@@MatthewRSimpson we've got these nice little socket head bolts, and not only do they have these beautiful flat washers, but also each one gets a happy little nylon safety nut
The things I like about the DOF Reality platforms are that they're compact (easy to fit inside existing sim seats) and the low cost. I can see me getting my feet into motion sims with this bit of kit. Great review!
i just knew about the brand, will not buy this in short moment even in the long term. not interested in the product technical reviews like this. but the presentation made me watch the video longer than i should. i felt educated in a strange way. thank you
Barry: Because you have all this experience using many different sim rigs, please consider making a video for us that helps us understand how we should adjust our rigs for proper ergonomics. What is the relationship of pedal height to seat height, how to adjust the height and distance of the wheel, pedal distance, monitor height, and distance, feet/shin angle in relation to the pedals, etc,. Nobody on YT has taken the time to explain a proper sim-rig setup. I understand everyone is different but there have to be some base-guidelines you follow when setting up these rigs that you review. Ergonomics can have a big impact on your racing, in the long run. Thanks for reading and considering this, Barry!
Hi Barry, so glad to hear you will be reviewing their H6 (6DOF) motion simulator. I hope you will elaborate more on the advantages between your D-Box 4 actuators setup vs DOFReality's 6DOF setup (e.g. when would you recommend one to go with the D-Box instead and vice-versa). You are probably the only one qualified to make such a comparison between them.
I switched from a 4250i dbox to a PT actuators 4dof+ traction loss, and have loved every second with it. A comparable d-box kit would be north of $30,000 for 6” of travel, where the PT kit cost right around $6000.
Orions96Cobra what kit did you go to? Can you share a link or video? And how has it help up in the last 3 months? I’d love a video if you could do one!
Why are you so incredibly intelligent? Man this was entirely too informative lol I love it! When you got to talking about the couplers and the shaft I was like this guy knows his shit 😯
Did he say $1200 shipped? Holy crap. That’s fantastic. It doesn’t look like it could accommodate heavy duty high end hardware or a lot of accessories but still. It would make a great flight simulator platform.
Great video as always. I just assembled an H3 yesterday and I noticed you can smooth it out a lot by turning the boost down as well as the accel and decel settings. After messing around with it for a while I was able to get a pretty decent setting for my favorite cars in iRacing and the software will remember and automatically load them up with the car. The wheel platform is unfortunately not acceptable for a direct drive wheel. Especially for a taller driver like me, I have to use it on the highest setting and it’s barely high enough. Also, not having a tilt feature is annoying and I’ll need to add a bracket for my wheel base. I have some ideas to either replace or augment the vertical tubes with 2020 profile to stiffen it up because that’s wheee most of the flex is. It should fit on there easily since it’s the same size. The wheel plate really should be 2-3 mm thicker and maybe aluminum if weight is an issue. I’d love to see them improve the design or see an aftermarket company make upgraded parts because it’s by far the weakest part of the platform. Everything else is good and worked right away with no issues. For the price, it’s really an incredible device and with VR the feeling is fantastic once your dial in the settings. I’m happy with it but it really works best with lighter wheelbases. The pedal platform is fine, should work for most pedal sets. I’m using Fanatec CSL and it feels good. For competitive drivers, you may want to stick to your 8020 rig. This is fun but after a couple hours it gets tiring and I haven’t really seen lap times improving even with traction loss. It feels great though. D-Box or other actuators are still the best solution for motion but it’s just so much more expensive. One last thing that Barry mentioned but didn’t talk about much: the seat balance is very important. Disconnect the rods from both motors at the bottom and sit in your seat so it is balanced when in the driving position. Left and right isn’t as important but make sure front to back is as balanced as possible, I used a seat slider to speed up the process. You will have a less jerky ride with better response if it’s balanced.
I have been using a P3 for many months with the Fanatec DD1 and it seems fine. I did put lower the steering wheel arms by cutting it and then making the wheel angled about 20 degrees to the wheel base. My compromise is the top of my Fanatec BMW wheel is about chin level but i use a 65" Oled TV so i can see more of the screen. Left/right balance was important as i use the gear&handbrake as unit was leaning to the heavier side. I ended up using a counterbalance on the other side and for the forward/back balance, i used a seat slider. With the DD1 and Fanatec inverted pedals, it was quite fortunate that i am balanced quite well at my ideal seating position. I wasn't offered any dampers when i got mine, just wondering if worth upgrading?
I have the the P3 and have added 4545 profile to the wheel base bracket and it solid with no flex now. The whole rig move as one if you try to flex it. The balance is adjustable for me as i have a sliding car seat and the motion works fine for me with the aditional weight. I also added triple 30" monitors to it that moved with the rig and the motion was still fine, it actually made the whole motion feel smoother. I removed it as i use vr the most when sim racing now and the reflections from the monitors was putting the vr out of sync.
Guys, just to be clear 2 DOF is not really ROLL and PITCH. You get all 6 effects like roll, pitch, sway, surge, heave and traction loss. The only thing is that we convert those 6 effects in 2 AXIS Read more about the effects you get in the post below. www.simracingstudio.com/forum
I was quite skeptical about the construction sturdiness of this motion platform, but it does appear to do the job quite well. The motion does look a bit jerky, but considering the price, it looks like a good deal to me. Excellent review as always.
Looks like a great first motion cockpit. I just upgraded from a Obutto R3volution (no motion) to the ESR P1 (also no motion) but this looks like a great direction to go next.
For the price and the complete package this is the best choiche in my opinion for a entry level motion platform.. Next level racing is still 3k for the cheapest one and it is only a seat mover without the stand.. next year I'm going to buy this dof reality, if they come out with an even stronger wheel stand even better! But in my opinion with some little diy it can be stronger
Yeah, but the rig, wheel and pedal deck looks way to weak, and not sure how well the motors would cope with the extra weight if you manage to make it more rigid?
@@RVRCloset i think that the aluminum from the 80/20 replacing the weak arms of the stand won't weight too much more. Those motors are strong By the way when racing I would never put 100% force in the profile booster. Most of the times it is too much and distracting
At the end of the video there, I can see the D-BOX actuator system beside it - how much was that again? $17K just for the 4 actuators? Big difference in price. Can't wait for the H6 review!!
I have the P3 - for about a year now. There is one good thing about these platforms: outstanding service. If you have any issues the support works very well. But: as a motion platform I would not buy it again. The movements are very edgy and the construction is not nearly stable enough for a direct drive wheelbase (or actually ANY other wheelbase). It flexes so much, it is close to unusable.
Marcel, do you fly or drive? Also, reference the flexing,what if the base. Was bolted down into the ground(not always possible) but would that eliminate the flexing? Thank you!
There is an Extra wheel support bracket for this product. I wish he had reviewed it as well (i would love to see if that will make the wheel plate more rigid).
It looks very interesting, and you could probably stiffen the wheel base by adding a bar between your legs. I wonder how hard it is to mount a monitor to it as well though...
You can mount a monitor to it, but be careful with the weight (I believe they mention 150kg max load?). You should probably go for the more heavy-duty P2 motors instead of the consumer-level H2 motors due to the strain from the extra mass. Also, you'll need to rebalance the universal joint in relation to the new center of mass so that the seat is mostly in balance when you're sitting in it and the monitor is mounted. Johnny Tech Gear mounted a triple monitor setup on his P3 rig, see the second half of this video: th-cam.com/video/gz8i9lYWZcY/w-d-xo.htmlm55s
Using a dof H3 here with the add on dampers which make a lot of difference and take away the snatching of the motors. \i do find the adjustment on the dampers has almost be on max to make any difference though. The rear drift wheel assb has been been beefed up from other reviews on it from the past. Using any roll on simracing studio settings on car sim racing seems weird as having any roll in a car would be as driving a 2cv or Morris 1000. Surge ,acc,brake,traction loss,heave all work well on Dirt2 race room ,R Factor,accetto and Forza 4 in xbox mode with Fanatec is great! I bought a Sparco seat with runners and is a direct fit on the rig from Demon Tweeks. For the price it is great!
Yes please! It would be great to hear Barry's opinion on SFX-100. I'm building one right now, and I'm already impressed by the sturdiness of the actuators. I wasn't sure what to expect exactly, but love for DIY motivated me to try. It's coming in together quickly. Biggest detractor is probably sourcing all the parts (easy but takes time to arrive from all the vendors) and 3D printing parts (can be time consuming, but instead can be ordered from people who printed dozens of them already, for not much more than cost of the materials). All in all I'm very excited, now waiting only for the motor couplings before I can try it out. Would love to hear Barry's opinion on how SFX-100 compares to all the high end hardware he has experience with 😊
@@tehgusbus2716 there are 6 different parts that need to be 3D printed for SFX-100, 4 copies of each (one for each actuator) for a total print time of somewhere around 200 hours. Those parts are: slider, bump stop, fixed bearing mount, linear bearing mount, motor mount, foot. It comes to around 4 full filament spools. Print settings are very important, those parts need to be strong, so skimping on the settings to save filament won't do any good (and it's good to check the quality of those parts if ordering them to be printed somewhere). I got them from a fellow Sim racer offering his services (great quality, very fair price) on some of the Sim forums 😊 PM me if you'd like his contact info.
Trust me I have the DOF P3 with traction loss and it is horrible for dirt rally 2.0 and dirt rally... the traction loss is a joke and it clunks and bangs even on a low setting if you live in a flat you will get complaints straight away from your neighbour even at low settings as it vibrates through the floor I can only use it at low settings around 25%... Have you thought why nobody is showing a decent video for rally games the answer is simple because it is awfull for rally games.
Other than QC / lower allowable tolerances (less backlash / slop in components), the change in motor / Gearbox combo should have had virtually no change in overall motion effects since the output rotational velocity after the gearbox is still the same. As stated, the M2 system you have (had) used a 3000RPM rated speed Motor and was coupled to a 50:1 GB, so the output speed after the GB is 60RPM (3000 / 50 = 60) For the H2, its a 1500 RPM rated speed Motor and is coupled to a 25:1 GB, so the output speed after the GB is also 60RPM (1500 / 25 = 60) If anything, I would suspect the H2 to possibly be more jerky because of the lower peak operation speed in theory means less time to reach max speed. Now granted, there is also the full load torque output capability of each motor but I suspect (based on DOF Reality's spec) that the H2 Motors are higher torque so naturally will be able to accelerate to max speed faster and thus all other things being equal, it would be more jerky. All in all though, any changes in perceived motion would have to have come from Software and/or geometry changes between the two setups and the addition of the dampers. Speaking of dampers, unless I missed it, it was never mentioned that the clamp collars ultimately were moved so that the damper body's were not at the lowest position when the system was at rest. When I saw the mention of them initially being setup like that ( section starting at 25:00 minute mark) about them being bottomed out, I instantly knew that that was gonna restrict the system to only being able to pitch back (any other motion would be locked out since the dampers would have been bottomed out already).
I have a Omega GT RS9 seat. Will the holes on that line up with the holes pre drilled on this platform? I remember on the H2 motion platform you had to drill your holes because they were 200mm apart
Hey man How heavy is the whole thing aprox once is built? Would it be easy to move from room to room?? Im thinking to play in living room but once finished, transfer to garage or something?? Any tips?
@@simracinggarage3026 thanks for your quick reply. Ill order a pair a try myself. With regards to the rectangular bracket to connect the damper to the unit, is this part available or would I have to make myself?
thnx!!! Planned to get the P3! Looks excellent, for that price!!!! Thnx for your time and your videos ;-) Thumbs up, and... stay healthy ;-) EDITED: did you bought since the Extra wheel support bracket they sell? Did that stiffs the whel plate? TIA
Barry, thanks again for another excellent review. I have been eagerly waiting for your review of the H2 for a while and its as good as all your other reviews. I wanted to ask you your opinion: H2 vs no motion at all for driving feel. Which would you choose? If it helps for some context, I know motion wont make me any faster but I am interested in the immersion factor.
Nice vid again :) I must say that I can clearly see that when you break the rig tilts forward, not like the M2 of which never moved at all in that video !! Tell me is the upgrade 3rd axis providing Yaw worth it ???
Great review as always mr. Berry, I'm curious if you ever sell stuff that you review, as I think you live in Virginia it would be a short drive for me.
Witch one would go if you lived here in Australia the h3 Dof reality or the Simrig 1 3 dof as only $1000 different out here $5500 for the reality 3 dof or $6200 for the simrig 1 3 dof motion rig
Hi Barry after watching this video a couple months ago I decided to purchase the H2 especially due to the fact that you show the motors with a lot less play my I ask how long did you test the rig for because my motors seem to now have the same play as you showed in the M2 video? Hello again Barry thank you for not answering, but to anybody reading this in the months since I posted doff reality have offered no help in sorting out the issue I have with the excessive play in motor number one.
I just had my H2 built a few days ago and I can tell you mine is solid with no play. You cannot move those armatures at all. Also the software has been updated. Doesnt look anything like in this video. My platform is pretty smooth, not jerky like in this video. The software has intelitune for each specific car for every game so you can tune or dial in the recommended parameter adjustments or adjust to your liking and save it for that car. Very useful. They've added sway and heave adjustments as well as surge for more fine tuning. No need for H3 (yaw) if you're not doing drifting or rally type racing.
i have an H6...i got it in march....take a guess how many time i got to use it....with in the first week....one of the boards in the box burnt out...waited 3 weeks for replacement....board burnt out again on the second run, one hour into play time...waited another 3 weeks for replacement...then one of the motors blew on the next try after board came....support walked me through test for 3 days trying to see what the problem was...they didn't be-leave it was blown...i requested a new motor....they sent one....was a bitch to install....but the motor wasn't calibrated when they sent it....so i spent another two weeks with support with then trying to walk me through the calibration....did everything they said...even had the on team viewer so they could watch and see...still nothing...so now...the rig is sitting here with all the boxes and two motors shipped back to dof reality for calibration...if you are looking to get this rig...get the P version...the H version is garbage....non tested waist of money.....not a day goes by i don't regret this decision.
Okay, there are a few things i said in anger. in fact the reason it took so long was my own fault. DOF REALITY customer service is actually really really good! They replied promptly and tried everything in there power to get me up and running again....the delays were my own fault for not respond as promptly as they did. they should not be held accountable for my own mistake. and to this day they are still trying there best to see me satisfied. gremlins happen...and i'm not the most tech savvy person to fix these things so in all honesty i shouldn't have jumped down there throats the way i did. For what its worth .... before the problems started....it was the most fun I've had playing games and sims...and that is a fact.....for the price...it is a no brainier. i apologize.
Great review Barry. Been looking at a new rig and this is a very intriguing option as it's basically the same price as the P1-X with the advantage of movement. Obviously rigidity isn't even comparable, but wondering if it's a trade-off worth trying out. Big question is do you think 2 dof is enough for racing? Or is 3 dof required for a realistic feeling behind the wheel?
I have the P3 and have used it in 2 dof mode. The motion feels amazing even without the slip in the rear. But it does feel really good when the backend starts sliding when using 3 dof.
@@MsJonaruto Oh man, I didn't realize you were using one of these. Thanks for the info. I'm gonna hit you up for some additional info in the channel. ;)
There's an app for balancing the rig. Its very simple to use. Just sit in the rig and let the app calibrate. Adjust your sitting position until roll and pitch are within 10%
Just about to ask that myself. Being an owner of an NLR V3... the main purchasing factor (apart from price) was noise. The motor and clunking around is a tough sell with a wife an 3 very young kids sleeping in the rooms either side. The NLR V3 was notorious for being quiet. And the form factor fit the existing rig that I had. Not that I'm looking to change, but the NLR V3 is incredibly quiet and wife & children approved.
Does anybody know, if this kind of software is available open source? Just to create your own motion platform. I like the concept by the way. I think it does make much more sense, when the seat is moving with the wheel and the pedals.
Barry why the hell haven't you made you're own sim rig, I'm a sheet metal fabricator and making a sim rig is really easy, it's just the motors and the electrical stuff I have no clue about, I would say 20x20 box section is to small, least 30x30 but I'd use 50x50, with 4mm peddle plate, I'm impressed price to performance is amazing
@@hitman-yu1wm yh true, mine will not be movable after its put together as I'm bolting it to the wall aswell I want it solid as I will be buying a 30nm motor in the end
@@richysracing9524 it took us 4 years and many iterations to master it to this version. It looks simple but there are few thousand RnD hours and six figure investments behind it
^^ My thoughts exactly. Track driving at speed with rapid changes in weight distribution is pretty violent in my experience. I would have thought this would result in a more realistic simulator? Also the DOFreality seems to have a lot of movement vs some of the actuator systems that appear to barely move at all. Again something that one would think would add to realism?
Hello Barry, new subscriber here! I found your channel searching for info about those dof platforms, great review. I wanted to ask advice, since I'm about to buy a new rig, and I'm quite in doubt, weather go static (with the benefits of robustness) or low-cost dynamic (H2 you just reviewd). I know they are very different products, but would you suggest the H2, considering using it for 3-4 hours a week in total? Also, do you think the price difference between h2 and p2 is justified? The rig structure should be the same, if I got it correctly. Hope you can find the time to help me clear my doubts, thank you
Great review Barry. Thank you. Can you recommend some motion rig for (let say) about 2000$ ? Or should I spend these money rather on H PATTERN SHIFTER from Pros-Sim :-) ?
Barry in shill language ''It meats my expectations'' translation: looks like shit and works like one. Will fall apart after 20 minutes of play A waste of money. Thank you for onest review.
So you believe that Barry lies to us in his reviews? I heard nothing from him that would suggest this motion rig is in any way terrible. You should leave your biases out of these videos.
I have the DOF P3 with traction loss and it is horrible for dirt rally 2.0 and dirt rally... the traction loss is a joke and it clunks and bangs even on a low setting if you live in a flat you will get complaints straight away from your neighbor even at low settings as it vibrates through the floor I can only use it at low settings around 25%... Have you thought why nobody is showing a decent video for rally games the answer is simple because it is awfull for rally games.
Has anyone ever called you the Bob Ross of sim racing? I think the shoe fits. These videos are soothing.
Every single video!
he really is, i tend to forget the simgeek stuffs and enjoy an hour of serenity
Happy little sim rig
@@MatthewRSimpson we've got these nice little socket head bolts, and not only do they have these beautiful flat washers, but also each one gets a happy little nylon safety nut
@@MatthewRSimpson" have a curb"
The things I like about the DOF Reality platforms are that they're compact (easy to fit inside existing sim seats) and the low cost. I can see me getting my feet into motion sims with this bit of kit. Great review!
Nailed it Barry - highlighted a lot of the pros, cons and frustrations that I encountered when I set up my H3!
What is your overall update/review since 3 months ago?
This guys voice is pure butter. Really great videos and very informative.
i just knew about the brand, will not buy this in short moment even in the long term. not interested in the product technical reviews like this. but the presentation made me watch the video longer than i should. i felt educated in a strange way. thank you
Barry: Because you have all this experience using many different sim rigs, please consider making a video for us that helps us understand how we should adjust our rigs for proper ergonomics. What is the relationship of pedal height to seat height, how to adjust the height and distance of the wheel, pedal distance, monitor height, and distance, feet/shin angle in relation to the pedals, etc,.
Nobody on YT has taken the time to explain a proper sim-rig setup. I understand everyone is different but there have to be some base-guidelines you follow when setting up these rigs that you review. Ergonomics can have a big impact on your racing, in the long run. Thanks for reading and considering this, Barry!
+1
Really looking forward to the H6 review. You're the best man I like the detail.
Great Review (as always). Barry, PLEEEEASE review H6!
th-cam.com/video/vARsvZARyvM/w-d-xo.html
Yes, the H6 or P6 would be ideal.
Hi Barry, so glad to hear you will be reviewing their H6 (6DOF) motion simulator. I hope you will elaborate more on the advantages between your D-Box 4 actuators setup vs DOFReality's 6DOF setup (e.g. when would you recommend one to go with the D-Box instead and vice-versa). You are probably the only one qualified to make such a comparison between them.
I switched from a 4250i dbox to a PT actuators 4dof+ traction loss, and have loved every second with it. A comparable d-box kit would be north of $30,000 for 6” of travel, where the PT kit cost right around $6000.
Orions96Cobra what kit did you go to? Can you share a link or video?
And how has it help up in the last 3 months? I’d love a video if you could do one!
Why are you so incredibly intelligent? Man this was entirely too informative lol I love it! When you got to talking about the couplers and the shaft I was like this guy knows his shit 😯
He's a retired industrial engineer I believe. Also has real life track experience so he definitely knows his stuff!
Did he say $1200 shipped? Holy crap. That’s fantastic. It doesn’t look like it could accommodate heavy duty high end hardware or a lot of accessories but still. It would make a great flight simulator platform.
Great video as always. I just assembled an H3 yesterday and I noticed you can smooth it out a lot by turning the boost down as well as the accel and decel settings. After messing around with it for a while I was able to get a pretty decent setting for my favorite cars in iRacing and the software will remember and automatically load them up with the car.
The wheel platform is unfortunately not acceptable for a direct drive wheel. Especially for a taller driver like me, I have to use it on the highest setting and it’s barely high enough. Also, not having a tilt feature is annoying and I’ll need to add a bracket for my wheel base. I have some ideas to either replace or augment the vertical tubes with 2020 profile to stiffen it up because that’s wheee most of the flex is. It should fit on there easily since it’s the same size. The wheel plate really should be 2-3 mm thicker and maybe aluminum if weight is an issue. I’d love to see them improve the design or see an aftermarket company make upgraded parts because it’s by far the weakest part of the platform. Everything else is good and worked right away with no issues.
For the price, it’s really an incredible device and with VR the feeling is fantastic once your dial in the settings. I’m happy with it but it really works best with lighter wheelbases. The pedal platform is fine, should work for most pedal sets. I’m using Fanatec CSL and it feels good. For competitive drivers, you may want to stick to your 8020 rig. This is fun but after a couple hours it gets tiring and I haven’t really seen lap times improving even with traction loss. It feels great though. D-Box or other actuators are still the best solution for motion but it’s just so much more expensive.
One last thing that Barry mentioned but didn’t talk about much: the seat balance is very important. Disconnect the rods from both motors at the bottom and sit in your seat so it is balanced when in the driving position. Left and right isn’t as important but make sure front to back is as balanced as possible, I used a seat slider to speed up the process. You will have a less jerky ride with better response if it’s balanced.
I have been using a P3 for many months with the Fanatec DD1 and it seems fine. I did put lower the steering wheel arms by cutting it and then making the wheel angled about 20 degrees to the wheel base. My compromise is the top of my Fanatec BMW wheel is about chin level but i use a 65" Oled TV so i can see more of the screen. Left/right balance was important as i use the gear&handbrake as unit was leaning to the heavier side. I ended up using a counterbalance on the other side and for the forward/back balance, i used a seat slider. With the DD1 and Fanatec inverted pedals, it was quite fortunate that i am balanced quite well at my ideal seating position.
I wasn't offered any dampers when i got mine, just wondering if worth upgrading?
I have the the P3 and have added 4545 profile to the wheel base bracket and it solid with no flex now. The whole rig move as one if you try to flex it.
The balance is adjustable for me as i have a sliding car seat and the motion works fine for me with the aditional weight.
I also added triple 30" monitors to it that moved with the rig and the motion was still fine, it actually made the whole motion feel smoother. I removed it as i use vr the most when sim racing now and the reflections from the monitors was putting the vr out of sync.
Would you buy it agajn
@@tehgusbus2716 yes when I have the funds I plan to upgrade to the 6 dof
You have money, nice.
Guys, just to be clear 2 DOF is not really ROLL and PITCH. You get all 6 effects like roll, pitch, sway, surge, heave and traction loss.
The only thing is that we convert those 6 effects in 2 AXIS
Read more about the effects you get in the post below.
www.simracingstudio.com/forum
That’s awesome to know man, I just got my hands on one!! Thank youuu
Amazing guide. Very useful. Thanks
I was quite skeptical about the construction sturdiness of this motion platform, but it does appear to do the job quite well. The motion does look a bit jerky, but considering the price, it looks like a good deal to me. Excellent review as always.
Looks like a great first motion cockpit.
I just upgraded from a Obutto R3volution (no motion) to the ESR P1 (also no motion) but this looks like a great direction to go next.
For the price and the complete package this is the best choiche in my opinion for a entry level motion platform.. Next level racing is still 3k for the cheapest one and it is only a seat mover without the stand.. next year I'm going to buy this dof reality, if they come out with an even stronger wheel stand even better! But in my opinion with some little diy it can be stronger
Yeah, but the rig, wheel and pedal deck looks way to weak, and not sure how well the motors would cope with the extra weight if you manage to make it more rigid?
@@RVRCloset i think that the aluminum from the 80/20 replacing the weak arms of the stand won't weight too much more. Those motors are strong
By the way when racing I would never put 100% force in the profile booster. Most of the times it is too much and distracting
At the end of the video there, I can see the D-BOX actuator system beside it - how much was that again? $17K just for the 4 actuators? Big difference in price. Can't wait for the H6 review!!
Great teacher
Damn!!! For the price point I don't think you can get something better than this.
Digging the hair style bro , big thumbs up from me.
Hi Berry, why you dont use vr?
I have the P3 - for about a year now. There is one good thing about these platforms: outstanding service. If you have any issues the support works very well.
But: as a motion platform I would not buy it again. The movements are very edgy and the construction is not nearly stable enough for a direct drive wheelbase (or actually ANY other wheelbase). It flexes so much, it is close to unusable.
Marcel, do you fly or drive?
Also, reference the flexing,what if the base. Was bolted down into the ground(not always possible) but would that eliminate the flexing? Thank you!
Thanks for that. Out of interest did you buy the extra strut for the wheel mount?
ie the 'Extra wheel support' listed here dofreality.com/options/
Steve Lane that extra support should be standard.
There is an Extra wheel support bracket for this product. I wish he had reviewed it as well (i would love to see if that will make the wheel plate more rigid).
This mans voice is so relaxing lolol
It looks very interesting, and you could probably stiffen the wheel base by adding a bar between your legs. I wonder how hard it is to mount a monitor to it as well though...
You can mount a monitor to it, but be careful with the weight (I believe they mention 150kg max load?). You should probably go for the more heavy-duty P2 motors instead of the consumer-level H2 motors due to the strain from the extra mass. Also, you'll need to rebalance the universal joint in relation to the new center of mass so that the seat is mostly in balance when you're sitting in it and the monitor is mounted. Johnny Tech Gear mounted a triple monitor setup on his P3 rig, see the second half of this video: th-cam.com/video/gz8i9lYWZcY/w-d-xo.htmlm55s
holy moly
Using a dof H3 here with the add on dampers which make a lot of difference and take away the snatching of the motors.
\i do find the adjustment on the dampers has almost be on max to make any difference though.
The rear drift wheel assb has been been beefed up from other reviews on it from the past.
Using any roll on simracing studio settings on car sim racing seems weird as having any roll in a car would be as driving a 2cv or Morris 1000.
Surge ,acc,brake,traction loss,heave all work well on Dirt2 race room ,R Factor,accetto and Forza 4 in xbox mode with Fanatec is great!
I bought a Sparco seat with runners and is a direct fit on the rig from Demon Tweeks.
For the price it is great!
James May in da house
I would love to hear your thoughts on a DIY SFX100 motion platform
Yes please according to all forums this is the price/performance King and on par with dbox for about 2k
Yes please! It would be great to hear Barry's opinion on SFX-100. I'm building one right now, and I'm already impressed by the sturdiness of the actuators. I wasn't sure what to expect exactly, but love for DIY motivated me to try. It's coming in together quickly. Biggest detractor is probably sourcing all the parts (easy but takes time to arrive from all the vendors) and 3D printing parts (can be time consuming, but instead can be ordered from people who printed dozens of them already, for not much more than cost of the materials). All in all I'm very excited, now waiting only for the motor couplings before I can try it out. Would love to hear Barry's opinion on how SFX-100 compares to all the high end hardware he has experience with 😊
@@FireBullet what parts do you need 3d printed
@@tehgusbus2716 there are 6 different parts that need to be 3D printed for SFX-100, 4 copies of each (one for each actuator) for a total print time of somewhere around 200 hours. Those parts are: slider, bump stop, fixed bearing mount, linear bearing mount, motor mount, foot. It comes to around 4 full filament spools. Print settings are very important, those parts need to be strong, so skimping on the settings to save filament won't do any good (and it's good to check the quality of those parts if ordering them to be printed somewhere). I got them from a fellow Sim racer offering his services (great quality, very fair price) on some of the Sim forums 😊 PM me if you'd like his contact info.
@@FireBullet how much did he sell the parts for? I was thinking of getting a 3d printer
barry barry.. what will we ever do without you..
Would love to see this rig in action on iRacing Rally Cross or Off Road :)
Check out bare foot gaming he has a review on the h6 with footage of dirt rally 2.0 and it looks insane
Do these systems play well with Dirt Rally 2? Seems like everyone uses them with road racing games
think u can find some videos on yt if ppl play with this in dr2 or not ^^ im not sure atm
Trust me I have the DOF P3 with traction loss and it is horrible for dirt rally 2.0 and dirt rally... the traction loss is a joke and it clunks and bangs even on a low setting if you live in a flat you will get complaints straight away from your neighbour even at low settings as it vibrates through the floor I can only use it at low settings around 25%... Have you thought why nobody is showing a decent video for rally games the answer is simple because it is awfull for rally games.
Other than QC / lower allowable tolerances (less backlash / slop in components), the change in motor / Gearbox combo should have had virtually no change in overall motion effects since the output rotational velocity after the gearbox is still the same.
As stated, the M2 system you have (had) used a 3000RPM rated speed Motor and was coupled to a 50:1 GB, so the output speed after the GB is 60RPM (3000 / 50 = 60)
For the H2, its a 1500 RPM rated speed Motor and is coupled to a 25:1 GB, so the output speed after the GB is also 60RPM (1500 / 25 = 60)
If anything, I would suspect the H2 to possibly be more jerky because of the lower peak operation speed in theory means less time to reach max speed. Now granted, there is also the full load torque output capability of each motor but I suspect (based on DOF Reality's spec) that the H2 Motors are higher torque so naturally will be able to accelerate to max speed faster and thus all other things being equal, it would be more jerky. All in all though, any changes in perceived motion would have to have come from Software and/or geometry changes between the two setups and the addition of the dampers.
Speaking of dampers, unless I missed it, it was never mentioned that the clamp collars ultimately were moved so that the damper body's were not at the lowest position when the system was at rest. When I saw the mention of them initially being setup like that ( section starting at 25:00 minute mark) about them being bottomed out, I instantly knew that that was gonna restrict the system to only being able to pitch back (any other motion would be locked out since the dampers would have been bottomed out already).
I have a Omega GT RS9 seat. Will the holes on that line up with the holes pre drilled on this platform? I remember on the H2 motion platform you had to drill your holes because they were 200mm apart
Could an IKEA Markus chair with Monstertech chair mount attached be placed on this as a Hotas flight setup?
Hey man
How heavy is the whole thing aprox once is built? Would it be easy to move from room to room??
Im thinking to play in living room but once finished, transfer to garage or something??
Any tips?
What is the difference between the H2 for racing and the H2 for flight ? There is about $200 difference but look the same
Barry, could you tell the difference between having the dampeners on and off? I have a P3 and wondering if it is worth getting some.
There is a difference between having them and not. How much of a difference is subjective. Best to try them before buying if possible.
@@simracinggarage3026 thanks for your quick reply. Ill order a pair a try myself. With regards to the rectangular bracket to connect the damper to the unit, is this part available or would I have to make myself?
If you order the dampers from DOF Reality, I think the brackets are included. Need to contact them to make sure. Otherwise, just make your own.
@@simracinggarage3026 thanks for your reply. Just ordered a set from Dof
Which seat model did you just in this? Was it bottom mount and with slider?
thnx!!! Planned to get the P3! Looks excellent, for that price!!!! Thnx for your time and your videos ;-) Thumbs up, and... stay healthy ;-) EDITED: did you bought since the Extra wheel support bracket they sell? Did that stiffs the whel plate? TIA
Barry, thanks again for another excellent review. I have been eagerly waiting for your review of the H2 for a while and its as good as all your other reviews. I wanted to ask you your opinion: H2 vs no motion at all for driving feel. Which would you choose? If it helps for some context, I know motion wont make me any faster but I am interested in the immersion factor.
The arms that come off the gear box are 180 degrees out, they are facing the opposite way that they need to. What is the fix to this?
Nice vid again :) I must say that I can clearly see that when you break the rig tilts forward, not like the M2 of which never moved at all in that video !! Tell me is the upgrade 3rd axis providing Yaw worth it ???
Great review as always mr. Berry, I'm curious if you ever sell stuff that you review, as I think you live in Virginia it would be a short drive for me.
Witch one would go if you lived here in Australia the h3 Dof reality or the Simrig 1 3 dof as only $1000 different out here $5500 for the reality 3 dof or $6200 for the simrig 1 3 dof motion rig
Hey Barry! Could you do a 2019 DD wheel comparison video? Would be so cool! 😎
Hi Barry after watching this video a couple months ago I decided to purchase the H2 especially due to the fact that you show the motors with a lot less play my I ask how long did you test the rig for because my motors seem to now have the same play as you showed in the M2 video? Hello again Barry thank you for not answering, but to anybody reading this in the months since I posted doff reality have offered no help in sorting out the issue I have with the excessive play in motor number one.
Still no fix?
I just had my H2 built a few days ago and I can tell you mine is solid with no play. You cannot move those armatures at all. Also the software has been updated. Doesnt look anything like in this video. My platform is pretty smooth, not jerky like in this video. The software has intelitune for each specific car for every game so you can tune or dial in the recommended parameter adjustments or adjust to your liking and save it for that car. Very useful. They've added sway and heave adjustments as well as surge for more fine tuning. No need for H3 (yaw) if you're not doing drifting or rally type racing.
i have an H6...i got it in march....take a guess how many time i got to use it....with in the first week....one of the boards in the box burnt out...waited 3 weeks for replacement....board burnt out again on the second run, one hour into play time...waited another 3 weeks for replacement...then one of the motors blew on the next try after board came....support walked me through test for 3 days trying to see what the problem was...they didn't be-leave it was blown...i requested a new motor....they sent one....was a bitch to install....but the motor wasn't calibrated when they sent it....so i spent another two weeks with support with then trying to walk me through the calibration....did everything they said...even had the on team viewer so they could watch and see...still nothing...so now...the rig is sitting here with all the boxes and two motors shipped back to dof reality for calibration...if you are looking to get this rig...get the P version...the H version is garbage....non tested waist of money.....not a day goes by i don't regret this decision.
Okay, there are a few things i said in anger. in fact the reason it took so long was my own fault. DOF REALITY customer service is actually really really good! They replied promptly and tried everything in there power to get me up and running again....the delays were my own fault for not respond as promptly as they did. they should not be held accountable for my own mistake. and to this day they are still trying there best to see me satisfied.
gremlins happen...and i'm not the most tech savvy person to fix these things so in all honesty i shouldn't have jumped down there throats the way i did.
For what its worth .... before the problems started....it was the most fun I've had playing games and sims...and that is a fact.....for the price...it is a no brainier.
i apologize.
Hi Barry another great review, Thanks. I have to ask you what is that you have in your hand that is controlling your mouse?
Trackball. Logitech M570.
Universal joints? Just take one bolt at a time out, attach the first one and then remove and attach the second. :-)
Do you think you have to buy the cable extensions? They are an extra $40
Great review Barry. Been looking at a new rig and this is a very intriguing option as it's basically the same price as the P1-X with the advantage of movement. Obviously rigidity isn't even comparable, but wondering if it's a trade-off worth trying out. Big question is do you think 2 dof is enough for racing? Or is 3 dof required for a realistic feeling behind the wheel?
I have the P3 and have used it in 2 dof mode. The motion feels amazing even without the slip in the rear. But it does feel really good when the backend starts sliding when using 3 dof.
@@MsJonaruto Oh man, I didn't realize you were using one of these. Thanks for the info. I'm gonna hit you up for some additional info in the channel. ;)
@@paulriccobene no problem
does anyone have any thoughts on how well the H2 copes with loadcell pedals and a direct drive wheel?
$615 US for postage to Australia thats $905 AUD that is mind boggling.
Roscoe P Buy it a seat in economy. 😁
If you want good motion, PT, dbox, or prosimu. Thanks for the review Barry, it was as expected.
So do you need to buy longer screws for damper or can you use the shorter one of need be please
Can you show a detailed video on balance with seat and everything!?please!
There's an app for balancing the rig. Its very simple to use. Just sit in the rig and let the app calibrate. Adjust your sitting position until roll and pitch are within 10%
Would the upgraded sfu gearbox make a difference?
rumor says that it does, but I haven't come across any reviews with a comparison
Is there a place where I can buy the motors only and do the rest myself DIY style?
I like the price range of this set but I like the aesthetics of the Next level. I’m torn between the two options.
Hey Man. Any word on when you might get your hands on the new HPP pedals? I really wanna see your review on them.
It seems this 2DOF system can be used on other rigs such as the next Level Racing cockpit or sim lab cockpits
Waht is the point of paying triple to different vendors, as you can get H2 or H3 + seat off eBay for 150$ and get amazing experience
DOFReality is there anyway to add DOF to my Next Level Racing F-GT
Is the SFU upgrade really worth it? $300-$450 upgrade.
thx for the video. what about noise?
Just about to ask that myself. Being an owner of an NLR V3... the main purchasing factor (apart from price) was noise. The motor and clunking around is a tough sell with a wife an 3 very young kids sleeping in the rooms either side. The NLR V3 was notorious for being quiet. And the form factor fit the existing rig that I had. Not that I'm looking to change, but the NLR V3 is incredibly quiet and wife & children approved.
Is very quiet I own it
It is very quite, i would not be able to use it otherwise as noise would be an issue for me.
Anyone who owns the H2, quick question, did you get the brackets for dampers supplied even if you didnt want dampers with it?
I would call that a win
Hi Barry,
Again a great video. Does the feeling and immersion u get from these 3DOF compare with the Motion Platform V3 from NLR?
Yes, how does it compare! :)
NL V3 is a seam mover, and H2 is way more immersive
DOFReality Why is it way more immersive? Did u compare those two with each other?
How would this compare to the next level racing V3 seat mover?
wonder how much in parts just to build this costs
Does anybody know, if this kind of software is available open source? Just to create your own motion platform. I like the concept by the way. I think it does make much more sense, when the seat is moving with the wheel and the pedals.
I own it and I love it
I tried it and I didn't like it (pivot effect)
Nylon nuts and lock washers??
Barry why the hell haven't you made you're own sim rig,
I'm a sheet metal fabricator and making a sim rig is really easy, it's just the motors and the electrical stuff I have no clue about,
I would say 20x20 box section is to small, least 30x30 but I'd use 50x50, with 4mm peddle plate, I'm impressed price to performance is amazing
with total weight over 120lbs? I think weight matters for international shipping.
@@hitman-yu1wm yh true, mine will not be movable after its put together as I'm bolting it to the wall aswell I want it solid as I will be buying a 30nm motor in the end
@@richysracing9524 it took us 4 years and many iterations to master it to this version. It looks simple but there are few thousand RnD hours and six figure investments behind it
@@dofreality yh I can imagine to produce a really good product which obviously that's what you've done,
Fare play though if only I had the room lol
I can not get my sim raceing studios to connect to my platform
How often you ride that LaCroix board I'm seeing in the background Barry interested in selling
any idea what motor model is being used?
whats best this platform or NLR
Does anyone know if this can be be put into a formula setup?
This is cheaper then next level v3. Why? Is NL quality better?
you have a cool robotic voice
do you have to build it youself
Is this still a good option??
What seat are you using?
about smoothing; real driving isn't smooth so wouldn't these abrupt movements be a good thing for immersion or are they too abrupt?
^^ My thoughts exactly. Track driving at speed with rapid changes in weight distribution is pretty violent in my experience. I would have thought this would result in a more realistic simulator?
Also the DOFreality seems to have a lot of movement vs some of the actuator systems that appear to barely move at all. Again something that one would think would add to realism?
Compatible con ps4
Sooner or later, the simracing set will cost more, than a descend race car xD
Actually simracing stuff gets more affordable every day.
Hello Barry, new subscriber here!
I found your channel searching for info about those dof platforms, great review.
I wanted to ask advice, since I'm about to buy a new rig, and I'm quite in doubt, weather go static (with the benefits of robustness) or low-cost dynamic (H2 you just reviewd).
I know they are very different products, but would you suggest the H2, considering using it for 3-4 hours a week in total? Also, do you think the price difference between h2 and p2 is justified? The rig structure should be the same, if I got it correctly.
Hope you can find the time to help me clear my doubts, thank you
Go with the P6 :)
@@tdg911 Thanks but that's definetely out of reach :D
DO THE DAMPERS COME WITH IT PLEASE
Prob too late for this but anyway - DOF Reality sells dampers as an additional option. See their website: dofreality.com/order/ . Hope that helps...
Great review Barry. Thank you.
Can you recommend some motion rig for (let say) about 2000$ ?
Or should I spend these money rather on H PATTERN SHIFTER from Pros-Sim :-) ?
Check out SFX-100 😊 depending on where you source some of the parts from, it could come slightly above $2,000
What's the link?
So that’s what the computer generated voiceover guy looks like
Man forget all that give me some hair tips
shame im years to late noe its double the price nad that in Euros over here
Would like to see a review of the playseat sensation pro wonder if its worth £1.3k
No it isn't.. with that money you can buy this
Barry in shill language ''It meats my expectations'' translation: looks like shit and works like one. Will fall apart after 20 minutes of play
A waste of money. Thank you for onest review.
So you believe that Barry lies to us in his reviews? I heard nothing from him that would suggest this motion rig is in any way terrible. You should leave your biases out of these videos.
I have the DOF P3 with traction loss and it is horrible for dirt rally 2.0 and dirt rally... the traction loss is a joke and it clunks and bangs even on a low setting if you live in a flat you will get complaints straight away from your neighbor even at low settings as it vibrates through the floor I can only use it at low settings around 25%... Have you thought why nobody is showing a decent video for rally games the answer is simple because it is awfull for rally games.
no thanks cheap product. Could be made way better. Hydraulics!
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Voice is too bass
That’s a bad thing? “Comment is too rude” no one is forcing you to watch from your country. His voice is wonderful, as everyone says.
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