Surprised you didn't try the Old pre-built internals in the New case just to show how much better having a simple front vent is even for lower end hardware
Aside from GN doing their hard hitting investigative journalism, Dawid is about the only mainstream tech tuber worth watching these days. You really gotta have a sense of humor to tolerate the Mickey Mouse BS the entire industry has become. If you don't have a sardonic approach to making tech vids, you're just a total shill.
Dawid, I’ll never complain about a prebuilt ever again. I got a Skytech prebuilt with a 14700k and a 4070ti with 32gb ddr5, WiFi 6e board and an aio with a gen 1tb ssd at a local pawn shop for $600. And the biggest thing is it is all off the shelf parts. Nothing is proprietary. I’m in love 😂
@@benstanfill363 it has skytech gaming prebuilt stickers on it. So unless the previous owner has that for some reason where it’s not a prebuilt, then sure. I guess so. Never seen a case have prebuilt company stickers unless it was a prebuilt.
I hope some day BIOS updates will be handled differently. Maybe through Windows Update and no consequences if the power goes out. Man I wish every manufacturers drivers could be installed with ease via WU.
We probably get 1 power outage every 3 years in my country and it's still painful to sit there and watch the bios slowly updating... It's one of those things where the process to do it has barely changed despite technology being a million miles ahead of what it used to be.
It's directly in the airflow path between the CPU cooler and case extractor fan, it'll be fine. Even without any kind of heatsinks, just having airflow run directly over the package surface is enough to get away with a lot more power draw than most people would think. Not that I don't have a stock of little baby heatsinks to stick to any bare VRMs I find.
It's not the K sku, so it is not as power hungry as those behemoths. Technically it's not even on the "naughty step" list that Intel produced (your opinion on the validity of that list may vary lol). It's 65W to 250W, but OEMs usually have a custom BIOS that will cap it at whatever the default cooler can provide (in this case, probably about 150W)
I live 50 minutes away from Micro Center in Miami. Man when I say it's a dream, I literally mean it was a dream walking into that store. It felt like I was at lego land shopping for legos but everything was PC parts.
You're right about the latest generation of Lenovo pre built systems , I purchased one that was spec'd out with a Ryzen 7700, an RTX 4070 and 32 GB of ram, I can run anything (even Crysis) @ 1440p with high framerates, most hitting my monitor max of 144hz, If I had more money to spend I'd have built one, but I can say that for what I paid I can't complain and I've got power to spare, it's also very upgradeable.
OEM builds always have air flow issues. For some reason, they all want the case ventilation covered up. A skimpy motherboard can do wonders with airflow.
I have an HP Omen 30L prebuilt PC from 2020 w/ 10900k and an HP branded RTX 3080. The CPU has an AIO water block and the entire front of the case is a screen with one 80 mm intake fan. Off the shelf parts, Corsair 80% Plat PSU, 32gb (16gbx2) Fury Ram and WD and Samsung SSDs.It's been the best computer than i have never built.
I bought my MSI Codex R from staples for 1100 CAD. Gotta say I'm very happy with it. I5 12400f, 16gb xpg ddr5 ram, rtx 4060, 1tb MSI m.2 ssd, 650 psu and a MSI gaming B760 motherboard. I can upgrade to my hearts content. Just got a 4tb m.2 for the second slot. Next is a rtx 4070 super. Then a 13 or 14th gen i7 whenever they fix the issues with them lol😊
I have a low/mid range Acer Predator pre built with a 11400f and 3060ti from when the GPU shortage happened which prevented me from building anything within a decent price. Had to suck it up and buy the machine as similar builds were 500 above what I paid for this. Gaming was a nightmare, CPU temps would jump up to over 80 degrees and then get throttled to bring it back down as the cooler was terrible, I found out that instead of the CPU fan speeding up the rear one would which sounded like the machine was taking off. I changed the CPU cooler with a small tower cooler (92mm fan due to the size of the case) and replaced the rear fan too. The GPU is an awful blower card that also sounded like it was taking off, fortunately using MSI Afterburner to set a proper fan curve and undervolting the card has alleviated the problem there. The Acer Predator software didn't enable me to set a fan curve, either a static speed which had a minimum speed of 60%, maximum speed or auto where the Acer software makes the decision. The rear fan reacted to the CPU temp more than the CPU fan so the cables got switched and now I can leave it in auto with no fear of the CPU getting too hot. If I were going prebuilt again in the future I'd definitely avoid OEMs because at least i have more of a chance of having some semi decent cooling. Acer's mantra seems to be "let it all burn".
I want to mention that on a lot and of modern systems that bios do come in a firmware package under Windows Updates. You can also see this on your bios download page where it notes the download package is a firmware package. If you run Windows updates I'm sure you'd see it, more than likely under optional updates for this bios (firmware) update as Asus has it listed as an optional update right now. Just wanted to give you a heads up on that and other than that love the videos, they are always entertaining and make the day go by faster!
@@chrismay2298 it's been apart of windows for many years and is a normal process that most people don't even know happens half the time as if it's pushed by the manufacturer and is automatically installed through Windows update, so no, I'm not off my rockers.
Regarding BIOS updates on prebuilt/laptops, usually Windows Update will push the firmware in an update package, so you don’t necessarily need to go fetch the update on the manufacturer’s website, unless you want to get it faster. Alternatively, some of the usual OEM software contain updaters for drivers and other various tools for the computer.
Yes Asus Armory Crate can update the BIOS. But not a lot of people would actually care to go look into it and there are no reminder or whatever. Also Armory Crate is just pretty bad, it's better to download the drivers on the website, and it's just better to uninstall it, and for RGB, well first "who cares" and also it's Aurora that manages RGB mostly...
Build Pro PC has a system for $1200 with an i5 12600k a d an RTX 4070. They have some of the best value I have ever seen. If you're looking for a splid prebuilt look into their PCs.
They seem to be adding 2-3 store a year. A city like Montreal might definitely catch their interest. I'm lucky, and have one 3 hours away. Yes, I go there, but not often.
TheComplexes What is it you need ??? micro center: is for stupid people only, he is the weirdo ! he will hitch to the US, not a smart guy... Run Forrest levels... normal store does not sell it ???
The Intel CPU issue won't show up on a brand new PC. If the ASUS bloatware tells you that there is a new BIOS and helps install it there is some chance that the CPU won't blow up. Its just too bad that ASUS doesn't tell you the BIOS is a critical update.
I got an MSI Codex prebuilt earlier this year and have been extremely happy with it. Great part configuration, no shady proprietary stuff, no low end variants of the parts. I have since changed the gpu, case, and cpu cooler but still using the original fans, cpu, mobo, and psu. Those changes were simple upgrades or aesthetic preferences, nothing wrong the actual parts that were swapped
Wait, so you paid double for components in a prebuilt that you could have bought yourself, just to move and replace those components in less than a year...? What exactly are you bragging about? I legitemately want to understand this logic.
@@chrismay2298 i actually paid less than if i got the parts myself and built it. Saved about $175 vs doing it myself. Im all for building my own, have plenty of times but bestbuy actually had a great deal. Paid $800 for it. Then i sold the parts i swapped out and it damn near paid for the gpu upgrade. So i actually made out ahead of buying and building myself. Just have to shop around for sales!
@@chrismay2298 normally id disagree because there is a real logic to prebuilts. way less hassle if anything goes wrong. dont need to mess with things to get it working. but then the guy mentioned he changed out everything and i was thinking the same things you were lmao. he wasted so much time and money on that. keeping the psu and mobo was a terrible idea too because thats ALWAYS where prebuilts go cheap.
I have the previous gen Lenovo prebuilt. it's a nice case, with a glass side and nice RGB. It came with dual channel ram and a nice cooler for the CPU. It's been running great since I bought it, very quiet with no signs of slowing down. I've bought a few Lenovos since they were IBMs; and they were always solid.
Thank God they finally added real air vent holes. I'm not too technically sound but would removing the transparent side (front ones too if the internal hardware is not too close) panels and drilling more holes cause any perceived issues?
You should test CPU performance and cooling with long duration at maximum load like cinebench, you did it in the past. It's will show you how much they cheap out with Insufficient cooling and poor VRM.
Bloatware is such a pain - when I worked for a small business IT company many years ago we used to format the HD and install fresh windows on every PC we supplied because it was faster than uninstalling all of the junk. Most likely the margins on prebuilt PCs are low (particularly at the low end) they get some kind of kickback for installing a bunch of software which can hustle the users into upgrading, subscribing, etc.
I got a nice config system from pc specialist, 7900xtx. Good cooling, what is dod was put a mini desk fan blowing into the front vent, and i put a usb fan rack on the top so effectively drawing air out of the top. Really simple and cheap solution even though it was cooling fine, this is to top it off
@8:09 my jaw dropped when I saw that price. A THOUSAND $!? You can seriously just get the parts you need and make a decent system for the same amount of money. It's not even that much harder imo, I am dumb asfk and also the clumsiest man on earth and I still managed to buy parts and build my PC, and I reckon I can do it better next time. It's truly awe inspiring how much these OEMs are willing to capitalize on the lazy tax. I know it's mostly gonna be parents buying this for their kid but SURELY as time moves on that will have to change as we're not in the boomer grew up without computers generation anymore. Parents these days are like 28 - 40 y/o, surely they would know better!
I bought a pre-built on clearance from Microcenter for $900 a year ago: 13700KF, 2 tb SSD, 32 gb DDR5 (but only 4800), EVGA 3070, 240mm AIO, Lian Li case. Clearance isn’t the norm but I still feel I got an excellent rig for what I paid.
Most major OEMs are very slow to change. Their PC case designs were made back when PCs generated half as much heat and they are slow to adopt new designs due how big they are. They also love to cheap out on components to maximize profit margins. Dell uses a single chassis design across all of their desktop products to simplify the manufacturing process, so the alienwares just use optiplex cases but with a plastic shell covering them.
@@konga382 I’ve honestly never played a computer game before. Last game I played was on Nintendo 64. Anyways adding some holes for ventilation seems so easy to do. It’s like they put looks over function.
Simple: They want it to die sooner than later so you buy another one or cannot pass it to someone else when it's time to upgrade. That and the situation on single DIMM of ram is ridiculous.
Even sticking more RAM in an oldie bottom ender like my Acer XC885 is a good idea. Skimping on the RAM in an enthusiast computer just so they can make an extra five bucks or whatever seems kind of churlish.
You gotta buy from sky tech. I really enjoy their Shiva 2 I bought. Good case, lots of fan, no bloatware. Well the RGB app didn't work right for me. Lol. 2 STICKS OF RAM RUNNING AT FULL SPEED. seriously, they are great and have regular sales on Amazon and new egg.
Funny thing. I bought an Alienware (First and last prebuilt PC) back in 2004 before Dell. It had a dual tower cooler for the CPU with an 80mm fan in the middle for a Pentium D 3.0GHz CPU. It also had an ASUS SLI MoBo and a EVGA 7800GTX and Dual Channel RAM and a Creative SB Audigy 2 also a SilverStone 650W PSU that was basically a hairdryer. Man have they made some leaps and bounds backwards. Side Note: That SilverStone PSU, I got it back from a friend a few years ago (2018 or 19) and hooked up a Core 2 Quad 9550 and a GTX 680 and tried playing Crysis 3 and the PC shut off after 5 minutes. Tried it again and got another 2 minutes out of it. Then I reinstalled my Cooler Master 650W I bought back in 2009 (5 years new PSU), and it had no issues, played for an hour or so. This is why to this day I think SilverStone is just bad. The heat that came out of it (on the Alienware) and it falls on its face when under any actual load.
I bought my first prebuilt, an Acer Predator Orion P03-600. And it's quiet good, i got it for 200 euro on the used market. It has a i5 8400, 8gb dual channel memory(In the wrong order, but i fixed that) GTX 1060 6GB (Upgrading it atm to a Arc A750.) It's very quiet i havent heard the fans at all.
Was that the curb stomped LG OLED monitor? I love mine, but it is free of curb stomping. Best fun part of Dell PC's are the structural CPU Coolers, the cooler screws into the motherboard tray. its fun!
bought micro centers brand of pre built. had a 5800x3d, RX 7600(terrible combo for a 1080p pc) 1 stick of 16gb ram, 512 gb m.2 ssd, but the big thing is the case, idk the name of the case but its amazing, vents and mesh on the top, bottom, front, back bonus is that all the parts are off the shelf so you get that cheaper price. paid 860 usd for this, spent 400 on an RX 7700xt, and bought another 16gb stick of ram. later on bought a 1bg ssd and now it went from a 1080p gaming pc to a 1440p PC/ low end 4k PC
Your videos are always interesting and provide an additional level of humour that's otherwise missing from this boring(?) field! My last Dell PC was my impetus for building my own PCs after that. What a dumpster-fire that was, with, among other things plastic drive brackets which went brittle after a few years, depositing said hard drives at the bottom of the case. And is for building your own PC, there's very little that beats that sense of accomplishment when you finish putting everything together and press that power button, and .... "IT'S ALIVE!" . Ok, maybe I've set the accomplishment bar a bit low, but still ...
Giving the consumer a free option to get dual channel RAM (aka not get screwed) is something a sadist would do. I really don't get it. If it's free, why not make it the default ? Do they want their customers to be less satisfied by their product ? That doesn't seem to be a good business decision imo.
Steps after buying a pre-built. 1 - Make a bootable USB with Windows. 2 - Get the Windows key for later. 3 - Note all software required for fan control etc for later. 4 - Reinstall windows. Nobody wants that dodgy "anti" malware.
I had the 14th gen issue happen a few days ago. My 14600kf just shot up to 98c and my corsair aio whent into panic mode and sent my fans into 100%. So I guess I have to thank corsair for making icue. Which is weird seeing how many keep bashing the software. Got the micro code update installed now and its better.
Glad to see the ailenwares using the XPS style case, my XPS8950 has been a complete tank (why i got it) no dumb gamer crap and excellent support for what i need, even grafted a 7900xtx in mine. Dells proprietary parts are fine honestly, they tend to be common across XPS, Precision, and Optiplex lines and rarely cost more then standard parts. The mechanical and thermal performance is much better then what ive seen with modern all glass garbage cases.
I bought a skytech chronos with a 12th gen i7 and a 3080 about a year ago. The led on the rear fan went out due to a short on the controller, and it was missing screws on the board and hdd screws, but it'll keep me good long into the future.
Gotta love how pre-builts are finally stepping up their game this year! It's like they finally listened to us gamers, right? 😂 But the real question is, do these things actually last? I feel like I need a magic 8-ball for that. 🙃
I had a brick of an Asus laptop for about 6 months until they fixed THEIR bios issue. After that update, it quit randomly freezing up during videos and its an excellent laptop to this day. Asus needs to really get their crap sorted out when it comes to software , firmware and BIOS. Hardware-wise, I've been happy with them.
i think the companies that churn out these pre-builts should have the decency to do the Bios Update them selfs, its in there own best interests if they wanna avoid complaints, RMA's refunds and maintaining customer loyalty.
That Dell has three cooling fans pulling through the top mesh to liquid cool the CPU. The slot at the front goes to a mesh panel, but there are no fans in the panel. So, 3 fans on top for the CPU radiator and one fan at the back.
i bought a skytech pc its solid all consumer parts only thing is the power supply should have been better but for 900 it was a steal with 32gb of ddr5 and a 4060
My current pc was a last gen lenovo prebuilt. The only thing lenovo now is the case. But let me tell you how nice it is that everything was standard in it. R5 3600 and 1650 super 8gb ram upgraded to r7 5800x 3070 and 32 gb ram. All in the same case, is nice
Why does it cost $50/stick more for XMP enabled? It’s cheaper to have 5600MT/s without XMP? Show me how that works. Maybe some tuning and matching, but highly doubt it.
I've built 100's of PCs for work, and I got that OLD model Asus 2 years ago. Didn't want to play whack a mole with parts being in stock. With a R7 5800x and RTX3060 it plays the few games I have flawlessly and gets real work done, maybe a little AI too. Gamers Nexus said it didn't totally suck.
As a Lenovo prebuilt owner, they are very good for the money. They are also customize friendly. My brother has an Ibuypower prebuilt, and they are very on par, but mine has better cable management.
Power draw isn't the issue.. that CPU can use 220w of max power during load screens. The problem is high voltages, at high load, while at high temperature. Those 3 combinations of things cause degredation. If you have high power, at high temps, with low voltage, you never have a problem. TVB voltage optimization was made for this very reason and was what the 0x129 microcode mainly fixed. Since intel claimed it had a bug in the code.
@zxqhyr cheap fans too, like Apevia fans, and if the case has Apevia fans there is a 99% chance the PSU is Apevia too. the ARGB led color dims or become off color just from heat over time while the light diffusers just pop off from their poorly made friction clips and then you gotta super glue them. The cases with front glass look cool but perform like doo doo because the front fans can't do anything besides look pretty. The keyboards and mouses are usually brand new Ewaste too, like cyberpower, their mice and keyboards are some of the worst build quality I have ever seen.
I'm a big fan of Dell Precision xeon workstations. They've been very premium for a long time. And you can swap drives in and out with caddies in seconds. You get 4 or 8 channel ram (depending on the number of processors) and ecc ram is more reliable.
i got a cyberpower myself, when it came, it was 16 gigs of ddr4, rtx 3070 EVGA XC3, and a i7 12700k but i upgraded to 4000mhz ddr4 and it works great, so this was a rare pickup for me, but cyberpower pc, is it good? for my next upgrade in 2025, id love to know THE BEST si maker?
The OEM software does do firmware/BIOS updates, at least on Asus. If the customer logged in to MyAsus to register the warranty (LOL), they'll get notified of the BIOS update and it will update it for them.
Surprised you didn't try the Old pre-built internals in the New case just to show how much better having a simple front vent is even for lower end hardware
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Great idea. We need another video.
Or you could just leave the side panel off to prove the same point.
This. That's always been my first thought.
I've done it before and it worked great
I imagine it's getting returned.
Please don't ever change the sardonic nature of this channel. This is one of the few channels with genuine rematch value.
Nobody embodies the sarcastic, insincere, better-than-you, tech dweeb archetype than David. uwu
Isaac asimovs favorite descriptor!
@@Mister_Phafanapolis Wow that's rude. 😂
Aside from GN doing their hard hitting investigative journalism, Dawid is about the only mainstream tech tuber worth watching these days. You really gotta have a sense of humor to tolerate the Mickey Mouse BS the entire industry has become. If you don't have a sardonic approach to making tech vids, you're just a total shill.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff u r awesome. please always remain genuine and honest
Dawid, I’ll never complain about a prebuilt ever again. I got a Skytech prebuilt with a 14700k and a 4070ti with 32gb ddr5, WiFi 6e board and an aio with a gen 1tb ssd at a local pawn shop for $600. And the biggest thing is it is all off the shelf parts. Nothing is proprietary. I’m in love 😂
Nice
Pawn shop was super stupid to set at that price. Super, super dumb
@@kevinthecleric I think it was a loan someone defaulted on so they just priced it at what they lost
Sounds like someone built a PC and took out a loan against it. Wouldmt really consider that a prebuilt
@@benstanfill363 it has skytech gaming prebuilt stickers on it. So unless the previous owner has that for some reason where it’s not a prebuilt, then sure. I guess so. Never seen a case have prebuilt company stickers unless it was a prebuilt.
I had to buy one of those for work due to a time constraint and the only thing is that I have to look for some office keys.
Friend, BNH Software helped me and I hope it helps you so that you don't keep wasting time.
Cutting holes for air flow took them how many years to figure out?
More than a decade
They don't it was a accident
About tree fiddy
...and they didn't bother to add a front case fan to help matters even further. Typical OEM crap.
30 years, i can say that with confidence.
It often feels like looking for a prebuilt is like playing Russian Roulette, except there's more than one loaded chamber to worry about.
From what I saw on LTT, HP's omen is quite good. For a prebuilt anyway.
There's one chamber that's not loaded more like
I wouldn't buy one without a Gamers Nexus review saying it's actually good. Which leaves like one.
There's a chance you're given a semiauto, more like
“Dodecacore processor” yes please describe them like this from now on
Came to the comments specifically for this 😂 sad it's only a few of us to pick it up
@@TomF1F1Gameplaysandmore Dodecacore CPUS are tight.
love my octacore, think ima start calling it squidward
Sounds like a new genre of heavy metal.
-Deathcore-
-Metalcore-
-Mathcore-
-Crabcore-
Dodecacore 👌👌
Every time I flash my BIOS, I learn how long I can hold my breath.
I get flashbacks to the laptop I lost to a BIOS update, that was 20 years ago.
I hope some day BIOS updates will be handled differently. Maybe through Windows Update and no consequences if the power goes out. Man I wish every manufacturers drivers could be installed with ease via WU.
Why are you flashing your BIOS? It doesn't need to see that.
We probably get 1 power outage every 3 years in my country and it's still painful to sit there and watch the bios slowly updating... It's one of those things where the process to do it has barely changed despite technology being a million miles ahead of what it used to be.
@@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357 To me it's crazy that in 2024 we even need a BIOS. These things should be tweakable from desktop imo.
I'd be curious to see how that poor little motherboard's VRM handles the 14700F outside of gaming, I'm not sure heavy loads would go too well 😅
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It's directly in the airflow path between the CPU cooler and case extractor fan, it'll be fine. Even without any kind of heatsinks, just having airflow run directly over the package surface is enough to get away with a lot more power draw than most people would think. Not that I don't have a stock of little baby heatsinks to stick to any bare VRMs I find.
I’m more concerned with the CPU 😂
It's not the K sku, so it is not as power hungry as those behemoths. Technically it's not even on the "naughty step" list that Intel produced (your opinion on the validity of that list may vary lol). It's 65W to 250W, but OEMs usually have a custom BIOS that will cap it at whatever the default cooler can provide (in this case, probably about 150W)
it'll be fine cause it's a standard none K sku
I live 50 minutes away from Micro Center in Miami. Man when I say it's a dream, I literally mean it was a dream walking into that store. It felt like I was at lego land shopping for legos but everything was PC parts.
You're right about the latest generation of Lenovo pre built systems , I purchased one that was spec'd out with a Ryzen 7700, an RTX 4070 and 32 GB of ram, I can run anything (even Crysis) @ 1440p with high framerates, most hitting my monitor max of 144hz, If I had more money to spend I'd have built one, but I can say that for what I paid I can't complain and I've got power to spare, it's also very upgradeable.
can you drop the link?
Bro I absolutely love your channel great tech info along with a great dose of humor. Keep it up Dawid.
Love your videos Dawid, they are NEVER boring.
The Gen Z hair on the new one though 😂😂😂
@@AnnaDoes 😂
@@DawidDoesTechStuff lmao, I did not catch that on my first watch.
Love the content but you suit your old hair wayyyy better mate@DawidDoesTechStuff
Anna Does
Gen Z is born with internet connected already, in 1950, ARPA ?
OEM builds always have air flow issues. For some reason, they all want the case ventilation covered up. A skimpy motherboard can do wonders with airflow.
Pre built series reboot?
yes
@@Hikari_to_Yuri Not sure, will see how it goes. I was just curious to see the newer gen systems.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff dam, it's Dawid :D
I love the content, I first stumbled on a "gaming on surface laptop" video a year ago, been subbed since. :D
I have an HP Omen 30L prebuilt PC from 2020 w/ 10900k and an HP branded RTX 3080. The CPU has an AIO water block and the entire front of the case is a screen with one 80 mm intake fan. Off the shelf parts, Corsair 80% Plat PSU, 32gb (16gbx2) Fury Ram and WD and Samsung SSDs.It's been the best computer than i have never built.
I bought my MSI Codex R from staples for 1100 CAD. Gotta say I'm very happy with it. I5 12400f, 16gb xpg ddr5 ram, rtx 4060, 1tb MSI m.2 ssd, 650 psu and a MSI gaming B760 motherboard. I can upgrade to my hearts content. Just got a 4tb m.2 for the second slot. Next is a rtx 4070 super. Then a 13 or 14th gen i7 whenever they fix the issues with them lol😊
I have a low/mid range Acer Predator pre built with a 11400f and 3060ti from when the GPU shortage happened which prevented me from building anything within a decent price. Had to suck it up and buy the machine as similar builds were 500 above what I paid for this.
Gaming was a nightmare, CPU temps would jump up to over 80 degrees and then get throttled to bring it back down as the cooler was terrible, I found out that instead of the CPU fan speeding up the rear one would which sounded like the machine was taking off. I changed the CPU cooler with a small tower cooler (92mm fan due to the size of the case) and replaced the rear fan too.
The GPU is an awful blower card that also sounded like it was taking off, fortunately using MSI Afterburner to set a proper fan curve and undervolting the card has alleviated the problem there.
The Acer Predator software didn't enable me to set a fan curve, either a static speed which had a minimum speed of 60%, maximum speed or auto where the Acer software makes the decision. The rear fan reacted to the CPU temp more than the CPU fan so the cables got switched and now I can leave it in auto with no fear of the CPU getting too hot.
If I were going prebuilt again in the future I'd definitely avoid OEMs because at least i have more of a chance of having some semi decent cooling.
Acer's mantra seems to be "let it all burn".
At what point do you take the PC out of the case for better airflow 😅
I want to mention that on a lot and of modern systems that bios do come in a firmware package under Windows Updates. You can also see this on your bios download page where it notes the download package is a firmware package.
If you run Windows updates I'm sure you'd see it, more than likely under optional updates for this bios (firmware) update as Asus has it listed as an optional update right now.
Just wanted to give you a heads up on that and other than that love the videos, they are always entertaining and make the day go by faster!
You have to be off your rocker to trust a BIOS operation to Windoze... Holy hell!!
@@chrismay2298 it's been apart of windows for many years and is a normal process that most people don't even know happens half the time as if it's pushed by the manufacturer and is automatically installed through Windows update, so no, I'm not off my rockers.
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Regarding BIOS updates on prebuilt/laptops, usually Windows Update will push the firmware in an update package, so you don’t necessarily need to go fetch the update on the manufacturer’s website, unless you want to get it faster. Alternatively, some of the usual OEM software contain updaters for drivers and other various tools for the computer.
That's what I was thinking, but I didn't want to comment about it since I wasn't 100% sure that was the case
Yes Asus Armory Crate can update the BIOS. But not a lot of people would actually care to go look into it and there are no reminder or whatever. Also Armory Crate is just pretty bad, it's better to download the drivers on the website, and it's just better to uninstall it, and for RGB, well first "who cares" and also it's Aurora that manages RGB mostly...
Windows pushing BIOS updates is extremely uncomfortable.
I don't ever recommend updating your BIOS through software. It's much safer to do it through a thumb drive
I liked my NZXT prebuilt. you get to pick the parts you want and their cases are actually good since you get a pick of their Flow lineup of cases
Always look forward to the video every week. Love this guy.
Build Pro PC has a system for $1200 with an i5 12600k a d an RTX 4070. They have some of the best value I have ever seen. If you're looking for a splid prebuilt look into their PCs.
Gets sponsored from microcenter:
Realizes there's no microcenter in Canada:
Dawid is the Micro Center in Canada!
They seem to be adding 2-3 store a year. A city like Montreal might definitely catch their interest. I'm lucky, and have one 3 hours away. Yes, I go there, but not often.
dawid is in bc though
we aren’t going to get a microcenter for years
Majority of his viewers are from the us
TheComplexes
What is it you need ???
micro center: is for stupid people only, he is the weirdo !
he will hitch to the US, not a smart guy...
Run Forrest levels...
normal store does not sell it ???
Keep up the good work. Also, good luck in Canada
Always terrified to build my own so I went with an HP Omen last year. Got it on sale for a great price and it's been awesome.
The Intel CPU issue won't show up on a brand new PC.
If the ASUS bloatware tells you that there is a new BIOS and helps install it there is some chance that the CPU won't blow up.
Its just too bad that ASUS doesn't tell you the BIOS is a critical update.
Who’s watching in 1924?
lol😂
It's 1824 here
2077 here
i'm watching this in 2010
You too? Can we meet up, my power cell ran out and Im stuck in this time
Wait the Asus bloatware doesn't nag you to install updates? That's crazy considering the risk involved.
I got an MSI Codex prebuilt earlier this year and have been extremely happy with it. Great part configuration, no shady proprietary stuff, no low end variants of the parts. I have since changed the gpu, case, and cpu cooler but still using the original fans, cpu, mobo, and psu. Those changes were simple upgrades or aesthetic preferences, nothing wrong the actual parts that were swapped
Wait, so you paid double for components in a prebuilt that you could have bought yourself, just to move and replace those components in less than a year...? What exactly are you bragging about? I legitemately want to understand this logic.
@@chrismay2298 Who would expect that someone who watches Dawid's videos would want to buy a PC and swap out parts? Unbelievable!
@@chrismay2298 i actually paid less than if i got the parts myself and built it. Saved about $175 vs doing it myself. Im all for building my own, have plenty of times but bestbuy actually had a great deal. Paid $800 for it. Then i sold the parts i swapped out and it damn near paid for the gpu upgrade. So i actually made out ahead of buying and building myself. Just have to shop around for sales!
@@MontagueZooma can actually make money if you shop sales lol.
@@chrismay2298 normally id disagree because there is a real logic to prebuilts. way less hassle if anything goes wrong. dont need to mess with things to get it working.
but then the guy mentioned he changed out everything and i was thinking the same things you were lmao. he wasted so much time and money on that. keeping the psu and mobo was a terrible idea too because thats ALWAYS where prebuilts go cheap.
Maybe the bulling WORKED? KEKW! Well done Dawid! Well done!
I have the previous gen Lenovo prebuilt. it's a nice case, with a glass side and nice RGB. It came with dual channel ram and a nice cooler for the CPU. It's been running great since I bought it, very quiet with no signs of slowing down. I've bought a few Lenovos since they were IBMs; and they were always solid.
Thank God they finally added real air vent holes. I'm not too technically sound but would removing the transparent side (front ones too if the internal hardware is not too close) panels and drilling more holes cause any perceived issues?
You should test CPU performance and cooling with long duration at maximum load like cinebench, you did it in the past.
It's will show you how much they cheap out with Insufficient cooling and poor VRM.
They're moving back to Santa Clara?! Yay!! I have no desire to build a new PC right now but I will do what I can to welcome them back.
Bloatware is such a pain - when I worked for a small business IT company many years ago we used to format the HD and install fresh windows on every PC we supplied because it was faster than uninstalling all of the junk. Most likely the margins on prebuilt PCs are low (particularly at the low end) they get some kind of kickback for installing a bunch of software which can hustle the users into upgrading, subscribing, etc.
Dawid! You crack me up! I LOVE ALL THESE VIDEOS!!!
Absolutely if you buy the right brand like skytech gaming
12:30 nice keyboard in the background, I use the same exact one as my main keyboard for almost 7 months now XD
Ah yes, dawid reviewing OEM crap boxes.
My favourite kind of content.
Hey Dawid, you should do another vid on Micro center’s PowerSpec line again.
I got a nice config system from pc specialist, 7900xtx. Good cooling, what is dod was put a mini desk fan blowing into the front vent, and i put a usb fan rack on the top so effectively drawing air out of the top. Really simple and cheap solution even though it was cooling fine, this is to top it off
@8:09 my jaw dropped when I saw that price. A THOUSAND $!? You can seriously just get the parts you need and make a decent system for the same amount of money. It's not even that much harder imo, I am dumb asfk and also the clumsiest man on earth and I still managed to buy parts and build my PC, and I reckon I can do it better next time. It's truly awe inspiring how much these OEMs are willing to capitalize on the lazy tax. I know it's mostly gonna be parents buying this for their kid but SURELY as time moves on that will have to change as we're not in the boomer grew up without computers generation anymore. Parents these days are like 28 - 40 y/o, surely they would know better!
I bought a pre-built on clearance from Microcenter for $900 a year ago: 13700KF, 2 tb SSD, 32 gb DDR5 (but only 4800), EVGA 3070, 240mm AIO, Lian Li case. Clearance isn’t the norm but I still feel I got an excellent rig for what I paid.
Ahh my all time favourite combo, Dawid and OEM prebuilts 😂
Why is ventilation always an issue? It seems like that is always a very easy fix. So why don’t they?
Most major OEMs are very slow to change. Their PC case designs were made back when PCs generated half as much heat and they are slow to adopt new designs due how big they are. They also love to cheap out on components to maximize profit margins. Dell uses a single chassis design across all of their desktop products to simplify the manufacturing process, so the alienwares just use optiplex cases but with a plastic shell covering them.
@@konga382 I’ve honestly never played a computer game before. Last game I played was on Nintendo 64. Anyways adding some holes for ventilation seems so easy to do. It’s like they put looks over function.
They just don't care and saving on money
Simple: They want it to die sooner than later so you buy another one or cannot pass it to someone else when it's time to upgrade. That and the situation on single DIMM of ram is ridiculous.
@@Tarukeys honestly with DDR5 a single stick of RAM is fine as long as it’s not too small like 8GB
Hey...that new office/work space looks good Dawid!👏👏
I really like the shelving😍
New lighting/camera setup looks WAY better on camera than before too!
Gosh they must watch your channel, taking careful notes, and using them to make SUCH LITTLE CHANGE.
Even sticking more RAM in an oldie bottom ender like my Acer XC885 is a good idea. Skimping on the RAM in an enthusiast computer just so they can make an extra five bucks or whatever seems kind of churlish.
I was at a Best Buy last weekend and saw one of the Legion desktops. It's frickin' beautiful. I kinda want one.
Highly recommend AlphaSync if you're in the UK.
You gotta buy from sky tech. I really enjoy their Shiva 2 I bought. Good case, lots of fan, no bloatware. Well the RGB app didn't work right for me. Lol. 2 STICKS OF RAM RUNNING AT FULL SPEED. seriously, they are great and have regular sales on Amazon and new egg.
Funny thing. I bought an Alienware (First and last prebuilt PC) back in 2004 before Dell. It had a dual tower cooler for the CPU with an 80mm fan in the middle for a Pentium D 3.0GHz CPU. It also had an ASUS SLI MoBo and a EVGA 7800GTX and Dual Channel RAM and a Creative SB Audigy 2 also a SilverStone 650W PSU that was basically a hairdryer. Man have they made some leaps and bounds backwards.
Side Note: That SilverStone PSU, I got it back from a friend a few years ago (2018 or 19) and hooked up a Core 2 Quad 9550 and a GTX 680 and tried playing Crysis 3 and the PC shut off after 5 minutes. Tried it again and got another 2 minutes out of it. Then I reinstalled my Cooler Master 650W I bought back in 2009 (5 years new PSU), and it had no issues, played for an hour or so. This is why to this day I think SilverStone is just bad. The heat that came out of it (on the Alienware) and it falls on its face when under any actual load.
love ur videos bro ❤
I bought my first prebuilt, an Acer Predator Orion P03-600. And it's quiet good, i got it for 200 euro on the used market. It has a i5 8400, 8gb dual channel memory(In the wrong order, but i fixed that) GTX 1060 6GB (Upgrading it atm to a Arc A750.) It's very quiet i havent heard the fans at all.
Was that the curb stomped LG OLED monitor? I love mine, but it is free of curb stomping. Best fun part of Dell PC's are the structural CPU Coolers, the cooler screws into the motherboard tray. its fun!
bought micro centers brand of pre built. had a 5800x3d, RX 7600(terrible combo for a 1080p pc) 1 stick of 16gb ram, 512 gb m.2 ssd, but the big thing is the case, idk the name of the case but its amazing, vents and mesh on the top, bottom, front, back bonus is that all the parts are off the shelf so you get that cheaper price. paid 860 usd for this, spent 400 on an RX 7700xt, and bought another 16gb stick of ram. later on bought a 1bg ssd and now it went from a 1080p gaming pc to a 1440p PC/ low end 4k PC
2:06 A helicopter went by and it was noisy as hell, combined with this hellish nightmare of a problem. What an impeccable timing!
Your videos are always interesting and provide an additional level of humour that's otherwise missing from this boring(?) field! My last Dell PC was my impetus for building my own PCs after that. What a dumpster-fire that was, with, among other things plastic drive brackets which went brittle after a few years, depositing said hard drives at the bottom of the case. And is for building your own PC, there's very little that beats that sense of accomplishment when you finish putting everything together and press that power button, and .... "IT'S ALIVE!" . Ok, maybe I've set the accomplishment bar a bit low, but still ...
Giving the consumer a free option to get dual channel RAM (aka not get screwed) is something a sadist would do.
I really don't get it. If it's free, why not make it the default ? Do they want their customers to be less satisfied by their product ? That doesn't seem to be a good business decision imo.
Steps after buying a pre-built.
1 - Make a bootable USB with Windows.
2 - Get the Windows key for later.
3 - Note all software required for fan control etc for later.
4 - Reinstall windows. Nobody wants that dodgy "anti" malware.
With Windows 10 and 11, if the system is already activated, shouldn't the new installation of Windows detect the system? I haven't tried it yet.
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Or 3. Set fan curves and disable all RGB in BIOS
@@TrusteftTech im pretty sure it will just automatically apply whatever version of windows key is stored on the firmware
@@TrusteftTech It will. OEM systems come with an OEM Windows key that's stored in the BIOS.
I had the 14th gen issue happen a few days ago. My 14600kf just shot up to 98c and my corsair aio whent into panic mode and sent my fans into 100%. So I guess I have to thank corsair for making icue. Which is weird seeing how many keep bashing the software. Got the micro code update installed now and its better.
Second best series (best is the mini-pc ones)
Glad to see the ailenwares using the XPS style case, my XPS8950 has been a complete tank (why i got it) no dumb gamer crap and excellent support for what i need, even grafted a 7900xtx in mine. Dells proprietary parts are fine honestly, they tend to be common across XPS, Precision, and Optiplex lines and rarely cost more then standard parts. The mechanical and thermal performance is much better then what ive seen with modern all glass garbage cases.
I bought a skytech chronos with a 12th gen i7 and a 3080 about a year ago. The led on the rear fan went out due to a short on the controller, and it was missing screws on the board and hdd screws, but it'll keep me good long into the future.
I am now going to be keeping my eye out for the OEM 40 series cards.
I’m still running my hp omen 870-224 prebuilt from 2017 with a few upgrades and it’s pretty good
@Dawid Does Tech Stuff, we really need these is South Africa. As an EdTech Teacher I would love to show these to the eGaming Club at my school.
ur hair looks awesome dude, suits you real well
I love that he’s holding camera lenses and not binoculars in the thumbnail.
Hahaha same 😂
The reason for the large power spike on CS2 is it does shader compilation when loading the first time.
I enjoy watching you do "Tech Tuff"
My 2019 Alienware with an 9700k and nvidia 2080 super still works like a charm. Yes it’s getting dated but zero failures.
Gotta love how pre-builts are finally stepping up their game this year! It's like they finally listened to us gamers, right? 😂 But the real question is, do these things actually last? I feel like I need a magic 8-ball for that. 🙃
Love it all!!! More content please!!!!
"Quadriad" damn that word is tight.
I had a brick of an Asus laptop for about 6 months until they fixed THEIR bios issue. After that update, it quit randomly freezing up during videos and its an excellent laptop to this day.
Asus needs to really get their crap sorted out when it comes to software
, firmware and BIOS. Hardware-wise, I've been happy with them.
Acer ,HP , ASUS, laughing at Dell for the logo just being there😂😅
i think the companies that churn out these pre-builts should have the decency to do the Bios Update them selfs, its in there own best interests if they wanna avoid complaints, RMA's refunds and maintaining customer loyalty.
That Dell has three cooling fans pulling through the top mesh to liquid cool the CPU. The slot at the front goes to a mesh panel, but there are no fans in the panel. So, 3 fans on top for the CPU radiator and one fan at the back.
I love OEM prebuilt videos ❤
i bought a skytech pc its solid all consumer parts only thing is the power supply should have been better but for 900 it was a steal with 32gb of ddr5 and a 4060
My current pc was a last gen lenovo prebuilt. The only thing lenovo now is the case. But let me tell you how nice it is that everything was standard in it. R5 3600 and 1650 super 8gb ram upgraded to r7 5800x 3070 and 32 gb ram. All in the same case, is nice
7:00 single stick DDR5 isn't compromised as previous generations of memory.
Why does it cost $50/stick more for XMP enabled? It’s cheaper to have 5600MT/s without XMP? Show me how that works. Maybe some tuning and matching, but highly doubt it.
@@dotcom624XMP makes it more expensive because it's intel's proprietary tech and they charge a fat fee for it
dawid the tech dougal{magic roundabout series}thanks for the video.
A 10dBA difference means that the new one is only half as loud as the old model. So I guess they really did a decent job.
You notice that computer at 5:30 doesn't have motherboard screws in it.
I've built 100's of PCs for work, and I got that OLD model Asus 2 years ago. Didn't want to play whack a mole with parts being in stock. With a R7 5800x and RTX3060 it plays the few games I have flawlessly and gets real work done, maybe a little AI too. Gamers Nexus said it didn't totally suck.
How do you like Ringmaster? He has become one of my favorite soft supports!
Dawid, please use your influence and tell Microcenter to put a store in the Pacic Northwest. Seattle next, please, Microcenter! Pretty please...🙏
As a Lenovo prebuilt owner, they are very good for the money. They are also customize friendly. My brother has an Ibuypower prebuilt, and they are very on par, but mine has better cable management.
Power draw isn't the issue.. that CPU can use 220w of max power during load screens. The problem is high voltages, at high load, while at high temperature. Those 3 combinations of things cause degredation. If you have high power, at high temps, with low voltage, you never have a problem. TVB voltage optimization was made for this very reason and was what the 0x129 microcode mainly fixed. Since intel claimed it had a bug in the code.
my friend has asus rog strix pc with 3070 r7 5800x 16gb and 1tb nvme ssd. it does not suck. edit: he got dual channel ram and got very great cooler.
@zxqhyr my friend got it for 1500 euros
@zxqhyr cheap fans too, like Apevia fans, and if the case has Apevia fans there is a 99% chance the PSU is Apevia too. the ARGB led color dims or become off color just from heat over time while the light diffusers just pop off from their poorly made friction clips and then you gotta super glue them. The cases with front glass look cool but perform like doo doo because the front fans can't do anything besides look pretty. The keyboards and mouses are usually brand new Ewaste too, like cyberpower, their mice and keyboards are some of the worst build quality I have ever seen.
I'm a big fan of Dell Precision xeon workstations. They've been very premium for a long time. And you can swap drives in and out with caddies in seconds. You get 4 or 8 channel ram (depending on the number of processors) and ecc ram is more reliable.
i got a cyberpower myself, when it came, it was 16 gigs of ddr4, rtx 3070 EVGA XC3, and a i7 12700k
but i upgraded to 4000mhz ddr4 and it works great, so this was a rare pickup for me, but cyberpower pc, is it good?
for my next upgrade in 2025, id love to know THE BEST si maker?
After having to chase a weird problem I understand the appeal of prebuilts now.
Time to do an OEM vs SI showdown. Similarly priced Digital Storm vs Alienware etc..
The OEM software does do firmware/BIOS updates, at least on Asus. If the customer logged in to MyAsus to register the warranty (LOL), they'll get notified of the BIOS update and it will update it for them.
I wish i listened to you 3 years ago. Good LORD what have I done?!?