I’d like to see the defender with a larger subframe lift with no airbag lift to keep the articulation in check, it always seems to be on Tippy toes. Love that you’re not afraid of modifying your rig - tuff stuff👊🏼
Three great rigs. Coolest part is to see how three different OEMs engineer an off roader with Jeep on one end of the spectrum and LR on the other side and the Bronco in between with IFS and disconnecting sway bars.
Wonderful video! The great thing about the new Defender is that it is a luxurious every day and road trip driver, but it can still tackle extreme offroading. Not many vehicles can make that claim. Perhaps the Tough T?
No, 392 was running a brand new set of 39” KM3’s… we’ve since pulled those off our other vehicles (miserable tire). Defender was running 35x12.5r18 Toyo Open Country MT’s. Bronco has a set of stock 35’s (also a miserable tire)
35x12.5r18 Toyo Open Country MT on TuffAnt wheels - 4” lift We are now running 37” Nitto Trail Grapplers on Black Rhino Alstons on our v8 110 with 5” lift
No, it is too slow to react/ too intrusive and doesn’t allow you to heat up the tires to increase your grip. It’s ok for smaller obstacles but not the big ones
You guys running Pancho's tires at full pressure or is the sidewall a 10 ply and it just appears that way? I have a fully tricked out 2021 PowerWagon with full Carli/King suspension replacement, 37's and with the disconnecting swaybar and locking front and rear, it has unparalleled articulation and I'd love to wheel with you guys and learn a few things. I'm a noob when it comes to the complexity of what you're doing, however. I'd be there to soak up the skills.
We ran the 392 at 9 psi and the Defender at 15 psi that day. Not a fan of those KM3’s. We just switched over to a Mickey Thompson Baja Boss MT’s… much better tire!
Great video Steve. Always good to c Big Bertha in action. And Yes, LR need to offer a decent off road Tyre package as an OEM option. The AT tyres they offer have a very limited scope off road. 🤷🏻♂️
I have a ‘21 HSE - what’s a good hybrid tire you recommend for street / off roading without going overboard? I thought the stock AT tire LR offers looked pretty decent but maybe not? - thanks
I think that mud puddle right before the rocks was the problem. Even jeeps with front and rear locked and all four wheels on rock couldn’t get any traction. “Not enough light bars”. Lmao. Love the vids. Keep em coming. You should mod a few Defenders like this and sell them at your dealership. You could call it the CO Trails edition. I’m out of the JLR family and back to Jeep- the LR4 is gone and I’m in a Gladiator Rubicon with an Alucab canopy. For my uses- carrying a mountain bike and all of it’s required stuff 24/7, the kind of offroading I do, and the more ease of modifying, the Jeep just suit my purposes more. Still love seeing the Defenders modded and out there on the trail tho. No doubt with some mods (not even nearly as many as you did) the new Defenders will be able to go most places their owners want to go with them.
Yes. We watched 10 rigs a couple of weeks later attempt this same line. 2 Buggies… one made it and the other broke, an H1 made it after several attempts, a sweet LS stretched LJ made it, several Cherokees and a 4 Runner attempted but couldn’t get up the line, and a built S-10 Blazer walked right up it NP. You just never know…
Jeep had after market assistance, the Defender wasn’t driven correctly; steering right to left on some of those climbs would have helped; driver needs practice! Your video quality is excellent, wow!
We wheel 40+ days a year in Defenders, 6 of our Jeeps, and our 4Runner. Thanks though… That Defender build was exceptionally tippy and several builds ago. We’re now on 37’s with significantly more articulation. Watched a buggy and a built CJ both flip same spot on this obstacle a few weeks later.
@@cotrails8356 just kidding, I’m so envious of you guys; I live near Santa Fe, NM maybe one day I can get up your way and wheel with you in my LR4, or 1968 Series IIA! Planning to be in Moab in October!
@@cotrails8356 thanks for the pardon; God willing I can make it this year 👍🏼 I’m starting to like the Defender more and more, so pleased to see owners actually using them as intended; much respect 🫡
It was very wet at the base and you really have to heat up the tires to get the mud off and find any grip… the Defender’s programming is not a fan of this type of wheeling unfortunately. On Nittos it would have walked right
From my understanding based on what I have heard around the globe 33" tires are far more common throughout the globe, especially in remote areas than 35's are. Still, though, I think an Off-Road Package with a proper wheel and tire setup for the North American Market would have been nice.
@@seanwright5894 tire size isn’t the problem- the problem is wheel size (20s) and tire choice (crap very street oriented AT). If Proud Rhino can make a kit to accommodate 18s over the brake calipers, then JLR could also, and could also offer it as a package for those who want it. Along with more legit tires.
@@seanwright5894 I'd rather it offer some sort of suspension travel instead of looking like a skateboard and lifting tires when going over small pebbles. Yes its capable, yes it looks amazing but with no articulation the entire truck is working harder to compensate. Its actually very impressive what the defender can do despite such a poorly setup suspension for offroading. I can only imagine how capable amd more stable 9ver off camber 9bstacles it would be if it had a suspension like the Bronco.
It is truly amazing how bad that defender did. Especially since it is so modified. I still can’t believe it. I have never seen a more expensive fail. It looks sick.
Partially correct, yes. They posted about 2 1/2 weeks ago. They graciously shared some of their clips as my son and I could not always film when we were driving…
Lr def has just no working mode air susp in full height with no articulation. Just imagine how comfortable to go in this mode in rocky terrain for a few hours)
I got my defender last year. And believe me it's not that unrellible i haven't faced any issues with mine People who are claiming should own one before saying
If I want a luxury car, that needs thousands in upgrades to barely offroad, I'll probably choose the Range Rover. We owned the defender and the Range Rover, kept the Rover, and just like the gentleman in this video, I chose the 392XR for myself over the defender. 12s in the quarter mile, solid axles, convertable hard top. There just isn't anything that can compete with the 392, especially in XR trim.
We ran this at 15 psi. Any less and that rim doesn’t bead as well as we’d like. Watched a buggy and a CJ flop in this very same spot two weekends later.
Impressive that the soft roader Land Rover made it despite not having real mechanical lockers, whoever was driving was a great driver, the Jeep was the best off road hands down but the driver wasn’t that good😬 not a horrible driver or any, but some people just have the skill and it’s almost impossible to acquire the top level, just like being a top race car driver, did everyone notice how bad the traction control on the Land Rover was and the lack of wheel travel? I’d love to know how hot the LR brakes got😬 they’d probably got brake fade before they even touch the brakes from all that brake actuation when traction was low.
Nope. Not the intention. The fully independent suspension struggles to make these big step climbs. It was very wet at the bottom. This is 3 builds ago. We now run 37’s, remove the rear swaybar, and trick the programming so we get more wheel spin in order to heat up the tires so they’ll grip on these large obstacles. Left side line here is known to chew up ring gears and many many many flops
Why is each car recorded from a different perspective? The recordings should be from the same place so that you can see how these cars behave. It doesn't make sense to record each car from a different perspective.
It’s crazy tippy and sketch line . Watched a buggy and a built Jeep flop same obstacle a couple weeks later. New defender rolls 90 mph pulling you 8200 lb boat up the pass with up to 7 passengers. Capable Offroad. Civilized on road. Our V8 110 is on 37’s. Way more articulation since we filmed this on. This is two builds ago…
I know this video was mainly about the Defender and the Bronco, but the JL was my favorite by far. The other two are cool, but the Wrangler is still the king.
@@nm-qt2hb we shall see. I think for hardcore rock crawling and technical off-roading, the Wrangler and its solid front axle is still going to rule. I love the 392, but that's way out of budget, and for my uses the Bronco probably more than sufficient. Definitely more capable than my 4Runner.
@@trailrunnah8886 The Four Runner is a great truck. May not be as capable in stock form on some trails,. It's comfort and cargo size will always make it one of the top overland vehicles out there 👍. Pros and cons for everything. Overall that Toyota is a great Overland choice.
good eye, you'll notice the bronco took bypasses not wanting their viewers to see it on the winch wire - in real world of wheeling you often cant go around
@@nm-qt2hb respect for defender trying, rubicons keep their wheels on the ground which is key , bronco lifts its wheels even on easy obsticles - this is major comprimise in off roading and in off camber situations as demonstrated by the defender the IFS will leave the bronco in a tip over situation , so no its not superior to the rubicon - its a compromise, the fact you brag about the bronco being not equal but superior to a rubicon is hilarious - thanks for the chuckle
@@kykynkey7559 Only in extreme rock crawling the Jeep will benefit slightly. Again, you are comparing a modified Jeep on 39" tires to a stock factory Bronco. Over the next few months we will see more and more stock Vs stock Jeep/Bronco out on trails. It will be clear the Bronco is superior. The solid front axle is no longer the end all set up. Look at every off road racing event. Outside of nostalgia vehicles, most are IFS. Then consider how terrible the Jeep would be driving to the trail with the oversize tires and lifted suspension. We are talking 1970s Vs modern technology.
@@nm-qt2hb in my original post if I was comparing anything it was the defender on same size tire with less lockers attempting an obstacle the bronco clearly ran ran away from more than once , you keep bringing up the 39 inch tires and rubicon like its your nightmare , the bronco with more hardware wouldnt follow the defended - shame shame bronco, your claiming it to be superior - to be superior you cant hide taking bypasses brother especially with same tire sized rigs on the trail, also - IFS is from the 1960's - its been used on cars for 60+ years - I have come to the conclusion your terrified by large tires and dont even know what your talking about - you probably dont even know ford plays v8 engine sounds inside bronco cab when trying to accelerate - your their perfect customer lol
We're getting closer and closer to the point where batteries outperform diesel motors. As soon as electric competes with diesel we'll see the end of the ICE. That's not happening any time soon...
@@War_Deadpool yes the Bronco with 35’s and Sasquatch needs more lift… 2” should solve it for most. No winching on the Bronco. It did well in stock form… it will max out on a level 7 trail without substantial mods as does our 4Runner. 4Runnner, Bronco, Defender fairly similar characteristics on trail
I do think the Bronco would make it up that line on a dry day with significant belly pan scraping on a dry day. I don’t think it would have been a good call to attempt the Bronco that day, it was so muddy at the base and difficult to get tires cleared off enough…
@@cotrails8356 we'll never know I guess, the moment has past but even an attempt and a reverse out would've been better than no attempt at all. Thanks for the reply.
@@hotwheels100 in the final clip you hear the Bronco excessively scraping belly significantly on a reasonably easy/ smooth rolling rock face. The step up on the other line is substantially larger - at least another foot higher, squared off at the top of the step, and very difficult to get up to start that line. The belly of the Bronco was scraping all day and would maybe have a shot grinding over it on a dry day with signifier pedal input. Keep in mind, I’m a huge fan of all three of these vehicles and we do have a Bronco on order from one of our Ford stores as well…
@@cotrails8356 I'm not suggesting anything, just curious, if you initiate the rock crawl mode and put it in low gear when you were driving over those rock walls and the defender couldn't do it? There was so much free wheel spinning. I own an RRS with previous generation terrain response system and that was surprising to see.
the land rover is so stiff and top heavy, it feels im watching an older ford explorer do the rubicon. this is not good stuff. i dont know why you keep sinking money into that thing. you are taking it where it doesnt belong and you have to keep spending more money to try to make it work.
Extremely disappointed but not surprised that TFL is too coward to put the Bronco to the test where three Jeeps failed; my guess is daddy wouldn't approve.
I would not have tried it that day either. I think it would make it on a dry day, but would definitely scrape the belly a lot along the way… Big Bertha would have mare it up on a dry day too. We had to really heat up the tires on the 392 before it was able to walk up. The tech on the Bronco and the Defender (very similar if not identical systems) doesn’t really allow you to heat them up appropriately
@@cotrails8356 You give a good explanation of the way it was. Big Bertha looked like it was gaining traction right before the end of the attempt. I kept wanting someone to apply a little weight on the driver side front bumper to help complete the climb.
Some of the choices of music were just horrible is my reason for the thumbs down. Music isn't required I'd rather listen to the tires and engine. Thanks
Our latest Trophy Edition is on 37’s with a 5” lift and rear swaybar disconnected. Ran every line classic 90’s and 110’s ran in Moab and ran them smoother as well… videos in edit currently👍
Three legends. Different strengths but all awesome.
the Defender intro was jaw dropping !!
Beautiful country to ride lucky guys awesome video
I’d like to see the defender with a larger subframe lift with no airbag lift to keep the articulation in check, it always seems to be on Tippy toes. Love that you’re not afraid of modifying your rig - tuff stuff👊🏼
New build coming in September along those lines👍👍👍
Stay tuned👍👍👍
My thoughts exactly!
Actually when the brand new defender was just released I thought some guys would do live axle conversion straight but I havent seen any yet😞
@@XJ_is_gone hopeful somebody can still crack the code👍👍👍
Three great rigs. Coolest part is to see how three different OEMs engineer an off roader with Jeep on one end of the spectrum and LR on the other side and the Bronco in between with IFS and disconnecting sway bars.
Brilliant many thanks loved each of the Cars shame we not getting the Bronco in the UK think it would be a big hit.....
This was a great experience 👍😊
Judy’s got me a bronco so I love this. Team bronco baby
The Bronco is going to be great. Love the new Defender. Wished they came with a better tire and wheel package from the factory.
We couldn’t agree more!
@@cotrails8356
For sure the most bad ass new Defender I have seen.
@@nm-qt2hb we’re working up some more badassery in the shop now👍
Great video sir! Top! Awesome conclusion at the end of the video 🎩
Wonderful video! The great thing about the new Defender is that it is a luxurious every day and road trip driver, but it can still tackle extreme offroading. Not many vehicles can make that claim. Perhaps the Tough T?
Totally agree! My go to without question for anything over 45 minute drive and when we have to pull our 7800 lb boat👍
Guess you missed seeing what that IFS did. But keep telling yourself 5 rated trails are extreme
The defender did very good and was pushed to its limits. What tyre size is on it? much improved over the 18 or 19s they come with
This is so cool! I can't wait to see your new build! 🙂👏👏👏🏆❤️
Rock stacking at its finest
👍👍👍Everybody stacks rocks sometime… even the big boys on 42’s I’ve seen stack rocks here and Moab👍👍👍
@@cotrails8356 if you have to stack rocks maybe you shouldn't be on that trail or pull a line.
@@tombarger9976 I watched a guy stack rocks with 40’s on Carnage Canyon last week. It happens… see it all the time
@@cotrails8356 cause you can't pick a line
Bro all 3 of these rigs suck. Seriously.. and no none of your rigs are capable aside from going over a ski pass to get to Steamboat.
Sorry dear Americans... the Defender is and remains the best and most beautiful off-road car for Europe
Awesome video! Keep em comin 💪👍
Were those the stock tires and lift on the jeep? If they are then it's a fair comparison
No, 392 was running a brand new set of 39” KM3’s… we’ve since pulled those off our other vehicles (miserable tire). Defender was running 35x12.5r18 Toyo Open Country MT’s. Bronco has a set of stock 35’s (also a miserable tire)
My strongest Land Rover ❤❤❤
What was the PSI on those tires ?
We ran at 15 psi that day
please could you tell me What type of tire and rim you put on your defender? thank you
35x12.5r18 Toyo Open Country MT on TuffAnt wheels - 4” lift
We are now running 37” Nitto Trail Grapplers on Black Rhino Alstons on our v8 110 with 5” lift
Wrangler the best
Stupid question from someone who has never ever gone offloading: do you actually go back the same way you went? Or are the "point A to point B" trips?
We do both. This trail is an out and back. Just ran it again last week in our New Defender 110V8 on 37’s (KONG)
did you even use the rock crawl mode?
No, it is too slow to react/ too intrusive and doesn’t allow you to heat up the tires to increase your grip. It’s ok for smaller obstacles but not the big ones
You guys running Pancho's tires at full pressure or is the sidewall a 10 ply and it just appears that way? I have a fully tricked out 2021 PowerWagon with full Carli/King suspension replacement, 37's and with the disconnecting swaybar and locking front and rear, it has unparalleled articulation and I'd love to wheel with you guys and learn a few things. I'm a noob when it comes to the complexity of what you're doing, however. I'd be there to soak up the skills.
We ran the 392 at 9 psi and the Defender at 15 psi that day. Not a fan of those KM3’s. We just switched over to a Mickey Thompson Baja Boss MT’s… much better tire!
We’ll be wheeling again later this month in CO…
your opinion, apart from Ford Raptor, which car is suitable for off road, ZR2, Jeep, Toyota, or Ford Bronco?
Tough Trail, give it to the Jeep. Interested to see how the Defender V8 two door would cope with that one.
Excited to get ours early next year. The two door will be too short for that obstacle though…
Great video Steve.
Always good to c Big Bertha in action.
And Yes, LR need to offer a decent off road Tyre package as an OEM option.
The AT tyres they offer have a very limited scope off road. 🤷🏻♂️
your opinion, apart from Ford Raptor, which car is suitable for off road, ZR2, Jeep, Toyota, or Ford Bronco?
Any progress on the new Defender build?
Yes posted first video running in Moab on 37’s. More to come when I can free up to edit including Hells Gate
I have a ‘21 HSE - what’s a good hybrid tire you recommend for street / off roading without going overboard? I thought the stock AT tire LR offers looked pretty decent but maybe not? - thanks
Duratracs, KO2’s, or Nitto Ridge Grapplers. Duratracs best in snow. Nittos best off road. KO2’s in the middle
@@cotrails8356 thanks!
Did you regear pancho? If so, what gears?
We did not. Will go to 5.13’s when we do axle swap next year…
5:43
Defender : need help😒..
Wrangler : ok..bro...😚i'am coming for you...
That wrangler is garbage to
I think that mud puddle right before the rocks was the problem. Even jeeps with front and rear locked and all four wheels on rock couldn’t get any traction. “Not enough light bars”. Lmao. Love the vids. Keep em coming. You should mod a few Defenders like this and sell them at your dealership. You could call it the CO Trails edition. I’m out of the JLR family and back to Jeep- the LR4 is gone and I’m in a Gladiator Rubicon with an Alucab canopy. For my uses- carrying a mountain bike and all of it’s required stuff 24/7, the kind of offroading I do, and the more ease of modifying, the Jeep just suit my purposes more. Still love seeing the Defenders modded and out there on the trail tho. No doubt with some mods (not even nearly as many as you did) the new Defenders will be able to go most places their owners want to go with them.
Yes. We watched 10 rigs a couple of weeks later attempt this same line. 2 Buggies… one made it and the other broke, an H1 made it after several attempts, a sweet LS stretched LJ made it, several Cherokees and a 4 Runner attempted but couldn’t get up the line, and a built S-10 Blazer walked right up it NP. You just never know…
@@cotrails8356 can never underestimate randomness when on a trail!
El bronco es el mejor sin fallas
Jeep had after market assistance, the Defender wasn’t driven correctly; steering right to left on some of those climbs would have helped; driver needs practice! Your video quality is excellent, wow!
We wheel 40+ days a year in Defenders, 6 of our Jeeps, and our 4Runner. Thanks though…
That Defender build was exceptionally tippy and several builds ago. We’re now on 37’s with significantly more articulation. Watched a buggy and a built CJ both flip same spot on this obstacle a few weeks later.
@@cotrails8356 just kidding, I’m so envious of you guys; I live near Santa Fe, NM maybe one day I can get up your way and wheel with you in my LR4, or 1968 Series IIA!
Planning to be in Moab in October!
@@fj9460-lr it’s all good!!!! Yes, We’ll be in Moab too in KONG for GARR and then headed to Sand Hallow for Team Hero from there with the Jeeps…
@@cotrails8356 thanks for the pardon; God willing I can make it this year 👍🏼 I’m starting to like the Defender more and more, so pleased to see owners actually using them as intended; much respect 🫡
your opinion, apart from Ford Raptor, which car is suitable for off road, ZR2, Jeep, Toyota, or Ford Bronco?
wrangler is ther best ❣❣❤😍😍😘😘
PANCHO is like bringing a Howitzer to a knife fight😎👍
For getting stuck.. sure.. for being pavement princess ...sure.. for being used as a 4WD..
Nope...
Any fender trimming required to fit the 35s on the defender with your lift?
We trimmed the front bumper wheel opening and relocated the cooler up and tilted forward…
@@byronlarson5534bYes , with the Lucky 8 Off Road conversion kit for the rear calipers
wanna know what size tires of the defender
35x12.5r18 on this one. 37x12.5r18 on our latest build
Maybe airing down would help?
We ran the Defender at 15 psi and the 392 at 10 that day. Defender can’t air down any more on those rims as they don’t hold a bead
The new Defender may not be the most capable, but definitely the nicest looking.
In stock it is the most capable
i was just telling the wife knowbody buys this to go off-roading , maybe an old defender, i wouldn't have the heart to destroy that thing
are these rocks made out of Astroglide? Why is nobody getting traction? What am I missing??
It was very wet at the base and you really have to heat up the tires to get the mud off and find any grip… the Defender’s programming is not a fan of this type of wheeling unfortunately. On Nittos it would have walked right
@@cotrails8356 thanks 😊 🙏
Defender with proper tires is very capable. I do not understand why the offroad package does not include proper wheels+tires combo.
Agreed. New FJ is planning for 35’s day 1, so did Bronco….
From my understanding based on what I have heard around the globe 33" tires are far more common throughout the globe, especially in remote areas than 35's are. Still, though, I think an Off-Road Package with a proper wheel and tire setup for the North American Market would have been nice.
@@seanwright5894 tire size isn’t the problem- the problem is wheel size (20s) and tire choice (crap very street oriented AT). If Proud Rhino can make a kit to accommodate 18s over the brake calipers, then JLR could also, and could also offer it as a package for those who want it. Along with more legit tires.
@@seanwright5894 I'd rather it offer some sort of suspension travel instead of looking like a skateboard and lifting tires when going over small pebbles. Yes its capable, yes it looks amazing but with no articulation the entire truck is working harder to compensate. Its actually very impressive what the defender can do despite such a poorly setup suspension for offroading. I can only imagine how capable amd more stable 9ver off camber 9bstacles it would be if it had a suspension like the Bronco.
The defender looks 100x better w/ 35s and the lift
your opinion, apart from Ford Raptor, which car is suitable for off road, ZR2, Jeep, Toyota, or Ford Bronco?
your opinion, apart from Ford Raptor, which car is suitable for off road, ZR2, Jeep, Toyota, or Ford Bronco?
Jeep wrangler легенда на всех времён
What’s the new build teaser for?
Coming in September…. Really excited to reveal it a GARR👍👍👍
Where to put the winch 🤔🤔🤔
Hello. Where is it?
Wheeler Lake Trail in Colorado
Defender the king
Bronko defender is top stock suv.
It is truly amazing how bad that defender did. Especially since it is so modified. I still can’t believe it. I have never seen a more expensive fail. It looks sick.
This is three builds ago. We have solved articulation and now running 37’s on these. Much better and still tows 8200 lbs at 80 mph with 7 passengers!
I see this same video in TFL a month ago. Correct me if Im wrong
Partially correct, yes. They posted about 2 1/2 weeks ago. They graciously shared some of their clips as my son and I could not always film when we were driving…
@@cotrails8356 perfect... Cheers mate
@3.00 road filling done on surface??
Somebody filled the crack in with stones over a year ago. Used to be a deeper V on that obstacle
@@cotrails8356 thanks for reply. you guys have amazing driving skills. Also hats off to engineers who make this mean machine.
They aren’t all standard ??
Standard what?
Fit an electronic lock in front as well!
Completely agree… waiting for someone to develop an option👍👍👍
defender is just a city car.. 😂
did anyone air down?
392 ran at 10 psi. Defender at 15 (those rims pop a bead below that. I believe the Bronco was at 18
I would take the UNImoG on that trail
Lr def has just no working mode air susp in full height with no articulation. Just imagine how comfortable to go in this mode in rocky terrain for a few hours)
Correct. We’re running standard ride height with 37’s now and substantially more articulation in our latest build
@@cotrails8356 thats good decision)
Instead of ‘defender x ‘ JLR should sell Defender ST for steve’s .. pretty sure it will sell more .. 😀😀
Thank you… too kind. Really happy with how Big Bertha turned out!
And Steve’s should have been the Trophy Edition. Not that ridiculous thing they put out that is nothing more than an appearance package.
@@dadventuretv2538 stay tuned. Next build in process…👍👍👍
Thanks. Would love to enjoy the sound of the vehicles without the music all the way.
Love the Defender but would be worried it's going to break down!
I got my defender last year.
And believe me it's not that unrellible i haven't faced any issues with mine
People who are claiming should own one before saying
If I want a luxury car, that needs thousands in upgrades to barely offroad, I'll probably choose the Range Rover. We owned the defender and the Range Rover, kept the Rover, and just like the gentleman in this video, I chose the 392XR for myself over the defender. 12s in the quarter mile, solid axles, convertable hard top. There just isn't anything that can compete with the 392, especially in XR trim.
your opinion, apart from Ford Raptor, which car is suitable for off road, ZR2, Jeep, Toyota, or Ford Bronco?
You guys need a V8 defender and some better grippy tyres more threads
On order👍. Building a New Defender now to run in Moab at the Great American River Rally later this month…
Keep it up man
I herd of 130 coming
It will look good on 37'
Could do with a little airing down
We ran this at 15 psi. Any less and that rim doesn’t bead as well as we’d like. Watched a buggy and a CJ flop in this very same spot two weekends later.
Impressive that the soft roader Land Rover made it despite not having real mechanical lockers, whoever was driving was a great driver, the Jeep was the best off road hands down but the driver wasn’t that good😬 not a horrible driver or any, but some people just have the skill and it’s almost impossible to acquire the top level, just like being a top race car driver, did everyone notice how bad the traction control on the Land Rover was and the lack of wheel travel? I’d love to know how hot the LR brakes got😬 they’d probably got brake fade before they even touch the brakes from all that brake actuation when traction was low.
I really like those defenders but man they have no articulation
The land rover is driven BADLY on purpose, just to make the yank tanks look better.
Nope. Not the intention. The fully independent suspension struggles to make these big step climbs. It was very wet at the bottom. This is 3 builds ago. We now run 37’s, remove the rear swaybar, and trick the programming so we get more wheel spin in order to heat up the tires so they’ll grip on these large obstacles. Left side line here is known to chew up ring gears and many many many flops
😊👍👍👍
to much tire pressure maybe?
We ran 15 in the Defender, can’t go any lower on those rims as they pop a bead. 392 we ran 10 psi
I think you guys need more air in your tires lol
Why is each car recorded from a different perspective?
The recordings should be from the same place so that you can see how these cars behave.
It doesn't make sense to record each car from a different perspective.
Who's designing these new "off road" vehicles? doesn't Bronco understand what suspension flex is?
It had more flex than the defender lmao but I guess I’m blind because I seen the bronco flexing
And the new Defender is how MUCH 🤔 $$$ sad.
My old 2008 Discovery 3 4.4 SE V8 would've climbed that with no problem.
It’s crazy tippy and sketch line . Watched a buggy and a built Jeep flop same obstacle a couple weeks later.
New defender rolls 90 mph pulling you 8200 lb boat up the pass with up to 7 passengers. Capable Offroad. Civilized on road. Our V8 110 is on 37’s. Way more articulation since we filmed this on. This is two builds ago…
It's really fun if you spend something like € 60.000 to do that.
Seeing the second video of Defender being rescued by Rubbicon
Give me the Defender, and keep the Bronco and Jeep!
I know this video was mainly about the Defender and the Bronco, but the JL was my favorite by far. The other two are cool, but the Wrangler is still the king.
We ran the 392 on Carnage Canyon Sunday. Will drop a video when we can get edited…
The King has much more competition. I can see I new king crowned very soon.
@@nm-qt2hb we shall see. I think for hardcore rock crawling and technical off-roading, the Wrangler and its solid front axle is still going to rule. I love the 392, but that's way out of budget, and for my uses the Bronco probably more than sufficient. Definitely more capable than my 4Runner.
@@trailrunnah8886
The Four Runner is a great truck. May not be as capable in stock form on some trails,. It's comfort and cargo size will always make it one of the top overland vehicles out there 👍.
Pros and cons for everything. Overall that Toyota is a great Overland choice.
@@trailrunnah8886 the Bronco and 4Runner share very similar characteristics off road👍
It’s surprising so much had to be done to an off road vehicle to be able to off road? 🐴🐴🥌
good eye, you'll notice the bronco took bypasses not wanting their viewers to see it on the winch wire - in real world of wheeling you often cant go around
@@kykynkey7559
A stock Rubicon would not be as capable as the Bronco. Let not lose sight that the Jeep was a very well done modified vehicle.
@@nm-qt2hb respect for defender trying, rubicons keep their wheels on the ground which is key , bronco lifts its wheels even on easy obsticles - this is major comprimise in off roading and in off camber situations as demonstrated by the defender the IFS will leave the bronco in a tip over situation , so no its not superior to the rubicon - its a compromise, the fact you brag about the bronco being not equal but superior to a rubicon is hilarious - thanks for the chuckle
@@kykynkey7559
Only in extreme rock crawling the Jeep will benefit slightly. Again, you are comparing a modified Jeep on 39" tires to a stock factory Bronco.
Over the next few months we will see more and more stock Vs stock Jeep/Bronco out on trails. It will be clear the Bronco is superior.
The solid front axle is no longer the end all set up. Look at every off road racing event. Outside of nostalgia vehicles, most are IFS.
Then consider how terrible the Jeep would be driving to the trail with the oversize tires and lifted suspension. We are talking 1970s Vs modern technology.
@@nm-qt2hb in my original post if I was comparing anything it was the defender on same size tire with less lockers attempting an obstacle the bronco clearly ran ran away from more than once , you keep bringing up the 39 inch tires and rubicon like its your nightmare , the bronco with more hardware wouldnt follow the defended - shame shame bronco, your claiming it to be superior - to be superior you cant hide taking bypasses brother especially with same tire sized rigs on the trail, also - IFS is from the 1960's - its been used on cars for 60+ years - I have come to the conclusion your terrified by large tires and dont even know what your talking about - you probably dont even know ford plays v8 engine sounds inside bronco cab when trying to accelerate - your their perfect customer lol
We're getting closer and closer to the point where batteries outperform diesel motors. As soon as electric competes with diesel we'll see the end of the ICE. That's not happening any time soon...
Jeep is the only off road vehicle there. That Land Rover has the wheel articulation of a tank. Bronco is just meh...
You know is tanks have a lot of gravel right? You ever ride in a tank?
Like if offroading is measured only from articulation point of view
@@alxdava2004 yep 👍🏻
Land Rover has the highest ground clearance.
Ok Jeep fan girl
I'd rather have an older TD5 discovery with a manual gearbox.
You broke the defender on wheeler lake. 🤣🤣🤣. And that poor other bronco had to get winched up. 🤣🤣🤣
🤔. No and no…
@@cotrails8356 so what was the scraping at the end?
@@War_Deadpool yes the Bronco with 35’s and Sasquatch needs more lift… 2” should solve it for most. No winching on the Bronco. It did well in stock form… it will max out on a level 7 trail without substantial mods as does our 4Runner. 4Runnner, Bronco, Defender fairly similar characteristics on trail
Shame TFL never even attempted the V-notch they've been far too quick to dismiss the Bronco over their fanboi Jeep stance.
I do think the Bronco would make it up that line on a dry day with significant belly pan scraping on a dry day. I don’t think it would have been a good call to attempt the Bronco that day, it was so muddy at the base and difficult to get tires cleared off enough…
@@cotrails8356 we'll never know I guess, the moment has past but even an attempt and a reverse out would've been better than no attempt at all. Thanks for the reply.
@@hotwheels100 in the final clip you hear the Bronco excessively scraping belly significantly on a reasonably easy/ smooth rolling rock face. The step up on the other line is substantially larger - at least another foot higher, squared off at the top of the step, and very difficult to get up to start that line. The belly of the Bronco was scraping all day and would maybe have a shot grinding over it on a dry day with signifier pedal input. Keep in mind, I’m a huge fan of all three of these vehicles and we do have a Bronco on order from one of our Ford stores as well…
To much air in your tires
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defender is best
They have no idea of driving the Land Rover with traction control systems, it's a different beast and needs different techniques.
What would you suggest?
@@cotrails8356 I'm not suggesting anything, just curious, if you initiate the rock crawl mode and put it in low gear when you were driving over those rock walls and the defender couldn't do it? There was so much free wheel spinning. I own an RRS with previous generation terrain response system and that was surprising to see.
Bronco fund whell not hit on the ground thats suck ..Jeep Better
the land rover is so stiff and top heavy, it feels im watching an older ford explorer do the rubicon. this is not good stuff. i dont know why you keep sinking money into that thing. you are taking it where it doesnt belong and you have to keep spending more money to try to make it work.
No fun watching that Bronco . Too silent
what engine is in the Def ???
Sounds like a POS
This is Big Bertha - a P400 6 cylinder
Dammit the new Defender is so ugly. 😡
So sorry that you feel that way… we’re sold out into next summer at this point Nationally
Extremely disappointed but not surprised that TFL is too coward to put the Bronco to the test where three Jeeps failed; my guess is daddy wouldn't approve.
I would not have tried it that day either. I think it would make it on a dry day, but would definitely scrape the belly a lot along the way… Big Bertha would have mare it up on a dry day too. We had to really heat up the tires on the 392 before it was able to walk up. The tech on the Bronco and the Defender (very similar if not identical systems) doesn’t really allow you to heat them up appropriately
@@cotrails8356 You give a good explanation of the way it was. Big Bertha looked like it was gaining traction right before the end of the attempt. I kept wanting someone to apply a little weight on the driver side front bumper to help complete the climb.
@@kevincraftsbcs4488 May have been possible. We made a call at the moment to safely winch back down👍
Some of the choices of music were just horrible is my reason for the thumbs down. Music isn't required I'd rather listen to the tires and engine. Thanks
Thank you for your feedback
Land Rover defender huge disappointment. I’m glad I have my old landrover. They make the new stuff look lave for functionality.
Our latest Trophy Edition is on 37’s with a 5” lift and rear swaybar disconnected. Ran every line classic 90’s and 110’s ran in Moab and ran them smoother as well… videos in edit currently👍
@@cotrails8356 please send a link when the video is done.
@@donaldhalvorsen4135 will do
In case you missed it… New Defender on 37’s
th-cam.com/video/RK-vpbMQ85c/w-d-xo.html
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