Got tired of the AD waitlist for a GMT Pepsi. Went to the grey market, traded in a watch I wasn’t wearing and walked out with the Pepsi on the same day. I was just growing old waiting for the AD, now I’m wearing the watch as a daily.
I retired after 43 years of full time employment and always coveted owning a Rolex watch. Two years ago I attended my nearest (UK) AD and expressed an interest in an AIR KING, not heard a thing since. Brilliant summary of Rolex timepieces.
Sound advice, as always. Can’t fault it, this man knows his onions. Just a few points about buying from the grey, you’re not necessarily getting like for like. Some secondary dealers polish everything (mentioning no names) so the watch appears pristine and doesn’t come back. If you buy direct from the AD all the lines, edges and curves are as they should be straight out of the plastic before your eyes. All of the parts are 100% genuine from an AD as are the tag, warranty card box and papers. Let’s not get into bezels here but you get my point. You get the full 5 year warranty out of the gate. Plus, peace of mind - buying from the grey market you’ll never know 100% for sure if the watch is hot until it goes back to Rolex for a service; if there has been any dodgy dealing going on your grey guy may not even be around in 10 years time. So it’s not just the cash on the table to consider. Anyway just my 2c. “Exhibition only” signs appear to have gone from AD windows so now’s a great time to get the watch you want on your wrist. Belated Happy Birthday man and many happy returns!
Exhibition only signs are definitely not gone. Rolex started sending a lot of exhibition models around (with no warranty papers, no sale possible), to fill out shelves, allow people to try them on, and avoid the stupid empty stores that we saw 2 years ago. But people forget situation varies wildly from AD to AD and location to location. Getting a SS GMT or Daytona might be 5 or 10% easier than it was 2 years ago in NYC, LA, London or Paris... but it's still virtually impossible with no history. The models that started flowing again are the TT and full gold pieces, which are reselling below retail, as they already were. Regarding grey sellers, there are hundreds of highly reputable grey sellers with decades in business, brick and mortar stores, in house watchmakers, thousands of sales all over the world, and return/money back policies. Buy the seller and you won't have to worry about the issues you've described. And in the rare chance you do have an issue, they'll take the watch back and refund you because they won't destroy their business over a single watch. If you go for a dodgy price way below market from a private seller with no track record however, then don't be naive: either you're getting the deal of the century and should exercise extreme caution, or it's a scam.
It’s not ‘back to normal’, watch-makers have been furloughed in Switzerland, this down-turn has not levelled out, it’s still dropping. People are turning their backs on spending money on watches and getting back to other things it’s only the collectors that are still interested. There is also a significant recession in China and the US economy is on a knife edge of a recession, they cannot get their inflation under control. Btw, great video nonetheless, great insights into the current Rolex market but I wouldn’t mind betting Submariners and most stainless DJ’s will start trading below retail in the next 9-12 months, there is a glut of them out there.
The irony is that the great majority of Rolex sales are by people who are not particularly wealthy, but they aim to acquire a watch to appear wealthy within their social circles.
3:07 Always so interesting to hear about a submariner no-date being such a hot watch. When I bought my Submariner w/date they had 4 of the no-date subs they were having trouble selling. Of course that was 1994.
Thank you. Wonderful content. As a newby to the space - having never owned a single watch in my lifetime (67) - I've just 'registered' my interest (yikes) at a dealer ... and now it seems, I wait a year or two until they call me, when they have supply of what I want - which is an Explorer 2 (orange hand) white face. What a strange experience. Now , the waiting begins ...
It’s still difficult to get a piece from the crooked Rolex ADs. Some ADs, still that sell jewelry try to blackmail without any guarantee selling a piece you requested. Too many great brands available and no song and dance. Rolex would rather sell you a CPO anyway.
Great video Oisin back to basics with this video. . Teach some new watch beginners the real truth and pitfalls of the Rolex watch market. And give them some valuable information that may save them money and time to get their first Rolex watch.
You're absolutely right the Rolex rush was a strange thing that happened. What Rolex ADs and boutiques have to come to terms with is that during that time many of them really didn't behave very well towards a number of customers that they are going to need going forward. I've watched from a distance and it has definitely put me off. There are gorgeous watches out there at Rolex money - I don't think Rolex will get any money from me. Great video Oisin - always love your content, it's beautiful. Your shots are stunning.
Solid advice. The bottom line is if you want some popular models, you’d better already spent some money at the dealer. I agree on sometimes it’s just better to spend a little extra from grey market and move on with life. Rather than spending time and effort playing the dealer’s game.
I typically avoid watching channels like this because I can't afford featured items. However, I found this episode particularly excellent, perhaps because it showcased many rare pieces I didn't know existed, such as the rose gold teal Rolex. Thank you
Spot on, bro I walked into a Rolex A.D. last Sunday and I got offered a smooth bezel oyster steel black dial DJ41 and the rest you have to be on the waitlist. Watch, but it was a good sign to see that something was offered for first time Rolex buyer.
Spot on video, without the nonsense. I've been in three Rolex Ads in past 6 months, and the experience was far more pleasant, and one was honest enough to explain what I could reasonably expect. I was offered solid gold to walk out with, shorter wait times on Yachtmasters and Explorers, ...steel subs, GMTs and Daytonas still high demand long lead times. Also offered credit should I want it, whilst being served drinks. Anybody serious about buying a Rolex can use your advice, and potentially have a pleasant experience with an AD, with peace of mind it’s a genuine Rolex.
I wish I could find an honest dealer. I just get them saying pretty much everything they can to discourage me. They will give me absolutely no estimate on how long the wait is or if I'll ever get a watch if I wait. I'm asking for one of the least competitive OPs and they are pretending like it's a Starbuck. Of course ladies models are available to buy hint hint.
@@DadeMurphie that’s a wrong AD and a big no. Don’t bother to visit again, just look for others that are honest. They can be hard to find but they still exist! I did the same, I have a few around the corner which don’t sell anything to me. Then I went to another one 2,5 hours drive and it was like a whole new world. Very patient, polite and they give estimates. They don’t want customers to wait longer than 1 year, so if you get allocation then it’s always within a year and you have to make a deposit which confirms your request. So you know it’s a guaranteed call!
I visited an AD and was shopping around for a DATEJUST and ended up getting one the next week and I went back and was actually gonna settle for a Tudor. She made my day and it was a great experience to purchase my first AD piece. My original 1993 Day Date was purchased from the Diamond District. Too much shady business is going on in the Diamond District (in NYC) and I rather not support it.
2nd video of yours I’ve seen and you certainly have your own perspective. It’s very cool and I agree and I think several others as well are on the same page. I was recently put on a waitlist for the first time. In this case I’m 6 to 8 months out from really being ready for my first big purchase. Right now the Air-King is top of my list but I’m keeping an open mind.
Got a text from an AD. Didn’t see it for 2 hours. By the time I responded, watch was already gone. Mind you, it was less than a month from my visit. I wish they called instead , but they said they’ll be on the lookout.
pretty much spot on! UK West Mids here - no purchase history, took 4 years on the wait list to get my Explorer 2 Polar - got the call in June....shows the availability for the less popular stuff is getting better....
This is Oisin’s “Wheelhouse”…❤️💯👍 He loves watches, he does his homework and is knowledgeable….! I love to listen and watch him describe watches…. I love his photography….! He has done so many excellent videos when he had “The Timeless Watch Channel” and I miss that because nobody does this better than Oisin….. Forget the politics, this is his strong suit….! Love this Oisin…. This is YOU! ❤️💯👍 Greg
I watched your video on the 126622, loved it, and i finally got one after being on the list for 1.5yrs. Not sure why it took so long but while I was waiting i even acquired the BLNR (3mths) and the celebration OP36 (7mths) from the AD
Great review of the market right now, only one observation, the two tone yachtmaster 40mm price you mentioned it’s for the previous reference 116621, the new reference 126621 unworn 2024 it’s +18k before taxes in the grey market. In retail it’s 16k
What other massed produced item do you have to essentially beg to buy from a shop? I just don’t get it. Never paid retail price for any watch. The deals are around, do your homework and sometimes the thrill is in the chase.
Still on the wait list for a Pepsi after 5 years. Added a Rootbeer last December - got the call in less than 4 months. Very happy with mine too. That was my 4th Rolex in 40 yrs. Guess it will be another 10 for the Daytona ;¬D Greetings
Recently bought a 6 month old Datejust 41 steel & yellow gold , champagne flutted jubilee with papers for 11,250 on Grey market. Rolex uk have this configuration on for £13,050. So would've taken a haircut. Watch is immaculate & still had a sticker on the back. Wear it daily, so comfortable.
I visited an AD recently, the ‘exhibition’ watches are suddenly for sale, well Rolex are done for me, they teated me like s*** for years so they can stew on their stock.
All good and pretty accurate I’d say. The only thing which should be obvious (perhaps not to newbies) is that these are purchasing prices. Selling will be minus a good % commission so if you are keeping no problem. Strangely the CPO may offer you a good trade in price, better than other dealers even better if you are buying new (trade-in).
Excellent video, as always. I can’t afford any of them, but it’s good to hear the basic sub is still holding true if I come into some money. I’d be tempted with a discounted bright black OP if that was doable. Anyway, I just bought a Damasko, I love them, the DS30 is a modern day explorer, but even more suitable for exploring, haha. So I am happy with that for the next few years, if not forever.
Thank you for this informative video. I put my name down for a batman 3 or 4 months ago. I got a call last week for the rhodium yachtmaster because she recalled me showing interest in it. I ended up passing on it. Hope this does diminish my ability to get the gmt.
Well I got the Sea Dweller at an AD, as I have an 8.5 inch wrist. At the time I was aware that it would lose value, but I was concerned with warranty and whether it was genuine or not. Would I have preferred an offer for a submariner? Maybe, I hadn’t tried one on my big wrist. How large is your wrist given your stated preference for this watch? Does the GMT II fit proportionately for you?
I’ve been wait listed for 1 year at one AD, 6 mos. at 2 others for an explorer 1, 36mm. I visited them all Again last week and said any stainless Sub or Air King, but I’d still prefer the explorer. Hard to believe the stories about walk-in and get what you want.
you should try interlacken in the morning, I got mine there, except I need to purchase a IWC mark XVIII as well (better than other AD which make you buy tutor you don't want)
I hope you and all your family are all keeping well and healthy 🙏 ❤️ i love watching and listening to your videos, always genuine, honest content i think over the next 12 to 18 months you will start to see more Rolex timepieces available to buy from your Ad ? Look forward to watching your next video stay healthy positive. Happy and most importantly gratitude for the gift of precious life ✨️ peace and love ❤️
A valuable overview Oísin, thank you. Nice to see you gather up some sponsers on this one. Easy to watch them thru as they were very tolerably short. Cheers.
I’ve bought numerous Rolex from the AD and they’re still very hard to get. The shortest I’ve waited is about 1 year and in some cases, I’m still waiting. The Daytona, Blue Skydweller, and new Kermit are still really hard to get unless you buy a bunch of rubbish.
My wait was about a month. I showed the AD a lot of business before I decided to even ask for a Rolex, even if a lot of it was for maintenance on my two Movados. That’s not the same as showing them business just to get one.
It's a true story, I first was offered the white gold blue dial, I was then offered the rose gold chocolate dial on oyster flex and then finally I got the black dial stainless steel Daytona. I still have all three. The white gold blue dial is my favourite. The unboxing of each watch in on my channel. So tell me about those tornadoes. lol
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@@watch_collecting So you were offered two increadibly expensive precious metal pieces costing more than a modest home and then, having spent all that money on those, were finally offered a stainless steel one? How does a person with this small a brain find their way to my channel?
I tried establishing with AD in order to get an OP41 and even ended up buying my wife and OP31, followed up maybe 4 times over a year and a half and never heard back. Don’t get me started on the looks you get just walking in the door. They’ve really alienated the enthusiast community IMO. Ended up buying an Ingeniuer I wear every day.
Definitely the case with certain Datejusts, especially the blue dial 36mm models-- my AD said there are still currently very high demand for those. Most will take any style bezel or bracelet if they received a call. Part of me still really wants the palm fronds dial 😆
Good video and a good breakdown. The one thing no one really talks about is how the normal enthusiast goes and tries to get these watches given all of this nonsense at places like AP and Rolex. (Especially AP) each customer wanna know who they are and all this nonsense yet there are a combined thousands of brand new Royal Oaks from this year and last floating around Chrono 24 and every other grey market dealer site. It is truly infuriating. It’s the same with Rolex a brand, new GMT or one of the after dials in the OP or datejust ranges you have to kiss some real ass, yet brand new ones make their way to the grey market everyday
Air king , explorer 2 black dial , date just 41 any color dial ….id be happy with any of them. I’m not a collector , I’d probably be one and done with Rolex if I could get any of those. If not , I’ll just stick to smaller brands like Sinn and Zodiac. Very well made no nonsense video. It’s refreshing from all the click bait style videos you mentioned. You just earned a Sub……scription 😉 from me.
Last January I walked into an AD in Aruba and was offered a Sea Dweller and a black faced fluted bezel Datejust 41 with the Jubilee bracelet. I bought the Datejust. Now I’m hunting for an Explorer II Polar and can’t seem to find one except on gray market $5K above retail. Can’t do it. Seems too high. Thoughts?
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@@stephens.3336 reach out to me at oisinomalleychannel@gmail.com
I was a driver for a diplomat ...they get their watches without staying in line and pay 0 tax . This is how i bought my first watch way under the market value and under the retail price because of 0 tax !
The Explorer 2 is the Rolex I want. It's not trying too hard. It knows what it is and you probably won't get mugged wearing it. Personally anything that needs its own security detail or resides in a vault, isn't really worth having. If most collectors were honest they probably don't really like it, we just like the chase.
I'm getting a bit annoyed with my AD. They're the largest Rolex AD in NC and I've been on the wait list for the 40mm Explorer I since it was announced. My purchase history is solid. I've bought multiple Tudors from them as well as multiple pieces of Yurman for my wife and myself. Not to mention that I've built a genuine friendship with my SA. I have a milestone birthday later this month and I told them months ago that I'd really like to celebrate it with the Explorer. There's no indication they're going to come through. I know the Explorer is a popular watch but it's nowhere near in demand as some of the more often requested models.
Your SA is giving you the illusion they're your friend. What's likely happening here is that even with your purchase history, he has bigger clients that buy even more expensive pieces that are harder to push. And likely a bunch of jewelry too for their wives and dusghters. They will always get first dibs. Your SA needs to make sure he keeps them happy first by offering them steel sports models and then he's trying to keep you happy with empty promises so you'll continue buying those Tudor. No offense, but you messed up playing the AD game. You should have gone gray awhile ago. All the money u lost on the Tudors could have paid for the MSRP premium on the gray.
Find a new AD. Bought a Speedmaster Moon from my AD and wanted a black Explorer II and I got one within 3 weeks. Bought a Tudor from them and asked for a Root Beer, got the call on the Root Beer 2 weeks later. This was in early 2023.
The thing is, like Nike and car manufacturers, Rolex had noticed people will pay considerably more than retail for some things hence the high price increase. How much of these are due to “flippers” you decide
Got tired of the AD waitlist for a GMT Pepsi. Went to the grey market, traded in a watch I wasn’t wearing and walked out with the Pepsi on the same day. I was just growing old waiting for the AD, now I’m wearing the watch as a daily.
How much over MSRP did you pay the shysters?
The Grand Seiko in the background video is stunning!
I retired after 43 years of full time employment and always coveted owning a Rolex watch. Two years ago I attended my nearest (UK) AD and expressed an interest in an AIR KING, not heard a thing since. Brilliant summary of Rolex timepieces.
Great video, really like this format of whats happening in the Rolex world
It’s pretty simple, stop buying watches as investments. If you really want the watch to wear it, buy it. If you don’t, turn it down
Almost no one buys as investment. perhaps they buy as sustainable asset. A very different thing.
Not an asset. But I catch your point. Maybe store of value.
"Holding Value" is really a powerful statement! Well said. It's so rare to have anything in retail that does that consistently.
Sound advice, as always. Can’t fault it, this man knows his onions. Just a few points about buying from the grey, you’re not necessarily getting like for like. Some secondary dealers polish everything (mentioning no names) so the watch appears pristine and doesn’t come back. If you buy direct from the AD all the lines, edges and curves are as they should be straight out of the plastic before your eyes. All of the parts are 100% genuine from an AD as are the tag, warranty card box and papers. Let’s not get into bezels here but you get my point. You get the full 5 year warranty out of the gate. Plus, peace of mind - buying from the grey market you’ll never know 100% for sure if the watch is hot until it goes back to Rolex for a service; if there has been any dodgy dealing going on your grey guy may not even be around in 10 years time. So it’s not just the cash on the table to consider. Anyway just my 2c.
“Exhibition only” signs appear to have gone from AD windows so now’s a great time to get the watch you want on your wrist.
Belated Happy Birthday man and many happy returns!
Exhibition only signs are definitely not gone. Rolex started sending a lot of exhibition models around (with no warranty papers, no sale possible), to fill out shelves, allow people to try them on, and avoid the stupid empty stores that we saw 2 years ago. But people forget situation varies wildly from AD to AD and location to location. Getting a SS GMT or Daytona might be 5 or 10% easier than it was 2 years ago in NYC, LA, London or Paris... but it's still virtually impossible with no history. The models that started flowing again are the TT and full gold pieces, which are reselling below retail, as they already were.
Regarding grey sellers, there are hundreds of highly reputable grey sellers with decades in business, brick and mortar stores, in house watchmakers, thousands of sales all over the world, and return/money back policies. Buy the seller and you won't have to worry about the issues you've described. And in the rare chance you do have an issue, they'll take the watch back and refund you because they won't destroy their business over a single watch. If you go for a dodgy price way below market from a private seller with no track record however, then don't be naive: either you're getting the deal of the century and should exercise extreme caution, or it's a scam.
It’s not ‘back to normal’, watch-makers have been furloughed in Switzerland, this down-turn has not levelled out, it’s still dropping. People are turning their backs on spending money on watches and getting back to other things it’s only the collectors that are still interested. There is also a significant recession in China and the US economy is on a knife edge of a recession, they cannot get their inflation under control.
Btw, great video nonetheless, great insights into the current Rolex market but I wouldn’t mind betting Submariners and most stainless DJ’s will start trading below retail in the next 9-12 months, there is a glut of them out there.
Looks like someone read the Fortune article lol
This is the angle when poor people try to understand Rolex business. They can never.
@@lonu7592 poor people, who me? I own 5 Rolex watches amongst a broader collection 😂
@@lonu7592...so you are a clairvoyant to know the life style and bank account of every people on socialmedia ??
The irony is that the great majority of Rolex sales are by people who are not particularly wealthy, but they aim to acquire a watch to appear wealthy within their social circles.
Amazing video… “anything that holds its value, take it” especially for luxury goods…. Priceless advice!
Your review of the Yachtmaster 40 that you did years a go was the first video of yours I ever watched. Still subscribed and watching today! Thanks.
3:07 Always so interesting to hear about a submariner no-date being such a hot watch. When I bought my Submariner w/date they had 4 of the no-date subs they were having trouble selling. Of course that was 1994.
Thank you. Wonderful content. As a newby to the space - having never owned a single watch in my lifetime (67) - I've just 'registered' my interest (yikes) at a dealer ... and now it seems, I wait a year or two until they call me, when they have supply of what I want - which is an Explorer 2 (orange hand) white face. What a strange experience. Now , the waiting begins ...
It’s still difficult to get a piece from the crooked Rolex ADs. Some ADs, still that sell jewelry try to blackmail without any guarantee selling a piece you requested. Too many great brands available and no song and dance. Rolex would rather sell you a CPO anyway.
"hot models" are way easier to get now compared to the loony years of /21/22.
@@John-wf5if Some pieces at certain Rolex ADs I agree. However there are certain Rolex ADs still playing their games.
Great video with someone who knows what he’s talking about. Spot on with everything you stated
Good man Oisin a straightforward watch content video 😊
Great video Oisin back to basics with this video. . Teach some new watch beginners the real truth and pitfalls of the Rolex watch market. And give them some valuable information that may save them money and time to get their first Rolex watch.
You're absolutely right the Rolex rush was a strange thing that happened. What Rolex ADs and boutiques have to come to terms with is that during that time many of them really didn't behave very well towards a number of customers that they are going to need going forward. I've watched from a distance and it has definitely put me off. There are gorgeous watches out there at Rolex money - I don't think Rolex will get any money from me. Great video Oisin - always love your content, it's beautiful. Your shots are stunning.
I love that your intro is partially Bach's Matthew Passion.
Solid advice. The bottom line is if you want some popular models, you’d better already spent some money at the dealer. I agree on sometimes it’s just better to spend a little extra from grey market and move on with life. Rather than spending time and effort playing the dealer’s game.
I typically avoid watching channels like this because I can't afford featured items. However, I found this episode particularly excellent, perhaps because it showcased many rare pieces I didn't know existed, such as the rose gold teal Rolex. Thank you
Spot on, bro I walked into a Rolex A.D. last Sunday and I got offered a smooth bezel oyster steel black dial DJ41 and the rest you have to be on the waitlist. Watch, but it was a good sign to see that something was offered for first time Rolex buyer.
Watches now are only being offered because people are turning them down. The AD’S safes are full of watches.
Spot on video, without the nonsense. I've been in three Rolex Ads in past 6 months, and the experience was far more pleasant, and one was honest enough to explain what I could reasonably expect. I was offered solid gold to walk out with, shorter wait times on Yachtmasters and Explorers, ...steel subs, GMTs and Daytonas still high demand long lead times. Also offered credit should I want it, whilst being served drinks. Anybody serious about buying a Rolex can use your advice, and potentially have a pleasant experience with an AD, with peace of mind it’s a genuine Rolex.
I wish I could find an honest dealer. I just get them saying pretty much everything they can to discourage me. They will give me absolutely no estimate on how long the wait is or if I'll ever get a watch if I wait. I'm asking for one of the least competitive OPs and they are pretending like it's a Starbuck. Of course ladies models are available to buy hint hint.
@@DadeMurphie that’s a wrong AD and a big no. Don’t bother to visit again, just look for others that are honest. They can be hard to find but they still exist! I did the same, I have a few around the corner which don’t sell anything to me. Then I went to another one 2,5 hours drive and it was like a whole new world. Very patient, polite and they give estimates. They don’t want customers to wait longer than 1 year, so if you get allocation then it’s always within a year and you have to make a deposit which confirms your request. So you know it’s a guaranteed call!
@@key4duty I found a better one. Still no watch in hand but they at least seem like they want to get me a watch if I wait.
@@DadeMurphie good luck! You will hopefully get the watch you want! Things are slowly getting better now, so it’s worth a try.
@@key4dutyin what country is this? Sounds good
I visited an AD and was shopping around for a DATEJUST and ended up getting one the next week and I went back and was actually gonna settle for a Tudor. She made my day and it was a great experience to purchase my first AD piece. My original 1993 Day Date was purchased from the Diamond District. Too much shady business is going on in the Diamond District (in NYC) and I rather not support it.
Which ad?
Got the call for the rose gold sky dweller blue dial on jubilee and couldn’t be happier!
My god. What a beauty.
It's really stunning, pictures and videos do not do it justice.
Just got a 41mm Datejust Black Dial, Fluted on a Jubilee been on the AD waiting List 3+yrs for it Oisin ❤❤
great content and info as always. keep up the good work!
Yes good advice overall!! The Celebration dial OP41 is not 4 times but double or very slightly more than it's retail price on the grey market!!
The 41mm? Have you lost your mind?
Another awesome Video with very helpful insights. Thanks - and have a fantastic day :)
Solid & to the point. Like a knowledgeable announcer - the Rolex Market (in Sept '24) in a nutshell.
2nd video of yours I’ve seen and you certainly have your own perspective. It’s very cool and I agree and I think several others as well are on the same page. I was recently put on a waitlist for the first time. In this case I’m 6 to 8 months out from really being ready for my first big purchase. Right now the Air-King is top of my list but I’m keeping an open mind.
Got a text from an AD. Didn’t see it for 2 hours. By the time I responded, watch was already gone. Mind you, it was less than a month from my visit. I wish they called instead , but they said they’ll be on the lookout.
Oisin, this is one of your best videos. You may want to do this type of video for other brands as well.
pretty much spot on! UK West Mids here - no purchase history, took 4 years on the wait list to get my Explorer 2 Polar - got the call in June....shows the availability for the less popular stuff is getting better....
Great info! Thank you Sir! Blessings to you!
You covered the Sea Dweller - but what about the Deepsea… AD or Grey?
This is Oisin’s “Wheelhouse”…❤️💯👍 He loves watches, he does his homework and is knowledgeable….! I love to listen and watch him describe watches…. I love his photography….! He has done so many excellent videos when he had “The Timeless Watch Channel” and I miss that because nobody does this better than Oisin….. Forget the politics, this is his strong suit….! Love this Oisin…. This is YOU! ❤️💯👍 Greg
Thanks
I watched your video on the 126622, loved it, and i finally got one after being on the list for 1.5yrs. Not sure why it took so long but while I was waiting i even acquired the BLNR (3mths) and the celebration OP36 (7mths) from the AD
Great video mate
Excellent video ! Thank you !
Lenny is back!!!!!
As Michaela would say “calm down” and buy it lol. Happy Birthday again to Lennys alterego!
Great review of the market right now, only one observation, the two tone yachtmaster 40mm price you mentioned it’s for the previous reference 116621, the new reference 126621 unworn 2024 it’s +18k before taxes in the grey market. In retail it’s 16k
Really enjoyed your video Oisin 👍
Back to the roots! Good video thanks for the advice. 👍🏽
What other massed produced item do you have to essentially beg to buy from a shop? I just don’t get it. Never paid retail price for any watch. The deals are around, do your homework and sometimes the thrill is in the chase.
Still waiting for my GMT 2 Blue/Red after 4 years at the AD. Maybe it will come in the next 6 years.
Still on the wait list for a Pepsi after 5 years. Added a Rootbeer last December - got the call in less than 4 months. Very happy with mine too. That was my 4th Rolex in 40 yrs. Guess it will be another 10 for the Daytona ;¬D Greetings
Recently bought a 6 month old Datejust 41 steel & yellow gold , champagne flutted jubilee with papers for 11,250 on Grey market. Rolex uk have this configuration on for £13,050. So would've taken a haircut. Watch is immaculate & still had a sticker on the back. Wear it daily, so comfortable.
Doing what you do best ! …great content ..thank you sir !!
I visited an AD recently, the ‘exhibition’ watches are suddenly for sale, well Rolex are done for me, they teated me like s*** for years so they can stew on their stock.
I doubt they are too bothered 😂
Agree F em😅
@@deepseadweller687 I did not know that George Michael was still alive and well. Wow
I did not know that George Michael was still alive and well. Wow
Really?
I got the call after 2.5 years for my Sprite.... Was well worth the wait.... It's gorgeous
😂😂😂
Congrats!! Wear it in good health
All good and pretty accurate I’d say. The only thing which should be obvious (perhaps not to newbies) is that these are purchasing prices. Selling will be minus a good % commission so if you are keeping no problem. Strangely the CPO may offer you a good trade in price, better than other dealers even better if you are buying new (trade-in).
Good analysis Oisin 👏🏻 👏🏻
Excellent video, as always. I can’t afford any of them, but it’s good to hear the basic sub is still holding true if I come into some money. I’d be tempted with a discounted bright black OP if that was doable.
Anyway, I just bought a Damasko, I love them, the DS30 is a modern day explorer, but even more suitable for exploring, haha. So I am happy with that for the next few years, if not forever.
It would have to be the steel explorer 1 for me. It's the one that floats my boat. What can I say. Enjoyed the vid 👌
The Hamster was wearing a white dial Explorer 2 on the finale of Grand Tour. I was surprised it didn't look too big on him.
went to an AD 2 days ago, they said the demand is the same as it was for the past 2-3 years.
My AD says the same. Things haven’t changed much for them. For the grey market, yes but the AD’s have nothing to do with them.
Went to a different AD while on vacation. They currently have a mode I want. They said call back in 2 months.
Just got offered the Sea-Dweller today
75 days to get my Sea-Dweller
It would be great to hear Lenny’s take on other brands as well.
Thank you for this informative video.
I put my name down for a batman 3 or 4 months ago. I got a call last week for the rhodium yachtmaster because she recalled me showing interest in it. I ended up passing on it. Hope this does diminish my ability to get the gmt.
Well I got the Sea Dweller at an AD, as I have an 8.5 inch wrist. At the time I was aware that it would lose value, but I was concerned with warranty and whether it was genuine or not. Would I have preferred an offer for a submariner? Maybe, I hadn’t tried one on my big wrist. How large is your wrist given your stated preference for this watch? Does the GMT II fit proportionately for you?
Enjoyable and a good update on the Rolex market
Good buddy of mine ordered an Explorer and a Mido more or less simultaneously this winter...got the Rolex faster. Certainly caught him by surprise....
I’ve been wait listed for 1 year at one AD, 6 mos. at 2 others for an explorer 1, 36mm. I visited them all Again last week and said any stainless Sub or Air King, but I’d still prefer the explorer. Hard to believe the stories about walk-in and get what you want.
Yo bro that was a really good video
I have been to a lot AD’s in Switzerland this week. Everything was for exhibition only lol.
you should try interlacken in the morning, I got mine there, except I need to purchase a IWC mark XVIII as well (better than other AD which make you buy tutor you don't want)
I hope you and all your family are all keeping well and healthy 🙏 ❤️ i love watching and listening to your videos, always genuine, honest content i think over the next 12 to 18 months you will start to see more Rolex timepieces available to buy from your Ad ? Look forward to watching your next video stay healthy positive. Happy and most importantly gratitude for the gift of precious life ✨️ peace and love ❤️
A valuable overview Oísin, thank you. Nice to see you gather up some sponsers on this one. Easy to watch them thru as they were very tolerably short. Cheers.
The Slate dial Yachtmaster has not been called Rhodium by Rolex for many years now. Some still hang on to that terminology.
I’ve bought numerous Rolex from the AD and they’re still very hard to get. The shortest I’ve waited is about 1 year and in some cases, I’m still waiting. The Daytona, Blue Skydweller, and new Kermit are still really hard to get unless you buy a bunch of rubbish.
The steel Daytona has been difficult to get for a very long time and probably always will be.
My wait was about a month. I showed the AD a lot of business before I decided to even ask for a Rolex, even if a lot of it was for maintenance on my two Movados. That’s not the same as showing them business just to get one.
I’ve been offered 3 Daytonas and I bought all three over the last two years.
I saw two tornadoes in one week.
😂😂😂
It's a true story, I first was offered the white gold blue dial, I was then offered the rose gold chocolate dial on oyster flex and then finally I got the black dial stainless steel Daytona. I still have all three. The white gold blue dial is my favourite. The unboxing of each watch in on my channel. So tell me about those tornadoes. lol
@@watch_collecting So you were offered two increadibly expensive precious metal pieces costing more than a modest home and then, having spent all that money on those, were finally offered a stainless steel one?
How does a person with this small a brain find their way to my channel?
You ARE a TH-camr! Just flinging your opinions. Nice perspectives. T)
Great vid Oisin, as all ways.
It would have been nice if you also covered the yacht-master ii regatta chronograph...
Great video, thanks!
What about Daytonas with diamonds? I am personally not a fan of the diamonds but was offered a Daytona with diamonds a few months back.
I tried establishing with AD in order to get an OP41 and even ended up buying my wife and OP31, followed up maybe 4 times over a year and a half and never heard back. Don’t get me started on the looks you get just walking in the door. They’ve really alienated the enthusiast community IMO.
Ended up buying an Ingeniuer I wear every day.
Great Content!!
Definitely the case with certain Datejusts, especially the blue dial 36mm models-- my AD said there are still currently very high demand for those. Most will take any style bezel or bracelet if they received a call.
Part of me still really wants the palm fronds dial 😆
Good video and a good breakdown. The one thing no one really talks about is how the normal enthusiast goes and tries to get these watches given all of this nonsense at places like AP and Rolex. (Especially AP) each customer wanna know who they are and all this nonsense yet there are a combined thousands of brand new Royal Oaks from this year and last floating around Chrono 24 and every other grey market dealer site. It is truly infuriating. It’s the same with Rolex a brand, new GMT or one of the after dials in the OP or datejust ranges you have to kiss some real ass, yet brand new ones make their way to the grey market everyday
Air king , explorer 2 black dial , date just 41 any color dial ….id be happy with any of them. I’m not a collector , I’d probably be one and done with Rolex if I could get any of those. If not , I’ll just stick to smaller brands like Sinn and Zodiac. Very well made no nonsense video. It’s refreshing from all the click bait style videos you mentioned. You just earned a Sub……scription 😉 from me.
I have a rule about adding one watch to my collection. I can wait, I don’t care. In the meantime I found a great NIB Breitling for 50% off.
Theres still a few AD’s that don’t play games. Used my friend as a referral and no waitlist at all for the batgirl!
I'd rather wear Omega anyway. When I make it big, I won't be looking at any Rolex anyway.
Last January I walked into an AD in Aruba and was offered a Sea Dweller and a black faced fluted bezel Datejust 41 with the Jubilee bracelet. I bought the Datejust. Now I’m hunting for an Explorer II Polar and can’t seem to find one except on gray market $5K above retail. Can’t do it. Seems too high. Thoughts?
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I was a driver for a diplomat ...they get their watches without staying in line and pay 0 tax . This is how i bought my first watch way under the market value and under the retail price because of 0 tax !
You skipped the GMT Master 2 with meteorite dial. Whats your opinion. Buy at dealer or get cheaper on grey marked?
Can you do an update with recent market changes please
Finally got my Sub No Date from the AD. Now waiting for a Explorer II Polar or Black.
been one in the window of WoS Liverpool St for a week now, good luck!
Went into the AD 2 weeks ago. Picking up a sub this week.
The Explorer 2 is the Rolex I want. It's not trying too hard. It knows what it is and you probably won't get mugged wearing it.
Personally anything that needs its own security detail or resides in a vault, isn't really worth having.
If most collectors were honest they probably don't really like it, we just like the chase.
I'm getting a bit annoyed with my AD. They're the largest Rolex AD in NC and I've been on the wait list for the 40mm Explorer I since it was announced. My purchase history is solid. I've bought multiple Tudors from them as well as multiple pieces of Yurman for my wife and myself. Not to mention that I've built a genuine friendship with my SA. I have a milestone birthday later this month and I told them months ago that I'd really like to celebrate it with the Explorer. There's no indication they're going to come through. I know the Explorer is a popular watch but it's nowhere near in demand as some of the more often requested models.
They’re clowning you
Your SA is giving you the illusion they're your friend. What's likely happening here is that even with your purchase history, he has bigger clients that buy even more expensive pieces that are harder to push. And likely a bunch of jewelry too for their wives and dusghters. They will always get first dibs. Your SA needs to make sure he keeps them happy first by offering them steel sports models and then he's trying to keep you happy with empty promises so you'll continue buying those Tudor. No offense, but you messed up playing the AD game. You should have gone gray awhile ago. All the money u lost on the Tudors could have paid for the MSRP premium on the gray.
Find a new AD. Bought a Speedmaster Moon from my AD and wanted a black Explorer II and I got one within 3 weeks. Bought a Tudor from them and asked for a Root Beer, got the call on the Root Beer 2 weeks later. This was in early 2023.
Had goldsmiths call and email me 2-3 times for Rolex sale………too late!
Good info. Oisin, if you had to pick one Datejust, what color and configuration would you pick?
In france i am in wait list for an oyster perpetual 41mm in black,the ad speak to me about 8 month of wait minimum,
It might come sooner. Maybe 8 months max.
I received my “Sea Dweller” with only a 30-day wait from an authorized dealer, I thought I would have to wait a year, maybe more.
@@steven_b007 ok,thank you for this good experience,i hoppe they will calling me soon..
I love my 216570 polar!
And I as well. Stellar piece
@@ezee-e Absolutely perfect everyday watch!
We are not back to normal, supply is still hugely constrained, albeit getting better.
I’d rather buy from the AD over the grey market price just to be sure it’s real
And your own name on papers.
I did not know that George Michael was still alive and well. Wow
Yes, it’s about as risky as buying one in Hong Kong.
Let us know how that works out in 2045...
5:46 not an asset. Assets are turned into revenues and expenses.
The thing is, like Nike and car manufacturers, Rolex had noticed people will pay considerably more than retail for some things hence the high price increase. How much of these are due to “flippers” you decide
if some Rolex AD calls me, you will know the luxury watch market is as dead as a doornail!
Dead ☠️ floating facedown in backyard Arkansas pool!
I was just at an AD. they said they have only had one, Titanium yacht master come through the door so far.
I really hope Rolex makes more titanium pieces. Titanium is my favorite material for watches
Yea right. They offered one to a vip client. The rest walked out the back door