I realized my mistake later but it was too late hahaha that 1million plus points Illaoi destroyed my 4 winstreak on shen maybe due to 3 previous loss before that I guess I should have taken a breath of air,break, or played tft instead to get my bearings
For me personally mobi is a trash yhea you get a lot of movemeent speed to roam the map and you are thresh or bard that wants to make cross map plays and help your laners score kill.The other effects of other boots are more useful in the long term. Lastly I think mobi should get a movement buff rather than a price buff and I think mobi is only good in some very certain specific games.
@@skinnymon123 Its not worth ganking top lane depending on who the enemy is and who your top laner is as dragons, mid lane, and bot lane are more important
@@halfbl00d55 last time I checked, she was an assassin bruiser that shields herself as if she had a lulu in her kit with high mobility, absurd lifesteal and aoe one shots that happens to be ranged
Not only do I think Hector's guides are some of the best, he like's to prove there are best ways to outplay your opponents other than being mechanically superior to them, so it's always a reason of joy looking at a guide's title and watching Hectors name on it, that being said: we're still waiting for the Hector challenge where he has to smurf in low elo blind flolded while a rabid squirrel it's trying to gain access to his underwear and the only way to avoid it it's to win lane under 30 secs before minions spawn playing teemo top with only a teamat.
LOL, jokes aside I completely agree. Micro is big but macro is so much more reliable and easy to do. Playing consistently using fundamentals is easier than split-second skillshot dodges.
If you’re having a hard time with #3, here’s a weird tip: Play incredibly dumb off-meta picks, like bard, thresh, or braum, in top lane. The novelty and inherent humor of playing such a dumb pick will massively help you not get bored, while they’ll almost certainly get impatient that this guy they CLEARLY should be beating (who tf thinks Braum top will work?) has managed to not die yet, and will start making dumb plays you can exploit.
THIS, i stg this is the same reason toplaners cry about ranged vs melee, they literally cant stand to just accept that they need to play safe and not fight
hector is the best one who makes guides in skill capped lol he is so funny and really helped me to learn macro so ez even though i used to climb by outplaying my opponents :) i missed hector chalnges about playing without a mouse and feeding lol i want to see his react sometime when they tell him about a chalenge or even post a lost challenge
As a toplaner I can confirm this point, but it's often not due to boredness but because you feel like you should "win this lane" and in most people's eyes this means: you must get kills. Especially against lategame champs you can feel like you're on a clock so you have to make a move, leading to bad plays and an avenue for the opponent to shut you down and ge accelerated.
Yep, they're really useful but some junglers just don't look at the minimap enough and kinda shut off their brain while playing.. can't say I haven't done it but yeah
I'm playing low elo and being constantly flamed for staying in mid lane punishing the perma roamers. The part on adcs is 100% true but same goes for supports playing aggressively 24/7 not letting you farm and flaming u for not picking every suicide mission they create.
There are supports who must get going early or its GG. If you have engage supports and they land a hook, you most likely will get a kill but you NEED to cooperate. I play a lot of pyke and if my adc considers my plays "suicide missions" and doesnt follow up I will simply leave bot lane for the rest of the game.
Start playing farming simulator, and you'll be glad you did. Farming when all you allies aren't will make you be surprisingly tanky when they finally try fighting you. Maybe not as an ADC, but definitely as mid, top of jungle. Even kindred jungle. Because solo experience gives levels and having more levels than your opponent gives you extra everything. (except AP) it gives you more ad, more ability damage, more HP, more armour and magic res, more attack speed, and shorter ability cool downs.
The only time I get annoyed after the enemy mid roams is when ours is sat in lane just last hitting. At least push the tower to get a plate or at worst deny them the wave, do *something*.
I really wish we could stop using the term "inting". Low elo players aren't always intentionally feeding. It's just that we don't know our limits very well, it's hard to keep track of what makes a champion strong at what points in the game etc. So it's easy to misjudge a situation and get punished for it, but that doesn't mean we're intentionally trying to lose
1. Roams, as a jungle main this is absolutely killing me. People leave lane, not knowing how or when to roam, or roaming badly and abandoning lanes. It is pretty much impossible to jungle when every lane does this. They all think they are pros and what they are doing is offering no pressure or priority losing out on XP and gold. I cant do drakes or gank as easily with no priority. The irony is they almost never collapse on enemy jungle near scuttle for example, but will walk all over the map or in jungle for no reason. As RIOT tries to fix all the mobility, hopefully it chills out some. because you combine that with hyper mobile jungles like Hecarim or Lillith and its GG. As far as bot lane supports and adc have no idea wave control. even people like your support tapping minions prematurely advancing the lane state. And I see so many people not register that plates, pay you gold... no one goes for plates.
it gets better higher elo you are. meaning it will happen still but less. if laners roam too often just take their waves it doesnt matter its like getting a kill for free experience wise. only bad thing is riots funnel protection punishing this at some point
15:23 The Mobility-boot-part is quite eye-opening. As a low-elo-support myself I always personally found swiftys way better on almost anything, but got peer-pressured into not buying them. Gotta start buying them again now.
Welp, I always bought mobi except with heavy slow comp (Ashe, *NASUS*, Braum etc) but now I think I'll buy them a lot more. Also I don't roam really succesfully so yeah, probably don't need them. X)
@@kfk4441 Swifty’s and Ionian boots are about all I build in my supports. Swifty’s is good on Senna so you can zoom across the map to help your team. Ionian is great if you have the mana to spend so you can just keep using your abilities.
For the support stuff, I will say that, while playing back and safe is great in the mid and late game, in the early game, you need to have more aggressive positioning. Not only is it going to help you stack your gold item faster, it'll also make it so the lane isn't a 2v1 for your ADC. If the wave is in the center of the lane and my support is sitting in the tower, I have to also sit in the tower or I risk dying, because I don't care if you can throw your Ebb and Flow on me from that range and have it bounce onto an enemy, you're still not contributing anything valuable to the lane. Supports need to be willing to take a little bit of risk and a little bit of damage in the early game so that all of it isn't going directly onto their carry. It's part of the reason why laning with a Yuumi who refuses to detach is so infuriating. The carry is the only one taking damage, and she doesn't have the healing early to counteract it.
Hector: Don't stand at top lane tower and just poke at them. **Laughs in Illaoi** (Post 6 people; before that don't. Please. I make enough of those mistakes for the both of us, lol)
I know a lot of players think that if all five players push a single lane that everyone should run to lane to defend but all you have to do is make a strategic withdraw . Let the other lanes get ahead in CS and the jungle invades farming enemy's jungle . After that tower goes down , four of your team should be ahead on CS with yourself still equal to your opponent because everyone else on his team was taking his CS.
Gotta say that info about top lane makes me want to play more top lane. I am an adc main who loves freezing lane under tower and beating out my opponent by getting more CS. My issue generally is when my support gets bored and starts pushing my wave because they want to fight more. I'd say when i solo que roughly 50% of my supports tell me ill never win lane by just freezing and we need to start fighting more. I personally love winning by not fighting in solo que. The concept of fighting being too coin flippy in my elo really got stuck in my head and I really try to avoid unnecessary fighting. So yeah I think ill try more lazy top lane play. It honestly sounds fun to me.
freezing takes every pressure from the lane though both laners can move without technically losing anything... cause they wouldnt get the farm anyway depending on how fed you are
@@manuellanthaler2001 you freeze and then when enemy bot decides to roam or whatever you simply push out. Actually not that hard of a concept. Come midgame you are so much stronger that even if you lost the first 2 drakes the enemy can't contest 3rd drake anyways.
Thank you so much, I realized that I was never bored/found top lane boring as a top laner so I realized that it's my fault that I can't climb, started being bored and won through enemy inting into me
The jungle one... I play this way and always get super ahead but you can't do that in gold. It ends up with me having afks around 1/3 games because their jg 'ganks more' despite me having over double their Cs and full objective control. Tilt is real in low elo so I avoid the jg role completely now. Much easier to carry from mid
That’s what I hate while playing jg. I’m new to the game and am in bronze elo. Countless times I’m being blamed for deaths because they’re getting ganked while I’m at objectives
Hello, i was hardstuck gold for 2 years, and i never ever played mid lane, i was jungle support or top most of the time. But then i realised after watching some mid lane guides how bad actually mid laners are in gold elo. (Im talking about this roaming stuff and coinflipping every fight) So i rotated myself from playing sett top to sett mid and i literally climbed with 1 or 2 losses from gold2 to plat 4 like i was smurfing
7:00 and this is the issue here. The game is over in YOUR head because you are a Challenger player. In reality, two lost camps mean NOTHING in low elo and you get that gold and XP back so easily with one kill and a mild wave tax. Regarding top lane, that is absolutely true. All you have to do is NOT do anything fancy or crazy and play it patient and smart. Most enemies will give enough opportunities to get kills anyway because they are NOT playing it patient and smart.
That's literally how i win most hard or uncomfortable match ups in top lane, bore the enemy to death. And then watch them get 3 kills out of nowhere because NOONE looks at pings.
so for most laners the advice is "stick to your lane and let the enemy's flamboyance be their downfall" and for jg it's "A player in misplay tends to remain in misplay unless acted upon by an outside force"
One thing that I would like to add to the midlane tip, is that you should always at least leave into the fog every time you push in. This will basically force everyone on the map to play safe and if they don't, well then that's your queue to roam. Of course, if the enemy laner oversteps when you have a lead then you should absolutely use it to punish him instead. If he is smart and respects you, then yeah, you're not gonna get much from just sitting in your lane. And lastly, if you're behind, or even in a loosing matchup (which is most of the matchups I get into as an Aurelion Sol main, lol) then you should be the one respecting your opponent and waiting for him to make a mistake. If they roam and your teammates actually mess up horribly, then following will probably not do anything good, so just push and take the turret. If your teammaes play perfectly safe and smart and your opponent STILL goes to roam, then that's when you should go and counter gank, as it's a dumb play that would never work with even numbers. These are just the general rules of thumb that you should follow in the midlane. It's important that you recognize patterns in how your opponents play and adapt accordingly. After all you're fighting against humans and not an AI, so doing the same thing twice will absolutely not bring the same results (that's basically why League is so hard in a nutshell). EDIT: Oh yeah, and I should probably mention that if you DO get good opportunities to roam, then you should really pay attention to what your jungler is doing. You should usually roam on the same side that he is in, so you can double up on a gank or 2v1 an enemy jungler who stumbled into you. It's just a good way to optimize your roams, especially if you play champs with low early damage.
Top adc and support are basically the same, and why i stopped playing ranked. The optimal way to play is actually just boring and just stalling the laning phase and farming and not fighting
@@riverfu889 true thats why i dont play top, i play jungle cause thats the role where you actually have to fight early and make plays, laning is just boring
That midlane tip is literally how I went from silver to gold. Trying to perfect it though, because I think roaming to jg is much less of a coinflip these days and I often win games from 2v1 scuttles or raptor/buff invades
Honestly.. Roaming is OP in low Elo not because of the gold gained but because of the morale lost. Yeah, your third roam cost you half your tower and two waves of minions but enemy ADC is now sitting in fountain spamming ff. The most effective way to win in low Elo is to look up your opponents and target specifically the one on a losing streak. The problem is of course that ways to win in low elo don't help you get out of it as higher Elo will just slap you down.
Hector "the reason you lose as midlane is you roam too much" (me knowing roam timings etc but sorta passive on most champs) my skill capped coach "you don't roam enough, everything else is almost perfect here" me: visible confusion
Let's be honest when you have your team int more than the enemy team does game is over, I can be consistent as I want, have over 70% kill partecipation but If I get in a team that does nothing but int the game is unwinnable. Can't be the only one ahead or on part with the enemy team. I lost so many games being the most fed player but having the other four buddies be at 1 item at 27 min. It is just not possible to carry them so hard for the standard player base, you can be good but if the other four refuse to play and start being toxic match is over regardless
I felt like I was losing my mind cause of mobis boots being a buy over swiftness ones for every engage support in my soloq. Thanks for telling me I'm not crazy.
That's the reason why I tell friends who newly start League to maybe not look at the Mobafire guide from the Challenger player.. Look at the one from someone who is "only" Diamond/Platinum, it will often apply so much better. Challenger guides for supports often recommend Mobis, whereas I think "lower" elo ones tend to recommend Swiftness/Mercury etc.
14:07 "I'm still in range to help peel enemy melee champions from jumping on my carries" *Draven proceeds to die to enemy melee champion* Not the best clip to illustrate that point bud XD
@@manuellanthaler2001 no definitely, as an ADC main, his positioning was horrible and Nami was clutching the other carry. I just found it funny how perfect the timing was 🤣
As mid and support I feel so pressed about roaming because the situation in other lanes screams in my ear, pleading me to roam, but I'm just afraid of losing time, gold and lane.
dont help your other lanes never do it worst case scenario is them getting fed... so they can int the shutdown to enemy jungler so he can snowball the game. its rarely worth bro. and roaming to a losing lane depending on how fed they are its a 50 50 coinflip most of the time if it works
Thresh, ranged champion that beyond all law of game, with an engaging ability, poking power by powered aa and a ridiculous damage although being a support is broken
What I've learned is that when I play Nasus top I just need one early gank. I don't even want the kill. I just need one clean wave of half stacks and farm to get my tier 2 boots , and a push to the enemy tower that pushes back into my lane so I save an early tp. And then by the 2nd to and my ult idc who im against . I won't die and they'll be bored out of their minds while I spam Ctrl3 .
8:02 If a game makes you feel bored the game is either not your style or its a bad game in terms of design or gameplay or story depending on the type of game
I play Ashe and ADC most of the time also I'm a newcomer, and yeah I myself noticed that sometimes I just try to get kills for no reasons other than be greedy where I should take my time farming creeps to build my skills and items. I have a lot to learn on the game and mistakes are a way to learn from!
Update to it, I now play Tristana (and Kai'sa secondary) I'm really more patient about it, try to punish my opponent for overextending, being parallel to my support and yeah it works!
I would had liked if you had mentioned that midlane topband jgl should always look for scuttle,dragon,harald scirms when having prio. Often as a jgl i get let alone in a situation where the enemy jgl overextended abd didn't get punished buy the lack of movement from my strong lanes
Hector is underestimating low elo capabilities of doing bad things and having shitty decisions. I'm jungler and i can 100% say that if let my teamate get ganked more than once without going there, there's 70% that he will troll my game or start delivering kill after kill to the enemy laner. Also, if i'm the one getting invaded i usually can't contest because all my laners just think of farming and """"""""""controlling wave"""""""""""", so for the love of God, don't say that they should farm more.
"So, as a high elo player who smurfs a lot to better understand low elo, I regularly encounter players who are pretty good at their role." Smurfs are the problem with this game. League is just battle of the smurfs at this point. You either get good enough to become a smurf or get smurfed on. You'll never know how well you actually stack up until you climb out.
So watch the jg section and I agree cause it does work better to farm and look for gank along your path rather then just rush a gank. Issue is low elo play are so toxic they blame jg and leave or just in and give the game away and just say jg diff. It super dumb how I have to choose to play smart or play to not have a 4v5
I love your honesty and how you admit your mistakes with pride. I have a lot of respect for you, I am not sure what your name is but I like you and your calming voice very much. I hope we can play together sometime. thanks for the video
I honestly have a rule of never leaving my layne before 14min unless something extreme happens (like Junglers dueling close to me while my enemy is base) or I'm something like an Asol or Talon and can go back to the layne in 5 seconds.
The problem is actually as you described - rarely do players respond to your ganks. So I started playing like no one on my team can play.... and started winning right away. Only this does not apply only to ganks - to objectives, to fights, to everything really. If you are UNSURE - dont help your team. It's a bad habbit in low elo. That said, it's a pretty unfun way play the game :)
So are we just going to forget about the fact they had a video series about climbing bronze to diamond in 4 months and failed to do so with a bronze player like they advertise what are we doing wasting our time here on this
can you make a video about ap nasus ? im a low elo ap nasus main and im actually climbing with it playing mid wich is weird since i have always been hardstuck bronze playing normal champions and im almost gold now that i picked up ap nasus a few months ago, anyway, i still rly fucking suck with it so im rly wondering what is your philosophy about it ? do you think it has any real strenght ? what do you build on it ? what do you consider to be your role with it ? what is your approach to the laning phase with it ?
Ah, the advice for my type of champion is to not buy something I've stopped since they upped the price like 2 seasons ago x) The top advice is very much useful to several lanes tho : please adcs let the wave bounce, your support giving you a lot of room by pressuring the opponent doesn't mean you have to auto hit the wave constantly.
Gosh this is soooo true. I can't count the number of games where we get a lead, we have a perfect opportunity to freeze or slow push, but my adc keep auto attacking so the ennemy adc do not miss a single cs.
@@valentintran6763 That's where your intelligence comes in, I literally saw an ashe hiding in a Bush, and then when the wave got close to the Bush, she began automatically auto'ing it, because of her having auto attack on.
@@X33Ultras0und Actually automatic auto doesn't work if you're in a bush and not visible by ennem team, that's a neat strat to detect if your bush is warded. So this Ashewas warded or did it with a click lol
i like this guide, i tried it right after after i finished the video. my opponent literally hard int'ed into me. it even caused my adc to go 12/3. my team then ff'ed for no reason while ahead, but all in all was good game.
"Getting there 10 seconds later really doesn't matter" Say that to my high plat/diamond premades as they die to a predator Katarina jungle who's a lvl under at lvl3 and proceedes to double kill them after running through 2 wards, scuttel vision and constant spam pinging from me.
Timmy's the type of guy that responds with "Sorry I don't spend my whole life on this game, I have a job". Instead of playing norms when his mental is too tired from work to play ranked.
I went into this expecting to be tilted by you pointing out something I do very bad as support, but instead you validated my playstyle of staying at extreme ability limit range and approach healing like octopuses do sex. From VERY far away. Also you probably taught me more about what I was SUPPOSED to do every time I get roped into filling top or jungle than any of the guides I've seen so far.
Im a Mid/Jg main, and im not joking, the only real thing i took from this was actually taking into account the CS in their jg and invading based on that alone, went from P2 to D4 in 2 days, had some massive win streaks, and i never was able to go over that plat 1 hump. Lmao thanks
Hey, I'm an unranked player but if I where to put a rank on me, I'll say I'm Iron IV. My comments on- Mid: I roam because I usually can't fight the mid laner, so I just pretend I'm Quinn and become a second jungler until I feel like I can fight mid. Only problem is that if I roam, usually they roam too, so they basically always win. This is why I hate playing mid. Jungle: Yeah, invading jungle is great, but what if they invade your jungle? Also, isn't there comeback experience, making this invade not really worth it because in about 4 mins, she'll be at your current level? Top: As a Kayle main, I'm always bored until level 6. But, I've fought Kayle's that fuck me up so hard even before then. This is why I just fight my top laner no matter what. I have to hype myself up while playing Top or else I just fall asleep. That has 100% happened to me before and had a ff because I wasn't present. Also, pemrapushing and hoping that they are worse than me is legit all I hope for because I'm too bad for improvement. I just have to hope they are high/drunk/can't play the game. ADC: Wait, I'm just supposed to wait until they fuck up? But.. nvm. Anyways, this is the most coin flip out of my roles. Sometimes I go 14/2, sometimes 7/7, sometimes 2/15. Honestly, I probably need a proper coach to teach me how to fucking play adc right because of all of my problems, but yeah sure mate. Sometimes, I can try to punish their mistakes and get sick kills, but other times, I try the same thing and end up feeding. Support: oh wait, I thought this role didn't matter- Honestly, I barely play support, legit int and somehow still get tonnes of assists. However, I do have a weird feeling when playing Pyke support. Like, how am I to support if I just get blown up by doing my cc? I pull them into me and they get a double kill. As for any tankier supports, I just follow the aphromoo support guide. You know, the one from 8 years ago. Also, thank you for telling me about the moba boots.
I think one of the biggest mistakes that jungler players make in low elo is they take the advice "never gank a losing lane" too literally. The main thing is that they're not taking the time determine if it's actually losing or if it's very slightly in the enemy's favor. A good example would be a ranged top against a melee bruiser, where the ranged top has a kill against your bruiser. This lane is usually not actually losing because even with a kill you should be able to practically one shot the ranged champion in a 2V1 scenario. However a scenario where you have a Darius with no kills versus a Nasus pre6 can generally be considered a losing Lane unless you have the ability to kill Darius with the current amount of health he has. Basically the biggest thing is just being able to analyze how match-ups actually turn out instead of looking at on face value or KDA. Helps to play the role for a while usually.
It's also important to take the champs role mid and late into account. Malphite doesn't need to be fed to be really impactful in team fights, for example.
I simply dont play anymore, and went to TFT. the players have gotten worst over the years.When I play randomly[because of Tyler 1 or watching the "how a blah blah got to masters" videos] I just observe how bad they are, and how nothing I do matters, So avoid ruining KDA, by staying inside base mostly until they FF or enemy pushes.
@@oreomilk9912 yeah ranked is competitive but it's all about having fun. Not like you are getting paid to play 😂. I play normals to test and ranked to have fun. It makes it easier to move on with my life if I don't play like it's a job.
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I realized my mistake later but it was too late hahaha that 1million plus points Illaoi destroyed my 4 winstreak on shen
maybe due to 3 previous loss before that I guess I should have taken a breath of air,break, or played tft instead to get my bearings
For me personally mobi is a trash yhea you get a lot of movemeent speed to roam the map and you are thresh or bard that wants to make cross map plays and help your laners score kill.The other effects of other boots are more useful in the long term. Lastly I think mobi should get a movement buff rather than a price buff and I think mobi is only good in some very certain specific games.
@@ivanpanganiban4149 enchanted boots were the best.
Love you Hector, you're the best
After being tortured by Skill Capped, Hector is now representing Low Elo
did you not see him write HELP ME in the end screen?
Hector IS low elo. Not literally, but metaphorically.
Hector IS low elo lol
The top lane flowchart dictates that when you die you're supposed to flame your jungler.
and stay in bronze.
Yeah that garen shouldve been ganked 5x for overpushing that long
@@skinnymon123 Its not worth ganking top lane depending on who the enemy is and who your top laner is as dragons, mid lane, and bot lane are more important
@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena god i love top impact
@@skinnymon123 hay man its the sit there and file your taxes lane for a reason lol
0:35 - Midlane
3:54 - Jungle
7:52 - Toplane
11:06 - Adc
13:00 - Support
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Ty bro !
Poor Timmy he's just relaxing after working 8hs and enjoying his 1h gaming.
Timmy shouldn't be in ranked if he's relaxing lmao
Normal games exist for that specific reason, also why I don't play ranked.
@@avery1349 shut up i let him do what he want and i swear god if anything happends to him ..
you forgot "in soloq"
@@justanotherguy9516 LoL ranked is like extreme sports but mentally, play on own own responsibility xdd
As an argentinian, i don't recommend you being here. Trust me, it's better to stay in the middle of the fray.
Nami went into argentina, paid the taxes from having +2 items and now she sold his boots.
The goverment said that she didnt really need boots.
Too close to Brazil.
Ayuda saquenme de argentina no puedo pagar la luz y el agua
As an Argentinian, I completely agree
like the other cartel members?
cutting each other up while theyre still alive
14:04 “I’m still able to peel my carries” as draven gets jumped and dies
It doesn't matter where the support is. If the adc is going to charge under tower after a kill and an assassin is in range, the adc is going to die.
@@archmagusofevil samira with bt shieldbow begs to differ
@@halfbl00d55 he said adc, not samira
@@halfbl00d55 last time I checked, she was an assassin bruiser that shields herself as if she had a lulu in her kit with high mobility, absurd lifesteal and aoe one shots that happens to be ranged
@@FG011 LMAOOOOOO
Not only do I think Hector's guides are some of the best, he like's to prove there are best ways to outplay your opponents other than being mechanically superior to them, so it's always a reason of joy looking at a guide's title and watching Hectors name on it, that being said: we're still waiting for the Hector challenge where he has to smurf in low elo blind flolded while a rabid squirrel it's trying to gain access to his underwear and the only way to avoid it it's to win lane under 30 secs before minions spawn playing teemo top with only a teamat.
LOL, jokes aside I completely agree. Micro is big but macro is so much more reliable and easy to do. Playing consistently using fundamentals is easier than split-second skillshot dodges.
@@abhishektyagi7402 it's the definition of working smarter not harder ^^
Reminds me of S.I.M.P. (Squirrels In My Pants)
If you’re having a hard time with #3, here’s a weird tip: Play incredibly dumb off-meta picks, like bard, thresh, or braum, in top lane. The novelty and inherent humor of playing such a dumb pick will massively help you not get bored, while they’ll almost certainly get impatient that this guy they CLEARLY should be beating (who tf thinks Braum top will work?) has managed to not die yet, and will start making dumb plays you can exploit.
In that situation with Hector, Thresh could clap him
THIS, i stg this is the same reason toplaners cry about ranged vs melee, they literally cant stand to just accept that they need to play safe and not fight
no pls dont tell my teammates to play yuumi top, not again
@Everyone if you happen to be on @@posmotri7722's team, make sure to play yuumi top
14:00. Being literally argentine this is a lot funnier than it has any right to be.
I didn't understand bro que dice el pibe
@@dekoshii Que estaba literal en Argentina, o sea que esta del otro lado del mundo a la pelea, pero que igual podía ayudar.
YES YES SI SI
@@brunobonfiglioliveros7011 ok
@@Zancibar piola
hector is the best one who makes guides in skill capped lol he is so funny and really helped me to learn macro so ez
even though i used to climb by outplaying my opponents :)
i missed hector chalnges about playing without a mouse and feeding lol
i want to see his react sometime when they tell him about a chalenge or even post a lost challenge
we need more hector content
He said it! He said Argentina! WE DO EXIST JAJAJAJ
Un capo el Hector
buenarda la guia
Xd
spanish brazil
@@emceemikey si
Hector is that type of dad that has to suffer a lot yet he knows it's for the better of everybody else
Hector is best boy
Discord sama >W
Meanwhile me playing support in actual Argentina: why do I keep dying I thought this was perfect positioning
As a toplaner I can confirm this point, but it's often not due to boredness but because you feel like you should "win this lane" and in most people's eyes this means: you must get kills. Especially against lategame champs you can feel like you're on a clock so you have to make a move, leading to bad plays and an avenue for the opponent to shut you down and ge accelerated.
As a support main, I feel like my junglers don’t take advantage of the deep wards I provide. It’s information on the enemy jungler, use it!!
Those wards will start to pay off around plat
Yep, they're really useful but some junglers just don't look at the minimap enough and kinda shut off their brain while playing.. can't say I haven't done it but yeah
I'm playing low elo and being constantly flamed for staying in mid lane punishing the perma roamers. The part on adcs is 100% true but same goes for supports playing aggressively 24/7 not letting you farm and flaming u for not picking every suicide mission they create.
There are supports who must get going early or its GG. If you have engage supports and they land a hook, you most likely will get a kill but you NEED to cooperate. I play a lot of pyke and if my adc considers my plays "suicide missions" and doesnt follow up I will simply leave bot lane for the rest of the game.
Start playing farming simulator, and you'll be glad you did. Farming when all you allies aren't will make you be surprisingly tanky when they finally try fighting you. Maybe not as an ADC, but definitely as mid, top of jungle. Even kindred jungle. Because solo experience gives levels and having more levels than your opponent gives you extra everything. (except AP) it gives you more ad, more ability damage, more HP, more armour and magic res, more attack speed, and shorter ability cool downs.
The only time I get annoyed after the enemy mid roams is when ours is sat in lane just last hitting. At least push the tower to get a plate or at worst deny them the wave, do *something*.
I really wish we could stop using the term "inting". Low elo players aren't always intentionally feeding. It's just that we don't know our limits very well, it's hard to keep track of what makes a champion strong at what points in the game etc. So it's easy to misjudge a situation and get punished for it, but that doesn't mean we're intentionally trying to lose
1. Roams, as a jungle main this is absolutely killing me. People leave lane, not knowing how or when to roam, or roaming badly and abandoning lanes. It is pretty much impossible to jungle when every lane does this. They all think they are pros and what they are doing is offering no pressure or priority losing out on XP and gold. I cant do drakes or gank as easily with no priority. The irony is they almost never collapse on enemy jungle near scuttle for example, but will walk all over the map or in jungle for no reason. As RIOT tries to fix all the mobility, hopefully it chills out some. because you combine that with hyper mobile jungles like Hecarim or Lillith and its GG.
As far as bot lane supports and adc have no idea wave control. even people like your support tapping minions prematurely advancing the lane state. And I see so many people not register that plates, pay you gold... no one goes for plates.
Yeah man Lillith is OP in the meta
it gets better higher elo you are. meaning it will happen still but less. if laners roam too often just take their waves it doesnt matter its like getting a kill for free experience wise. only bad thing is riots funnel protection punishing this at some point
15:23 The Mobility-boot-part is quite eye-opening. As a low-elo-support myself I always personally found swiftys way better on almost anything, but got peer-pressured into not buying them. Gotta start buying them again now.
Welp, I always bought mobi except with heavy slow comp (Ashe, *NASUS*, Braum etc) but now I think I'll buy them a lot more. Also I don't roam really succesfully so yeah, probably don't need them. X)
@@madelith5834 Theyre not that good, theyre the same as merc treads.
I always thought about that... But since I'm low Elo and everyone just says mobility boots I eventually thought I was wrong foot preferring swifts
@@kfk4441 Swifty’s and Ionian boots are about all I build in my supports. Swifty’s is good on Senna so you can zoom across the map to help your team. Ionian is great if you have the mana to spend so you can just keep using your abilities.
Yea but mobility boots are great for Leona
For the support stuff, I will say that, while playing back and safe is great in the mid and late game, in the early game, you need to have more aggressive positioning. Not only is it going to help you stack your gold item faster, it'll also make it so the lane isn't a 2v1 for your ADC. If the wave is in the center of the lane and my support is sitting in the tower, I have to also sit in the tower or I risk dying, because I don't care if you can throw your Ebb and Flow on me from that range and have it bounce onto an enemy, you're still not contributing anything valuable to the lane. Supports need to be willing to take a little bit of risk and a little bit of damage in the early game so that all of it isn't going directly onto their carry. It's part of the reason why laning with a Yuumi who refuses to detach is so infuriating. The carry is the only one taking damage, and she doesn't have the healing early to counteract it.
No. 1 mistake everyone makes: playing league of legends
Hector: Don't stand at top lane tower and just poke at them.
**Laughs in Illaoi**
(Post 6 people; before that don't. Please. I make enough of those mistakes for the both of us, lol)
I know a lot of players think that if all five players push a single lane that everyone should run to lane to defend but all you have to do is make a strategic withdraw . Let the other lanes get ahead in CS and the jungle invades farming enemy's jungle . After that tower goes down , four of your team should be ahead on CS with yourself still equal to your opponent because everyone else on his team was taking his CS.
Gotta say that info about top lane makes me want to play more top lane. I am an adc main who loves freezing lane under tower and beating out my opponent by getting more CS. My issue generally is when my support gets bored and starts pushing my wave because they want to fight more. I'd say when i solo que roughly 50% of my supports tell me ill never win lane by just freezing and we need to start fighting more. I personally love winning by not fighting in solo que. The concept of fighting being too coin flippy in my elo really got stuck in my head and I really try to avoid unnecessary fighting. So yeah I think ill try more lazy top lane play. It honestly sounds fun to me.
You are in the right mindset. You can't listen to anyone in low elo, because that's like listening to a failure at life on how to live.
freezing takes every pressure from the lane though both laners can move without technically losing anything... cause they wouldnt get the farm anyway depending on how fed you are
and turret plates are op bro dont overvalue freezing pls
@@manuellanthaler2001 you freeze and then when enemy bot decides to roam or whatever you simply push out. Actually not that hard of a concept. Come midgame you are so much stronger that even if you lost the first 2 drakes the enemy can't contest 3rd drake anyways.
Thank you so much, I realized that I was never bored/found top lane boring as a top laner so I realized that it's my fault that I can't climb, started being bored and won through enemy inting into me
The jungle one... I play this way and always get super ahead but you can't do that in gold. It ends up with me having afks around 1/3 games because their jg 'ganks more' despite me having over double their Cs and full objective control. Tilt is real in low elo so I avoid the jg role completely now. Much easier to carry from mid
That’s what I hate while playing jg. I’m new to the game and am in bronze elo. Countless times I’m being blamed for deaths because they’re getting ganked while I’m at objectives
8:45 that laugh had me laughing too hard
hehe boaii
Please make this guide for roaming! We’re all eager to see it 🤩!
Hello, i was hardstuck gold for 2 years, and i never ever played mid lane, i was jungle support or top most of the time.
But then i realised after watching some mid lane guides how bad actually mid laners are in gold elo. (Im talking about this roaming stuff and coinflipping every fight)
So i rotated myself from playing sett top to sett mid and i literally climbed with 1 or 2 losses from gold2 to plat 4 like i was smurfing
7:00 and this is the issue here. The game is over in YOUR head because you are a Challenger player. In reality, two lost camps mean NOTHING in low elo and you get that gold and XP back so easily with one kill and a mild wave tax.
Regarding top lane, that is absolutely true. All you have to do is NOT do anything fancy or crazy and play it patient and smart. Most enemies will give enough opportunities to get kills anyway because they are NOT playing it patient and smart.
Save some time:
0:35 Mid
3:55 Jungle
7:55 Top
11:07 ADC
13:00 Support
I love that you put you died to the Garen. I'll sub just for that. :)
"im literally in argentina but still helping" LOL as an argentinian, i felt that one my man, great reference, and great content.
That's literally how i win most hard or uncomfortable match ups in top lane, bore the enemy to death.
And then watch them get 3 kills out of nowhere because NOONE looks at pings.
Right? It drives me NUTS. I ping for help no one ever comes 😐
"they almost refuse to be bored for a couple of minutes"
how dare you be so right about me.
so for most laners the advice is "stick to your lane and let the enemy's flamboyance be their downfall" and for jg it's "A player in misplay tends to remain in misplay unless acted upon by an outside force"
One thing that I would like to add to the midlane tip, is that you should always at least leave into the fog every time you push in. This will basically force everyone on the map to play safe and if they don't, well then that's your queue to roam.
Of course, if the enemy laner oversteps when you have a lead then you should absolutely use it to punish him instead. If he is smart and respects you, then yeah, you're not gonna get much from just sitting in your lane.
And lastly, if you're behind, or even in a loosing matchup (which is most of the matchups I get into as an Aurelion Sol main, lol) then you should be the one respecting your opponent and waiting for him to make a mistake. If they roam and your teammates actually mess up horribly, then following will probably not do anything good, so just push and take the turret. If your teammaes play perfectly safe and smart and your opponent STILL goes to roam, then that's when you should go and counter gank, as it's a dumb play that would never work with even numbers.
These are just the general rules of thumb that you should follow in the midlane. It's important that you recognize patterns in how your opponents play and adapt accordingly. After all you're fighting against humans and not an AI, so doing the same thing twice will absolutely not bring the same results (that's basically why League is so hard in a nutshell).
EDIT: Oh yeah, and I should probably mention that if you DO get good opportunities to roam, then you should really pay attention to what your jungler is doing. You should usually roam on the same side that he is in, so you can double up on a gank or 2v1 an enemy jungler who stumbled into you. It's just a good way to optimize your roams, especially if you play champs with low early damage.
Let Hector do ASMR guides and you will be rich
Top adc and support are basically the same, and why i stopped playing ranked. The optimal way to play is actually just boring and just stalling the laning phase and farming and not fighting
True. If climbing the ladder means wasting 30 mins of my time I'd rather stay low elo
sounds like you fit well into the top lane players category in this video!
@@riverfu889 true thats why i dont play top, i play jungle cause thats the role where you actually have to fight early and make plays, laning is just boring
That midlane tip is literally how I went from silver to gold. Trying to perfect it though, because I think roaming to jg is much less of a coinflip these days and I often win games from 2v1 scuttles or raptor/buff invades
Honestly.. Roaming is OP in low Elo not because of the gold gained but because of the morale lost. Yeah, your third roam cost you half your tower and two waves of minions but enemy ADC is now sitting in fountain spamming ff.
The most effective way to win in low Elo is to look up your opponents and target specifically the one on a losing streak.
The problem is of course that ways to win in low elo don't help you get out of it as higher Elo will just slap you down.
Hector "the reason you lose as midlane is you roam too much" (me knowing roam timings etc but sorta passive on most champs) my skill capped coach "you don't roam enough, everything else is almost perfect here" me: visible confusion
Let's be honest when you have your team int more than the enemy team does game is over, I can be consistent as I want, have over 70% kill partecipation but If I get in a team that does nothing but int the game is unwinnable. Can't be the only one ahead or on part with the enemy team. I lost so many games being the most fed player but having the other four buddies be at 1 item at 27 min. It is just not possible to carry them so hard for the standard player base, you can be good but if the other four refuse to play and start being toxic match is over regardless
I felt like I was losing my mind cause of mobis boots being a buy over swiftness ones for every engage support in my soloq. Thanks for telling me I'm not crazy.
That's the reason why I tell friends who newly start League to maybe not look at the Mobafire guide from the Challenger player.. Look at the one from someone who is "only" Diamond/Platinum, it will often apply so much better. Challenger guides for supports often recommend Mobis, whereas I think "lower" elo ones tend to recommend Swiftness/Mercury etc.
14:07 "I'm still in range to help peel enemy melee champions from jumping on my carries"
*Draven proceeds to die to enemy melee champion*
Not the best clip to illustrate that point bud XD
no one can help this draven when he stands there but he supported him as good as possible
@@manuellanthaler2001 no definitely, as an ADC main, his positioning was horrible and Nami was clutching the other carry. I just found it funny how perfect the timing was 🤣
Finally someone understands my passive adc style! 🙌 I feel like I’m actually playing correctly 😂
Love me some passive adcs get cs we’ll win the game later.
Argentines when they have 0,0001% screen-time:
I want to get mad, but it´s true lol
Although I don't condone the smurfing, it did end up making a great set of tips. Thanks!
As mid and support I feel so pressed about roaming because the situation in other lanes screams in my ear, pleading me to roam, but I'm just afraid of losing time, gold and lane.
Let them scream. You're in a game with 9 bots all with over 100 billion ping/chat scripts.
dont help your other lanes never do it worst case scenario is them getting fed... so they can int the shutdown to enemy jungler so he can snowball the game. its rarely worth bro. and roaming to a losing lane depending on how fed they are its a 50 50 coinflip most of the time if it works
"garen ends up doing no meaningful damage"
Gets chunked down and tower dove
"I did end up dying to the garen"
Thresh, ranged champion that beyond all law of game, with an engaging ability, poking power by powered aa and a ridiculous damage although being a support is broken
The one thing I love is they show their mistakes which show even higher lvls die and comeback their games so that one death wont change much
i fuckgin lost it when timmy was on gnar lmaooo
Stop I wasn't even thinking about this LMAO. Gnar players are either eating glue or cracked as brokenblade
What I've learned is that when I play Nasus top I just need one early gank. I don't even want the kill. I just need one clean wave of half stacks and farm to get my tier 2 boots , and a push to the enemy tower that pushes back into my lane so I save an early tp. And then by the 2nd to and my ult idc who im against . I won't die and they'll be bored out of their minds while I spam Ctrl3 .
8:02
If a game makes you feel bored the game is either not your style or its a bad game in terms of design or gameplay or story
depending on the type of game
I play Ashe and ADC most of the time also I'm a newcomer, and yeah I myself noticed that sometimes I just try to get kills for no reasons other than be greedy where I should take my time farming creeps to build my skills and items. I have a lot to learn on the game and mistakes are a way to learn from!
Update to it, I now play Tristana (and Kai'sa secondary) I'm really more patient about it, try to punish my opponent for overextending, being parallel to my support and yeah it works!
I would had liked if you had mentioned that midlane topband jgl should always look for scuttle,dragon,harald scirms when having prio. Often as a jgl i get let alone in a situation where the enemy jgl overextended abd didn't get punished buy the lack of movement from my strong lanes
Hector is underestimating low elo capabilities of doing bad things and having shitty decisions. I'm jungler and i can 100% say that if let my teamate get ganked more than once without going there, there's 70% that he will troll my game or start delivering kill after kill to the enemy laner.
Also, if i'm the one getting invaded i usually can't contest because all my laners just think of farming and """"""""""controlling wave"""""""""""", so for the love of God, don't say that they should farm more.
i play jungle and my team always feeds!!!!!! can you boost?? please :D
Yes!!!!! I like how e-build Nasus mid is being featured in this video starting at around 3:02!
"So, as a high elo player who smurfs a lot to better understand low elo, I regularly encounter players who are pretty good at their role."
Smurfs are the problem with this game. League is just battle of the smurfs at this point. You either get good enough to become a smurf or get smurfed on. You'll never know how well you actually stack up until you climb out.
Just stay calm and farm. Got it!
*5 minute into the match:
The top lane renekton dying to tryndamere “this shitty jungler never gank me. 15 ff”
14:08 I’m still in range to help peel melee champions from my carrys-
Draven getting dumpstered by Diana: HALP
So watch the jg section and I agree cause it does work better to farm and look for gank along your path rather then just rush a gank. Issue is low elo play are so toxic they blame jg and leave or just in and give the game away and just say jg diff. It super dumb how I have to choose to play smart or play to not have a 4v5
I love your honesty and how you admit your mistakes with pride. I have a lot of respect for you, I am not sure what your name is but I like you and your calming voice very much. I hope we can play together sometime.
thanks for the video
Mobi boots feel awful if you're not a pro. On any champion. Nice tip
I honestly have a rule of never leaving my layne before 14min unless something extreme happens (like Junglers dueling close to me while my enemy is base) or I'm something like an Asol or Talon and can go back to the layne in 5 seconds.
The problem is actually as you described - rarely do players respond to your ganks. So I started playing like no one on my team can play.... and started winning right away.
Only this does not apply only to ganks - to objectives, to fights, to everything really. If you are UNSURE - dont help your team. It's a bad habbit in low elo.
That said, it's a pretty unfun way play the game :)
So are we just going to forget about the fact they had a video series about climbing bronze to diamond in 4 months and failed to do so with a bronze player like they advertise what are we doing wasting our time here on this
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I just came to say that "I'm just literally in Argentina". Buenos Aires.
can you make a video about ap nasus ? im a low elo ap nasus main and im actually climbing with it playing mid wich is weird since i have always been hardstuck bronze playing normal champions and im almost gold now that i picked up ap nasus a few months ago, anyway, i still rly fucking suck with it so im rly wondering what is your philosophy about it ? do you think it has any real strenght ? what do you build on it ? what do you consider to be your role with it ? what is your approach to the laning phase with it ?
Can i give and advice as you give it to me, don't be so shy you voice is low energy you should work on that
i play nunu there are no minions left .i can't stay mid sowwy.
willump
First liker
Ah, the advice for my type of champion is to not buy something I've stopped since they upped the price like 2 seasons ago x)
The top advice is very much useful to several lanes tho : please adcs let the wave bounce, your support giving you a lot of room by pressuring the opponent doesn't mean you have to auto hit the wave constantly.
Gosh this is soooo true. I can't count the number of games where we get a lead, we have a perfect opportunity to freeze or slow push, but my adc keep auto attacking so the ennemy adc do not miss a single cs.
So many low elo people play with auto attack on, so they literally can't not auto the wave.
@@X33Ultras0und I do too, but I also press 'S' to stop moving and stop auto-ing. I find it actually helpful to score last-hits.
@@valentintran6763 That's where your intelligence comes in, I literally saw an ashe hiding in a Bush, and then when the wave got close to the Bush, she began automatically auto'ing it, because of her having auto attack on.
@@X33Ultras0und Actually automatic auto doesn't work if you're in a bush and not visible by ennem team, that's a neat strat to detect if your bush is warded. So this Ashewas warded or did it with a click lol
i like this guide, i tried it right after after i finished the video. my opponent literally hard int'ed into me. it even caused my adc to go 12/3. my team then ff'ed for no reason while ahead, but all in all was good game.
Correct, Argentina is very far away. Me, an argentinian, can confirm.
"I'm literally in Argentina", Hector. me too, pls help me get out of here
"Getting there 10 seconds later really doesn't matter" Say that to my high plat/diamond premades as they die to a predator Katarina jungle who's a lvl under at lvl3 and proceedes to double kill them after running through 2 wards, scuttel vision and constant spam pinging from me.
hello Timmy, Why you didn't see me coming to gank.haha
“Smurfs to better understand low Elo” okay lol
the number of games I have to tell my team to let the other team "do the dumb" is astonishing
Timmy's the type of guy that responds with "Sorry I don't spend my whole life on this game, I have a job". Instead of playing norms when his mental is too tired from work to play ranked.
His voice is boring. Cant watch for long
Did some loser fizz player make a montage back in season 4 about him dodging a rammus with his E? That's nothing to boast about.
That was Bjergsen bro
ok but what if im a pyke mid player and i live for the coin flip roams
I went into this expecting to be tilted by you pointing out something I do very bad as support, but instead you validated my playstyle of staying at extreme ability limit range and approach healing like octopuses do sex. From VERY far away.
Also you probably taught me more about what I was SUPPOSED to do every time I get roped into filling top or jungle than any of the guides I've seen so far.
Im a Mid/Jg main, and im not joking, the only real thing i took from this was actually taking into account the CS in their jg and invading based on that alone, went from P2 to D4 in 2 days, had some massive win streaks, and i never was able to go over that plat 1 hump. Lmao thanks
Hey, I'm an unranked player but if I where to put a rank on me, I'll say I'm Iron IV.
My comments on-
Mid: I roam because I usually can't fight the mid laner, so I just pretend I'm Quinn and become a second jungler until I feel like I can fight mid. Only problem is that if I roam, usually they roam too, so they basically always win. This is why I hate playing mid.
Jungle: Yeah, invading jungle is great, but what if they invade your jungle? Also, isn't there comeback experience, making this invade not really worth it because in about 4 mins, she'll be at your current level?
Top: As a Kayle main, I'm always bored until level 6. But, I've fought Kayle's that fuck me up so hard even before then. This is why I just fight my top laner no matter what. I have to hype myself up while playing Top or else I just fall asleep. That has 100% happened to me before and had a ff because I wasn't present. Also, pemrapushing and hoping that they are worse than me is legit all I hope for because I'm too bad for improvement. I just have to hope they are high/drunk/can't play the game.
ADC: Wait, I'm just supposed to wait until they fuck up? But.. nvm. Anyways, this is the most coin flip out of my roles. Sometimes I go 14/2, sometimes 7/7, sometimes 2/15. Honestly, I probably need a proper coach to teach me how to fucking play adc right because of all of my problems, but yeah sure mate. Sometimes, I can try to punish their mistakes and get sick kills, but other times, I try the same thing and end up feeding.
Support: oh wait, I thought this role didn't matter- Honestly, I barely play support, legit int and somehow still get tonnes of assists. However, I do have a weird feeling when playing Pyke support. Like, how am I to support if I just get blown up by doing my cc? I pull them into me and they get a double kill. As for any tankier supports, I just follow the aphromoo support guide. You know, the one from 8 years ago. Also, thank you for telling me about the moba boots.
I think one of the biggest mistakes that jungler players make in low elo is they take the advice "never gank a losing lane" too literally. The main thing is that they're not taking the time determine if it's actually losing or if it's very slightly in the enemy's favor. A good example would be a ranged top against a melee bruiser, where the ranged top has a kill against your bruiser. This lane is usually not actually losing because even with a kill you should be able to practically one shot the ranged champion in a 2V1 scenario. However a scenario where you have a Darius with no kills versus a Nasus pre6 can generally be considered a losing Lane unless you have the ability to kill Darius with the current amount of health he has. Basically the biggest thing is just being able to analyze how match-ups actually turn out instead of looking at on face value or KDA. Helps to play the role for a while usually.
It's also important to take the champs role mid and late into account. Malphite doesn't need to be fed to be really impactful in team fights, for example.
10:00 im not a toplaner, im an adc, but this is sooo true. Boredom in lane gets me killed so often
I'm in Argentina so I already know how to play with range supports right?
I simply dont play anymore, and went to TFT. the players have gotten worst over the years.When I play randomly[because of Tyler 1 or watching the "how a blah blah got to masters" videos] I just observe how bad they are, and how nothing I do matters, So avoid ruining KDA, by staying inside base mostly until they FF or enemy pushes.
YO can you PLEASE make hector play qiyana i wanna see him play qiyana PLEASE skill capped
It's a game man your goal is to have fun. I afk farm because it's fun for me, if I was in the mood to have a bloodbath I would go jungle or mid.
Ranked tho
@@oreomilk9912 yeah ranked is competitive but it's all about having fun. Not like you are getting paid to play 😂. I play normals to test and ranked to have fun. It makes it easier to move on with my life if I don't play like it's a job.
wait, did Skillcapped just sponsor Hector??
Tldr, calm the f down, and farm
Thanks bro. No legit, it's actually helpful to hear this perspective lol
this meta is perfect for ap twitch support, all you have to do is roam, get a kill, get dark seal, roam, get nashor, roam, win game lmao
nashor's tooth*
@@xaladolokiyo "Did I stutter?"