I like both Adrian and Ron although I don't think Ron would be an easy person to work with (or get on with), but I still consider him one of of the last of the 'old-school' so he gets allowances for that.
@@juancete0107 I've been following F1 since the late 70's and there's no doubt Dennis was inspirational in what drove that success at McLaren in the early to mid to late 80's, but remembering, it was only because of the shit-loads of money that eventuated at the time that cemented that inspiration and once he put the 'team' together (which also had a lot to do with John Barnard) it was really just his marketing and legacy relationships that allowed that success to continue. Then, and as a result of that success, every man and his dog wanted to get on the 'McLaren train'. Dennis definitely was not a good team manager (certainly not of people and not of drivers). That all played out when John Barnard left McLaren for Ferrari in 1986/87, with Steve Nichols also departing 2 years later (to Ferrari). Gordon Murray and Steve Nichols carrying the load after Barnard's departure, with a good stroke of fortune that Neil Oatley having just started at McLaren before Barnard left. I also think it was a slap in the face for Alain Prost who was the 'success' of McLaren in the formative years, only for Ron Dennis to allow that BS to happen with Senna, which of course, resulted in Prost also leaving the team (to Ferrari). it was only by pure fortune that McLaren won the constructors in 1991 (the unreliability of Williams being a key factor), and since winning the 1998 constructors (people forget that McLaren didn't actually win the 1999 constructors, while Hakkinen won the WDC), McLaren have not won a constructors since and while Hamilton won the WDC in 2008, we all know that was Massa's WDC no thanks to the brilliant driving (NOT) of Timo Glock ... how convenient. Dennis also treated Raikkonen like he was expendable, and yet what happened in his first year at Ferrari? And who was pivotal in the 1998/99 success? Adrian Newey ... if it wasn't for Newey joining McLaren in 1997 in another stroke of good fortune, McLaren would have been f#cked (of course, he only ended up at McLaren because of the BS that happened at Williams) and by the end of 2000 Newey already wanted to leave McLaren because of .... you guessed it, Ron Dennis. In conclusion, I liken Ron Dennis to a charismatic politician who had immense inspiration and drive, got a good team on board which also inspired other people to get on the 'train', but really it was the 'team' and continued and timely good fortune that really continued to drive that success, but eventually it was his own demise when people realised just how insular and selfish he was, how stubborn, demanding and non-agreeable he was. When it came to people, he was not dynamic, not changeable, and he simply relied on the same 'play book' as what drove that success in the 80's. How he departed, and was made to depart, McLaren is what's called Karma, and I thought it was hilarious when he found out Alonso would be rejoining McLaren in 2015 and there wasn't a damn thing he could do about it ... remembering, it was because of his pathetic team and driver management that lead to the BS that happened in 2007. I, and many people in F1 (even within McLaren) were glad to see him go ... and in the way he did.
@@thepsychologist8159 they got rid of him because they were obsessed with getting the F1 team back to winning ways. Ron wanted to diversify and they didn’t like it
@@Mpayne1472 Get out of here. Obsessed with getting the team back to winning ways, surely it's not about that! It's because of Dennis why McLaren lost its winning ways. From John Barnard to Adrian Newey, they all quickly came to realise how much of a d!ck he was and took their skills elsewhere. When you say 'diversify', I ask "diversify to what"? No-one wanted to work with him so he would have only be diversifying to second-grade talent.
@@xtrain6015you clearly don’t understand. How Ron left McLaren was a result of the board freezing him out of any decision making for two years. Don’t be so naive.
@Faults Newey was a designer at Williams, not a technician, and therefore it wasn’t him who welded the extended section of the steering column although he did authorise it along with Patrick Head. After 11 years of trials and investigations in Italy, Newey was acquitted and Head was found responsible but this is after 3 trials and no one will ever know the exact cause, as the crash also points to driver error as the cause.
@Faults Listen yea whether it was a mechanical issue or not, Ayrton died because of a impact to the head which was so precise that if it'd hit a inch higher or lower, he'd of walked away from that crash. It wasn't Newey's direct fault.
Renault have offered him a lot of money, and he is interested, so it must be a LOT of money. Makes sense too, an engine he has been working with for years, people in Renault he knows, obviously relationship with Danny, and the chance to bring the 4th best car up to the front.
I disagree. Newey seems a man that likes a challenge and has simply been evolving/refining the RB chassis year over year. Under the right circumstances I'm sure he'd love to go back to McLaren and revamp their design to bring them back into fighting condition. The previous MP(X)-* iterations of McLaren were the best under his design.
And he did design and build some really crap cars (MP4-18 and 19) at McLaren and some while fast and competitive were so unreliable they cost championships.
The cars weren't really his mistake wholly, Mclaren had implemented a complex system of management which reduced newey's power and made him not only uncomfortable but also demotivated him as his ideas were stifled. Furthermore the environment at mclaren was so sterile it reduced his creativity and this reputation lasted for many years.
you forgot the real BAD one! the worst can in the history of f1 GP! the one that killed ayrton senna - the one and only! adrian himself admitted ... he "fucked up the aerodynamics"!
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I like both Adrian and Ron although I don't think Ron would be an easy person to work with (or get on with), but I still consider him one of of the last of the 'old-school' so he gets allowances for that.
"old school". You got that right. That's why they got rid of him.
@@thepsychologist8159 but put mclaren on top step, so being old school isn’t a wrong thing. Ik what he did in his last years.
@@juancete0107 I've been following F1 since the late 70's and there's no doubt Dennis was inspirational in what drove that success at McLaren in the early to mid to late 80's, but remembering, it was only because of the shit-loads of money that eventuated at the time that cemented that inspiration and once he put the 'team' together (which also had a lot to do with John Barnard) it was really just his marketing and legacy relationships that allowed that success to continue. Then, and as a result of that success, every man and his dog wanted to get on the 'McLaren train'. Dennis definitely was not a good team manager (certainly not of people and not of drivers). That all played out when John Barnard left McLaren for Ferrari in 1986/87, with Steve Nichols also departing 2 years later (to Ferrari). Gordon Murray and Steve Nichols carrying the load after Barnard's departure, with a good stroke of fortune that Neil Oatley having just started at McLaren before Barnard left.
I also think it was a slap in the face for Alain Prost who was the 'success' of McLaren in the formative years, only for Ron Dennis to allow that BS to happen with Senna, which of course, resulted in Prost also leaving the team (to Ferrari).
it was only by pure fortune that McLaren won the constructors in 1991 (the unreliability of Williams being a key factor), and since winning the 1998 constructors (people forget that McLaren didn't actually win the 1999 constructors, while Hakkinen won the WDC), McLaren have not won a constructors since and while Hamilton won the WDC in 2008, we all know that was Massa's WDC no thanks to the brilliant driving (NOT) of Timo Glock ... how convenient. Dennis also treated Raikkonen like he was expendable, and yet what happened in his first year at Ferrari? And who was pivotal in the 1998/99 success? Adrian Newey ... if it wasn't for Newey joining McLaren in 1997 in another stroke of good fortune, McLaren would have been f#cked (of course, he only ended up at McLaren because of the BS that happened at Williams) and by the end of 2000 Newey already wanted to leave McLaren because of .... you guessed it, Ron Dennis.
In conclusion, I liken Ron Dennis to a charismatic politician who had immense inspiration and drive, got a good team on board which also inspired other people to get on the 'train', but really it was the 'team' and continued and timely good fortune that really continued to drive that success, but eventually it was his own demise when people realised just how insular and selfish he was, how stubborn, demanding and non-agreeable he was. When it came to people, he was not dynamic, not changeable, and he simply relied on the same 'play book' as what drove that success in the 80's.
How he departed, and was made to depart, McLaren is what's called Karma, and I thought it was hilarious when he found out Alonso would be rejoining McLaren in 2015 and there wasn't a damn thing he could do about it ... remembering, it was because of his pathetic team and driver management that lead to the BS that happened in 2007.
I, and many people in F1 (even within McLaren) were glad to see him go ... and in the way he did.
@@thepsychologist8159 they got rid of him because they were obsessed with getting the F1 team back to winning ways.
Ron wanted to diversify and they didn’t like it
@@Mpayne1472 Get out of here. Obsessed with getting the team back to winning ways, surely it's not about that! It's because of Dennis why McLaren lost its winning ways. From John Barnard to Adrian Newey, they all quickly came to realise how much of a d!ck he was and took their skills elsewhere. When you say 'diversify', I ask "diversify to what"? No-one wanted to work with him so he would have only be diversifying to second-grade talent.
If Ron Dennis saw the current McLaren joke of a team he would flip out
It’s his fault actually
@@xtrain6015 is it his fault aswell that during his era mclaren achieved everything ? Or we leave that out
@@taroken8846 no he was very successful but what he left mclaren as was a joke and there’s no disputing that
Didn’t know he died.
@@xtrain6015you clearly don’t understand. How Ron left McLaren was a result of the board freezing him out of any decision making for two years. Don’t be so naive.
Adrian Newey is a genious. And he's also very funny!
genius*
Davide Accorsi he is responsible for Ayrtons accident ! Genius??? You are f... crazy boot licker
@@justdoit8014 how is he responsible for ayrton's death?
@Faults Newey was a designer at Williams, not a technician, and therefore it wasn’t him who welded the extended section of the steering column although he did authorise it along with Patrick Head. After 11 years of trials and investigations in Italy, Newey was acquitted and Head was found responsible but this is after 3 trials and no one will ever know the exact cause, as the crash also points to driver error as the cause.
@Faults Listen yea whether it was a mechanical issue or not, Ayrton died because of a impact to the head which was so precise that if it'd hit a inch higher or lower, he'd of walked away from that crash. It wasn't Newey's direct fault.
How is published well over a year ago but has comments that are very recent only? I want to see the whole interview.
Brilliant Guy
I wonder what Dennis thinks about his old team at the moment.
Probably wont wanna hop in back even if asked.
Renault have offered him a lot of money, and he is interested, so it must be a LOT of money. Makes sense too, an engine he has been working with for years, people in Renault he knows, obviously relationship with Danny, and the chance to bring the 4th best car up to the front.
I disagree. Newey seems a man that likes a challenge and has simply been evolving/refining the RB chassis year over year. Under the right circumstances I'm sure he'd love to go back to McLaren and revamp their design to bring them back into fighting condition. The previous MP(X)-* iterations of McLaren were the best under his design.
Ron didn’t want to die at his desk
Adrian is the god of aerodynamics.
Colin Chapman might have something to say about that
Well I mean Ron Dennis managed Senna, Prost, Hamilton, Alonso just to mention a few so I think I know what to do
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Her lovely personality shines through
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Um erro de projeto desse sujeito causou a morte de Ayrton Senna
Só não erra quem não trabalha. Foi azar, infelizmente.
Sim, e vc acha que ele se orgulha disso?
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why he ourple
And he did design and build some really crap cars (MP4-18 and 19) at McLaren and some while fast and competitive were so unreliable they cost championships.
Adrian you mean? The unreliable part was the engine so that doesn't count as designing crap cars.
@@helderboymh That is oversimplifying it somewhat. Car and engine are one. Packaging and cooling for example have big effects on engine reliability.
The cars weren't really his mistake wholly, Mclaren had implemented a complex system of management which reduced newey's power and made him not only uncomfortable but also demotivated him as his ideas were stifled. Furthermore the environment at mclaren was so sterile it reduced his creativity and this reputation lasted for many years.
you forgot the real BAD one! the worst can in the history of f1 GP! the one that killed ayrton senna - the one and only! adrian himself admitted ... he "fucked up the aerodynamics"!
@@tiax1592 you are forgetting the cold tyres after the restart, The 3 bumps on the track..,
That was about as interesting as watching paint dry
that's because you are not a F1 fan!