That's what I always thought.
Useless? Nothing is Useless! This is Halo! All the facts and lore are important, no matter what!
Edit: As for the Maw Cortana did warn everyone. They tried to take the Truth and Reconciliation but it was destroyed by the ODST Major to not let the Flood get to Earth, it's in the book Halo: The Flood. And Fireteam Raven has the namesake fireteam help Chief get to the Autumn to destroy it.
Also Headlong is from Halo 2, not CE.
Did you know that the most popular developers name for Halo is David.
Yeah that's what I was thinking, half of this information is actually kind of interesting, I would only describe things like soda flavors and drunk officers that apparently served on the pillar of autumn as "useless information" not the stuff about the Arbiter's time in the Covenant admiralty.
Small correction: Major Silva didn't blow up the ship, in fact he was preparing to take a live flood form back to Earth. It was Lieutenant McKay who blew up the ship, knowing how dangerous the flood really were.
including the fact that chiefs suit jacks him off!
@@ClonedGamer001 Wasn't it due to a formerly flood infested Marine who was stuck literally making Flood Noises that tipped the guy off because he could sense the flood in the ship, even though he wasn't controlled by them anymore?
For Cortana and the Maw, I don't think it was anything nefarious. The self-destruct sequence would have been a controlled event, which allowed her to set the time to allow for a "comfortable" escape. But when that was no longer an option, they resorted to forcibly destroying parts of the engine core, which *would* have still allowed for time to evacuate, except "the engines must have sustained more damage than we thought" (she doesn't specify whether it was Master Chief's actions or the crash that caused the "extra" damage, so it could be either), which threw off her calculations.
Sure, Cortana *could* have been planning something deeper (certainly wouldn't be out of character for Bungie to do that), but I think the simple explanation fits well enough....
oh true because the oracle could probebly have figured out how to stop the self destruct sequence.
@@Peron1-MC he DID figure out how to stop it
I was about to say this. She was assuming it was a controlled meltdown that had a predictable time. The battle at Reach and subsequent crash could have done unpredictable damage that she wasn't aware of or able to predict. My head-cannon was that she was referring to the crash, not the Chief blowing it up.
I always took this as "the ship is blowing up faster because it was previously damaged more than I thought it was, so hurry up Foehammer" but I also like the theory
I wouldn’t be surprised if she low-key wanted to kill EVERYONE on the ring thanks to the flood and possible infections/contaminations.
Especially since Chief’s suit almost got compromised by an infection form.
the reason why cortana was lying to foehammer was because her and chief blowing up the pillar of autumn was not an officially sanctioned act.
if you read the books Major Silva had taken command of the UNSC forces left on the ring once it was known cpt Keyes was dead, and he wasn't very fond of the Master Chief.
much of chiefs actions in the later parts of the game were off the books and either done without permission or without checking in first.
So, Cortana lying to Foehammer was likely less a desire to deceive her, and more due to it just being easier to create a convenient lie to explain the ship suddenly going critical then it was to openly admit "hay yah, we're blowing up the ship."
See also when she gives her calculations on their escape she notes they can "sufficiently destabilize" the engines, and estimates around fifteen minutes for she and Chief to make their exit. But once she radios for evac, she goes on to say "We have a wildcat destabilization" (beyond sufficient apparently) and that "the engines must have sustained more damage than we thought." (Which would serve to explain it. This is followed immediately by her giving an updated exfil time of a good bit less than fifteen minutes. In short, it doesn't even need to be explained as a lie, Cortana was just wrong. I've always thought that was the case, as we see it multiple times through Combat Evolved (Keyes' location, the teleporter matrix, etc.) And just figured that being in this intense and demanding situation was taking its toll on her abilities just like everyone else involved.
Additionally, if I remember correctly the rest of the UNSC forces WERE trying to evacuate because they did have at least some idea of what was going down and that Chief and Cortana had a plan to destroy Halo.
Most were just unable to, or in some cases, intentionally sabotaged escape to prevent the Flood from also escaping.
Except that they announced they were gonna blow it up and gave the other forces time to prepare. If you read the books you would know that.
Silva knew they were going to blow up the ring. That's why they took the covenant ship
@@brjoey the unsc forces did know the plan to blow up the autumn but their pelican went down cause the Jenkins flood I think convinced one of the crew to crash it so the flood would perish
5:27 Maybe when Cortana was connected to the covenant's control room she found out Johnson knew *WHAT THE LADIES LIKE* so she tried to have him killed by abandoning him in the exploding ring (like in the legendary ending)
However she failed... except in Halo 3 when she tried again and succeded by having Johnson killed while holding onto her
*CONSPIRACY THEORY*
They like superior firepower
@@The_True_Guy_Who_Asked also armor plating
So what you are telling me is that i need to get a tank and then ladies will be intrested in me?
@@falloutgamer347 Yeah, I mean it makes sense to me at least. In Red vs. Blue, back during the Blood Gulch Chronicles, Tucker states that "Chicks dig tanks." Also, on an unrelated note to Halo, you've got the anime series Girls und Panzer which features girls going to school and learning to compete in tank warfare as a sport. Clearly this isn't an idea unique to Halo, or even machinima series made using Halo like Red vs. Blue at this point.
@@SuperLucky7 very true, you make good points
Halsey's on the ONI memorial because she was presumed dead on Reach. She, Johnson, and blue team had only been back on Earth for a few days, compared to the 2-3 months she was stuck on post-apocalypse reach. Nobody could pump out a memorial that fast especially with a suspected incoming invasion
Actually, Halsey's disappearance was set AFTER the events at Reach. Blue Team made their way back to Earth, we see them at the space elevator in Cuba. It's during the events of Halo 2/3 that they find Onyx and get trapped there. Ghosts of Onyx details this
Small correction about 12:58 We actually have seen gameplay on Installation 03 in the halo franchise (Just not in a mainline game of course) Installation 03 is where most of the plot of Halo Spartan Strike happens
Exactly, was quite surprised that error made its way into the video, guess that game's forgotten about by a lot of people. XD
I love the fact that Chief and Arbiter had a celebratory feast where Chief was like, “Oh yeah, these are my friends dude. We were all trained to be killing machines as kids. Yeah they’re pretty cool.”
I've always thought that Cortana blowing up the Pilar of Autumn wasn't actually communicated to anyone other than Chief likely as it goes against basic protocol for their missions. I mean, it was quite literally destroying a ship that could have been repaired. When she said "the engines must have sustained more damage than we thought" they were trying to push off the explosion as completely out of their control, as if the ship did it on its own.
We also know in Halo 2 that there was a heavy coverup on what happened on the Halo even with higher ups in the UNSC. Miranda only guessed that the thing they say was a halo as the UNSC needed to explain her father's death but they wouldn't go much farther. She then demands that the ship's AI give her all information on the halos saying she doesn't give a damn about here clearance level. Even as the captain of the ship she had very little understanding of what that halo was so whatever happened on the halo seemed to have been hidden from most. Besides, only a few people escaped the first halo so it wasn't hard to scrub the data and keep them from talking. Especially Chief who just does what he's told without doubt.
The ship couldn't have been repaired and they DID announce to the human forces way in advance that they intended to destroy it and the ring. You're going pretty in depth here, considering it seems you haven't looked into the Canon events of the battle of 04. The Flood was attempting to repair the ship on their own and were flocking to it in droves as seen in the epilogue, and the cover-up was moreso to hide knowledge of the Flood and how powerful it was.
Johnson himself says "Sorry Guns, Classified" in response to the Master Gunnery Sargent asking how he got off the ring in one piece. The events of that were in Halo First Strike.
@@MitsukiTakeda You mean the book where it's explicitly stated that the Chief told everyone on the ring his plan.
@@Espartanica but as we know, only a small portion of those from the Halo survived the ring being destroyed and of those we have no idea how. Likely due to the classified nature it could be suggested they used the same teleportation network Chief used to get back on the truth and reconciliation. Nothing has suggested the network is limited to places on the ring so it could have transfer them to another place in the system or even possibly another Forerunner facility.
We also have mixed answers to how much the general public knows of the events in game. We do know that in general people don't seem very knowledgeable on the forerunners nor the flood outside of the chief, his close confidants, and Oni as a whole. There have been some quotes in the books though that suggest that humans are taught about the forerunners and flood in school in 2548, though not sure how canonical that is.
@@Skylancer727 So you haven't read the books? Where it was explained that a decent number of survivors got onto the Truth and Reconciliation? Where it was explained that those few survivors fled on a Pelican? Where Foehammer and the surviving UNSC forces were made aware of the plan? You've gone on a big rant to argue against my side, but all the while again making it clear you haven't looked into the subject very well.
The Fall of Reach, The Flood, and First Strike trilogy covers the Chief's life up until Halo 1, the events of Halo 1, and then the events between Halo 1 and Halo 2. In particular, look into the latter two for their relevance.
When it comes to the Dawn, my biggest question is still how Arbiter made it to Earth when the bridge didn't make it through the portal. It's not like Halo 4 created a plot hole, it's clearly visible on Chief's half of the ship in Halo 3.
... huh. Was gonna say that there was a possibility that the arbiter was using a back up control centre, as is normal on most modern warships, but honestly do not recall if the UNSC Paris class frigates from halo 3 have them! And that, if I recall, the bridge that arby appears to have windows anyway!
How did i never realize this?
Because it was the back half of the ship that didn't make it. The front half made it through before it collapsed, and this was planned by Mendicant Bias. If the Bridge was kept on the half with Chief, it's not a plot hole, just a simple mistake from Bungie.
Most military ships have more than 1 bridge so that if the main one gets destroyed the ship can still function. So Arbiter possibly went to another one.
@@jimmydesouza4375 This actually makes sense, as well. The Bridge is at the very top of the ship, and the hanger is at the bottom. Arbiter probably figured he wouldn't have time to make it to the main bridge, so he when to the closest one, which happened to be farther forward on the Ship.
For the back doors, the production group the Forward Unto Dawn is part of was the last one that came out of the shipyards, so i think it is fair to assume that by that point they were cutting every corner possible to get ships into the fight and considering those ships were only intended to defend Earth by that point, not installing the cargo hangar doors is a thing that would have been sacrificed.
good point
Also we still have access to stuff like cables to fix things in place. Whoever didn’t pin that Scorpion down cost themselves several million.
@@deifiedtitan considering they were on an all-out assault with literally everything they had my running theory for that is that that tank broke down and was basically shoved into a corner while the rest of the crew got into the fight/transferred to the shadow of intent.
Simple answer on the open bay, as someone who's got some different, but related, ship experience. Usually all equipment is stowed under (or maybe in this case above) or "behind" (relatively, it's actually almost always closer to the fore end of the ship in question) the open section of the bay. There are quite a few reasons for doing this, but most notably that I remember is to save on moving parts that could easily fail and interfere with offloads or launches. And as we see in game elevators typically are used for these loads and offloads. Never seen it done the way it is on Dawn, but most launch/loading facilities I've seen and operated in weren't in the belly of a spaceship in flight, so...
Same conclusion reached by me: the vehicles are stashed in a upper level, and the elevator serves multiple levels. So the open door area normally is not available because the platform is raised.
My theory why cortana didn’t tell Foehammer they were the ones that damaged the reactor was to avoid having to awkwardly tell her WHY they sabotaged the ship. Like it’d be a long wild story there was no time.
The remaining human forces already knew of the plan to detonate the Autumn's reactor, but up until that time, it was (reasonably) assumed that Cortana would use the Captain's codes to set an intentional detonation timer. After Spark shut down that method, Cortana was more focused on the method of detonation than telling the rest of the survivors that the plan had to change, and thus didn't have time to explain while calculating the wildcat destabilization timer (note, she is currently 'slowed' by having an actually insane amount of forerunner data currently stored). By then, the other humans were attempting to take control of the still-damaged Truth and Reconciliation for their escape attempt, and weren't in direct contact for any of this (Also, Major Silva has a special hate for chief, beyond just the ODST/Spartan animosity, and made no attempts to hide it).
About the frigates open vehicle bay. If you look at the design of it you'll see that the open bay is the lowest part of the ship and is connected to the rest with a slope or ramp. I always assumed that all vehicles and equipment would be stored further up in the ship and the unsealed bay would only be used as a staging area. Everything needed to be deployed would be lowered down the ramp with an elevator or winch to the staging area and then be deployed. Hence only the area between the bay and the rest of the ship would need to be sealed. Trying to properly seal the three lifts and the huge opening from the extremes of space travel would be extremely difficult without some type of force field. So having it unsealed and putting a motor pool/storage elsewhere was the next best thing.
So in the book "The Fall of Reach", Dr. Halsey explains that Cortana's main directive was to complete the missions given even if it meant sacrificing herself or Master Chief to do so. So when they were detonating the Pillar of Autumn, her only concern was making sure the detonation happened to prevent the flood from escaping and at the time they didnt know anyone survived.
@@Carl_Gunderson I'm not sure, I know when she's interrogated she talks about the Spartans and John but idk if she talks about cortana
@@Carl_Gunderson I'll have to go back and rewatch the curscenes
i assume hitch hikers maybe escaped convicts was more a direct reference to the flood chasing chief during the end. as they are escaped from cold storage and are trying to hitchhike with chief
Cold Storage was a map from a different ring entirely. It's a reference to the Flood trying to use the Autumn to escape the ring and get back to Earth, and the fact the player can't stop along the road for anything as they have to escape
I like to think Chips Dubbo was the lead of that band
Anyone else just love that intro with the pelican ❤
It's kinda Cathy
@@-Alexander2001MB your kinda Karen
I think it would look better without being all purple, other than that i like it
@@falloutgamer347 but it wouldn't match with the retro background if it was looking like it was a gif just slapped over without special editing or custom animation
One of my favorite useless lore, is that the prophets (Shanshyuum) in the forerunner saga were a canonically extremely attractive and “intimate” species that were genetically punished (I forgot why) by the forerunners into what they look like now
They allied with humanity in the war against thr Forerunners.
Useless? Smh. tell that to my entire army of rule34 artists that I have working day and night to…create art for me
I am pretty sure the "hitchhikers may be escaping convicts" line refers to the flood.
This is my rationale for the cargo bay door issue.
Forward Unto Dawn being a ship of the 26th century would undoubtedly have had a decently compartmentalized computer system to protect it from cyberattacks and such. Keep in mind that that was the first time Cortana had ever been aboard Forward Unto Dawn, so she wouldn’t have been integrated with its computer systems meaning she would have to overcome any system protections to gain control of anything on the ship.
Thus, this would have prevented Cortana, who wasn’t in the best condition at the time they escaped, from accessing the doors in time before they left the ring’s atmosphere. This combined with the more important task of taking control of the engines, getting underway, and clear from the Halo ring that was about to explode would explain why she didn’t bother with the doors. They would have taken too much time to override and close when they needed to cast off, only providing her with enough time to override the helm and navigation systems and get the ship underway. And by the time they were in space, there wasn’t a need to close them anymore and she left them open, probably to watch the ring explode and provide a nice view. She did have a flare for the dramatic.
With the Dawn garage door thing, I figured the lore reason Cortana didnt close it was to try to flush as much cargo as possible to help the ship escape the gravitational pull of the ark as much as possible. The other levels having the same ship model's garage door open I chalked up to be a model oversight due to saving resources by using the same model.
with the cortana not closing the door on the ship, I always thought that she was trying to dump the loose cargo to lighten the weight on the ship to gain some speed.
I figured when she said "The engines must have sustained more damage than we thought," it was referring to you not having 15 minutes as she predicted but 6-7 minutes.
5:31 actually, in Halo The Flood, Cortana does inform the surviving UNSC led by Major Silva that they’re gonna blow up the ring. The others then take the Truth and Reconciliation successfully and would’ve gone home as well, but Silvia’s lieutenant realized that Silva didn’t care about actually saving humanity and was going to pilot a ship with numerous covenant and flood directly to earth in violation of the Cole Protocol, so she destroyed the ships reactor and killed everything on board it
They stop all the stuff falling out of the ships with Ratchet Straps. Really super high tech, special Ratchet Straps.
I have a pretty good explanation for why the Charon-Class Light Frigates all have no "Garage Door" is because that's simply a loading bay that's not supposed to have anything in it during transit, as you could see with the cutscene at the end of "The Storm" that elevator was raised even further up into the ship.
These are the best types of videos!! I have been into Halo since Halo 2 so I feel like I know a good amount, but whenever you post videos like this I always learn something new and it's a blast
Another great video! I ask also how exactly did Chief know exactly where the last longsword was, and operational one at that. Also Jaggers was from the prequel novel to Halo: Combat Evolved, Halo: The Fall of Reach and I do recall, Vice Admiral Whitcomb and Elias Haverson, a ONI liutenant from the Pillar of Autumn from the First Strike novel alongside several other individuals in Halo 3: ODST memorial as an easter egg. As a minor fact, Noble Team, exclusing Jorge seem to consist of the only Spartans that don't sport the traditional SPI armor, instead going for Mjolnir, perhaps it was done to give each character a specific design as well as better chances at variety in terms of Reach's Multiplayer. It doesn't have energy shielding btw :/
Cortana checked the ships inventory and saw there was still one longsword docked and since it was their final option for getting out they just had to hope it was operational
There were several Spartan-3 teams given MJOLNIR, but only the best of them.
@@Espartanica Noble Team was both some of the best Spartans and specifically assigned to do jobs on Reach, thus having bonus privileges to the best gear available. As for not using SPI armor, that's actually because all spartans by this point had access to Mjolnir mk 4, which was the first actually useful version (not needing to be connected to a generator), though far too powerful for regular humans. Mk 5 Mjolnir had become available just before the battle of Reach, and was the first version to include functional shields. At this point, it's reasonable to believe that Noble Team got to have mk 5 in addition to all 27 Spartan IIs that were available for their special mission (cancelled by the battle of Reach).
@@Tessicaria No, Spartan-3s didn't even begin their training until after Mark 4 was given to the Spartan-2s. In fact, it was the success of the Spartan-2s in their MJOLNIR that convinced the UNSC to begin the next wave
@@Tessicaria Also, there was more than just Noble and the Spartan-2s who had MJOLNIR. The Spartan-3s were given Mark V [B], which was a modular offshoot of Mark V made to test prototypes for Mark 6 armor sets. Canonically all the Spartan-2s wore identical Mark V armor. You can find these dead Spartan-3s on the mission Lone Wolf in their Mark V[B].
The thing I was mad about is that the arbiter helped Locke and not cheife
If he knows/thinks the chief can handle himself then it is natural for him to help someone else. Efficiency.
There actually was a plan to capture the Truth and Reconciliation by the odst/marine personnel. However the highest ranking military leader on the ring wanted to bring back flood specimens to study. His XO decided to detonate a gernade at a key junction in the engine room and cause the ship to crash. Killing most of the remaining UNSC personnel on installation 04
Maybe the back hull was Johnson’s doing. And I mean maybe they have some sort of tractor magnet keeping the vehicles and supplies fixed but when Johnson landed on halo he may have disabled it too get the warthog out and it just stayed like that do too him rushing. Maybe accidentally hit the entire tractor magnet. Than just the warthog hull. Idk that seems like the best rational opinion. And an addition maybe when the warthog landed at such velocity it may have rocked or rattled the scorpion enough too move toward the end of the hull.
I always assumed Cortana was lying to Foehammer because how do you sell to a regular ol pilot for the human resistance on Halo that she and Master Chief just deliberately doomed them all and now they would like a lift pretty please.
0:45 because the last drummer spontaniously combusted on stage
In Chinese voice cover of The Maw, Cortana said something like "The engine must take more damage than I thought during the crash" and that actually makes sense. I don't know if the interpreter added that "crash" thing or what.
Well actually there were more confusing information in Halo CE Chinese version.
It’s funny about Ivory Tower from
H2 being considered a good Spartan combat arena. Because Blue team uses it during Linda’s comic to train before she gets pulled for her mission.
This is the video we never asked for but so desperately needed haha this is amazing, thank you!
ok the "the garage back door is just always open" thing is so stupid it's absolutely incredible
It may be just me, but I've never used Installation 08/09 that 343 came up with. I've called them by their accurate numbers being 04C and 04D. Reason is all of the rings apart from 07 have been replaced before, making them 01B-06B, until Chief gets involved.
Making 04C with Halo 3, and then indirectly 04D in HW2. 07 was retrofitted and repaired prior to the eventual activation of the array, after the original rings of 08-012 were lost.
Yes it's old lore, but lore that makes sense than "new rings new numbers cause F-it".
4:33 This is explained by the structure of the Maw changing late into development
I've been loving the recent videos, but am desperate for the co op challenges I know are coming now that co op is out
Kat looks older than 22. She looks like she could be someone's old mom living through a mid-life crisis.
I wonder what kind of traumatic ordeal she as a Spartan might have gone through that might prematurely age someone?
That’s funny the text says Hitchhiker maybe escaped convicts way before Halo 3 ODST when Virgil says the same line
Fists of the unicorn is just breaking Benjamin
I'm in the same park as others that Chief probably did excessive damage to the fusion drive cores trying to destabilize them and the initial predicted estimate of 15 minutes was knocked down to around 5.
Well, RocketSloth, looks like you're going to have to make a video about all of the newspapers in Halo.
All this lore is only "useless" if you work at 343
Love the lore videos, love the useless lore. Great vid!
17:00 the lack of a garage door at the back of the hangar of all the ships of the Forward Unto Dawn's class is a serious design flaw. Shows that the UNSC and Sinoviet were seriously strapped for cash during the [final stages of the] Human-Covenant war
My understanding of cortana talking about a wildcat destabilization and that the engines sustained more damage is that she knew it would blow up, but she didn’t think the ship was so damaged and that because of the damage the reactor was destabilizing faster than she had planned. She had planned 18 minutes from the bridge and 15 minutes from the reactor room, but the warthog run timer is 6 minutes on easy mode and 5 on legendary.
To go on about the door on the ships. I do belive they have doors. Perhaps the model being used again was a source of the problem. I think the door may of been damaged, it's hard to see troops working away on the vehicles and equipment in the vacuum of space. Personally I think it was damaged but I could be wrong
I didn’t even realize that pillar of autumn takes place one day before my birthday that’s cool
Perhaps in preparations for take off the ships secure all of their vehicles and boxes are packed away, so that there's no risk of everything flying out while the garage door is open
I always assumed when Cortana said the engines had sustained more damage than they thought she just meant she thought they’d have more time to escape and the engines were blowing up faster than expected. It also lines up with why we only have 5 or 6 minutes to escape instead of 15
The Charon Light Frigate’s hangar isn’t a storage area. Vehicles and cargo are moved from another area of the ship by an elevator when they’re needed for deployment.
In-universe, the lack of a garage door on a military spaceship is a great reason for lawsuit against the company who built them.
to be fair about the door.(first off no it doesnt make sense that there is no door either way) they did take off almost vertically wich i would assume you would never normally do with a ship that big with all that crew.
There is another answer the garage has multiple levels and the depressurised compartment is accessed through an elevator which brings down the vehicles and aircraft from the upper levels.
If i remember right there was something about installation 08 being an exact copy of 04
The odd thing about the door issue, is the Dawn’s stern has it’s rear motor pool sealed shut in Halo 3’s Legendary ending
Nice! New rocket sloth, night made. Gday from Western Australia, home of Swanbourne an actual suburb that in universe was the place the iconic Recon helmet was created and made.
Bit of useless lore for ya
"Grunt adopts a baby" surprises me because that Easter egg is old as hell and originally shows up as trash scattered about The Storm in Halo 3 and specifically one spot on Foundry
There IS a vehicle bay door but it's not hooked in to the central computer so it can't be remotely vented into space!
I always wondered about the end of halo3 since cortana can move through the systems of the ship cant she just go to the bridge with arbiter and cheif pull out the empty chip and run to the bridge ?? this woeldve avoided the whole halo 4 story line and the story as a whole also love your guys content keep it up
Mendicant Bias cut off the portal specifically to send Chief to Requiem.
played through halo 3 today and that not shutting garage door really upset me
the original drummer probably died during the pillar of autumn mission on reach
I’m pretty sure that Guilty Spark didn’t kill Master Chief because it needed him to activate the ring. Not to mention Cortana took the rings key and Spark probably didn’t want to risk damaging it. In Halo 3 all bets were off and it wanted to stop Chief at all costs. As for Cortana not saying anything, could be possible that she was staying on guard for the flood and not letting it escape the ring. Like if Chief managed to get on the ship, she’d probably mention something about the flood and checking the ship. That’s my guess.
i think it's more of a situation where spark wasn't able to harm a reclamer according to his protocols but once his ring was destroyed and he became corrupted enough he was able to defy them
@@skylerwilde-mitchell9791 Seems like a bit of an obvious loophole if Spark can just tell his Sentinels to kill reclaimers for him.
@@calsalitra4689 sentinels run mostly on their own protocols and priority to protect the ring would be higher for the sentinels than not attacking a reclaimer the same goes for the humans on the ark and the other monsters excluding the sub monitor from halo infinite can't really explain that one
there's actually a really good reason for why the forward unto dawn doesn't have a garage door. in the level the ark, the marines say this;
"Is the Dawn rated for atmosphere?"
"Guess we're gonna find out...hey! Take cover!"
this means that the dawn was never meant to re-enter a planet's atmosphere (let alone do it multiple times like what we saw in game). it was able to, because sinoviet massively overdesigned the ships structural integrity to handle something like that, however the ship would have been built in outer space attached to a space elevator/satellite station/asteroid, or the ship was initially built on a planet and its first flight would be the first (and by design last) time it would ever have to take off from a planet. and according to the wiki, sinoviet ships like the dawn were built in orbital shipyards, which points to it being built in outer space.
from what we know of the "charon-class light frigate" the dawn is meant for fleet escort and planetary defense, meaning it's one of multiple ships that get deployed around a bigger mothership like infinity, or a ship that orbits around a planet while it sends forces back and forth using pelicans.
"Owing to its enlarged hangar bay, the Charon-class frigate is better suited to landing forces groundside than other frigate classes." - Halo: The Essential Visual Guide
this is another detail that's also important, because if the dawn is supposed to have heavy air traffic with pelicans and longswords and whatever else, the wide open hangar would be a design feature, not an oversight, because doors need to have airlock mechanisms that constantly pressurize and depressurize. that would be a colossal waste of time for something meant to rapidly deploy troops and armor reinforcements on the backs of a fleet of pelicans, and having a single massive airlock is a design failure because then if the enemy interrupts the airlock, all of your vehicles and pelicans are sucked into the vacuum of space (or unable to deploy entirely).
have the airlocks be part of the inner doors, have multiple airlocks, have the hangar wide open, transport vehicles and pelicans from vehicle depots inside the body of the dawn (depots above the hangar bay) to the hangar bay, lower them into the hangar bay via the giant elevator platform (we saw tanks roll off of from on the mission The Ark). the pelicans would also be locked down by magnets/claws and we know there are hatches in the giant elevator platform from the beginning of The Ark (when Johnson says "kick the door"), and vehicles would attach to the pelicans themselves before being lowered into the hangar elevator platform.
as for why there were so many boxes, crates, scorpions, and warthogs lying around in the hangar at the end of halo 3, they just scrambled every last pelican at the end of the level the covenant to stop truth from firing the rings -- miranda literally took the last remaining pelican to crash into the window of the ark's control room. the stuff in the hangar was on standby for additional waves of pelicans to send in more vehicles, but the pelicans never made it back. after miranda died, johnson ordered an evac of the dawn back through the portal, but he stayed behind with either a skeleton crew (or manned by cortana) and they never picked up after themselves. this also explains why johnson drove a warthog instead of a pelican on the last level to the control room, there were no other pelicans or hornets left, so he just let the dawn go on autopilot to where it was parked while he dropped right out of the hangar in the warthog while it was still on solid ground.
how much of this was retconned into making perfect sense, i have no idea, but at the very least bungie did recognize the hangar being open and not remotely controlled by cortana as a plothole and likely added this seemingly throwaway line earlier in the game to address it.
things don't normally fly out the back cuz they're probably normally strapped down most of the time
In halo infinite, the NPC Echo 216s number was not random. 216 is the max amount of reserve ammo you can have in an assault rifle in infinite.
I don’t think Cortana is lying about the engine destabilization, they had thought the engines were less damaged by the crash and thought chiefs actions would give them more time, but since they were more damaged than they thought, they only have a few minutes.
Cortana didnt want humans getting off the ring because every one is a potential flood carrier.
DUH
About the rest of the unsc in installation 04 in halo the flood is explained that they acctually contacted the other unsc AI that wss in alpha and planed every step to get all the unsc survivors off the ring while chief was destroying the Pillar of autumm
Theory for last fact (no door): i think they use those phase doors to stop items from flying out while in space. So I believe cortana was redirecting all the power to the thrusters to get out of there as quick as possible, knowing chief could survive the lack of air in space, but didnt think about the gravity launching all the items back down. In real life concepts of the same thing, like in Chinook helicopters, they sometimes keep the doors open, but fly straight. Which makes me think, when the ships are making their assault, the cargo bay is such a small target, they maybe have it open to put more power to the guns or other operating systems, and/or have it open to allow for more smaller ships to return or exit. Just my theory.
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19:00 My best guess is that the vehiculs and boxes are supposed to be held by some electro-magnets, but at that point Cortana had derived all the power she could towards the engines to have a chance to escape.
I had to switch this off when it went from lore to wild speculation about cortana dialogue from CE
Imagine getting that upset about a little bit of harmless speculation
Cortana did not send a ping about destroying the pillar of autumm because the flood would know
3:17 Samuel-034, one of Master Chief's closest friends was conscripted into military service at the age of 6 and was killed at the age of 14. Yet when Catherine-B320 is enlisted at the age of 9 and dies at 22 it is considered "mindblowing".
I mean, she did get her mind blown, I think that was the joke
@@Dragonslayer-zp2ud so did Samuel. Hell he even got more than his mind blown than Kat did.
I had always took the reason why she doesn't give a warning to any UNSC personnel before the pillar detonates was because there wasn't any left.
The Superintendent AI in halo Infinite says "warning hitchikers may be escaping convicts" when boarding an enemy vehicle
Random ass fact, but: canonically, Master Chief hi-jacks and uses a ghost during the Halo 3 mission The Covenant. This is known bc in a Halo Wars 2 phoenix log, (a type of story telling/ lore building log that Halo Wars 2 has) it follows the perspective of a Covenant ghost throughout its lifespan as it is ridden by various owners. First deployed during the events of Reach, it eventually ends up on the Ark during the finale of Halo 3 and is said to have been ridden by "The Demon" for only a few brief moments after hi-jacking it from a Brute chieftain. The funny thing is, upon replaying Halo 3's The Covenant mission ALL the ghosts in that mission are ridden by grunts, and not a single brute. So in a way, it's been retconned that a Brute chieftain rides one of the ghosts in that mission. The ghost eventually ends up being abandoned by Chief in a semi destroyed state and is later salvaged by the Banished many years later.
I actually remember seeing that grunt newspaper on the map Icebox when I was checking it out for the first time after it got added.
For the lack of a back door on frigates, I think it was to save some money of construction and to secure vehicles and cargo they could simply use electromagnets and a force field to hold in oxygen and pressurize the bay. Thinking about it, how advanced can we get in the 26th century?
0:44 This may be a joke referencing the stereotypical “Rock/metal bands go through lots of drummers” trope, a trope referenced through a joke in the parody film “This is Spinal Tap”, and one based somewhat in truth with real-world instances of rock band drummers dying tragically such as Ginger Baker and John Bonham
I think the 9 minutes lost from 15 is from fighting Zuka Zamamee
Noticed a simple mistake. Moas have been extinct since around the 14th century, way longer than 150 years ago.
"Rocking your Eridamus off" lmao
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On looking at the garage door of the other ships, you can see a gap where the elevator isn't even loaded. I wouldn't take that as a lore thing, but rather game resources.
Also, you can just buy advertising space on manhole covers. Pretty sure it's not much more than the price of the cover itself most places, it is a rather big slab of steel after all.
That hangar door one always bothered me, I'm not sure I'm completely satisfied with the answer
Also yeah Gamma Halo was in the top-down mobile game Halo Spartan Strike... Technically canon I think
7:56 holy fucking shit those moas where huge. terrefying :/
all i want for christmas is 20 mins of useless LOOOOORREEE
Shut up, it's still November!
Wait a few days.
So after cortana assaulted earth, homeworld of humanity, all the characters met up and had dinner? What?
i love how it all comes together at the end
Just read some of the books before making lore videos. Chief and Cortana coordinated with Major Silva and his Ai on evacuating the UNSC off of the Halo ring. They were well informed of the plan, but in the book the ship the rest of the unsc was in gets destroyed and crashes into halo minutes before the ring blows up.
Feels like school again in what the intro told me.
"apparently that's what the lore says"
Yeah I gotta chime in on that, Bungie straight up said HALO 3 retcons the visual and mechanical changes from 1-2. The laser beam was the sci-fi "lightning" he uses to to digitize and re-rez things physical objects like when he used it to probe the terminals in the autumn or take the index from chief.
This "in universe" re-retcon of a previous retcon is even more contrived than it's predecessor.