What is the Best Tank in MoP - Comparison
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.พ. 2025
- This one is a long one so I've added some skippy links. After finishing up all the tanking updates and considering we are mid expansion, it was time to look at tanking overall and compare the classes.
Who knew we would be returning to this video years later! MoP hype summer 2025!
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These are interesting to look back at so many years later.
yeah crazy because these are bad takes from a modern pov
i could listen to you talk about tanking for hours
hunter pet....that is the best tank
I love my bm hunter but my buddy warlock can solo Cinderfall with his void walker.
Preach, long time listener and this is why. Love the run downs and exhaustive comparison so that i dont have to research it myself. I like where your heads at and i always enjoy the posts. Thanks
Having all tanks lvled imo for raiding enjoyment DK>Warrior>Monk>Druid>Pally
Bit partial to wars as I tanked in bc on one, hated dk tanking in wotlk loved pally tanking in wrath, skipped cata, was a lock in vanilla and first half of bc, druids are still boring as hell, and monks while definitely better in a solo situation than wars are simply more repetitive and restrictive as a mt, trash damage is nice.
For ease of play:
Druid>Monk>DK/Pally>Warrior>Shaman (don't ask)
mm yep, gl hf
My favorite tanking was Cataclysm feral druid tanking. I loved pulverize.
Funny, that's the added spell that made me quit tanking as feral :p
I miss this era of wow and preach
Couldn't agree more!
@@lukesorensen5804 2 years late but so true, still
Classic cata is conveying to MoP in April good time to start grinding
Preach was the guy back in the day.
I would really like to see a video where you'd go over what you'd like to see changed for Paladin's to make them more interesting. I've recently capped a Paladin and am tanking here and there so I'm pretty interested in any discussion on them atm.
I was thinking something with bubbles, which I got from playing a Paladin deck on Hearthstone. Though other tanks have bubbles as well...
I remember when a ring with 28 stamina and 14 agility was one of the best in the game for tanks.
Love this video and the analysis of the tank classes. Would love to see something like this for the healers, melee dps, and ranged dps.
I play guardian Druid and I don't find them boring , it's the way you play them that makes you think they are boring and the self heals are useful if you get a bit too far away from the healers and need a heal.
or maybe he just thinks druid tanking is boring because of personal preference?
@@jifyum07 Yep
i could listen to your videos THE WHOLE DAY while i play World of warcraft
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Thank you
Really good video explaining the most about tanking. I have never tried to tank before so I will now level up my alt pala and try it out. Seems like fun!
Thanks for making this video and encouraging people to try out other parts of the game! Dpsing can be boring hah
I always thought the best main tank and off tank was a pally with a DK which almost makes them perfect since the whole Wrath thing between Argent Crusade and Knights of the Ebon Blade with their brofists everywhere. They're this two sides of the same coin thing, light and dark.... theyre just amazing together
Id be very surprised not to see something meant to be tanked by locks in the final raid tier, e.g. Leotheras, illidan etc. The possibility was brought back for a reason. Another possibility is that 10 mans may not have a lock and the encounter idea scrapped without removing the lock tanking skill.
I think there needs to be more variety in tanking. The stats should go with how you want to tank. Why can't I tank with two one handers and use parry more. Maybe I want to use a spec with a shield. Maybe I want to play a spec with dodge. Thats the issue is people say this is how its done and its the only way where is the fun in that...frost tanking was the best!
I swear I've watched this video about 10 times just to get the ideas pounded into my head. Really a fantastic breakdown of everything.
paladin and monk are too awesome folks
Excellent video! Please do one for healers!
I'm trying to choose a class for healing and I can't decide. A video like this one could help a lot.
I'd have to say that Monks are by far my favorite for tanking, I can tank like 20+ mobs just as long as I keep smashing numbers in sequence
brewmaster monk is very fun
So, if you are at 30 percent health and healer is silenced you don't use self-heal cause you think it's lame?
reminding you of this stupid exaggeration
@@tracyd693 haha
This was a very good video Preach. Your opinions are well thought through and you underline your arguments with facts. Furthermore you have a charismatic character which shines through even the simplest TH-cam video. Thanks for your work, we are many who appreciate it! Keep it up!
i think paladins might be the worst for entertaining game play but not the worst for tanking. they have nice damage reductions and reasonably good cds that allow you to multitask your tanking (eg hand of sacrifice and hand of protection) yeah i suppose as a tank its your job to take the damage but sometimes a damage reduction on a healer is more useful than yourself :P
I personally find Prot Warriors to be the most boring tanking spec, the playstyle has been dumbed down to be more brainless than a Prot Pally with the launch of Mists.
Build rage... Shield Block... build rage... Shield Barrier... /wrists.
At least Paladins have more buttons to push >.
hahaha i feel that the like elemental shamans my mains an enhance sham (used to elemental in cata) tought id try out that op spec and it found that my action bars were empty... nothing to push except chain lightning... lava bolt... flash shock... chain lightening... earth shock. WAY too user friendly.
Vabbi Druid but the pally rotation is only like 4 buttons :/
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You're both idiots?
My opener on the pally:
(taunt if necessary) Judgement > Avenger's shield > Crusader Strike > Holy Wrath > Judge > Crusader Strike > consecrate
Add to this Eternal Flame for maximum uptime, and shield of the righteous and you have a BASIC rotation of 7, or 6 if you remove Eternal Flame.
Name another tank with so many button presses in their CORE rotation.
Fights last upwards of 6 minutes, and comparing my damage to my druid tanking partner is downright upsetting :P (I mostly allow him to whore vengeance because it helps raid dps a great deal more)
This used to be better with 969 as it was slower paced, I could focus on the fight and allow my hands to take care of my rotation. Now I need to watch my rotation or I am screwing over my raid with poor damage.
Back in tougher times (vanilla and TBC) I played prot warrior and prot pally.
On the warrior I had to stance dance and it is widely regarded as WAY tougher tanking.
The usage of abilities was still easier.
I had to dance for specific reasons (Thunder clap, intercept etc) but it was basically sunder (later devastate) revenge (procs), shield slam, and cleave/HS. Not exactly "difficult" in terms of rotation, and yet MASSIVELY superior gameplay for tanks, as it left tonnes of room for strategy and eeking out an edge.
Basically, on a prot pally now, I have to press buttons because it is their turn in the rotation. I have to watch my rotation.
Back in the day I had to press extra keys in reaction to something happening IN THE FIGHT.
Dm Gray Calm down nerd.
Coming from a healer, i loved the talk about self healing. Maby not as relevant end content, but i still remember leveling an alt healer, not needing to heal whole instances because the tank never dipped below 90%
since MoP came out, i find that DK is the best for soloing. good DPS and great survivability. Pally has good suvivabilty but the DPS is the worst out of all tanks. Its main damage is from the throwing shield. take too long to solo a boss.
Doing things solo as a tank pretty much means they all will do fairly well. I play every heal/tank in the game. And have never concerned or worried over any solo content with any one tank. I know you did not mention this. However, DK's in raids are annoying to heal. They take some pretty hard hits compared to other tanks.Not always fun to heal them. One the best tanks in the game is still truly the Paladin.
***** this is true in some cases, Bdk's have weak spots. But likely you experience this because I have rarely met a fellow blood dk that knows what the fuck to do with his/her runes, they hit whatever lights up and this is the result you get as described. less of them understand how and why the blood shield works, how,when to hold a DS, like Mike says in the video, to be great at them requires a higher skill curve and more planning 2 steps ahead on the fly. On your next trip through lfr for eg, tell me how many times you see one even use an AMS on Corrosive blast, or whirling corruption,. free rp, no or little damage. failure to do this means you have a poor DK, or a lazy one, and likely indicates they will not play the rest of it very well either.
***** You are correct if you are talking about suvivability. If you are talking in means where they have a way to defend themselves (which makes a tank better if they can) then Blood and Monk would be on the top like he said. I play a Ret pally as a main and if you want to do damage as a pally, dot that instead.
DcIxvi You have to remember things will scale differently at max level.
LeedleGod you do realize that you could just play the dps spec for each tanking class..... suggesting going ret is kind of useless.
amazing video, answered most of my questions on what type of tank to level. thanks for this.
I'm pretty sure self healing for tanks is mostly meant for PvP and not PvE, because in raids in such you have a healer and that is there primary job, whereas in PvP unless you have a pocket healer you have no way to keep your self alive in situations where you're at a dis-advantage. Such as being the FC in WG with no healer or other players around. So as a mostly PvE player you should just not talk about as it's really not meant for you.
You're not serious, are you?
I can't stop laughing!
I'm so sick of the WoW community everyone is an asshole, I'm moving to guild wars.
IdeasEscapeMe I'm sawee
yahamilightkun Whatever.
Very good video, tnx m8.
Seperating opinions and facts and explaining why is a good skill you got.
And I enjoyed every minute of it, really like long videos. specially when the subject require it.
The "bear" is most fun and op
This was an amazing video. It really helped me decide which tank I want to pursue. Thanks again.
Warrior since Vanilla.
Great video man, this is a huge topic and i'm glad somebody took the time to talk about it.
Bleh. I wanted to hear you compare the tank classes, not ramble on about your theories on game balance.
Listen. If bad tanks could fail by ignoring their active mitigation, that would mean that the healers' input wouldn't matter. Currently, the tank and healers work together to keep the tank alive. That's good game play because it's cooperative, where each person involved has influence on how it turns out. A bad tank can make it harder, more stressful on the healer, but in the end can still be carried by his team.
This isn't good players vs. bad players. It's a design choice between making the game cooperative, instead of self oriented. Seeing as how this is an MMO, and people usually play those to hang out with others, it would make sense that Blizzard chose the design route that offered both players involved with the task of keeping the tank alive the tools to do so. A bad tank can make it through content yes, but only if he has a great healer there to pick up the slack. And you want to take that away? Why?
Shouldn't great healers be able to carry their teammates, just as a great tank can carry a bad group?
not only was this informative, but it was entertaining as well. great vid!
The gap between a good player and a bad player should be huge not smaller and smaller thats blozzards problem now is that new players can virtually come in and be on par for the most part with good players...if your bad it needs to show and vice versa ...thats not balance thats either learn the game or get the fuck off and cry about it
Great Video. Explained detailed uses for each tank that i had not previously known about.
"I am a great tank, but I dont have an ego."
self-care has nothing to do with ego
I came back to WoW a month ago and decided to level a Monk 2 weeks ago (already level 85). I leveled 10-80 as Brewmaster and I am loving the active mitigation gameplay (I've leveled a Druid, DK, Paladin, and Warrior the same way). When I didn't use Guard, Chi Wave, Blackout Kick, or Expel Harm, my healer would have to work harder, but when I did use the abilities, I was basically soloing (I was able to solo Culling of Stratholme).
I always went DPS in the past because tanking got boring for me around late game when I just had to let the healer keep me up. Now I might start tanking because I actually feel like I'm doing something.
Warlock with glyph of demon hunting
@PreachGaming When do we get an update video for classic?!
warlock is the best tank.
...lol
I backup tanked as warlock in BC a few times when things got crazy lol
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Your videos are awesome, they help an absolute tonne thankyou
My opinon is that i enjoy a chill tank class, where i can enjoy being there, and being needed, I enjoy knowing that there is LESS of a chance for me to mess up, and for everyone to wipe. warrior tank is VERY fun, lots of cool effects, that i personally enjoy.
Loved this video! Started with a warrior tank in TBC and WoTLK, then switched to a druid tank and thinking about switching to a monk or DK. I appreciate your honesty and insight. Thanks Preach.
Got tears in my eyes when you talked about Druid TBC off-tank glory days. I miss my really usefull, old Cowbearcat.
Well the other thing to consider, is that Agi-tanking in general with a Shaman, means planning very specifically what abilities you will use, (because you cannot use an entire action bar and be affective;) plus Shaman do have Mitigation, but it is something you have to glyph for: Spirit wolves-use spirit hunt=heals; lighting shield+glyph of shields=mitigation; and stone bulwark totem+glyph=mitigation. the problem I am finding is that their best tanking tools are nerfed by global cooldowns.
i enjoy the fact of self healing now. being a monk healer for 5.0 and warrior tank for 5.1, I honestly think that blizz is trying to make it so that healers have something to do during low damage phases in boss fights. for example during the feng the accursed fight there are large spikes in damage during the epicenters, draw flames, and arcane velocity abilities. other than that the damage is not quite that bad, and being able to heal while dpsing is a new and fun thing for healers.
Great video. Thanks for your insight! Your fav 2 tanks are the only ones I havnt tried lvl capping. Haha. I just got my monk to 80 last night and its been a blast lvling him up as a brewmaster.
Warrior tank isn't nearly as complex as it ised to be but its sturdy and reliable warriors will always be my favorite class great video as always preach
Yeah, I started playing my BM more, and I'm just starting to realize how REALLY GOOD they are when you get better in skill. For adds, the roll + charge combo is amazing, AoE inturrupts, guard + healing orbs + self heals are amazing, and they've got amazing utility. I even remember earlier dungeons and current heroics, where I had a macro that let me roll away from the mobs (less damage and aoe slow) and /dance because I wasn't taking any damage.
This was a good video. Addressed a lot of issues with tanking and where each class shines and falls short. However with the 5.4 patch that just came out, guardian druids now reign supreme. You go into the guardian spec and your health is increased immensely, as well as your dodge and threat generation. I just did Firelands with a guardian druid who was geared for feral. He had no aggro problems, never tanked guardian in his life, and was completely without problem all the way through.
When I began playing warrior tank (in vanilla) the sign for a great tank was if he/she could do the stance dance. It was almost painfull to learn, but it was worse when blizz got ridd of that requirement...
I haven't played the game since cata was nice to hear you talking about warriors. I main tanked for a while in wow. I think the 2 shield block abilities irritates me a little bit would just like one too much choice makes it a little annoying but then again I haven't been tanking this expansion so maybe I would just need to play it to get it.
how nicely you've done this video, very good.
Really cool video, 1 thing tho main reason for the 4th talent tree for druids was they were really OP in arena when both trees were merged.
The way you used your spells, was so..special - almost rhythmic. And that was very appealing to me.
I think stagger is a mechanic that death knights should have gotten - it would have smoothed out their bumps, and death strike could be based off of stagger pool healing or clearing a portion of the staggered damage.
Selfhealing numbers are also skewed. Shields are counted towards healing done in the end of the day... The line between those two is very thin after all.
Thanks for this video, most interesting I've seen in a while.
nice compirison for all tank but i like paladin most of it its not boring its fun btw wat addon ar u using?
You sir, truly know your shit haha. And I miss hybrids too!! Customizing my toon through an intracate/indepth talent tree was soo rewarding and fun. It brought a little more variety and spice to the classes. I wish they'd bring it back in some form.
Great comparison
I myself am a blood dk and i just love it
Progressing in SoO now and it feels good to be THE tank
mmm no, I think it's a simple active mitigation(AM) solution. They wanted each tank to have 2 choices for AM, not everyone can have say, 1 physical, 1 magical, so self healing is a way of keeping them different. I personally think it's a lazy solution
There's a reason behind that 10 man raids have a general setting if you can handle one 10 man you can pretty much do all of them assuming you gear up over time ofc. 25 man raids are usually unique to the raid and therefore need ALOT more detail to cover. Some tanks are great for one 25man but not another.
I've had so much fun tanking Monk in mists. It's such a fun class, the active mitigation on it is actually logical and intuitive. Too bad the dps and heal specs are so crappy. Not as much fun to offspec. A melee that has to stand still 3 seconds every 15seconds and a healer whose spam heal options are incredible manacost versus unreliable chi accumulation.
I agree with you. I'm having a blast as a brewmaster right now.
From my healer pov & the experiences I have had in game so far I must agree with you about how Monks have a high degree of mastering thier class. I say that b/c I have not found a single monk tank I would ever want to raid with agian. Actually when in 5 man & theres a monk tank I leave not wanting to waste my time, Keep up the good work & ty for the insights you are able to provide in your videos to the other classes as it has helped my healing ty & god bless
16 minutes in, and I just gotta say...I could watch and listen to you ALL day! haha :P
nice review and summary, im blood dk personally, imho they are op atm, i end up in top10 dps on lfrs in 470 gear.
are you planning on making a healer version? i feel that resto sham was just abandoned aswell, becuase they are op in pvp no one wants to use them in pve anymore, atm even decent resto druds can outheal a sham, not to mention that disc and pala are just too op and pretty much only viable tot progression healers.
Since all tanks have pretty much the same aggro gain it goes down to ability to pick up the boss and adds, which is based on skill, the other would be based on DPS since if you are not doing good dps as a tank the DPS will be able to steal aggro if they dont know what they are doing.
Hey preach, just want to say that whenever i feel like throwing my comp out the window due to the community of wow, you inspire me to play in hopes ill one day meet someone like you along in my 5 man or oon group :)
and in many raid fights feral was the master off multiple roles. switching aggro between mobs and bosses, the 3 dragons in BoT spring to mind where u could switch to cat when needed for that extra dps, and ur cd's can mitigate so much dmg. and the rebirth is always handy
hey mike. i like your reviews and the way you consider the game. i have a question about self healing. if self healing is such a wasted thing to do as a tank how do u explain the 2nd set bonus on the warriors set ? thanks keep up the good work
as long as excelent!! congratulations! i really love that video!
Glad i found this. Really didnt like tanking when i played in cata didnt try it much though. Been thinking about giving it another try and am going to try warrior. Your video has made me decide to try it agian. dont know if you will repond to this but do you have any advice on addons for tanking?
WeakAuras gives you everything and more, i tank on monk dk and warrior and don't feel like i need other addons:) you can add a treath meter ofc but i do well without it
Another perfectly valid point that needs highlighting is that none of the utility of a prot warrior brings to a raid is unique to the protection specialisation.
The double Glaive Brewster in the thumbnail is awesome hahahaha
excellent video. I've only tanked on warrior and dk before but I thought you summed them up pretty well. (warrior main and sooo bored. I prefer his dps spec now) I would have liked a bit more analysis on specific tanking jobs. dealing with adds, dealing with magic heavy bosses, dealing with spikey damage, etc. like you did with Raid support. Approx damage output in similar gear might have been nice too.
Preach, if you could I would love to see a review on the warlock tank. Where could they be viable to help on a raid if even possible, and if so what stats would they want to go for. I was really exited when the glyph can out for use and tried to tank but couldn't do anything more than the heroics.
I also think Tank healing needs to scale down. Warriors are the least capable of self-healing, yet they feel very balanced in this regard. There can be maybe Paladins who focus more on healing, but the rest should heal quite little in my opinion.
Also, as Preach sort of mentioned, Tank healing isn't much of a thing. I would say that during most fights I cast more direct heals on raid members than I do on tanks, because tanks mitigate and self-heal so damn much.
Garrosh is the only fight really in SoO that creams the tanks hard enough that you want a "tank healer".
For the DK; what are the big cooldowns and what exactly do they mitigate? Aside from Blood Shield which is straight-up absorbs
Oh I didn't mean just Mike answer it.....even though now that I read it, it's coming off that way lol. I was thinking the same thing you told me, so very nice. Appreciate the advice.
I have a question about Enhancement Shaman as Off-tanking/DPS; from what I have noticed they have all the right abilities to Tank, but with inabililty to que as such. This would be something to look into, as far as looking at Tanking.
Hey Preach i was wondering if you were going to do more videos like the ''top 5 blizz troll boses '' or vids like that ?
Keep up the great work
loved this video, really helpful and informative
Luckily, you can go into DBM's options and set it to show for you as DPS too. It's set to tank role by default but not limited to it.
On my Prot Paladin, the only time I find myself needed to use Word of Glory is when I am soloing (because I just am stubborn and won't make a Ret set for dailies) and find I need the extra heal after a large pull. And that is still really rare.
You're right. We're kind boring. But man are we solid.
Very in depth guide, can you name the add ons and UI that you use in this video?
cool. Is Sony Vegas reasonably easy to use? I have tried Adobe Premiere, and it seemed to have a VERY steep learning curve.
I actually agree with most of this video. Coming from a Prot Paladin, i believe they're a very fun class to play. As long as you're tanking you have the level of importance and there's nothing wrong with a massive shield crit. It's kind of fun being a DPS and still being extremely important. It may be rinse and repeat, but i enjoy it. Good video.
Preach I undestand your feelings on prot pally but for the healing that they do with battle healer its awesome and its like an additional healer so for progression they are awesome
the fact that tanks can now heal themselves during these phases allows healers to keep there dps rotation optimized and prepare for the hard damage phase that's coming up properly.
Just noticed this was posted just before my birthday :D
Prot Pally on my main, will agree they do need some love to make them a little more interesting, as soon as I switch to my Blood DK I start having a lot more enjoyment with the gameplay. They should chuck a few haste passives onto the Prot Paladin and then throw a few more abilities into the prot line.
Preach my man, I would love to talk tanks with you. My main tank is a Guardian but I have all tanks at lvl 90 currently. All of what I know has come from experience, reading forums/t-crafting sites, logs, and talking to others. If you have some sort of email or chat site available I would enjoy to exchange thoughts current and future of tanks
agree on some points, disagree on others - but very cohesive reasoning and objective thinking (my main disagreement would be the requirement of self healing; i started with a DK tank in wrath and expanded to other classes from there so i had a "self healing is as much my responsibility for surviving as healer's" mentality which gives me a diff perspective). Enjoyed ur opinion on the matter very much. Devoured to whole vid, thanks for making it!
i LOVE self healing as a tank. It's great to solo bosses and questing. both of which i enjoy
:D you're the one who brought the past into this.
And hunters simply are the best, especially with the recent 10% buff to their AP
Awesome as always Preach! Keep it up!