2005 Honda Odyssey Engine Work (Episode 3) Fixing it Forward
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- In this episode of Fixing it Forward I work on the engine in the 2005 Honda Odyssey. I replace the timing belt and water pump, valve cover gaskets, spark plugs, rear catalytic converter, side engine mount, transmission fluid, battery and battery terminals.
I also perform a compression test on the engine as well as talk about the VCM system and how some people like to delete it.
There is still quite a bit of work to do on this Odyssey, but I’ve made a lot of progress bringing it back. I hope you find it entertaining and educational.
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I always like it when an author includes his mistakes. It shows maturity, wisdom, and altruistic honesty. Well done!
I appreciate your understanding. Thanks.
@@ericthecarguy hey eric can we do ep3 videos please. And if you need an ep3 to do it on well...we can use mine. And it and I need the help. Like bad. I've pretty much watched every video that you have made because Its nice to find someone that you can trust and learn from. I know you will get a heck of a lot of views since the k series scene is pretty big. And it will clear up a lot of problems people are having. Mine was assembled in the uk. And it has a jdm k20a. But I don't know what type of k20a it has. Was told it was a type s by a honda dealer mechanic. You see the potential videos, given that's what I am dealing with. I bought it from a dealer. And two weeks later it won't go over 4krpm. Spending 5k on the car and two weeks later it does that and not knowing what to do pretty much shatters any dreams of pulling away from a Prius lol. If you aren't interested, no hard feelings lol I've spend over 500 dollars on shitty shops looking at it and doing nothing. I'm down right been done wrong from the start I think.
@@benfranklin3126 did you try HONDA TECH? What state are you in?
@@CRAPO2011 he’s in the uk from he’s comment, i wish the dude luck. Fixing these cars or any model is difficult and I admire all these guys. Wish I would’ve pursued this as a career, but life took me in a different direction. So watching these videos i live vicariously through them.
Etcg is a true professional. I live about 3 hrs from Cincinnati and would love to bring my car to get fixed by him. Seeing how meticulous he is when working on a car, i would feel secure if that’s the right word to use taking my car to eric. He is a top notch mechanic. 🤙🏼
Eric just went full mustie poking us in the eye.
Mustie1 x ETCG crossover would be epic lol
"I don't mess with things I don't have an issue with." Yeah, my beard's got some seasoning salt in it too and this is golden education in downside risk management.
My god, it's full of parts! 2005: a Honda Odyssey
I see what you did there
I called my 2001 Odyssey "Stanley".
@@ericthecarguy We bought a 2001 Honda Odyssey...I called it the Space Odyssey.
God I love watching these fixing it forward series videos; there’s just so much here to learn, enjoy, and pass down the line in the future if/when I need to! =D
THANK YOU for doing this for us, Eric!!!
Thank you for watching and for the comment!
@@ericthecarguy thank you eric for the awesome and informative content. Wish you the best. You’re a true professional.
Before, your channel was awesome.
Now that you are focused on Hondas, your channel is getting even better.
Please keep with the Honda theme.
I learn so much by watching you take off and reinstall part after part.
You make working on cars look so easy! Of course having that kinda knowledge helps a ton.
The tools help a lot too.
@@ericthecarguy it definitely makes the job easier. I've had to improvise a ton when working on my beater. 😔 🤷🏼♂️
I work at honda in IN and its absloutly insane how these cars go together at my plant we do civic insight and crv its so cool to be a part of building them
man you probably have some serious rare insight into these cars then. I wish I could see my Accord 07 v6 LX in that way. Building it at factory. What a cool job. They hiring? lol
I bet seeing happy Civic, CR-V, and Insight owners always puts a smile on your face because you and your fellow coworkers at HMIN take pride in maintaining Honda's Reputation of reliability, safety, and quality!
@NathanStangle Any scoop on the 1.5 L oil dilution issue? Does it still happen with 2019 and newer?
@@alexandercahoulan6583 yes they are hiring lol my plant doesnt make the accord but it is still pretty neat
@@digitalrailroader I have personally never been a "Honda" guy but sense i started working at HMIN Ive been thinking really hard about purchasing one
Never gets old. Since the beginning (long time ago) I knew you were the great man. God bless you and keep on doing great work!
Out of all of the TH-cam mechanics your description of your work is the best. I really feel like I learned something every time I watch one of them. Thank you very much!
Keep the videos coming Eric, I love watching them and learning more everyday about my favorite cars Hondas and acuras. 🤗
You're definitely my favorite honda tech! W/o you I would have never finished my project civic! Keep the good vids coming! I love learning from the best!👉😎👉
Thank you for watching!
My dad used to work for Ammco back in New York years ago. Never as fun as watching you do things.
Thank you so much for going back to this type of every man video. Although interesting, the specialty type videos may only appeal to gearhead geeks like myself. Your video on the Mini Cooper was enough to tell me not to buy one without a lift! Once upon a time I asked you about mechanic school regarding my then 18 year old. Your advice was well received. Thank you Eric, your a good one.
Thank you for that feedback. It's funny though, the style of my videos really hasn't changed. I think the only difference with this video is that it's about a Honda. Thanks again.
Eric.... What you described as the "EGR" ports in that intake manifold were actually re-purposed in that newer design to be the PCV gas distribution. You can see the passageway coming from the PCV hose on the front valve cover in the bottom left of the intake manifold. Additionally this is the reason for your dirty front valvetrain/head-cover. This redesign of the PCV system now pulls fresh air into the REAR cylinder head (stays clean), and pulls crank case gases from the FRONT cylinder. It's the crank-case gases and lack of fresh air that cause the buildup. On the old pre-2005 design it was the opposite. The rear valve cover had the PCV valve, and the front valvecover got the fresh-air.
The EGR system was also redesigned to distribute directly into each side plenum right after the throttle body via a large T-shaped bolt-on tube. The T-tube can be removed and cleaned now which is nice.
I know that most "mechanics" do not recommend engine flushes, but I did on my daughters 2000 Accord with close 200k on the engine with no issues so far. Hopefully, there will be no issues in the future. You roll the dice with engine flushes because you can damage seals and you can start "loosening a lot of gunk" that can block passages. We purchased the car and I did first flush with oil change and filter. I replaced 20% of the oil (I upped the oil to next higher viscosity too because these "additives" thin the oil) with Marvel Oil and ATF and drove the car 250 miles and did another engine flush with oil change and filter. I used an common flush product and followed the instruction before each oil change and did NOT drive the car with the flush in the engine. I repeated 5 times. After the 3rd time I noticed the engine ran smoother and was more responsive. Each time oil that came out, it looked like it had at least 5k on it even though it was 250 miles. I also cleaned the valve cover and cleaned the top of the head with a toothbrush before doing the flush. This again, is risky......The plan is to move slowly toward normal oil intervals (with no more flushes)......2 -500 mile oil changes, 2 -1000 mile oil changes, then 2 -2000 mile oil changes, then 3000 mile.......Hopefully by doing multiple flushes and changes any large "chunks" have been removed or will stay in place. I don't recommend any one try this and to do it at their own risk. I do believe this best way do "engines flushes" if you are going to do them, to avoid clogged passages.
I’ve missed fixing it forward so bad. Love these videos Eric! Keep up the good work man! :)
Great to see, passing forward on older Honda. All the best Rowan
I've watched you for many many years and I love how you are doing this for someone for free. Makes me feel good inside that people still care. The amount of work you have done so far is astounding and very costly if someone was to take it to a actual shop. I have a odyssey and have done alot of motor work to it so I know how expensive it is haha. Awesome job man!! If the new owner doesn't say thank you I will for him.
Did a lot of work on this lil van that could! Its going to run like a new honda for another 100k miles!
like my grandpa dad uncle use to say "A GOOD LIGHT HOLDER, is hard to find" lmao
Nice to see you do this. I just fixed a broken rear cam on a 2010 by replacing T-belt, two cams, the rear head and having the front head rebuilt.
Boss then buys this other 2010 with a rod through the oil pan and has me put an engine to flip it for profit.
I've spent a lot of hours recently doing exactly what I'm seeing in the video. Sure is nice to be done with all that for now.
These videos are so relaxing. I’m actually learning stuff too as I watch. Thanks mr carguy
Great job Eric! Love these more old school ETCG videos and always loved Fixing It Forward! Keep up the good work!!
You're talking about putting non-Honda fluid in a Honda transmission. I've got an interesting one for you!
My partner had a Hyundai i20 which was written off, she liked it so she bought another. It never seemed to have the same pep as the old one though.
I saw that the transmission fluid was a bit dirty so I changed it out, once I got it out I noticed a distinct lack of cat pee smell and whilst dirty it was yellow/brown...
Yeah someone had done a transmission service and replaced the fluid with engine oil... Needless to say after a couple of fluid changes to flush the old stuff out, it ran a lot better!
I found it do weird though; that someone with enough know-how to do a transmission service (the filter/pan gasket had been replaced as well) wouldn't know that it needs special fluid...
Anyway fun little story. Great video, really happy to see FiF continuing!
My sister added coolant to her engine oil filler. She added several bottles and was waiting for the coolant to reach the top where she could see it, as instructed. Just too bad it was the wrong filler. Engine was running at the time. Needless to say, that was the last time the engine ran.
Excellent series, as a Honda fanBoi I love these J series motors as I have had 4 TLs over the years, currently have an 07 Odyssey with 300k miles, 08 TL-S 6 speed and an 00 AP1 s2k. I bought the odyssey on a whim to replace an old town and country and the Honda has been a charm to own over the past 8 years. I did install a VCM muzzler right after I bought the car and its been working great ever since, no weird vibrations and next to non oil consumption.
These are the best vans. Period. They are so dirt cheap at Auction now. But if it’s a beautiful mint condition one. They are still very affordable. We like to buy a few of these and pick some up our self to sell. Because they will go the distance.
They seem to be going for about $4K around my area. Avoid VCM like the plague.
My 2004 Odyssey has 237,000 miles. And runs like new, they definitely go the distance
Love this series, Eric! I hope you do a lot more of these in the future.
I’ve owned a 2005 Odyssey for 5+ years now, it’s a fantastic van. My wife and I are actually in the market for a second. When we bought it though, it seemed to burn oil and fouled up spark plugs. We were also plagued with misfires. We got the issues to stop after replacing the PCV valve (o-rings were completely pancaked), bought a VCM tuner, and did a valve adjustment. I’m not sure which maintenance item on that list contributed the most, but I will say, after the valve adjustment (at around 140 - 145k miles I think), the oil consumption *seemingly* improved. I don’t keep as close an eye on the oil between changes, and it tends to only consume at most ~1/2 a quart every 3-4K miles. Just FYI for others out there. Oh and the VCM tuner is awesome - really not a fan of the engine lurching when VCM kicks on.
I do wonder if such an issue could’ve contributed to the exhaust issues this van had.
These type of videos are relaxing an entertaining
Like the series! Always enjoy your projects! Thank you for your work and wisdom.
What timing! I’m doing the timing belt and water pump on our 05 Odyssey this weekend. I’ll make a note to pay close attention to that motor mount while I’m in there. Thanks, Eric!
Video linked in the description for more detail about that job. Good luck.
@@ericthecarguy lol, I may have watched that one two or three times already. :)
Eric...you have done it again. LOVE these J series videos. You always have some small info that I didnt know.
I have seen it. The problem for the front one being that way as opposed to the rear one is because the PCV valve was not changed as needed. You were correct later in the video which I came to as I was typing this lol
I like the fixing it forward also. I have a friend with an Accord. Their cylinder deactivation system likes to foul the rear spark plugs.
Preciate you Eric for making these videos, and salute to all the good people who donate to the Fixing it Forward movement. 👍🏾
As always, another great video. I always learn something. I just need to get a Honda back into my life. Thanks.
Holy crap nice shop compared to your older videos. Nice and bright
I got those silicone trays too. Absolutely love them. I got the set of three in green and got a two pack free.
I was literally thinking if you every have shop fires when you were torching those bolts, glad to see it went safely.
Thank you for paying it forward!
Enjoying the series Eric - thinking back to the first fix it forward I remember with Barbara's van back in the old days...
I like your starting tool for compression test. Pretty handy. Which I had that before
Love the fixing it forward series
Yep, I’ve always attributed the one side varnished up issue to a clogged PCV system. Typically the pcv valve is on the rear cover but it looks like they moved it to the front on this year
Hope u r doing ok. Miss your vids!
Non vcm, egr is on the rear head. Vcm is on the front head.
Awesome on the fixing it forward 👍
Another Honda lives again👌😉
Them new battery terminals are very nice @EricTheCarGuy
Lovely video... Continue with fix it forward!
Amazing content per usual - Always good to learn more and more about the J series. Doing my valve cover gaskets doesn't seem hard at all now.
Vcm delete is one of the best things your can do for a Jseries honda engine. This is why older models like your TL run better and have less engine issues long term 👍
Great vid man, your audio always so amazing!
Eric, i am sure someone has mentioned about the valves, I have a 2006 and have 180K and had my second valve adjustment done. You are so close at where you are this can help to prevent a misfire issue with the valve staying open during its cycle with the valve seat being hammered into the head (or being 'tight' as people like to say, lol) my .02 worth...
Great share Eric , I sure ENJOYED !!
Eric i been gollow you since uff years and let me tell u something i think ur the best diy video camera men i see many diy mechanic and no ones shoot videos like you thank you very much men blessings
I loved the fact you have the oxyacetylene dolly for the large bottle and you have the portable in there 😂
I was planning on the upgrade as soon as I ran out of gas.
Love your videos Eric you got a good heart brother God bless you and your family
Front valve bank is sledged up ( as compared to back one as Eric was commenting on), because in 2005 model onwards Honda has moved PCV valve to front bank. In earlier models (99 till 2004), the PCV was on the rear bank. Clogged PCV is the culprit for sledge on valve train
I do enjoy watching videos like this.
Eric, you may not enjoy this as much compared to building but it’s a great time watching stuff like this. Lots to learn. Interesting to see how different makes do things.
Actually I do enjoy doing FiF this way over fixing someones car. I can work at my own pace, which is nice, but in a post COVID world, somewhat necessary. It's taking forever to get the parts for this thing. Thanks for the comment.
@@ericthecarguy Yeah, I totally understand that. I remember the other cars and how they would keep coming back. I’m having the same issue with getting parts. Thankfully, I wasn’t in dire need for them at the time. Hopefully COVID just becomes a distant memory soon.
Thanks Eric another learned and info.Thank you
Pcv system caused the one head to be dirty. Usually the suction side is the dirty side and the clean air side is the clean side.
Definitely enjoying these videos Eric, Thanks for sharing👍
Stay Safe Bro👍
19:48 while working at honda, i noticed that the "rear bank spool valve" would leak on that model year(i actually own a 2005 odyssey as well so this is so cool for me) , we ended up using the NAPA gasket kit for those.. or you can get it for $500 from honda since they dont sell the gasket separately, either way if it seems like there is an oil trail and it leads you up there, i had to replace that one on mine and it wasnt too terrible, thanks for the share! looking forward to episode 4
Can’t wait for the next episode!
For my TSX reman power steering pump was $800. Insane and I went the rebuilt way with replacing the seals.
I used the denso plugs in my 99 accord & within 5k miles I started getting misfires.
It ended up having two problems first being a blown head gasket. After all was repaired I put back in the denso plugs & boom the miss moved over to another cylinder. After swapping the plugs front to back the miss moved up front.
I replaced with the ngk plugs & its been beautiful since no miss & everything running new. Comparing the denso & ngk the denso are bout 1 or 2 mm shorter and place the plug closer to the head. The ngk are much closer to the piston itself & give a complete burn.
I really am enjoying this series
We had our 2009 Honda Odyssey with the VCM....ours was the Touring model. And at about 78,000 miles the check engine light came on due to the VCM cylinders being oil fouled and causing a misfire. Honda replaced the oil control rings..meaning they had to pull the engine out of the van for the repair...and did it under special program...so no cost to us. We were burning about a quart every 3,000 miles. I read about the VCM muzzler to deactivate the system but not sure if that would cause more problems than it is supposed to fix.
We replaced the 09 with a 2017 Odyssey and so far it doesn't seem to be an oil burner...so hopefully Honda has a permanent fix. Also the 17 gets much better gas mileage...almost 30 mpg on the highway depending on wind conditions etc.
10:56 Yes.
My under hood Milwaukee light spends 50% of its time falling over and pointing directly at my face on the high settings with me gritting my teeth saying “every [expletive] time!”
Thank you Eric I always enjoy watching your videos can’t wait for the videos I am from South Africa
Always great to see you.
@@ericthecarguy thank you Eric
Eric -- just a word of wisdom.... always break loose transmission filler bolt BEFORE draining old fluid. This way you have something in the tranny if you are unable to break loose filler bolt.
Great video. Awesome information. Very easy to understand what you are doing. Thank you
Watching an extremely competent mechanic, with every tool they need at hand and a ready supply of materials and parts, work on a car makes me feel extremely overconfident about approaching my own vehicular issues. Am I the only one?
New subscriber here. i really like all your videos. I am committed to watch all your car related videos. More videos! :)
Nice work Sir! OdyClub folks will say VCM muzller is a MUST though...
That's what they say. A lot of people say stuff though. Doesn't mean they're right.
Eric's new video series "saving honda's from the brink"
I have an 08 pilot with the J series engine. Had the same issue with a clogged PCV made the front way dirty, back still looks good.
The amount of work you’re putting into that Honda is equal to the amount of work you put into the video! Out of curiosity, have you used an induction heater instead of a torch sometimes?
I don't have an induction heater. Also, you can't cut with an induction heater.
Always enjoy your videos. Thanks
I recently puller the heads off of a 2007 Pilot with 220,000 miles, due to a blown head gasket. The front head was a lot dirtier with sludge than the rear. Also the front valve cover gasket was leaking. I think this was caused by a completely blocked PCV. For some reason, the PCV's tend to get overlooked on these engines. I also dropped the oil pan / pump pickup and the VCM gasket / screen, all were fairly clean.
Agree with the Honda atf 👍
Great video Eric 👍😁
Nice progress @EricTheCarGuy
Great video!I did the valve covers on my moms car, same motor and being 17 and still learning it was a bit of a pain lol.The last people who did them put RTV and the regular valve cover gasket.It was so bad that the spark plug tubes was full of oil.
I hate it when people do that. Thanks for the comment.
Thank you Eric for another great video
I gotta say that Erics vids allowed me to pull both heads, get them redone, put it all back together and 1 yr later it still runs great👍 much thanks😁 oh I absolutely HATE HATE TTY HEAD BOLTS😐😐😐 even installed correctly their torque is all over the place😐oh i did strip a valve cover bolt-Any easy fixes??? Its a front one easy to get too😁
Nice video - surprised you didn't check/adjust valve lash while the valve covers were off!
he prolly checked it off camera
If an engine isn't running rough or loud, I normally don't bother on the J series. Also, when they get gunked up like the front bank was, adjusting valves is a real PITA. Video linked in the description for J series valve adjustment. Thanks for the comment.
@@ericthecarguy i was getting a slight miss on my 07 odyssey with 160k, enough to feel it sitting there idling but not enough to throw any code, and low and behold the rear valves were tight. my wife didn't feel it but my butt did, so readjusted while i was only intending to do a full valve cover gasket replacement.
Eric, the safety glasses won't protect you if you use them to poke yourself in the eye! 😂
Eric, the reason I started watching TH-cam. Then I forgot about you, will do a better job.
A lot of the studs came out with the fasteners too when I was working on my ‘99 Cutlass so I think I’m gonna reassemble as much as I can on the engine stand to avoid having to deal with the space issues. To be honest here I also broke one, everyone breaks stuff sometimes but I was also a lot less knowledgeable back then. I’ve been into cars since my birthday two years ago when my parents gave me that car and today’s the two years two days after.
We’re supposed to be getting a HF here in the mid-summer so I might just let the project take that long since I don’t have my license yet to drive an hour and 15 minutes to the currently closest one IF they even had a hoist.
I believe the discoloration is because the pcv system edit (just watched you say that lol)
Great job, ( happy with honda👌), greetings from the netherlands🇳🇱
Considering the price, and how these vehicles are used, frankly a smart owner should always go to the junkyard whilst the cars are still out, fresh for picking, and get themselves various bits for cloudy days. I've been doing this for some years now, and it has saved my ass a few times. I mean, some 80's parts are just gone, even the aftermarket scene has moved on, and i've noticed the trend where there's fewer aftermarket, more cheap knockoffs and shorter periods of times between purchase and time you're out of luck and into the shit creek.
I'd certainly get valve covers, maybe a gearbox, exhaust stuff if it's in good nick, and certainly aaaall the small trim plastic bits, those go off all the time.
All great ideas if you have the space. Not to mention cataloguing everything. If you don't, you'll miss the opportunity to use the parts you spent so much time collecting. Ask me how I know. 😉
Good old J35. Mines got 205k and still runs great
You got those big torch tanks, so you could do bigger shop fires...Just kidding, nice job on the rebuild / deep tune..Hugh Mc...Chicago metro
Hay Eric, you R a nice guy. All the work to make a Honda whole again is no ez task. I know. I have a yard full of them. Know anyone that needs a 2000 CRV project?? Just kidding. I hav2 get to it soon before it turns to rust in the yard. Take care and YES, I'm staying dirty......
(Comment on when you made camera move) Ouch. Thanks Eric that was my eye
Eric: So what's the best conductive metal?
Me:Gold
Eric:You think it's gold?
Me:😶
hey Eric i just wanna share with you what i found about that variable cylinder management(VCM) that caused all the mess you got with that engine, in 05-06 old vcm version when engaged the reciprocating effect of the pistons with valves closed causes a vacuum pulling oil past the piston rings and flood the cylinders,when the VCM disengages to clear the oil from the cylinder the engine misfires,and this causes premature parts failure,spark plugs,motor mount due to vibration with eco mode enabled,piston rings,cylinder walls and finally the catalytic converter that's what the bulletin mentioned for those 2005 and 2006 year models,hope this will make sense to what you found in that engine.
WHAT!!!!! no; "greetings viewers".....? my weekend is already destroyed, up untill now i highly respected you Eric, such a shame (Talk talk... anyone?) ;-)