No BGM cuz this video is sad. The goal was sub5'50", in this video there were 2 major mistakes that prevented the sub6'10" (3:57 and 5:17) but dealing with both RNG of the monster and the RNG of the helmbreaker's hitbox it became impossible for me. I won't lose my mental sanity and my time because Capcom adds delayed hitbox mechanics (ISS and HB) they can't evidently manage. I'll reach my goal if Capcom will ever consider to fix this shit. I will take some time now for other projects I have in mind, so please stay tuned for some good content next month on my channel! Cya. Edit: This is the set, sorry I forgot to show it at the end twitter.com/ThatPeppo/status/1288863412173316096
So is the glitch then because the hitbox from HB comes a little after you actually do the attack so if you use HB and the monster moves another part of it's body into the lingering hitbox then that part takes some of the HB damage?
I was so confused lately. I genuinely thought I was just missing hits since I thought that shit got fixed before. Turns out they fucked it up again. This is the most used and most bugged weapon in the game. Wtf is Capcom doing?
Based on the position, it almost looks like the hit box clipped the chest spikes while falling, but maybe it has something to do with the player's position, since all the 'failed' hits have the player a lot closer to Ala's neck than the rest, and the hitbox is checking near the hilt? I dunno, I'm not an LS main and this is the first I've heard of this, but maybe
@@thechilzer7803 It doesn't make sense sometimes. You can even see it in this video on the second example where the grey hits are actually behind him. Logical thinking would have you believe the way it works is the hitbox for helmbreaker is vertical since it's a falling attack, but sometimes the actual hits are landing on a horizontal line.
What I enjoyed most was your ability to evade so many attacks. As a Switch Axe main, the ability to avoid attacks is a key element in being a successful hunter especially with how immobile my weapon is.
that also happens to me, especially when ur hunting a monster with wings and u wantt to hit the front legs, some of the damage goes to the wings instead of the front legs
Most of the moves you pull off are pure bullshit like im 100% sure i can never pull it off. And that ending combo is just fuckin gold. Nice Run man, mad respect.
Bruv fuck it. You're still a damn good player and your content is amazing. It don't matter what RNG does or how you missed your timing by abit. Its all good my man. You're still a god damn legend in my book. Way to go my man
Bro, that run was amazing! Very well done! Capcom seems to cut the budget alot when it comes to the favorite weapon in the game. I simply can't understand the mindset behind that
That helm breaker hitbox in the 2nd one... haha the hits went to your back when u slashed in front of the head. Demn they really messed up with the helm breaker hitbox. Sometimes i miss all hits when i hit in front of the head lol.
I always thought I keep missing the weak spot doing the helm breaker despite it doesnt look like it visually, so all this time its a god damn BUG!? Really Capcom!? Really!?
@@jinzumi the problem of ZSD is that you are unseated from any attack, you can do this only when monsters is motionless (paralised, stunned or clugged for example), but the SA is playable also without her power move...only you have to become the master of moi 😂😂😂
With all due tremendous respect that I have for you and your runs, I think you're not using a subtle but important technique, at least on this video. When you reach the peak of your helmbreaker jump, you tend to press attack button right away, so that your helmbreaker descent is faster. However, you can wait on pressing the attack key until the very last moment you land. When you hit the attack button just before you touch the ground, it will adjust the helmbreaker hitbox smaller so that it is more concentrated towards the ground where you land. Especially at 7:15 you pointed out the one helmbreaker tick going into the wing, but I think that could have been avoided if you waited on executing the HB slash command. It might also be possible that if you waited longer in that scenario, you could have flew away and missed the whole HB. I have no idea how that technique will interact with the ticks going into the chest, I totally feel you on that one, the hitbox does seem weird. I'm kinda late to this video but with your skills and mechanics, I think you can turn things around even more to your favor if you micro-control the HBs a bit more. But great run as always, you're an inspiration!
You can wait but that can lead to deviation from the angle he’s after. I’m sitting at a 10:51 solo on ala and I’ve done the waiting and the pressing immediately. It does make a difference as to wear you land. By pressing it immediately it basically locks you into that area and it’s good for targeting. I do get what your saying but if you don’t wana travel in the air too far you press sooner
So two things: 1. Is 3 piece Safi 2 piece Alatreon now meta for most elemental builds over just running 5 piece Safi? 2. I know you don't tenderize the head because it already has a really high hitzone value so there's little benefit from softening it but isn't it still beneficial to tenderize the front legs or are they the same case as the head???
A 2 non serve. Rolli un paio di volte e ti togli il blight, per ogni roll diminuisci il tempo del blight di 5 secondi, per questo all’ inizio dopo l’ elemental topple rollo come un dannato 3 volte di fila eheheh
So painful to see how easy you killed him(last night I tried many times and still can’t kill him 😭😭) but the more painful watching the video tho..is seen items on the floor and you don’t pick them up..(I guess this is after you killed him 100 times right?) lolz.
Chuan Li I think what he meant was it’ll be what you would normally get when doing all the little slashes added up, the problem with that would be the first hit of helm would wake the monster and the ultra one hit helm breaker wouldn’t get the sleeping hit multiplier while the GS does, theoretically giving it the bigger damage
Imagine losing your sanity when you could solo alatreon in less than 10 mins Yet here I am, ordinary mortal, who has yet to conquer this mountain of a dragon
Tbh solo is the way to go for alatreon if you don't have friends to play with. You don't have to rely on randoms to bring the right element, if any element at all (some idiots still try to bring in their blast shit) and getting the ele topples is easier too imo.
I personally am my own "speedrunner" (13 minutes is the fastest I can do LMAO this is just for fun) but I can understand how those damage numbers mean SO MUCH to making sure you get the fastest time possible. Those hits to the neck despite a clear slash to the head make absolutely no sense.
It will only work of the attack is always a critical because if the monster moves while you’re doing HB and hit a hard part, you just wasted your meter for very little damage. Interestingly enough, I don’t think I have had that bug shown in the video.
@@SAWFACEG59 really? I thought they said they are planning to support mhw for a long ass time. I'd expect several more, at the very least 1 more huge dlc. Isn't letter G still free for that?
@@maiwaifuisdead Uh no bruv Fatalis is the last update. That's the end. They are moving on to new project after this. However monsterhunterworld servers and events will still run for quite some time.
@@maiwaifuisdead Servers will be up for a long time, that's what they mean by supporting it. Other multiplayer games would just shut down their servers after moving towards a next project.
Man what a sad time to be longsword main. Whoever made delayed hitbox a thing was a fool. We all know we cant be as cool as vergil... longsword needs a major overhaul. Seriously. Quick sheath lvl 3 is pointless as well...why cant i clutch straight away after a roundhouse slash and have to look at my character slowly sheathing it?
Lmaoo that end music. Sad thing is capcom the type that will let something like tigrex hitbox stays forever soooo i hope they really works toeard making the game as less clunky as possible
@@jeroen92 not really. Some anime character will just sheathe their katana and the enemy got cut to thousand pieces. I think thats where the idea came from
I am a LS Player and I know this well. Every time soloing Alatreon, this will happen it feels so bad when they released the message that LS had been fixed but it still have some problem like this and so "DEAR CAPCOM” (I'm from Malaysia, my english sucks)
Speedrunning for such low times needs incredible rng. Still, a world record is incredible! Tbh I think the helmbreakers would have landed more consistently if you execute them completely perpendicular to Alatreon's head, though delayed hitboxes are not nice.
I've hunted Alatreon 100 times with LS, this shit has occurred in every single hunt I've done, it doesn't matter how accurate you land it. This problem needs to be fixed, but I think it is too late.
Weapon attacks that are only one move but have multiple damage numbers (like helm breaker, wyverns fire, Iai spirit slash, etc.) should be changed to just have one big number imo
I saw someone make this same argument further up, and at first I agreed, until I saw the counterargument. The counterpoint to that is this: What if for some reason the monster turns, or does a slight movement, and then that Helmbreaker that was meant to hit the head for 1000 combined damage, now hits its resistant wing for only 200? You essentially just wasted your entire big, damaging move to only get a fifth of the damage. The multiple damage numbers are overall a better way to implement it. I'm entirely sure that Capcom had the same idea when they were coding in Helmbreaker. They probably just found that the chance of wasting all of your damage on a target that got blocked in a manner that was out of your control to be...well, a bit lame, and unfun for the player. Still, the fact that what should be a straight, vertical hitbox can miss and hit other areas like in the video is an incredibly frustrating thing to deal with.
the case at 7:15 where the wing is clipped seems to suggest it's to do with a giant hitbox they put on the move to make sure it lands. All the hits are to close bodyparts like the neck. I'm guessing it's not an alatreon specific issue, though maybe the position of his head compared to his neck worsens it. they're at about the same height when helmsplitter lands, maybe neck a bit higher sometimes. Essentially it's not a bug but a bad hitbox
they could have had multiple hitboxes... a tight one, which gets checked first to get precise hits, then a slightly less tight one etc. it's not even hard to implement, maybe 30 mins of work (plus a whole lot of testing ofc)
@@captainace1277 Well, from the release date elemental damage acts a bit weird in this game, like it's just an addiction. I think Crapcom could rework a little on how the elemental damage works.
@@procow2274 yeah. its already quite hard to hit weak spots with HB with all the inconsistencies, plus a shitty multiplier. ngl im already having troubles hitting weak spots with HB cause the monsters keep moving an inch away
That one proc you got on the tip of the wing looks valid considering your weapon did clip through his wing before he moved it back at the beginning of the helm splitter. Looks more like hitbox porn instead of just a bad hitbox. The neck procs though are completely BS
This hunt was very satisfying. I can see the hitbox issue and was surprised Capcom didn't fix that issue (or did they later on ?) I still can't beat it with longsword, but it makes me want to give it another shot at the dragon chicken.
I think its not the problem of SHB's hitbox, it's about the hitbox of Alatreon's chest. Hope crapcom will fix it. (the reason of 7:21 is because 7:03, once you press the button, the hit box starting from when the player character pulls the sword backward in preparation for the swing, and continues to be active for a short period even after the character has landed. Which MoonBunnie's document about SHB state it very clearly)
It very clearly looks like some hits in the drop are hitting spots the rise would create even if the timeline of hits is different (looks like those odd hits are the 5th or sixth?) So starting SHB behind the monster in its forearm-pit looks to be part of the problem. Fault nonwithstanding. I believe SHB should be explained in detail by capcom or some sort of hotfix be applied at a later date. I feel for LS but there are other weapons that could really use the attention.
At some point after Iceborne began, I stopped using the helmsplitter. I was just way too irritated that it didn't work properly and the problem was never adressed. I used it again on Fatalis, but had a whole other problem. The slash hit the head, the efx triggered. Nothing. No damage at all. A perfectly timed helmsplitter with no reward and a wasted bar. It is truly sad and it feels even worse here. You have such beautiful, elegant gameplay and those helmsplitters were perfect. At least we had the Iai spirit slash as another big damage move. Let's see how it will be in rise.
I'm pretty dumb but why is the color of the damage number at 6:48 , 6:57 yellowish with orange color with a star? I Use The Defender Longsword IV And I Have Seen It But I Don't Know Why The Color Is Like That, Can Someone Explain?
We literally just failed an alatreon because my helm breaker damage all went to his neck and chest for crap damage despite my sword quite literally clipping through the tip of his stupid head. He then proceeded to get enraged and fly until it was to late. If fatalis has some ridiculous damage check too I'm alt f4ing and going to bed.
I swear, it almost feels like the HB hits are reorienting according to the camera somehow. Like, when rotating to see Alatreon from the front, because the HB downward trust intersects the rest of his body's LOS, it somehow reacts to that...
I think you might be right I once landed a full damage helmbreaker on lunastra's head despite me completely missing the camera was in a weird postion too. Yet there are times where I land it properly and damage gets skewed like in the video.
@@procow2274 because she literally just moved as I was coming down so I couldn't aim at anything. I just turned my helmbreaker 180 degrees behind me and still got the hit.
No BGM cuz this video is sad. The goal was sub5'50", in this video there were 2 major mistakes that prevented the sub6'10" (3:57 and 5:17)
but dealing with both RNG of the monster and the RNG of the helmbreaker's hitbox it became impossible for me.
I won't lose my mental sanity and my time because Capcom adds delayed hitbox mechanics (ISS and HB) they can't evidently manage.
I'll reach my goal if Capcom will ever consider to fix this shit. I will take some time now for other projects I have in mind, so please
stay tuned for some good content next month on my channel! Cya.
Edit: This is the set, sorry I forgot to show it at the end twitter.com/ThatPeppo/status/1288863412173316096
Im a LS main too. Its very sad too see they never fixed helm breaker. So now ive been using the other 13 weapons.
Im a gs and ls main ive legit started to use my gs more now its sad
😆 "i wont lose my mental sanity and my time" lol I find it funny reading this after seeing this many runs from u 😂
So is the glitch then because the hitbox from HB comes a little after you actually do the attack so if you use HB and the monster moves another part of it's body into the lingering hitbox then that part takes some of the HB damage?
I was so confused lately. I genuinely thought I was just missing hits since I thought that shit got fixed before. Turns out they fucked it up again. This is the most used and most bugged weapon in the game. Wtf is Capcom doing?
Alatreon: Uses ultimate
Normal Hunter: "Quick, 1 person health booster, come come!"
Peppo: *busy helm breaking
So the solution of helm breaker missing damage is to randomly add the damage to other parts of the monster. Sweet.
Yeah I love it when I land on the head but get a load of miserable grey numbers from everywhere but the head
Based on the position, it almost looks like the hit box clipped the chest spikes while falling, but maybe it has something to do with the player's position, since all the 'failed' hits have the player a lot closer to Ala's neck than the rest, and the hitbox is checking near the hilt? I dunno, I'm not an LS main and this is the first I've heard of this, but maybe
@@thechilzer7803 It doesn't make sense sometimes. You can even see it in this video on the second example where the grey hits are actually behind him. Logical thinking would have you believe the way it works is the hitbox for helmbreaker is vertical since it's a falling attack, but sometimes the actual hits are landing on a horizontal line.
it hurts your pride with anime cringe, thats how they balance helmbreaker
sportagus3 the Helm Splitter clipped the wing too, a tiny bit. It was in range during the fall.
3:56 Peppo: "Ok Alatreon, you can get 1 hit in."
Yeah me and my boy Alatreon trying to hunt down the impossible monster named "Peppo"
What about the ice flares?
Nasty-looking Navi that was an actually body hit
2:20 the timing on that helm breaker is so beautiful
6:46 see? even alatreon is laughing at the hitbox
*G R A S S*
@@DogeSargeant kusa
草
0:41 pause
in my head i heard "Flawless Victory" from Mortal Kombat after Alatreon went down. well done, great dance
最後のダイジェストから撮り直しのイメージがにじみ出てて切ない
What I enjoyed most was your ability to evade so many attacks. As a Switch Axe main, the ability to avoid attacks is a key element in being a successful hunter especially with how immobile my weapon is.
that also happens to me, especially when ur hunting a monster with wings and u wantt to hit the front legs, some of the damage goes to the wings instead of the front legs
Most of the moves you pull off are pure bullshit like im 100% sure i can never pull it off. And that ending combo is just fuckin gold. Nice Run man, mad respect.
Bruv fuck it. You're still a damn good player and your content is amazing. It don't matter what RNG does or how you missed your timing by abit. Its all good my man. You're still a god damn legend in my book. Way to go my man
Hey Peppo. Just another great run on this video. What video editor app do you use, if you dont mind me asking?
Sony Vegas
@@PeppoLS thanks Peppo! Looking forward to more of your sword swinging vids.
Bro, that run was amazing! Very well done!
Capcom seems to cut the budget alot when it comes to the favorite weapon in the game. I simply can't understand the mindset behind that
Today is the day i first slayed this monster i have never been so happy for months
Better late than never lol
Omg today is the first time I slayed Alatreon too,I was so happy.
Eyyy congrats guys ✌🏽
3:56 ah yes that shit got me just like that aswell. How do you want to prevent something you cant see.
Y’all doing this in six min and I can’t even do it y’all a different breed love the content tho
Bro.... that was so dope and welled timed. I wish i played like that
That helm breaker hitbox in the 2nd one... haha the hits went to your back when u slashed in front of the head. Demn they really messed up with the helm breaker hitbox. Sometimes i miss all hits when i hit in front of the head lol.
The hit box thing is not a bug, you are just breaking the game with your insane-ness ....
Those dodge is a BIG flex.
Wait. How are you not flinching from the attacks?
It’s illegal for you to be this good
I hate the Ls so much, that i love it
Bonjour Peppo, tu es un Dieu comme Harmonium, Alex Hunter, Bomb le Japonais, Jad et Miralis ! Tu es Anglais, Espanol ou Japonais ??
le 0 dégats à son ulti c'est pour me provoquer ?
alatreon looks like a combination of garuga, zinogre and velkhana
Can someone explain why people sometimes clutch on a Monster to get closer, sometimes it looks it tooks more time then just normal running to him
That's some cool ending there
I always thought I keep missing the weak spot doing the helm breaker despite it doesnt look like it visually, so all this time its a god damn BUG!? Really Capcom!? Really!?
how to use the lai slash
at least you can perform your power move, I can tell you, as a main SA, that every time doing a ZSD is an agony 😂😂😂
My friend just solo'ed with SA and he had the most rough time doing it as I was watching on screen but yeh... I understand your pain
@@jinzumi the problem of ZSD is that you are unseated from any attack, you can do this only when monsters is motionless (paralised, stunned or clugged for example), but the SA is playable also without her power move...only you have to become the master of moi 😂😂😂
With all due tremendous respect that I have for you and your runs, I think you're not using a subtle but important technique, at least on this video.
When you reach the peak of your helmbreaker jump, you tend to press attack button right away, so that your helmbreaker descent is faster. However, you can wait on pressing the attack key until the very last moment you land. When you hit the attack button just before you touch the ground, it will adjust the helmbreaker hitbox smaller so that it is more concentrated towards the ground where you land. Especially at 7:15 you pointed out the one helmbreaker tick going into the wing, but I think that could have been avoided if you waited on executing the HB slash command. It might also be possible that if you waited longer in that scenario, you could have flew away and missed the whole HB. I have no idea how that technique will interact with the ticks going into the chest, I totally feel you on that one, the hitbox does seem weird.
I'm kinda late to this video but with your skills and mechanics, I think you can turn things around even more to your favor if you micro-control the HBs a bit more.
But great run as always, you're an inspiration!
You can wait but that can lead to deviation from the angle he’s after. I’m sitting at a 10:51 solo on ala and I’ve done the waiting and the pressing immediately. It does make a difference as to wear you land. By pressing it immediately it basically locks you into that area and it’s good for targeting. I do get what your saying but if you don’t wana travel in the air too far you press sooner
あんたはよく頑張ったよ…
what layered armor is that? the trouser
Wow I thought they fixed the helm breaker. It's hard to be mad at the dev team when they've done so much good.
yet to fight this, just started,i noticed u lose hp everytime u attack, but if u hit u get lifesteal, whats that skill called?
Its from Safijiiva armor set bonus
So two things:
1. Is 3 piece Safi 2 piece Alatreon now meta for most elemental builds over just running 5 piece Safi?
2. I know you don't tenderize the head because it already has a really high hitzone value so there's little benefit from softening it but isn't it still beneficial to tenderize the front legs or are they the same case as the head???
Tenderize means weapon sharpness will go soon. Not worth it. This is what he mentioned in Twitch stream.
I thought that you can't survive the escaton judgment alone how did you do that brother
Hit it with elemental damage to weaken the judgement
It took me 27 min to kill him solo .... I am amazed by your run, even if you didn't hit your goal.
Perché un solo livello di resistenza malus? Compensi con il cibo?
A 2 non serve. Rolli un paio di volte e ti togli il blight, per ogni roll diminuisci il tempo del blight di 5 secondi, per questo all’ inizio dopo l’ elemental topple rollo come un dannato 3 volte di fila eheheh
@@PeppoLS Aaaaahh ho capito, grazie mille
What kind of point or potion will increase your healing like him?, he heal up half a health bar in like 3 sec, impressive
Augmentations, he puts health regen on his sword, it heals a portion of his damage
Clean hunt tho
On the last one you DID hit the wing a little too though to be fair
This looks more like a great Jagras than a Alatreaon. Think I spend more time healing than attacking on this fight so far lol..
WHAT THE FUCK IS HE DOING I wanna be that strong
Breh how'd he get blast on alatreon scythe
Two things, one it’s fire, two it’s layered weapon
@@eat5802 ik I figured that out a while ago
classy finish!
you are a fucking beast bro XD
Maybe you are just burnt out, consider a break and maybe try it again someday .
Wait... so you are not going to speedrun alatreon any more because your weapon sucks?
gg run
So painful to see how easy you killed him(last night I tried many times and still can’t kill him 😭😭) but the more painful watching the video tho..is seen items on the floor and you don’t pick them up..(I guess this is after you killed him 100 times right?) lolz.
Bruh , what’s your build?
They should make helm break into single massive hit instead of multiple small hits
aww but thats not as satisfying
@@ingohregg688 they could "fake" it, dividing the damage and doing the multiple hits sounds but in reality it hit once with a shit ton of damage
Chuan Li I think what he meant was it’ll be what you would normally get when doing all the little slashes added up, the problem with that would be the first hit of helm would wake the monster and the ultra one hit helm breaker wouldn’t get the sleeping hit multiplier while the GS does, theoretically giving it the bigger damage
@@miguellazarogil935 noice
@Chuan Li TCS was only added in World how would it be symbolic across the series
Imagine losing your sanity when you could solo alatreon in less than 10 mins
Yet here I am, ordinary mortal, who has yet to conquer this mountain of a dragon
I finally got my first solo last night after who knows how many attempts. You can do it, I guarantee.
Tbh solo is the way to go for alatreon if you don't have friends to play with. You don't have to rely on randoms to bring the right element, if any element at all (some idiots still try to bring in their blast shit) and getting the ele topples is easier too imo.
I've yet to solo him. Mostly because he starts playing a bullshit keep away game once he gets close to a element damage cap being met.
The real mountain dragon is zorah.
Feels
I was almost crying laughing watching those "helmbreakers" at the end, then the last one got replayed and I saw that 99 and almost fell of my chair!
The chest hits were worse offenders, he did kinda clip the wing with the swing but I don't understand the chest hits at all.
Cringe
i love how you’re sheathing a scythe
This was the most epic Alatreon run I'll probably ever see
I personally am my own "speedrunner" (13 minutes is the fastest I can do LMAO this is just for fun) but I can understand how those damage numbers mean SO MUCH to making sure you get the fastest time possible. Those hits to the neck despite a clear slash to the head make absolutely no sense.
未だ兜割がどうして多段ヒット扱いになるか理解できないし、一発に集合したほうがいいよ
Seriously capcom just change it to 1 big chunk of damage like this one 1:16 but with greater value, that will really fix the problem
It will only work of the attack is always a critical because if the monster moves while you’re doing HB and hit a hard part, you just wasted your meter for very little damage. Interestingly enough, I don’t think I have had that bug shown in the video.
The game is almost at the end of its life cycle. They aren't gonna completely change the way the hitbox works now.
@@SAWFACEG59 really? I thought they said they are planning to support mhw for a long ass time. I'd expect several more, at the very least 1 more huge dlc. Isn't letter G still free for that?
@@maiwaifuisdead Uh no bruv Fatalis is the last update. That's the end.
They are moving on to new project after this. However monsterhunterworld servers and events will still run for quite some time.
@@maiwaifuisdead Servers will be up for a long time, that's what they mean by supporting it.
Other multiplayer games would just shut down their servers after moving towards a next project.
Man what a sad time to be longsword main. Whoever made delayed hitbox a thing was a fool. We all know we cant be as cool as vergil... longsword needs a major overhaul. Seriously. Quick sheath lvl 3 is pointless as well...why cant i clutch straight away after a roundhouse slash and have to look at my character slowly sheathing it?
Helmbreaker
More like
Shooting with Shotgun from 100m away
You apparently have never used a shotgun in real life.
@zuliwe z
Most people haven’t
Lmaoo that end music. Sad thing is capcom the type that will let something like tigrex hitbox stays forever soooo i hope they really works toeard making the game as less clunky as possible
I've never understood why helmsplitter gives multiple hits rather than just one big hit. It's one strike.
Anime
@@jehonthecasual1990 but in Anime katana don't deal multiple hit... They deal a single hit with an effect that is delayed between 10 and 20 seconds.
@@jeroen92 not really. Some anime character will just sheathe their katana and the enemy got cut to thousand pieces. I think thats where the idea came from
I understood if its spirit slash, but it is a freakin helm breaker.
They should switch multiple hits to spirit slash and only one hit to helm breaker lmao
I am a LS Player and I know this well.
Every time soloing Alatreon, this will happen it feels so bad when they released the message that LS had been
fixed but it still have some problem like this and so "DEAR CAPCOM”
(I'm from Malaysia, my english sucks)
I got the special assignment, went in, get rekt, came out, cry.
Speedrunning for such low times needs incredible rng. Still, a world record is incredible!
Tbh I think the helmbreakers would have landed more consistently if you execute them completely perpendicular to Alatreon's head, though delayed hitboxes are not nice.
Nah it straight up doesnt matter. I've done the same and it somehow hits the wing.
I've hunted Alatreon 100 times with LS, this shit has occurred in every single hunt I've done, it doesn't matter how accurate you land it. This problem needs to be fixed, but I think it is too late.
you must be delusional
The helmsplitter damage hitbox stuff is RIDICULOUS. Your blad isn't ANYWHERE CLOSE to hitting ANYTHING BUT the head.
5:45 ここの見切り斬り方向からの兜割り制御が芸術的すぎる
終盤でこれを狙って決めきる胆力に脱帽
今回の太刀はシリーズ最高の武器なだけに兜割りバグは惜しいなぁ…
Probably the most amazing and satisfying long sword gameplay I’ve ever seen.
Weapon attacks that are only one move but have multiple damage numbers (like helm breaker, wyverns fire, Iai spirit slash, etc.) should be changed to just have one big number imo
I saw someone make this same argument further up, and at first I agreed, until I saw the counterargument. The counterpoint to that is this: What if for some reason the monster turns, or does a slight movement, and then that Helmbreaker that was meant to hit the head for 1000 combined damage, now hits its resistant wing for only 200? You essentially just wasted your entire big, damaging move to only get a fifth of the damage. The multiple damage numbers are overall a better way to implement it. I'm entirely sure that Capcom had the same idea when they were coding in Helmbreaker. They probably just found that the chance of wasting all of your damage on a target that got blocked in a manner that was out of your control to be...well, a bit lame, and unfun for the player. Still, the fact that what should be a straight, vertical hitbox
can miss and hit other areas like in the video is an incredibly frustrating thing to deal with.
the case at 7:15 where the wing is clipped seems to suggest it's to do with a giant hitbox they put on the move to make sure it lands. All the hits are to close bodyparts like the neck. I'm guessing it's not an alatreon specific issue, though maybe the position of his head compared to his neck worsens it. they're at about the same height when helmsplitter lands, maybe neck a bit higher sometimes.
Essentially it's not a bug but a bad hitbox
they could have had multiple hitboxes... a tight one, which gets checked first to get precise hits, then a slightly less tight one etc. it's not even hard to implement, maybe 30 mins of work (plus a whole lot of testing ofc)
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If the Spirit Helm Breaker change to 1hits, i think i will take it
@Mister Jaux just bump the multiplier to 5 XD
@Mister Jaux Tbh, helmbreaker has always had shitty ele multipliers, you only use it to dish out as much raw as possible
@@captainace1277 Well, from the release date elemental damage acts a bit weird in this game, like it's just an addiction. I think Crapcom could rework a little on how the elemental damage works.
@@namisauce9826 actually you would set it to 1.5 not 5 times since the hits only do 30% element for some reason just like the bows dragon piercer.
@@procow2274 yeah. its already quite hard to hit weak spots with HB with all the inconsistencies, plus a shitty multiplier. ngl im already having troubles hitting weak spots with HB cause the monsters keep moving an inch away
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That one proc you got on the tip of the wing looks valid considering your weapon did clip through his wing before he moved it back at the beginning of the helm splitter. Looks more like hitbox porn instead of just a bad hitbox. The neck procs though are completely BS
Peppo ma che arma stai usando in questo video?
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This hunt was very satisfying. I can see the hitbox issue and was surprised Capcom didn't fix that issue (or did they later on ?) I still can't beat it with longsword, but it makes me want to give it another shot at the dragon chicken.
What layered pieces are you using in this video?
I think its not the problem of SHB's hitbox, it's about the hitbox of Alatreon's chest. Hope crapcom will fix it. (the reason of 7:21 is because 7:03, once you press the button, the hit box starting from when the player character pulls the sword backward in preparation for the swing, and continues to be active for a short period even after the character has landed. Which MoonBunnie's document about SHB state it very clearly)
It very clearly looks like some hits in the drop are hitting spots the rise would create even if the timeline of hits is different (looks like those odd hits are the 5th or sixth?) So starting SHB behind the monster in its forearm-pit looks to be part of the problem. Fault nonwithstanding.
I believe SHB should be explained in detail by capcom or some sort of hotfix be applied at a later date.
I feel for LS but there are other weapons that could really use the attention.
At some point after Iceborne began, I stopped using the helmsplitter. I was just way too irritated that it didn't work properly and the problem was never adressed. I used it again on Fatalis, but had a whole other problem. The slash hit the head, the efx triggered.
Nothing.
No damage at all. A perfectly timed helmsplitter with no reward and a wasted bar.
It is truly sad and it feels even worse here. You have such beautiful, elegant gameplay and those helmsplitters were perfect. At least we had the Iai spirit slash as another big damage move. Let's see how it will be in rise.
I'm pretty dumb but why is the color of the damage number at 6:48 , 6:57 yellowish with orange color with a star? I Use The Defender Longsword IV And I Have Seen It But I Don't Know Why The Color Is Like That, Can Someone Explain?
Lunastra: Aids
Alatreon: Cancer
Fatalis: Corona
Jesus, glad to know i'm not the only one who experienced this bs
We literally just failed an alatreon because my helm breaker damage all went to his neck and chest for crap damage despite my sword quite literally clipping through the tip of his stupid head.
He then proceeded to get enraged and fly until it was to late. If fatalis has some ridiculous damage check too I'm alt f4ing and going to bed.
Easy fix would be to reduce the amount of hits but increase dmg, or just make it a singular hit. Idk I'm not a game developer
I don't think I can argue with that single damage on the wing since you did slice it, but the damages on the neck is pretty bs
Nice run I never knew LS I frames were so insane that an attack could move your character model like that w/o dmgs
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I still don’t get why don’t just make the helm breaker one hit. Problem solved
Still an awesome run despite HB’s bullshit. Do you prefer Rise/Sunbreak’s helm breaker, do you like what they’ve done with it?
may you share your build? I wanna try it out too please
I swear, it almost feels like the HB hits are reorienting according to the camera somehow. Like, when rotating to see Alatreon from the front, because the HB downward trust intersects the rest of his body's LOS, it somehow reacts to that...
I think you might be right I once landed a full damage helmbreaker on lunastra's head despite me completely missing the camera was in a weird postion too. Yet there are times where I land it properly and damage gets skewed like in the video.
@@Lunk42 I feel compelled to ask why you wouldn't aim at Luna's wings
@@procow2274 because she literally just moved as I was coming down so I couldn't aim at anything. I just turned my helmbreaker 180 degrees behind me and still got the hit.
Can you tell me what is your build cuz i don't know how to make builds and i am very good at fighting alatreon
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May i ask how many Alatreon you killed?
Around 100 in solo
@@PeppoLS ok great run by the way
So far as I know that hitbox has always been janked to fuck and back