These two legends are out there killing it on tour on their own gigs... Imaging seeing these two headlining together! Thatd be such a great show, Id love to see.
@@innagotavita6117 Thats too bad.... My guess she knows if she jumps on Robs gig, theres probably a lot of extra shows she will have to do. She may not be ok with that.
Met Robert in " The Gay Traitor" bar in the Hacienda - he put me and my mate on the guest list to see the Banshees at the Apollo the following night. He was stand in guitarist. I had the audacity to say the Cure were second best band I the world next to Joy Division. Suppose alcohol can make you cheeky 😂 top bloke - would love to meet him again someday to thank him personally.
@rocdocs Not as I remember- it was a long time ago. I remember saying to him I bet you hate people like me bothering you - he said its quite the opposite as people won't normally approach me ! After seeing a few of his interviews over the years he does come across as a special guy.As I said would love to meet him again one day to say a personel thank you.
Lol Siousxsie is a tough lady. I'm glad Robert returned to The Cure though and gave us so many amazing albums. Thanks for the great video, very informative!
I once saw her perform with her leg in a plaster cast at a Banshees gig in Cardiff, apparently after falling off the stage at an earlier concert on the tour. I heard some people who were standing at the back complaining afterwards that they couldn't see her and asking why she wasn't galloping round the stage as usual. Clearly it didn't affect the intensity of her vocals at all.
@@jungatheart6359 reminds me of Crystal Castles. Alice Glass is a force of nature. And of course there was always Tina, but it wasn't her fault she had that broken arm . . .
I saw Robert Smith play with Siouxsie in NYC, beacon theater show, I was shocked when the audience didn’t really give Robert his due respect as a member of the Cure, and played on stage with the Banshees. I was just amazed to see the cure front man joining with Siouxsie Sioux, great show. I wished there was a live recording of the show…, any bootlegs?
There are videos around, but most of the ones I have seen of Robert w the Banshees are either TV appearances or from Nocturne video. You can find em on youtube pretty easily. Thanks for watching and commenting-
My 1st ever gig age 13 in 1978.was Siouxsie and the Banshees before the Scream came out & saw them on the Join hands tour with the Cure as Support & Robert Smith playing in the Banshees in 79
Nice. I first saw the Cure at 13 too. In 1980 in Sydney. Less than 100 people in the room, no stage. Seventeen Seconds tour. Saw Robert play with the Banshees a few years later 82/83.
They say live music is a dying culture.. there's got to be something to come along and blow us all away again, get people super hyper excited, like Elvis or the Beatles... It's just a matter of time and circumstances I believe. I hope it happens soon. Have a great day.
If it does happen it WON'T be through MUSIC because it's basically 'flogging a dead horse'. Some other, NEWER medium will do it. Stop looking in the WRONG places
I was an engineer who worked on both the Cure's Faith and The Banshees Hyaena albums in Roundhouse Recording Studios. Strange there's no mention of Mike Hedges - the producer on both records and more.
This collaboration was one of these rare planets alignments in art: two creative creatures like Robert Smith and Steve Severin, collaborating and partying over years with the very center driven Siouxsie ! No wonder that she never liked anybody saying no to her, like any « independant entitled woman » 😂 while Steve and Robert remained friends, keeping memories of all good moments even if this was exhausting as they said many times in interviews. The legacy is this wonderful gem: Hyena, with a spark of Cure and Siouxsie in every song ! The album is a classic and comes with splendid artwork and one the best pictures of the members.
I agree. THats one of the reasons I wanted to make this video... I love that album, AND Nocturne, and Hyeana... I had to find a way to talk about all of them and Robert The Banshee was the perfect thread connecting everything. Well, that and LSD.
I agree as well! Their music supports me through my Life since the day I found it! Its like a trip through Life. Jeanette Landray did a great job singing on this. I wished they did more together...
I remember hearing the news that John McKay and Kenny Morris had left the Banshees and thinking the gig we were going to attend at the Brighton Top Rank was going to be cancelled. Luckily it wasn't and I remember thinking how amazing Robert Smith was to not only be heading up The Cure on their first big act support tour but also to play the whole set for the Banshees. Quite incredible. A truly memorable gig - Athletico Spizz 80 Lead Singer Spizz simply wanted to be spat at and vigorously urged the crowd to spit at him whilst he sat on the edge of the stage ironically shouting "Happy Birthday 1976 !!!!" , he was wearing an all red outfit and was simply dripping in spit and gob after a few minutes which he seemed to be enjoying far too much !! The gig went from one extreme to the other, the crazy zany almost psychotic Spizz to the The bright energetic spiky Cure with the incredible "stringsmith" at the helm, I just couldn't take my eyes of young Bob I just had that feeling I was amongst greatness that night. So when it came to the finale for the broken Romford Punkster fashionistas to swing into action you could tell Siousxie was in a playful mood the tension was in the air and then she stopped singing half way through a song to address a rather lively pogoing spitting punk audience stating and I quote "STOP SPITTING at me !!!!! If anyone else spits at me we will not play any more songs" Needless to say the punk hoardes submiitted to the Queens request and we all had a jolly good time.
What an amazing story. Thank you so much for sharing this. This may be the best comment on this channel so far. Well actually when Lux’s brother commented to talk about recording The Cramps that was pretty good too, but this is a great comment. Thank you so much, man. Awesome story.
Blue Sunshine is one of my all time favourite albums. 30 years and its still in heavy rotation. I found it in a record store, had no idea who it was. You have to remember this was pre-internet. Fell in love with it immediately and then found out why at the 4th song when Smith sang and I realised who the band was. To me this is the greatest mash up of bands.
I was in O'Reilly's Auto Parts today and hear Fastball's Away and then some Cure song that wasn't familiar with me. I'm 57yo now but remember all the great music I grew up through my time...C/0 '85!
This could go on and on. That tennis ball sure knows a lot. I really liked The Glove. I found it when I first went into the navy. So, new territory and the glove definitely have a place in my heart.
Love Siouxie Sioux! Great, unique voice. Great stage presence. I kived in LA for some year & was invited to their show by a lical promoter, wires got crossed missed it. Would have been back stage, after gatherings. To this day when I listen to them I think of that missed opportunity! 😭
This was good, thank you. Hyaena was my first Siouxsie and The Banshees recoed and The Glove was one of my favorites, too. When The Creatures toured in San Francisco in the 90's I saw them after work and got so horribly drunk that night that I made a loud noise about meeting Siouxsie. She and Budgie came out after the show and had drinks with everyone still left over after hours. I got to meet her and talk with her for a few minutes... she was so nice to deal with me and laugh along with my giddy, joyful awe for her.
I love everything Siouxsie Sioux and have been this way since 1988. I really appreciate all the info you've gathered and shared. Seeing her perform recently was a dream come true and an occurrence I never thought I would have the pleasure of attending, and I must admit, I cried. Like a little girl I bawled my eyes out briefly. During Dear Prudence, which she sang more beautifully than I could have ever imagined, I got caught up in the moment of realizing Im finally seeing her perform and it was one of the best moments of my life. Whew! That got heavy!!!!
It was a long time ago... I was only sixteen and still at school.The Cure were the best band I'd ever heard live at the time. All I remember about the !ords prayer was it was very long and loud!!
Cool. Thanks for replying. When I look back on those sorts of times I kick myself for not having taken photos or video! But, we didnt have access to the tools as readily.
Went to the gig at Hammersmith Odeon (ticket shown on video). Realized Robert Smith was on guitar and was amazed. Very memorable gig. Was a fan of both the Banshees and the Cure.
That’s incredible. I had a video of that show on VHS when I was a teenager. I watched it over and over and over again. I fantasized about being at that show. I’m so jealous and thank you for sharing!
Think between me and my wife we have or had every record shown but only got to see the Banshees once when Siouxsie had her leg in plaster, the whole show she sat on a bar stool but it was still a great gig. Had quite a few posters back in the day from the concerts and album promotions. Never got to see The Cure but saw Rob with the Banshees which sort of made up for it, I think. The Glove was class better than The Creatures (sorry Budgie and Siouxsie) and even found the 2 x 12" singles in my local Woolworths. Anyway, just reminiscing back in the old days when music really was music, never to be repeated. Thanks for the video Dennis it really was a pleasure, everything was just as it should have been.
Stephen thanks for your memories! I agree- The Glove is better than The Creatures. Anyone who saw Robert play with the banshees is a lucky 🍀 man in my book!! So cool. Did he sing at all? Or just guitar?
@@rocdocs No Rob was just on guitar mate. I also had a neighbour 3 houses down by the name of Norman Fisher Jones who played with the Cure, as well as a few other bands, on tour in Germany. Can't say I really knew him though but his parents often came to my father in laws parties who house I now own since he passed on. Small world isn't it!
@@smac3794 I doubted you I must admit, but I guess it's a false memory. I saw them in 1985 in Liverpool at the Royal Court but I see it was the year before when they made the Nocturne album from the live tour. Thanks for the reply happy to stand corrected. 👍
Thanks for "bringing it together".... The intensity of artistic expression and output in the early 1980's still astounds me. Always loved The Glove, The Creatures, the "Hyaena" LP, and the Cure's creativity of that time. But it's the steadfast endurance of music that inspires, emotes a deeper spirit, and aspires for the classic... Not too many singers/artist/musicians can reach so high and root so deep. Beautifully explained and expressed 👍🌈
Love this vid, I respect both the Banshees and The Cure as legendary groups and you put in a lot of research into this timeline coming from a total nerd on cure lore. Nice work!
I had a good time listening to the stories. Satb and the cure are two bands I truly like. I still have albums from both bands to this day I love to listen to. Never gets old. I'm just the one aging off. Mabuhay!
Was it the case that Robert was inspired by Siouxsie first? I bet it was, with B sides like Eve White/Eve Black I can just see a Faith era Robert being blown away listening to that and thinking "Right I'm gonna make an album like that!"
Siouxsie went through a lot of guitarists, John McGeoch, John Valentine Corruthers & Robert smith to name just three….. When Smith “guested” for tours and studio time, she playfully nick named him “the pop star” as he had had several chart hits already with The Cure
It appears to me that this demonstrates ruling with an iron fist isn't always advisable. Siouxsie, for instance, was particularly tough on her guitarists, very demanding. They managed to rebound, but McGeough should have been given time to recover. I believe the only thing keeping Robert in the band was Severin.
@@kalevala29 Yes that’s correct, Steven Severin and Robert Smith were very close friends during that period. Even though Smith was never a permanent member of the Banshees as it was more of him “doing them a favour and filling in between guitarists, because Severin was his mate” Smith never stopped his work with The Cure - he just took a hiatus while he helped out with the Banshees - and he & Severin also collaborated on several other projects outside of the Banshees, including their album under the band name “The Glove” McGeoch eventually reemerged as the guitarist in John Lydon’s P.I.L. where he did some of his best work, before giving it all away and training as a nurse !
I was at that concert in The Capitol Aberdeen A bouncer a friend of mine said there was going to be a riot as 2 members had walked out of a record signing The Cure were excellent and saved the night Absolutely brilliant concert I’ve been a fan of these 2 groups since 1978 I bought the Scream on its release and also 17 seconds by The Cure Loved The Forest
Love your work, Dennis! As much as I like Robert Smith I still think you can’t beat John McGeoch’s guitar work on Spellbound which is my favourite Banshees track.
Thank you for this detailed history between these two bands and Robert Smith, He's always intertwined with the banshees in and out and never really understood the timeline this is really awesome video or reporting
Loved everything in your video! The narration and the graphics! Top notch! Even learned a few new tidbits about this special time. Thank you! Happy to be a Siouxsie and Banshees / Cure fan :)
Nocturne is simply one of the best moments of the Banshees and of Smith's guitar playing. He takes what McGeoch did to a more terrifying level that Severin was able to match with lots of cool pedals. Severin was using two of the same powerful flange in a row at the time. I saw Nocturne in a record shop before I knew what it was and grabbed The Scream instead bc I like to start at a bands beginning. I regret that now a bit but ofc The Scream has seen a ton of time on my record player.
I saw them at the Hammersmith Odeon, with the cure supporting,i remember that the cure said,"This is out monday ,Jump on somebody else's train ,i think 👍🇬🇧
@@rocdocs it was amazing,I can still picture it ,big theatre I was in the balcony middle left of stage and everyone was dancing even in the balcony (circle) I remember love in void being particularly lively the place was electric 🇬🇧I'm really so lucky,I lived a 5 min walk from the venue,I've seen so many bands there including blondie,police, Motorhead,The Damned ect 👍🇬🇧🍀🇮🇪
robert smith also famously played guitar with the stranglers (as did robert fripp) when hugh cornwell was in jail for a few months on drug possession charges. both smith and fripp were/are big stranglers fans and they kicked ass with them.
OMFG . I was lying in bed last night and for no reason at all , started to wonder if Siouxsie and Robert ever made up ! And lo , look what popped up in my recommendations .
Great vid! I recently began to dig deeper into the Banshees discography and saw somewhere he had played for them, and this video was exactly was I was hoping to find! I will take a listen to the glove, thanks!
Congrats on the new channel name, Dennis! So, Robert was only on one of the Banshees studio albums? Fun fact: the drummer from the Glove (Andy Anderson) was a member of the Cure for the Japanese Whispers era, and maybe the Top.
John Peel put out a message to say the Banshees were looking for a new guitarist and drummer. I wrote and applied for the guitarist job, aged 14. Obviously, I didn't get the job, but I did get a nice letter from Nils Stevenson. Happy days.
He was also a fill-in Banshee during the late summer of 1979, when the Banshees had lost John McKay (guitar) and Kenny Morris (drums) only hours before a gig in Aberdeen, Scotland. He had offered to fill in for McKay until the other Banshees eventually found John McGeoch as a full-time guitarist. Budgie, last of the band the Slits, was also intended to be a fill-in drummer but Siouxsie liked his drumming style so much he stayed with them until their 1996 breakup, and was even married to her from 1991 to 2007.
Thank you. Yes, both topics we cover in the video. You should check it out lol! Thanks for stopping by and comment
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I love Robert Smith...but I always though John McGeogh was my favorite Banshees' guitarist! Finally, I got to see John when he played with PIL in Fresno 87ish when the band opened for INXS. Good times!
One time they all spent the night partying. The next day Siouxsie cancelled a show bc they were too hungover. This pissed off Robert who said, "You owe it to your fans." "We dont owe our fans anything. We had fun last night. You had fun. We do this for fun. When it stops being fun, we stop doing it" was her response. I don't think he quite got Siouxsie.
Are you sure about this? It doesn't seem characteristic of Siouxsie to miss a gig. Honestly, I'm not sure how she managed with Robert and John. It's said that Robert visited a doctor during this period, who advised him to stop whatever he was doing.
Definite influence on the tribal psychedelic manic THE TOP album. My favourite Cure album and the most aligned with Robert Smith's personal sensibilities as opposed to commercial outreach or 'Cure sound' consistency. The Top didn't give a fuck.
@@itssoezy Those synthpop singles after the trajectory of the dark brooding years before must have been so odd and dispiriting to Cure fans at that time lol - and yes of course Robert/Lol did irresistible quirky synthpop quite unlike anyone else.
I love The Top. It's also interesting that it's Robert, not Simon, playing bass on the album too. Robert's a great bassist, something overlooked by most people.
For me, Smith was awesome in the banshees, The nocturn at the royal albert hall is one of the best gigs I've seen ( apart from The gathering... Killing joke)
I remember seeing an interview, probably on MuchMusic in the late 80s, where Siouxsie complained about people supposedly giving Robert Smith too much credit for the music on Hyaena.
I saw Siouxsie and the Banshees with Robert Smith playing guitar open for the Cure in Oakland CA at the Henry J Kaiser Convention Center, about 1986? It might have been just a thing for that show but RS was playing live with them after 1984 at least that night.
Yeah I admit I may be blurring memories at this point, but still have tix stub for Siouxsie June 1, 86 at the Henry J Kaiser. Cure at the Greek July 26, 86. Saw both before that. Also the head on the Door tour book from 87? Saw The Cure and Siouxsie and the Banshees and Love and Rockets all at least 3 times all between 84- 87. My memory is that Robert Smith played with them, so maybe it was in 84? have to admit I was 12-15 years old 84-87 and I could be blurring some memories now. I'll try to confirm it with some people I went with. definitely saw L&R open for them one of the times I saw them. Saw L&R at Wolfgangs and at the Berkeley Community Theater also around then. Could be blurring that in there. The SF Bay Area was a goldmine for inexpensive live shows /all ages shows and easy BART access.
@@ihavezeroideawhattoputhere3653 could/may be blurring memories of shows I saw around the same time but I remember RS sitting in and it was a buzz. maybe it was him sitting in with the opener at the Oakland arena show in 87 or the greek theater show in 86? will ask some of the people I went with
@@uncleswan3896 L&R opened for them during the tinderbox tour, and i think L&R opened for the cure in 89? maybe that’s where the confusion is coming from
Great video. Love Robert Smith and The Cure, great guitarist, but his main talent is songwriting. Give me John McGeoch with the Banshees any time of day. McKay deserves his praise for playing with the Banshees too, before Robert. Robert is already praised enough, deservedly so, for his work with The Cure. Let others have their moment. They deserve it.
A lot of the goings-on weren't well known back then except locally, and in England it seems whoever you name has played with several other famous people or bands somewhere along the way. Love Robert Smith anywhere, but McGeoch was the "most Banbshee" of all that bands guitarists. Now imagine if he'd stayed, all the friendships, influences, likes and dislikes which greatly influenced the future for all involved might not ever have happened....
Possibly already mentioned but The Banshees' mad version of The Lord's Prayer didn't become a feature of their live set after it was recorded for Join Hands. It was the other way around. In fact it was the first thing they ever played at that notorious 100 Club gig with Sid on drums and Marco Pirroni on guitar. Because they hadn't actually written anything at that point and weren't even sure if they would be playing again. The versions they played subsequently would be largely improvised and would include comments on the gig and the audience. Not always complementary. The recorded version on Join Hands was pretty lacklustre by comparison.
I had a ticket to see them on the Sunday (9 September 1979) after the Aberdeen f up. It was going to be at the Kinema ballroom in Dunfermline and was cancelled , still pisses me off 45 years later 🤣
I watched Robert Smith playing with the Banshees at Preston Guild Hall, it was October 1985. I don't know if he was filling in for someone or if he was still in the band, it was definitely him though.
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@@Jabular1 it is impossible bc The Cure played The Head Tour in USA, 04 Oct 1985 they were in Portland, and your concert happened on 05 Oct 1985 in England. Both sides never interacted with each other since Robert Smith left like they say
@@beecrispy It was deffo Robert Smith, I'll put my life on it. Maybe I've got the dates wrong. I googled the gigs for the Banshees in Preston around the middle 80's and that date came up. Maybe it was earlier than I first thought, I'm 55 and my memory isn't what it used to be ... lol.
@@Jabular1 I believe you but it was something else probably, not that date or the place. I couldn’t find another date in Preston in any tour list, so the date is correct I guess. And The Cure were in USA/Canada from September, so it’s physically impossible to happen. Maybe was it another show, not in Preston ?
These two legends are out there killing it on tour on their own gigs... Imaging seeing these two headlining together! Thatd be such a great show, Id love to see.
THat would be an amazing show!!
Trying to make that happen …it’s up to souxie I think more than rob
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Thats too bad.... My guess she knows if she jumps on Robs gig, theres probably a lot of extra shows she will have to do. She may not be ok with that.
Met Robert in " The Gay Traitor" bar in the Hacienda - he put me and my mate on the guest list to see the Banshees at the Apollo the following night.
He was stand in guitarist.
I had the audacity to say the Cure were second best band I the world next to Joy Division.
Suppose alcohol can make you cheeky 😂 top bloke - would love to meet him again someday to thank him personally.
Well thats amazing. Did he laugh at the Joy Division comment?
@rocdocs Not as I remember- it was a long time ago.
I remember saying to him I bet you hate people like me bothering you - he said its quite the opposite as people won't normally approach me ! After seeing a few of his interviews over the years he does come across as a special guy.As I said would love to meet him again one day to say a personel thank you.
@@jamesl6670 I saw Robert getting out of his car in Sainsbury’s Crawley early 80’s.
Undying respect and admiration for Robert Smith and The Cure. Love, Always ✨❤️✨
Lol Siousxsie is a tough lady. I'm glad Robert returned to The Cure though and gave us so many amazing albums.
Thanks for the great video, very informative!
Thank you for watching - really appreciate. She is indeed a tough cookie 🍪
@@rocdocs I really wish she did another solo album, coz it's been a heck of a long time since Manta Ray. We NEED Siouxise back!
@@seanp8220 She's 66 years old, can't you just enjoy what she's done without asking for more?
I once saw her perform with her leg in a plaster cast at a Banshees gig in Cardiff, apparently after falling off the stage at an earlier concert on the tour. I heard some people who were standing at the back complaining afterwards that they couldn't see her and asking why she wasn't galloping round the stage as usual. Clearly it didn't affect the intensity of her vocals at all.
@@jungatheart6359 reminds me of Crystal Castles. Alice Glass is a force of nature.
And of course there was always Tina, but it wasn't her fault she had that broken arm . . .
I saw Robert Smith play with Siouxsie in NYC, beacon theater show, I was shocked when the audience didn’t really give Robert his due respect as a member of the Cure, and played on stage with the Banshees. I was just amazed to see the cure front man joining with Siouxsie Sioux, great show. I wished there was a live recording of the show…, any bootlegs?
There are videos around, but most of the ones I have seen of Robert w the Banshees are either TV appearances or from Nocturne video. You can find em on youtube pretty easily. Thanks for watching and commenting-
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There's a video on TH-cam of Robert Smith playing guitar for the song _Love in a void_ on stage with them back in 1979.
@@Gunnery69246 wow love in a void is my favourite banshee song 🍺🍻😜
I’m from Brazil.
I just love The Cure, Siouxsie and the Banshees and The Glove.
Can you believe ?
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My 1st ever gig age 13 in 1978.was Siouxsie and the Banshees before the Scream came out & saw them on the Join hands tour with the Cure as Support & Robert Smith playing in the Banshees in 79
Whoa!!!
Nice. I first saw the Cure at 13 too. In 1980 in Sydney. Less than 100 people in the room, no stage. Seventeen Seconds tour.
Saw Robert play with the Banshees a few years later 82/83.
They say live music is a dying culture.. there's got to be something to come along and blow us all away again, get people super hyper excited, like Elvis or the Beatles... It's just a matter of time and circumstances I believe. I hope it happens soon. Have a great day.
By "they" i mean the voices in my head. No credit here, all debit.
Hahahha ! Thanks! Great comment
If the musicians keep dying it won't anyway.
If it does happen it WON'T be through MUSIC because it's basically 'flogging a dead horse'. Some other, NEWER medium will do it. Stop looking in the WRONG places
I just saw the cure in nyc and I can tell you live music isn't going anywhere every show they've played has been sold out here in thr us
I was an engineer who worked on both the Cure's Faith and The Banshees Hyaena albums in Roundhouse Recording Studios. Strange there's no mention of Mike Hedges - the producer on both records and more.
Thanks for watching.
@@davidkemp3046 did Séverin really pick upwards on his bass?
This collaboration was one of these rare planets alignments in art: two creative creatures like Robert Smith and Steve Severin, collaborating and partying over years with the very center driven Siouxsie ! No wonder that she never liked anybody saying no to her, like any « independant entitled woman » 😂 while Steve and Robert remained friends, keeping memories of all good moments even if this was exhausting as they said many times in interviews.
The legacy is this wonderful gem: Hyena, with a spark of Cure and Siouxsie in every song ! The album is a classic and comes with splendid artwork and one the best pictures of the members.
Fully agree, and well said! Thx for the kind words Metaphy!
@@rocdocs Yes. I subscribed and regret to just have discovered this channel only in 2023 !
The Cure "In Orange" is the greatest concert film i have ever watched
I forgot about that! Time for a rewatch
Severin and Smith's 'The Glove' album is absolutely wonderful.
I agree. THats one of the reasons I wanted to make this video... I love that album, AND Nocturne, and Hyeana... I had to find a way to talk about all of them and Robert The Banshee was the perfect thread connecting everything. Well, that and LSD.
Remember the track ‘orgy’? I still love that🩵
Brilliant album !!😊
It’s fantastic
I agree as well! Their music supports me through my Life since the day I found it! Its like a trip through Life. Jeanette Landray did a great job singing on this. I wished they did more together...
I remember hearing the news that John McKay and Kenny Morris had left the Banshees and thinking the gig we were going to attend at the Brighton Top Rank was going to be cancelled. Luckily it wasn't and I remember thinking how amazing Robert Smith was to not only be heading up The Cure on their first big act support tour but also to play the whole set for the Banshees. Quite incredible. A truly memorable gig - Athletico Spizz 80 Lead Singer Spizz simply wanted to be spat at and vigorously urged the crowd to spit at him whilst he sat on the edge of the stage ironically shouting "Happy Birthday 1976 !!!!" , he was wearing an all red outfit and was simply dripping in spit and gob after a few minutes which he seemed to be enjoying far too much !! The gig went from one extreme to the other, the crazy zany almost psychotic Spizz to the The bright energetic spiky Cure with the incredible "stringsmith" at the helm, I just couldn't take my eyes of young Bob I just had that feeling I was amongst greatness that night. So when it came to the finale for the broken Romford Punkster fashionistas to swing into action you could tell Siousxie was in a playful mood the tension was in the air and then she stopped singing half way through a song to address a rather lively pogoing spitting punk audience stating and I quote "STOP SPITTING at me !!!!! If anyone else spits at me we will not play any more songs" Needless to say the punk hoardes submiitted to the Queens request and we all had a jolly good time.
What an amazing story. Thank you so much for sharing this. This may be the best comment on this channel so far. Well actually when Lux’s brother commented to talk about recording The Cramps that was pretty good too, but this is a great comment. Thank you so much, man. Awesome story.
@@GaryNeale-n8b what an experience; I'm jealous .....
Great comments brilliant - 👏
Blue Sunshine is one of my all time favourite albums. 30 years and its still in heavy rotation. I found it in a record store, had no idea who it was. You have to remember this was pre-internet. Fell in love with it immediately and then found out why at the 4th song when Smith sang and I realised who the band was. To me this is the greatest mash up of bands.
I need to re-find the record! Critical!
I was in O'Reilly's Auto Parts today and hear Fastball's Away and then some Cure song that wasn't familiar with me. I'm 57yo now but remember all the great music I grew up through my time...C/0 '85!
This could go on and on. That tennis ball sure knows a lot. I really liked The Glove. I found it when I first went into the navy. So, new territory and the glove definitely have a place in my heart.
Richie, thank you 🙏
Love Siouxie Sioux! Great, unique voice. Great stage presence. I kived in LA for some year & was invited to their show by a lical promoter, wires got crossed missed it. Would have been back stage, after gatherings. To this day when I listen to them I think of that missed opportunity! 😭
This was good, thank you. Hyaena was my first Siouxsie and The Banshees recoed and The Glove was one of my favorites, too. When The Creatures toured in San Francisco in the 90's I saw them after work and got so horribly drunk that night that I made a loud noise about meeting Siouxsie. She and Budgie came out after the show and had drinks with everyone still left over after hours. I got to meet her and talk with her for a few minutes... she was so nice to deal with me and laugh along with my giddy, joyful awe for her.
You drunk fool 🥴🍺🥃
I love Siouxsie and the Banshees!!
We already knew something of this, but now we have a much clearer picture of it, thank you very much.
Glad to hear that. Same for me actually- I learned a lot researching it. Thanks for watching and commenting
Billy-
Who's we? I already knew all of this, and have known it for 30 years.
@@alukuhito 🙄
I love everything Siouxsie Sioux and have been this way since 1988. I really appreciate all the info you've gathered and shared. Seeing her perform recently was a dream come true and an occurrence I never thought I would have the pleasure of attending, and I must admit, I cried. Like a little girl I bawled my eyes out briefly. During Dear Prudence, which she sang more beautifully than I could have ever imagined, I got caught up in the moment of realizing Im finally seeing her perform and it was one of the best moments of my life. Whew! That got heavy!!!!
Wow, I am truly jealous! Thanks for watching and for your kind words!
Amazing video! As someone who wasnt even born during these times, these videos help out a lot to know more about the band.
Thanks! Glad you got something out of it! I learned a lot just reading the source books!
It was a long time ago... I was only sixteen and still at school.The Cure were the best band I'd ever heard live at the time. All I remember about the !ords prayer was it was very long and loud!!
Cool. Thanks for replying. When I look back on those sorts of times I kick myself for not having taken photos or video! But, we didnt have access to the tools as readily.
@@rocdocs No cameras allowed....
Gave a Guitar away to a Fan. That is a level of Awesome rarely seen. Imagine being that guy later having actual equipment.
Saw The Cure back in the early 1980s. Great band.
Yes they are! Saw them in the disintegration tour. So good
Went to the gig at Hammersmith Odeon (ticket shown on video). Realized Robert Smith was on guitar and was amazed. Very memorable gig. Was a fan of both the Banshees and the Cure.
That’s incredible. I had a video of that show on VHS when I was a teenager. I watched it over and over and over again. I fantasized about being at that show. I’m so jealous and thank you for sharing!
Think between me and my wife we have or had every record shown but only got to see the Banshees once when Siouxsie had her leg in plaster, the whole show she sat on a bar stool but it was still a great gig. Had quite a few posters back in the day from the concerts and album promotions. Never got to see The Cure but saw Rob with the Banshees which sort of made up for it, I think.
The Glove was class better than The Creatures (sorry Budgie and Siouxsie) and even found the 2 x 12" singles in my local Woolworths.
Anyway, just reminiscing back in the old days when music really was music, never to be repeated.
Thanks for the video Dennis it really was a pleasure, everything was just as it should have been.
Stephen thanks for your memories! I agree- The Glove is better than The Creatures. Anyone who saw Robert play with the banshees is a lucky 🍀 man in my book!! So cool. Did he sing at all? Or just guitar?
@@rocdocs No Rob was just on guitar mate. I also had a neighbour 3 houses down by the name of Norman Fisher Jones who played with the Cure, as well as a few other bands, on tour in Germany. Can't say I really knew him though but his parents often came to my father in laws parties who house I now own since he passed on. Small world isn't it!
John valentine was the guitarist when siouxsie hurt her knee... Not Rob..
@@smac3794 I doubted you I must admit, but I guess it's a false memory. I saw them in 1985 in Liverpool at the Royal Court but I see it was the year before when they made the Nocturne album from the live tour.
Thanks for the reply happy to stand corrected. 👍
'Venus in Furs' was first a short story written by Leopold von Sacher-Masoch published in 1870. That's where 'Severin' is from, originally.
Thank you
Thanks for "bringing it together"....
The intensity of artistic expression and output in the early 1980's still astounds me. Always loved The Glove, The Creatures, the "Hyaena" LP, and the Cure's creativity of that time.
But it's the steadfast endurance of music that inspires, emotes a deeper spirit, and aspires for the classic... Not too many singers/artist/musicians can reach so high and root so deep.
Beautifully explained and expressed 👍🌈
Thanks for your thoughtful comment and for watching
I never knew that ! Thank you ! I so miss my Siouxsie t -shirt but so very happy I got to see The Cure this month .💜💜💜
Nice, I’m glad you got to go! Thx for stopping by
This channel is super underrated
Thank you so much for saying this, it means the world. GolaAmple, thanks so much for watching!
Love this vid, I respect both the Banshees and The Cure as legendary groups and you put in a lot of research into this timeline coming from a total nerd on cure lore. Nice work!
Thank you! Appreciate you watching and the kind words Brayden.
I had a good time listening to the stories. Satb and the cure are two bands I truly like. I still have albums from both bands to this day I love to listen to. Never gets old. I'm just the one aging off. Mabuhay!
Tammy ! Thanks for stopping by and commenting!
Siouxsie sang back up on The Cure’s Jumping Someone Else Train b-side I’m Cold.
Was it the case that Robert was inspired by Siouxsie first? I bet it was, with B sides like Eve White/Eve Black I can just see a Faith era Robert being blown away listening to that and thinking "Right I'm gonna make an album like that!"
Robert Smith has mentioned in a few interviews that he was a huge fan of The Banshees' b-sides
Thank you for this factoid, which I did NOT know!
@@Colin-ro6lh yes she did
Goth music has the best exchange of artists and creativity man
seriously though.. this was well written and well carried out.. the graphics of the video are premium also 🖤
This means a lot, thank you. Ballette drew the images - she is 12
@@rocdocsAmazing talent!!👍🏼
Absolutey great coverage of UK pop punk new wave, and Join Hands is their best album, nuff said!
Hey thank you! LOVE Join Hands! We're all sisters and broooothers
A lovely piece. It really fleshes out some connective tissue for my life lived, unexamined. 🖤 Thx
Thank you! Glad you liked it.
Siouxsie went through a lot of guitarists, John McGeoch, John Valentine Corruthers & Robert smith to name just three…..
When Smith “guested” for tours and studio time, she playfully nick named him “the pop star” as he had had several chart hits already with The Cure
It appears to me that this demonstrates ruling with an iron fist isn't always advisable. Siouxsie, for instance, was particularly tough on her guitarists, very demanding. They managed to rebound, but McGeough should have been given time to recover. I believe the only thing keeping Robert in the band was Severin.
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Yes that’s correct, Steven Severin and Robert Smith were very close friends during that period. Even though Smith was never a permanent member of the Banshees as it was more of him “doing them a favour and filling in between guitarists, because Severin was his mate”
Smith never stopped his work with The Cure - he just took a hiatus while he helped out with the Banshees - and he & Severin also collaborated on several other projects outside of the Banshees, including their album under the band name “The Glove”
McGeoch eventually reemerged as the guitarist in John Lydon’s P.I.L. where he did some of his best work, before giving it all away and training as a nurse !
Whilst i didn't learn anything new from your video it was a very well constructed and enjoyable watch. Thank you!
Thanks!
hey it was all new to me :)
I was at that concert in The Capitol Aberdeen A bouncer a friend of mine said there was going to be a riot as 2 members had walked out of a record signing The Cure were excellent and saved the night Absolutely brilliant concert I’ve been a fan of these 2 groups since 1978 I bought the Scream on its release and also 17 seconds by The Cure Loved The Forest
Wow!!! 🤯
@basher875
Alright loon?
Did you go for the ticket refund at the end?
Listened to them in Jr. High and high school. I grew up with great music 🎶 🎵
The glory days! Yeah we had some great tunes.
Love your work, Dennis!
As much as I like Robert Smith I still think you can’t beat John McGeoch’s guitar work on Spellbound which is my favourite Banshees track.
McGeoch was so good! It’s sad he left the band, truly
Yeah, my all time fave next to Robin Simon and Andy Gill. McGeoch’s book that came out last year is a great read.
Agreed
@@rocdocs aiñ't.......
Agreed. McGeoch was the best guitarist they ever had.
Thank you for this detailed history between these two bands and Robert Smith, He's always intertwined with the banshees in and out and never really understood the timeline this is really awesome video or reporting
Thanks so
Much!
Loved everything in your video! The narration and the graphics! Top notch! Even learned a few new tidbits about this special time. Thank you! Happy to be a Siouxsie and Banshees / Cure fan :)
Rose, thank you so much! That means the world !!!
Such a great video. Thank you!
Bloody Excellent video 😊
Nocturne is simply one of the best moments of the Banshees and of Smith's guitar playing. He takes what McGeoch did to a more terrifying level that Severin was able to match with lots of cool pedals. Severin was using two of the same powerful flange in a row at the time. I saw Nocturne in a record shop before I knew what it was and grabbed The Scream instead bc I like to start at a bands beginning. I regret that now a bit but ofc The Scream has seen a ton of time on my record player.
Rob did well in the Banshees. Playing Spellbound live is a fucking nightmare on guitar.
He really was great. I love that we got Nocturne as a wonderful record of that period’s performances!
Yep and Hyaena is my favorite Siouxsie record
Rob's time with The Glove was good too
Chris, thanks for watching and commenting! Much appreciated
I saw them at the Hammersmith Odeon, with the cure supporting,i remember that the cure said,"This is out monday ,Jump on somebody else's train ,i think 👍🇬🇧
Nice! What was the show like?
@@rocdocs it was amazing,I can still picture it ,big theatre I was in the balcony middle left of stage and everyone was dancing even in the balcony (circle) I remember love in void being particularly lively the place was electric 🇬🇧I'm really so lucky,I lived a 5 min walk from the venue,I've seen so many bands there including blondie,police, Motorhead,The Damned ect 👍🇬🇧🍀🇮🇪
Wow great video! I thought I was a hardcore fan but I learned a few things here. Thank you!
robert smith also famously played guitar with the stranglers (as did robert fripp) when hugh cornwell was in jail for a few months on drug possession charges. both smith and fripp were/are big stranglers fans and they kicked ass with them.
Dan - thanks for this comment, interesting
Tbf both Roberts kick ass
OMFG . I was lying in bed last night and for no reason at all , started to wonder if Siouxsie and Robert ever made up ! And lo , look what popped up in my recommendations .
I’m a psychic! I hope you enjoyed the video, Riggs!
Extremely interesting in-depth look into piece of musical history, thanks for that! Btw, glitch at 11:36 :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great vid! I recently began to dig deeper into the Banshees discography and saw somewhere he had played for them, and this video was exactly was I was hoping to find! I will take a listen to the glove, thanks!
Cool, spoon! Happy to be of service!!!
Great breakdown, thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it, Brice! Thanks!
What a great video! Thank you ❤
You are so welcome! Thanks for watching and commenting, LastTime!
This is fantastic ! Thank you .
That’s so nice to hear, thanks Jerome!
Congrats on the new channel name, Dennis! So, Robert was only on one of the Banshees studio albums? Fun fact: the drummer from the Glove (Andy Anderson) was a member of the Cure for the Japanese Whispers era, and maybe the Top.
Thanks Jack! Cool fact!
Yeah, good drumming on these !
I think it was '79 I saw The Banshees at the Royal Court in Liverpool. The Cure were supporting, Robert Smith later played with Souxsie.
Wow 🤩
So much luv for 🖤Susan & Robert 🖤
Same!! Thx Betty for watching!
Wow - this was kool, I never knew any of this… thank you .
Dennis, great vid! This is a period in music history that I've always wondered about, but had never looked into. This cleared up a lot of questions.
Glad it was helpful!
More great work here, Robert did well stepping into fill John's shoes!!!
Thanks my friend!!
John Peel put out a message to say the Banshees were looking for a new guitarist and drummer.
I wrote and applied for the guitarist job, aged 14.
Obviously, I didn't get the job, but I did get a nice letter from Nils Stevenson.
Happy days.
Wow!! Thank you so much for sharing that really cool story
Loved the video!
Thanks nightdiver! Appreciate you stopping by and commenting by friend!
Man this video dusted off some memories I hadn't visited in a while.
I hope you dug it, Mr.b.
I love this band!!!❤
I do too!
New sub! Liking the fresh look and storylines!
Welcome aboard! Thanks for subbing, and the kind words Allister!
there are versions of The Glove demos with Robert singing and OMG they are divine!
Available on vinyl?
@@rocdocs doubt it. Found them on YT.
Excellent video thanks
Hey thank YOU for watching and commenting- I appreciate it!
Subscribed. Great video.
Thanks so much Churchill’s liver! That means a lot
So much I didn't know about my own freaking childhood. Goddamn. Nicely done.
He was also a fill-in Banshee during the late summer of 1979, when the Banshees had lost John McKay (guitar) and Kenny Morris (drums) only hours before a gig in Aberdeen, Scotland. He had offered to fill in for McKay until the other Banshees eventually found John McGeoch as a full-time guitarist.
Budgie, last of the band the Slits, was also intended to be a fill-in drummer but Siouxsie liked his drumming style so much he stayed with them until their 1996 breakup, and was even married to her from 1991 to 2007.
Thank you. Yes, both topics we cover in the video. You should check it out lol! Thanks for stopping by and comment
I love Robert Smith...but I always though John McGeogh was my favorite Banshees' guitarist! Finally, I got to see John when he played with PIL in Fresno 87ish when the band opened for INXS. Good times!
Wow!
One time they all spent the night partying. The next day Siouxsie cancelled a show bc they were too hungover. This pissed off Robert who said, "You owe it to your fans."
"We dont owe our fans anything. We had fun last night. You had fun. We do this for fun. When it stops being fun, we stop doing it" was her response. I don't think he quite got Siouxsie.
Good story, thank you dreamers !
Are you sure about this? It doesn't seem characteristic of Siouxsie to miss a gig. Honestly, I'm not sure how she managed with Robert and John. It's said that Robert visited a doctor during this period, who advised him to stop whatever he was doing.
Definite influence on the tribal psychedelic manic THE TOP album. My favourite Cure album and the most aligned with Robert Smith's personal sensibilities as opposed to commercial outreach or 'Cure sound' consistency. The Top didn't give a fuck.
The Top really stands alone as one of The Cure's best albums. I also think Japanese Whispers is one of their great moments.
@@itssoezy Those synthpop singles after the trajectory of the dark brooding years before must have been so odd and dispiriting to Cure fans at that time lol - and yes of course Robert/Lol did irresistible quirky synthpop quite unlike anyone else.
I agree, it’s peak stuff.
I love The Top. It's also interesting that it's Robert, not Simon, playing bass on the album too. Robert's a great bassist, something overlooked by most people.
Great stuff
Terry - thanks for watching and for your support!
For me, Smith was awesome in the banshees, The nocturn at the royal albert hall is one of the best gigs I've seen ( apart from The gathering... Killing joke)
You were there? AMAZING! I am very jealous. They were truly amazing in those two shows.
I saw Siouxsie and the Banshees at Coventry Hypadrome when Robert Smith was in them
Wow! Any specific memories you can share with us?
I remember seeing an interview, probably on MuchMusic in the late 80s, where Siouxsie complained about people supposedly giving Robert Smith too much credit for the music on Hyaena.
Thanks I will check that out!
🤘🏻🎱🤘🏻very cool
Thank you Raimy! Appreciate you watching and commenting!
I learn allot from your vids man.
I saw Siouxsie and the Banshees with Robert Smith playing guitar open for the Cure in Oakland CA at the Henry J Kaiser Convention Center, about 1986? It might have been just a thing for that show but RS was playing live with them after 1984 at least that night.
Cool! Do you remember any of the songs they did or highlights? That’s an amazing time to have seen them! Thx for watching and commenting swan!
i don’t think they ever opened for the cure? john valentine was the guitarist in 1986 and they were on tour with love and rockets at that time
Yeah I admit I may be blurring memories at this point, but still have tix stub for Siouxsie June 1, 86 at the Henry J Kaiser. Cure at the Greek July 26, 86. Saw both before that. Also the head on the Door tour book from 87?
Saw The Cure and Siouxsie and the Banshees and Love and Rockets all at least 3 times all between 84- 87. My memory is that Robert Smith played with them, so maybe it was in 84? have to admit I was 12-15 years old 84-87 and I could be blurring some memories now. I'll try to confirm it with some people I went with. definitely saw L&R open for them one of the times I saw them.
Saw L&R at Wolfgangs and at the Berkeley Community Theater also around then. Could be blurring that in there.
The SF Bay Area was a goldmine for inexpensive live shows /all ages shows and easy BART access.
@@ihavezeroideawhattoputhere3653 could/may be blurring memories of shows I saw around the same time but I remember RS sitting in and it was a buzz. maybe it was him sitting in with the opener at the Oakland arena show in 87 or the greek theater show in 86? will ask some of the people I went with
@@uncleswan3896 L&R opened for them during the tinderbox tour, and i think L&R opened for the cure in 89? maybe that’s where the confusion is coming from
Marco pirroni from adam and the ants...the glove, smith and severin, very beautiful.
Great time of this band
Really was. What a time for incredible music from both bands
Great video. Love Robert Smith and The Cure, great guitarist, but his main talent is songwriting. Give me John McGeoch with the Banshees any time of day. McKay deserves his praise for playing with the Banshees too, before Robert. Robert is already praised enough, deservedly so, for his work with The Cure. Let others have their moment. They deserve it.
Thanks galetin- I appreciate you watching and commenting! And thanks for your kind words, I’m glad you like the video.
Well done. Can you do a small piece on the collaboration between Suzie and Morrissey?
Good idea! Let me look into that!
The illustrations are REAL goof! Credits please....
Goof or good? My 12 year old daughter drew them. Ballette is her artist moniker.
The Scream is a fantastic album! :-)
It really is special.
There is a minor error - The Caterpillar was the single from The Top and wasn't part of the Japanese Whispers compilation.
Thank you Zoe! I hope you otherwise dug it.
@@rocdocs absolutely did - it was a great breakdown, and I really enjoy this period of The Cure and the Banshees. Top work. :)
I loved the video ! Is there a way to make a continuation until the end of the band on 1996? Much appreciated.
Thanks Kyle- we will add it to the trello as a possible future vid!
A lot of the goings-on weren't well known back then except locally, and in England it seems whoever you name has played with several other famous people or bands somewhere along the way. Love Robert Smith anywhere, but McGeoch was the "most Banbshee" of all that bands guitarists. Now imagine if he'd stayed, all the friendships, influences, likes and dislikes which greatly influenced the future for all involved might not ever have happened....
He had a nervous breakdown, it wasn't a matter of "if he stayed". There was no telling how long his recovery could have taken.
I really like that song “Icons”
I do to it’s so cool and catchy
Possibly already mentioned but The Banshees' mad version of The Lord's Prayer didn't become a feature of their live set after it was recorded for Join Hands. It was the other way around. In fact it was the first thing they ever played at that notorious 100 Club gig with Sid on drums and Marco Pirroni on guitar. Because they hadn't actually written anything at that point and weren't even sure if they would be playing again. The versions they played subsequently would be largely improvised and would include comments on the gig and the audience. Not always complementary. The recorded version on Join Hands was pretty lacklustre by comparison.
Thank you! I read a bit about that but I only know the studio version. There were a few details I omitted and I appreciate you filling us in,
I really love my favorite biggest crush on Robert Smith
Totally
16:37 - quick correction: The Caterpillar was a single for The Top. Not part of the 82/83 Cure singles.
Jeff, thanks for the knowledge!
I had a ticket to see them on the Sunday (9 September 1979) after the Aberdeen f up. It was going to be at the Kinema ballroom in Dunfermline and was cancelled , still pisses me off 45 years later 🤣
Noooooo
I watched Robert Smith playing with the Banshees at Preston Guild Hall, it was October 1985. I don't know if he was filling in for someone or if he was still in the band, it was definitely him though.
Nice! Did they play “pulled to bits”? Any memory of the setlist?
@@rocdocs
Icon
Cascade
Pointing Bone
The Sweetest Chill
Cannons
Melt!
Candyman
Land's End
Night Shift
This Unrest
92º
Pulled to Bits
Christine
Party's Fall
Bring Me the Head of the Preacher Man
Painted Bird
Arabian Knights
Happy House
Encore:
Cities in Dust
Encore 2:
Israel
@@Jabular1 it is impossible bc The Cure played The Head Tour in USA, 04 Oct 1985 they were in Portland, and your concert happened on 05 Oct 1985 in England. Both sides never interacted with each other since Robert Smith left like they say
@@beecrispy It was deffo Robert Smith, I'll put my life on it. Maybe I've got the dates wrong. I googled the gigs for the Banshees in Preston around the middle 80's and that date came up. Maybe it was earlier than I first thought, I'm 55 and my memory isn't what it used to be ... lol.
@@Jabular1 I believe you but it was something else probably, not that date or the place. I couldn’t find another date in Preston in any tour list, so the date is correct I guess. And The Cure were in USA/Canada from September, so it’s physically impossible to happen. Maybe was it another show, not in Preston ?
The bold and the beautiful.
You are indeed sane! 😂