TMI is a movement maker in Malaysia that is also owned by Seiko. That is an NH35A movement, its just not made in Japan. The S11 marking is Japan Made, the TMI marking is Malaysia. Both movements are the same and made by Seiko.
In theory....... The same movement but not the same quality. I have had Invicta (Movements NH35) fail within a year. I quit buying Invictas because the lack of quality. I believe the Japanese made Seiko movements are better than the Malaysian because of QC......The Chinese are making better movements than the Japanese now. PT5000 and the ST2130 are better movements, High Beat, more accurate. They cost more but it is worth extra $20-$30 over the NH35s
@@MrCuckoobox interesting, I've been considering getting an Invicta but idk now. Maybe it's better to find a good deal on a nice cheap vintage something or other and just service it...
@@joshdfox420 You can. I do not know how much you end up spending. Vintage is nice. You might be $500 plus by the time it is is all said and done. Or you end up spending a $100+/- and a non-running watch because the servicing is over your budget, unless you do it yourself or replace the movement which is probably not the case because you were originally looking to purchase a new watch I think the best bang for the $$$ on a budget is Bliger @ $125 +/- with a PT5000. You will get a Sapphire Crystal and Cyclops, Ceramic Bezel, Solid Link Bracelet with screw pins, milled clasp, milled clasp with quick adjust. A very nice watch for $$. Yes, it is about Double the Invicta. Are there are cons - yes. The Finishing could be improved (but is much better finishing than the Invicta) and the Lume is lacking. If you want a better watch look at San Martin with PT5000 at $300 +/- and the finishing will be nice and the lume too. Bliger www.ebay.com/itm/353766508106 San Martin www.aliexpress.com/item/3256802122349179.html
Its an issue that just really does not exist. Why should Invicta waste the branding cost of the rotor or the sticker on the rotor? It's the same movement regardless.
@@23727bgk Invicta adds it purely as a marketing tool. A lot of movement makers add flair to their movements with perlage, gold accents etc. and call them elabore' grade. This sticker is a cheap way to make it look like the movement is "special" to Invicta.
If you've spent 10K - 15K on a Rolex Sub & along comes Invicta Pro Diver at a fraction of the price. You'd be unhappy too. The Invicta Pro Diver & Invicta 1953 are indeed the Rolex of value for money. Rolex should give a free Invicta Pro Diver with every Rolex Sub they sell. So you can wear the Invicta & lock the Rolex up in a safe.
@@coolcatbaron I haven’t worn it for months now but it does fine for me, I only check the accuracy against my phone time and it does fine, my very first automatic watch for the price it’s a staggeringly good price
They are both the exact same movement. The difference is where they are built. One is built in Japan and the other in Malaysia. TMI is the company that makes them. Both movements are NH-35
I received the same watch with the TMI movement in Dcember 2021, and have worn it 24/7 since then. It is way more accurate than my other copy with the yellow rotor. It operates at about +4 seconds/day, which is within COSC standards for a chronometer. I see the lack of yellow as a bonus, but that is a matter of opinion.
I just picked one of these up expecting a yellow balance mech but got a silver one - but no complaints because its incredibly accurate, lost a couple of seconds in 24 hours. Seems like some of these movements vary depending on where they're assembled
They sent you a Pro Diver with an NH35. For whatever reason, Invicta didn't swap out the rotor. Maybe they ran out. So what's the problem? It's an Invicta, you didn't exactly buy the watch for it's awesome internal substance! btw I have the same two-colour as you, as homages go it's not too bad. Leson to be learned: It's in Invicta, don't expect too much. It's not a Steinhart.
I have only one of the Pro Divers in my collection. It has an Orange Bezel, which I like...I call it my Halloween watch! I keep it in a watch winder, as I do with my 4 Automatic Grand Divers. One of my Grand Divers is from when Invicta's first put out the Grand Diver...so it's a 44 mm ( I think ) and I was told it has ETA 2824-2 movement....since this one was an early 2004 or 05. All I know is I took it to my jeweler, and he told me it had an ETA 2824-2...which I was pleasantly surprised! I keep it, along with my other automatics in watch winders...and they're almost as accurate as a quartz watch! You have a new subscriber!
I just got the 42MM Pro Diver ... it does have the NH35A movement, but it doesn't have the yellow balance piece on the movement. On Amazon the photo also didn't have it but the video did. I wish it was yellow, but you can't see it so oh well. Also it came in a cardboard box, not the nice yellow box, again, oh well, it's an inexpensive watch -- everything else about it is great.
Very interesting video and very insightful comments regarding Invicta movements. I enjoy my Invicta divers with the Japanese and Swiss movements. I am no watch snob, owning Rolex to Timex watches. I congratulate you on your channel . Blessings…
The best Invicta to buy is the Pro Diver 9937 with the Selita SW200 movement. It has the solid end links with the milled clasps. Not like some of the others that have the cheap pressed clasps and with the 9937 the quality control is spot on flawless. It was my introduction to watches, and I lucked out with this purchase. Truth be told its a $200 purchase and I was skeptical about the less expensive choice without any knowledge of the different movements in them, but I quickly learned the higher the price in movements the better in most cases. I wear it more than my high-end luxury watches and I brought it in 2017.
A San Martin or Cronos is better, even with PT5000 because the finishing, Sapphire Crystal, Ceramic Bezel and Lume. If you are on a budget, get a Bliger (you get a sterile or custom dial if you perfer) with PT5000, Sapphire Crystal, Ceramic Bezel, Solid links, Milled Clasp with "Glide Lock" Quick Adjust for around $110-120 and another $25 for custom dial if you want one.
The fact that you have two and purchased another one speaks for itself. They are nice looking watches and seem to run well from many who have had them for years including a few watch repair reviews which stated they give a lot of watch for the money.
3:49 - - It's actually SII not S11. SII = Seiko Instruments, Inc. TMI = Time Module, inc. Both are part of the Seiko Epson corporation. Continuing with the rest of the video now 🙂
I've ordered a bunch of NH35 movements from China (TMI) for my own watch builds, and I would not read too much into an individual movements accuracy or reliability. The accuracy will vary, and they tend to settle towards a stable seconds per day variation after a few weeks or months. You can regulate them, if you are so inclined, and you can get them easily within +/- 5 spd. That being said, this will be affected how you hold the watch, meaning that it makes a difference whether you sit all day or whether you move a lot, just a variation of how you hold the watch and implicitly the movement. (You can very much see the effect if you rotate a watch on a timegrapher.) As an individual you can buy these movements for about $30, but I'm sure they are less expensive wholesale. You will only get so much QC at this price, and the same goes for the overall watch. (And long-term accuracy and reliability will depend on how the movement was put together.) I'm actually surprised that the quality of Invicta watches is as good as it is. The issue doesn't really go away with other movement types, at least not automatically, because the QC will depend on the cost of labor at the country of origin, and the degree of automation at the manufacturer. The advantage of the NH35 is that it is a known quantity, meaning that there are many examples where these movements have lasted a long time, and a low amplitude and beat rate contribute to that, which also limits their accuracy to some degree. Parts availability is very high, and I can swap a movement within 30 minutes. I've been lucky, and have yet to have one of these movements fail on me, even though I I've made mistakes while regulating or casing them. I would adjust my expectations accordingly when ordering a mechanical watch at or below $100.
The yellow thing in the rotor is just a sticker, the movement is the same, a NH35A made by Time Module Inc (TMI), the factory the Seiko group has in Malaysia. That's all. It's the very same watch. Just with or without a sticker.
Thank You!!!!!! Hey, Some People Like their Stickers...... 😆😆🤣 IMHO the Malaysia Movements do not have same QC as the Japanese. I have Invicta Malaysia Movements fail with in a year of buying them. I quit buying them.
@@MrCuckoobox the problem is, both SII and TMI are not produced in Japan. The Seiko group doesn't manufacture anything on japanese land except for the expensive watches (>300€), and it's not 100% japanese made. It can vary from the parts of the movement to the handwork. Grand Seiko are much more "true japanese" than regular Seikos. For instance, Seiko 5 watches are not at all made within japanese borders; the expenses of japanese workers simply can't comply with a 100€ watch. In that regard, both TMI and SII are of the same QC, at least on paper. I haven't had any problems with TMI, nor they are less accurate, but that may be my personal experience.
i odered 15 pro diver from Invicta website and all of them dont have the yellow rotor. I am very dissapointed. I can not exchange them because those watches was sent to me in Vietnam. What should i do now?
Got mine today - black/silver face + brushed silver rotor just like the first one you showed in the vid. Bought from the official Invicta storefront on Amazon. I was a bit disappointed at first because I loved the sweet touch of a yellow rotor, however, I'm not sending it back. Same movement - that's what matters. I've googled a lot of people are getting these silver rotors these days. Cost cutting I guess.
Thanks very much for this info. I’ve purchased many Invictas from Amazon and have read reviews of people questioning the authenticity. I’ve been fortunate so far but this is good info.
There has been some production shortages of NH35 movements because of the pandemic. These are the same movement but from a different factory that's all!
Great content, I received my model today via official Amazon, I was disappointed because it came with the silver rotor and not the yellow one, as a collector's item I believe it makes a personal difference, but I believe that Amazon will not pay due attention to searching their stock a model with a yellow rotor, given the high sales demand for the model, all of them must have already been sold in Brazil. Mine came with an impressive plastic box with a lock, at least that to compensate.
Me too! Aconteceu a mesma coisa comigo! Recebi na caixa toda bonita mas veio sem o adesivo! Amanhã eu vou olhar na coleção pra ver se algum outro modelo não tem o adesivo amarelo
S-eleven or Seiko Instruments Inc hence "SII"? Further at 4:40 "NH35A" is clearly visible which is the Seiko time + date movement they have used for a long time.
I bought two Pro Divers from Invicta, the 1953 and the 8926OB. They no longer have the yellow rotor. Disappointing to some, but it doesn't affect the operation or value of the unit.
ST stands for Standard Movement. They are a Chinese brand and are used in many Chinese and other watch brands mostly micro brands. The general consensus is that they are cheaper and inferior to the Japanese brands and you were probably right to exchange it.
Just ordered 8926ob and mine came with a silver rotor. Im hanging onto it. This will be known as the Invicta 8926 covid 19 model one day. Probably be a more rare watch.
If you don't like it don't buy it , stands too reason .I like invicta , cheap as chips , not bad quality .Lots of people complain about invictas marketing policies , so dont buy it then . Like i said some of them are good .Looks good .great vid .
ive heard of these invicta's before . the "sterile" version. it happens and has been around for years. i myself own a pro driver, but it came in a different box. its not the leather look, yellow or grey. its a fully cardboard box. there are many types of boxes, movements and such
I recently bought my first Invicta (second hand), and it has some discrepancies that I've found. First, it does have the silver balance weight, but it is marked S11. It also has the model number 8926, but has the bezel of an 8926OB. I don't know how to date it, but if the numbers between the jugs is a date, then it's from 2011.
My first Invicta Watch was a Pro-Diver with a blue face and the back behind was silver and on the face said JAPAN MOVMNT and that my roommate stole that watch now mine has a yellow back and that one I bough it at the Invicta Store in Aventura Mall and I got a Mickey Mouse watch for free as to say the new ones don’t say JAPAN MOVMNT on the face but on the back it said Assembled in Malaysia with Japanese Movement, and probably TMI is based in Hong Kong and it says on the back for the one you bought Assembled in China with Japanese Movement just like everything else is Assembled in China. Anyway nice watch and I bet the one with the TMI one is solid as the ones that says JAPAN MOVMNT on the face. I bet the early ones where Swiss Made with ETA movement and probably next they will go to say Assembled in Philippines With Swiss Movement, as Timex will be next to assemble them but with Swiss parts.
Time Module Inc. is a subsidiary of Seiko Epson, and the first watch did have an NH35. Weird that it didn't get the yellow rotor, though. And it's not S11, it's SII (Seiko Instruments Inc.) I also heard somewhere that older versions of the ProDiver used a Miyota movement that didn't have a yellow rotor.
It's a good thing you didn't get a NOS version of that Pro Diver. You would have freaked out 😳 They came with the Miyota 8215 prior to Invicta switching to the Seiko movement 🤔 The only "undressed" (unpainted) rotors I've ever seen from Invicta are Miyota, the Chinese brand I don't recall the name of; and the Sellita. The Sellita is "dressed" different. Anyway, glad you were able to get your concern resolved 👍.
Hi , I bought the black 30091 42mm with the silver rotor too, I was want the yellow one rotor but this one works fine for me. Read all the comments am sure that's not fake, I hope so 😂
So… being a complete beginner at watches, yet also being a pro Googologist I seem to have gleaned some points: TMI = Made in China Also noted, authentic models have, “Japan Movt” at the six o’clock position. This can be seen on the Invicta website. I almost bought a TMI without the Japan Movement text but got lucky and noticed in one of the write-ups on one of the 5 Pro Divers I was debating over. - One was SII without the Japan Movt. - One was TMI. - and the one I bought, which is SII with Japan Movt at 6 on face. Perhaps in other peoples minds a Seiko is a Seiko, and maybe they’re correct. To me, Made in Japan was worth the extra $5USD. Thought I would share since I learned a lot from everyone posting data and especially for the video creator who made this all possible. Thank you!
I have the 9937ob Pro-diver, it has a Sellita SW200-1 Swiss auto (+3secs/day), a thinner 12mm case (with a little smaller engraving) chunkier bracelet with solid end links and milled clasp and flame fusion crystal (little slice of sapphire on top of mineral) $170 from Jomashop....Man! I love this Watch! Oh yeah!! It comes in a decent hard sliding lid box nothing like the standard flip top ones
That is a Definite Step Up and a Great Price given the SW200 Movements go for $200 or more themselves. I have had several Swiss Pro Divers with 2824 ETAs and SW200s with Sapphire Crystals.. They had Aluminum Bezels.... I see the newer versions have Stainless Steel Bezels and Flame Fusion Crystals. Stainless is better but Flame Fusion isn't...... The other week point is the bracelet with pressed clasp and pins - you will get a year or so out of it as a "daily wrist wearer". Invicta should pull out the "stops" and finish building a good watch if you are going to use SW200 by using a Sapphire Crystal, a Ceramic Bezels, Screw Links and Full Milled Clasp. The extra cost is not that big of a deal. The "Other BIG" Issue with Invicta is their Service Center - IWSC in Salt Lake City is Horrible. They "Lost" my wife's Watch and refused to "Replace" it. They took forever to respond and gave me the run-around. ZERO Customer Service. If your Invicta needs Servicing I WOULD NOT SEND There. Nor would I have them do Warranty Work. They are a "Bunch of Mormon Crooks." More or less you are on your own with Invicta, once you purchase one. If you need service or repair find a local "watch person". Over all, IMHO they are not worth buying because I have had more issues than I care to say. The QC is lacking. I have had far few issues with Ali Express Brands such San Martin, Bliger and Parnis to name a few.
I have many invictas in my collection. I just recently bought my first Invicta automatic watch from the Invicta website, and it came with the silver rotor. I am pretty disappointed and was expecting the yellow. So here I am searching on TH-cam why I didn't get the yellow on the back. I'm still going to keep it, but if I get another automatic I hope to get one with yellow on the back. It looks cooler than a plain silver. I got the model # 36746. I love the watch tho, its a minor detail but kinda irks me.
I bought recently my 89260B with silver rotor, at first glance I am disappointed but the movement seem perfect.- With regards to the YELLOW rotor my view is its all about badge enhancement a sort of marketing factor by Invicta, but due to high demand the production cannot accommodate the time with this colored rotor I guess nonetheless its the same NH35A standard.
My mate did bring back a fake Invicta from holiday in Mexico a few years back(: Couldn't believe it Haha Ps i own quite a number of them have 2 lovely Bronze models .
I just ordered the 89260B and got the silver rotor, ordered it again, silver rotor, and again, silver rotor. All three from Amazon, and each had a different style box. One had a huge waterproof thing, crazy. Sent them all back and ordered the 42 mm. Model. Don’t care for the silver rotor.
So the color the rotor is different and you don't like because it's not yellow but the color of the replacement box is different and you do like it because its NOT yellow....? That just struck me funny. I've seen several pictures online with the "not-yellow" rotor so I guess I wouldn't have been surprised as much. I don't know why they are different. But I get why you want what you receive to match the pictures of what you ordered. Glad you got what you wanted from amazon!
Interesting, I have a gold grandmaster with the yellow counterweight. Some reviews from big utubers hate the yellow. Maybe they stopped yellow on some because the feedback has been negative.
I don’t mind the yellow at all. It’s rather attractive. One must keep in mind most invicta are under 100 dollars. For that price point how you going wrong for the quality ?
What I think happened is that you got an older model, one without the yellow wind rotor. From what I understand, the watches that have the yellow rotor come in that god-awful plastic transparent and yellow box. My Grand Diver #3049 from 2012 also came in the nice box like that but the rotor was silver. It has words all over it, but it's silver.
@@streviews4u I completely understand because when I received the first couple they did not have the yellow sticker on them and I was freaking out a bit thinking I got screwed but working on the same logic of you who would fake a f****** $60 watch I busted out the magnifying glass and could see where the nh35a was stamped into the rotor
@@streviews4u now if you really want to upgrade that watch get you a 20 mil oyster glide lock bracelet off of eBay for $28 they also have the two tone I did it to just about all of my Invictus makes them much more comfortable
To me the yellow plate is just for easy to details the black letters using paints for easy to read The silver plate without paints,all the letters details are etch (stamp) to the metal which is little hard for to read but more professional way of the products mean to be
They can’t win. When the rotor is yellow people complain. Now they’re just not painting it people complain. So much hate for these watches. But you only catch flack when you’re over the target. I love Japanese cars Acura mainly Lexus ofcourse and I love having a Japanese engine in my watch.
TY,,,,,,WOW incredible very interesting super kool ,1st class great info.,, AAAAAAAAAAA++++++++++++ again great video I liked it a lot ,keep up the great work.
Hi, Sir. I recently purchase a Invicta pro diver watch as same as in your video. I don't know if it's normal I can click the bezel face, and it goes up and down a little bit and have a click sound. It feels as if the bezel inside is not fully sealed and come a little bit loose. I am thinking to have it exchanged via Amazon but I worry if this is normal behavior, the replacement would be the same anyway. I wonder if any of your Invicta pro diver watches have the same problem?
There is no mistery. During Covid19, Invicta has published an announcement that it is hard to get customized NH35 movements from Seiko, so to keep up with their production numbers and avoid delays, there will be models produced with a non-custom NH35 movements, which is what you jave there. This was very clear announcement, and visible on their site. I have bought a few watches like that, don't mind it. I might be mistaking, but I think Aragon have done the same. Btw, from which store on Amazon you bought this? It's not from Amazon directly.
think that the yellow barbell many do not like, as well as the side writing INVICTA ..... I personally like it and I see it as a peculiarity in the end wants homage not clones
Word of advice....order directly from Invicta! You may pay a tad more and may or may not get free shipping but you are getting authentic product. I ordered an Invicta Venom a few years back and to my surprise, it was a knock off. So, fakes do exist. But as far as TMI goes, thats a movement that is also made by Seiko. Invicta is NOT a cheap watch maker. They've been around since mid 1800's and have made some fine watches. My dad had one from 1976 and it is beautiful and high quality. They do make "budget" models but they also make $3000+ models that are absolutely stunning. Too many people expect Rolex or Tag performance but not the price. Well, thats not gonna happen. With that being said, you get top notch product for a Casio or upper end Timex price.
Invicta can be a inexpensive watch, but not normally cheap. I’ve only had one Chinese quarts model fail. Most of my invicta a are Swiss , I have a couple of automatics though that are japense movements
@@max420thc even Japanese movements can be fine time pieces. Too many people think if it doesn't say this or that, it's gotta be cheap. Not the case. I have a G-Shock that is 26 years old and is still going strong and one of my best watches
Absolutely, Japanese make a fine time piece . I’m not a fan of g shock but I have seen a couple of models that were attractive. I like metal and shinny watches with attractive colors.
I'd be interested to know if the watch was 'sold' by Amazon or by a third party and dispatched by Amazon. I have a slight issue with the Invicta 1953 which arrived with a different colour text on the dial to the one I ordered. It was dispatched by Amazon but sold by a different party.
IN MY OPINION THE SEIKO NH35A MOVEMENT IS A LOT BETTER THAN THE TMI CHINESE MOVEMENT. I HAVE MY 8926OB FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW & IT OPERATES AT +/- 2 SPD. IT DOESN'T GET MUCH BETTER THAN THAT.
I would never ever buy a automatic dive watch that does not have sapphire glass and a ceramic bezel as standard' I've got San Martin and steeldive watches that cost a fraction of the price of Seiko watches and the like and I've never had a problem with there quality control and there movements always work like a dream' you can buy a San Martin with sapphire glass ceramic bezel and SW200 Swiss movement' for still a cheaper price than watches with a basic automatic movement..✌️🧐🇬🇧
I watch shop HQ shopping network on TV we're they host the invicta brand, that's we're I buy my watches from, anyway the said that they were getting rid the yellow rotors because peoples were complaining about those rotors, it's not a fake.
TMI is a movement maker in Malaysia that is also owned by Seiko. That is an NH35A movement, its just not made in Japan. The S11 marking is Japan Made, the TMI marking is Malaysia. Both movements are the same and made by Seiko.
In theory....... The same movement but not the same quality. I have had Invicta (Movements NH35) fail within a year. I quit buying Invictas because the lack of quality. I believe the Japanese made Seiko movements are better than the Malaysian because of QC......The Chinese are making better movements than the Japanese now. PT5000 and the ST2130 are better movements, High Beat, more accurate. They cost more but it is worth extra $20-$30 over the NH35s
I was just about to write verbatim what you said.
@@MrCuckoobox yep, the PT5000 really is great especially for its asking price.
@@MrCuckoobox interesting, I've been considering getting an Invicta but idk now. Maybe it's better to find a good deal on a nice cheap vintage something or other and just service it...
@@joshdfox420 You can. I do not know how much you end up spending. Vintage is nice. You might be $500 plus by the time it is is all said and done. Or you end up spending a $100+/- and a non-running watch because the servicing is over your budget, unless you do it yourself or replace the movement which is probably not the case because you were originally looking to purchase a new watch I think the best bang for the $$$ on a budget is Bliger @ $125 +/- with a PT5000. You will get a Sapphire Crystal and Cyclops, Ceramic Bezel, Solid Link Bracelet with screw pins, milled clasp, milled clasp with quick adjust. A very nice watch for $$. Yes, it is about Double the Invicta. Are there are cons - yes. The Finishing could be improved (but is much better finishing than the Invicta) and the Lume is lacking. If you want a better watch look at San Martin with PT5000 at $300 +/- and the finishing will be nice and the lume too.
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I have an Invicta Pro Diver with this movement. It's s about 8 years old and it's deadly accurate. you're doing fine!
Never has A Watch undergone such intense analysis as the Invicta Pro diver?
Totally agree
Its an issue that just really does not exist. Why should Invicta waste the branding cost of the rotor or the sticker on the rotor? It's the same movement regardless.
@@23727bgk Invicta adds it purely as a marketing tool. A lot of movement makers add flair to their movements with perlage, gold accents etc. and call them elabore' grade. This sticker is a cheap way to make it look like the movement is "special" to Invicta.
I don’t understand why some ppl hate on invicta so much. They make some absolutely beautiful watches.
If you've spent 10K - 15K on a Rolex Sub & along comes Invicta Pro Diver at a fraction of the price. You'd be unhappy too. The Invicta Pro Diver & Invicta 1953 are indeed the Rolex of value for money. Rolex should give a free Invicta Pro Diver with every Rolex Sub they sell. So you can wear the Invicta & lock the Rolex up in a safe.
The rotor always used to be silver... They only changed to yellow about 5 years ago!
I have an invicta and for the prices you pay no one can complain, i have had mine since 2012 and never once had an issues
Is it still accurate? Did a watchmaker need to see it to adjust it?
@@coolcatbaron I haven’t worn it for months now but it does fine for me, I only check the accuracy against my phone time and it does fine, my very first automatic watch for the price it’s a staggeringly good price
@@coolcatbaron never taken the watch to anyone to adjust it
They are both the exact same movement. The difference is where they are built. One is built in Japan and the other in Malaysia. TMI is the company that makes them. Both movements are NH-35
I received the same watch with the TMI movement in Dcember 2021, and have worn it 24/7 since then.
It is way more accurate than my other copy with the yellow rotor.
It operates at about +4 seconds/day, which is within COSC standards for a chronometer.
I see the lack of yellow as a bonus, but that is a matter of opinion.
Io come te la stessa cosa.
If you buy a seiko with an nh35 ...theyre exactly the same (not yellow)
thank you, U have taken a weight off my shoulders
TMI= Trade mark inc.
They got rid of the yellow back , people complained it looked cheap with the yellow thing
I just picked one of these up expecting a yellow balance mech but got a silver one - but no complaints because its incredibly accurate, lost a couple of seconds in 24 hours. Seems like some of these movements vary depending on where they're assembled
I've got the same blank one without the yellow, but I'm super happy with the accuracy. A steady -3s is what I witness daily.
They sent you a Pro Diver with an NH35. For whatever reason, Invicta didn't swap out the rotor. Maybe they ran out.
So what's the problem? It's an Invicta, you didn't exactly buy the watch for it's awesome internal substance!
btw I have the same two-colour as you, as homages go it's not too bad.
Leson to be learned: It's in Invicta, don't expect too much. It's not a Steinhart.
I have only one of the Pro Divers in my collection. It has an Orange Bezel, which I like...I call it my Halloween watch! I keep it in a watch winder, as I do with my 4 Automatic Grand Divers. One of my Grand Divers is from when Invicta's first put out the Grand Diver...so it's a 44 mm ( I think ) and I was told it has ETA 2824-2 movement....since this one was an early 2004 or 05. All I know is I took it to my jeweler, and he told me it had an ETA 2824-2...which I was pleasantly surprised! I keep it, along with my other automatics in watch winders...and they're almost as accurate as a quartz watch!
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NH35A is Seiko automatic movement they have been using
I have bought 30 of these and I am Happy, no problems for ten years best buy for many many years.
I just got the 42MM Pro Diver ... it does have the NH35A movement, but it doesn't have the yellow balance piece on the movement. On Amazon the photo also didn't have it but the video did. I wish it was yellow, but you can't see it so oh well. Also it came in a cardboard box, not the nice yellow box, again, oh well, it's an inexpensive watch -- everything else about it is great.
Very interesting video and very insightful comments regarding Invicta movements. I enjoy my Invicta divers with the Japanese and Swiss movements. I am no watch snob, owning Rolex to Timex watches. I congratulate you on your channel . Blessings…
The best Invicta to buy is the Pro Diver 9937 with the Selita SW200 movement. It has the solid end links with the milled clasps. Not like some of the others that have the cheap pressed clasps and with the 9937 the quality control is spot on flawless. It was my introduction to watches, and I lucked out with this purchase. Truth be told its a $200 purchase and I was skeptical about the less expensive choice without any knowledge of the different movements in them, but I quickly learned the higher the price in movements the better in most cases. I wear it more than my high-end luxury watches and I brought it in 2017.
Thanks will look into this one
A San Martin or Cronos is better, even with PT5000 because the finishing, Sapphire Crystal, Ceramic Bezel and Lume. If you are on a budget, get a Bliger (you get a sterile or custom dial if you perfer) with PT5000, Sapphire Crystal, Ceramic Bezel, Solid links, Milled Clasp with "Glide Lock" Quick Adjust for around $110-120 and another $25 for custom dial if you want one.
Is the pro the same size as this one
Thanks for the heads up. Nice Invicta upgrade.
Currently, £335 on amazon. Would it hurt them to put a sapphire crystal on it for that price?
The fact that you have two and purchased another one speaks for itself. They are nice looking watches and seem to run well from many who have had them for years including a few watch repair reviews which stated they give a lot of watch for the money.
3:49 - - It's actually SII not S11.
SII = Seiko Instruments, Inc.
TMI = Time Module, inc.
Both are part of the Seiko Epson corporation.
Continuing with the rest of the video now 🙂
Cheers
Thanks.
I've ordered a bunch of NH35 movements from China (TMI) for my own watch builds, and I would not read too much into an individual movements accuracy or reliability. The accuracy will vary, and they tend to settle towards a stable seconds per day variation after a few weeks or months. You can regulate them, if you are so inclined, and you can get them easily within +/- 5 spd. That being said, this will be affected how you hold the watch, meaning that it makes a difference whether you sit all day or whether you move a lot, just a variation of how you hold the watch and implicitly the movement. (You can very much see the effect if you rotate a watch on a timegrapher.) As an individual you can buy these movements for about $30, but I'm sure they are less expensive wholesale. You will only get so much QC at this price, and the same goes for the overall watch. (And long-term accuracy and reliability will depend on how the movement was put together.) I'm actually surprised that the quality of Invicta watches is as good as it is. The issue doesn't really go away with other movement types, at least not automatically, because the QC will depend on the cost of labor at the country of origin, and the degree of automation at the manufacturer.
The advantage of the NH35 is that it is a known quantity, meaning that there are many examples where these movements have lasted a long time, and a low amplitude and beat rate contribute to that, which also limits their accuracy to some degree. Parts availability is very high, and I can swap a movement within 30 minutes. I've been lucky, and have yet to have one of these movements fail on me, even though I I've made mistakes while regulating or casing them.
I would adjust my expectations accordingly when ordering a mechanical watch at or below $100.
I have a vintage Pro diver with Miyota movement in it. Then they went to the Seiko NH35.
The yellow thing in the rotor is just a sticker, the movement is the same, a NH35A made by Time Module Inc (TMI), the factory the Seiko group has in Malaysia. That's all. It's the very same watch. Just with or without a sticker.
Thank You!!!!!! Hey, Some People Like their Stickers...... 😆😆🤣 IMHO the Malaysia Movements do not have same QC as the Japanese. I have Invicta Malaysia Movements fail with in a year of buying them. I quit buying them.
@@MrCuckoobox the problem is, both SII and TMI are not produced in Japan. The Seiko group doesn't manufacture anything on japanese land except for the expensive watches (>300€), and it's not 100% japanese made. It can vary from the parts of the movement to the handwork. Grand Seiko are much more "true japanese" than regular Seikos. For instance, Seiko 5 watches are not at all made within japanese borders; the expenses of japanese workers simply can't comply with a 100€ watch.
In that regard, both TMI and SII are of the same QC, at least on paper. I haven't had any problems with TMI, nor they are less accurate, but that may be my personal experience.
S11 is actually SII for Seiko Instruments Inc.
Thanks for sharing mate, I believe there are some watches that are suspect. Glad you challenged the system.
Oddly...a few minutes ago I looked at Invicta ProDiver watches... lost mine somewhere. Nice watch.
i odered 15 pro diver from Invicta website and all of them dont have the yellow rotor. I am very dissapointed. I can not exchange them because those watches was sent to me in Vietnam. What should i do now?
Got mine today - black/silver face + brushed silver rotor just like the first one you showed in the vid. Bought from the official Invicta storefront on Amazon. I was a bit disappointed at first because I loved the sweet touch of a yellow rotor, however, I'm not sending it back. Same movement - that's what matters. I've googled a lot of people are getting these silver rotors these days. Cost cutting I guess.
Thanks very much for this info. I’ve purchased many Invictas from Amazon and have read reviews of people questioning the authenticity. I’ve been fortunate so far but this is good info.
Mine also does not have the yellow sticker. Just plain rotor.
The part of he movement that Is usually yellow on an Invicta Is the rotor, not the balance.
It is a NH35A movement still. Looks to be more like cost cutting from the looks of it as it cost more to make a custom rotor
There has been some production shortages of NH35 movements because of the pandemic.
These are the same movement but from a different factory that's all!
Just bought 4 invictas all of them have yellow NH35R movement
-August 2022
I have a new Pro Diver and they did change movements, mine has a Swiss Movement......
i have the silver one. It's my most accurate watch.
Great content, I received my model today via official Amazon, I was disappointed because it came with the silver rotor and not the yellow one, as a collector's item I believe it makes a personal difference, but I believe that Amazon will not pay due attention to searching their stock a model with a yellow rotor, given the high sales demand for the model, all of them must have already been sold in Brazil. Mine came with an impressive plastic box with a lock, at least that to compensate.
Me too! Aconteceu a mesma coisa comigo! Recebi na caixa toda bonita mas veio sem o adesivo! Amanhã eu vou olhar na coleção pra ver se algum outro modelo não tem o adesivo amarelo
I'd of put it on a watch timegrapher app and if it was running okay forgot about it. What a thing to make a fuss about.
I'd be willing to bet the yellow part that says Invicta is probably just an additional small piece of metal that is epoxied to the same movement.
S-eleven or Seiko Instruments Inc hence "SII"? Further at 4:40 "NH35A" is clearly visible which is the Seiko time + date movement they have used for a long time.
I bought two Pro Divers from Invicta, the 1953 and the 8926OB. They no longer have the yellow rotor. Disappointing to some, but it doesn't affect the operation or value of the unit.
I remembered ShopHQ said that the NH35A will not always be painted anymore due to mass production and cost.
Got the same silver rotor with the Grand Diver, NH35A movement.
ST stands for Standard Movement. They are a Chinese brand and are used in many Chinese and other watch brands mostly micro brands. The general consensus is that they are cheaper and inferior to the Japanese brands and you were probably right to exchange it.
His watch had a TMI movement, not ST
@@michaelhorn5491 Lol you're absolutely right. Don't know where I got ST from.
Just ordered 8926ob and mine came with a silver rotor. Im hanging onto it. This will be known as the Invicta 8926 covid 19 model one day. Probably be a more rare watch.
If you don't like it don't buy it , stands too reason .I like invicta , cheap as chips , not bad quality .Lots of people complain about invictas marketing policies , so dont buy it then . Like i said some of them are good .Looks good .great vid .
ive heard of these invicta's before . the "sterile" version. it happens and has been around for years. i myself own a pro driver, but it came in a different box. its not the leather look, yellow or grey. its a fully cardboard box. there are many types of boxes, movements and such
Cheers ST.
Just a seiko nh35. They either have that option or the Selitia 200
I recently bought my first Invicta (second hand), and it has some discrepancies that I've found. First, it does have the silver balance weight, but it is marked S11. It also has the model number 8926, but has the bezel of an 8926OB. I don't know how to date it, but if the numbers between the jugs is a date, then it's from 2011.
The part thats usually yellow on an Invicta that spins around is the rotor, not the balance weight.
S11 is actually SII, which is for Seiko Instruments, Inc.
My first Invicta Watch was a Pro-Diver with a blue face and the back behind was silver and on the face said JAPAN MOVMNT and that my roommate stole that watch now mine has a yellow back and that one I bough it at the Invicta Store in Aventura Mall and I got a Mickey Mouse watch for free as to say the new ones don’t say JAPAN MOVMNT on the face but on the back it said Assembled in Malaysia with Japanese Movement, and probably TMI is based in Hong Kong and it says on the back for the one you bought Assembled in China with Japanese Movement just like everything else is Assembled in China.
Anyway nice watch and I bet the one with the TMI one is solid as the ones that says JAPAN MOVMNT on the face.
I bet the early ones where Swiss Made with ETA movement and probably next they will go to say Assembled in Philippines With Swiss Movement, as Timex will be next to assemble them but with Swiss parts.
Time Module Inc. is a subsidiary of Seiko Epson, and the first watch did have an NH35. Weird that it didn't get the yellow rotor, though. And it's not S11, it's SII (Seiko Instruments Inc.) I also heard somewhere that older versions of the ProDiver used a Miyota movement that didn't have a yellow rotor.
That's true, I have had some of those! Sold them to buy new ones!
All you've said is true in my experience! I've been buying pro divers since the beginning of modern Invicta!
I just got an invicta pro diver, and it came in a snap down "heavy duty" plastic box.
I have on right now my 8928 prodiver automatic, it's my Invicta rolex,😀
All of them don't have the yellow winding wheel , and the Model number is what's most important. ⌚
Thank you !
So do these suck ?
I think I have the same Invicta with the silver rotor but mine has a blue dial. I too thought it was fake. I even posted on Facebook that it was fake.
It's a good thing you didn't get a NOS version of that Pro Diver. You would have freaked out 😳
They came with the Miyota 8215 prior to Invicta switching to the Seiko movement 🤔
The only "undressed" (unpainted) rotors I've ever seen from Invicta are Miyota, the Chinese brand I don't recall the name of; and the Sellita. The Sellita is "dressed" different.
Anyway, glad you were able to get your concern resolved 👍.
Thank you
Hi , I bought the black 30091 42mm with the silver rotor too, I was want the yellow one rotor but this one works fine for me. Read all the comments am sure that's not fake, I hope so 😂
Even many of the venerable and iconic Seiko SKX Diver's
have the Seiko Malaysian made movements.
So… being a complete beginner at watches, yet also being a pro Googologist I seem to have gleaned some points:
TMI = Made in China
Also noted, authentic models have, “Japan Movt” at the six o’clock position. This can be seen on the Invicta website.
I almost bought a TMI without the Japan Movement text but got lucky and noticed in one of the write-ups on one of the 5 Pro Divers I was debating over.
- One was SII without the Japan Movt.
- One was TMI.
- and the one I bought, which is SII with Japan Movt at 6 on face.
Perhaps in other peoples minds a Seiko is a Seiko, and maybe they’re correct.
To me, Made in Japan was worth the extra $5USD.
Thought I would share since I learned a lot from everyone posting data and especially for the video creator who made this all possible.
Thank you!
Hi from NY, tmi stands for time module incorporated
I have the 9937ob Pro-diver, it has a Sellita SW200-1 Swiss auto (+3secs/day), a thinner 12mm case (with a little smaller engraving) chunkier bracelet with solid end links and milled clasp and flame fusion crystal (little slice of sapphire on top of mineral) $170 from Jomashop....Man! I love this Watch!
Oh yeah!! It comes in a decent hard sliding lid box nothing like the standard flip top ones
That is a Definite Step Up and a Great Price given the SW200 Movements go for $200 or more themselves. I have had several Swiss Pro Divers with 2824 ETAs and SW200s with Sapphire Crystals.. They had Aluminum Bezels.... I see the newer versions have Stainless Steel Bezels and Flame Fusion Crystals. Stainless is better but Flame Fusion isn't...... The other week point is the bracelet with pressed clasp and pins - you will get a year or so out of it as a "daily wrist wearer". Invicta should pull out the "stops" and finish building a good watch if you are going to use SW200 by using a Sapphire Crystal, a Ceramic Bezels, Screw Links and Full Milled Clasp. The extra cost is not that big of a deal.
The "Other BIG" Issue with Invicta is their Service Center - IWSC in Salt Lake City is Horrible. They "Lost" my wife's Watch and refused to "Replace" it. They took forever to respond and gave me the run-around. ZERO Customer Service. If your Invicta needs Servicing I WOULD NOT SEND There. Nor would I have them do Warranty Work. They are a "Bunch of Mormon Crooks." More or less you are on your own with Invicta, once you purchase one. If you need service or repair find a local "watch person". Over all, IMHO they are not worth buying because I have had more issues than I care to say. The QC is lacking. I have had far few issues with Ali Express Brands such San Martin, Bliger and Parnis to name a few.
Not all Invicta watches have the yellow rotor but they are still the same NH35 movement made by tmi witch is owned and made by seiko
I have many invictas in my collection. I just recently bought my first Invicta automatic watch from the Invicta website, and it came with the silver rotor.
I am pretty disappointed and was expecting the yellow. So here I am searching on TH-cam why I didn't get the yellow on the back. I'm still going to keep it, but if I get another automatic I hope to get one with yellow on the back. It looks cooler than a plain silver. I got the model # 36746.
I love the watch tho, its a minor detail but kinda irks me.
I bought recently my 89260B with silver rotor, at first glance I am disappointed but the movement seem perfect.- With regards to the YELLOW rotor my view is its all about badge enhancement a sort of marketing factor by Invicta, but due to high demand the production cannot accommodate the time with this colored rotor I guess nonetheless its the same NH35A standard.
My mate did bring back a fake Invicta from holiday in Mexico a few years back(:
Couldn't believe it Haha
Ps i own quite a number of them have 2 lovely Bronze models .
It's a quality control issue.
Quality control department was out to lunch..
I just ordered the 89260B and got the silver rotor, ordered it again, silver rotor, and again, silver rotor. All three from Amazon, and each had a different style box. One had a huge waterproof thing, crazy. Sent them all back and ordered the 42 mm. Model. Don’t care for the silver rotor.
So the color the rotor is different and you don't like because it's not yellow but the color of the replacement box is different and you do like it because its NOT yellow....? That just struck me funny. I've seen several pictures online with the "not-yellow" rotor so I guess I wouldn't have been surprised as much. I don't know why they are different. But I get why you want what you receive to match the pictures of what you ordered. Glad you got what you wanted from amazon!
Thanks. Actually the replacement had a different Color box which was not a big deal but It did have the yellow rotor which I was happy with.
Interesting, I have a gold grandmaster with the yellow counterweight. Some reviews from big utubers hate the yellow. Maybe they stopped yellow on some because the feedback has been negative.
I don’t mind the yellow at all. It’s rather attractive. One must keep in mind most invicta are under 100 dollars. For that price point how you going wrong for the quality ?
i received the prodriver today. the rotating movement is yellow. I liked the steel one. Dont like the yellow color.
What I think happened is that you got an older model, one without the yellow wind rotor. From what I understand, the watches that have the yellow rotor come in that god-awful plastic transparent and yellow box. My Grand Diver #3049 from 2012 also came in the nice box like that but the rotor was silver. It has words all over it, but it's silver.
I have 10 in total 6 have a yellow rotor 4 do not all are stamped in tiny letters nh35a
Thanks. I’ve not seen one before and threw me off but do prefer the traditional yellow.
@@streviews4u I completely understand because when I received the first couple they did not have the yellow sticker on them and I was freaking out a bit thinking I got screwed but working on the same logic of you who would fake a f****** $60 watch I busted out the magnifying glass and could see where the nh35a was stamped into the rotor
@@streviews4u now if you really want to upgrade that watch get you a 20 mil oyster glide lock bracelet off of eBay for $28 they also have the two tone I did it to just about all of my Invictus makes them much more comfortable
My Pro Diver S2 from 2006 does not have the yellow automatic movement. It looks to have a different movement compared to the newer ones.
Same I have a 4469 Swiss made on the dial. No ugly yellow rotor. 2003 has a sw200 with black MOP.
I got the same thing. I called invicta told me they stopped the yellow roter nolonger going to use it. I know sucks
The yellow balance is just a sticker to cover the fact that the watch was made in Malaysia.
To me the yellow plate is just for easy to details the black letters using paints for easy to read
The silver plate without paints,all the letters details are etch (stamp) to the metal which is little hard for to read but more professional way of the products mean to be
it looks like someinecforgot insertingvthe yellow part which covers the part that says it is made in Malasya.
I think INVICTA has a new CEO and as they always do, they are cost cutting i will not buy without the yellow.
Does it have flame fusion dial, would be listed on back
They can’t win. When the rotor is yellow people complain. Now they’re just not painting it people complain. So much hate for these watches. But you only catch flack when you’re over the target. I love Japanese cars Acura mainly Lexus ofcourse and I love having a Japanese engine in my watch.
I love these watches I have 2. But if the advertisement has yellow then I expect yellow also.
@@streviews4u I apologize. I was speaking in generalities
TY,,,,,,WOW incredible very interesting super kool ,1st class great info.,, AAAAAAAAAAA++++++++++++ again great video I liked it a lot ,keep up the great work.
My guess would be is that the movement was replaced by a third party company that may or may not have been an authorised repair facility.
Hi, Sir. I recently purchase a Invicta pro diver watch as same as in your video. I don't know if it's normal I can click the bezel face, and it goes up and down a little bit and have a click sound. It feels as if the bezel inside is not fully sealed and come a little bit loose. I am thinking to have it exchanged via Amazon but I worry if this is normal behavior, the replacement would be the same anyway. I wonder if any of your Invicta pro diver watches have the same problem?
Hi. Mine is very firm so not much movement and solid clicks.
Did you get the Swiss One?
I have no idea 😊
There is no mistery. During Covid19, Invicta has published an announcement that it is hard to get customized NH35 movements from Seiko, so to keep up with their production numbers and avoid delays, there will be models produced with a non-custom NH35 movements, which is what you jave there. This was very clear announcement, and visible on their site. I have bought a few watches like that, don't mind it.
I might be mistaking, but I think Aragon have done the same.
Btw, from which store on Amazon you bought this? It's not from Amazon directly.
I got it Amazon direct from Australia.
think that the yellow barbell many do not like, as well as the side writing INVICTA ..... I personally like it and I see it as a peculiarity in the end wants homage not clones
Word of advice....order directly from Invicta! You may pay a tad more and may or may not get free shipping but you are getting authentic product. I ordered an Invicta Venom a few years back and to my surprise, it was a knock off. So, fakes do exist. But as far as TMI goes, thats a movement that is also made by Seiko. Invicta is NOT a cheap watch maker. They've been around since mid 1800's and have made some fine watches. My dad had one from 1976 and it is beautiful and high quality. They do make "budget" models but they also make $3000+ models that are absolutely stunning. Too many people expect Rolex or Tag performance but not the price. Well, thats not gonna happen. With that being said, you get top notch product for a Casio or upper end Timex price.
Invicta can be a inexpensive watch, but not normally cheap. I’ve only had one Chinese quarts model fail. Most of my invicta a are Swiss , I have a couple of automatics though that are japense movements
@@max420thc even Japanese movements can be fine time pieces. Too many people think if it doesn't say this or that, it's gotta be cheap. Not the case. I have a G-Shock that is 26 years old and is still going strong and one of my best watches
Absolutely, Japanese make a fine time piece . I’m not a fan of g shock but I have seen a couple of models that were attractive. I like metal and shinny watches with attractive colors.
I'd be interested to know if the watch was 'sold' by Amazon or by a third party and dispatched by Amazon. I have a slight issue with the Invicta 1953 which arrived with a different colour text on the dial to the one I ordered. It was dispatched by Amazon but sold by a different party.
mine was sold by Amazon AU
@@streviews4u Invicta Men's 8926OB Pro Diver Collection Coin-Edge Automatic Watch on Amazon USA shows the yellow rotor
Does it keep time?............the end.
IN MY OPINION THE SEIKO NH35A MOVEMENT IS A LOT BETTER THAN THE TMI CHINESE MOVEMENT. I HAVE MY 8926OB FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW & IT OPERATES AT +/- 2 SPD. IT DOESN'T GET MUCH BETTER THAN THAT.
8926OB is my second best behind 4469 with sw200.
the watch is cheap and then its getting cheaper wtf! i do like with yellow rotor on it.. i donno why they do that on silver
I would never ever buy a automatic dive watch that does not have sapphire glass and a ceramic bezel as standard' I've got San Martin and steeldive watches that cost a fraction of the price of Seiko watches and the like and I've never had a problem with there quality control and there movements always work like a dream' you can buy a San Martin with sapphire glass ceramic bezel and SW200 Swiss movement' for still a cheaper price than watches with a basic automatic movement..✌️🧐🇬🇧
I watch shop HQ shopping network on TV we're they host the invicta brand, that's we're I buy my watches from, anyway the said that they were getting rid the yellow rotors because peoples were complaining about those rotors, it's not a fake.
Thx. I was more curious as the Amazon advertisement had the yellow one and I received the silver which is not what I was expecting or seen before.
How much to get me 1 here in Jamaica? 🤔
Why does this matter???
The yellow is just a sticker its the same and the both say tmi look