Nope you’re wrong Conor. The offense could just be care free with the football if you just hand them the ball back after fumbling at the 1. Soft mindset you have
The fumble into the end zone rule should stay. The game favors the offense so much, that is just a 1/10000 opportunity for the defense to have a shot. And it's exciting. People just hate it because their team can't hold onto the ball.
No idea why you're going for all the Dan Campbell hate this video. Of all the current and former coaches known for fucking up decisions, you choose him?
It's kind of weird having the Lions blazed on for something other than just being consistently sh*tty for a change. We must be doing something right. Considering what Brad Holmes and Dan Campbell have done with the Lions in 3 years, after over a half century of pain and misery, maybe Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll should take notes. 🤷♂🤣
If I had it my way, I'd make a rule saying "No automatic 1st downs from penalties unless the yardage gained is enough to provide a 1st down." When a team is backed up 3rd & long (or even 4th & long) and they're gifted a completely new set of downs from some dumb penalty, it feels wrong. If the 5 to 15 penalty yards are enough, cool. Otherwise, replay the same down.
what would stop defenses from committing penalties on purpose then? "Hey, they're 4 and 25 & that 27 yard pass would've given them the first down, so f**k the WRs up!" It would increase penalties at the potential cost of the health of the players - and we know the NFL is increasingly pro-health (wink-wink).
@mudman619 I don't get it, how would that increase penalties? If they're 4th & 25 & you commit a 10 yard penalty, it'll then be 4th & 15. They don't deserve a fresh set of downs based on that. If they commit PI and it's 25 yards down field, then they'll get a 1st down based on yardage.
@ColtonGoertz I agree with that. I also go back & forth on intentional grounding, which I feel should be a spot foul like PI, not a flat 10 yards (unless it's near the goal line). If the QB is about to be sacked, mark the penalty where the sack would've occurred. If that's 15 yards back, so be it. If it's 5 yards back, same thing. Loss of down too of course.
While George Marshall was an idiot, there have been multiple doctors that have said they felt football would be actually safer without face masks people would be less likely to lead with their helmets.
Kind of like how apparently bare knuckled boxing leads to less major injuries, at least to the head and brain, because they don't hit the head due to the risk of breaking their hands and not having padded fists
People don’t talk about how Don Beebe’s strip on Leon Lett in Super Bowl 27 was a touchback It would’ve meant a lot less if that only resulted in the cowboys getting the ball at the Bills’ eleven
@@stuartdollar9912 There are stories that peewee coaches all over the country showed that play to their teams to instill in them a sense of perseverance and hustle
@@JayHillardconsidering 5 points is a Giants fan this is definitely true but as a Chiefs fan I love it when DC gets shit on because of how overrated he is lol
The Lions never would have got a final scoring drive if the ref made the correct call for tripping on Aiden Hutchinson. That call against the Lions at the end was karma.
@@matthewcrispinwordofGodSo a horrible call by the refs is ok because they had a previous horrible call? As if two wrongs make a right? Genuinely shut up, that’s the same stupid logic that Packers fans used to counter the blatant PI that wasn’t called during their game against the chiefs “WELL THERE WAS A BAD CALL IN FAVOR OF THE CHIEFS SO ITS OK” no…it’s not
@@matthewcrispinwordofGod I’m saying that logic would be stupid for ANY team Why would a bad call suddenly be a good call if there was a previous bad call? Thats not “Karma” that’s just stupid logic
@@matthewcrispinwordofGod Ref looked directly at him and called a different number. Not the same as a no call. I didn't clarify, but I was refering to the eligible player call. Not the tuck rule, process of the catch, or an uncalled trip.
I have to respectfully disagree with you, it artificially creates close games when a team has built a multi score lead. It makes playing better for 3 quarters feel like it’s almost useless.
I prefer the entertainment of the 4th and 15 rule. Even if a tad unbalanced. It'd be like putting your whole second string offense in for your teams final play of the game. Not fun. Just ask the 49ers about that.
@@jameseubanks3477I love the rule in the ufl because it keeps the games close and entertaining. I wouldn’t want it at all in the nfl because I would go through a lot of tvs when mahomes was converting them and romo was verbally ejaculating all over the booth.
I'm actually with the idea of the 4th and 15 concept with one caveat -- only a team that's behind can use it, only once. I think there's got to be something to keep people from heading to the gates when a team is down by 10 with two minutes to play, but if a team has jumped ahead by three scores, I think they've earned the right to play the seniors.
The 4th and 15 instead of the onside kick is a good idea. Onside kicks are basically impossible now due to the formatting update. So it would help the game. I would also make OT a full 15 min quarter. No matter who scores a TD first
3:14 I was at the game, they never called it, worst officials I ever saw in my life, they ended up stealing the game from us by penalizing us for a blocked field goal even though the play was clean.
For the surprise onside kicks, you should have used footage from the Seahawks-Packers NFCCG. No video on the topic would be complete without giving Tom PTSD.
Also fuck it. The NFL should replace the OT coin toss with a player from each team scrambling to recover a fumbled ball like in the XFL. What could possibly go wrong?
I actually think that "spot-the-ball" overtime rule is getting there. My proposal: The coin-toss winner may spot the ball or have their opponent spot it. Then the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense at that spot. If you choose the offense's 1 yard line, they could just play defense and pin you back, but if you chose the 50 or in defensive territory, they'd take the ball and say thank you very much.
For the 4th and 15 rule, add this: You cannot be granted a first down on penalty. There would have to be some kind of rule to prevent defenses from just hacking a receiver every pass attempt, but I agree you can't have it when the offense cause just huck the ball down the field and pray for a PI call.
9 points is just 3 field goals. No extra scoragami. The single point for a kicked ball not being taken out of the end zone like in the CFL is the only way to get more scoragami. Everything else has a multiple of 2 or 3 attached to it by default and there’s already all kinds of ways to get multiples of 2 and 3. To get more scoragami there needs to be a way to score 1 or 5 points at a time. Nobody will ever record a 1 point safety in the NFL so that doesn’t count.
IIRC the Onside Kick rule would replace all kickoffs, not just onside attempts. A "regular kickoff" would just be punting, an "onside" would be going for it, and a "surprise onside" would be a fake punt. I think that's slightly better, although I would make it a 4th and 20 to make it a bit harder
I like the version of the 4th and 15 rule where each team gets one use per game (which was one version of the proposal, I'm not sure if it's the one that made it to the competition committee though). I understand not wanting to make it an option on *every* kickoff (for the reasons the video highlights), but a single-use version limits a lot of those issues.
the touchback rule makes so much sense. If the ball stays in the end zone its a touchdown, but if I catch the ball, fall, and it goes out of bounds its a foul? so no risk/reward or incentive to even try?
Can you imagine the ravens winning that overtime rule putting their defense out there with the ball on the goal line just looking for a safety to end the game. That sounds like some old-school XFL stuff Vince McMahon came up with.
I’ll be that guy. If you ask concussion docs and other head trauma experts - as well as ex-players - they will tell you that if you removed the face mask you will likely see a huge drop in illegal hits with and to the head. Simply put, if guys are going to have to risk having their faces destroyed to make a tackle they can easily make more safely they will not risk their faces.
Yes, but not in a good way. The 3-pt. goal in basketball makes sense because it's trivial to advance the ball to inside of that arc. In football, why would you want to penalize a team for getting closer to the other goal line?
Let cut blocks back in for OL lineman. Keep PATs same as past few yrs. Change the touchback of an offensice fumble to what is mentioned in the video. Better info/define to teams fefs/crews/coaching staffs of what are and what is not penalties with live footage and death by powerpoint… i.e. before camps etc. Eliminate targeting to anything clearly a spear shot to the head. Penalize stiff arms from offensive players that would be a facemask penalty by a defense, Adopt /Utilize College pass interfence rules/calls.. i.e. not spot fouls. Let defensice players be allowed to tackle again before having to guess where the oppenent might fall/be or their intent. Move the kickoffs back to the 25 , allow wedges to be made, clearly define what is and is not control of a catch and provide video to all and leave no gray area. When say kicking a FG and off. is just coming off a timout.. Opposing coach cannot call timeout with less than 5 sec on play clock, Being in a team that can 100% determine if the ball broke the goal line aka use tech widely available… not 628473 shi$$y angles from field crews. Require all refs to have a compentensy review before each season along with a vision test worse that 20/20 have them available options and if still cannot pass , well.. its a business. Let players obtain 2nd,3rd opinions outside “team” physicians without pressure or prosecution. Allow wives, children, mom, dad and 1 other immdiate family member either free tickets or at a substancial reducment of ticket price at general stadium seating and cut parking costs as well as consessions minus alchohol at all events.
Honestly i like the 4th and 15 the way the XFL/UFL do it. It can only be done in the 4th quarter and if you are trailing. It is also from your own 28 yard line and a PI call is only a spot fowl within 15 yards.
Im all in favor of actually removing facemasks because the more protection a player has been given through the years is directly related to the more reckless players have become with tackling. Tackling used to be an artform and nowadays its just throwing yourself at the other player recklessly.
@@patmckee3173He does have a point though. Look at the goofballs coming up through HS and college today who can’t tackle shit and end up injuring themselves or others.
*Thank you* for publicizing #3, that 1953 proposal! For decades I've wanted football to do exactly that: count a TD as 7 and proceed to the kickoff. I had not known the NFL had considered that in 1953, the year before I was born. Why do you consider that proposal terrible? #4, eliminating the face mask/bar in 1955, was quite serious and was considered in subsequent years by the NCAA as well. After about 5 years that idea stopped being taken seriously by NCAA and Federation, but every decade or so it comes into people's minds again as a way to get the players to stop putting their heads in the way of tackling, blocking, and ballcarrying. I don't know why you think it's a dumb idea; it may turn out to be good or bad, but needs to be tried to find out.
I think his argument is that the XP/2P is a key variable in football (even if the XP is a high percentage one) and we'd lose it. You can debate that, of course.
@@workingclassrunner I know. My opinion for the past 30 years or so, especially after studying the history of the PAT, is that it's a bad thing to have a contest in which so many other skills and plays figure, to be decided by a set play that's a tiny slice of the game of football. It reminds me of quiz shows with gimmicky bonus scoring. I don't see an analog in other sports games, and the closest things they have to such an analog is tiebreakers such as penalty kick series in soccer, which I revile as well. In fact most tiebreakers of any kind I consider inferior to leaving the game tied. You do see a lot of concern with football tiebreakers in terms of trying to make them fair and yet involve a lot of game play but have them finish quickly; but still, unless you absolutely have to break a tie (in playoffs; but the final could be left tied), I think all tiebreakers in a game like football lessen the game. Football was on a historic path to abolish the extra point(s) up to early in the 20th Century, when they seem to have gotten cold feet or nostalgia and just couldn't complete its devaluation all the way to 0. I'm glad to see the NFL as late as 1953 still had interest in taking that last step. But football did come a long way from back when a touchdown didn't score any points directly, but just led to the ball's being put back in play by the team that touched it down.
I think they should’ve left the onside kick rule as is-you should never have to tell the other team what you’re gonna do and when you’re gonna do it…how f-king RIDICULOUS! ✋🏻
Agreed. Everyone argues that it should be just considered out of bounds but if you do that, than a fumble out of the back of your own end zone wouldn't be a safety since it's "just out of bounds". So it's gotta be one or the other
Watch the UFL. If you're down in the 4th quarter after a score, you can go for a 4th and 12 from your 28 to keep the ball. It's led to some great games.
Nine points for a touchdown would be cool, if it was just a three-point play from the 10, not a 50-yard kick after a two-point conversion. Also, I like the 4th-and-15 play, but I would make it only available if you're behind and/or during the fourth quarter, while also placing it at the 20. I would let leading teams use it in the 4th quarter because that could result in some interesting decisions. For example, if you're up by 8 or less, do you gamble with one play to play keep away or do you trust your defense to get a stop. I'll admit, I want these rules because I want to play around with them in Madden.
John Fox is the king of fucking up the touchback rule. Once challenged a play hoping the Bears would get a TD, officials instead saw the ball pop out early and ruled a touchback 🤦♂️
So I think the 2+1 rule could work if it's an all or nothing thing. If a team makes a 2pt conversion they could attempt a 50 yd extra point but if they miss they also lose the two point conversion.
Why would the Packers of all teams propose an end to the touchback rule? Seems like the Raiders or Saints would, but the Packers have actually benefitted from it more than we've lost from it
I actually think a 4th and 15 from the 20 would be a good replacement for ALL kickoffs, and would eliminate the kickoff problem of too many touchbacks, the play being too dangerous when the ball lands in play, etc. It's almost impossible to punt a ball 80 yards to the end zone, and most of the time going for it that far back just isn't a good idea. Field position only becomes a problem if your punter shanks/squibs/pooches it, or gets blocked. And yes, I'd make any PI just a flat penalty on that play, either reduce it to 5-10 yards or make it 4th and 20 so it's not an automatic 1st down when it's called.
The only way a team could go for 2 and then try a long kick is if they lose a point by missing. Also, they have to kick from 60 yards away, not 50. That would make it more interesting. Also, any kick over 65 yards should be 4 points. I mean, only Justin Tucker would make it, but still, gotta reward that sort of thing.
They actually had a rule in NFL Europe where a 50+ yard FG counted as four points but that whole league was bizarro world. The fans would go nuts for a punt.
I think overtime should be 1 team starting from the 50. They either score, get stopped or the defense scores (game over) the second team get to start from the 50. They either score more points, or get stopped and the game (if not tied) is over. If the Second team is stopped from their 50 yard try and the game is tied it is now sudden death and next score wins. If the second team scores and the game is still tied, they kick off and it is next score wins or clock runs out and the game is tied.
Football is blocking, tackling, passing and receiving. It's 11 guys trying to move a ball to one end of a field and 11 other guys trying to prevent them from doing so. Got it? So the 11 guys get close but can't reach the end zone. What to do? Easy: quit playing football for one down and play SOCCER. That's right, just let a soccer player come in and kick the ball between the goal posts. Kickers aren't football players, and field goals and 1-point conversions aren't football. Why not replace the goal posts with a backboard and hoop, and bring in Steph Curry to make a 3-point shot? Same thing.
@@matthewcrispinwordofGodthat is entirely irrelevant to the point I was making, funny how expected this to be the response btw. Nothing about what is important which is Dan Campbells improvement year to year and a giants fan having the nerve to talk shit. Disclaimer : not a lions fan just find it annoying the constant disrespect to a coach who has consistently gotten better.
@@blairdecker3735 Typical for the lions, When a team is shit for so long, people don’t want to believe they are ACTUALLY getting better, so they find some weird nit pick to call the team/coach/players shit. Happens to teams like the Browns, Jets, Texans, and a few others I can’t remember off the top of my head lol
One rule that I think has to go is that the ground can't cause a fumble. I you can hold on to the ball when guys are trying to rip it out of your arms you should be able to hold on to it when you hit the ground.
Question: Is it possible to discuss anything in sports, without calling somebody racist? + When did your country pass a law, to make it mandatory to bring up racism, transphobism and 'China stole our industry', even if there is no context to the subject at hand. Non-US-Americans desperatly want to understand!
In the afc championship game, zay flowers didn't fumble out of the endzone resulting in a touchback. L'jarius Sneed forced a fumble just before the endzone and it was recovered inside the endzone by the chiefs. That is not the same rule as the ball never went out of bounds. You could have used Mecole hardman fumbling out of the endzone against Buffalo just the week before and you would have actually used a play that aligns with the rule you're talking about
A touchdown should be worth 7, but you can still "go for 2" but sacrificing 1 point for the 2 point try. There is no reason to kick an extra point as it makes the kicker a more important position and they should do whatever it takes to make kickers less important. Everyone hates losing because of a kicker miss.
I agree we need more weird scores, but that name scoreagami makes no sense. We aren’t folding the scores into little paper cranes. (gami = paper) It would make more sense to call it score bingo, since that’s exactly what it is, but I agree that scoragami sounds cooler. And yes, I’ve seen the Jon Bois video.
I like general idea of 4th and 15 instead of kickoffs. But more like 4th and 20 or 25. Better than the new rules we are getting. And way better than useless on-side kicks. The most useless overrated play in the game. It’s like a bad gambler down to his last $20 betting on a single number in roulette. The very rare time it works doesn’t offset the vast majority of times it doesn’t.
True. But from goal line to goal line, the team whose player fumbled the ball retains possession if it goes out of bounds. The touchback in case of the ball's going out of bounds beyond the goal line is inconsistent and severe. When the defense recovers in their end zone, *then* a touchback is appropriate.
Leave my coach alone dude! Jealousy and anger does not look kind on you. First, we all have seen the videos and angles, the reporting incident in Dallas is on the referee. And secondly I’m sorry Dan is more aggressive than most coaches, he likes to put the mental and numerical dagger in teams, just who he is. The improper throwing of challenges and making rule mistakes are for ALL the old Lion regimes.
@@ronniesummers2562Yeah, so am I. Iirc he doesn’t believe the Lions are gonna get back to that position again Not that it matters, we have been 3-13-1, 9-8 and 12-5 in three years Giants have been 4-13, 9-7-1, and back down to 6-11
You’re 100% wrong here. Getting rid of the face mask would cause more injuries to the face and when these pretty boys realize that their face is their money maker you would stop leading with the head forever. Rugby snd AFL play without pads and I think a lot of injuries would be prevented if you when padless because players would be in more control. Yes Rugby and AFL have less injuries and less concussions, but yes they are still violent and you can get injured.
boohoo, dan campbell choked but for some reason he gets a pass because yall love to treat the lions like a disabled little brother, first time they've done anything in 30 years and now everyone wanna treat them like a princess
Just from observing the Lions will most likely be even better this year now that they'll have a secondary. Drafted best 2 rated corners backs, signed 2 solid corner backs in free agency, and drafted a solid safety to pair with Branch. They had the 31st pass defense last year, after losing there top 2 corners to injury for the season.
Bro literally chocked in the NFC championship game and even in the Dallas game yes the ref made a big mistake but they had a chance to kick a field goal. Hes a good coach but aint going go far when he fuck up things and is very aggressive
Lions fans mad that they catch strays but when it happens to anyone else its completely fine lmao yall literally want to be treated like babies its sad
I love the touchback rule. Hold onto the f***in ball and it won't need to be enforced!
Exactly! Offenses have so many advantages already so they need one very punishing rule against them. Just don't fumble.
@@johnchedsey1306 especially when a fumble literally anywhere else on the field works in favor of the offense.
Nope. Wrong. It's stupid. If you fumble forward and out of bounds, it should come back to the spot of the fumble.
Every fumble that goes ob should go to the defense I don’t understand how that’s not the rule
Nope you’re wrong Conor. The offense could just be care free with the football if you just hand them the ball back after fumbling at the 1. Soft mindset you have
surprise onside kicks were gnarly when it happened. sad its gone
One of the best plays in the history of the superbowl
The fumble into the end zone rule should stay. The game favors the offense so much, that is just a 1/10000 opportunity for the defense to have a shot. And it's exciting. People just hate it because their team can't hold onto the ball.
No idea why you're going for all the Dan Campbell hate this video. Of all the current and former coaches known for fucking up decisions, you choose him?
It’s just a funny dig lol don’t take it to serious. I’m sure he’s mostly kidding
Cuz it's teasing. And funny. That said, I'd want Dan Campbell as my coach.
It's kind of weird having the Lions blazed on for something other than just being consistently sh*tty for a change. We must be doing something right. Considering what Brad Holmes and Dan Campbell have done with the Lions in 3 years, after over a half century of pain and misery, maybe Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll should take notes. 🤷♂🤣
Hang on to Dan Campbell. I think he's the best coach you guys have had in my lifetime.
If I had it my way, I'd make a rule saying "No automatic 1st downs from penalties unless the yardage gained is enough to provide a 1st down."
When a team is backed up 3rd & long (or even 4th & long) and they're gifted a completely new set of downs from some dumb penalty, it feels wrong. If the 5 to 15 penalty yards are enough, cool. Otherwise, replay the same down.
I would like to see that offensive penalties are loss of downs like Offensive PI should be a loss of downs and not a redo basically.
It used to be an offensive penalty committed downfield (illegal block for instance) was brought back and marched off from the line of scrimmage.
what would stop defenses from committing penalties on purpose then? "Hey, they're 4 and 25 & that 27 yard pass would've given them the first down, so f**k the WRs up!" It would increase penalties at the potential cost of the health of the players - and we know the NFL is increasingly pro-health (wink-wink).
@mudman619 I don't get it, how would that increase penalties? If they're 4th & 25 & you commit a 10 yard penalty, it'll then be 4th & 15. They don't deserve a fresh set of downs based on that.
If they commit PI and it's 25 yards down field, then they'll get a 1st down based on yardage.
@ColtonGoertz I agree with that. I also go back & forth on intentional grounding, which I feel should be a spot foul like PI, not a flat 10 yards (unless it's near the goal line).
If the QB is about to be sacked, mark the penalty where the sack would've occurred. If that's 15 yards back, so be it. If it's 5 yards back, same thing. Loss of down too of course.
While George Marshall was an idiot, there have been multiple doctors that have said they felt football would be actually safer without face masks people would be less likely to lead with their helmets.
I wonder if there's a compromise, though. maybe an NHL facemask that doesn't have the heft?
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Kind of like how apparently bare knuckled boxing leads to less major injuries, at least to the head and brain, because they don't hit the head due to the risk of breaking their hands and not having padded fists
Seems too many are willing to take small chances on a broken neck or brain damage rather than a larger chance on broken noses or teeth.
Maybe leave them on linemen and remove them from skill players? Can’t imagine how painful being on the line with no mask would be
People don’t talk about how Don Beebe’s strip on Leon Lett in Super Bowl 27 was a touchback
It would’ve meant a lot less if that only resulted in the cowboys getting the ball at the Bills’ eleven
Yeah. That Beebe play was pure heart in what was otherwise a lousy effort by the Bills. I've always respected him for not giving up on it.
@@stuartdollar9912
There are stories that peewee coaches all over the country showed that play to their teams to instill in them a sense of perseverance and hustle
dan campbell keeps catching strays 😭
These ain't strays bro, these are locked on missiles
I felt like cheapsots didn't it ?
Ad Hominem attacks are signs of jealousy and concession that the target is better.
@@JayHillardconsidering 5 points is a Giants fan this is definitely true but as a Chiefs fan I love it when DC gets shit on because of how overrated he is lol
drewsommerville9152 Like how Andy Reid mahomes kelce and the chiefs are overrated?
Seriously dude why is Dan catching so many strays in this video. Like wtf man????
Getting rid of helmets and pads would make the game so much safer. Players won't put their bodies in danger with no protection. Just look at rugby.
C'mon, the ref F'ed it up not Dan. Did I click on a Grossi video by mistake?
The Lions never would have got a final scoring drive if the ref made the correct call for tripping on Aiden Hutchinson. That call against the Lions at the end was karma.
@@matthewcrispinwordofGodSo a horrible call by the refs is ok because they had a previous horrible call? As if two wrongs make a right?
Genuinely shut up, that’s the same stupid logic that Packers fans used to counter the blatant PI that wasn’t called during their game against the chiefs
“WELL THERE WAS A BAD CALL IN FAVOR OF THE CHIEFS SO ITS OK” no…it’s not
@owl104 You're just saying that because it's the Lions. Any other team and you wouldn't even care.
@@matthewcrispinwordofGod I’m saying that logic would be stupid for ANY team
Why would a bad call suddenly be a good call if there was a previous bad call? Thats not “Karma” that’s just stupid logic
@@matthewcrispinwordofGod Ref looked directly at him and called a different number. Not the same as a no call.
I didn't clarify, but I was refering to the eligible player call. Not the tuck rule, process of the catch, or an uncalled trip.
"Seat belts cost more lives than they save." - George Preston Marshall (probably)
Ummm look up "Peltzman Effect"
I hate the new kickoff rule for this off season.
I actually like the 4th and 15 rule. The UFL uses it but with conditions attached and it works really well!
I have to respectfully disagree with you, it artificially creates close games when a team has built a multi score lead. It makes playing better for 3 quarters feel like it’s almost useless.
I prefer the entertainment of the 4th and 15 rule. Even if a tad unbalanced.
It'd be like putting your whole second string offense in for your teams final play of the game. Not fun.
Just ask the 49ers about that.
The Chiefs would convert every time
@@jameseubanks3477I love the rule in the ufl because it keeps the games close and entertaining. I wouldn’t want it at all in the nfl because I would go through a lot of tvs when mahomes was converting them and romo was verbally ejaculating all over the booth.
@@Sea_Stallion KC converted about half the time on 4th down last season.
I'm actually with the idea of the 4th and 15 concept with one caveat -- only a team that's behind can use it, only once. I think there's got to be something to keep people from heading to the gates when a team is down by 10 with two minutes to play, but if a team has jumped ahead by three scores, I think they've earned the right to play the seniors.
Ed Hochuli knows about over powering people
The 4th and 15 instead of the onside kick is a good idea. Onside kicks are basically impossible now due to the formatting update. So it would help the game. I would also make OT a full 15 min quarter. No matter who scores a TD first
7:12 when the taco bell food poisoning hits
3:14 I was at the game, they never called it, worst officials I ever saw in my life, they ended up stealing the game from us by penalizing us for a blocked field goal even though the play was clean.
For the surprise onside kicks, you should have used footage from the Seahawks-Packers NFCCG. No video on the topic would be complete without giving Tom PTSD.
Also fuck it. The NFL should replace the OT coin toss with a player from each team scrambling to recover a fumbled ball like in the XFL. What could possibly go wrong?
Sadly it might cause injuries
QB sneak on a 3rd and 9 🤣
I actually think that "spot-the-ball" overtime rule is getting there. My proposal: The coin-toss winner may spot the ball or have their opponent spot it. Then the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense at that spot. If you choose the offense's 1 yard line, they could just play defense and pin you back, but if you chose the 50 or in defensive territory, they'd take the ball and say thank you very much.
For the 4th and 15 rule, add this: You cannot be granted a first down on penalty. There would have to be some kind of rule to prevent defenses from just hacking a receiver every pass attempt, but I agree you can't have it when the offense cause just huck the ball down the field and pray for a PI call.
9 points is just 3 field goals. No extra scoragami.
The single point for a kicked ball not being taken out of the end zone like in the CFL is the only way to get more scoragami.
Everything else has a multiple of 2 or 3 attached to it by default and there’s already all kinds of ways to get multiples of 2 and 3.
To get more scoragami there needs to be a way to score 1 or 5 points at a time.
Nobody will ever record a 1 point safety in the NFL so that doesn’t count.
IIRC the Onside Kick rule would replace all kickoffs, not just onside attempts. A "regular kickoff" would just be punting, an "onside" would be going for it, and a "surprise onside" would be a fake punt. I think that's slightly better, although I would make it a 4th and 20 to make it a bit harder
There you go, if kickoffs are so unsafe, then they should make kickoffs more like punts
I still can't believe Joe Judge did that.
I can believe that because he is an idiot
I like the version of the 4th and 15 rule where each team gets one use per game (which was one version of the proposal, I'm not sure if it's the one that made it to the competition committee though). I understand not wanting to make it an option on *every* kickoff (for the reasons the video highlights), but a single-use version limits a lot of those issues.
I actually like the spot and choose OT idea: a lot of strategy would be in play
I feel like I haven’t seen a coffin corner in a while
Just kicks that settle or are tipped inside the five
I think he's still upset over the miracle in the Meadowlands when he says you cannot convince me that a special teams play is the same as 3 stops lol
the touchback rule makes so much sense. If the ball stays in the end zone its a touchdown, but if I catch the ball, fall, and it goes out of bounds its a foul? so no risk/reward or incentive to even try?
One facemask made Antonio Brown enter the Matrix
Can you imagine the ravens winning that overtime rule putting their defense out there with the ball on the goal line just looking for a safety to end the game. That sounds like some old-school XFL stuff Vince McMahon came up with.
I’ll be that guy. If you ask concussion docs and other head trauma experts - as well as ex-players - they will tell you that if you removed the face mask you will likely see a huge drop in illegal hits with and to the head. Simply put, if guys are going to have to risk having their faces destroyed to make a tackle they can easily make more safely they will not risk their faces.
I like the 4 and 15 rule. Onside kick is stupid.
I like the NFL Europe FG rule. Under 50 yds is 3 pts, over 50 yds is 4 pts. That would change so much concerning game strategy.
Yes, but not in a good way. The 3-pt. goal in basketball makes sense because it's trivial to advance the ball to inside of that arc. In football, why would you want to penalize a team for getting closer to the other goal line?
Let cut blocks back in for OL lineman. Keep PATs same as past few yrs. Change the touchback of an offensice fumble to what is mentioned in the video. Better info/define to teams fefs/crews/coaching staffs of what are and what is not penalties with live footage and death by powerpoint… i.e. before camps etc. Eliminate targeting to anything clearly a spear shot to the head. Penalize stiff arms from offensive players that would be a facemask penalty by a defense, Adopt /Utilize College pass
interfence rules/calls.. i.e. not spot fouls. Let defensice players be allowed to tackle again before having to guess where the oppenent might fall/be or their intent. Move the kickoffs back to the 25 , allow wedges to be made, clearly define what is and is not control of a catch and provide video to all and leave no gray area. When say kicking a FG and off. is just coming off a timout.. Opposing coach cannot call timeout with less than 5 sec on play clock, Being in a team that can 100% determine if the ball broke the goal line aka use tech widely available… not 628473 shi$$y angles from field crews. Require all refs to have a compentensy review before each season along with a vision test worse that 20/20 have them available options and if still cannot pass , well.. its a business. Let players obtain 2nd,3rd opinions outside “team” physicians without pressure or prosecution. Allow wives, children, mom, dad and 1 other immdiate family member either free tickets or at a substancial reducment of ticket price at general stadium seating and cut parking costs as well as consessions minus alchohol at all events.
Did Dan Campbell hurt you lol
The Lions had more success than the Giants last year so yes
Honestly i like the 4th and 15 the way the XFL/UFL do it. It can only be done in the 4th quarter and if you are trailing. It is also from your own 28 yard line and a PI call is only a spot fowl within 15 yards.
Im all in favor of actually removing facemasks because the more protection a player has been given through the years is directly related to the more reckless players have become with tackling. Tackling used to be an artform and nowadays its just throwing yourself at the other player recklessly.
Respectfully watch soccer ain’t nobody wasting they time doin tht😂😂
@@patmckee3173He does have a point though. Look at the goofballs coming up through HS and college today who can’t tackle shit and end up injuring themselves or others.
I have thought the same thing . No face mask and not to many players are gonna lead with their heads anymore
*Thank you* for publicizing #3, that 1953 proposal! For decades I've wanted football to do exactly that: count a TD as 7 and proceed to the kickoff. I had not known the NFL had considered that in 1953, the year before I was born. Why do you consider that proposal terrible?
#4, eliminating the face mask/bar in 1955, was quite serious and was considered in subsequent years by the NCAA as well. After about 5 years that idea stopped being taken seriously by NCAA and Federation, but every decade or so it comes into people's minds again as a way to get the players to stop putting their heads in the way of tackling, blocking, and ballcarrying. I don't know why you think it's a dumb idea; it may turn out to be good or bad, but needs to be tried to find out.
I think his argument is that the XP/2P is a key variable in football (even if the XP is a high percentage one) and we'd lose it. You can debate that, of course.
@@workingclassrunner I know. My opinion for the past 30 years or so, especially after studying the history of the PAT, is that it's a bad thing to have a contest in which so many other skills and plays figure, to be decided by a set play that's a tiny slice of the game of football. It reminds me of quiz shows with gimmicky bonus scoring. I don't see an analog in other sports games, and the closest things they have to such an analog is tiebreakers such as penalty kick series in soccer, which I revile as well. In fact most tiebreakers of any kind I consider inferior to leaving the game tied. You do see a lot of concern with football tiebreakers in terms of trying to make them fair and yet involve a lot of game play but have them finish quickly; but still, unless you absolutely have to break a tie (in playoffs; but the final could be left tied), I think all tiebreakers in a game like football lessen the game.
Football was on a historic path to abolish the extra point(s) up to early in the 20th Century, when they seem to have gotten cold feet or nostalgia and just couldn't complete its devaluation all the way to 0. I'm glad to see the NFL as late as 1953 still had interest in taking that last step. But football did come a long way from back when a touchdown didn't score any points directly, but just led to the ball's being put back in play by the team that touched it down.
Wow! Yeah I'm glad that these rule changes did not happen because that would have really messed with the game for sure
I mean onside kicks are basically impossible I would much rather have a 4th & 20 or 4th & 25 instead so teams have a better chance at a comeback.
Legend Bowl did the onside conversion thing and it's really useful when you use it right
I think they should’ve left the onside kick rule as is-you should never have to tell the other team what you’re gonna do and when you’re gonna do it…how f-king RIDICULOUS! ✋🏻
I actually don't mind the touchback rule as is.
Yes. One of the few rules that favors the defense
Same. For the reason that @loganmattoon5284 stated.
Agreed, the offense doesn't need help in the modern NFL
@@loganmattoon5284Does not favor the defense so much as it adds a risk element to the offense.
Agreed. Everyone argues that it should be just considered out of bounds but if you do that, than a fumble out of the back of your own end zone wouldn't be a safety since it's "just out of bounds". So it's gotta be one or the other
The 4th and 15 instead of the onside would be awesome
Watch the UFL. If you're down in the 4th quarter after a score, you can go for a 4th and 12 from your 28 to keep the ball. It's led to some great games.
@@petertrudelljr it's also kinda made leads pointless, I think 4th and 12 is a bit too short
@@BroncosCountry58 Seems like a rule that reduces the amount of garbage time would be good.
Nothing about the new NFL kickoff rule? Wait, save that for terrible rules the NFL DID inflict.
Nine points for a touchdown would be cool, if it was just a three-point play from the 10, not a 50-yard kick after a two-point conversion.
Also, I like the 4th-and-15 play, but I would make it only available if you're behind and/or during the fourth quarter, while also placing it at the 20. I would let leading teams use it in the 4th quarter because that could result in some interesting decisions. For example, if you're up by 8 or less, do you gamble with one play to play keep away or do you trust your defense to get a stop.
I'll admit, I want these rules because I want to play around with them in Madden.
John Fox is the king of fucking up the touchback rule.
Once challenged a play hoping the Bears would get a TD, officials instead saw the ball pop out early and ruled a touchback 🤦♂️
Isn't that 4th and 15 attempt a rule in the UFL? Or was a rule in either the XFL or USFL?
Yews it is in the UFL
@@AndrewH1220 thanks couldn't remember
So I think the 2+1 rule could work if it's an all or nothing thing. If a team makes a 2pt conversion they could attempt a 50 yd extra point but if they miss they also lose the two point conversion.
Would like to see videos like this for the other leagues
Helmets cause injuries. See: Rugby. They know how to tackle.
Why would the Packers of all teams propose an end to the touchback rule? Seems like the Raiders or Saints would, but the Packers have actually benefitted from it more than we've lost from it
I actually think a 4th and 15 from the 20 would be a good replacement for ALL kickoffs, and would eliminate the kickoff problem of too many touchbacks, the play being too dangerous when the ball lands in play, etc. It's almost impossible to punt a ball 80 yards to the end zone, and most of the time going for it that far back just isn't a good idea. Field position only becomes a problem if your punter shanks/squibs/pooches it, or gets blocked.
And yes, I'd make any PI just a flat penalty on that play, either reduce it to 5-10 yards or make it 4th and 20 so it's not an automatic 1st down when it's called.
You know what? I need more math while I down a six-pack during the game.
I like the 50yrd extra point, but if u miss you don’t keep the original 2pt. It’ll either evaporate or goto the defensive team
The only way a team could go for 2 and then try a long kick is if they lose a point by missing. Also, they have to kick from 60 yards away, not 50. That would make it more interesting.
Also, any kick over 65 yards should be 4 points. I mean, only Justin Tucker would make it, but still, gotta reward that sort of thing.
They actually had a rule in NFL Europe where a 50+ yard FG counted as four points but that whole league was bizarro world. The fans would go nuts for a punt.
I think overtime should be 1 team starting from the 50. They either score, get stopped or the defense scores (game over) the second team get to start from the 50. They either score more points, or get stopped and the game (if not tied) is over. If the Second team is stopped from their 50 yard try and the game is tied it is now sudden death and next score wins. If the second team scores and the game is still tied, they kick off and it is next score wins or clock runs out and the game is tied.
Football is blocking, tackling, passing and receiving. It's 11 guys trying to move a ball to one end of a field and 11 other guys trying to prevent them from doing so. Got it? So the 11 guys get close but can't reach the end zone. What to do? Easy: quit playing football for one down and play SOCCER. That's right, just let a soccer player come in and kick the ball between the goal posts. Kickers aren't football players, and field goals and 1-point conversions aren't football. Why not replace the goal posts with a backboard and hoop, and bring in Steph Curry to make a 3-point shot? Same thing.
Lot of talk about Dan Campbell from a giants fan. How’s missing the playoffs. Plus he had the most successful season in lions history.
Your most successful season was a blown 23-7 lead?
The Giants have won superbowls. Can the Lions say the same?
@@TytanizedAh yes because the Lions are the only ones to ever have had blown leads, clearly dan Campbell is the worst coach in the league!
@@matthewcrispinwordofGodthat is entirely irrelevant to the point I was making, funny how expected this to be the response btw. Nothing about what is important which is Dan Campbells improvement year to year and a giants fan having the nerve to talk shit. Disclaimer : not a lions fan just find it annoying the constant disrespect to a coach who has consistently gotten better.
@@blairdecker3735 Typical for the lions, When a team is shit for so long, people don’t want to believe they are ACTUALLY getting better, so they find some weird nit pick to call the team/coach/players shit. Happens to teams like the Browns, Jets, Texans, and a few others I can’t remember off the top of my head lol
I bet the Buffalo Bills wish that field goal rule was effective in 1990 🤭🤭
Too funny. I literally am watching this video with your doppelganger next to me. Too bad I can't upload a pick here. You would have to agree. 🤷🤷
One rule that I think has to go is that the ground can't cause a fumble. I you can hold on to the ball when guys are trying to rip it out of your arms you should be able to hold on to it when you hit the ground.
Question: Is it possible to discuss anything in sports, without calling somebody racist?
+ When did your country pass a law, to make it mandatory to bring up racism, transphobism and 'China stole our industry', even if there is no context to the subject at hand.
Non-US-Americans desperatly want to understand!
He said lions coach would somehow fuck it up. But in the end they bleeped out his cussing? wtf?!
A team has to get f-ked before a rule is re-written-Buffalo fan entering the chat! 👀
In the afc championship game, zay flowers didn't fumble out of the endzone resulting in a touchback. L'jarius Sneed forced a fumble just before the endzone and it was recovered inside the endzone by the chiefs. That is not the same rule as the ball never went out of bounds. You could have used Mecole hardman fumbling out of the endzone against Buffalo just the week before and you would have actually used a play that aligns with the rule you're talking about
I am glad we didn't get these tweaks. So is Joe Judge, which worries me a little.
A touchdown should be worth 7, but you can still "go for 2" but sacrificing 1 point for the 2 point try. There is no reason to kick an extra point as it makes the kicker a more important position and they should do whatever it takes to make kickers less important. Everyone hates losing because of a kicker miss.
What's wrong with making a TD 7 -- always 7, and no option to make it more or less?
4th and 15 should be a rule. Since now it almost impossible to get an onside kick successful.
MOMMMM says hi, fool.
Well, he's right. I hate the touchback rule because it screwed my team over on offense last year. But objectively speaking...
Incredible ending.
And... the UFL spit on this video with their punt rule
I agree we need more weird scores, but that name scoreagami makes no sense. We aren’t folding the scores into little paper cranes. (gami = paper) It would make more sense to call it score bingo, since that’s exactly what it is, but I agree that scoragami sounds cooler.
And yes, I’ve seen the Jon Bois video.
Get rid of the NFL Commissioner !!!
I like general idea of 4th and 15 instead of kickoffs. But more like 4th and 20 or 25. Better than the new rules we are getting. And way better than useless on-side kicks. The most useless overrated play in the game. It’s like a bad gambler down to his last $20 betting on a single number in roulette. The very rare time it works doesn’t offset the vast majority of times it doesn’t.
Damn I'm early af 😂😂
We haven't seen it's final form.
I know this comment isn't football related but REJOICE FIVE! Angel Hernandez is gone from baseball! The wicked witch of the zebras is finally dead!
It's not a touch back unless the defense recovers or the ball goes out of the end zone
True. But from goal line to goal line, the team whose player fumbled the ball retains possession if it goes out of bounds. The touchback in case of the ball's going out of bounds beyond the goal line is inconsistent and severe. When the defense recovers in their end zone, *then* a touchback is appropriate.
@@goodmaro- Naa that opens up a can of worms. The rule is correct as is
@@RaiderNation816 What can of worms? And what does "correct" mean?
people who complain about touchback rules are silly. like you cant fumble a bar forwards indefinitely
Leave my coach alone dude! Jealousy and anger does not look kind on you. First, we all have seen the videos and angles, the reporting incident in Dallas is on the referee. And secondly I’m sorry Dan is more aggressive than most coaches, he likes to put the mental and numerical dagger in teams, just who he is. The improper throwing of challenges and making rule mistakes are for ALL the old Lion regimes.
Dan Campbell is the Best NFL Coach PERIOD
You'll see that this next season when the Detroit Lions Win the Super Bowl !!! FEEL THE ROAR !!!
I feel like Five Points does not like Dan Campbell
You hope it’s teasing but…idk lol
@@owl104 im a Lions fan so its throwing me off 😂 i thought it was gonna be like 2 jabs but he kept going lol
@@ronniesummers2562Yeah, so am I. Iirc he doesn’t believe the Lions are gonna get back to that position again
Not that it matters, we have been 3-13-1, 9-8 and 12-5 in three years
Giants have been 4-13, 9-7-1, and back down to 6-11
You’re 100% wrong here. Getting rid of the face mask would cause more injuries to the face and when these pretty boys realize that their face is their money maker you would stop leading with the head forever. Rugby snd AFL play without pads and I think a lot of injuries would be prevented if you when padless because players would be in more control. Yes Rugby and AFL have less injuries and less concussions, but yes they are still violent and you can get injured.
The Dan Campbell Fan Club is trying to reach you bc apparently you’re behind on your membership dues…
What's with all the Dan Campbell hate? How'd the Giants do again?
Also, first.
dan campbell is too much of a wildcard. and i think he knows his giants aren't good he doesn't need some random like you to tell him.
boohoo, dan campbell choked but for some reason he gets a pass because yall love to treat the lions like a disabled little brother, first time they've done anything in 30 years and now everyone wanna treat them like a princess
Just from observing the Lions will most likely be even better this year now that they'll have a secondary. Drafted best 2 rated corners backs, signed 2 solid corner backs in free agency, and drafted a solid safety to pair with Branch. They had the 31st pass defense last year, after losing there top 2 corners to injury for the season.
Bro literally chocked in the NFC championship game and even in the Dallas game yes the ref made a big mistake but they had a chance to kick a field goal. Hes a good coach but aint going go far when he fuck up things and is very aggressive
@@AndrewH1220tell me, how did playing conservatively and not aggressive in the slightest help the Ravens in their championship game?
I was going to make a comment but Dan Campbell fucked it up.
Dam Sun! Other than the touchback these rule changes suck worse than a Matt Dodge punt.....to the Eagles.
Why go out of the way to say the Redskins owner is “racist”??
Bad form, bro.
I’m biased against the touchback rule lol
Touchback is honestly a top 5 rule easy
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Lions fans mad that they catch strays but when it happens to anyone else its completely fine lmao yall literally want to be treated like babies its sad
Cool video !