I’ve test rode MT10 not the sp . Bought the ktm close call difference flavours . I’ve done a euro trip on the ktm evo and had clutch problems still rideable home but only just . So reliable is important along way from home .
@@marksmith8663 had a 2017 SD that I rode like a rental car, trading it in after 13k miles. Only issue was an ECU failure code. Disconnected the battery for a few minutes and it went away. I traded it for a 2021 890R Duke. Zero mechanical issues with either, just the same fault, that resets. My wife has a 2022 MT09SP. It’s a fantastic bike, produces the same numbers as my bike but they are different animals. The orange bike is only a few pounds lighter, but feels like a lot less. Believe too many get information from hearsay, not so much real life experience. Most major manufacturers make really good bikes these days.
I love the riding dynamics of KTM, but the well documented reliability niggles are a concern for long term buyers. I prefer riding my motorcycle to getting taxis while my KTM is back at the dealers getting fixed. Again.
I rode a 890 Duke R and the bike was already having mechanical issues. Had to pull over while the other riders went on. Immediately got a USED mt10. Could not be happier
The Super Duke in track mode with traction control set to 1 and the wheelie control OFF is still a very rideable bike but it becomes considerably quicker. The wheelie control etc. does hold the bike back a fair bit. I bought the Evo and don't regret it, because it sets up the proper sags on its own and the bike never, ever feels like it needs attention, it's just ready to go at all times. Theres also the anti-dive which I really like but only on smooth roads, it does make the front fork a little harsher.
I have owned a lot of bikes, almost embarrassingly so. I recently owned a 2019 MT10 and it was an excellent machine but after living with it for a while I started to notice the budget items that began to annoy me. The dodgy cable clutch, ok quality switch gear etc. All acceptable but could have been better. Hopefully this SP model addresses some of that. I ended up buying a 2022 SD Evo, once I addressed ergos, moved the bars back etc. it fit perfectly. I never judge a bike until it has broken in and my body gets used to it and after living with the KTM not only do I think it is a better machine than the MT10 (Non SP) It could be the best motorcycle I have ever owned. I am sure the SP is a great machine but man, no way is it even close to how refined and almost perfect that the KTM is. It's always a matter of opinion but the over ruling factor for me on any machine is simply smile factor and the SD is in a league of its own for that. I am a huge Ducati fan and have 3 but I think the SD trumps them all. I cannot recommend the SD Evo enough!
Wait a minute dear oh dear! The sd tops out in 2nd at 125km/hr or so and the mt10 does exactly than on 1st. On 2nd the mt10 tops at around 150km/hr. So what is the point on doing roll-ons using the same gear on both bikes? This applies to many such comparisons on your videos. Otherwise, very entertaining as usually and thanks a lot for your energy and effort. I am a subscriber since day 1 😊
I purchased the SDR evo, 1000 miles and it’s great to ride on the b road twisties, in fact this is where it should live. It’s not really good for much else, track stuff would be fun. The elephant in the room is the reliability, mine has already thrown up numerous electrical faults and has a failed preloaded which after only 1000 miles is shocking. It’s on its last chance as far as I’m concerned, The dealer said they can fix the constant MTC failure fault and if not it will be going back. After coming from trouble free Yamaha and Honda for the last 5 years my first foray into KTM has not been great. I see KTM are offering 4 yrs warranty now on 2023 bikes which in all honestly you def need if buying one.
I've owned both of these bikes in their standard form (without the electronic suspension). 2023 MT10 is my current bike and benefits from probably the most characterful and dynamic engine ever created. Agree with your verdict re the KTM, think it's absolutely the best all around performing naked, but it's so good, you need to be doing silly speeds for it to make sense. Downside is KTM reliability, hence why I have my second MT10. MT10 suspension is set a fraction hard for the road from the factory, but dialling out is easy and a decent set up can be achieved for road or track. KTM definitely has the most compliant suspension along with the best brakes and lives on UK roads well. I've bough my second MT10 (after stacking up all of the options) because it has that engine and is all day and even touring comfortable (when fitted with comfort seat), handles just about perfectly on the road (and decent if not the best on track), is as fast as anything to 140mph, has typical Japanese reliability and you can have enough spare cash for a year's worth of track days with the money saved against the SDR. Reliability is unfortunately the KTM's sticking point (but they are great when they're working) and from experience, I won't be buying another. Further points relating to the Yamaha comfort seat. First and foremost, it is bloody comfortable but also sits the rider roughly 1.5 inches higher. This improves leg room and also places a tad more weight over the bars, improving front end feel and strangely resulting in a sportier riding position. It's a double whammy and the one MT10 accessory I'd recommend over any other. Cheers.
It was a good read, can you please explain what went wrong with KTM because after spending more than year deciding what bike i am getting, my list was including Ducati SFV4, Ninja ZH2 and MT10 and so far the new 2024 KTM stole my heart, your feedback would really appreciated.
Hi Tim. The KTM is superb when it's all working correctly. I suffered the screen going down, MTC warning lights on a brand new bike where the fault couldn't be diagnosed and which ultimately couldn't be resolved (the dealer swapped the bike). Cables rub and chafe through around the headstock causing further fault codes and finally, the bike would sometimes recognise the fob for the keyless start and other times it wouldn't even when placed against the receiver unit. Conversely, my new Yamaha MT10 has now covered 4k miles since June this year and has been 100%. Put the key in and it starts first time every time, doesn't use oil and has never had a warning light displayed. More fun than the KTM, but possibly because it's not quite as good in a few areas, so you need to be on your game and work a bit harder to get the most out of it. I ride my bikes hard, I'm not a nutter, but they do get properly used and the KTM makes everything so easy. You need to be doing something silly to upset it and the only thing to criticise is the OEM steering damper which appears to have little to no damping at the very initial part of the movement. I think it's mechanically quite solid and most of the issues appear to be electrical. I hear there are some that don't have issues and others become a nightmare, but I can only speak from my personal experience. Hope this helps.
@@Tig-Boy I absolutely appreciate your feedback sir, you helped and made me sure that superduke is what i need, regarding the electrical issues i am gonna pray that the new 1390 is reliable and bulletproof, i just can’t swallow the MT 10 look no matter how good it rides, i hope they change the look in the next upgrade. Thanks a lot fir your feedback.
I had a Gen 1 Gen 2 the newer model is a completely different machine. Yamaha is a great Japanese brand but in person doesn't have the wow appeal. I traded a 2021 MT09 SP in for my current Super Duke. It was a pretty bike but no braded lines brakes i up graded pads. Motor was nice but lacked the torque I was use to from the previous KTM dukes I've owned. Unless you owned a Duke you might not appreciate just how dynamic they are. They are in a league and class of there own. The wow factor is immense looks performance Etc. @@mojoleon2
The main issue I found with owning large capacity,high performance bikes is usability. Unless you do track days,you can’t use even a third of the performance without doing your licence and winding up before the beak or both. Mid-rangers still have very good performance. Insurance and rego are less expensive. A Triumph 750 Speed Triple would do me . I think it exists. I don’t think you can beat the orange,appearance wise. For me the KTM Super Duke wins hands down in terms of looks and performance. The Yamaha looks like it needs to lose some bulk and weight.
The low down grunt on the 1290's is the winner. Powering out of bends without waiting for it to spool up is what gaps people on other bikes. Do that bend after bend and you ease away. Having the instant power and instant shut downof power/engine braking means you have so much control with just the throttle. 👌
I can’t speak for the MT10 but the Superduke is probably the most usable Hypernaked there is. All the crazy grunt is delivered instantly. I got rid of the Tuono 1100factory because it was just too good at getting to triple figures without allowing me to satisfy that urge. I own a Gen 2 Superduke and it’s the best bike I’ve ridden other than the Gen 3.
Coming from the 2020 Tuono the choice was easy peasy - MT-10. It's not a Playboy centerfold bike looks wise, but it beats the KTM hands down IMO. I can't get my head around the origami Mantis look of the KTM. Also, judging by friends bikes it's a coin toss whether you get one that passed quality control, in which case they're quite nice, or a one that didn't and you end up spending your riding season with the bike at the dealer's garage getting fixed half of the time. Also, in Sweden the KTM cost way more to insure which just nails the coffin lid shut. EDIT: And i just plain *will not* pay a penny to get features already on a bike "unlocked" I find that appaling to be honest. Cheers for another nice vid guys!
I have the SDR. No major niggles with it yet. Looks wise I think it looks like a stealth fighter jet, with the angular design. The MT, to me looks like that transformer, Bumblebee.
Pull the forks through the yolks 10mm and turn the bar risers 180 degrees (bars 10mm forward from standard) and the MT feels much better! Fit different risers that lower the bars 10mm from standard as well as 10mm forward from standard and it is better again. As for that special something, it's most likely the Crossplane engine, or the sound at least... It's got the Tuono-esque sound but with reliability...
I have a 2022 MT-10SP as my road bike and a 2020 S1000RR M-Sport as my track bike. I honestly think this is one of the best combos you could get to cover both bases. I don’t know why, but the 10SP is more than the sum of it’s parts. I suspect the sound of the CP4 (with a full system obviously) is the secret ingredient. As for the brakes - all the 10SP needs is a pad upgrade (Brembo SR for me) and proper bleed of the fluid. The Brembo master cylinder and steel braided lines definitely don’t need upgrading - yet another reason to go for the SP over the base model.
Just bought the SDR Evo and it was a choice between this and the MT10 SP. In the end it was the current deals on offer from KTM that swung it. To ride I loved both and both have unique looks. £3000 off and 4.9% APR PCP for KTM verses no real discount and 9.9% APR on Yam. Made the monthly difference significantly in favour of the SDR despite its higher list price
They might be a reason for the discount….thankfully you got it on pcp and can hand it back. They seem to have lots of problems, with at least 2 people having to hand them back due to persisting electrical problems.
I have SD Evo found leaving the suspension in auto on the road . Very quick to change to road surface and speed . Leaving both in auto be a good compromise. As depending on surface and speed will adjust the damping. Brakes are good Wouldn’t say they Instant sharp . Taken it on track once wouldn’t be first choice for a track bike but good fun .
I have watched you for a long time. Just starting to feel you are being careful not to upset the manufacturers. Still good content but a shame its heading like some of the others I used to watch and stopped. But I'm still watching so can't be to bad. Just my personal opinion of course.
Kind of hard to review bikes it you say what the manufacturer doesn’t want to hear, you gotta play the game. The only unbiased reviews are from people who bought the bikes with their own money. Much more trustworthy, they’ll either sing its praises if it’s good or say how crap it is and how unhappy they are. Never take the word of an influencer at face value.
Great review....super fun.....and even better banter. Mind you, I still haven't a clue which one I'd have in the garage, given half the chance! Take care and thanks again for another excellent upload.
Great review. Looks like you had great fun. I've got a Superduke R and I can't stop smiling when I ride it. I've tried a few MT-10's and they didn't really give me the fizz. I'm surprised at Choppsie as you loved your SDR's. I think Greg should take over the channel. 😉
I think a lot of us have recently been torn between these two... I was coming off an S1000RR, so I ended up with the SDR because the twin seemed a nice change from the inline 4. I did shift the handlebars to the rear position on the SDR, it's like a 20mm difference but it feels a lot better. Otherwise I think both bikes are brilliant!
I will say, of all the bikes I've owned, the SDR has gotten the most comments from bystanders. Maybe it's a US thing because KTM street bikes in general here are more rare, but it does feel like a bit of exotica.
I’m a 2020 SDR owner. Only two problems I had (one was my doing) was the gear shifter lever came loose of the shift shaft spline. I put the strongest loktie on it and re-torqued it down… no problems since. Other issue was after I washed the bike, I must have gotten water in the left handlebar button module and the enter button stopped working. $600 for a new one. Lesson… don’t spray water at the handlebar. Enjoy the SDR!
I've always said it, 'There is no such thing as too much power'. I agree with you about the keyless issue, what a stupid idea, I've ridden home loads of times with the key in the back seat slot, luckily it hasn't fallen out yet. Yamaha ergos have always been brilliant, Wales and back in a day from London used to be easy on my old R1, unfortunately KTM have turned up and moved the goalposts. My 1290 R is the most fun bike Ive had. Looking forward to a Rocket 3 R though
I think purely as a sport bike the ktm is better. But as a 1 bike in the garage all rounder, bang for buck and reliability. The 10 is probably the better option
I've owned gen 2 SD and a 2019 MT10, both were awesome and different, but I felt the MT10 was more playful and fun, even though it's less powerful than the KTM.
Love this review. I’ve owned a Gen 1 KTM super duke R. Incredible bike. The 3rd gen must be amazing. However, I’m with chopsy here. Something about the yamaha MT10, I just want one. Previous to the KTM I had multi R1’s over the years, and that CP4 engine is an amazing engine. Put that Yamaha CP4 in a naked street fighter type bike, with more focus on mid range power and torque and you have an incredibly delicious recipe. MT10 is my next bike.
In 2022 I purchased the KTM SD-R EVO, before I could ride off the dealers lot it threw a code and locked out the suspension adjustment. At about 500 miles it threw an MTC Failure code and went into limp home mode. After getting it back the second time from the dealer it made it exactly 62 miles and threw another MTC Failure code. The dealer, even with the factory rep helping, couldn’t find the problem. I cut my losses and got rid of it at that point. Such a disappointment. After 7 year of owing more than a couple of KTM’s, I’m fed up with their electronic gremlins, dash units that “cloud up and rain” internally, and the need to shut the key off multiple times during a ride to “reset” something that has stopped working. Brilliant engaging engines, fabulous handling, and total crap electronics. No more KTM’s for me.
All you need is a servo eliminator and no more MTC failures (of course you shouldn’t have too but it is what it is) Most preload issues happen by not letting the electronics cycle fully before starting.
@@daveo9844 HaHaHa ! Servo eliminator would void the warranty, it was less than a month old, and the factory rep nor the dealership would touch it for any other problems after that…..yes I asked. And I know enough about the “System Self Check” that takes place and required waiting when first switching on, a procedure I followed religiously on all my bikes and cars. Face the facts…..KTM electronics are crap.
A lot of amazing videos coming out from Lambchops lately, keep if up Chopsy! You and Greg, a combo which made this channel even better than it was. I remember when the MT-10 first came out 2016, back then reviewers barely had it in videos when they compared super/hyper nakeds, they did not even count the MT-10 as a super/hypernaked. It is a whole other story today, today the MT-10 is competing with the best. I actually chose the MT-10 over the Super Duke 2019 when I bought the MT-10. If only the MT-10 had a more aggressive riding position I would love it to death, such an amazing bike and it has the best sound together with the Tuono V4 compared to all other bikes
@mathias6423 You again! I agree dude they should make the mt10sp more aggressive like they do with m1000r compared to s1000r from bmw. Imagine if the mt10sp had those lower bars and maybe a little more power in the engine like the m1000r. then the mt10sp would be my dreambike.
@@anderssvensson1815 Yeah, I love the BMW M1000R. For me it has the best riding position out of every naked bike out there, also the top end is INSANE. Yeah that kind of riding position on the MT-10 would be something else man
Currently own an SDR, and after replacing the radiator, clutch cover gasket, oil temp sensor, tail light and disc rotors… I’m done… great fun bike, but the ownership experience is not what I’d expected. Yamaha MT10SP on order and arriving Monday.
While I would choose the Suzuki GSX-S1000 over the Yamaha simply because it looks that much better and it costs about $3k less. I would take the Yamaha all day over the KTM, and I absolutely LOVE the KTM, it’s looks like it means business, because I do NOT TRUST a KTM for anything! I know the Yamaha will be all that power and fun and will start and run every time! The KTM??? 🤷🏻♂️. I just can’t drop that kind of coin on a bike I’m not sure of. If money were no object however, I’ll take a Super Duke PLEASE!!
Hi Chopsy. . Was wondering. .you've done reviews of various super nakeds now. I'd be fascinated if you were to review an expensive super naked like an MT10 / superduke with a v good but cheaper naked like the triumph street triple 765RS etc. Is the triumph better value for money and effectively just as good on the road etc . . Thoughts? Cheers
This would be a great comparison - how about it @lambchoprides? There must be quite a few of us trying to decide whether or not we need supernaked power on the road or if it's a more engaging experience to extract the full performance more of the time from a good middleweight naked?
Awesome video ! Can't wait for the 1250rs vs mandello. Would love to hear how you'd rank the super nakeds in order of which you'd most want to own. The KTM, Ducati, triumph, Yamaha, Aprilia
What a pair of beauties, Chopsy and Gregorio 😁Great review and two very well thought out and put together bikes which is why its hard to separate them! Both are great road bikes and I love the look of them. Maybe the SDR wins it for me as it's a little bit more radical looking and extreme in its styling. MT10 is beautifully finished and lovely paint job. Both have soul too! Can't go wrong with either I say! 😅
I understand the weight of this decision on Chop's face! I think it means that if you're serious about performance nakeds then you definitely need to own both of these amazing bikes at some stage - Both somehow quite different but at the same time both also undeniably brilliant great fun big power rides - But be warned that they do complicate a motorcyclists life - Because they're both so good that if/when you ever sell thse bikes, you will probably always have that little voice in the back of your head that (rightly) tells you that buying another one would be a great idea!
Great comparison. No real winner from you guys but I'd say the MT10 is the better road bike and the SD the better track bike. Buy whichever fits your needs and you won't be disappointed. I know what Chopsie means when he says he can't put his finger on why he likes the Yam so much I get the same feeling. It just seems so right for road riding and never fails to put a smile on your face whether you're cruising or pushing on.
The SDR is still "The Beast" but IMO it's not the king. The MT-10 SP does everything, I've had mine for almost a year and it's done everything exceptionally. 10k miles in 1 year says it all :D
The roll races cannot be compared by gear, not with these two bikes. You simply have to ride each bike in whatever RPM/gear which is most optimal to start a race at the chosen speed. Max thrust at any speed is achieved very differently between these two engines, but the point is to compare MAX THRUST, not some arbitrary gear which is very different between the two transmissions in the first place.
Hate to tell you, with over 100tq that Super Duke is always going to walk away unless you're two gears different, and on the top end it might not rush but by that point you're a bus length ahead anyway.
Hi lamb chop, i have just bought an mt10sp, previous bike mt09sp. I did consider a ktm, but i think the yamaha will be just more reliable. My mt09sp, tuned and remapped, i s a complete hoot to ride, i sold it to my mate Liam. See you at weymouth bike night! I live just off the coast road, great video!
If ever possible, can you do a review with the Kawasaki Concourse & Yamaha FJR, and compare them with the new sport tourers of today & see if they are still relevant.
I think subconsciously you’re enjoying the MT10 more for it’s ease and comfort as you get a bit older chopsy.. not that there’s anything wrong with that 😁
Fair play Chopsy, your production values are just getting better and better. I think that you're probably the best out there now. As a presenting team, you and Greg are great, it just works! I tried out a 1st gen SD back in the day, it was a revelation to me, being a youngish, new rider at the time. These days I ride a R1200R, the model preceding the 1250, same shape, etc. Obviously, it falls into the 'capable' category, not the 'super-fast' category. So, last week, I tried out the current SD. I went up the road crying in fits of laughter...honestly, it was too much for me. I gave it back to the Saleslady, I said "I love it, but there's no point in a follow-up phone call"🤣 Great work gents, thanks again👍
98% of bikes look nice when they are in your driveway/garage. I have intentionally bought polarising bikes over the years, and everytime I have given it a spray down I can't help but just look at them, prideful in my purchasing decision.
SDR for me though slightly concerned that two TH-camrs gave up on them and handed them back because they were so unreliable. One swapped it for the BMW XR and the other for the MT10. I do agree the mT10 looks better in the flesh. Another great comparison video guys.
Exactly. This is the trouble when vloggers are on brand new machines they didn't pay for and only have for a week or two....they can not judge the reliability.
Went for the ktm 4months ago done over 2000miles great bike when no glitches unfortunately I get mtc failure on a regular basis and front brake light switch warning shame because there awesome,tried all fixes ie battery/servo cables if I turn ignition on and off 3 times everything goes back to normal but not for long
The problem is the mt's are SO strangled running pathetically lean to pass emissions standards, at least here in the US. A simple $300 "flash" or ecu tuning TOTALLY transforms these bikes into a different machine. Not only considerably more power but fuel mapping alone takes all the "snatchyness" out of the throttle, even in the most aggressive mode. However, Japanese are making it more difficult to alter ecu's as each year goes on. Just buy a regular 1st gen. For well under $1000 you can have yourself a true 150whp super fun bike to ride👍
What a surprising result, Chopsie! :-) Great review. I owned a manual suspension version of the SD...nice bike, but I really didn't like the riding position and I found the suspension harsh. Rode a mate's MT10SP and was very impressed. Really comfortable, and, being a Yamaha it will start every time.... A 10SP with Brembos and a full system would be great.
Just an observation, when people talk about ‘low down torque’, ‘mid range’ and ‘throttle response’… these are more a function of throttle mapping and gearing than any advantage/disadvantage of a 4 cyl, triple, V twin or V4…. A good tuner can make any feel how you prefer.
Not true, the big pistons of that vtwin produce more torque than the smaller pistons of the I4. There are other factors but the point is the same, it's NOT just mapping.
I’d really like to ride an MT-10. I tried. In about 2016 I asked a Yamaha salesman to work me up a deal to trade my FJ-09 for an FZ-10. He never got back to me, so I went down the other street and bought a 2017 SDR. I’m now on my second, this EVO, and I don’t plan to look back. The Yamaha is probably more reliable though. My EVO is currently in the shop with a “preload failure” error. 😅😂 I don’t mind. It’s massively entertaining and I don’t like riding it in the winter anyway. Cold, greasy roads do not suit the massive torque and braking capabilities of this machine. It’s just not that fun tiptoeing around. Good time to ride other bikes and wait for warmer asphalt.
My current bike is 2022 MT09sp and I love it, the only thing I want is a little bit more power so I can hang out with the big bikes, now I do love both bikes but from your video I think my next bike would be the MT10sp The only thing I don't like is the front end, does it look better in person?
I’d pick the KTM Superduke everyday and twice on a Sunday. The MT10SP is a fantastic bike but doesn’t quite match up to the Superduke. That’s coming from a Yamaha MT fanboy. Love both these bikes and they are both my absolute favourite bikes but choosing the Superduke is an easy pick.
I'd go for the MT10SP cus of the peace of mind it gives me. I dont have to worry about shit breaking all the time with a Yamaha. Far to many report alot of issues with the KTM SDs.. In fact I will probably swap my MT09 for a MT10SP for next season.
Screw the looks, these bikes ignite one inside, and that's what riding is about for me. I would take both these bikes any day of the week. I have a 2023 MT10 and I am blown away everytime I ride it
Super video, as always a very nice comparison between these two mighty machines , please could you do a comparison between a multistrada V4S and V4S pikes peak please ?
I'm getting old but buying the right bike is more than what the specs are and hands down the superduke has it. But the MT-10 SP is a classy beast, she's just so classy looking. It's like if Triumph was going for that cyberpunk design language I think this is what I would expect to see. Quite often we're spending a lot of time getting to our favorite roads and the one that punishes you the least getting there and still puts a smile on your face... and you can admire how classy the bike looks just parked wherever she is. That's a pretty special bike.
Had 2 r1's got to 59 then thought shoulders aching back ache when i did 200 mile run px my R1 a comfortable harley had no problems with it ,suspension shit , going to px it for the 24 MT-10 SP ,looks the job for me
As a person who dislikes computers and the electrical gremlins they inevitably bring I do appreciate how refined these new bikes are. They ride so effortlessly and are so easy to go fast on but as I age and being the fastest on the latest and greatest machine becomes less valuable to me I have returned to the analog bikes for the riding experience they provide hairy warts and all as they actually require something of the rider and it seems more fulfilling.
As an MT10 owner, I cannot disagree with your opinion. All you need is the comfort seat and the screen. Superb bike.
Own the MT, ride the KTM. The KTM is everything a HyperNaked is, the MT is what it is, plus the Japanese reliability.
Reliability means a lot IMO
I’ve test rode MT10 not the sp . Bought the ktm close call difference flavours . I’ve done a euro trip on the ktm evo and had clutch problems still rideable home but only just . So reliable is important along way from home .
@@marksmith8663 had a 2017 SD that I rode like a rental car, trading it in after 13k miles. Only issue was an ECU failure code. Disconnected the battery for a few minutes and it went away. I traded it for a 2021 890R Duke. Zero mechanical issues with either, just the same fault, that resets. My wife has a 2022 MT09SP. It’s a fantastic bike, produces the same numbers as my bike but they are different animals. The orange bike is only a few pounds lighter, but feels like a lot less. Believe too many get information from hearsay, not so much real life experience. Most major manufacturers make really good bikes these days.
@@marksmith8663had enough of all the problems with my gen 3 superduke I got rid of it, shame tho as it was a fucking riot to ride
@@Scoodee17I have a 2018 SD and hate the damn thing, you touch it and it’s broken.
I will take japanese reliability after owning a couple of KTM super dukes, I now have had a MT10 for over 2 years which has had no issues.
I test rode a 2023 MT10 today. Incredible bike, very comfortable. Love the geometry.
I love the riding dynamics of KTM, but the well documented reliability niggles are a concern for long term buyers. I prefer riding my motorcycle to getting taxis while my KTM is back at the dealers getting fixed. Again.
Yeah the dealers had my superduke more then I did 😩
I rode a 890 Duke R and the bike was already having mechanical issues. Had to pull over while the other riders went on. Immediately got a USED mt10. Could not be happier
The Super Duke in track mode with traction control set to 1 and the wheelie control OFF is still a very rideable bike but it becomes considerably quicker. The wheelie control etc. does hold the bike back a fair bit. I bought the Evo and don't regret it, because it sets up the proper sags on its own and the bike never, ever feels like it needs attention, it's just ready to go at all times. Theres also the anti-dive which I really like but only on smooth roads, it does make the front fork a little harsher.
I have owned a lot of bikes, almost embarrassingly so. I recently owned a 2019 MT10 and it was an excellent machine but after living with it for a while I started to notice the budget items that began to annoy me. The dodgy cable clutch, ok quality switch gear etc. All acceptable but could have been better. Hopefully this SP model addresses some of that. I ended up buying a 2022 SD Evo, once I addressed ergos, moved the bars back etc. it fit perfectly. I never judge a bike until it has broken in and my body gets used to it and after living with the KTM not only do I think it is a better machine than the MT10 (Non SP) It could be the best motorcycle I have ever owned. I am sure the SP is a great machine but man, no way is it even close to how refined and almost perfect that the KTM is. It's always a matter of opinion but the over ruling factor for me on any machine is simply smile factor and the SD is in a league of its own for that. I am a huge Ducati fan and have 3 but I think the SD trumps them all. I cannot recommend the SD Evo enough!
Wait a minute dear oh dear! The sd tops out in 2nd at 125km/hr or so and the mt10 does exactly than on 1st. On 2nd the mt10 tops at around 150km/hr. So what is the point on doing roll-ons using the same gear on both bikes? This applies to many such comparisons on your videos. Otherwise, very entertaining as usually and thanks a lot for your energy and effort. I am a subscriber since day 1 😊
Another great comparison vid guys, very entertaining. Can't go wrong with either but also can't underestimate the Yamaha's bulletproof build quality.
I purchased the SDR evo, 1000 miles and it’s great to ride on the b road twisties, in fact this is where it should live. It’s not really good for much else, track stuff would be fun.
The elephant in the room is the reliability, mine has already thrown up numerous electrical faults and has a failed preloaded which after only 1000 miles is shocking. It’s on its last chance as far as I’m concerned, The dealer said they can fix the constant MTC failure fault and if not it will be going back.
After coming from trouble free Yamaha and Honda for the last 5 years my first foray into KTM has not been great. I see KTM are offering 4 yrs warranty now on 2023 bikes which in all honestly you def need if buying one.
Yamaha all day long. I could not handle the continued KTM issues.
I've owned both of these bikes in their standard form (without the electronic suspension). 2023 MT10 is my current bike and benefits from probably the most characterful and dynamic engine ever created. Agree with your verdict re the KTM, think it's absolutely the best all around performing naked, but it's so good, you need to be doing silly speeds for it to make sense. Downside is KTM reliability, hence why I have my second MT10.
MT10 suspension is set a fraction hard for the road from the factory, but dialling out is easy and a decent set up can be achieved for road or track. KTM definitely has the most compliant suspension along with the best brakes and lives on UK roads well. I've bough my second MT10 (after stacking up all of the options) because it has that engine and is all day and even touring comfortable (when fitted with comfort seat), handles just about perfectly on the road (and decent if not the best on track), is as fast as anything to 140mph, has typical Japanese reliability and you can have enough spare cash for a year's worth of track days with the money saved against the SDR. Reliability is unfortunately the KTM's sticking point (but they are great when they're working) and from experience, I won't be buying another. Further points relating to the Yamaha comfort seat. First and foremost, it is bloody comfortable but also sits the rider roughly 1.5 inches higher. This improves leg room and also places a tad more weight over the bars, improving front end feel and strangely resulting in a sportier riding position. It's a double whammy and the one MT10 accessory I'd recommend over any other. Cheers.
It was a good read, can you please explain what went wrong with KTM because after spending more than year deciding what bike i am getting, my list was including Ducati SFV4, Ninja ZH2 and MT10 and so far the new 2024 KTM stole my heart, your feedback would really appreciated.
Hi Tim. The KTM is superb when it's all working correctly. I suffered the screen going down, MTC warning lights on a brand new bike where the fault couldn't be diagnosed and which ultimately couldn't be resolved (the dealer swapped the bike). Cables rub and chafe through around the headstock causing further fault codes and finally, the bike would sometimes recognise the fob for the keyless start and other times it wouldn't even when placed against the receiver unit. Conversely, my new Yamaha MT10 has now covered 4k miles since June this year and has been 100%. Put the key in and it starts first time every time, doesn't use oil and has never had a warning light displayed. More fun than the KTM, but possibly because it's not quite as good in a few areas, so you need to be on your game and work a bit harder to get the most out of it. I ride my bikes hard, I'm not a nutter, but they do get properly used and the KTM makes everything so easy. You need to be doing something silly to upset it and the only thing to criticise is the OEM steering damper which appears to have little to no damping at the very initial part of the movement. I think it's mechanically quite solid and most of the issues appear to be electrical. I hear there are some that don't have issues and others become a nightmare, but I can only speak from my personal experience. Hope this helps.
@@Tig-Boy I absolutely appreciate your feedback sir, you helped and made me sure that superduke is what i need, regarding the electrical issues i am gonna pray that the new 1390 is reliable and bulletproof, i just can’t swallow the MT 10 look no matter how good it rides, i hope they change the look in the next upgrade.
Thanks a lot fir your feedback.
I got the SDR and dont think there is anything i would want to swap it for, its amazing
Agree ! I think its the best bike Ive ever owned. I have a 2023
Same here ! ;P@@ScottyRocket222
I know. Where do you possibly go from here? 9 years in and I still don't see anything better.
I had a Gen 1 Gen 2 the newer model is a completely different machine. Yamaha is a great Japanese brand but in person doesn't have the wow appeal. I traded a 2021 MT09 SP in for my current Super Duke. It was a pretty bike but no braded lines brakes i up graded pads. Motor was nice but lacked the torque I was use to from the previous KTM dukes I've owned. Unless you owned a Duke you might not appreciate just how dynamic they are. They are in a league and class of there own. The wow factor is immense looks performance Etc. @@mojoleon2
@@nicholaskemp2451 Possibly the new 1390 evo😁
The main issue I found with owning large capacity,high performance bikes is usability.
Unless you do track days,you can’t use even a third of the performance without doing your licence and winding up before the beak or both.
Mid-rangers still have very good performance. Insurance and rego are less expensive.
A Triumph 750 Speed Triple would do me . I think it exists.
I don’t think you can beat the orange,appearance wise.
For me the KTM Super Duke wins hands down in terms of looks and performance. The Yamaha looks like it needs to lose some bulk and weight.
The low down grunt on the 1290's is the winner. Powering out of bends without waiting for it to spool up is what gaps people on other bikes. Do that bend after bend and you ease away. Having the instant power and instant shut downof power/engine braking means you have so much control with just the throttle. 👌
I can’t speak for the MT10 but the Superduke is probably the most usable Hypernaked there is.
All the crazy grunt is delivered instantly.
I got rid of the Tuono 1100factory because it was just too good at getting to triple figures without allowing me to satisfy that urge.
I own a Gen 2 Superduke and it’s the best bike I’ve ridden other than the Gen 3.
@@scottyuk Absolutely! It’s like nothing else out there.
Coming from the 2020 Tuono the choice was easy peasy - MT-10.
It's not a Playboy centerfold bike looks wise, but it beats the KTM hands down IMO. I can't get my head around the origami Mantis look of the KTM. Also, judging by friends bikes it's a coin toss whether you get one that passed quality control, in which case they're quite nice, or a one that didn't and you end up spending your riding season with the bike at the dealer's garage getting fixed half of the time.
Also, in Sweden the KTM cost way more to insure which just nails the coffin lid shut.
EDIT: And i just plain *will not* pay a penny to get features already on a bike "unlocked" I find that appaling to be honest.
Cheers for another nice vid guys!
😂 and the KTM now comes with 4 year warranty.
@@Steve-motorcycles That's good, you'll need it! 🙂
@@Larry_Mott 🤪🃏
I have the SDR. No major niggles with it yet. Looks wise I think it looks like a stealth fighter jet, with the angular design. The MT, to me looks like that transformer, Bumblebee.
Great video. That MT-10 SP is an awesome bike and would be more reliable to live with.
But clearly nowhere near as awesome!
@@h2489-m2lno, much better. Because it is great now and in 10 years from now when the KTM will be a pile of crap.
@cp4512 agreed
Pull the forks through the yolks 10mm and turn the bar risers 180 degrees (bars 10mm forward from standard) and the MT feels much better! Fit different risers that lower the bars 10mm from standard as well as 10mm forward from standard and it is better again. As for that special something, it's most likely the Crossplane engine, or the sound at least... It's got the Tuono-esque sound but with reliability...
Great tips 👍
You guys work well together,great banter between you..hope to see more of the same soon
I have a 2022 MT-10SP as my road bike and a 2020 S1000RR M-Sport as my track bike. I honestly think this is one of the best combos you could get to cover both bases. I don’t know why, but the 10SP is more than the sum of it’s parts. I suspect the sound of the CP4 (with a full system obviously) is the secret ingredient. As for the brakes - all the 10SP needs is a pad upgrade (Brembo SR for me) and proper bleed of the fluid. The Brembo master cylinder and steel braided lines definitely don’t need upgrading - yet another reason to go for the SP over the base model.
Just bought the SDR Evo and it was a choice between this and the MT10 SP. In the end it was the current deals on offer from KTM that swung it. To ride I loved both and both have unique looks. £3000 off and 4.9% APR PCP for KTM verses no real discount and 9.9% APR on Yam. Made the monthly difference significantly in favour of the SDR despite its higher list price
They might be a reason for the discount….thankfully you got it on pcp and can hand it back. They seem to have lots of problems, with at least 2 people having to hand them back due to persisting electrical problems.
@@alrightdave6135 this is my 3rd KTM and previous 2 were fine. Discounting as new 1390 coming next year
Also now comes with 4 year warranty
@@alrightdave6135 I have a 2015 1290 SDR and it has never been in the shop for nothing more than general maintenance.
@@alrightdave6135 and the 4 year warranty
Always entertaining Chopsy👍 Did love Greg's comment about the mt10's display looking like you're looking at it with binoculars around the wrong way 😂
I agree, too small.
I'm quite curious how the ZH2 would compare to these bikes. Any plans of taking the newer ones for a spin ?
I have SD Evo found leaving the suspension in auto on the road . Very quick to change to road surface and speed . Leaving both in auto be a good compromise. As
depending on surface and speed will adjust the damping.
Brakes are good
Wouldn’t say they Instant sharp . Taken it on track once wouldn’t be first choice for a track bike but good fun .
I have watched you for a long time.
Just starting to feel you are being careful not to upset the manufacturers.
Still good content but a shame its heading like some of the others I used to watch and stopped.
But I'm still watching so can't be to bad.
Just my personal opinion of course.
Kind of hard to review bikes it you say what the manufacturer doesn’t want to hear, you gotta play the game.
The only unbiased reviews are from people who bought the bikes with their own money. Much more trustworthy, they’ll either sing its praises if it’s good or say how crap it is and how unhappy they are.
Never take the word of an influencer at face value.
Great review....super fun.....and even better banter. Mind you, I still haven't a clue which one I'd have in the garage, given half the chance! Take care and thanks again for another excellent upload.
Great review. Looks like you had great fun. I've got a Superduke R and I can't stop smiling when I ride it. I've tried a few MT-10's and they didn't really give me the fizz. I'm surprised at Choppsie as you loved your SDR's. I think Greg should take over the channel. 😉
I think a lot of us have recently been torn between these two... I was coming off an S1000RR, so I ended up with the SDR because the twin seemed a nice change from the inline 4. I did shift the handlebars to the rear position on the SDR, it's like a 20mm difference but it feels a lot better. Otherwise I think both bikes are brilliant!
I will say, of all the bikes I've owned, the SDR has gotten the most comments from bystanders. Maybe it's a US thing because KTM street bikes in general here are more rare, but it does feel like a bit of exotica.
I made a similar move to you. RR - SDR and have no regrets. SDR is such a good bike so hopefully the reliability is good also.
I’m a 2020 SDR owner. Only two problems I had (one was my doing) was the gear shifter lever came loose of the shift shaft spline. I put the strongest loktie on it and re-torqued it down… no problems since. Other issue was after I washed the bike, I must have gotten water in the left handlebar button module and the enter button stopped working. $600 for a new one. Lesson… don’t spray water at the handlebar.
Enjoy the SDR!
@@kmfizI also had the switch gear issue common fault apparently.
I also come from an S1000rr 😂
@@knaussgy Were you able to fix it?
Thank you to both of you. :)
I've always said it, 'There is no such thing as too much power'. I agree with you about the keyless issue, what a stupid idea, I've ridden home loads of times with the key in the back seat slot, luckily it hasn't fallen out yet. Yamaha ergos have always been brilliant, Wales and back in a day from London used to be easy on my old R1, unfortunately KTM have turned up and moved the goalposts. My 1290 R is the most fun bike Ive had. Looking forward to a Rocket 3 R though
The sound of the MT10 is enough reason to choose it over the ktm
The fact that it's a big V-Twin with more performance would swing me to the Super Duke every time. Although I'm still on the 2018.
I'm still in love with my 14. I reckon Japan started losing its way about 2010ish.
Come on Chopsy - I've just bought an SDR on your recommendation! Now you're telling me it should've been an MT10SP, ffs 😂
Haha both brilliant! 😂👍
I think purely as a sport bike the ktm is better. But as a 1 bike in the garage all rounder, bang for buck and reliability. The 10 is probably the better option
Engineer: I’ve got idea. Let’s put a little slot to keep the key in, in the middle of the dash.
Other engineers: faaarkkk off that’ll never catch on.
Just dropping a comment here to say I love content like this. Keep it up Chopsy.
Glad you enjoy it! 👍
I've owned gen 2 SD and a 2019 MT10, both were awesome and different, but I felt the MT10 was more playful and fun, even though it's less powerful than the KTM.
Love this review. I’ve owned a Gen 1 KTM super duke R. Incredible bike. The 3rd gen must be amazing. However, I’m with chopsy here. Something about the yamaha MT10, I just want one. Previous to the KTM I had multi R1’s over the years, and that CP4 engine is an amazing engine. Put that Yamaha CP4 in a naked street fighter type bike, with more focus on mid range power and torque and you have an incredibly delicious recipe. MT10 is my next bike.
I've owned a 2018 MT10 and now a 2022 MT10 SP. I have demo'd the Evo, it was a really nice bike, but I didn't like how the KTM felt at higher speed.
In 2022 I purchased the KTM SD-R EVO, before I could ride off the dealers lot it threw a code and locked out the suspension adjustment. At about 500 miles it threw an MTC Failure code and went into limp home mode. After getting it back the second time from the dealer it made it exactly 62 miles and threw another MTC Failure code. The dealer, even with the factory rep helping, couldn’t find the problem. I cut my losses and got rid of it at that point. Such a disappointment. After 7 year of owing more than a couple of KTM’s, I’m fed up with their electronic gremlins, dash units that “cloud up and rain” internally, and the need to shut the key off multiple times during a ride to “reset” something that has stopped working. Brilliant engaging engines, fabulous handling, and total crap electronics. No more KTM’s for me.
All you need is a servo eliminator and no more MTC failures (of course you shouldn’t have too but it is what it is) Most preload issues happen by not letting the electronics cycle fully before starting.
@@daveo9844 HaHaHa ! Servo eliminator would void the warranty, it was less than a month old, and the factory rep nor the dealership would touch it for any other problems after that…..yes I asked. And I know enough about the “System Self Check” that takes place and required waiting when first switching on, a procedure I followed religiously on all my bikes and cars. Face the facts…..KTM electronics are crap.
I changed a lot of bike and the sdr is the best bike to ride around the Alps. I love this bike. Try to believe
A lot of amazing videos coming out from Lambchops lately, keep if up Chopsy! You and Greg, a combo which made this channel even better than it was.
I remember when the MT-10 first came out 2016, back then reviewers barely had it in videos when they compared super/hyper nakeds, they did not even count the MT-10 as a super/hypernaked.
It is a whole other story today, today the MT-10 is competing with the best.
I actually chose the MT-10 over the Super Duke 2019 when I bought the MT-10. If only the MT-10 had a more aggressive riding position I would love it to death, such an amazing bike and it has the best sound together with the Tuono V4 compared to all other bikes
Thanks buddy 👍
@mathias6423 You again! I agree dude they should make the mt10sp more aggressive like they do with m1000r compared to s1000r from bmw. Imagine if the mt10sp had those lower bars and maybe a little more power in the engine like the m1000r. then the mt10sp would be my dreambike.
@@anderssvensson1815 Yeah, I love the BMW M1000R. For me it has the best riding position out of every naked bike out there, also the top end is INSANE. Yeah that kind of riding position on the MT-10 would be something else man
Great stuff! Great communication, great detailed info and the “fun” aspect gets through the screen.
Great formula Chopsy, enjoy hearing two knowledgeable guys chatting about something they clearly love.
Glad you enjoyed it! 😁👍
Love your videos and reviews please let me know How do you get your audio so Crisp?
Great video as usual. What about a mt10 vs s1000r?. I know that you have a fondness for both. I think it would be a good comparison.
That MT-10 SP looked glorious.
There's nothing wrong with the look of KTMs... if Fisher-Price is your thing!
It looked bulbous up front and flat in the rear. The KTM looks like an angry ant.
@@ChloeV-c3d I see that, too. The KTM appears as though they tasked somebody there on work experience to copy the shape of the Triumph Speed Triple.
@@sambagogo777 Funny that, I thought the yamaha looked like a decade old transformer toy, didn't fischer price make those too?
@@EMFRocks Nope, that was Hasbro and Takara.
The MT10 looks very dated and somewhat mt07ish to me compared to the aggressive nature that belies the KTM @@sambagogo777
Currently own an SDR, and after replacing the radiator, clutch cover gasket, oil temp sensor, tail light and disc rotors… I’m done… great fun bike, but the ownership experience is not what I’d expected.
Yamaha MT10SP on order and arriving Monday.
Another great team review much appreciated. I agree with chops the MT10 has a playful X factor which swings it
Touring on the MT10 is another great factor for it. I have had both and on long tours MT10 everyday. There both brilliant though .
what do you have now?
While I would choose the Suzuki GSX-S1000 over the Yamaha simply because it looks that much better and it costs about $3k less. I would take the Yamaha all day over the KTM, and I absolutely LOVE the KTM, it’s looks like it means business, because I do NOT TRUST a KTM for anything! I know the Yamaha will be all that power and fun and will start and run every time! The KTM??? 🤷🏻♂️. I just can’t drop that kind of coin on a bike I’m not sure of. If money were no object however, I’ll take a Super Duke PLEASE!!
Ah, I've been waiting for this one!
Thumbs up even before I start watching 👍
Good man 😁👍
I wish the superduke came with a faring, similar to the gsx s1000f, i want that power and i want the position, but i also want the wind protection!
Hi Chopsy. . Was wondering. .you've done reviews of various super nakeds now. I'd be fascinated if you were to review an expensive super naked like an MT10 / superduke with a v good but cheaper naked like the triumph street triple 765RS etc. Is the triumph better value for money and effectively just as good on the road etc . . Thoughts? Cheers
This would be a great comparison - how about it @lambchoprides? There must be quite a few of us trying to decide whether or not we need supernaked power on the road or if it's a more engaging experience to extract the full performance more of the time from a good middleweight naked?
As soon as I saw this come up on TH-cam I ran to the kettle to make my self a brew then got comfy! Cracking vid lads 😀🏍️🤟🏴
Hope you enjoy! 😁👍
Love the comparison reviews. Keep them coming.
Awesome video ! Can't wait for the 1250rs vs mandello. Would love to hear how you'd rank the super nakeds in order of which you'd most want to own. The KTM, Ducati, triumph, Yamaha, Aprilia
What a pair of beauties, Chopsy and Gregorio 😁Great review and two very well thought out and put together bikes which is why its hard to separate them! Both are great road bikes and I love the look of them. Maybe the SDR wins it for me as it's a little bit more radical looking and extreme in its styling. MT10 is beautifully finished and lovely paint job. Both have soul too! Can't go wrong with either I say! 😅
I understand the weight of this decision on Chop's face! I think it means that if you're serious about performance nakeds then you definitely need to own both of these amazing bikes at some stage - Both somehow quite different but at the same time both also undeniably brilliant great fun big power rides - But be warned that they do complicate a motorcyclists life - Because they're both so good that if/when you ever sell thse bikes, you will probably always have that little voice in the back of your head that (rightly) tells you that buying another one would be a great idea!
Great comparison. No real winner from you guys but I'd say the MT10 is the better road bike and the SD the better track bike. Buy whichever fits your needs and you won't be disappointed. I know what Chopsie means when he says he can't put his finger on why he likes the Yam so much I get the same feeling. It just seems so right for road riding and never fails to put a smile on your face whether you're cruising or pushing on.
Glad it's not just me Steve 👍
The SDR is still "The Beast" but IMO it's not the king. The MT-10 SP does everything, I've had mine for almost a year and it's done everything exceptionally. 10k miles in 1 year says it all :D
The roll races cannot be compared by gear, not with these two bikes. You simply have to ride each bike in whatever RPM/gear which is most optimal to start a race at the chosen speed. Max thrust at any speed is achieved very differently between these two engines, but the point is to compare MAX THRUST, not some arbitrary gear which is very different between the two transmissions in the first place.
Hate to tell you, with over 100tq that Super Duke is always going to walk away unless you're two gears different, and on the top end it might not rush but by that point you're a bus length ahead anyway.
@@SteveC-Shaman See this is where people just don't understand horsepower and torque, and gearing.
Hats of to the evo , KTM likes the dial turned up to 11..I’d def take the MT …seemed to gloss over the fact the KTM has nearly a 30% bigger engine
And 2 less cylinders...
Hi lamb chop, i have just bought an mt10sp, previous bike mt09sp. I did consider a ktm, but i think the yamaha will be just more reliable. My mt09sp, tuned and remapped, i s a complete hoot to ride, i sold it to my mate Liam. See you at weymouth bike night! I live just off the coast road, great video!
Never ever getting rid of the 10. It will stay in the family and in ~40yrs from now my grandkids will ride it. By then it will look contemporary.
Yeah, the Yam will run in 2060.
Whether it's allowed, though...
@@kwakithailandeither that or petrol will only be available in pharmacies like in 1800 and for 500 quid/litre
Love your comparisons! Keep it going!
Thank you! Will do!
If ever possible, can you do a review with the Kawasaki Concourse & Yamaha FJR, and compare them with the new sport tourers of today & see if they are still relevant.
I think subconsciously you’re enjoying the MT10 more for it’s ease and comfort as you get a bit older chopsy.. not that there’s anything wrong with that 😁
Fair play Chopsy, your production values are just getting better and better. I think that you're probably the best out there now.
As a presenting team, you and Greg are great, it just works!
I tried out a 1st gen SD back in the day, it was a revelation to me, being a youngish, new rider at the time. These days I ride a R1200R, the model preceding the 1250, same shape, etc. Obviously, it falls into the 'capable' category, not the 'super-fast' category. So, last week, I tried out the current SD. I went up the road crying in fits of laughter...honestly, it was too much for me. I gave it back to the Saleslady, I said "I love it, but there's no point in a follow-up phone call"🤣
Great work gents, thanks again👍
Thanks buddy really appreciated 😁👍
Full exhaust and ecu flash on the mt-10 and you'll gain 20hp and a ridiculous sound. Yamaha all day.
"I think your clutch could be malfunctioning there, Greg." 😂
another great back to back review chopsy ! both of you are really easy to watch . id also go with the MT10 because Japanese 🤣
2.20 in lamb chop says “we both own the supa dook ” Well, I think to myself, this is gonna be a fair and impartial comparison!
“I think your clutch is malfunctioning” love it lol 😆
98% of bikes look nice when they are in your driveway/garage.
I have intentionally bought polarising bikes over the years, and everytime I have given it a spray down I can't help but just look at them, prideful in my purchasing decision.
SDR for me though slightly concerned that two TH-camrs gave up on them and handed them back because they were so unreliable. One swapped it for the BMW XR and the other for the MT10. I do agree the mT10 looks better in the flesh. Another great comparison video guys.
Only ‘slightly’ concerned?
Exactly. This is the trouble when vloggers are on brand new machines they didn't pay for and only have for a week or two....they can not judge the reliability.
Was it Tim that swapped his 1290SAS for one?
Went for the ktm 4months ago done over 2000miles great bike when no glitches unfortunately I get mtc failure on a regular basis and front brake light switch warning shame because there awesome,tried all fixes ie battery/servo cables if I turn ignition on and off 3 times everything goes back to normal but not for long
@@gazzarazza66 So if what you just described isn't a glitch one of us has the wrong definition of the meaning of 'glitch' 🙂
Hey mate,
Great video! Love the banter!
Have been contemplating between the mt10sp and s1000r. What would be your pick?
The problem is the mt's are SO strangled running pathetically lean to pass emissions standards, at least here in the US. A simple $300 "flash" or ecu tuning TOTALLY transforms these bikes into a different machine. Not only considerably more power but fuel mapping alone takes all the "snatchyness" out of the throttle, even in the most aggressive mode. However, Japanese are making it more difficult to alter ecu's as each year goes on. Just buy a regular 1st gen. For well under $1000 you can have yourself a true 150whp super fun bike to ride👍
What a surprising result, Chopsie! :-) Great review.
I owned a manual suspension version of the SD...nice bike, but I really didn't like the riding position and I found the suspension harsh. Rode a mate's MT10SP and was very impressed. Really comfortable, and, being a Yamaha it will start every time.... A 10SP with Brembos and a full system would be great.
Just an observation, when people talk about ‘low down torque’, ‘mid range’ and ‘throttle response’… these are more a function of throttle mapping and gearing than any advantage/disadvantage of a 4 cyl, triple, V twin or V4…. A good tuner can make any feel how you prefer.
Not true, the big pistons of that vtwin produce more torque than the smaller pistons of the I4. There are other factors but the point is the same, it's NOT just mapping.
Agree 👍
Agree with you lamb , mt10 sp got that somting that is hard to explain 👍 . Good job .
Thanks 👍
I look forward to the Mandello/R1250RS comparison.
I’d really like to ride an MT-10. I tried. In about 2016 I asked a Yamaha salesman to work me up a deal to trade my FJ-09 for an FZ-10. He never got back to me, so I went down the other street and bought a 2017 SDR. I’m now on my second, this EVO, and I don’t plan to look back. The Yamaha is probably more reliable though. My EVO is currently in the shop with a “preload failure” error. 😅😂 I don’t mind. It’s massively entertaining and I don’t like riding it in the winter anyway. Cold, greasy roads do not suit the massive torque and braking capabilities of this machine. It’s just not that fun tiptoeing around. Good time to ride other bikes and wait for warmer asphalt.
My current bike is 2022 MT09sp and I love it, the only thing I want is a little bit more power so I can hang out with the big bikes, now I do love both bikes but from your video I think my next bike would be the MT10sp
The only thing I don't like is the front end, does it look better in person?
Had my 21 MT10 out yesterday...many smiles!!!
Yamaha needs to make a MT12 with a triple cylinder engine.
These spectacularly powerful bikes are just perfect for all those hundred mile an hour corners you've always wanted to try.
I’d pick the KTM Superduke everyday and twice on a Sunday. The MT10SP is a fantastic bike but doesn’t quite match up to the Superduke. That’s coming from a Yamaha MT fanboy. Love both these bikes and they are both my absolute favourite bikes but choosing the Superduke is an easy pick.
😂
I just picked up my superduke last week... absolutely amazing bike! You can’t wipe the smile off my face with steel wool😁👍🏻
@@thatwoodguy104 good luck! Hope you will enjoy it!
Except when you're waiting for a van to pick it up after ir refuses to start due to ECU failure.
@@anabolic8097 exactly 🤣 that's why I said "good luck"
Great review as normal guys, really love the way you too work together.
Glad you enjoyed it Jeff 👍
I’m biased as I own the SDR. Perfect fit for me as a road bike, just so much fun. Best thing you can do is change the gearing 😎🍻
bloody hell great vid guys love it!!!
Thanks Craig 👍
That EVO is my absolute dream bike 😍
I'd go for the MT10SP cus of the peace of mind it gives me. I dont have to worry about shit breaking all the time with a Yamaha.
Far to many report alot of issues with the KTM SDs..
In fact I will probably swap my MT09 for a MT10SP for next season.
Me too, (2018 09) although I want to ride the Mandelo first.
Screw the looks, these bikes ignite one inside, and that's what riding is about for me. I would take both these bikes any day of the week. I have a 2023 MT10 and I am blown away everytime I ride it
Super video, as always a very nice comparison between these two mighty machines , please could you do a comparison between a multistrada V4S and V4S pikes peak please ?
I have a review coming of the Pikes Peak anyway 👍
Thank you, looking forward to it, I had met you briefly earlier in the year at one of the csbk school days
Would love to see the SDR Evo vs ‘23 Streetfighter V4S road bike comparison
Tuono factory vs SDR evo. Come on chopsie give us what we want
Tough choice but I'm going to be boring and just the same old story I feel they'll be a lot less trips back to the dealership if i went for the mt 10.
I'm getting old but buying the right bike is more than what the specs are and hands down the superduke has it. But the MT-10 SP is a classy beast, she's just so classy looking. It's like if Triumph was going for that cyberpunk design language I think this is what I would expect to see. Quite often we're spending a lot of time getting to our favorite roads and the one that punishes you the least getting there and still puts a smile on your face... and you can admire how classy the bike looks just parked wherever she is. That's a pretty special bike.
Had 2 r1's got to 59 then thought shoulders aching back ache when i did 200 mile run px my R1 a comfortable harley had no problems with it ,suspension shit , going to px it for the 24 MT-10 SP ,looks the job for me
As a person who dislikes computers and the electrical gremlins they inevitably bring I do appreciate how refined these new bikes are. They ride so effortlessly and are so easy to go fast on but as I age and being the fastest on the latest and greatest machine becomes less valuable to me I have returned to the analog bikes for the riding experience they provide hairy warts and all as they actually require something of the rider and it seems more fulfilling.