100K views......... When and how!!!???? Of course I'm so happy about this, it's so amazing to see that the Lisa community it's still active like their golden years, thank you very much to all of you, I never expected that the video would get the attention of this amount of users, and also thanks for all the new subscribers, a new Lisa video is coming out tomorrow
You know, it's kinda painful to watch that comparison. It took immense willpower from Brad to abstain from Joy for the sake of his friends and his daughter, he suffers from horrible withdrawals and hallucinations because of it, and the people who he does it for... Doesn't give a shit. "You're a drug addict" "No, I swear, I quit, you have to belive me" "Don't give me that crap" The only person who actually cares about it is a random guy you met on your way to save your daughter.
That's the way people are, sadly. No one ever sees you, they only see the image of you they made in their heads. And for a lot of people, probably the majority of people, that means firmly believing you're still making the same mistakes. Sometimes years after you've changed, they'll still see you that way. They don't know you changed, they didn't see any change. Because they weren't there to see anything, so they just fixate on who you were when they knew you and believe you never changed. I don't have a personal trauma with this issue, I don't know what you're talking about.
@@SaganTheKhajiit my wife gets this attitude with her family as well :( always remember that what the people that really, actually love you and/or care about you, think about you, matters infinitely more than what people who treat you so callously think about you sorry if that didn't make enough sense, english isn't my first language
I think the coolest thing about this that it makes you think: If nothing in the story changes, then what is the point of not taking joy? Just take the thing for it's benefits, right? But that's where the beauty is, since it means Brad tried, knowing it likely wouldn't change anything at all, except making his life substantially harder, which shows how good of a person he really became through his efforts. He did this solely to become a better person, EVEN IF the world wasn't gonna reward him for it, ever. That's just fucking badass.
In the game, you get Ajeet Mandeep as a reward. In a way, this does alludes to real life: if you have a principle and you stuck by it in spite of your temptations and the world not acknowledging and if anything demonizing you, but in the end you managed to pull through, there will be people who with resonant virtue who are willing to stand up for what they believe is right. Edit: slight Oppenheimer spoiler: take the ending of the movie as an example
Holds no sense by itself. But the efforts he've done - that's a different story. Nothing has changed? He changed. It doesn't matter to anyone? It matters for him. Yes, it is badass.
Thats also what makes Disco Elysium so special as well. The short-term drawbacks of drug use are *vastly* offset by the benefits, and theres no real change to anything to the story if you do choose to use them. However, you still have the choice to never take drugs despite the benefits, even outright refusing to indulge the urges in your head. You can even unlock a perk that all it really does is cause drugs to no longer even *give* a positive effect. The only difference is right at the end where you can proudly state you stayed clean during the whole investigation, but even that doesn't change much beyond a personal sense of accomplishment. Its things like that that so many so-called RPGs miss nowadays. Sometimes the *point* of something is to play a role. And if you decide you want to see this broken man try to put himself back together and go clean despite the drawbacks it would give you, then you can
Gotta feel bad for Brad. Man does everything in his power to vlean up his act and stop taking joy, yet in the end he still remains a monster to everyone he crosses paths with and his prior failings villainize him in the eyes of the few people he could confide in, with even Buddy dehumanizing both herself and him and distancing herself from Brad just to feel some semblance of freedom and control. It's a tragically futile effort to stop embracing the joy, yet one that's worth pursuing nonetheless just so Brad can go out with one good notch on his belt.
@@SuperNormalMan Brad was screwed from the very start of the game itself,he had already been taking joy for a long time so the grave consequences were inevitable.
@@thevarikguy5224 indeed. Makes me all the more vehement about making sure Alex and Joel don't take any in the full release of Pointless. My heart won't be able to take seeing a Joy Mutant Alex or Joel.
The first time I ever played I did it joyless. Not because I thought it would effect anything, but after watching brad quit in the intro and fall back into it I didn't want him to keep hurting himself.
I did the same thing. I noticed that while he went back for the pills he didn't take any as you can clearly see he dropped three off the cliff and you have three in your inventory at the start.
These "significant" changes aren't such at all. I beat the game joyless and it only lead to 2-3 lines about quitting joy. This was ridiculously unerwhelming as it doesnt even make the plot go any different. All you get is a broken plot and a meh cutscene, which is too small for dumb amount of debuffs you get for joyless.
There's a little story I have with this: once I played this game, I already knew taking Joy at any point in the game changes ending (or maybe achievements spoiled it for me, not really relevant) and deliberately abstained from using it to see it. Didn't really think this would change some dialogues, only learned it now, man, what a breakthrough that game was back in the day. There's more to it, though. As I got stuck on Hallucination of Sticky, no other moves worked, so, after 5+ tries (and sloooow moving through cutscenes before the fight) I decided to Joy Brad, to see if it would affect things that much. I got Buzzo dialogue about taking Joy without Brad telling him that he quit AND I got the dialogue after the epilogue (and the achievement, to boot) of the Joyless ending somehow. Maybe a missed moment, or maybe using Joy in a hallucination doesn't count, except for the fact that Brad realises that, were things to be more desperate, he would fall for it easily, and doesn't try to deny Buzzo because of it. Such a gem of a detail, really.
@@thevarikguy5224 true, comments under such videos are a great part of these potentially niche moments Also, in retrospect, I should've tried getting Brad drunk instead of Joyed, it gives tons of crits too
I remind you that someone probably in their first game played the joyless ending and played the whole game again just to get the joy ending, just a joyless fail
"Everyone's really let go... It's _painful_ to watch..." - Roll credits! [Cinema Sins ding] Memes aside, I like this kind of "all roads lead to one end" storyline. In the end, it doesn't really matter if Brad took the joy or not. He'll lose some potential allies, he'll have slightly different conversations, sure, but he'll become a mutant anyway. By not taking joy, however, no matter how hard it gets, no matter how alluring it may be, he's fighting it. Him resisting the addiction, doing his best to be better than what people say about him, is worth more than just taking the easy way out. He may have been doomed, but he at least tried.
@@PitLord777 I've only seen it being used as a bad example, could you elaborate? I don't think I ever played any of their games of even watched a full playthrough.
@@imthecoolestguyalive In a typical Telltale game, none of your choices really affect the ultimate ending that much. "All roads lead to one end" as you said. There's lots of "He'll lose some potential allies, he'll have slightly different conversations" too. The choices you make mostly only affect how the central NPCs perceive your character, or even how the player character perceives themselves. But the end is usually pre-determined, although it's always built-up and doesn't come from nowhere (even if you hope otherwise). But as you said again, who your character chooses to be in their linear journey is what makes the games great. Unfortunately, Telltale Games markets and introduces their games that choices DO affect the story. I mean, they do, but not in any significant way. And some of their games coincided with the game 'Until Dawn', where the choices you make DO matter in how the game ends. So there, the brief summary of Telltale Games. I like their games, especially the stories they tell, but I understand the hate that people give them for lying about the choices stuff.
@@PitLord777 I don't think it's lying. I feel like we just associate "choices" with "many an ending" too much. The story does change, even if the final cutscene is the same. Thank you for the summary either way.
Lisa is such an underrated gem, its as timeless as any other popular RPGmaker game, the story is both dark and engaging, the characters are packed with charm, and to top it all off, the gameplay is painful (unless you use joy, joy always felt like the hidden easy mode), just like the title says!
This game for me is always a masterpiece, both its main game and sequel easily outmatch The Last of Us 1 and 2 for its story and narrative. Buddy is exactly how Ellie should had been in the second game.
I remember playing this like 6 years ago, thinking "what is the point of not taking joy if like nothing changes??? It's probably just for those masochist hardcore players." I now realize this portrays drug addiction so damn well - so much effort, for practically no reward. Every day feels debilitating, especially knowing there's an easy way out, but you keep on pushing. Why? - Who knows? Maybe it's to be better, to fit into what is considered good, maybe it's for those you care about, perhaps the combination of all above - one thing remains certain, it's practically impossible staying sober every single day, yet you have to keep on pushing, and you're never 100% sure it's even worth it, but there are some things in life that don't have to be absolutely rational and justified to, you know, be worth it. Sometimes it's just thinking about someone you care so much for, someone who cares so much about you, which makes every single day of your life, knowing you'll never ever be able to feel as good as you could, be worth it.
@@LadyGendercide when I was writing that comment, I was 3 months sober. I am almost a year sober now, and yeah, totally, I have a loving girlfriend, I'm performing well in university, and I might be getting a job in the Embassy of my country soon. I really had my doubts all throughout this journey, and you can clearly see the fear and uncertainty in my text, but hell yeah stay sober guys
@@weeb_dweeb this profile picture was actually made by a viewer of mine like years ago. I really like it when people mention it, cause it reminds me of those times
A funny thing to note about Ajeet's interaction. He doesn't respond that way if you only take 1 joy, or for that matter, if you take 3 or more. Ajeet's coding is fucked in such a way that he only recognizes you've taken joy if you've taken exactly two pills over the course of your playthrough. He will otherwise act as if you've never taken it, and will join your party as a result.
Someone still posting Lisa the painful content in 2022? Thank you good sir, for spreading the “joy” of Lisa the painful. Reading all the comments makes me glad with how players experienced the game and how we can all agree about how much Brad truly tried in the joyless route.
It's fascinating to me that I am a fan of this series mostly for seeing some characters and just hearing the music, I really slowly each time want to do more and more, and help the community in any way I can
I always loved Lisa for the little details like these, I remember back then I would dig the game up to see if there was an way to denied the joy from buzzo lol
what's interesting to me about joy is that in gameplay, it perfectly encapsulates what drugs are like. in my experience, joyless runs are a lot easier, since you don't have to deal with withdrawal, and you're able to sell your joy for a good amount of mags. joy runs, however, are a lot tougher; sure, the pills make boss fights a lot easier, but the overall effects are not worth it. just like in real life, taking joy is just a quick high that ends up going against you.
Wow didn't realize there was dialog differences since I played and beat the game two times a few years apart. I was under the impression only the ending changed. Awesome vid my dude lisa in 2022 and beyond !
That's because indie games don't have access to professional artists and million-dollar marketing budgets so people who make these smaller games need to make sure that the story they're telling makes up for more limited resources. That's why I'll always enjoy smaller games more than big-budget games, smaller ones have more 'heart' put into them :)
I played this game like 3 years ago when I was depressed and it magnificently captures the feeling of it so well. Probably one of the best RPG’s I ever played.
This was great to see, I never used joy when played so I wasnt aware of how much it influences things it just didn't feel right since he went through the trouble in the beginning, I felt it'd be heart breaking to do so and in a way I was right, the blow was definitely softened by abstaining the addiction.
Even though this game may be very difficult depending on if you use and don’t use joy. Just seeing the difference it makes on Brad makes me all the more sad for him….. but he did. He did try his best.
Funny thing is i never used joy in my very first play through and finished the game without any difficulty(also got the secret ending unintentionally). I didn't even know what it does,all the while along the playthrough brad dealt 0 damage during sometimes and i would get random blinking red screens but i never questioned WHY i got that nor did i think consuming joy would fix that. I thought that the game is just programmed this way and supposed to give a hard challenge to the player(the perma death of party members convinced me that the 0 damage thing was probably also the same case...) Haha
To me even if things stay the same. The little dialogue changes makes Brad sound different to me. Like if he is on joy he sounds like lunatic who is ashamed. However if he is sober he is thinking more clearly, but also upset yet not sounding like a madman
This was my first playthrough, PAINFUL Mode, Joyless, Terry Hintz all the way and I picked up Ajeet because he's the only Gigachad who recognized my efforts. Norm was to iconic to pass up. I refused to kill those soldiers on the mountain where the firebombs were, because I didn't have to. None of my men were kidnapped. Not on my watch. I spared my old friends even when they betrayed me. I had one arm by the end; selling all my gear beforehand and buying "midlife crisis" hats and then reselling them later. I had one last motorcycle ride by the beach. I cried when I had to kill my own men in the final battles. And I decided Brad deserved a hug.
I love how the gurl know about the blue pills and does not have brains to process the outcome of her new life. Brad was trying so hard to give her a normal life but..........well
I loved having Ajeet on my team. Had no idea you needed to be Joyless to get him but his debuffs were incredible along with some pretty potent attacks. I guess staying clean has its perks
you know it really does suck being a drug addict, this is very realistic, the mental struggle and pain it takes to push through your addiction, and then for people to not even believe you regardless of how hard you tried, kinda makes you WANT to take drugs after that, needless to say i know some of you who are addicts trying to detox are reading this message and many of you have felt what i have felt, it hurts so much to work on improving yourself just for people to see the same trashed up you, but don't threat, they might not believe you but we fellow addicts do, don't fall back, it only gets easier overtime.
Que juegazo, una experiencia que te corrompe de una forma como ningún otro en su clase. En el juego creemos que somos el héroe al principio, alguien que puede cambiar el mundo como en cualquier otro rpg, para darnos cuenta poco a poco de que, para el final, hemos matado a tantas personas como seguramente hizo Rando Brad no merecía mejor; tampoco Buddy. Merecían otro mundo y otros tiempos
De verdad que Lisa es un juego especial en estos aspectos por lo que mencionas, muestra como todo un mundo puede ser corrompido a través de la desaparición de mujeres y como a su vez puede provocar todo el caos que ocurrió en Olathe cuando se supo de la aparición de Buddy
@@Zekyb0y No me da buena espina decir que Lisa sea el peor personaje, ya existe Marty quien comienza el ciclo por abusar de Brad y Lisa con alto indicio de que violo a Lisa y aún asi se le critica a la niña pequeña que cuyo mundo estuvo enteramente lleno de dolor
@@katzea.a7880 no era tan pequeña (¿debió tener 12 tal vez?) al obligar que Buzzo matara a un gato y despues la cortara a ella. Pero son las palabras del autor, debe ser justificado por que nada hubiera sucedido si Lisa hubiera actuado de una forma mas correcta, no es mi opinión, concuerdo que Marty fuera el peor teniendo a Buzzo en segundo lugar en mi opinión.
@@Zekyb0y Nada hubiera sucedido si Marty no hubiese abusado de Lisa y Brad en primer lugar, por esto es que Brad se la pasa toda la vida sintiéndose culpable de lo que paso en su casa, toma joy, intentar salvar a Buddy y terminando peor que cuando comenzo. Se de niños que hacen cosas malas como esas después de todo vivo en un lugar un tanto peligroso pero no puedo implicar que sea su responsabilidad porque son comportamientos que adquirieron de alguien cercano a ellos, donde vivo es muy común que los pandilleros inicien a sus hijos en la pandilla con tareas violentas
throwback to that time i didn’t want any joy in my first play through but accidentally activated pain mode, also my first play through. i wanted to get that badge, and didn’t know that pain mode automatically makes it so you can’t get either. Now i only have bragging rights where i beat lisa first time on a joyless pain mode 😂😢
I don’t understand this game or the ending. I can see the joy thing is a drug and obviously by the context it’s a military weapon that causes the user to transform even if they have just one dose or something. But what’s the ending.
Well, the joy ending isn't a big special thing, it's just Brad mutated after his joy addiction, the joyless ending it's the same as the other but with a final scene that happens before the women extinct in the world, I recommend to you to see a video of the topic if you wanna know more about the history
Yado was developing Joy for one of two reasons. It could either have been as a weapon, which failed to be accepted by the military. Enraged by his failure, he used Joy to control the populace of Olathe after the Flash. How much Yado had to do with the Flash itself is not ever explicitly divulged, I think. The other possibility is that Yado was planning his own personal apocalypse from the start, and developed Joy under the guise of it being a weapon, until he was able to manufacture enough to go all out.
Wait, is there any real change with the ending? Except that you see some of the background, the only big difference during the game is that one guy is willing to join you where usually he would not have if you took joy
if you want to get REALLY specific info about the changes with the ending: - There are (3) ending dialogues you can get, they're over a black screen after brad turns to a boneless boy-wonder - The ONLY thing that influences these dialogues (which all have their respective achievement tied to it) is whether you used joy or not, and if you beat the game on 'Pain Mode' - IF you beat the game on 'Pain Mode': You will ALWAYS get the pain mode ending dialogue - OTHERWISE, the dialogue is based on whether or not you did joy EVEN ONCE (not counting cutscenes) the dialogues are somewhat important to understanding the characters and story more (moreso in joyful), but joy REALLY doesn't affect a whole lot during the game which kinda blows
@@elgatochurro Nothing changes during the game (besides normal joyless run changes). Pain mode opens a locked door in the creep-filled neighborhood area (door with a camera) on the far end, changes ending (along with fair amt. of substantial changes to enemies and bosses, plus limited saves). All the usual stuff, but joyless AND pain? Nah, no real differences with the two together.
On my first playthrough, I got the true ending by accident because I didn't know what the blue icon above Brad's head was. I just assumed he was going through withdrawal and never thought to give him joy.
I played this game on the hardest difficulty and on pain mode and found out you could break the game by fighting in the wrestling match over and over again
Ok so Post apocalyptic world that happened because uh... All woman in the world disappeared? With that humanity cant reproduce and the world kinda goes insane Then one day, the bald tough guy protagonist Brad finds a baby somewhere and then he finds out that its a woman so he raises her but uh I dont wanna spoil too much because this game is amazing so i would recommend you playing instead or you can say fuck it and idk watch a video of it
I did painful Joyless, the game truly lived up to its namesake when I did that route. Shame, because I think back then the route was overwritten by painful mode so it was just... an unnecessary trial of hardship. Still one of my favorite indie games though.
I don't know is if it's a Mandela effect, but I remember joyless runs having Brad just dying off filled with arrows, like how Buddy remembers him as he is shown as apparitions over the course of the Joyful, not even able to fight Rando. Doesn't make sense since Buzzo tried really hard to hold him off as a joy mutant and Rando being beaten to hell is a core part of Joyful, but I just replayed the game expecting it to happen and it never did.
Man, in less than a week you got 500 more subs and over 120k views on this video. Really amazing dude. Hope to see you strive more in this community and other things you choose to do
Thanks for the kind words pal, it was a great surprise for me the amount of views on this video and the subscribers of the channel on these days, it shows how the Lisa community is still active like a few years ago. I wish you the best as well!
didn’t they make an apocalyptic london action-adventure video game developed by Compulsion Games and published by Gearbox Publishing. In 2016, an early access version was released for Windows, with the full game seeing wide release for PlayStation 4, Windows, and Xbox One in August 2018 about why you don’t do this
I think you need to know a little context of the game to understand it, but in a few words: This video shows the dialogue differences that the rpg "Lisa: The Painful" shows if you use the item "Joy" in your game, a drug that our protagonist Brad is addicted to it
I played the painful mode and I didn’t see the joyless ending and???? Buzzo is a sick freak for force feeding us joy when he knows it’ll make us into a freakshow. Tf is wrong with him...
para os br que estiver vendo a tradução das falas do final sem alegria embora a alegria não seja útil para nossos investidores eles dizem que não pode ser usado como arma uma vez que entra em vigor, o usuário começa a perder o controle eles não podem mais fazer escolhas por si mesmos, apenas os desejos mais íntimos do usuário aparecem a única vantagem é que não é preciso muita alegria para iniciar a transformação mas ainda assim eles dizem que não tem benefícios militares eu acho que isso significa suficiente eu sei disso desde o começo, seu idiota o que eles cumpriram o seu propósito, recebemos o dinheiro deles e agora eles se foram e agora é hora de eu construir meu mundo yado, você está agindo como um louco essa coisa toda desmoronou você perdeu todo o tempo para deixar isso passar cale-se se você se sente assim, então por que não vá embora ''' exatamente nós dois temos nossas razões para ficar além disso eu tenho um plano e o que é isso? Nancy eu vou usá-la Jesus Cristo, yado essa é sua filha e além disso você não pode esperar que isso funcione, não será tão simples você é maluco Bernardo Bernardo Bernardo uma vez que você prova um poder como esse você me entende yado pela última vez meu nome não é Bernard, é buzzo
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100K views......... When and how!!!????
Of course I'm so happy about this, it's so amazing to see that the Lisa community it's still active like their golden years, thank you very much to all of you, I never expected that the video would get the attention of this amount of users, and also thanks for all the new subscribers, a new Lisa video is coming out tomorrow
is this a game
@@senuraadithya9350 Yes, it's an rpg called Lisa: The Painful
Bless the youtube algorithm gods! In all honesty,LISA is probably the best RPG Maker game of all time.
@@-BarathKumarS This man right here only says facts
Clever title btw
Joy route: you are screwed you took joy
Joyless route: "I quitted that shit" "lmao too l8 loser"
Real
i mean, if you get addicted for 10 years it probably won't matter whether you quit it a week before dying
I mean Buzzo force fed him a bunch earlier in the game, so yeah pretty much.
@@lanxcapo7496 If i remember right ending slightly changes for Joyless Brad tho ?
@@skell6134 Namely you get a small cutscene after Brad mutates and crawls into Buddy's temporary shelter.
You know, it's kinda painful to watch that comparison.
It took immense willpower from Brad to abstain from Joy for the sake of his friends and his daughter, he suffers from horrible withdrawals and hallucinations because of it, and the people who he does it for... Doesn't give a shit.
"You're a drug addict"
"No, I swear, I quit, you have to belive me"
"Don't give me that crap"
The only person who actually cares about it is a random guy you met on your way to save your daughter.
Poor Brad man....
Really says something about first impressions and change for ones own benefit
"The damage has already been done"
That's the way people are, sadly. No one ever sees you, they only see the image of you they made in their heads. And for a lot of people, probably the majority of people, that means firmly believing you're still making the same mistakes. Sometimes years after you've changed, they'll still see you that way. They don't know you changed, they didn't see any change. Because they weren't there to see anything, so they just fixate on who you were when they knew you and believe you never changed.
I don't have a personal trauma with this issue, I don't know what you're talking about.
@@SaganTheKhajiit my wife gets this attitude with her family as well :( always remember that what the people that really, actually love you and/or care about you, think about you, matters infinitely more than what people who treat you so callously think about you
sorry if that didn't make enough sense, english isn't my first language
I think the coolest thing about this that it makes you think: If nothing in the story changes, then what is the point of not taking joy? Just take the thing for it's benefits, right? But that's where the beauty is, since it means Brad tried, knowing it likely wouldn't change anything at all, except making his life substantially harder, which shows how good of a person he really became through his efforts. He did this solely to become a better person, EVEN IF the world wasn't gonna reward him for it, ever. That's just fucking badass.
In the game, you get Ajeet Mandeep as a reward. In a way, this does alludes to real life: if you have a principle and you stuck by it in spite of your temptations and the world not acknowledging and if anything demonizing you, but in the end you managed to pull through, there will be people who with resonant virtue who are willing to stand up for what they believe is right.
Edit: slight Oppenheimer spoiler: take the ending of the movie as an example
Holds no sense by itself. But the efforts he've done - that's a different story. Nothing has changed? He changed. It doesn't matter to anyone? It matters for him. Yes, it is badass.
agreed
Thats also what makes Disco Elysium so special as well. The short-term drawbacks of drug use are *vastly* offset by the benefits, and theres no real change to anything to the story if you do choose to use them.
However, you still have the choice to never take drugs despite the benefits, even outright refusing to indulge the urges in your head. You can even unlock a perk that all it really does is cause drugs to no longer even *give* a positive effect. The only difference is right at the end where you can proudly state you stayed clean during the whole investigation, but even that doesn't change much beyond a personal sense of accomplishment.
Its things like that that so many so-called RPGs miss nowadays. Sometimes the *point* of something is to play a role. And if you decide you want to see this broken man try to put himself back together and go clean despite the drawbacks it would give you, then you can
One must imagine Sisyphus happy.
Gotta feel bad for Brad. Man does everything in his power to vlean up his act and stop taking joy, yet in the end he still remains a monster to everyone he crosses paths with and his prior failings villainize him in the eyes of the few people he could confide in, with even Buddy dehumanizing both herself and him and distancing herself from Brad just to feel some semblance of freedom and control.
It's a tragically futile effort to stop embracing the joy, yet one that's worth pursuing nonetheless just so Brad can go out with one good notch on his belt.
Joy is a truly nightmare when you realize that by just taking one you're gonna mutate in some point
He stops but later Buzzo gives you like 5 pills in a row and ends like that.
So in the end, it doesn't matter, you're still screwed, no matter what.
So why even bother?
@@SuperNormalMan Brad was screwed from the very start of the game itself,he had already been taking joy for a long time so the grave consequences were inevitable.
@@thevarikguy5224 indeed. Makes me all the more vehement about making sure Alex and Joel don't take any in the full release of Pointless. My heart won't be able to take seeing a Joy Mutant Alex or Joel.
The first time I ever played I did it joyless. Not because I thought it would effect anything, but after watching brad quit in the intro and fall back into it I didn't want him to keep hurting himself.
I did the same thing. I noticed that while he went back for the pills he didn't take any as you can clearly see he dropped three off the cliff and you have three in your inventory at the start.
@@Fronzel41
Interesting.
Small but significant changes is what makes the lisa series so engaging. Changes in an capacity just turns on my neurons, can't get enough of it.
The little details like this are always the best
These "significant" changes aren't such at all. I beat the game joyless and it only lead to 2-3 lines about quitting joy. This was ridiculously unerwhelming as it doesnt even make the plot go any different. All you get is a broken plot and a meh cutscene, which is too small for dumb amount of debuffs you get for joyless.
@@igl0bruh693 true
@@igl0bruh693 yeah, going joyless is more of a skill test more than anything
this also turns me on
my neurons i mean
There's a little story I have with this: once I played this game, I already knew taking Joy at any point in the game changes ending (or maybe achievements spoiled it for me, not really relevant) and deliberately abstained from using it to see it. Didn't really think this would change some dialogues, only learned it now, man, what a breakthrough that game was back in the day.
There's more to it, though. As I got stuck on Hallucination of Sticky, no other moves worked, so, after 5+ tries (and sloooow moving through cutscenes before the fight) I decided to Joy Brad, to see if it would affect things that much.
I got Buzzo dialogue about taking Joy without Brad telling him that he quit AND I got the dialogue after the epilogue (and the achievement, to boot) of the Joyless ending somehow. Maybe a missed moment, or maybe using Joy in a hallucination doesn't count, except for the fact that Brad realises that, were things to be more desperate, he would fall for it easily, and doesn't try to deny Buzzo because of it. Such a gem of a detail, really.
I love these kind of comments, it's always nice to see the experience that every player had with the game
@@thevarikguy5224 true, comments under such videos are a great part of these potentially niche moments
Also, in retrospect, I should've tried getting Brad drunk instead of Joyed, it gives tons of crits too
@@IvanezRus theres some glitches regarding joyless stuff. for example I know taking two joy exactly allows you to get Ajeet. no more no less.
@@IvanezRus You are right, it works pretty well in some ocassions
@@ceej5690 Exactly, but it's backwards, taking two doesn't allow you to get Ajeet, I imagine it's an error of rpg maker or something like that
I remind you that someone probably in their first game played the joyless ending and played the whole game again just to get the joy ending, just a joyless fail
My honest reaction to the joy ending:
"Everyone's really let go... It's _painful_ to watch..." - Roll credits! [Cinema Sins ding]
Memes aside, I like this kind of "all roads lead to one end" storyline. In the end, it doesn't really matter if Brad took the joy or not. He'll lose some potential allies, he'll have slightly different conversations, sure, but he'll become a mutant anyway. By not taking joy, however, no matter how hard it gets, no matter how alluring it may be, he's fighting it. Him resisting the addiction, doing his best to be better than what people say about him, is worth more than just taking the easy way out. He may have been doomed, but he at least tried.
Reminds me of RDR2
Telltale Games be like
@@PitLord777 I've only seen it being used as a bad example, could you elaborate? I don't think I ever played any of their games of even watched a full playthrough.
@@imthecoolestguyalive
In a typical Telltale game, none of your choices really affect the ultimate ending that much. "All roads lead to one end" as you said. There's lots of "He'll lose some potential allies, he'll have slightly different conversations" too.
The choices you make mostly only affect how the central NPCs perceive your character, or even how the player character perceives themselves. But the end is usually pre-determined, although it's always built-up and doesn't come from nowhere (even if you hope otherwise). But as you said again, who your character chooses to be in their linear journey is what makes the games great.
Unfortunately, Telltale Games markets and introduces their games that choices DO affect the story. I mean, they do, but not in any significant way. And some of their games coincided with the game 'Until Dawn', where the choices you make DO matter in how the game ends.
So there, the brief summary of Telltale Games. I like their games, especially the stories they tell, but I understand the hate that people give them for lying about the choices stuff.
@@PitLord777 I don't think it's lying. I feel like we just associate "choices" with "many an ending" too much. The story does change, even if the final cutscene is the same. Thank you for the summary either way.
It's a really dark game once you see what just a little blue pill does to your game.
Lisa is such an underrated gem, its as timeless as any other popular RPGmaker game, the story is both dark and engaging, the characters are packed with charm, and to top it all off, the gameplay is painful (unless you use joy, joy always felt like the hidden easy mode), just like the title says!
That's why the game is so special for me, i'm really happy that is having the attention that deserve it
This game for me is always a masterpiece, both its main game and sequel easily outmatch The Last of Us 1 and 2 for its story and narrative. Buddy is exactly how Ellie should had been in the second game.
I remember playing this like 6 years ago, thinking "what is the point of not taking joy if like nothing changes??? It's probably just for those masochist hardcore players."
I now realize this portrays drug addiction so damn well - so much effort, for practically no reward.
Every day feels debilitating, especially knowing there's an easy way out, but you keep on pushing.
Why? - Who knows? Maybe it's to be better, to fit into what is considered good, maybe it's for those you care about, perhaps the combination of all above - one thing remains certain, it's practically impossible staying sober every single day, yet you have to keep on pushing, and you're never 100% sure it's even worth it, but there are some things in life that don't have to be absolutely rational and justified to, you know, be worth it.
Sometimes it's just thinking about someone you care so much for, someone who cares so much about you, which makes every single day of your life, knowing you'll never ever be able to feel as good as you could, be worth it.
Considering that drug addiction kills you, and painfully, I think it’s 100% worth it to quit.
@@LadyGendercide when I was writing that comment, I was 3 months sober. I am almost a year sober now, and yeah, totally, I have a loving girlfriend, I'm performing well in university, and I might be getting a job in the Embassy of my country soon.
I really had my doubts all throughout this journey, and you can clearly see the fear and uncertainty in my text, but hell yeah stay sober guys
seeing someone with an anime pfp say something so profound is not something you see every day.
@@weeb_dweeb this profile picture was actually made by a viewer of mine like years ago. I really like it when people mention it, cause it reminds me of those times
@@daneemadee damn that's cool.
A funny thing to note about Ajeet's interaction. He doesn't respond that way if you only take 1 joy, or for that matter, if you take 3 or more. Ajeet's coding is fucked in such a way that he only recognizes you've taken joy if you've taken exactly two pills over the course of your playthrough. He will otherwise act as if you've never taken it, and will join your party as a result.
So they used == when he needed to
Not anymore I don't think. I beat the game on hardcore with the definitive edition and I used joy and he never joined me
Someone still posting Lisa the painful content in 2022? Thank you good sir, for spreading the “joy” of Lisa the painful. Reading all the comments makes me glad with how players experienced the game and how we can all agree about how much Brad truly tried in the joyless route.
Haha thanks man, I think the same, it's so nice to see the experience of all players with the story of Brad
It's fascinating to me that I am a fan of this series mostly for seeing some characters and just hearing the music, I really slowly each time want to do more and more, and help the community in any way I can
I always loved Lisa for the little details like these, I remember back then I would dig the game up to see if there was an way to denied the joy from buzzo lol
I didnt used joy at all in my game and man...it is so sad. Brad truly tries to leave joy behind but nobody believes him and it is too late.
what's interesting to me about joy is that in gameplay, it perfectly encapsulates what drugs are like. in my experience, joyless runs are a lot easier, since you don't have to deal with withdrawal, and you're able to sell your joy for a good amount of mags. joy runs, however, are a lot tougher; sure, the pills make boss fights a lot easier, but the overall effects are not worth it. just like in real life, taking joy is just a quick high that ends up going against you.
I feel like not taking joy until after you get forced fed them fits Brad’s arc better.
Wow didn't realize there was dialog differences since I played and beat the game two times a few years apart. I was under the impression only the ending changed. Awesome vid my dude lisa in 2022 and beyond
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Me too, I discover it when I was doing my first joy playtrough, and thank you very much for the last words :)
I discover it a few years back when LISA was even bigger... sorry for not "spreading the word" more...
@@ryanhernandez8324 No worries, that's why I am here
@@thevarikguy5224 You are great. Thank you, Varik Guy. Subscribed! 🙂
@@ryanhernandez8324 Thanks man!
Its amazing how a pixelated game tells a story more emotional than 4k games
Absolutely true
Well, nothing beats a good book and those are essentially 0k ;)
That's because indie games don't have access to professional artists and million-dollar marketing budgets so people who make these smaller games need to make sure that the story they're telling makes up for more limited resources. That's why I'll always enjoy smaller games more than big-budget games, smaller ones have more 'heart' put into them :)
@@taintedmyth0s636 Truth!
I played this game like 3 years ago when I was depressed and it magnificently captures the feeling of it so well. Probably one of the best RPG’s I ever played.
This was great to see, I never used joy when played so I wasnt aware of how much it influences things it just didn't feel right since he went through the trouble in the beginning, I felt it'd be heart breaking to do so and in a way I was right, the blow was definitely softened by abstaining the addiction.
Even though this game may be very difficult depending on if you use and don’t use joy. Just seeing the difference it makes on Brad makes me all the more sad for him….. but he did. He did try his best.
He definitely did
Funny thing is i never used joy in my very first play through and finished the game without any difficulty(also got the secret ending unintentionally).
I didn't even know what it does,all the while along the playthrough brad dealt 0 damage during sometimes and i would get random blinking red screens but i never questioned WHY i got that nor did i think consuming joy would fix that.
I thought that the game is just programmed this way and supposed to give a hard challenge to the player(the perma death of party members convinced me that the 0 damage thing was probably also the same case...) Haha
To me even if things stay the same. The little dialogue changes makes Brad sound different to me. Like if he is on joy he sounds like lunatic who is ashamed. However if he is sober he is thinking more clearly, but also upset yet not sounding like a madman
Duuude im glad to see lisa content in 2022! Keep up the lovely work!
Thanks dude, I'm always glad to see this comments
This was my first playthrough, PAINFUL Mode, Joyless, Terry Hintz all the way and I picked up Ajeet because he's the only Gigachad who recognized my efforts. Norm was to iconic to pass up. I refused to kill those soldiers on the mountain where the firebombs were, because I didn't have to. None of my men were kidnapped. Not on my watch. I spared my old friends even when they betrayed me. I had one arm by the end; selling all my gear beforehand and buying "midlife crisis" hats and then reselling them later. I had one last motorcycle ride by the beach. I cried when I had to kill my own men in the final battles. And I decided Brad deserved a hug.
I love how the gurl know about the blue pills and does not have brains to process the outcome of her new life.
Brad was trying so hard to give her a normal life but..........well
The consequences of the new Olathe
I loved having Ajeet on my team. Had no idea you needed to be Joyless to get him but his debuffs were incredible along with some pretty potent attacks. I guess staying clean has its perks
I know nothing about this game, but it’s cool that they change the dialogue depending on your choices
The moral of lisa the painful is no matter what you try, it's not worth it sometimes.
you know it really does suck being a drug addict, this is very realistic, the mental struggle and pain it takes to push through your addiction, and then for people to not even believe you regardless of how hard you tried, kinda makes you WANT to take drugs after that, needless to say i know some of you who are addicts trying to detox are reading this message and many of you have felt what i have felt, it hurts so much to work on improving yourself just for people to see the same trashed up you, but don't threat, they might not believe you but we fellow addicts do, don't fall back, it only gets easier overtime.
Que juegazo, una experiencia que te corrompe de una forma como ningún otro en su clase. En el juego creemos que somos el héroe al principio, alguien que puede cambiar el mundo como en cualquier otro rpg, para darnos cuenta poco a poco de que, para el final, hemos matado a tantas personas como seguramente hizo Rando
Brad no merecía mejor; tampoco Buddy. Merecían otro mundo y otros tiempos
De verdad que Lisa es un juego especial en estos aspectos por lo que mencionas, muestra como todo un mundo puede ser corrompido a través de la desaparición de mujeres y como a su vez puede provocar todo el caos que ocurrió en Olathe cuando se supo de la aparición de Buddy
@@thevarikguy5224 el mismo creador dijo que todo era un círculo vicioso de abuso y que el peor personaje moralmente es Lisa
@@Zekyb0y No me da buena espina decir que Lisa sea el peor personaje, ya existe Marty quien comienza el ciclo por abusar de Brad y Lisa con alto indicio de que violo a Lisa y aún asi se le critica a la niña pequeña que cuyo mundo estuvo enteramente lleno de dolor
@@katzea.a7880 no era tan pequeña (¿debió tener 12 tal vez?) al obligar que Buzzo matara a un gato y despues la cortara a ella.
Pero son las palabras del autor, debe ser justificado por que nada hubiera sucedido si Lisa hubiera actuado de una forma mas correcta, no es mi opinión, concuerdo que Marty fuera el peor teniendo a Buzzo en segundo lugar en mi opinión.
@@Zekyb0y Nada hubiera sucedido si Marty no hubiese abusado de Lisa y Brad en primer lugar, por esto es que Brad se la pasa toda la vida sintiéndose culpable de lo que paso en su casa, toma joy, intentar salvar a Buddy y terminando peor que cuando comenzo.
Se de niños que hacen cosas malas como esas después de todo vivo en un lugar un tanto peligroso pero no puedo implicar que sea su responsabilidad porque son comportamientos que adquirieron de alguien cercano a ellos, donde vivo es muy común que los pandilleros inicien a sus hijos en la pandilla con tareas violentas
This reflects society perfectly... no matter how much you improve... a million good deeds won't give others reason to forgive you for one mistake.
Love this game, I didn't even know the differences between you taking joy or not
This was the first ever video I saw before watching Lisa: The Painful, I still read the title as “Lisa, the painful differences between taking Joy”
This game broke my heart and made me laugh multiple times. Truly a masterpiece in its own fkd up way.
throwback to that time i didn’t want any joy in my first play through but accidentally activated pain mode, also my first play through.
i wanted to get that badge, and didn’t know that pain mode automatically makes it so you can’t get either.
Now i only have bragging rights where i beat lisa first time on a joyless pain mode 😂😢
Well, that's really an achievement if you ask me haha
I don’t understand this game or the ending. I can see the joy thing is a drug and obviously by the context it’s a military weapon that causes the user to transform even if they have just one dose or something. But what’s the ending.
Well, the joy ending isn't a big special thing, it's just Brad mutated after his joy addiction, the joyless ending it's the same as the other but with a final scene that happens before the women extinct in the world, I recommend to you to see a video of the topic if you wanna know more about the history
Yado was developing Joy for one of two reasons. It could either have been as a weapon, which failed to be accepted by the military. Enraged by his failure, he used Joy to control the populace of Olathe after the Flash. How much Yado had to do with the Flash itself is not ever explicitly divulged, I think.
The other possibility is that Yado was planning his own personal apocalypse from the start, and developed Joy under the guise of it being a weapon, until he was able to manufacture enough to go all out.
Wait, is there any real change with the ending? Except that you see some of the background, the only big difference during the game is that one guy is willing to join you where usually he would not have if you took joy
Yep, the differences are technically that, different dialogues and Ajeet doesn't join your party
if you want to get REALLY specific info about the changes with the ending:
- There are (3) ending dialogues you can get, they're over a black screen after brad turns to a boneless boy-wonder
- The ONLY thing that influences these dialogues (which all have their respective achievement tied to it) is whether you used joy or not, and if you beat the game on 'Pain Mode'
- IF you beat the game on 'Pain Mode': You will ALWAYS get the pain mode ending dialogue
- OTHERWISE, the dialogue is based on whether or not you did joy EVEN ONCE (not counting cutscenes)
the dialogues are somewhat important to understanding the characters and story more (moreso in joyful), but joy REALLY doesn't affect a whole lot during the game which kinda blows
@@brashtakks7473 anything worthwhile joyless in pain mode?
@@elgatochurro Nothing changes during the game (besides normal joyless run changes).
Pain mode opens a locked door in the creep-filled neighborhood area (door with a camera) on the far end, changes ending (along with fair amt. of substantial changes to enemies and bosses, plus limited saves).
All the usual stuff, but joyless AND pain? Nah, no real differences with the two together.
On my first playthrough, I got the true ending by accident because I didn't know what the blue icon above Brad's head was. I just assumed he was going through withdrawal and never thought to give him joy.
Lisa in 2022 is a joy.
We can only hope for a 3D remake of such a game.
A curious idea 👀
It wouldn’t have the same charm. Better to leave it as is, before someone with more ambition than brains ruins it.
I don't know if there will ever be a game that affects me as profoundly as this one did
Man, this is really blowing for only a few days, i'm so glad to see the lisa community still alive and kicking
Me too 👌
The subreddit is still quite active
Lisa content in 2022? Neat
I played this game on the hardest difficulty and on pain mode and found out you could break the game by fighting in the wrestling match over and over again
i like that like real life, it makes zero difference, but others will treat you poorly for it.
Lore of Lisa: The Painful Differences between taking and not taking joy momentum 100
buddys silence when brad said he quit honestly felt like a real bit of hesitation, as if she felt conflicted.
Can anyone tell me the full context of this game? I just randomly got recommend to this
Ok so
Post apocalyptic world that happened because uh... All woman in the world disappeared? With that humanity cant reproduce and the world kinda goes insane
Then one day, the bald tough guy protagonist Brad finds a baby somewhere and then he finds out that its a woman so he raises her but uh
I dont wanna spoil too much because this game is amazing so i would recommend you playing instead or you can say fuck it and idk watch a video of it
@@monikaisdonewiththeinterne2039 ok thank you, I'll look forward in later
Just know that this game is depressing
@@gravynavy516 yeah its pretty depressing and have a very dark humor
A critique of toxic masculinity, apocalypse media, and how desire turns us into monsters wrapped into one.
Mandeep the GOAT RIP
Lisa definitive edition let's go !
I like doing No Joy runs by default. Gives the game more of a challenge. Also, I like choosing the morally good route in stuff I play.
I could’ve sworn that before attacking Buddy, mutant Brad says “Lisa… Help”
He's my dad...
Pain....
nunca crei q un juego me impactara tanto desde q jugue spec ops: the line
I did painful Joyless, the game truly lived up to its namesake when I did that route.
Shame, because I think back then the route was overwritten by painful mode so it was just... an unnecessary trial of hardship.
Still one of my favorite indie games though.
We happy few saw this and said hold my beer
I thought bread would just be lying in the joy taking route
Bread 💀💀💀
I don't know is if it's a Mandela effect, but I remember joyless runs having Brad just dying off filled with arrows, like how Buddy remembers him as he is shown as apparitions over the course of the Joyful, not even able to fight Rando.
Doesn't make sense since Buzzo tried really hard to hold him off as a joy mutant and Rando being beaten to hell is a core part of Joyful, but I just replayed the game expecting it to happen and it never did.
if: "I stopped taking Joy" jump scene_nojoy
scene_nojoy: "Thats cool, anyway" jump scene_joy
else:
scene_joy: "fuck you Brad"
I did joyless just because I didn't even know it gives good things
Lisa 2022 community?! Les gooo
Man, in less than a week you got 500 more subs and over 120k views on this video. Really amazing dude. Hope to see you strive more in this community and other things you choose to do
Thanks for the kind words pal, it was a great surprise for me the amount of views on this video and the subscribers of the channel on these days, it shows how the Lisa community is still active like a few years ago. I wish you the best as well!
the hit effect at 0:21 scared the crap out of me.
Sorry xD, I suppose you had the volume up
@@thevarikguy5224 Not really. The game was just so chill until then, it really caught me off guard. (I've never seen this game before.)
This was a weird episode of we happy few
Yo wtf 100k views out the gate? The LISA community is so fucking back bros all we need is for MU to drop.
The power of Lisa
@@thevarikguy5224Literally unstoppable…
I don't even know what this game is but came regardless lol
didn’t they make an apocalyptic london action-adventure video game developed by Compulsion Games and published by Gearbox Publishing. In 2016, an early access version was released for Windows, with the full game seeing wide release for PlayStation 4, Windows, and Xbox One in August 2018 about why you don’t do this
I used joy a few times at the beginning of the game but still got the joyless dialogue…?
Wish discriptions of clips like these would mention the name of the game
Edit: Wait, is it called Lisa? It just didn't seem like a game title my bad
Yeah XD, the game name is "Lisa: The Painful", I put it in every title
There is a game named Lisa: the first which is a prequel to Lisa: the painful and Lisa: the joyful.
I actually hate everyone in this game including buddy
Jeebus madnes combad is fuckin addicted
Bruh I just keep selling my joy
This LISA the painful is Violent. 😮
It's normal, it's called Lisa:the painful
Ajeet Mandeep best representation of a Punjabi in video games ever.
I have no idea what this game is but neat !
What was the difference in the ending?
The extra dialogue
I like black people (Unpopular opinion)
wtf...
I like white people (popular opinion)
average Lisatard moment
I like people (opinion)
i like ()
So how’s he get joy mutated?
this is legit!!!
Kind of confused about this video can u explain wat it is about? or whats going on?
I think you need to know a little context of the game to understand it, but in a few words: This video shows the dialogue differences that the rpg "Lisa: The Painful" shows if you use the item "Joy" in your game, a drug that our protagonist Brad is addicted to it
@@thevarikguy5224 oh thanks! the game seems cool !
Joy from midnight horrors you mean?
ajeet is such a good character, thank god I didn't use joy
Okay I've never seen this game, does it mean Joy as in the We Happy Few kind of Joy or an original thing?
Joy is a drug that makes you feel nothing and you crave but it makes your stronger for a bit but it makes you weaker if you don’t take it for a bit
What's the difference in the ending?
The extra dialogue
there wasnt much point to not taking joy then huh
To my mw he says the same thing and I never use joy as I do
I played the painful mode and I didn’t see the joyless ending and???? Buzzo is a sick freak for force feeding us joy when he knows it’ll make us into a freakshow. Tf is wrong with him...
The pain mode has only one ending, it doesn't matter if you take joy or not
What is this game I just got recommended this
Lisa: The Painful
What even is this game?
I've seen so much about it in my suggestions since I checked out the soundtrack
And the more I learn the less I understand
Crackhead tries raising the last woman in the world and it ends badly
What game?
LISA: The Painful. It’s a good game and part of the LISA trilogy. LISA: The First, LISA: The Painful, and LISA: The Joyful.
Didn't know Bethesda also made LISA, the illusion of choice; and all that lol
para os br que estiver vendo
a tradução das falas do final sem alegria
embora a alegria não seja útil para nossos investidores
eles dizem que não pode ser usado como arma
uma vez que entra em vigor, o usuário começa a perder o controle
eles não podem mais fazer escolhas por si mesmos, apenas os desejos mais íntimos do usuário aparecem
a única vantagem é que não é preciso muita alegria para iniciar a transformação
mas ainda assim
eles dizem que não tem benefícios militares
eu acho que isso significa
suficiente
eu sei disso desde o começo, seu idiota
o que
eles cumpriram o seu propósito, recebemos o dinheiro deles e agora eles se foram
e agora é hora de eu construir meu mundo
yado, você está agindo como um louco
essa coisa toda desmoronou
você perdeu todo o tempo para deixar isso passar
cale-se
se você se sente assim, então por que não vá embora
'''
exatamente
nós dois temos nossas razões para ficar
além disso eu tenho um plano
e o que é isso?
Nancy
eu vou usá-la
Jesus Cristo, yado
essa é sua filha
e além disso você não pode esperar que isso funcione, não será tão simples
você é maluco
Bernardo Bernardo Bernardo
uma vez que você prova um poder como esse
você me entende
yado pela última vez
meu nome não é Bernard, é buzzo
Is that kratos
0:23 funi
Jesus loves you
Tried playing through the tutorial but stopped, can someone fill me in?
Still think drugs are cool?