The Dual motor is more stable braking in slippery winter conditions with the front motor's regen, many say that RWD feels a little more unstable with only Rear Motor regen. The other issue is dual motor offers better winter charging performance as both motors are used for heating when required like battery preconditioning.
I priorize battery technology and efficiency over having an AWD. I love my Model Y RWD LFP with BYD battery. I will only be switching to AWD if they release a LFP based Model Y successor in the future. Newer LFP battery generations will have denser energy capacity which will make that possible.
Interesting result. Thanks for all the testing you do Bjørn. 😀 Also interesting that the price difference RWD to AWD is only about $1000. Not worth it to give up premium audio and AWD. In the US the price diffference is $3000 for the Y and $5000 for the 3.
Had my first MYP (2021) experience two weeks ago. Loved the infotainment but the soundproofing wasn’t as good as I was hoping. I had too much road noise compared to the e-208 I usually drive.
All Wheel Drive describes any drive train that can power both the front axle and rear axle, whether or not it can power either independently. Most vehicles have a computer system to optimize which axles (or wheels) to send power to in a given situation. Four Wheel Drive (4WD) is traditionally a drive mode in vehicles that are actually capable of serious off-roading, which the driver manually engages. It lock the front and rear axles together, so that they receive equal power and rotate at the same speed. So AWD = computer controlled system, can help you maintain traction in wet weather 4WD = drive mode the driver manually engages when going through extreme weather or terrain - There is a physical (or digital nowadays) selector
Out of spec review tested all the model 3 versions and in there test the LR rwd m3 had by far the best range. They did a side by side test so the conditions where the same 😊
Kind of true. AWD can disconnect the other rear/front wheels, but if it does most of the time it does it automatically. Nearly all EV's do that to save energy. 4WD has transfer case, and you need to manually choose front/rear wheel drive or 4WD
This car is efficient, thumbs up to that. I like the driving experience of my Volvo more than with any Tesla I've driven though, so I'll stick with it. Also, my C40 has 4WD which is also a requirement for my current car. (I live in Sweden and this will be the first winter where I have 4WD. I'm so looking forward to it.)
Over time it knows based on how rotational speed changes for a given speed. (Measured at tire vs GPS speed). It only works right if you first install tires new and let the car know it has new tires.
I've had a model Y LR AWD made in Berlin for a month now. I find it very comfortable and quiet, nothing like my previous model 3 LR 2021. When I installed my sexy buttons commander, I noticed that there are now insulating inserts on the side panels (and maybe elsewhere) between the carpet and the body. That's certainly what makes the difference.
After 100,000 km with a 2020 pre-facelift Model 3 Long Range, I got this car 4 months ago and have now driven 18,500 km with it. I like it and don’t miss the all-wheel drive from the Model 3. Of course, it’s not as fast when accelerating and is a bit slower overall, but that’s not a dealbreaker.
9:01 Long press the car menu button!! Try to enter motorway with cruise set to 70-8kmh. Guess what happens to cruise speed, when you are incoming lane😂😂 Its just jumps to motoway speed without any information or warning!!!
A german channel already did a live consumption comparison test of AWD vs RWD, the result was 0 difference in consumption. The test was mostly Autobahn, where you would want more range, but it seems the better efficiency is only noticeable in city driving unfortunately.
It makes sense. The awd (lr) model y uses mostly the rear motor. That can be checked in sexy app. Front motor comes into action only under rapid acceleration or if slippery or when doing battery preconditioning. In highway cruise without aggressive acceleration it is rear motor only. However I’m not able to reach the consumption of the rwd with my awd lr. Or may it is due to my loathing of chill mode 😅
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Recently my wife and I went on a long trip and took turns driving. As I have an S3XY knob in my car, I switched on their app and noticed on the dashboard that the front engine uses almost no power during normal motorway driving. For this kind of driving, the difference between FWD and AWD won't be significant. I'm sure it will be more noticeable in bad weather conditions or when driving more sharply, when the AWD model's front engine is used more.
when awd&rwd model would be tested with same tires also the wltp would be the same. that’s the main difference in the claimed range. awd model was homoligated with 20” and the rwd with 19” in the wltp
Hi....... just back form a Havila cruise up the coast from Bergen and Kirkenes and back, had a fabulous time seeing your beautiful country. Also was in Oslo for a few days, took the train to Bergen. Watching your videos convinced me to buy my Tesla M3 RRD. It has the LFP battery. Made in China. All is going great,love the car, now has 32,900 km on it and an avg. of 132 wh/km. I know that the lower this number is the better, but is this good. I have nothing to compare it to. Thanks John
Great video as always Mr Bjørn.Can you please do the sound test on each car as well? Let say at 50, 110 and 130 km/h with decibel meter. With electric cars noise is very important as there is no engine noise.
there are noise tests in the excel sheet (check the "Results from my range tests, banana box tests and other goodies here:" link in the description), for this LR RWD also with this winter tyres. (80,100,120km/h)
@ so at lower speeds it’s more efficient than the LR AWD. On the motorway the two cars are about the same for some reason. Will you be making the Sunday drive and/or the 1000 km challenge in the LR RWD?
Wipers! I heard your X-video. The wipers is bad on my old Model 3 and also the new MY LR 240925. Same issue. Its leaving stripes of smuts on Windows. Must be a construction-fault. I have tested new blades.
My theory is that there is variance in Tesla's components quality like battery (internal resistance?), motors, inverters you name it. That is why the results differ even when performed under similar conditions. Would be great to test 2 or more identical cars and compare consumption. Also asphalt quality, temeperature and tyres play a big role, but I think Björn uses the same route.
Agreed. Particularly it would be good to quantify the effect of outside temperature. I know it's going to be difficult to isolate the one effect. But it is important since it clearly has quite a big impact.
4WD vs. AWD: Back in the ICE age, 4WD did not have a center differential. Therefore it could only be used on dirt and gravel roads that allow tire slip between front and rear axles. AWD has a center differential, allowing it to be active at all times on all roads. However, with out the center lock, if only one wheel loses traction no torque goes to the other three wheels, so not so good for challenging roads, often marked with "4WD Only" signs.
How about this car having a NMC battery which you are advised to charge to 80% versus the standard RWD which has a LFP battery which you can charge up to 100% regularly?
You can’t. Tesla advises to charge to 100% every now and then to recalibrate, but not regularly. It does the same harm as for the NMC. There’s a video “How to ruin your electric car’s battery - LFP edition” scientifically explaining that.
Sorry to say, new data have shown that LFP does also degrade as NMC with high state of charge. So for daily charging 100% is not recommended. But on the other hand LFP needs to be charged to 100% at least every 1-4 weeks to calibrate the BMS.
It may be efficient, but there's an argument to buy a car with a bigger battery especially if you mostly charge at home since the extra cost is negligible.
10 to 80% in 32-33 minutes is not state of the art anymore Tesla should improve the charging speed, the Panasonic battery finished in 25 minutes and that was impressive back then, then the LG battery came out :-( I would expect 18-20 minutes as good for current “standard”
5:20 this car is too difficult to drive... on on on my previous car i read the pressure only and it' was more fun TURBO between 1 and 1.8, enjoy and basta. Je suis décu par contre qu'un youtubeur avec un o barré pour ne nous fasse pas la pub d'une autre marque bien de chez eux, mais bon, les viking ce n'est plus ce que c'était
If he had voted for and supported the Democrats (as he did in previous years), the new Tesla model might as well be called the "Tesla Harris."? Or is that something totally different?
Fossil fuel propaganda has rotted your brain... Elon has been influencing Trump. Trump will not change Elon... Democrats have been on the attack and basically forced Elon to first go for RFK and then the Republicans when RFK dropped out...
Don't think the Seal is great on efficiency, but it has stalks from the get go, and that's probably worth about $4k. It's the difference between a proper grown-up car and something where you have to go geeky and faff with hobbyist gadgets just to achieve the basics.
@@IstvanDarabos I hardly saw any Tesla's five years ago just like Lucid now. Lucid Air GT 750km at 113km/h and 850km at mixed highway/road. th-cam.com/video/tjZ0VYYJin0/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/cZnlLdCi484/w-d-xo.html Lucid Air Pure 587km at 113km/h th-cam.com/video/O4W20d9j93A/w-d-xo.html
@@sworksm552 Musk, like any other American, has the right to vote and support either of the two major political parties. While I personally disagree with his choice, it's his constitutional right as a citizen. Now, people are upset with him for not supporting the Democrats-even though the party has often been at odds with Tesla and SpaceX.
See you trolling? Poor ergonomics? Poor tech, ive driven alot of cars and Tesla ergonomics and tech is definetly up there, do you get paid to spread this misinformation or are you just stupid?
The Dual motor is more stable braking in slippery winter conditions with the front motor's regen, many say that RWD feels a little more unstable with only Rear Motor regen. The other issue is dual motor offers better winter charging performance as both motors are used for heating when required like battery preconditioning.
I really like how properly calm you are in this :) beats hyperactivity anyday
I'm currently sick in bed with the "C virus" and watching your videos cheers me up.
Get well soon!
@thedatroxde thank you
I’m recovering as we speak, two weeks into it.
@@johnnyquid-xj4kk Get well soon too
I priorize battery technology and efficiency over having an AWD. I love my Model Y RWD LFP with BYD battery. I will only be switching to AWD if they release a LFP based Model Y successor in the future. Newer LFP battery generations will have denser energy capacity which will make that possible.
Interesting result. Thanks for all the testing you do Bjørn. 😀 Also interesting that the price difference RWD to AWD is only about $1000. Not worth it to give up premium audio and AWD. In the US the price diffference is $3000 for the Y and $5000 for the 3.
Premuim Audio are in all Long Range models
@@stal5861Only in the Model Y. I heard the Model 3 Highland LR RWD does not come with the premium Audio
@@johannesf.2524 Ok, thanks for that info. I was only thinking about MY
Had my first MYP (2021) experience two weeks ago. Loved the infotainment but the soundproofing wasn’t as good as I was hoping. I had too much road noise compared to the e-208 I usually drive.
All Wheel Drive describes any drive train that can power both the front axle and rear axle, whether or not it can power either independently. Most vehicles have a computer system to optimize which axles (or wheels) to send power to in a given situation. Four Wheel Drive (4WD) is traditionally a drive mode in vehicles that are actually capable of serious off-roading, which the driver manually engages. It lock the front and rear axles together, so that they receive equal power and rotate at the same speed.
So AWD = computer controlled system, can help you maintain traction in wet weather
4WD = drive mode the driver manually engages when going through extreme weather or terrain - There is a physical (or digital nowadays) selector
Out of spec review tested all the model 3 versions and in there test the LR rwd m3 had by far the best range. They did a side by side test so the conditions where the same 😊
Would like to see the range test on the model 3 long range rwd
All-wheel drive (AWD) is always connected, 4wd you can disconnect it and go from 2 to 4wd. Awd is always ON. ABC, Always Be in Control
I have a 2019 LR AWD. I understood that the front motor only kicked in in certain circumstances and it isn’t permanently on
It`s not correct.
Kind of true. AWD can disconnect the other rear/front wheels, but if it does most of the time it does it automatically. Nearly all EV's do that to save energy. 4WD has transfer case, and you need to manually choose front/rear wheel drive or 4WD
@@richardanderson9340 thats true, the front motor only kicks in if needed.
Thank you for testing
This car is efficient, thumbs up to that. I like the driving experience of my Volvo more than with any Tesla I've driven though, so I'll stick with it. Also, my C40 has 4WD which is also a requirement for my current car. (I live in Sweden and this will be the first winter where I have 4WD. I'm so looking forward to it.)
9:35 how does the car know it has low tire thread depth???
Over time it knows based on how rotational speed changes for a given speed. (Measured at tire vs GPS speed). It only works right if you first install tires new and let the car know it has new tires.
@ interesting!
Alien technology 🤯
Maybe 2nd motor is disconnected in the 4wd when cruising with constant speed???
How do you put a model y in neutral? AFAICT it always does regenerative braking no?
hold stalk
I've had a model Y LR AWD made in Berlin for a month now. I find it very comfortable and quiet, nothing like my previous model 3 LR 2021.
When I installed my sexy buttons commander, I noticed that there are now insulating inserts on the side panels (and maybe elsewhere) between the carpet and the body.
That's certainly what makes the difference.
12v disabled in latest update, they are afraid of people letting stuff plugged all the time that could catch fire and don't want to be liable
I think it's more about stuff plugged in messing up OTA updates or something, leaving a car stranded. That's an expensive oopsie.
The 12V/16V outlets are disabled only when car is in Park, as a safety measure to prevent fire risk.
After 100,000 km with a 2020 pre-facelift Model 3 Long Range, I got this car 4 months ago and have now driven 18,500 km with it. I like it and don’t miss the all-wheel drive from the Model 3. Of course, it’s not as fast when accelerating and is a bit slower overall, but that’s not a dealbreaker.
Wow what is this shit. So many excellent videos in a row from Bjorn! :)
Tesla decided to disable 12 V when the car is stationary (or empty?) due to safety reasons.
9:01 Long press the car menu button!!
Try to enter motorway with cruise set to 70-8kmh. Guess what happens to cruise speed, when you are incoming lane😂😂
Its just jumps to motoway speed without any information or warning!!!
A german channel already did a live consumption comparison test of AWD vs RWD, the result was 0 difference in consumption. The test was mostly Autobahn, where you would want more range, but it seems the better efficiency is only noticeable in city driving unfortunately.
It makes sense. The awd (lr) model y uses mostly the rear motor. That can be checked in sexy app. Front motor comes into action only under rapid acceleration or if slippery or when doing battery preconditioning. In highway cruise without aggressive acceleration it is rear motor only. However I’m not able to reach the consumption of the rwd with my awd lr. Or may it is due to my loathing of chill mode 😅
Recently my wife and I went on a long trip and took turns driving. As I have an S3XY knob in my car, I switched on their app and noticed on the dashboard that the front engine uses almost no power during normal motorway driving. For this kind of driving, the difference between FWD and AWD won't be significant. I'm sure it will be more noticeable in bad weather conditions or when driving more sharply, when the AWD model's front engine is used more.
Which one did that? Id like to watch thanks
when awd&rwd model would be tested with same tires also the wltp would be the same. that’s the main difference in the claimed range. awd model was homoligated with 20” and the rwd with 19” in the wltp
@@hardywoodaway9912 tesla claims with same tires its still over 30km difference between awd and rwd
Does the rwd and rwd long range charge the same engine? And also troque dip?
Motor not engine
@samusaran7317 thanks, you are correct
@@Blasterxp No problem bud
Really sucks for EU. Fsd solves most the autopilot issues
Wonder that they upgrade the RWD LFP 60kw to a RWD LR 82kw in the future
*kWh
@ haha indeed kWh. 82kw gonna be a real slow Tesla. Can’t hammer that!
@@pingumyNot really. "Slow" is awfully subjective
Hi....... just back form a Havila cruise up the coast from Bergen and Kirkenes and back, had a fabulous time seeing your beautiful country. Also was in Oslo for a few days, took the train to Bergen. Watching your videos convinced me to buy my Tesla M3 RRD. It has the LFP battery. Made in China. All is going great,love the car, now has 32,900 km on it and an avg. of 132 wh/km. I know that the lower this number is the better, but is this good. I have nothing to compare it to. Thanks John
Bjørn, would be much appreciated video with your opinion on which ev's are the best nowadays
Best for who? Families? Business man? Bachelor? Grandma?
Depends on the needs
Great video as always Mr Bjørn.Can you please do the sound test on each car as well? Let say at 50, 110 and 130 km/h with decibel meter. With electric cars noise is very important as there is no engine noise.
there are noise tests in the excel sheet (check the "Results from my range tests, banana box tests and other goodies here:" link in the description), for this LR RWD also with this winter tyres. (80,100,120km/h)
We need a review of the new Porsche Macan EV ❤
Why?
Kind of confusing that you get the very low consumption in the Hemsedal trip but not in this one.
Lower speeds
@ so at lower speeds it’s more efficient than the LR AWD.
On the motorway the two cars are about the same for some reason.
Will you be making the Sunday drive and/or the 1000 km challenge in the LR RWD?
LR RWD is tempting, but there are too many indirect benefits from two motors that win me over.
About to move to an EV. The choice at the moment is between the Audi Q6, Polestar 4 and Tesla Model Y. What would you recommend??
audi q6 if you have the money
Polestar 4 looks awesome
Q6
Totally different price ranges. If money doesn‘t matter, Q6
6:45 You won’t reach higher speeds with a heavier car, you can just maintain the speed longer when going straight again.
My new car for one month 😍 the price difference here in Denmark is a lot more than what you stated in the video rwd vs 4wd
Sre you sure you’re comparing Y LR RWD vs Y LR AWD?
Not bad at all comparing to the Mach e rwd Long range which has about 10kw more capacity its almost the same though The model y has 19 inch rims.
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Wipers! I heard your X-video. The wipers is bad on my old Model 3 and also the new MY LR 240925. Same issue. Its leaving stripes of smuts on Windows. Must be a construction-fault. I have tested new blades.
My theory is that there is variance in Tesla's components quality like battery (internal resistance?), motors, inverters you name it.
That is why the results differ even when performed under similar conditions. Would be great to test 2 or more identical cars and compare consumption.
Also asphalt quality, temeperature and tyres play a big role, but I think Björn uses the same route.
Agreed. Particularly it would be good to quantify the effect of outside temperature. I know it's going to be difficult to isolate the one effect. But it is important since it clearly has quite a big impact.
The tyre pressure was not correct.
Matrix light is a better-resolution adaptive light. It was named that way by German automobile manufacturers to differentiate themselves
4WD vs. AWD: Back in the ICE age, 4WD did not have a center differential. Therefore it could only be used on dirt and gravel roads that allow tire slip between front and rear axles.
AWD has a center differential, allowing it to be active at all times on all roads. However, with out the center lock, if only one wheel loses traction no torque goes to the other three wheels, so not so good for challenging roads, often marked with "4WD Only" signs.
You're reminding me of my Ford Bronco where I had to get out and manually lock the front hubs to enable 4WD. It was a total beast off pavement..
How about this car having a NMC battery which you are advised to charge to 80% versus the standard RWD which has a LFP battery which you can charge up to 100% regularly?
You can’t. Tesla advises to charge to 100% every now and then to recalibrate, but not regularly. It does the same harm as for the NMC. There’s a video “How to ruin your electric car’s battery - LFP edition” scientifically explaining that.
Sorry to say, new data have shown that LFP does also degrade as NMC with high state of charge. So for daily charging 100% is not recommended. But on the other hand LFP needs to be charged to 100% at least every 1-4 weeks to calibrate the BMS.
WHAT 9 DEGREES WE’RE ALMOST IN NOOOWWWWEEEEMBER NOW 🤪
It may be efficient, but there's an argument to buy a car with a bigger battery especially if you mostly charge at home since the extra cost is negligible.
Waiting for the model 3 LR RWD range test and 1000km challenge.
10 to 80% in 32-33 minutes is not state of the art anymore
Tesla should improve the charging speed, the Panasonic battery finished in 25 minutes and that was impressive back then, then the LG battery came out :-(
I would expect 18-20 minutes as good for current “standard”
Tesla Model M(AGAt)
AWD is all the time.
4WD is 2WD until you or the car enables the other axel.
5:20 this car is too difficult to drive... on on on my previous car i read the pressure only and it' was more fun TURBO between 1 and 1.8, enjoy and basta. Je suis décu par contre qu'un youtubeur avec un o barré pour ne nous fasse pas la pub d'une autre marque bien de chez eux, mais bon, les viking ce n'est plus ce que c'était
Trucks speed calibration is done with old worn out tyres and then new ones are fitted... That's what I heard drom a truckdriver.
there's €4000 difference between the RWD and LR RWD version in Germany. and €6000 more for the LR AWD. That's quite a jump between the 3 specs.
The new model will be called the Tesla Trump
If he had voted for and supported the Democrats (as he did in previous years), the new Tesla model might as well be called the "Tesla Harris."? Or is that something totally different?
Better that than "EV marxist Harris".
You know both Musk and Trump were Democrats before right?
Fossil fuel propaganda has rotted your brain... Elon has been influencing Trump. Trump will not change Elon... Democrats have been on the attack and basically forced Elon to first go for RFK and then the Republicans when RFK dropped out...
Special edition car, Tesla Chump
King of efficency and quality: BYD SEAL
Don't think the Seal is great on efficiency, but it has stalks from the get go, and that's probably worth about $4k. It's the difference between a proper grown-up car and something where you have to go geeky and faff with hobbyist gadgets just to achieve the basics.
but the charging speed is a letdown bro
3 and Y desperately need a bigger battery. So do X and S. This is really low and dated.
Is 600-700 km range not enough? Lol
@@bjornnyland 335km at 120km/h is really low and it's not even winter. Lucid has 850km and Silverado has 750km.
@@gledatelj1979how many lucid do you see on the road? And how many of them can do 850 kms going 120kmh?
@@IstvanDarabos
I hardly saw any Tesla's five years ago just like Lucid now.
Lucid Air GT 750km at 113km/h and 850km at mixed highway/road.
th-cam.com/video/tjZ0VYYJin0/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/cZnlLdCi484/w-d-xo.html
Lucid Air Pure 587km at 113km/h
th-cam.com/video/O4W20d9j93A/w-d-xo.html
Biggest problem with Tesla is to be seen in one!
Why?
@@sworksm552 Musk, like any other American, has the right to vote and support either of the two major political parties. While I personally disagree with his choice, it's his constitutional right as a citizen.
Now, people are upset with him for not supporting the Democrats-even though the party has often been at odds with Tesla and SpaceX.
See you trolling? Poor ergonomics? Poor tech, ive driven alot of cars and Tesla ergonomics and tech is definetly up there, do you get paid to spread this misinformation or are you just stupid?