The concluding facts were really important in this guide. In fact, here's a topic name which I'd suggest gets more focus: "If I must accept a punishment, what punish should I accept?" A lot of guides focus on how to successfully be aggressive in the game, but for those of us who naturally play defensively, such a topic could use some love.
@@solidaritytime3650 Its global communism, the money is tied to the debt of the people, aka their miseries. We we born with debt liened against our names, aka chattel slavery tied to our status a residents under commercial law.
Now that was a nice, useful and consistent guide, and not some "here's how you do [stuff]" disguising ”look at how this particular player smurfing managed to do [stuff] in this particular game" Keep it up, skill capped, this helped me a lot
I just spam ping to retreat and put in chat to follow me. They usually follow, but put in chat their confused. I tell them to at h cheater recall strategy on TH-cam. Lol.
Are we not gonna talk about how the sup is also very pivotal in push advantage or lvl 2 all in? Whether its relic shielding two melees on second wave or an enchanter throwing a few autos to assist the push
whats the recommended counterplay when the enemy will inevitably push faster than you (and is smart enough to do it)? e.g you are vayne vs caitlyn. atm i just keep damaging minions as much as i can and keep track of exactly when they're about to hit lvl 2, and back off only at the very last second, ensuring i make both options in this video as difficult as possible - they cant all in because i backed off to safety just as they're about to hit 2, and they cant slow push because they already attacked enough minions so that the wave will definitely crash before the 3rd wave
This is an insane video, thx a lot. I do those things but i found somethings i used to do wrong and that's why i get ganked or freezed by the enemy. I hope later there's a video like this but about what to do when your behind as adc, the macro when you're out of game is hell to me.
The biggest tip is ignoring your team's dumb pings while you try to grab any farm in any lane to catch up and hope your team doesn't throw which they always do. Good luck! EDIT: If the score is (close to) even or your team is ahead, you might be better off just grouping and trying to get numbers advantage somewhere on the map
exactly lol most of the supp usually mess up the lane especially poke supps most of the time morgana or lux will literally kill all caster minion before I can even hit them and the wave gets @#@!#$
this il all theoretically correct but in a real game you have to also evaluate your support's psychology. If you feel that they know what they are doing you can do this, but if for example you are preparing for a lvl 2 all in but you see that your tresh is hanging all the way behind you, you might not wanna push the wave anyway as you won't be able to all in and now the enemies can just freeze it.
As a Leona main I have to say the answer is always level 2 all-in. At least if there's a Leona support on your team and they're not that one guy on reddit who insists that you're trolling if you don't start W on Leona
With w nerfs on her I'd argue her e is more useful lvl 1 because you can start the all in before the last minion is killed before you get lvl 2 and follow up with a q/ign.
top is basically the same, mid is different cause the lane is shorter, but i saw that mid pros pull it off sometimes. I think that in mid it's just more difficult, cause you need a bigger wave to cheater recall. The liv advantage thing it's the same in all lanes and for junglers. Btw not all laners can push the first three waves, it depends on the matchup, for example against tristana it should be impossible to apply those two strategies, instead tristana can potentially always apply them, so you just need to make her push the waves to you and farm safely under tower. In competitive it's incredible how sometimes bot duo are really away from the wave in the first three waves,
*Pause when the enemy adc is going back* Me: Okay, it seems like Trist lv'd up E first so it may be hard to slow push but they seem scared, maybe they realized that they're not gonna get lv 2 first, so chea-" SK: "Actually all Samira wants to do is fight" *Samira turns and starts clicking on minions and pocking* *Pause when Sivir turns back* Me: M-maybe they will fight? Slow pushing can be hard, Sivir and Zilean Q's can thin the wave pretty fast and- SK: "It's more than obvious that Sivir is done with this sh1t" *Sivir running back to T2* :c
Just to chime in three weeks late as I've only just watched this video: While I got caught off-guard myself with the Tristana, I feel like the test in this case, as they should've narrated is actually to keep a very close eye on the adc once the second wave arrive. I got every other call right from the Ashe to the Sivir to the Senna. Because after messing up with hte Tristana, I saw the Ashe hitting the wave. Senna setting up her camp in Narnia because she had no support and the Sivir click back. Not sure if this helps or not but I wanted to add my two cents as someone who was in your position.
the pause timings werent really ideal for us to make the call, it should have been a second or two after the pauses shown here. other than that great concept and it truly is one of the most important aspects of botlane.
The thing is a majority of the sp in the low elo dont know about this either. most of the times I notice an oputunity to lvl 2 all in and push those melee fast so we can get lvl 2 and engage but my support just stood their and don't follow up at all resulting in me dying in vain, lol. Not saying that I'm better, it's just hard to play as an adc in solo Q, sadge
hmm gonna give this a go next i play, returning player after a 6 year break i quit on the edge of getting into gold so i'm hoping to climb higher this time.
I don't understand when the best time to hit a minion is. I practice in bots and when they are near quarter health i hit but it doesnt do much and i lose to the minions. Do you still get cs like that or only supports get that and adc has to hit?
how do i win with a brand jungle without flash, standing 10 mins afk in base in front of nexus towers and then inting all enemies hard so that im the only one with positive kd?
Just a jaded jungler, I think 90% of those idiots would find a way to lose down there😜 Jk y'all are right I was being tacky and making a joke! Best of luck to y'all and my you never be beat to level 2💪
me spikes lvl 2 first as ashe starts all in. shen circle jerks in bush back and forth till i get very low and dies to enemy support. shen flash executes enemy adc a small incursion happens in bush. i ping shen lvl 2 ?. shen goes into bush presumably taking a dump
You may be interested in their jungle lineup of videos. What I've learned from them is that the first couple clears are really played out as long as you assume that both are playing as efficiently as possible. If they're taking something inefficient, they are making an assumption that the play they're making has value which is worth the risk. Power Farming junglers will generally never sacrifice clear time for a gank, but with the recent jungle changes (affecting first scuttles), they have dead time which they need to find a use for, which is exactly why they've fallen out of the meta. Level 2 cheese junglers will gank immediately after their leashed camp (Twitch and Ezreal) because in order to get value out of their pick, they disobey the law and order of the jungle, so the counter to that is merely letting the relevant side's wave push (always including mid lane). In other words, level 2 cheesers are really strong when both mid lane and a side lane have an aggressive win condition against their team. All other junglers have a level 3 timing, which can be achieved by either using the quadrant they're already on, or (more commonly) transitioning to the other side to get their level 3. The goal in all of their cases is to get level 3 in time for the scuttle fight, or to find the opposing crab if they realize they're going to be outmatched. Right now, the level 3 crab fight is the meta specifically because level 3 junglers have the most options available to them, which means that they're the hardest to track. In my own unsubstantiated opinion, probably the best way to track the jungler is through the mid lane, by getting a ward deep enough to spy on the raptor camp. If you can spot the jungler doing raptors, you can get key intel on the intention of the jungler, whether they walk through the bush intending to go to the other side, run to the river to be ready to fight for crab (or gank for that matter), or run the other way towards Krugs. Any other option you might consider would be so wildly inefficient that it wouldn't result in a victory worth having. tl;dr, They've got some videos on this already, and tracking laners does not appear to be a valuable skill.
@@phongngothai6143 Mind you, you should still go find those other videos. I laid out the broad spectrum, but the videos give you something more digestible.
I tried these strategies... 1. My support didn't attack at lev 2. I died. 2. When I slow push for cheater recall... my support didn't recall, was mad I had recalled too early... then he died and flamed me. 3. I tried to slow push... but then my support got mad, flamed me, and pushed the wave, we both died and I got flamed by the Jungler and the Support.
I'm in Bronze. I understand these concepts, but I always seem to get supports that 1) won't help me hard push for level 2 / crash a wave despite lots of help pings, and/or 2) when I'm trying to freeze / slow push, deliberately use their mana and abilities to kill minions. How can I work around my supports not understanding wave management?
If you’re wanting to climb, find a reliable person you can duo with and implement these strategies. It’s so much easier with a friend, and if you guys can call each other and communicate it’s even better.
On a 41/5/4 game with Tristana I actually went with the lv2 all-in and it payed off really well! :D Quick edit: I was account level 28 for that game and I'm still under lv30 so it was a normal draft, not ranked with an inting Talong and Nami (said Nami RQ'd after 22 minutes)
So you had time to go for 41 kills but not ending the game? And why didnt you share the kills later on when you was full build? Your teammates needed the gold more than you at this point.
Plz make video about advanced concept about toplane i saw it midlane and botlane im main top so probably i need it xd. Also about toplane there are guides alot and thx for it but its all basics i wana know about advanced for top
So I am playing Samira ADC, and it doesnt matter how hard I try, somehow every time the enemy outtrades us and we loose the fight. Is that just a Samira thing, that she is too weak lv. 2?
Nice guide. 1 question: how do 90% of adc's lose their lanes in first 3 mins if there is a 50% chance of u winning lane. Either it's 100% (if ur leaving out the losing enemy) or it's 50% since there's 2 bot lanes. (I know there are lanes going even so it's +- but even if u round it out to 90% (if 10% of lanes go even or hit lvlv 2 same time), don't u just leave out 90% of winning adc's in this statistic?
I think you're misunderstanding. They're saying 90% of adcs that lose lane (so either red or blue side) has already lost it in the first 3 mins. Imagine it like 90% of adcs lose their lane in the first 3 mins, and the other 10% lose it after the 3 min mark.
What if I play jinx and my support is sona, and we play against draven and nautilus for example. Won't draven and nautilus beat us even though we are lvl 2 and they are lvl 1? Does that just mean we need to play carefully?
Any 2 level 2 champs will beat any 2 level 1 champs, simply based on base stats and the ability advantage. As long as you don’t mess up, it’s a guaranteed winning trade.
Results may vary. I tried this and seeing them backing off the 2nd wave I tried to slow push for a cheater recall. My support brand just hard pushed the wave anyways and called me a dog when I pinged him off the wave. (Plat 2 elo)
I've been doing this strategy for a while but as a support, I dont always get 300 (or 350 for long sword) gold by the time we crash the 3rd wave, so even if I recall, I cannot really get an item advantage with cheater recall, is there maybe a better strategy early on?
As support you don't go back. If your adc gets a cheater recall off you should either follow your jg OR look to gank mid. Ofc there's other options, like just getting a ward down around mid/enemy jg, but following an invade or ganking mid offer more returns.
we get the lvl 2 i go in. my supp pings me ? and let me die vs the lvl 1 enemy bot lane. Im trying to set up a cheater recall, my supp push and fucks up the wave by missing his poke. im tired of trying this
if you dont/cant clear as fast but play passive to avoid the level 2 all in doesn’t that just enable them to cheater recall …..i meeeean your solution is also a problem you have no answer to ? what do ?
The only part I don't really undrestand is cheater recall being an "advantage". Because it's not like you have teleport, so the enemy just builds up a slowpush on your tower that you can't contest since it's too late and a big wave you can't fight them in. Which then gives them the 'cheater recall' just a bit later. So I really don't see the dissadvantage there for the enemy
You thin the wave after you come back to lane. You will be back in the lane before they will be able to crash it. You can then freeze the wave or build a slow push back. Either way you win. When you freeze, If they stay they get a risk of getting ganked. Yiu can also strong arm them and deny them exp. When you slow push Assuming you thinned the wave properly so they dont make a clean crash. Meaning you deny them a good recall timing. If they base, you deny them exp since you crash the wave. If they stay you just kill them since you have an item advantage.
@@taichiixsan4619 that's the thing, if they aren't morons they would never let you freeze it. a small item advantage won't allow you to contest them, they have a big wave so they make sure it will crash. which then makes you stay under tower and last hit while they cheater recall.
If you do it right and crash the wave into their tower before it loses more than 2 minions, they can't slow push back. Their tower prevents them from building a slow push. They can try to stack the next wave but you'll get back to Lane with an extra item before they can build up a wave big enough to stop you from running them down.
You earn Tempo. You recall first, get back to lane with more items, the enemy crash the wave into your tower and then recall. The moment they recall you can rotate with your jg, invade, ward, gank mid, do drag. Everything you can do first means you have Tempo advantage
Since you are in your base most players will have the urge to push lane because the concept of "push the wave when your enemy leaves" is pre installed inside almost every League player. Also the tower will help with the push, so when you come back to the lane the wave will probably be a bit to the enemy's side but only a bit, its basically even. And you have better farm and more items.
i take close combat champion i get hammered by long range. i take long range.. i manage maybe to get one kill, or at least get him to 5%HP with 50%or more of my HP. i farm then same guy comes back with new skill and i cant even damage or get him low.. every damn time.. this is at top lane where 1vs1 most of the time. i know i should pick a tank or something but i count on jungler help now and then... well if not afk i get much better in jungle ofc if have diana and by any chance other team jg dont pick up sylus or warwick.. flustrating as hell if they do.. what anoys me the most is i farm the jungle as and taking kills now and then when helping crazy preparing to rush in.. and just before i do they surrender.. thats about 33% of the games as jg
The only thing I took from this is to duo bot. Cause no person in Iron will ever play the way that helps us win. They either murder minions, play to far back, or abandons lane after I die a single time smh
As the hardstuck Gold player I am, I was shouting „You are a fucking Tristana! Kill those 3 Meeles and then those 2 lvl 1 Cannon Minions named Sona and Samira there!“. 😂
Go win lane in 3 minutes my fellow ADC's :D also let us know what you'd like us to teach next?? 👇
more ADC stuf after level 6 or 9
or some more complex things or something like that
edit : thx for great content
The concluding facts were really important in this guide. In fact, here's a topic name which I'd suggest gets more focus: "If I must accept a punishment, what punish should I accept?"
A lot of guides focus on how to successfully be aggressive in the game, but for those of us who naturally play defensively, such a topic could use some love.
hm, the cheater recall could be a bad strategy if your jungler is pathing towards bot scuttle i think this has to be considered.
@@scottgill2643 is this like "how hard should you lose a losing lane"?
@@douwemusic Not all punishes are game deciding.
Lmao the narrator repeats the lesson 5 times because he knows gold players like me are smoothbrain chimps.
no they repeat the same thing over and over to push the time to 10 minutes for advertisements
@@nikolai13codmapper bro you just got your capitalist realism all up in my feckless sycophantic praise. Right on comrade
@@solidaritytime3650 lmfao
That's me, a gold player * nervous laughter *
@@solidaritytime3650 Its global communism, the money is tied to the debt of the people, aka their miseries.
We we born with debt liened against our names, aka chattel slavery tied to our status a residents under commercial law.
this is actually very important to learn as an adc
Yep. Literally so many free wins are difficult bc Botlane doesnt know this and goes 0/5 in 5minutes. So sad
wave managment is really important but the gold players think this game is just about fighting
@@kpr23 i love ur all criticizing the gold players when i cant get out of iron lmao
Okay, I'm gonna go for cheater recall.
*support non stop attacking minions*
Okay, I'm gonna go for lvl 2 all in
support is a screen away and ability is on CD
Just type in chat "DO NOT TOUCH THE WAVE OR YOUR MOM WILL DIE"
@@nishantjoshi6712 I can't do that because my in game name is BAMBl
DUDE IM DOING A FUCKING CHEAtER RECALL AND MY SUP GOES 1v2 LIKE A STUPID MF,
ITS SO FRUSTRATING TO PLAY WITH LOW FQIOWFQW
Duoq baby 8) play with a guarateed good sup yay
What I, a true Ironclad hears: “Push level 1 as hard as possible and go in at level 2, every time”
Thanks for the skills
Yes but this not the case
don't push as hard as possible. you can't all-in if the second wave doesn't meet around the lane center
Now that was a nice, useful and consistent guide, and not some "here's how you do [stuff]" disguising ”look at how this particular player smurfing managed to do [stuff] in this particular game"
Keep it up, skill capped, this helped me a lot
That’s not a good look bud. The small details matter.
Tried the "cheater recall" , my supp didnt recall, died and flamed me XD
XD
hahahahahaha same here
Yeah. Its so funny that low elo supports love to waste their cooldowns on pushing the wave ALWAYS. Looks like they WANT to get ganked.
@@zhongguogongchand2633 true
I just spam ping to retreat and put in chat to follow me. They usually follow, but put in chat their confused. I tell them to at h cheater recall strategy on TH-cam. Lol.
Skillcapped has done videos about this concept for years... yet still even pro players can't manage first 3 waves
Makes you think a lot
very nice content dude, i'm still learning a lot with all the tips and tricks! Thank you so much Skill Capped!
How do 90% of ADC's lose lane if the other ADC is winning lane? Wouldn't that make it 50/50 all the time?
How 90% of ADC's lose lane when they lose*
Old comment, but 90 percent of people who lose their lane, is due to what happened in the first 3 minutes,
Wait, this is actually rlly fking good lol.
Are we not gonna talk about how the sup is also very pivotal in push advantage or lvl 2 all in? Whether its relic shielding two melees on second wave or an enchanter throwing a few autos to assist the push
Yes well in my games when I want to slow push the mage support throws literally all their abilities on the wave 😅
As Vayne main... Was thinking all the time that the example of not being able to do this strat was gonna be Vayne xdd
Got banned
whats the recommended counterplay when the enemy will inevitably push faster than you (and is smart enough to do it)? e.g you are vayne vs caitlyn.
atm i just keep damaging minions as much as i can and keep track of exactly when they're about to hit lvl 2, and back off only at the very last second, ensuring i make both options in this video as difficult as possible - they cant all in because i backed off to safety just as they're about to hit 2, and they cant slow push because they already attacked enough minions so that the wave will definitely crash before the 3rd wave
best vid this channel has made, so specific to variant outcomes. gg
Bold to assume my support will know what to do
This is an insane video, thx a lot.
I do those things but i found somethings i used to do wrong and that's why i get ganked or freezed by the enemy.
I hope later there's a video like this but about what to do when your behind as adc, the macro when you're out of game is hell to me.
The biggest tip is ignoring your team's dumb pings while you try to grab any farm in any lane to catch up and hope your team doesn't throw which they always do. Good luck!
EDIT: If the score is (close to) even or your team is ahead, you might be better off just grouping and trying to get numbers advantage somewhere on the map
@@douwemusic Thanks a lott!!!
So if my team is almost even to the enemy I should group them and try to catch some kill, be useful in TF I guess
Can you make a MASTER+ ADC guide please?? i really need that
As a new player this is actually very informative and I enjoyed watching it..
If only my support understood this...
exactly lol
most of the supp usually mess up the lane
especially poke supps
most of the time morgana or lux will literally kill all caster minion before I can even hit them
and the wave gets @#@!#$
*Adc sees the video title*
Also adc: int-erestering
this il all theoretically correct but in a real game you have to also evaluate your support's psychology. If you feel that they know what they are doing you can do this, but if for example you are preparing for a lvl 2 all in but you see that your tresh is hanging all the way behind you, you might not wanna push the wave anyway as you won't be able to all in and now the enemies can just freeze it.
Use pings to inform him what ur doing ._.
a guide to teach us how to deal with a useless support would be pretty clutch
they have like 5 on those. Go check them on thei youtube site
Afk
How to win lane in 3 minutes as an adc: get a good support
As a Leona main I have to say the answer is always level 2 all-in. At least if there's a Leona support on your team and they're not that one guy on reddit who insists that you're trolling if you don't start W on Leona
With w nerfs on her I'd argue her e is more useful lvl 1 because you can start the all in before the last minion is killed before you get lvl 2 and follow up with a q/ign.
whenever i see leona in my draft
I just type : all in level 2 : in chat
step 1: nerf aurelion sol
so true
Another great guide. Thank you guys!!
thx helped us a lot ! ♥
What if you don’t get the lane push? Or if you do you’ve been poked down to much and low health
What if i decide to cheater recall and my support Xerath Q's the whole wave?
This is a really good video thanks
This is very nice to know. My wave management is terrible. But does this apply to top and mid?
top is basically the same, mid is different cause the lane is shorter, but i saw that mid pros pull it off sometimes. I think that in mid it's just more difficult, cause you need a bigger wave to cheater recall. The liv advantage thing it's the same in all lanes and for junglers. Btw not all laners can push the first three waves, it depends on the matchup, for example against tristana it should be impossible to apply those two strategies, instead tristana can potentially always apply them, so you just need to make her push the waves to you and farm safely under tower. In competitive it's incredible how sometimes bot duo are really away from the wave in the first three waves,
@@FedeBert Thank you. I'll keep this in mind.
That video was very useful wow thx
I think I was sivir in diamond clip, cause I remember that guardian zil and Pyke e lvl 1 play. But also it might be some similar game
Lol, how different when supports actually have hands instead of playing with the face!
I followed this guide and won lane but then got 1shot repeatedly by the enemy Rengar.
So what happens when it's someone like cait who got long range would the level 2 push still be visible cuz she can sit back and still contest
*Pause when the enemy adc is going back*
Me: Okay, it seems like Trist lv'd up E first so it may be hard to slow push but they seem scared, maybe they realized that they're not gonna get lv 2 first, so chea-"
SK: "Actually all Samira wants to do is fight" *Samira turns and starts clicking on minions and pocking*
*Pause when Sivir turns back*
Me: M-maybe they will fight? Slow pushing can be hard, Sivir and Zilean Q's can thin the wave pretty fast and-
SK: "It's more than obvious that Sivir is done with this sh1t" *Sivir running back to T2*
:c
Just to chime in three weeks late as I've only just watched this video: While I got caught off-guard myself with the Tristana, I feel like the test in this case, as they should've narrated is actually to keep a very close eye on the adc once the second wave arrive. I got every other call right from the Ashe to the Sivir to the Senna. Because after messing up with hte Tristana, I saw the Ashe hitting the wave. Senna setting up her camp in Narnia because she had no support and the Sivir click back. Not sure if this helps or not but I wanted to add my two cents as someone who was in your position.
the pause timings werent really ideal for us to make the call, it should have been a second or two after the pauses shown here. other than that great concept and it truly is one of the most important aspects of botlane.
The thing is a majority of the sp in the low elo dont know about this either. most of the times I notice an oputunity to lvl 2 all in and push those melee fast so we can get lvl 2 and engage but my support just stood their and don't follow up at all resulting in me dying in vain, lol. Not saying that I'm better, it's just hard to play as an adc in solo Q, sadge
hmm gonna give this a go next i play, returning player after a 6 year break i quit on the edge of getting into gold so i'm hoping to climb higher this time.
How about the option of freezing? Do I do it if enemy does a cheater?
I don't understand when the best time to hit a minion is. I practice in bots and when they are near quarter health i hit but it doesnt do much and i lose to the minions. Do you still get cs like that or only supports get that and adc has to hit?
I am a bronze player and felt motivated !
how do i win with a brand jungle without flash, standing 10 mins afk in base in front of nexus towers and then inting all enemies hard so that im the only one with positive kd?
How do they share exp to lvl up at the same time?
*loads game to try this tactic*
*support locks in yuumi*
🙃
What if you go for all in LVL 2 but your support does nothing. You end up dying alone trying to apply the real theory.
you could ping the all in, type your plan in chat before laning starts, or just play with a friend
I dont know why but this always felt like something natural, everyone knows after clearing the 2nd wave meelee minions, you basically can all in
Qq not smart enough here
The problem is both teams do that and don't know what to do next
90% of adc's can't lose in the first three minutes. Unless 90% of the players are playing against 10% of the players. Just saying
The implication would be that 90% of adcs WHO LOSE LANE do it in the first 3 mins
he meant they dont knw how to execute this stuff
Just a jaded jungler, I think 90% of those idiots would find a way to lose down there😜
Jk y'all are right I was being tacky and making a joke! Best of luck to y'all and my you never be beat to level 2💪
What if I am familiar with these concepts, but I am normally paired with a smooth brained monkey for a support in solo que?
“Hey supp, all in at level 2 be ready”
“Stfu muted”
*loses lane
Skillcapped can you do more high elo guides?
me spikes lvl 2 first as ashe starts all in. shen circle jerks in bush back and forth till i get very low and dies to enemy support. shen flash executes enemy adc a small incursion happens in bush. i ping shen lvl 2 ?. shen goes into bush presumably taking a dump
Could you guys make a video about how to track on enemy. Really helpful vid btw
You may be interested in their jungle lineup of videos. What I've learned from them is that the first couple clears are really played out as long as you assume that both are playing as efficiently as possible. If they're taking something inefficient, they are making an assumption that the play they're making has value which is worth the risk.
Power Farming junglers will generally never sacrifice clear time for a gank, but with the recent jungle changes (affecting first scuttles), they have dead time which they need to find a use for, which is exactly why they've fallen out of the meta.
Level 2 cheese junglers will gank immediately after their leashed camp (Twitch and Ezreal) because in order to get value out of their pick, they disobey the law and order of the jungle, so the counter to that is merely letting the relevant side's wave push (always including mid lane). In other words, level 2 cheesers are really strong when both mid lane and a side lane have an aggressive win condition against their team.
All other junglers have a level 3 timing, which can be achieved by either using the quadrant they're already on, or (more commonly) transitioning to the other side to get their level 3. The goal in all of their cases is to get level 3 in time for the scuttle fight, or to find the opposing crab if they realize they're going to be outmatched.
Right now, the level 3 crab fight is the meta specifically because level 3 junglers have the most options available to them, which means that they're the hardest to track. In my own unsubstantiated opinion, probably the best way to track the jungler is through the mid lane, by getting a ward deep enough to spy on the raptor camp. If you can spot the jungler doing raptors, you can get key intel on the intention of the jungler, whether they walk through the bush intending to go to the other side, run to the river to be ready to fight for crab (or gank for that matter), or run the other way towards Krugs. Any other option you might consider would be so wildly inefficient that it wouldn't result in a victory worth having.
tl;dr, They've got some videos on this already, and tracking laners does not appear to be a valuable skill.
@@scottgill2643 Thank you for the guide and how long it took you to type all of this
@@phongngothai6143 Mind you, you should still go find those other videos. I laid out the broad spectrum, but the videos give you something more digestible.
I tried these strategies...
1. My support didn't attack at lev 2. I died.
2. When I slow push for cheater recall... my support didn't recall, was mad I had recalled too early... then he died and flamed me.
3. I tried to slow push... but then my support got mad, flamed me, and pushed the wave, we both died and I got flamed by the Jungler and the Support.
I'm in Bronze. I understand these concepts, but I always seem to get supports that 1) won't help me hard push for level 2 / crash a wave despite lots of help pings, and/or 2) when I'm trying to freeze / slow push, deliberately use their mana and abilities to kill minions. How can I work around my supports not understanding wave management?
If you’re wanting to climb, find a reliable person you can duo with and implement these strategies. It’s so much easier with a friend, and if you guys can call each other and communicate it’s even better.
On a 41/5/4 game with Tristana I actually went with the lv2 all-in and it payed off really well! :D
Quick edit: I was account level 28 for that game and I'm still under lv30 so it was a normal draft, not ranked with an inting Talong and Nami (said Nami RQ'd after 22 minutes)
Ah yes classic hard stuck player smurfing vs people who don't even know what their champs do... Nice flex there it's really impressive
So you had time to go for 41 kills but not ending the game?
And why didnt you share the kills later on when you was full build?
Your teammates needed the gold more than you at this point.
@@damienschrader213 Because I wanted to have fun for once, is it a crime?
@@Siinory Sorry my guy. I forgot it wasn't a ranked. >.< My bad
@@damienschrader213 Ranked or not, I wanna have fun sometimes. And tbf, how to say the teammates weren't that good haha
Plz make video about advanced concept about toplane i saw it midlane and botlane im main top so probably i need it xd. Also about toplane there are guides alot and thx for it but its all basics i wana know about advanced for top
Well, but what if I'm playing ADCs like twitch and vayne, that get outpushed against every matchup?
What are the details on slow pushing the first wave? Sometimes your opponent starts hitting the minions at the same time as you
If they respond your slowpush and you stay passive it will end in a freeze for them. You then have to switch to lv 2 all in/shove
Honest question: Has anyone in the History of the world ever watched these videos on normal speed.
Sonic the hedgehog on crack
So I am playing Samira ADC, and it doesnt matter how hard I try, somehow every time the enemy outtrades us and we loose the fight.
Is that just a Samira thing, that she is too weak lv. 2?
Nice guide. 1 question: how do 90% of adc's lose their lanes in first 3 mins if there is a 50% chance of u winning lane.
Either it's 100% (if ur leaving out the losing enemy) or it's 50% since there's 2 bot lanes. (I know there are lanes going even so it's +- but even if u round it out to 90% (if 10% of lanes go even or hit lvlv 2 same time), don't u just leave out 90% of winning adc's in this statistic?
I think you're misunderstanding. They're saying 90% of adcs that lose lane (so either red or blue side) has already lost it in the first 3 mins. Imagine it like 90% of adcs lose their lane in the first 3 mins, and the other 10% lose it after the 3 min mark.
@@JustinRockin that makes more sense to me ;D thx for that
What if I play jinx and my support is sona, and we play against draven and nautilus for example. Won't draven and nautilus beat us even though we are lvl 2 and they are lvl 1? Does that just mean we need to play carefully?
Any 2 level 2 champs will beat any 2 level 1 champs, simply based on base stats and the ability advantage. As long as you don’t mess up, it’s a guaranteed winning trade.
So what do you do if they know to cheater recall?
Once you know this, you realize that your support also needs to know it...
what if i’m playing a champ like twitch who doesn’t do damage early
What should I do when I try to cheater recall but my support stays in lane?
Should Jinx do this as well?
mid lane in depth roaming guide? :D
Results may vary. I tried this and seeing them backing off the 2nd wave I tried to slow push for a cheater recall. My support brand just hard pushed the wave anyways and called me a dog when I pinged him off the wave. (Plat 2 elo)
What if my sup wont go in with me
tho?
I just wish the in-game tutorial was anywhere near this level. All it says is "kill minion, push tower, run it down mid", and I have no gamesense yet
what about leashing?
im pretty good at winning lane. its fighting against the fed top laner and mid laner that gets me.
Can take this entire guide with a grain of salt.
I've been doing this strategy for a while but as a support, I dont always get 300 (or 350 for long sword) gold by the time we crash the 3rd wave, so even if I recall, I cannot really get an item advantage with cheater recall, is there maybe a better strategy early on?
As support you don't go back. If your adc gets a cheater recall off you should either follow your jg OR look to gank mid. Ofc there's other options, like just getting a ward down around mid/enemy jg, but following an invade or ganking mid offer more returns.
how does 90% of ad carries lose their game in the first 3 minutes work...
we get the lvl 2 i go in.
my supp pings me ? and let me die vs the lvl 1 enemy bot lane.
Im trying to set up a cheater recall, my supp push and fucks up the wave by missing his poke.
im tired of trying this
One time I make this strategy perfect and enemy adc go afk in 3-rd minutes.
Que aula!
Now i need lessons on late game cuz im not doing damage
if you dont/cant clear as fast but play passive to avoid the level 2 all in doesn’t that just enable them to cheater recall …..i meeeean your solution is also a problem you have no answer to ? what do ?
thank yallllllll.
What to buy on cheater recall ?
Gl trying slow push in silver with a mage support
Thank you Ben Shapiro, very cool advice!
The only part I don't really undrestand is cheater recall being an "advantage".
Because it's not like you have teleport, so the enemy just builds up a slowpush on your tower that you can't contest since it's too late and a big wave you can't fight them in. Which then gives them the 'cheater recall' just a bit later.
So I really don't see the dissadvantage there for the enemy
You thin the wave after you come back to lane. You will be back in the lane before they will be able to crash it. You can then freeze the wave or build a slow push back.
Either way you win.
When you freeze,
If they stay they get a risk of getting ganked. Yiu can also strong arm them and deny them exp.
When you slow push
Assuming you thinned the wave properly so they dont make a clean crash. Meaning you deny them a good recall timing.
If they base, you deny them exp since you crash the wave.
If they stay you just kill them since you have an item advantage.
@@taichiixsan4619 that's the thing, if they aren't morons they would never let you freeze it. a small item advantage won't allow you to contest them, they have a big wave so they make sure it will crash. which then makes you stay under tower and last hit while they cheater recall.
If you do it right and crash the wave into their tower before it loses more than 2 minions, they can't slow push back. Their tower prevents them from building a slow push. They can try to stack the next wave but you'll get back to Lane with an extra item before they can build up a wave big enough to stop you from running them down.
You earn Tempo. You recall first, get back to lane with more items, the enemy crash the wave into your tower and then recall. The moment they recall you can rotate with your jg, invade, ward, gank mid, do drag. Everything you can do first means you have Tempo advantage
Since you are in your base most players will have the urge to push lane because the concept of "push the wave when your enemy leaves" is pre installed inside almost every League player. Also the tower will help with the push, so when you come back to the lane the wave will probably be a bit to the enemy's side but only a bit, its basically even. And you have better farm and more items.
Oh thats why always my botlane is 0:10 at 5th minute
When you do a cheater recall with an item advantage but your zilean support stands in the back and misses all bombs and they have a blitz...
what if youre the one whos losing lane and lvl gqpped
i take close combat champion i get hammered by long range. i take long range.. i manage maybe to get one kill, or at least get him to 5%HP with 50%or more of my HP. i farm then same guy comes back with new skill and i cant even damage or get him low.. every damn time.. this is at top lane where 1vs1 most of the time. i know i should pick a tank or something but i count on jungler help now and then... well if not afk
i get much better in jungle ofc if have diana and by any chance other team jg dont pick up sylus or warwick.. flustrating as hell if they do.. what anoys me the most is i farm the jungle as and taking kills now and then when helping crazy preparing to rush in.. and just before i do they surrender.. thats about 33% of the games as jg
neace would be proud of you xD
The only thing I took from this is to duo bot. Cause no person in Iron will ever play the way that helps us win. They either murder minions, play to far back, or abandons lane after I die a single time smh
i failed the whole quiz lmfaooo this why im still bronze
As the hardstuck Gold player I am, I was shouting „You are a fucking Tristana! Kill those 3 Meeles and then those 2 lvl 1 Cannon Minions named Sona and Samira there!“. 😂
I've doing all of these things but just not in ranked 🥲 After getting myself out of Iron I'm sick of ranked.
after getting out of bronze I'm also sick of ranked
after getting out of silver I'm also sick of ranked
@@douwemusic after getting out of gold im now sick of ranked
what to teach next.
you win lane 2/0 get their turrent
next up you go to mid.
6/0 Zed: hello
5/0 camile: welcome to league
you: gg
I would be happy to do this, but everytime im planning stuff like that my dumbass support fucks up everything with his relics wfilwelfocdu
What if they know to cheater recall?