Movies nowadays are just riding on nostalgia, piggybacking on existing franchises while bastardizing it. Mostly movie makers from this generation are simply incapable of producing something truly original.
@TheBackseater What!??? Why would you want advocate for stories that have already been established and told?? New, original stories are better as more people go see it, as long as it's not woke progressive trash. @Faust_YT is 100% correct. Hollywood no longer has the talent so they bastardize every IP in existence. Add their woke progressive garbage and move on to the next victim on the list.
At the gym recently - and I noticed the radio was playing a re-mix of an old song from 30 years ago. Then I realized - "There's an awful lot of those these days". We're just coasting along on the legacy of the past. Whilst that past is also being actively defiled and destroyed.
There are a lot of new pop songs, but I think those will eventually cause people to go deaf. Not because it's too loud for human ears or anything, it'll just be a self-defence mechanism.
I told a younger coworker to go serarch the top movies in years like 1985, 1993, 1997, etc. They were amazed how many great movies came out in single years compared to the last decade.
The reality is that the economy is trash and I'm not spending $30 on anything less than an impactful story. That's 1/3rd of a weeks worth of groceries, groceries that I and tons of others have trouble affording anymore. Movie theaters are not worth it anymore. I'd love to be able to go like I use to. But I just can't. Nobody can.
I've never seen a $30 movie ticket. Do you live in NYC or something? What counts as an "impactful story"? I'd call something like Sling Blade very impactful, while something like Marvel Product 44-B leaves no impact whatsoever.
Many writers of the past were well travelled, often ex journalists or ex armed forces. They had seen and experienced extraordinary events. Most modern writers have very little by way of life experiences to inspire or drive the creative experience. I don't see how that situation improves going forward.
I heard that recently that a movie didn't have any military realism so they needed more experts on staff. In the past, you didn't need a bunch of experts. Half the men stars served, 2/3rds of the crew served and there was a decent chance a decorated veteran was in the crew/cast. So they knew if it made sense since they had been there. Now? No chance.
Exacly, take sir Christopher Lee telling a producer: "Thats not how a dying man sounds, this is how a dying man sounds". And these days we have "actors" that can't even wait until the movie comes out to trow shade on it, because they feel attacked for their gender or race or something... From real soldiers and spies to snowflakes and crybullies...
@@genmaicha.lapsang We are certainly in a failing culture. When the only art is cheap knock-offs of past art, that's a warning sign. Where is all that energy and creativity that used to be there? What can we say about a people that lack this?
@@Mereologist Child marriage is illegal in my country. I'll take that over good movies. I don't want to sound flippant. But all cultures are far more than the products that corporations sell us. And yes, all of these movies are products. The onus is on us to find works that are better.
It's also worth remembering, it isn't that we're unable to make new things here in Hollywood, it's that the people running that industry are all keeping themselves employed and promoting the things they want. No-one there is hiring genuinely good writers and directors because it disrupts the job security and position of authority that they all have. So the actual saddest part about it is that a bunch of new and talented people aren't even getting a chance to try because there's actively gatekeeping going on that's preventing their opportunities. It goes doubly so, if that person doesn't perfectly align with ideologies and quotas that Hollywood strictly enforces when it comes to bringing new people on. So no new blood, no new perspectives, no talent, no change and the industry can only stagnate because we have to wait for the key decision makers pushing all of this to actually cycle out before there's even a chance.
That smacks of _"Hey president Obama can't do anything positive because the Republicans keep blocking him."_ It's a scapegoat excuse for having little impetus behind very slight ideas. _Where there's will there's a way._ No one needs executive _permission_ to be awesome.
you can't write a script when you have an infinite number of taboos to avoid, and messages you need to squeeze in. no Apocalypse Now's for us :( unless its an african lesbian leading the boat of overweight wahmenz who put Delta Force to shame! along the way, meeting Col. Cathy Kilgore, a fearless cat lady who's "badass!", to finally confront Col. Kurtz-an unpleasant and stupid whyte fella, who has gone rogue against the all female commands peacekeeping mission! it will cost $800m, guaranteed to be a huge hit!
In my opinion, with the death of the historical epic, cinema died as well. When the Western world can't enjoy and be fascinated by their own history anymore, it's over.
About the Matrix - I think it had the best marketing campaign of a movie, probably ever. The final line of the trailer (quote from the movie itself) was: No one can be told what the Matrix is - you have to see it for yourself. Just brilliant. :)
It hurts so much cause so much things we took for granted, were not for granted. But I refuse to accept these utter *'incompetents'* making entertainment today, to be our "new normal". Never. No. I rather die then to even *think* that, ever.
nah. Stagnation just happens every once in a while. I can tell you have not studied the large downturn and major stagnation of the mid to later 1970's. The "Malaise" and "oil crisis" combined to put a major of countries on "the back foot". It might have taken most of the first half of the 1980's to "recover" - thanks to policies from Thatcher and Reagan, and weaknesses in the Warsaw Pact - but most places did experience a better time in the latter 1980's. We as a "world society" just have to decide to take the actual best way forward, and commit. Plus we need some new and "cleaner" technologies to aid us going forward.
Another example: 4 or 5 or 6 seasons of Stranger Things instead of having the Duffer Brothers write a different horror story set in the 1980s with different characters. They just keep squeezing the same characters, trying to raise the stakes higher and higher each season as the product gets progressively worse. Instead have them start something completely new.
Sure doesn't help when those "kids" become adults while the script demands you pretend they're still "sorta" kids. Hope they seal the deal with this last season.
To be fair, extending series for many seasons has always happened. Stranger Things isn't alone in this. If anything, Netflix has made it where series have much shorter lengths than they used to, not longer.
I've heard Hollywood executives were always risk averse to an unreasonably degree, to the point this same aversion often causes the economic failures they feared so much, over, and over, and over. I feel like it's only gotten worse with time, and now it's nearing a breaking point. While I do believe there's a creative bankruptcy in current culture, another huge factor is current day corporate culture's unwillingness to give any new ideas a shot, no matter how bad things get with the same old IPs.
There's too many artists. Too many writers. Too many actors / directors etc All these people have to try and justify their job / existence. Truth is, 90% of them should be doing something else, they aren't required.
There are too many of them, yet a few of them get all the big bucks and jobs. Twenty years ago I understood, because there were legitimate good directors, but today? Even some of the good directors turned bad...
I'm not sure that I agree. I think they just need to be getting better at their craft and taking risks and making new projects instead of the grindmill and repurposing of old glory. Tell us new stories.
It's not even the problem that there are too many of whatever position. There are too many unqualified people in those positions. The exclusionary hiring practices by the bigshot companies like Disney and amazon are well-documented at this point. When the ability to do the job isn't the criteria for the person to have a job there, how can we expect hollyweird to produce quality products? The majority of quato employees doesn't know how to do that.
The best movies don't need sequels, and especially not reboots! The best movies are capable of standing on their own, tell a complete story, and don't need anything else to further the story they tell. Creating sequels of popular movies is not the same as making sequels of GOOD movies.
Most films were created to tell a complete story, of which when a sequel is made, it usually ends up as unnecessary, unless it is done by a person who understands the first movie and its possibilities for a sequel..Such as Aliens.
@@Mereologistthe only films I thought were outstanding sequels are Toy Story 2 and Avengers IW. Everything else was either unnecessary or wasn't superior to the original.
Furiosa would have been fine had it come out prior to Fury Road but prequels are largely irrelevant because you already know how the story ends and Furiosa did nothing that wasn't done far better in Fury Road. It was the answer to a question that nobody asked.
Yes we are over entertained! 25 years ago we had cinema, VHS, and cable with a few hundred channels. Today we have cinema, cable with almost 1,000 channels, and streaming services where everything is instant and able to be binge watched. Oversaturation of entertainment. Not to mention everything now can be viewed on your phone. There is no need to wait until the end of the work day to rush home and watch your favorite show.
It's not entertainment, it's white noise. Constant distraction with no real substance to it. I think people are starving for something to really sink their teeth into but there just isn't anything like that out here.
@@LittleMopeHead 100% believe it, these days it's just act scared, we wil add the monster in post. Back in the day they hid the monster in shadows and showed bits and pieces because the entire costume would look silly, not to mention the practical effects they had. A mess made of toothpaste and peanut butter looks better then most cgi from today, just look at the Thing or Alien and compaire that to modern Alien movies or those horror movies where the "monster" is literaly just a guy with a snapchat filter on his face... XD
@@JonnyEarthquakeI gotta call out the hyperbolic language though. There are gems of media and entertainment year-all-round and there are surely some quality older stuff you've never even heard of to "sink teeth into". We CAN address about how underwhelming particular media produced by particular countries/outlets who we'd expect better from in a particular set of years though. Ups and downs in the history of entertainment should be expected.
I think you're lying. I'm Gen Z, and if I asked any of my friends or coworkers if they wanted to watch Alien (1979) or Alien Romulus they'd ALL say the new thing that isn't old with "bad graphics"
Writers today don't understand the difference between an homage or allusion and a reference or fan service. Everyrhing has to be a reference or callback to something else like they're saying, "hey remember this? Remember when this happened?? Isn't my movie good because it does the same thing as this other good movie?"
I just can't imagine walking into a cinema today and watching a movie like Leon, even with hype and good reviews id be shocked by the quality and storytelling
Raiders of the Lost Ark is another one of the films like the ones Robert refers to. Standing on line to see it no one really knew what it was about yet the excitement was palpable. We trusted that Spielberg, Lucas and Ford would deliver.
The last time I was in a movie theater was 2017, due to the overall poor quality of modern films. Entertainment started declining about 10 years ago. You do not have to go back that far to find a variety of entertaining quality films. The 00s produced: Gladiator, Traffic, Chrouching Tiger, Memento, Frailty, Minority Report, Collateral, The Dark Knight, Lord of the Rings, No Country for Old Men, Kill Bill, District 9, Saw, Inglourious Basterds, Pan's Labyrinth, The Departed, Mystic River.
i haven’t been to the cinama since Joker in 2019. And before that i didn’t go for years either. And i won’t be going anytime soon. They need to hire better writers and directors.
Until they start losing money they will continue to make them, the audience will determine the life of that IP. Personally, I've been out since Jurassic Park 3 which I didn't bother to see in the cinema.
As a huge fan of the franchise I have to see it, but I also understand the risk I'm taking as well in this day and age especially after the disaster of the last 3
I had seen all the movies at the cinema, until the last one. I just couldn't be bothered to go because it looked so stupid. Apart from anything, IMO once the dinosaurs are out of the park the concept is dead.
Many filmmakers today don’t know how to create an original story with a relatable theme surrounded with developed characters with substance and chemistry. Special effects and CGI has advanced, but the skill to take the simple make it compelling is going away.
I very much agree with what Robert said, I personally enjoy going to the movies without knowing what's coming, and I remember a time when dozens of original and new movies were released throughout the year compared to all the sequels that are showing up today. As a horror genre fan, there are a lot of original and unique films every year that really left a mark on other films in the genre, besides that I think that the whole point of watching movies doesn't have to be a social change like The Matrix or Star Wars, there were simply new movies, some were good, some were really good and some were okay but there was always something new and interesting to see. Love your contect
Totally agree with this, not only was there more variety but the quality was higher as well. Everything today seems to come from the same vat of slop with a different flavor sprayed on it. If you want this put in stark relief, look up a list of the top 50 films from the 70s,80s,90s or even the early 2000s and compare to a list of the top films from the last decade-- it's shocking. Many reasons for this, for one thing there are way fewer good-to-great filmmakers today, not totally sure why.
I think this is why I enjoyed D&W as much as I did. I didn't know anything going into it, not the characters, the plot(or lack thereof), or what it was about. I just knew that it was basically the "buddy comedy" of the comic book world that everyone had practically been begging for since the first Deadpool movie. @thegreatbloviator6817 I think it comes down to one thing: showing up to check a box and collect a paycheck. Because of that, nothing has a soul and the only way they feel they can make money is by repeating or continuing something that has already been done. There are a very small and dwindling number of exceptions to that, the most prominent among them being Top Gun Maverick, Barbenheimer, and D&W.
My brother and I often discuss how during our lives each decade, be it the 70s, 80s or 90s has their own style of music and movies. To us it seems that after the millennium everything just kind of stayed the same. Also, after smart phones and social media became the norm there has been a huge change in almost every aspect of how the world works.
@@anthonyml7 That's interesting. I hadn't given that much thought but it's true. Even something simple like McDonald's all have a sterile look to them now.
Nope. They would have done the same thing with indie and the same TH-camrs would have the same complaints. Drinker says they would make money based on nostalgia. But I’m sure he would be one of the ones to complain it would be a cash grab. Name one movie with an actor that age that any of these TH-camrs likes in a sequel.
@@anubusx Mel Gibson may be the fan favorite actor for Max, but that doesn't mean you should chain the two together. We should let future generations have a chance to play these iconic characters themselves.
@@cmastersonif it was well written drinker wouldn’t do that though. I can name a couple: spiderman no way home, top gun maverick, Picard season 3, drinker liked Deadpool and wolverine, etc. Most of the soft reboots and late sequels are bad. Cope and seethe
As somebody else said, it's the suits that won't allow new ideas because they're risk averse. Better to assure ROI with remakes, reboots and sequels. The new story ideas are there. They just don't have the balls to produce them.
I think we live in the post literature culture now… In the 20th century a lot of the great epic movies were derived from classical literature… And the smaller good movies were often a Compass it of great stories, rooted in ideas going back through the centuries. I think part of the margin problem is a Deconstruction of the history and mythology of our culture. And with nothing deep-rooted left, the movie makers are left with very shallow and very flimsy architecture, with which to build your stories.
You guys all hit the nail on the head! Space horror is so underutilised. I long for the days of things like Pandorum and The Signal, which may be middling to some, but at least they tried different things. There's no end to material they can draw from. With my limited knowledge I can still think of at least The Night's Dawn Tirlogy by Peter F. Hamilton and The Hyperion Cantos by Dan Simmons.
@@jiggycalzone8585 same for John Carpenter's The Thing, slaughtered by critics, only to become the greatest horror movie ever made according to pretty much everyone who saw it. That make them more than classic imho, it make them Cult Classics.
The only reason I think that Alien: Romulus did well is that people felt it was a step in the right direction and want to see better films to come out in the future.
I think there was a definite hunger for the Alien Isolation experience, and it looked great. At least it sold itself as fully about the Alien and tucked away all the links to prequels. The sequel seems inevitable!
I love these uploads. I get more information on the entertainment industry than the paid for advertising in every MSM outlet. Game over. I'm on your side ❤
I've been saying this for a decade now whenever the topic of films (and tv) comes up; It's just sequels, remakes and adaptations. It's not just the fault of the studios, but also the people's who keep saying with their wallets that they want this. Star Wars needs to die. Star Trek needs to die. The Lord of the Rings needs to die. Not because we hate them, but because we love them, but it's time to move on. I don't think A Song of Ice and Fire and Game of Thrones could've taken off if back then people treated TLotR like we do now. Could that have been the message Rian Johnson had with TLJ? I doubt it, but still...
The best time for Star Wars? The period in the 90s where so much creativity in books and games added so much texture to the worlds. None of it came from Hollywood and Lucasfilm once knew how not to kill the golden goose.
I think we are "over entertained". I made it through 45 years of life without the internet. The last 15 years I have done nothing but the internet. I keep asking me "what would you be doing if there was no internet?", because I didn't notice it missing before. Now honestly, I do love the internet, and for more than just random entertainment - I like to use it to learn too and I think it used to be a lot more fabulous for that before learning got in the way of the oligarchs, but I am on this damn thing all the time, wondering what I am missing from actual life.
I'm doing exactly the same thing with the internet as I was before.... instead of buying books and magazines about topics that interest me, I'm watching videos or researching them on the net.
Internet gives and internet takes. I probably never would've bothered to do a bunch of stuff like learning piano currently if I didn't have the convenience of the internet, but I'm also conscious of all the things I've not done simply because my boredom has been allveiated by sitting around and watching videos.
@@sugartoothYT Same same. I am definitely better off for it, but I sit around watching a lot of videos too.
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This overall stagnation has been analysed under the name of Stalled Century by Matt McKinley on his YT channel Quantum Of Conscience. Would definately recommend his take / meta perspective.
My #1 favourite movie, I knew nothing about. I saw a poster that struck me, I watched it not knowing anything about it other than the title, and was absolutely captured.
@gregorymirabella1423 A Swedish movie called _Sound of Noise_ . The short of it is that 6 drummers get tired of shitty music so they write a concerto in 4 movements that causes the Stockholm police to label them as "musical terrorists". It's a truly beautiful movie.
Hollywood needs both original films and quality films. It's like this: the audience couldn't care less about original films if they aren't quality. The audience needs quality, and they'll turn up if it's original or not. But the Hollywood studios are the ones who need the originality. Original, quality films are what start franchises and create fanbases and fandoms. They're longevity, and Hollywood is dangerously short on that right now. Diminishing returns are going to slam into them like a brick wall sooner or later.
Unique is not enough. Powerful impact with new actors that can actually act with a great script that can develop an attachment in one scene is what is needed regularly. But we have children of the corn writing everything with absolutely no life experience and a lack of history and life experience. Eat the rich, there is no cake.
Definitely bring Robert on again, he steered the conversation into very thought-provoking territory (and I'm a big fan of that). P.S. Cinefiles still discuss Oppenheimer a lot in videos to this day, whereas Barbie I haven't seen anyone mention since the Oscar's
I think the problem is the audience is too adjusted to movies of the now. What made Terminator and the Matrix cultural phenomenons wasn't just the type of movie, it was that it showed us something we hadn't ever seen before from a technology standpoint. It took a medium we thought we knew what to expect with and blew our minds by doing something outside the box. But today's audiences are overly familiar with CGI. We expect it. We're familiar with these new writing styles. The twists and ironic stuff is expected. I think what will turn the tide is a return to sincerity in the writing (horror, for example, has to be true existential, skin crawling horror that isn't shied away from and not jump scares) and a shift to more advanced practical effects. But the latter is going to come with a huge budget cost and so you'll get even fewer great movies.
Most of the best movies are small budget films you haven't heard of. Look around. There are so many good movies. It's hollywood that suck now, but indie and b movies are on the rise.
i genuinely don't understand how it got this bad. even with all the problems the game industry has, we're still getting good original stuff. for every forespoken or super slide squad we get a pizza tower or black myth. why did the movie industry fall to this extent?
Combine the cost of your average blockbuster with the need to make it easy for the international market to understand, and you've got your answer. You can't take risks with a $200 million dollar movie that needs both the EU and Chinese markets, in addition to North America, in order to make back its money
I’d argue even in the video game industry this is an issue. It’s sequels, prequels, reboots, remasters, and very little AA games because no one wants to take risks anymore.
@@Eirik_Bloodaxe oh yeah don't get me wrong the game industry has a lot of similar problems, but it's a 50/50 split between gold and shit as opposed to the movie industry's 15/85 split.
in the early 2000s I was happy that we got a return of old 70s and 80s franchises, such as Terminator, Alien and star wars, because these had been rested for 10-20 years and then it was interesting with what Hollywood could do with these franchises given modern cinema technology combine with new writters and actors. However most of these ended up as trash, and now Hollywood refuses to give these ips a long rest.
As someone who hasn't been to the movies since 2005 (Revenge of the Sith), hasn't seen a western-produced movie since 2012-2014 (Avengers) and haven't seen any movie at all since 2020 (last movie seen was Shin Godzilla), I find these discussions very entertaining.
@@ronel7836 Neither. I don't subscribe to a single streaming service, I've never seen a k drama (I assume the k stands for Korean), and the last time I watched an anime was back in 2009-2010. In fact, the last time I watched TV was back in 2011.
To Robert's point about no one clamoring for a sequel to the fugitive, I'm surprised he didn't remember that there is one. It's called US Marshals and it's a pretty good movie in it's own right.
Lol, it was absolute crap, that's why no one remembers it. The Fugitive is still being watched...US Marshals was a low rent attempt to catch The Fugitive's wild popularity. It sank like a lead wright, with bad writing, literally using the same storyline...he's really innocent. Geez, turns my stomach.
The "are we over entertained?" is a great question. The sheer amount of content available in todays age is ludicrous. People consume it, and then move on to the next thing. It doesnt matter if the content is amazing or garbage, we have very little time to absorb it, think on it, digest it, let it sit in our minds... before the next thing comes out to watch. Nothing it going to have a huge cultural impact anymore, because nothing has enough time to shine anymore. The new motto is quantity over quality. Additionally, not to much original stuff comes out anymore. Just remakes, sequels, prequel, reboots, and so on.
I went to my local 'art house' cinema last week for the first time in months. It was to see a film from 1995 because there is a nineties nostalgia program at present! It was the Caro-Jeunet film, 'City of Lost Children' and utterly brilliant. I never saw it on the 'big screen' back then.
Honestly everything that could be done has been done. Anyone will get sued if their movie idea comes close to someone else's intellectual property. It's sad but I don't think any original can be made anymore because they would get sued. Tragic
been asking this question for a while. Has anything created this century have the staying power and cultural impact of what was created in the 20th century (Superman, Batman, James Bond, Star Trek, Star Wars... for example)
22:41 I think that comment has nailed it bang on. We as a society today are just too over entertained, there are way too many distractions other than movies to keep one occupied. From what I’ve noticed, nowadays there is no urgency to watch the latest movie regardless of its quality, even “good” original movies are flopping or underperforming due to the fact that people want to watch them in their own time.
This video certainly nails home what I've been saying for years. The lord of the rings trilogy was the best we were ever going to get. Since there is hardly any fresh ideas except remakes and sequels. I'm working on my own original screenplay and hopefully can get some funding to make it into an actual film. I have several original ideas for films I'd love to turn into features. This video has pushed that gas pedal down even harder.
I still remember sitting in a cinema, film starts with Nancy Sinatra's 'Bang Bang' followed by the most high-octane and enjoyable film experience of my life!! I'm afraid we'll never get anything like that again.
It's definitely more than one factor causing this problem with film and storytelling in the West. Much of the reason why many of these factors don't exist in places like the East is because they actively shun and disinsentivize much of what we do, promote and tolerate out here. One could argue that their markets are relatively young, but that doesn't mean they haven't made anything prior, especially since they have so many stories from their own regions into antiquity, along with the value they place on storytelling that we no longer do. Even their knowledge of history, which is far more expansive, detailed, and widespread in terms of it being taught properly, taken more seriously and applied where possible, inclusive of traditions and values that are intertwined with history. They're budgets are not even the size of our's at all, yet they produce higher quality content. We have a blind spot and hubris out here in the West about why these places succeed where we do not because we think so little of them and how they interact with the world. Even Japan, I have a feeling Japan will eventually fall victim to this because much of what is happening out here is looking to invade those markets, especially among corporate entities, and Japan isn't going to stop them. They already have some of the demographic and deconstruction problems we have out there as a result of some of the same things we're doing out here. South Korea, at least so far, is still untouched by this.
Cultures that are more engaged with their histories generally make better entertainment. The east makes plenty of historical epic movies that are pretty solid. As an European, it baffles me that historical epic aren't big in the western world anymore. Europe has so much history and epic historical figures/battles. The main appeal of Europe for a lot of tourists is the fact that history is all around you, yet entertainment does nothing with this. Somehow, a lot of historical epics fail and Hollywood just doesn't know how to do them anymore. I mean, those guys in tight suits from Marvel were fun for a short while, but how epic would it be to see Hannibal's conquests on the big screen, or the story of the Mongol invasions. Back in the 60s and 70s, those movies would dominate the box office. Now, they aren't made that much or they simply fail because they are made by fools like Ridley Scott who hate history. I have a theory; western civilization is so divided right now that we can't bring ourselves to enjoy our history. Which in my opinon, is damn sad..
People in their 20’s and 30’s are simply not as smart or creative as their forebears. Just look at the quality of commercials, let alone the entertainment industry. The education system is woeful and the culture is in decline.
Commercials? Who gives a shit about commercials? They've always been annoying, unrequested sensory pollution squirted out by companies high on their own farts.
Yeah, I have a 180 inch projection screen in my house. The audio could be improved, but I have no need for a cinema other than "the experience". Keep waiting for someone to take "Retief the Galactic Diplomat" to the big screen.
Decent home cinema experience not just getting more affordable, but the movies getting too damn long for one sitting! Best example is the latest avatar movie, the last 40 min was a torture in one sitting!
Like what Gundam says "Hollywood is dead, watch anime instead." That is, until they adapt and woke-ify those properties too (see cowboy bebop) but I digress.
@@TheBackseaterYT Yes because it is objectively better. Watch frieren, Fullmetal alchemist brotherhood, overlord, kaguya Sama and then come tell me it's not better than Hollywood.
@@atlantah5496 Incorrect. Some is but most is not woke. Point me one woke show (or more accurately a woke DUBBED show) and I'll show you ten that are not. Fans don't count by the way, there are good and bad fans in every project or product.
@@bordocofrivia2896 I've seen them all, and they're really nothing much to write home about. I've seen what they've done dozens of times over, and the animation still isn't up to standard.
I say that theaters need to shift to showing classic films at reduced prices. I'd love to see Ben Hur, Full Metal Jacket, etc on the big screen. Heck, classic Disney films families could go to would do really well.
Chain movie theaters want to charge me the monthly price of a streaming service for a single ticket. For that price, I'm restricted to their massively over-priced selection of diabetes-inducing refreshments before shuffling into my assigned seat where, if I had the courtesy to show up on time, I'm subjected to at least fifteen minutes of ads- BEFORE the previews, which are also ads. If I'm lucky, the projector won't be under-lit, the sound won't be on the fritz, and a senior citizen won't talk to their companion through the entire movie. I don't want movies to die; I don't want the communal movie-theater experience to die. But how can I fault people for staying home from such an egregiously and unnecessarily aggravating experience?
Another factor contributing to the death of Cinema, as in movie theaters, was the "Unspecified Virus of Unknown Origin." Since that, the nearest movie theater to me is an hour-and-a-half drive... At 70 mph.
As costly as it is, I would still go to the theater IF there were movies I wanted to see. Movies now just seem to be prequels or sequels with a heavy dose of CGI, DEI and poorly written plots. I think that's why people watch at home anymore. If the movie disappoints at home, you just move on without having to leave the theater and drive home whilst being out of a bundle of cash. Worse if you pack up the whole family. 🤷🏾♂️
When I think of the films I loved as a lad they were almost all modestly-budgeted and fiercely original. The kind of films that don't seem possible anymore. Stuff like Escape from New York, Mad Max 2, Warlock, Army of Darkness, Psychomania, The Wicker Man, The Quiet Earth, Dawn of the Dead, Hardware, and many others. They had adequate budgets to do what they needed to do, but modest enough that the film-makers were free to make original, quirky, unusual, and personal movies that didn't need to appeal to everyone to turn a profit. Lower budgets and more risk-taking - that's what's needed (imho).
We are not overentertained & we are not 'just bored with ourselves' or 'living in dull times'. I can't believe platoon even suggested that given everything else he said being so on-point. The studios have taken a specific direction that hinders creativity, leave alone that it wouldve been an uphill battle in modern day entertainment. Hollywood imploded of its own stupid, partisan accord. Technology made movies too expensive to take risks perhaps but it's so much more than cultural stagnation given everything exciting that's still happening on a daily basis at this point. There's plenty to draw from but a specific desire from those in charge not to pursue it. Even when cultural stagnation is certainly a thing to its own degree, it is far from the primary cause of the result we're seeing & it's ridiculous to suggest it is given how genuinely exciting (to the point of terrifying) things are atm. Civil war could've been a great movie if it was made earnestly & competently - there's plenty to say & far more when you dig into the worst things that are happening across the globe. We're outsourcing better culture from the East bc the West refuses to make quality, not bc there's nothing here
A good way to summarize post 2010 entertainment is too many reboots of succesful IPs that peaked back in the 80s and 90s, it's better to watch the originals.
Nobody wants to overpay to get lectured to by people who hate them
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Movies nowadays are just riding on nostalgia, piggybacking on existing franchises while bastardizing it. Mostly movie makers from this generation are simply incapable of producing something truly original.
@@Faust_YT I think that's fine though. I really don't believe we need anymore new things.
@TheBackseater What!??? Why would you want advocate for stories that have already been established and told??
New, original stories are better as more people go see it, as long as it's not woke progressive trash. @Faust_YT is 100% correct. Hollywood no longer has the talent so they bastardize every IP in existence. Add their woke progressive garbage and move on to the next victim on the list.
Alien romulus was actually really good though
@@TheBackseaterYT BS
@@tenryunaito3763 Why is it BS?
At the gym recently - and I noticed the radio was playing a re-mix of an old song from 30 years ago. Then I realized - "There's an awful lot of those these days".
We're just coasting along on the legacy of the past. Whilst that past is also being actively defiled and destroyed.
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There are a lot of new pop songs, but I think those will eventually cause people to go deaf. Not because it's too loud for human ears or anything, it'll just be a self-defence mechanism.
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@@Dr.Pelican-bw2zs It used to be a cliché that us old farts thought that modern music was bollocks, but its genuinely true nowadays.
same i was at gym last night and there was a techno remix of a fleetwood mac song
I told a younger coworker to go serarch the top movies in years like 1985, 1993, 1997, etc.
They were amazed how many great movies came out in single years compared to the last decade.
Its crazy how many all time great movies came out every year back then.
2007 was arguably the last great year in western cinema.
1984 and 1986 were also fantastic years in entertainment, Including music. .
Same applies, my genz co-workers only watch older stuff.
...or animie
I see you everywhere lol
The reality is that the economy is trash and I'm not spending $30 on anything less than an impactful story. That's 1/3rd of a weeks worth of groceries, groceries that I and tons of others have trouble affording anymore. Movie theaters are not worth it anymore. I'd love to be able to go like I use to. But I just can't. Nobody can.
Yes, 100 percent. Last time I went with a friend the tickets were 42 bucks.
If anything, I often check pirate site just to see how quick it appears
I often check the pirate just to see how fast it appears to judge the worthiness of cinema visit
$90 a week for groceries with today's prices? You must be very skinny.
I've never seen a $30 movie ticket. Do you live in NYC or something?
What counts as an "impactful story"? I'd call something like Sling Blade very impactful, while something like Marvel Product 44-B leaves no impact whatsoever.
Many writers of the past were well travelled, often ex journalists or ex armed forces. They had seen and experienced extraordinary events. Most modern writers have very little by way of life experiences to inspire or drive the creative experience. I don't see how that situation improves going forward.
I heard that recently that a movie didn't have any military realism so they needed more experts on staff. In the past, you didn't need a bunch of experts. Half the men stars served, 2/3rds of the crew served and there was a decent chance a decorated veteran was in the crew/cast. So they knew if it made sense since they had been there. Now? No chance.
@@TheIndianaGeoff yes hahaha good point
Exacly, take sir Christopher Lee telling a producer: "Thats not how a dying man sounds, this is how a dying man sounds".
And these days we have "actors" that can't even wait until the movie comes out to trow shade on it, because they feel attacked for their gender or race or something...
From real soldiers and spies to snowflakes and crybullies...
We are a society in decline and our entertainment reflects that.
I disagree, Genghis Khan is not boiling people alive in our towns. Things could be worse.
@@genmaicha.lapsang We are certainly in a failing culture. When the only art is cheap knock-offs of past art, that's a warning sign. Where is all that energy and creativity that used to be there? What can we say about a people that lack this?
@@genmaicha.lapsang Yet
@@genmaicha.lapsangwell he's dead. So doubtful that would occur.
@@Mereologist
Child marriage is illegal in my country. I'll take that over good movies. I don't want to sound flippant. But all cultures are far more than the products that corporations sell us. And yes, all of these movies are products.
The onus is on us to find works that are better.
“Feck off, film!” - Me to Hollywood 90% of the time
"Down with this sort of thing!"
You took the #@&*! right out of my mouth!
90% huh more like 99% for me 😂😂
Sort of thing the good ol' Drinker would say.
It's also worth remembering, it isn't that we're unable to make new things here in Hollywood, it's that the people running that industry are all keeping themselves employed and promoting the things they want. No-one there is hiring genuinely good writers and directors because it disrupts the job security and position of authority that they all have. So the actual saddest part about it is that a bunch of new and talented people aren't even getting a chance to try because there's actively gatekeeping going on that's preventing their opportunities. It goes doubly so, if that person doesn't perfectly align with ideologies and quotas that Hollywood strictly enforces when it comes to bringing new people on. So no new blood, no new perspectives, no talent, no change and the industry can only stagnate because we have to wait for the key decision makers pushing all of this to actually cycle out before there's even a chance.
That smacks of _"Hey president Obama can't do anything positive because the Republicans keep blocking him."_
It's a scapegoat excuse for having little impetus behind very slight ideas. _Where there's will there's a way._ No one needs executive _permission_ to be awesome.
you can't write a script when you have an infinite number of taboos to avoid, and messages you need to squeeze in. no Apocalypse Now's for us :(
unless its an african lesbian leading the boat of overweight wahmenz who put Delta Force to shame! along the way, meeting Col. Cathy Kilgore, a fearless cat lady who's "badass!", to finally confront Col. Kurtz-an unpleasant and stupid whyte fella, who has gone rogue against the all female commands peacekeeping mission! it will cost $800m, guaranteed to be a huge hit!
23:05 this is 100000000% what I have been thinking of movies the last few years, and it's been summarized here perfectly. Brilliant 👍👍
In my opinion, with the death of the historical epic, cinema died as well. When the Western world can't enjoy and be fascinated by their own history anymore, it's over.
Good point.
About the Matrix - I think it had the best marketing campaign of a movie, probably ever. The final line of the trailer (quote from the movie itself) was: No one can be told what the Matrix is - you have to see it for yourself. Just brilliant. :)
This is one of the best conversations I’ve heard in a while on this topic. And Robert kind of sounds like Archer.
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This is what you would expect with the stagnation of the Western culture and civilization.
Fall of Ancient Rome all over again. Except with America and The UK
It hurts so much cause so much things we took for granted, were not for granted.
But I refuse to accept these utter *'incompetents'* making entertainment today, to be our "new normal". Never. No. I rather die then to even *think* that, ever.
nah. Stagnation just happens every once in a while. I can tell you have not studied the large downturn and major stagnation of the mid to later 1970's. The "Malaise" and "oil crisis" combined to put a major of countries on "the back foot". It might have taken most of the first half of the 1980's to "recover" - thanks to policies from Thatcher and Reagan, and weaknesses in the Warsaw Pact - but most places did experience a better time in the latter 1980's. We as a "world society" just have to decide to take the actual best way forward, and commit. Plus we need some new and "cleaner" technologies to aid us going forward.
@chasehedges6775 fall of the Roman Empire & now fall of the British Empire.
The question is , is there anyway to fix it? I suspect not
the barbie phenomenon was basically an internet girl boss vs boy fight.
Another example: 4 or 5 or 6 seasons of Stranger Things instead of having the Duffer Brothers write a different horror story set in the 1980s with different characters. They just keep squeezing the same characters, trying to raise the stakes higher and higher each season as the product gets progressively worse. Instead have them start something completely new.
Sure doesn't help when those "kids" become adults while the script demands you pretend they're still "sorta" kids. Hope they seal the deal with this last season.
@@jessekoepp3928that so annoying. Especially since that means all the "teens" around the "kids" has to be almost 30
Logical ending was season 3. Season four was painful, and I don't care enough to finish it.
To be fair, extending series for many seasons has always happened. Stranger Things isn't alone in this. If anything, Netflix has made it where series have much shorter lengths than they used to, not longer.
I've heard Hollywood executives were always risk averse to an unreasonably degree, to the point this same aversion often causes the economic failures they feared so much, over, and over, and over. I feel like it's only gotten worse with time, and now it's nearing a breaking point.
While I do believe there's a creative bankruptcy in current culture, another huge factor is current day corporate culture's unwillingness to give any new ideas a shot, no matter how bad things get with the same old IPs.
There's too many artists.
Too many writers.
Too many actors / directors etc
All these people have to try and justify their job / existence.
Truth is, 90% of them should be doing something else, they aren't required.
Artist is a term that is used too much. It. Is a title that needs to be earned.
Also what's good their, is spread to thin...Theirs much to many productions...its all quantity over quality
There are too many of them, yet a few of them get all the big bucks and jobs. Twenty years ago I understood, because there were legitimate good directors, but today? Even some of the good directors turned bad...
I'm not sure that I agree. I think they just need to be getting better at their craft and taking risks and making new projects instead of the grindmill and repurposing of old glory. Tell us new stories.
It's not even the problem that there are too many of whatever position. There are too many unqualified people in those positions. The exclusionary hiring practices by the bigshot companies like Disney and amazon are well-documented at this point. When the ability to do the job isn't the criteria for the person to have a job there, how can we expect hollyweird to produce quality products? The majority of quato employees doesn't know how to do that.
Today in a store I've seen a can of Fanta promoting Beatlejuice movie with text 'Recycle me'. I found it ironic.
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The best movies don't need sequels, and especially not reboots! The best movies are capable of standing on their own, tell a complete story, and don't need anything else to further the story they tell. Creating sequels of popular movies is not the same as making sequels of GOOD movies.
There are very, very few sequels that are even as good as their original.
Most films were created to tell a complete story, of which when a sequel is made, it usually ends up as unnecessary, unless it is done by a person who understands the first movie and its possibilities for a sequel..Such as Aliens.
@@Mereologistthe only films I thought were outstanding sequels are Toy Story 2 and Avengers IW. Everything else was either unnecessary or wasn't superior to the original.
The political class which occupies the distribution of mainstream culture simply won’t allow anything dissident of their worldview to receive traction
Seeing how hard they pushed back against Sounds of Freedom or Black Myth Wukong... yeah.
Furiosa would have been fine had it come out prior to Fury Road but prequels are largely irrelevant because you already know how the story ends and Furiosa did nothing that wasn't done far better in Fury Road.
It was the answer to a question that nobody asked.
It was a boring movie. Didn’t like it at all. And this is coming from a guy who loves fury road.
Well, I mean Star Wars prequels managed to succeed Eventhough they were prequels.
@vineetdesai6396 Mad Max isn't Star Wars and slop fatigue is at an all time high.
@@Kiárán92 I would rank Fury Road as one of my top three movies of all time.
Furiosa was... Meh.
Yaboizack shrieks in consoomer at this thought
Yes we are over entertained! 25 years ago we had cinema, VHS, and cable with a few hundred channels. Today we have cinema, cable with almost 1,000 channels, and streaming services where everything is instant and able to be binge watched. Oversaturation of entertainment. Not to mention everything now can be viewed on your phone. There is no need to wait until the end of the work day to rush home and watch your favorite show.
It's not entertainment, it's white noise. Constant distraction with no real substance to it. I think people are starving for something to really sink their teeth into but there just isn't anything like that out here.
Saw a post the other day on Reddit about how advancements in technology have declined people's creativity in Hollywood.
@@JonnyEarthquake agree
@@LittleMopeHead 100% believe it, these days it's just act scared, we wil add the monster in post.
Back in the day they hid the monster in shadows and showed bits and pieces because the entire costume would look silly, not to mention the practical effects they had.
A mess made of toothpaste and peanut butter looks better then most cgi from today, just look at the Thing or Alien and compaire that to modern Alien movies or those horror movies where the "monster" is literaly just a guy with a snapchat filter on his face... XD
@@JonnyEarthquakeI gotta call out the hyperbolic language though. There are gems of media and entertainment year-all-round and there are surely some quality older stuff you've never even heard of to "sink teeth into". We CAN address about how underwhelming particular media produced by particular countries/outlets who we'd expect better from in a particular set of years though. Ups and downs in the history of entertainment should be expected.
All of my Gen Z coworkers and my Gen Alpha family members watch OLDER STUFF or Asian Stuff. Which is fine. The market always determines everything.
Same. I either watch older movies or foreign movies. Nothing american that's recent.
It's "fine" until asian countries become infected with this garbage as well.
I think you're lying. I'm Gen Z, and if I asked any of my friends or coworkers if they wanted to watch Alien (1979) or Alien Romulus they'd ALL say the new thing that isn't old with "bad graphics"
@@genmaicha.lapsang It's "fine" until they end up getting infected with this garbage as well.
Asia still making some bangers fortunately.
Writers today don't understand the difference between an homage or allusion and a reference or fan service. Everyrhing has to be a reference or callback to something else like they're saying, "hey remember this? Remember when this happened?? Isn't my movie good because it does the same thing as this other good movie?"
Memberberries.... South Park
I just can't imagine walking into a cinema today and watching a movie like Leon, even with hype and good reviews id be shocked by the quality and storytelling
Raiders of the Lost Ark is another one of the films like the ones Robert refers to. Standing on line to see it no one really knew what it was about yet the excitement was palpable. We trusted that Spielberg, Lucas and Ford would deliver.
Imho, Furiosa was absolutely spectacular. Very artistic, very creative story structure and narrative. It's a tragedy that it flopped.
Alien franchise is like Terminator franchise 2 good movie to begin with and then decades of nonsense
Bingo.
Add Predator to that
@@mfbias4048 Predator franchise is just one good movie
I like Alien 3 but Terminator really has fallen off a cliff
@@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9rAlien 3 in Director's Cut is a very good movie.
Theatrical version is okay, barely.
My teenage son calls it Hollywood's problem of "sequels, prequels, and requels".
And Fred "Rerun" Berry!
Rob brings so much knowledge and class. He’s great
The last time I was in a movie theater was 2017, due to the overall poor quality of modern films. Entertainment started declining about 10 years ago. You do not have to go back that far to find a variety of entertaining quality films. The 00s produced: Gladiator, Traffic, Chrouching Tiger, Memento, Frailty, Minority Report, Collateral, The Dark Knight, Lord of the Rings, No Country for Old Men, Kill Bill, District 9, Saw, Inglourious Basterds, Pan's Labyrinth, The Departed, Mystic River.
Whoa, it's like we have the same list of movies. I can't be the only one.
Yeah 2010s were where it went wrong. Pan's Labyrinth. Throw back.
Glad to see Frailty getting some love
Interesting takes on this channel thought provoking
There is nothing in thr 2025 that would make me want to go to the cinema
Not even Mission Impossible, Nobody 2, Black Phone, or Michael?
I like when they have classic screenings. My theater is doing LOTR extended for 3 weeks. I'll go to see that.
@@LastSunrise1981 no
@@cpob2013 LotR extended on the big screen just hits different. I unfortunately missed the last event, but if I hear about it again, I sure will go.
i haven’t been to the cinama since Joker in 2019. And before that i didn’t go for years either. And i won’t be going anytime soon. They need to hire better writers and directors.
I can't believe they've still making jurrasic park. What are we doing here?
You would think the lesson would be learned after the first book/movie. Trying to play God bad
Until they start losing money they will continue to make them, the audience will determine the life of that IP. Personally, I've been out since Jurassic Park 3 which I didn't bother to see in the cinema.
Yeah, that franchise is a dinosaur.
As a huge fan of the franchise I have to see it, but I also understand the risk I'm taking as well in this day and age especially after the disaster of the last 3
I had seen all the movies at the cinema, until the last one. I just couldn't be bothered to go because it looked so stupid.
Apart from anything, IMO once the dinosaurs are out of the park the concept is dead.
Many filmmakers today don’t know how to create an original story with a relatable theme surrounded with developed characters with substance and chemistry. Special effects and CGI has advanced, but the skill to take the simple make it compelling is going away.
I very much agree with what Robert said, I personally enjoy going to the movies without knowing what's coming, and I remember a time when dozens of original and new movies were released throughout the year compared to all the sequels that are showing up today.
As a horror genre fan, there are a lot of original and unique films every year that really left a mark on other films in the genre, besides that I think that the whole point of watching movies doesn't have to be a social change like The Matrix or Star Wars, there were simply new movies, some were good, some were really good and some were okay but there was always something new and interesting to see.
Love your contect
Totally agree with this, not only was there more variety but the quality was higher as well. Everything today seems to come from the same vat of slop with a different flavor sprayed on it.
If you want this put in stark relief, look up a list of the top 50 films from the 70s,80s,90s or even the early 2000s and compare to a list of the top films from the last decade-- it's shocking. Many reasons for this, for one thing there are way fewer good-to-great filmmakers today, not totally sure why.
I think this is why I enjoyed D&W as much as I did. I didn't know anything going into it, not the characters, the plot(or lack thereof), or what it was about. I just knew that it was basically the "buddy comedy" of the comic book world that everyone had practically been begging for since the first Deadpool movie.
@thegreatbloviator6817 I think it comes down to one thing: showing up to check a box and collect a paycheck. Because of that, nothing has a soul and the only way they feel they can make money is by repeating or continuing something that has already been done. There are a very small and dwindling number of exceptions to that, the most prominent among them being Top Gun Maverick, Barbenheimer, and D&W.
My brother and I often discuss how during our lives each decade, be it the 70s, 80s or 90s has their own style of music and movies. To us it seems that after the millennium everything just kind of stayed the same. Also, after smart phones and social media became the norm there has been a huge change in almost every aspect of how the world works.
This is so true-- the 70s,80s and 90s all had their own "personality" I couldn't for the life of me say what the personality of the last decade was.
@@thegreatbloviator6817 One word best describes the last decade or so. Confused
same thing with architecture as well
@@anthonyml7 That's interesting. I hadn't given that much thought but it's true. Even something simple like McDonald's all have a sterile look to them now.
The word that comes to mind for the current culture is "toxic".
The Rollerball analogy was spot on.
I wish we got a fourth Max film with Gibson.
Same💯
Gibson and Hardy, at that
Nope. They would have done the same thing with indie and the same TH-camrs would have the same complaints. Drinker says they would make money based on nostalgia. But I’m sure he would be one of the ones to complain it would be a cash grab. Name one movie with an actor that age that any of these TH-camrs likes in a sequel.
@@anubusx Mel Gibson may be the fan favorite actor for Max, but that doesn't mean you should chain the two together. We should let future generations have a chance to play these iconic characters themselves.
@@cmastersonif it was well written drinker wouldn’t do that though.
I can name a couple: spiderman no way home, top gun maverick, Picard season 3, drinker liked Deadpool and wolverine, etc.
Most of the soft reboots and late sequels are bad. Cope and seethe
Just shows there is a total lack of Imagination, and new story idea's. Cinema is going to struggle very sad.
As somebody else said, it's the suits that won't allow new ideas because they're risk averse. Better to assure ROI with remakes, reboots and sequels. The new story ideas are there. They just don't have the balls to produce them.
I think we live in the post literature culture now… In the 20th century a lot of the great epic movies were derived from classical literature… And the smaller good movies were often a Compass it of great stories, rooted in ideas going back through the centuries. I think part of the margin problem is a Deconstruction of the history and mythology of our culture. And with nothing deep-rooted left, the movie makers are left with very shallow and very flimsy architecture, with which to build your stories.
You guys all hit the nail on the head! Space horror is so underutilised. I long for the days of things like Pandorum and The Signal, which may be middling to some, but at least they tried different things. There's no end to material they can draw from. With my limited knowledge I can still think of at least The Night's Dawn Tirlogy by Peter F. Hamilton and The Hyperion Cantos by Dan Simmons.
The first matrix was ground braking, it hit in a amazing way
watch Fight Club aswell if you haven't yet ;)
@@slckb0y65 Something to bear in mind is how films dont always start as classics. Fight Club bombed in theatres
@@jiggycalzone8585 same for John Carpenter's The Thing, slaughtered by critics, only to become the greatest horror movie ever made according to pretty much everyone who saw it.
That make them more than classic imho, it make them Cult Classics.
@@slckb0y65 I'm 40, ive watched fight club
@@jiggycalzone8585 so did Shawshank redemption
The only reason I think that Alien: Romulus did well is that people felt it was a step in the right direction and want to see better films to come out in the future.
I think there was a definite hunger for the Alien Isolation experience, and it looked great. At least it sold itself as fully about the Alien and tucked away all the links to prequels. The sequel seems inevitable!
Similar story with: The Orville, Sonic the Hedgehog, Ghostbusters Afterlife, Oliver Anthony, Top Gun 2.
28 YEARS LATER! Very late but I definitely want to see that. Everything else I don't care.
I love these uploads.
I get more information on the entertainment industry than the paid for advertising in every MSM outlet.
Game over. I'm on your side ❤
I've been saying this for a decade now whenever the topic of films (and tv) comes up; It's just sequels, remakes and adaptations. It's not just the fault of the studios, but also the people's who keep saying with their wallets that they want this.
Star Wars needs to die. Star Trek needs to die. The Lord of the Rings needs to die. Not because we hate them, but because we love them, but it's time to move on. I don't think A Song of Ice and Fire and Game of Thrones could've taken off if back then people treated TLotR like we do now.
Could that have been the message Rian Johnson had with TLJ? I doubt it, but still...
The best time for Star Wars? The period in the 90s where so much creativity in books and games added so much texture to the worlds. None of it came from Hollywood and Lucasfilm once knew how not to kill the golden goose.
I think we are "over entertained". I made it through 45 years of life without the internet. The last 15 years I have done nothing but the internet. I keep asking me "what would you be doing if there was no internet?", because I didn't notice it missing before. Now honestly, I do love the internet, and for more than just random entertainment - I like to use it to learn too and I think it used to be a lot more fabulous for that before learning got in the way of the oligarchs, but I am on this damn thing all the time, wondering what I am missing from actual life.
I'm doing exactly the same thing with the internet as I was before.... instead of buying books and magazines about topics that interest me, I'm watching videos or researching them on the net.
Internet gives and internet takes. I probably never would've bothered to do a bunch of stuff like learning piano currently if I didn't have the convenience of the internet, but I'm also conscious of all the things I've not done simply because my boredom has been allveiated by sitting around and watching videos.
@@sugartoothYT Same same. I am definitely better off for it, but I sit around watching a lot of videos too.
This overall stagnation has been analysed under the name of Stalled Century by
Matt McKinley on his YT channel Quantum Of Conscience.
Would definately recommend his take / meta perspective.
I genuinely miss the 90's.
My #1 favourite movie, I knew nothing about. I saw a poster that struck me, I watched it not knowing anything about it other than the title, and was absolutely captured.
what movie?
@gregorymirabella1423 A Swedish movie called _Sound of Noise_ . The short of it is that 6 drummers get tired of shitty music so they write a concerto in 4 movements that causes the Stockholm police to label them as "musical terrorists". It's a truly beautiful movie.
I was the same with Four Lions. Saw the poster, knew I had to see it.
Hollywood needs both original films and quality films. It's like this: the audience couldn't care less about original films if they aren't quality. The audience needs quality, and they'll turn up if it's original or not. But the Hollywood studios are the ones who need the originality. Original, quality films are what start franchises and create fanbases and fandoms. They're longevity, and Hollywood is dangerously short on that right now. Diminishing returns are going to slam into them like a brick wall sooner or later.
Unique is not enough. Powerful impact with new actors that can actually act with a great script that can develop an attachment in one scene is what is needed regularly. But we have children of the corn writing everything with absolutely no life experience and a lack of history and life experience. Eat the rich, there is no cake.
Definitely bring Robert on again, he steered the conversation into very thought-provoking territory (and I'm a big fan of that).
P.S. Cinefiles still discuss Oppenheimer a lot in videos to this day, whereas Barbie I haven't seen anyone mention since the Oscar's
Finding original western movie these day is harder than actually get struck by lightning in the open
Bone Tomahawk?
I think the problem is the audience is too adjusted to movies of the now.
What made Terminator and the Matrix cultural phenomenons wasn't just the type of movie, it was that it showed us something we hadn't ever seen before from a technology standpoint. It took a medium we thought we knew what to expect with and blew our minds by doing something outside the box.
But today's audiences are overly familiar with CGI. We expect it. We're familiar with these new writing styles. The twists and ironic stuff is expected.
I think what will turn the tide is a return to sincerity in the writing (horror, for example, has to be true existential, skin crawling horror that isn't shied away from and not jump scares) and a shift to more advanced practical effects. But the latter is going to come with a huge budget cost and so you'll get even fewer great movies.
Most of the best movies are small budget films you haven't heard of. Look around. There are so many good movies. It's hollywood that suck now, but indie and b movies are on the rise.
i genuinely don't understand how it got this bad. even with all the problems the game industry has, we're still getting good original stuff. for every forespoken or super slide squad we get a pizza tower or black myth. why did the movie industry fall to this extent?
because youre watching AAA holywood movies, go find some indy dev made movies ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Combine the cost of your average blockbuster with the need to make it easy for the international market to understand, and you've got your answer. You can't take risks with a $200 million dollar movie that needs both the EU and Chinese markets, in addition to North America, in order to make back its money
@@blubug768 i'm not watching any of these movies.
I’d argue even in the video game industry this is an issue. It’s sequels, prequels, reboots, remasters, and very little AA games because no one wants to take risks anymore.
@@Eirik_Bloodaxe oh yeah don't get me wrong the game industry has a lot of similar problems, but it's a 50/50 split between gold and shit as opposed to the movie industry's 15/85 split.
There's a reason that culturally, and in the world of memes, the 20th century reigns supreme.
most modern "entertainement" is not even worth pirating
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in the early 2000s I was happy that we got a return of old 70s and 80s franchises, such as Terminator, Alien and star wars, because these had been rested for 10-20 years and then it was interesting with what Hollywood could do with these franchises given modern cinema technology combine with new writters and actors.
However most of these ended up as trash, and now Hollywood refuses to give these ips a long rest.
I pretty much avoid movies with numbers in the title these days.
Oh... But it is not stagnation. It is far worse. It is degeneration in the words purest meaning.
A rather depressing conversation really, "What's there to look forward to? Meh , some stuff that might be okay." The whole discussion in a nutshell.
In the 1982 movie "AIRPLANE II THE SEQUEL" they had a poster of a very old Rocky under the title ROCKY XXXVIII.
And in reality they even continued after he was too old to coach anymore, with the Creed movies 🤦🏼
I would say "Black Mirror" is portraying the world we live in in an interesting way
As someone who hasn't been to the movies since 2005 (Revenge of the Sith), hasn't seen a western-produced movie since 2012-2014 (Avengers) and haven't seen any movie at all since 2020 (last movie seen was Shin Godzilla), I find these discussions very entertaining.
Your either a huge anime fan or k drama viewer, which one is it
Bro you should’ve saw Dune 2 in theaters…
@@ronel7836 Neither. I don't subscribe to a single streaming service, I've never seen a k drama (I assume the k stands for Korean), and the last time I watched an anime was back in 2009-2010. In fact, the last time I watched TV was back in 2011.
"nobody is making movies about today" - yes, nailed it - this is what is wrong with movies right now.
To Robert's point about no one clamoring for a sequel to the fugitive, I'm surprised he didn't remember that there is one. It's called US Marshals and it's a pretty good movie in it's own right.
Lol, it was absolute crap, that's why no one remembers it. The Fugitive is still being watched...US Marshals was a low rent attempt to catch The Fugitive's wild popularity. It sank like a lead wright, with bad writing, literally using the same storyline...he's really innocent. Geez, turns my stomach.
It's wasn't that bad but it definitely wasn't as good as The Fugitive
SOrry, but no, US Marshals was a terrible follow-up to the fugitive.
The "are we over entertained?" is a great question. The sheer amount of content available in todays age is ludicrous. People consume it, and then move on to the next thing. It doesnt matter if the content is amazing or garbage, we have very little time to absorb it, think on it, digest it, let it sit in our minds... before the next thing comes out to watch. Nothing it going to have a huge cultural impact anymore, because nothing has enough time to shine anymore. The new motto is quantity over quality. Additionally, not to much original stuff comes out anymore. Just remakes, sequels, prequel, reboots, and so on.
What the West needs, cinematically, is a movie that brings the reality of communism in the 20th century back into our minds
I think that new Reagan movie fits that mark, but I still haven't seen it + their not really promoting it
We formerly knew such a reality?
So, 1984 remake when?
Yeah, blame communism, and not the corporate dystopia of current-day consumerism. Because capitalism must be good, right?
@@JohnGardnerAlhadis Better then the dystopia of communism thats for sure
I went to my local 'art house' cinema last week for the first time in months. It was to see a film from 1995 because there is a nineties nostalgia program at present! It was the Caro-Jeunet film, 'City of Lost Children' and utterly brilliant. I never saw it on the 'big screen' back then.
4:27 I briefly got excited seeing a new How To Train Your Dragon movie in the works, but then I noticed the "Live Action" under it. Ugh. Why?!
Breaking Bad & Better Call Saul were amazing.
Honestly everything that could be done has been done. Anyone will get sued if their movie idea comes close to someone else's intellectual property. It's sad but I don't think any original can be made anymore because they would get sued. Tragic
Great panel with some of your best recurring guests! Robert Meyer Burnett makes a lot of good points here.
An early scene in "Soldier" reminded me of "The Long Walk."
Fantastic video but depressing as hell!
been asking this question for a while. Has anything created this century have the staying power and cultural impact of what was created in the 20th century (Superman, Batman, James Bond, Star Trek, Star Wars... for example)
22:41 I think that comment has nailed it bang on.
We as a society today are just too over entertained, there are way too many distractions other than movies to keep one occupied.
From what I’ve noticed, nowadays there is no urgency to watch the latest movie regardless of its quality, even “good” original movies are flopping or underperforming due to the fact that people want to watch them in their own time.
it is madness that almost every movie shown is either a sequel, reboot, or video game adaptation...
Was that particular list an exhaustive one? Or did the author deliberately omit unfamiliar titles to drive home a point?
This video certainly nails home what I've been saying for years. The lord of the rings trilogy was the best we were ever going to get. Since there is hardly any fresh ideas except remakes and sequels. I'm working on my own original screenplay and hopefully can get some funding to make it into an actual film. I have several original ideas for films I'd love to turn into features. This video has pushed that gas pedal down even harder.
Sarah Conor chronicle was pretty good 👍
I still remember sitting in a cinema, film starts with Nancy Sinatra's 'Bang Bang' followed by the most high-octane and enjoyable film experience of my life!!
I'm afraid we'll never get anything like that again.
It's definitely more than one factor causing this problem with film and storytelling in the West. Much of the reason why many of these factors don't exist in places like the East is because they actively shun and disinsentivize much of what we do, promote and tolerate out here. One could argue that their markets are relatively young, but that doesn't mean they haven't made anything prior, especially since they have so many stories from their own regions into antiquity, along with the value they place on storytelling that we no longer do. Even their knowledge of history, which is far more expansive, detailed, and widespread in terms of it being taught properly, taken more seriously and applied where possible, inclusive of traditions and values that are intertwined with history. They're budgets are not even the size of our's at all, yet they produce higher quality content.
We have a blind spot and hubris out here in the West about why these places succeed where we do not because we think so little of them and how they interact with the world.
Even Japan, I have a feeling Japan will eventually fall victim to this because much of what is happening out here is looking to invade those markets, especially among corporate entities, and Japan isn't going to stop them. They already have some of the demographic and deconstruction problems we have out there as a result of some of the same things we're doing out here. South Korea, at least so far, is still untouched by this.
Cultures that are more engaged with their histories generally make better entertainment. The east makes plenty of historical epic movies that are pretty solid. As an European, it baffles me that historical epic aren't big in the western world anymore. Europe has so much history and epic historical figures/battles. The main appeal of Europe for a lot of tourists is the fact that history is all around you, yet entertainment does nothing with this. Somehow, a lot of historical epics fail and Hollywood just doesn't know how to do them anymore. I mean, those guys in tight suits from Marvel were fun for a short while, but how epic would it be to see Hannibal's conquests on the big screen, or the story of the Mongol invasions. Back in the 60s and 70s, those movies would dominate the box office. Now, they aren't made that much or they simply fail because they are made by fools like Ridley Scott who hate history. I have a theory; western civilization is so divided right now that we can't bring ourselves to enjoy our history. Which in my opinon, is damn sad..
People in their 20’s and 30’s are simply not as smart or creative as their forebears. Just look at the quality of commercials, let alone the entertainment industry. The education system is woeful and the culture is in decline.
Commercials? Who gives a shit about commercials? They've always been annoying, unrequested sensory pollution squirted out by companies high on their own farts.
Yeah, I have a 180 inch projection screen in my house. The audio could be improved, but I have no need for a cinema other than "the experience".
Keep waiting for someone to take "Retief the Galactic Diplomat" to the big screen.
Retief! These days? That would give the woke weirdoes the vapors by page 2!
Still in favor, though...
Saw Longlegs last night. Thank god for some original, creepy creativity. Loved it
Original? sure. Creative? Yeah. Creepy? Nah
Decent home cinema experience not just getting more affordable, but the movies getting too damn long for one sitting! Best example is the latest avatar movie, the last 40 min was a torture in one sitting!
Like what Gundam says
"Hollywood is dead, watch anime instead."
That is, until they adapt and woke-ify those properties too (see cowboy bebop) but I digress.
@@bordocofrivia2896 That's because Gundam is biased towards anime
anime is woke af what do you mean
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Yes because it is objectively better.
Watch frieren, Fullmetal alchemist brotherhood, overlord, kaguya Sama and then come tell me it's not better than Hollywood.
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Incorrect. Some is but most is not woke.
Point me one woke show (or more accurately a woke DUBBED show) and I'll show you ten that are not.
Fans don't count by the way, there are good and bad fans in every project or product.
@@bordocofrivia2896 I've seen them all, and they're really nothing much to write home about. I've seen what they've done dozens of times over, and the animation still isn't up to standard.
I say that theaters need to shift to showing classic films at reduced prices. I'd love to see Ben Hur, Full Metal Jacket, etc on the big screen. Heck, classic Disney films families could go to would do really well.
Oh I love going to those.
This is why more than half of my favorite movies from the last decade are low budget indie movies.
A24 Studios has been putting out a lot of interesting stuff the past 8-10 years.
Chain movie theaters want to charge me the monthly price of a streaming service for a single ticket. For that price, I'm restricted to their massively over-priced selection of diabetes-inducing refreshments before shuffling into my assigned seat where, if I had the courtesy to show up on time, I'm subjected to at least fifteen minutes of ads- BEFORE the previews, which are also ads. If I'm lucky, the projector won't be under-lit, the sound won't be on the fritz, and a senior citizen won't talk to their companion through the entire movie. I don't want movies to die; I don't want the communal movie-theater experience to die. But how can I fault people for staying home from such an egregiously and unnecessarily aggravating experience?
Another factor contributing to the death of Cinema, as in movie theaters, was the "Unspecified Virus of Unknown Origin."
Since that, the nearest movie theater to me is an hour-and-a-half drive... At 70 mph.
As costly as it is, I would still go to the theater IF there were movies I wanted to see. Movies now just seem to be prequels or sequels with a heavy dose of CGI, DEI and poorly written plots. I think that's why people watch at home anymore. If the movie disappoints at home, you just move on without having to leave the theater and drive home whilst being out of a bundle of cash. Worse if you pack up the whole family. 🤷🏾♂️
When I think of the films I loved as a lad they were almost all modestly-budgeted and fiercely original. The kind of films that don't seem possible anymore. Stuff like Escape from New York, Mad Max 2, Warlock, Army of Darkness, Psychomania, The Wicker Man, The Quiet Earth, Dawn of the Dead, Hardware, and many others. They had adequate budgets to do what they needed to do, but modest enough that the film-makers were free to make original, quirky, unusual, and personal movies that didn't need to appeal to everyone to turn a profit. Lower budgets and more risk-taking - that's what's needed (imho).
We are not overentertained & we are not 'just bored with ourselves' or 'living in dull times'. I can't believe platoon even suggested that given everything else he said being so on-point. The studios have taken a specific direction that hinders creativity, leave alone that it wouldve been an uphill battle in modern day entertainment. Hollywood imploded of its own stupid, partisan accord. Technology made movies too expensive to take risks perhaps but it's so much more than cultural stagnation given everything exciting that's still happening on a daily basis at this point. There's plenty to draw from but a specific desire from those in charge not to pursue it. Even when cultural stagnation is certainly a thing to its own degree, it is far from the primary cause of the result we're seeing & it's ridiculous to suggest it is given how genuinely exciting (to the point of terrifying) things are atm. Civil war could've been a great movie if it was made earnestly & competently - there's plenty to say & far more when you dig into the worst things that are happening across the globe. We're outsourcing better culture from the East bc the West refuses to make quality, not bc there's nothing here
One reason why Anime increases its popularity by the month
A good way to summarize post 2010 entertainment is too many reboots of succesful IPs that peaked back in the 80s and 90s, it's better to watch the originals.
“Are you not Over Entertained” WILL be a line in Gladiator 2