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Carlo Bergonzi - Verdi Luisa Miller 1996 Metropolitan

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 พ.ย. 2007
  • This is probably the last concert where Carlo Bergonzi sang an aria of Verdi on the year 1996, before he did try to sing Otello at Carnegie Hall.

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  • @angelomusicante
    @angelomusicante 16 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    this is really amazing how a 72 years old man can sing so well and much better than many young tenors of today

  • @stecklowthompson4615
    @stecklowthompson4615 7 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I was at this performance. Bergonzi also substituted for Luciano Pavarotti (who was ill) in a trio from I Lombardi -- it was amazing seeing this man, a good 10 or 15 years older than Luciano, step in at the last minute and completely dominate the music. I had never heard him before. You could be disappointed that Luciano was not there (as I was) while at the same time feeling lucky that Luciano was not there so that we could here this man show his artistry and command. I saw him sing one more time, I think it was at Corelli's Lincoln Center memorial. This would have been in 2003 or 2004 if so. His hair was white and some of the flexibility of the voice had gone, but you could hear, behind the curtain of age, the great voice he had been. He got a standing ovation.
    Renata Scotto was at Bergonzi's memorial in New York, and told the audience that Luciano told her that when he wanted to learn a role he would listen to a recording of Bergonzi. She said (half-joking), "Luciano, Luciano, leggi la partita..." ("Luciano, luciano, read the score..."). Joking aside, Luciano and Bergonzi represented a kind of Italian tenor voice that you don't hear now, however great some of the younger singers are.

  • @fofinha445
    @fofinha445 8 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    extraordinário aos 72 anos ...tive o privilégio de ver e ouvir este SENHOR no S.Carlos e no Coliseu de Lisboa

    • @barahona68
      @barahona68 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Era fantástico, não era?

  • @chastenor
    @chastenor 11 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Because he is quite simply one of the very greatest singers you will ever hear

    • @diegomr6969
      @diegomr6969 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      100% de acuerdo,. ES MAS YA NO VEREMOS TENORES SIQUIERA... imaginate que estos eran TENORES DE OTRA GALAXIA.

  • @OscarGraumusico
    @OscarGraumusico 10 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Extraordinario tenor, de altísima calidad y personalidad magnífica. Un genio de la opera. Bravooooo

  • @classicii4xh
    @classicii4xh 14 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Even at 72 Bergonzi's incredible artistry is completely intact. I love the way that Maestro Levine looks up at him at the conclusion of the aria - with such respect and admiration! A remarkable performance indeed. Thank you so much for posting!

  • @maurarosati4649
    @maurarosati4649 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    più di 70 anni,sfido chiunque a cantare quest'aria,come Te,grande Carlo.RIP

  • @barbfrmsf
    @barbfrmsf 10 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    May he rest in peace thanks for sharing your talent with us.

  • @ParrotCordeiro
    @ParrotCordeiro 10 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Happy 90th birthday Carlo! Thank you for everything you have contributed to the world of music. You proved that equidistant phrasing and liquid gold tone can be coupled with dramatic power in a way that seems effortless and pure.
    Greatest Verdian tenor of all time in my opinion. He voice was one of a kind.

    • @Saavedra99
      @Saavedra99 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I hope you actually don't know the meaning of 'equidistant', because 'equidistant phrasing' is the worst style ever to sing romantic and post-romantic opera (Verdi).
      Greatest Verdian tenor? (I'll pass over the hyperbole 'of all time' because it's too ridiculous) Not really. He had everything apart from squillo, clarity of diction, and spirit, and all three were very important to Verdi himself. Virtually every time when Verdi wrote about singers he mentioned these issues. The overall timbral ideal during much of the 19th century was substantially brighter than Bergonzi's. And Verdi had little use for academic compliance ALONE to his score, he was more interested in the adherence to the spirit than to the letter of the law. This is what he writes about the spirit in which he wished his operas to be performed: "So called finesse means little to me. I like to have roles sung the way I like them, but I can't provide the voice, the temperament, the 'je ne sais quoi' that one might call the spark. It's what is usually understood by the phrase 'to be possessed by the devil' [...] He should sing guided only by his own feelings. The artist will be [...] himself, or better still, he will be the character he has to represent in the opera." There's very little spark or drama in Bergonzi's singing, and virtually no 'possession by the devil'; there's much adherence to the letter of the law.

  • @albertkim3075
    @albertkim3075 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    A great opera singer in 20th century I can never forget until I die.

  • @bigjoetube
    @bigjoetube 15 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Carlo the great

  • @YortOK
    @YortOK 10 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The last of the great Italian tenors has left the stage, RIP Maestro Bergonzi.

  • @donallally4892
    @donallally4892 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How amazing to be able to sing like that at 72, fabulous

  • @michelecestone7842
    @michelecestone7842 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He received more applause that evening than all the other artists who sang. Se Ricardo bene , 5 chiamate. An artist who could bond with the public like no other.

  • @williamreynolds6332
    @williamreynolds6332 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    One characteristic the great singers have in common is that the middle of their voice remains rock-solid, regardless of age. Bergonzi sounds like his old self throughout this range, which is a tribute to his technique and the care he's taken with his voice.

    • @Saavedra99
      @Saavedra99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sorry but this is not true. Nothing remains 'rock-solid' in their old age. What remains PASSABLE solid is the part of voice corresponding to singer's natural tessitura. Bergonzi started out as a baritone. He didn't have a good top even in his young years, he sounds constricted above the passagio in most of his recordings, be they studio or live. No surprise that what remained passable solid in his old age is the middle.

  • @akigonzalezherrera5755
    @akigonzalezherrera5755 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    En este video Carlo tenia 72años de edad y se puede deleitar uno con su maravillosa voz que ya un poco mermada por el tiempo pero que ya muchos cantantes quisieran llegar a esa edad con esa claridad y potencia en las cuerdas vocales.....Carlo Bergonzi uno de los más grandes tenores de todos los tiempos

  • @donallally4892
    @donallally4892 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh fantastic, simply fantastic

  • @vitocannillotenor8372
    @vitocannillotenor8372 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Il mio preferito, in ogni età, ruolo, stile.

  • @paolo1960
    @paolo1960 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Grande Artista da applaudire sempre per tutto quello che ha dato e insegnato del Bel Canto.
    Grazie di cuore per questo è tutti gli altri documenti meravigliosi che ha pubblicato, un regalo enorme per chi, come me, solo ora li può scoprire.
    Paolo (GE)

  • @donallally4892
    @donallally4892 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A true star and bright light of the opera world, and theirs not many of them now, and certainly not at that high level

  • @adriancadena1359
    @adriancadena1359 10 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Eso es un tenor, carajo!!!

  • @pedroaranguren6160
    @pedroaranguren6160 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bravooo, maestro Carlo!!!
    El gran tenor verdiano.....con depurada técnica, canto dulce y varonil...sin necesidad de GRITAR LAS ARIAS, como lo hacen muchos tenores más famosos.... Verdi les decía a los cantantes: "canten, no griten"...
    Tantas voces potentes han sido sobrevaloradas y ovacionadas por encima de mejores voces y técnica por el impacto que producen y el marketing que tienen. Es el triunfo de la cantidad por sobre la calidad...muy triste para la ópera.
    Ya a los 72, con su voz algo gastada, daba placer oír al maestro Carlo Bergonzi..
    Grazie, Carlo!

  • @EndoftheTownProductions
    @EndoftheTownProductions 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I saw Bergonzi in Otello at Carnegie Hall and let's just say, it wasn't the best night of his great career. Just glad that I was able to see him.

  • @johnrudolph1767
    @johnrudolph1767 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Bergonzi was without equal in the singing of this aria!

    • @arepo
      @arepo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Absolutely agree if you mean it as superlative with negative connotation.

  • @barrybernstein4459
    @barrybernstein4459 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just listen to Aida of 1963 with Price, Bergonzi ,Gorr, Sereni. Perhaps the finest live performance you are ever likely to hear.
    With the Nile scene just out of this world. Price and Bergonzi
    hit the heights ,only to be bettered by their final duet as they are
    entombed. Some of the Met audience must of remembered
    seeing perhaps the finest Verdi tenor of the 20th century in
    his prime in the late 50's 60's and early seventies. Even later he
    still had the same wonderful legato . Even as others have said
    he gradually flattened out.

  • @dirkadriaan6019
    @dirkadriaan6019 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Bergonzi loves Verdi's operas.....he was a great Alfredo Germond....he gave it a romantic interpretation.

    • @arepo
      @arepo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But Verdi's music doesn't love him, and it takes two for a relationship to work, only one to ruin it.

  • @dmheathcote
    @dmheathcote 9 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Ah, my heart swelled when watching this. Bravo, Bergonzi.

  • @sparafucile2
    @sparafucile2 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A los 72 años. Una proeza !!

  • @donallally5504
    @donallally5504 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was the best singing he ever did and some of the best singing ever at the met by him or anyone else, and this at the ripe old age of 76

  • @peterpaszto3279
    @peterpaszto3279 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Maestro Bergonzi "Il suono dei suoni", non plus ultra..semplicemente fantastico!!

  • @MenteAmoryVida
    @MenteAmoryVida 10 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Bergonzi¡ El mas grande Tenor Verdiano de todos los tiempos. BRAVO BERGONZI

  • @apro1rsleducational
    @apro1rsleducational 16 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you.

  • @MrOlogramma
    @MrOlogramma 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Non sarai mai dimenticato ❤

  • @vanzofaust
    @vanzofaust 16 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    what a great artist! thanks for posting this.

  • @user-mj3pz1to8w
    @user-mj3pz1to8w 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Unreal when you think that he was 72 at the time! Great technique! Bravissimo!

  • @BearClawChrisLapp
    @BearClawChrisLapp 10 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    When asked about his favorite singers, Jussi Bjorling said there was a new young tenor (Carlo Bergonzi) who was "excellent". At the end of his career Luciano Pavarotti called Franco Corelli and Carlo Bergonzi the "most professional" singers of his day. Marilyn Horne asked Bergonzi how he was able to sing at such a high level for so long; he said that he vocalized every day. It was my privilege to hear Maestro Bergonzi, many times, at the Met; fond memories of the warmth of his voice.

    • @Saavedra99
      @Saavedra99 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      In other words, you like Bergonzi and did a little cherry picking in selecting statements supporting your preference. There's no arguing against personal preference, and anyone is entitled to his/hers, but why did you feel the need for an 'appeal to authority' to support your preference? Did you feel the need to give 'weight' to your preference? Even after all the trouble you took with all that quoting (w/o citing sources), it still remains nothing more than personal taste... Why should people care about what Björling liked or did not like in private life, or what Corelli considered to be 'professional' or not? (for all we know he might have meant Bergonzi showed up at rehearsals)

    • @richardbowery7423
      @richardbowery7423 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Saavedra99 Did you just get out of the wrong side of bed! Or was this aggression innate from birth?

    • @Saavedra99
      @Saavedra99 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@richardbowery7423 You an enraged fan? 🤣 Only they get pissed when people with guts expose this lamentable quoting "business" for the poor trading that it is.

    • @richardbowery7423
      @richardbowery7423 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Saavedra99 Absolutely not an enraged fan! Not pissed off! I sort of
      agree with the 'no need' for others statements, but the reason I said what
      I said was, his 'bottom' line was he REALLY liked Bergonzi, why couldn't
      you let this just 'basically' be a post from a Bergonzi fan? By saying what
      you said, you took the attention away from his last line, My privilege to
      see, ( a fans fond memories of a favourite! ) and concentrated on an
      aspect of his post that obviously annoyed you personally. I'm sure most
      people's impression of his post would be quite simply, he's a great fan.
      I posted because, while everyone is of course entitled to an opinion, on
      anything, and yours is of course valid, you sound, to him, and now me,
      Angry, rather than conversational. By using the words: pissed, guts, lamentable, business, poor trading! you've elevated your opinion to the point that it completely drowns the persons 'fan' post.
      I'm never 'enraged'. Once again you use a word that elevates, almost to the point of a rant ! my post. Which I think most people would read as, 'why are you so angry'? At the most I'm perplexed/surprised.
      That's surely more reasonable?

    • @Saavedra99
      @Saavedra99 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@richardbowery7423 Sorry, I must have missed your reply. Yes, it is more reasonable.
      I thought I made it clear in my first comment what I found so distasteful in Chris' comment. I wrote there's no arguing against personal preference, and I stand to that. He is very welcome to his preference. What I find distasteful is when fans try with all their might to convey the impression theirs is more than just PERSONAL PREFERENCE, that theirs is OBJECTIVE FACT. They know that no one really cares about personal preferences on TH-cam, not about his, yours, or mine, and can't come to terms with this.
      Not trying to yell with caps, just to emphasize words. If I knew how to emphasize without caps, I'd do it.

  • @photo161
    @photo161 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This a great singer who always gave his all.

    • @arepo
      @arepo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But here he doesn't have much to give?

  • @jancedricmicheler6122
    @jancedricmicheler6122 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Braaavoo maestro 👏 👏

  • @andrewwalker3312
    @andrewwalker3312 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    taking into account the great mans age this is remarkable. Bravo Carlo!

  • @frederickthompson2697
    @frederickthompson2697 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What's sad (to me, at least) is that the appreciation of the audience at the actual performance has been truncated wherein Señor Bergonzi was called back a number of times for their accolades for which he expressed SUCH humility... F.

  • @iubanne
    @iubanne 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Immenso. ❤

  • @millonety123
    @millonety123 13 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Bergonzi es uno de mis favoritos tenores de siempre. Su Pinkerton me emociona, su Boheme tambien. En realidad es su gran tecnica y timbre los que lo destacan como diferente y unico de tanto tenor sin personalidad. Bravo Bergonzi¡

  • @francescodifonzo406
    @francescodifonzo406 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    certo che penso nussuno abbia mai avuto 50 anni di carriero alle spalle cone BERGONZI e che canta ancora bene...........W l'Italia ......W il Cav. BERGONZI

  • @donallally4892
    @donallally4892 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is exactly as singing Opera should be, absolutely amazing and powerful, and from a man who at the time was 72, fantastic

  • @christianlibrul
    @christianlibrul 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bravissimi, Commendatore Bergonzi. What a great artist.

  • @jsphotos
    @jsphotos 16 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Phenomenal! Bravo!

  • @Andreylarin1
    @Andreylarin1 10 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    even at 70 he is better than 90% modern tenors, everything voice, technique, expression

  • @jesusmunoz2400
    @jesusmunoz2400 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Grande Bergonzi. Un tenor cantado de tenor con 70 años no de barítono como otros.

    • @Saavedra99
      @Saavedra99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He started as a baritone. He was his whole life a baritenor, not a tenor.

    • @jesusmunoz2400
      @jesusmunoz2400 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Saavedra99 Placido Domingo no es Baritenor, no tiene color de Baritono. Para alargar su carrera está cantado desde hace ya muchos años papeles de Baritono pq perdió lo pocos agudos que tenía. Sus actuaciones como Baritono son lamentables.

    • @Saavedra99
      @Saavedra99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jesusmunoz2400 You confuse baritenor with baritone, and you believe the baritenor voice is ALL about color. You are wrong, it is as much about range and comfortable tessitura as it is about color. Someone who is barely able to break through the passagio, with 3 constricted semitones above, is not a true tenor, a true tenor has a SOLID half octave above the passagio.
      I don't know why you have brought Domingo into the conversation, I didn't say anything about him, and I am not interested in discussing him. I said Bergonzi was a baritenor and he had STARTED as a baritone. You may not like it but this doesn't make it less true. Everybody knows that Bergonzi has started as a baritone, and everyone who has ears can tell how short his top was and how constricted he sounds above the passagio after a couple of years into his career as a baritenor.

    • @jesusmunoz2400
      @jesusmunoz2400 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Saavedra99 www.beckmesser.com/gato-por-liebre/

    • @jesusmunoz2400
      @jesusmunoz2400 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Saavedra99 Con esto queda todo aclarado. Es un tenor corto que canta de barítono pq la gente ignorante se lo permite por su marketing.

  • @tenorandrewowens
    @tenorandrewowens ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the thing that makes me sad is that a knowledgeable, respectful opera public like this.. one that recognizes greatness and applauds it accordingly, is dying..

  • @yusukeundisolde
    @yusukeundisolde 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    bravo

  • @felipevagli7830
    @felipevagli7830 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    GRANDISSIMO!!!

  • @Hnk448
    @Hnk448 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Der Meister 👏🙏

  • @machovoce6826
    @machovoce6826 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please note: Maestro Bergonzi was called back twice more by the audience.

  • @juanitoalimana3131
    @juanitoalimana3131 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Qué verdiano era! Aunque mayor, y en aquella época tan de malos tenores haciendo carrera millonaria, no cae en técnicas zarrapastrosas domingueras, carrereras o kauffmanianas. La técnica está aprendida, y con una voz evidentemente deslustrada, da lo mejor de sí y consigue una interpretación envidiable de esta dificilísima aria. Técnica, siempre.

    • @gabrielgabriel8096
      @gabrielgabriel8096 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ya quisiera Bergonzi haber sido Carreras alguna vez en su vida... Sobre los otros que menciona, concuerdo con usted en lo de Domingo. Pero meter en el mismo saco a alguien pésimo como Domingo y a un gran tenor como fue Carreras, es injusto. También Kauffmann es mucho mejor que Domingo fue nunca.

  • @24RulezJG
    @24RulezJG 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    R I.P Carlo Bergonzi.

  • @arepo
    @arepo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Quando non ci si sa ritirate con dignità...

  • @jordipanadesribera6890
    @jordipanadesribera6890 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Istoria, opera, teatro, arte.

  • @diegomr6969
    @diegomr6969 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    por dios un dios total. ADDIO MAESTRO en paz descances

  • @ransomcoates546
    @ransomcoates546 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Curious how the Italians here are so vicious about him. Yes, we know he flatted a lot during the second half of his career, but the style, the taste, the great artistic sensitivity -- one is tempted to think that the Italians are vicious because they have lost everything in their great tradition of singing.

    • @reinerlimberg4838
      @reinerlimberg4838 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sorry, es ist nicht nur begeisternd mit zu erleben, wie doch auch die Muskulatur der menschlichen Stimme ihre begrenzte Zeit hat. Und doch müssen einst begnadete Sänger dem eines Tages Tribut zollen. Ich erinnere mich an die 1960er Jahre, wo ich als Gesangs
      Schüler dieser wunderbaren TENOR
      STIMME lauschte ...SORRY wenn man alleine davon leben muss, so wie " die drei Tenöre " die wohl zu spät besseren Nachfolgerin hätten Platz einräumen können..., bevor diese auch ihre beste Zeit hinter sich lassen müssen...,einfach ALLES ist SORRY...

  • @olaig100
    @olaig100  16 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bergonzi is "Ran Croce" of the Italian Republic and this is the the medal of honour

  • @focusfilm1059
    @focusfilm1059 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Это в 70 лет? Браво!

  • @NoNameItalianFlavour
    @NoNameItalianFlavour 10 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Potrà non piacere.Potrà essere come volete,sarà quello che volete.....Siete arrivati dove è arrivato lui? Probabilmente sara mancato di molte cose ma di emozioni avrà saputo darne molte...Nemmeno a me piace...Ma nn mi permetterei mai di essere cosi offensivo e di giudicare con malalingua......Sono anche io un Tenore ...ma con tanta dignità e rispetto per l'ultimo pilastro della storia del vanto.

    • @guidogreco341
      @guidogreco341 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Tita drammatico Grandissimo interprete VERDIANO.

    • @Ilvermibaleno
      @Ilvermibaleno 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Pur sbagliando a scrivere hai espresso perfettamente il cantante Bergonzi: pilastro della storia del Vanto. Solo ego e narcisismo, del buon cantante non ha quasi nulla. E la domanda "siete arrivati dove è arrivato lui" è assurda....ci sono cantanti straordinari che non hanno avuto e non hanno tutt'ora il suo successo....il telento e la fama sono due cose separate.

  • @donallally4892
    @donallally4892 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a performance, wow

  • @LordMgls
    @LordMgls 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    There were many outstanding performers at the 25 years Levine gala... but Bergonzi's performance is the one that became legend.

  • @dougirving328
    @dougirving328 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree Andrew!

  • @vaddoc
    @vaddoc 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Respect

  • @EndoftheTownProductions
    @EndoftheTownProductions 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    5:36 - 6:01 - Impressive for his age. What a great tenor!

  • @quandolamusicaeramagia6471
    @quandolamusicaeramagia6471 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Leggo molti commenti drastici, indubbiamente c'è del vero in alcune critiche ma occorre riconoscere al Bergonzi anziano un'ottima tenuta di fiati e interpretazione attenta della parola.Lo squillo si sa non l'ha mai avuto quindi inutile criticare la voce un poco 'corta',casomai ammettiamo difetti di intonazione qui abbastanza evidenti.

    • @alessandrocodeluppi4916
      @alessandrocodeluppi4916 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lo squillo da giovane lo aveva, ascolti ad esempio la Giovanna d'Arco con la Tebaldi!

  • @iduefoscari
    @iduefoscari 14 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fabrio-Your not "max" indisguise?"Carlo the shit", thats nice!What did you work in I Due Foscari in Busetto and get the sack? Carlo Bergonzi was perhaps the finest Verdi tenor of the 20th century on disc and also earlier in his career as fine a Puccini tenor as one would wish to hear.His live" Che Gelida Manina" which is on You Tube is absolutely masterful and his Pinkerton with Renata Scotto as Butterfly is still the benchmark for which every other performance is judged.

  • @FranciscoFerrerGaliana1930
    @FranciscoFerrerGaliana1930 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    MAGNIFICA VOZ

  • @operabilia
    @operabilia 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    NO THIS IS THE 1983 CENTENNIAL GALA!!! I WAS THERE!!!

  • @johnblasiak607
    @johnblasiak607 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    This recording I talk about only

  • @bigjoetube
    @bigjoetube 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @iriisblue Pavarotti was not supposed to sing this that night. Carlo filled in for Pav in the I Lombardis segment. Carlo was supposed to sing this one.

  • @Aegisth
    @Aegisth 9 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great voice at that age. Look at Domingo. He turned into a baritone, when his voice declined. Bergonzi sounds still like a young man. I've heard worse...

    • @mr.m.8727
      @mr.m.8727 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Agree 100%.
      Bergonzi had technique and retired with dignity instead of going on rambling like the second you quote.
      Plus Bergonzi was on the line with Tucker and Corelli (the greatest).
      Domingo is not even worthy of cleaning Bergonzi's cupboard.
      Furthermore Domingo did not cover his voice, not even under torture.

    • @stardust8359
      @stardust8359 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I love domingo....

    • @Nangis123
      @Nangis123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Mr. M. This is not correct .CB did not retire with dignity ,he went on with constriction and wobble for many years , and the worst of all was when he embarrassed himself trying to sing Otello at 75. Wt...? Try to sing a role he never had the voice for , written by a composer he never had the voice and temperament for , at 75?
      PD did not turn into a baritone . He was a tenor with a barely sufficient top in his prime,then with a short top,then no top . The lack of top does not turn one into a baritone, there's more to a baritone than the range

  • @joansebastiacolomer3163
    @joansebastiacolomer3163 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Llegint els comentaris dels italians entenc per què ja no hi ha cantants italians

  • @fabriou
    @fabriou 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Cesconegre non e' un clichè,bensi' e' la verita'.E sempre stato cosi in tutte le arti,non solo in musica.Ci sono i bravi addetti ai lavori e i geni.Io ascoltoquasi tutto cio che e' stato prodotto in studio e dal vivo fino agli anni 60 e debbo dire che bergonzi non manda mai in estasi e poi fa sempre il furbo,smussando qui e la e calando qui' e la.A questa stregua si potrebbe affermare che egli non fosse perfetto neanche tecnicamente... ma glio voglio lasciare la tecnica, almeno quella poverino

  • @fabriou
    @fabriou 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @bigjoetube carlo the shit

  • @EndoftheTownProductions
    @EndoftheTownProductions 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Aristocratic!

  • @johnblasiak607
    @johnblasiak607 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Proves that vocal chords and sex apparatus still work well into older age use it or lose it lol

  • @fabriziogarzi9892
    @fabriziogarzi9892 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Non stava messo meglio di Di Stefano, il quale s'è sempre preso i rimproveri da tutti per la tecnica e cavolate del genere. Qua' Bergonzi cala tutto tutto ed e' impresentabile. Pippo e' sempre stato alla propria altezza.

  • @fabriou
    @fabriou 14 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    @Cesconegre bergonzi e' sempre stato calante....ma su....la smetta...egli non era calante solo all'inizio quando cantava da baritono..che e' quello che doveva restare

    • @joansebastiacolomer3163
      @joansebastiacolomer3163 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      E tu dovevi restare muto

    • @Saavedra99
      @Saavedra99 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joansebastiacolomer3163 Why? Because he speaks the truth? You can hear it.

    • @joansebastiacolomer3163
      @joansebastiacolomer3163 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Saavedra99 i can hear this recording. The rest of what he says it's not the truth, it's stupidity

    • @Saavedra99
      @Saavedra99 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joansebastiacolomer3163 I have no idea with which part of his comment you agree and with which part you don't ("the rest"), but this is between you and him, not my business. You should address your reply to him.

  • @lukedurham8212
    @lukedurham8212 ปีที่แล้ว

    No greater Verdian tenor

  • @Tkimba2
    @Tkimba2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mai piaciuto.
    Figuriamoci in questo stato...

  • @colino72
    @colino72 16 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Still a great tone, except for on the highest notes, where he gets a bit bellowy and thin. Great artistry and technique, though.

  • @apro1rsleducational
    @apro1rsleducational 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can a well informed person explain the medal that Bergonzi is wearing? Thanks in advance.

  • @fabriou
    @fabriou 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @Cesconegre la critica non ha mai detto che era un cntante calante ?
    se la sua risposta e' negativa allora direi che la nostra discussione puo terminare qui perche' priva di qualunque possibilita' di sua redenzione...e se mi parla di Don Carlos e osa "consigliarmi "di ascoltarlo meglio allora le dico che basta un Vincenzo Labo' qualunque a superare Bergonzi

    • @bl59957
      @bl59957 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Flaviano...non Vincenzo(per la precisione).

  • @neilkelly4990
    @neilkelly4990 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    No wonder Pavarotti cancelled.

  • @allanrizzetti1449
    @allanrizzetti1449 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Tutte le volte che ho ascoltato Bergonzi l'ho trovato grossolano. Pieni di difetti mai corretti (come la esscie e quel "MM" prima di attaccare certe note) e calante. Eppure è definito da tutti "il tenore verdiano". Di tenorile a mio avviso ha ben poco, soprattuto quello che manca per essere un vero tenore vediano: Squillo.. Anche qui per esempio si sente chiaramente "Mquando le sere al placido".

    • @maurarosati4649
      @maurarosati4649 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ecco un altro "sabelotodo"

    • @guidosnichelotto7375
      @guidosnichelotto7375 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Grossolano????emissione fraseggio accento fiato legato...in Verdi almeno come lui nessuno

  • @henryv69
    @henryv69 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Quanto è stonato!

  • @Davey74Boy
    @Davey74Boy 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    so what of it? tenors half age couldn't sing as well.

  • @fabriou
    @fabriou 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @angelomusicante yes...in fact he sounds like a 102 year old

  • @giampierone010
    @giampierone010 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    E' innegabile una tecnica di prim'ordine...tuttavia sembra non corretta la tonalità dell'Aria eseguita!!! Considerando l'età non è male ma tende a calare negli acuti,vizio mai perso!!! saluti

    • @bl59957
      @bl59957 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      L'aria è eseguita in tono(solo per la precisione)

    • @Ilvermibaleno
      @Ilvermibaleno 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bl59957 Si l'aria è in tono. Ma tecnica di prim'ordine proprio no.Bergonzi cantava perché cantava...non aveva idea di quel che stesse facendo. Tanto tanto ego, ma tanto; basta sentire qualsiasi intervista per capirlo. Quando ha perso gli acuti(molto presto)invece di rimboccarsi le maniche e capire cosa c'era da cambiare, è andato dritto come un treno facendo aiutare da pubblicità, claque, amicizie ecc...Io non ne posso più di questi miti con ego smisurati che fanno presa sul popolino senza nerbo. Stesso discorso per del monaco...oh non c'è una registrazione dal vivo dove non sia esente da pesanti problemi o di intonazione o di suonacci urlati tipo mercato ittico. Io ascolto Siepi, Pertile, Schipa, Neri, Bastianini, Bruscantini, Callas, Carteri, moffo, ruffo, tagliabue, masini, merli, tozzi, tagliavini, Corelli e molti altri che erano cantanti con la C maiuscola non fenomeni da baraccone aiutati dal marketing.

    • @bl59957
      @bl59957 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Ilvermibaleno Ho solo scritto che l'aria è in tono.Per quanto riguarda Del Monaco...beh!Non sono d'accordo,ma va bene lo stesso.

    • @Ilvermibaleno
      @Ilvermibaleno 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bl59957 no no ma la risposta era per giampierone010 non per lei:-) so bene che su del monaco discordiamo ma che invece su molte altre cose concordiamo. Saluti

    • @Nangis123
      @Nangis123 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@eugeniogentili1048 You have counted them? I very much doubt you have listened to 40-50 renditions of Quando le sere ,never mind compared them with each other . Oh wait ,I forgot your "speciality" are weird comparisons in which your fav is always in his vocal prime and the "other" 30 years older...

  • @alessandrozenu3457
    @alessandrozenu3457 11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Pessimo , ma non peggio di quarant anni prima . I difetti sono sempre gli stessi!

    • @maurarosati4649
      @maurarosati4649 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ha parlato"Zarathustra".........................................................

    • @liedersanger1
      @liedersanger1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bullshxx

  • @josepacifico-mc9pr
    @josepacifico-mc9pr 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    UN GRANDE...

  • @fabriou
    @fabriou 14 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    @Cesconegre io cerco sempre di staccarmi da me stesso. ci sono tenori che non mi piacciono ma ammetto essere bravi come pavarotti, domingo etc...bergonzi mi spiace dirlo ma e' pura scolasticita' del canto...non c'e' arte...ecco perche' piace agli artisti mancati (ovvero gli insegnanti di canto e ai cosiddetti autoproclamati critici)

    • @joansebastiacolomer3163
      @joansebastiacolomer3163 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Non c'è arte? Cos'è arte? Sangue e fegato, come dicono nel mio paese?

    • @guidosnichelotto7375
      @guidosnichelotto7375 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@eugeniogentili1048 nonmi faccia ridere è stato il miglior tenore verdiano del dopoguerra... penso che lei non l'abbia mai .sentito in teatro io si parecchie volte e ogni volta ovazioni a scena aperta... tutti incompetenti?

  • @marcusromedahl5899
    @marcusromedahl5899 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    He is flat almost all the time. Like Gedda and Domingo, he had a to large ego to stop singing when on top!

    • @barrybernstein4459
      @barrybernstein4459 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      One thing Carlo Bergonzi did not have was a large ego. Yes he was flat quite a bit. But he filled in for Pavarotti.
      Carlo Bergozi was one of the finest Verdi tenors of the 20th Century . On disc maybe the greatest and that includes Caruso. This was a concert to mark James Levines 25th Anniversary concert at the Met. And you can see from Levine's reaction at the end what he thought of this 72 year old.
      A certain Leonard Bernstein thought that dear Carlo was perfect for his musical education programme for La Boheme in the late 1950's. Marcus Romedahl before you start talking about big ego's I suggest you know
      from personel experience you know what you are talking about. For 25 years Carlo Bergonzi was as fine a lyrico spinto tenor as you were ever likely to hear.

    • @user-py1jg6bb2r
      @user-py1jg6bb2r 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@barrybernstein4459 love your writing, I am not musician, but trust my ear and instincts... his voice to me is way better than 3 T, such unique artistry, deserves much more. Though he was so recognized by Levine and Met audience at that glorious time. Jonas Kauffman is singing better and stronger, but I still cannot find anyone closer to this true master!!!

    • @Saavedra99
      @Saavedra99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@barrybernstein4459 La Boheme is Puccini and Puccini isn't Verdi. Also, 1950's isn't 1990's. He did not fill in for Pav in this aria, just in the Lombardi trio. What Bernstein thought about Bergonzi's La Boheme in 1950's is completely unrelated to Bergonzi's Quando le sere in 1990's, and generally to Bergonzi's Verdi in any period. And I really don't know why should we care what Bernstein or any other public persona thought, this is just an 'appeal to authority' to support your preference. Let people decide for themselves, they have ears.

    • @Nangis123
      @Nangis123 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes he had a large ego .He was 75 when he decided he would sing Otello ,a role he had never attempted before,by a composer he had no voice and no temperament for . Embarrassed himself to no end on that occasion. Even not counting the Otello ,he was constricted for almost 30 years and had a wobble for almost 20 years ,and next to no squillo.Only somebody with a big ego would carry on for decades with such vocal deficiencies and call himself a Verdi tenor into the bargain

    • @xxirapax8830
      @xxirapax8830 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Non nomini gedda

  • @eghissoni
    @eghissoni 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Preferisco ricordalo negli anni 60-80...stonatissimo in questa performance

  • @fabriou
    @fabriou 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @Cesconegre Lei confonde due cose antitetiche...Arte e' in mano al genio...e il genio e' sempre sregolato e muore spesso della sua arte (vedi Callas e Di Stefano)...mentre un Buon scolaro puo' essere il primo della classe ma mai un genio...e cosi' e' bergonzi...un onesto scolaro...manierato e pedante...niente piu'

    • @guidosnichelotto7375
      @guidosnichelotto7375 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      sulla Callas concordo ma lasci stare Di Stefano ha cantanto bene fino a metà degli anni 50 poi è crollato per varie ragioni... Bergonzi il miglior tenore verdiano del dopoguerr a 72 anni cantava ancora cosi

    • @eugeniogentili1048
      @eugeniogentili1048 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Di Stefano cantava benissimo anche negli anni 60, non raccontiamo sciocchezze.

  • @37valerio
    @37valerio 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Parecchio stonato.

  • @johnblasiak607
    @johnblasiak607 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If this was artistic the man had no idea what art was
    Just ego