1924 Model T Ford - First Start-Up | Reviving an Old Engine That's Been Sitting for YEARS!
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- Hey everyone and welcome back to Iowa Classic Cars! Today we work on a 1924 Ford Model T, we have never worked on one before, and there was a ton of stuff to learn when attempting to fire it up for the first time in many years. These cars are nearly 100 years old, and are pretty complex for their age. This car has been in our friend's family for many years, and it hasnt run in a long time, so we thought it would be a nice surprise for them to see it running again when they got home from vacation. If you enjoyed this video, please leave a LIKE rating and subscribe if you are new!
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Here are some helpful suggestions from an old ASE certified master technician who has driven Model T Ford's a very long time ago.
First, you should check the oil level and fill the cooling system.
If you can't find the dipstick, stop right there, you need to learn more about the Model T.
(It doesn't have a dipstick)
Then fill the fuel tank and check for leaks.
Next, remove the sparkplugs and using your thumb, check for compression on each cylinder while someone else turns the motor with the crank. Do not use the starter. If no, or weak compression you probably have a valve stuck or partially stuck in that cylinder.
If you have a stuck valve, there are things you can try to work it free. I won't address that here.
Assuming that you have compression on all four cylinders, next, using a 6 volt battery only, put the ignition switch in the "Battery" position and turn the engine over very slowly with the crank to verify that all four coils buzz in the correct sequence. You can check the sparkplugs at the same time, just connect them to the sparkplug wires, leave the plugs lying on the cylinder head and look at the quality of the spark as you turn the engine slowly with the crank. Don't use the starter motor.
If everything checks out OK install the sparkplugs and try to start the motor.
If it doesn't start you have a carburetor or fuel delivery problem.
Or in this case, after watching the video, I question that you know how to manipulate the spark, throttle, and choke and adjust the fuel mixture.
Furthermore, never run the motor without coolant, even briefly. Just pour water in the radiator until it's full.
When you're through, simply open the drain cock and let it run out.
From what I saw, you likely have an issue with some of the coils or the low voltage distributor.
(Yes, it DOES HAVE A DISTRIBUTOR, but it's on the front end of the motor and driven by the camshaft. It sends 6 volts to the proper coil box at the proper time.)
And about those coils, 12 volts can damage them. If you use a 12 volt battery to crank the motor, put the ignition switch in the "MAGNETO" position only, not the "BATTERY" position.
Czar w
Model T's never had a rumble seat option. Wasn't until 1928 with the Model A.
10-4 thanks, did not know that
@@IowaClassicCars More useless information for ya. 1939 was the last year of that option as well.
It's awesome that you got it running, thanks Ryan!
Thanks for watching Dom!
Great job
Really enjoyed this video, I do hope you will find someone who has driven a T and take it out and drive it. One thing you will need is patience, T’s have a mind of their own . You might check your spark coils to be sure they are all buzzing. I currently have a 1924 T I’ve hade since 1970, bought it from the second owner who was 92. It is a pickup now and was a touring car but made into a pickup by the village blacksmith when it was 2 yrs old. I have had 4 other touring cars and a speedster they are made to enjoy 😄👍🎩
Thanks Jon, we will be driving it more!
Use them or loose them Right?, Kind regards and a Happy new year from Belgium(blacksmith-daily T 1915 driver and a son crazy like a hatter about T too)
Great condition for og. Solid car. Love it. Finally a car older than me 😂
Haha older than all of us
Id daily drive that ! Screw the haters.
I would too but idk how realiable it would be haha
The haters.... You mean the long line of faster vehicles stuck behind you?
I only commute 5 miles to work in a city so in nice weather it would be my daily driver too.
@@Jacy-dx6dx faster is not needed for cars. aircraft yes
If you love Model Ts and are near Yuma, Arizona, take a 15 minute drive to the Cloud Museum in Bard, CA. He has a large number of the vehicles. The ones outside have patina and not operational. Cars in the buildings are all operational. I've never seen so many Ts in one place before. There's every model from truck to passenger car.
Nice thanks
Beautiful car
Thanks steve
But it’s a ford. Just kidding that old girl is in amazing condition for an original. Never a boring video with your channel keep the content coming I very much enjoy it. Happy new year Buddy.
Right on thanks Mel!
Check your capacitors in each coil. Spark may not be full charge. I learned thisfrom another channel and sounded logical. Reportedly those capacitors are tin foil and she may be spsrking but not full charge. Im just a casual observer. Thanks for great vidio! Enjoyed!😅
19:00 sounds like a locomotive. I imagine it's not hitting on all cylinders, check your spark. If the Starter craps out, you have your crank! 😆😆😆😆😆😆
Thanks for another great Video, The Definition of insanity is to keen doing the same thing over and over. Happy New Year. Stay Safe.
Same to you!
Ryan and Marshall!! I really enjoyed the video. Could see how a vintage spark plug and starter looks like. I am surprised to see the build quality of those parts after almost 90 years. Great video! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks man!
I’d say you flooded it, I could still smell the raw gas way out here 2 years later!
😂😂😂
Fun video thank you!
Lol thanks
I wouldn't want them around my Model T. Many reasons but a top one is that they have no concept of Ohms Law. When you double the volts across a load, you quadripple the watts that you are drawing through the load. They stressed the coils and starter motor big time.
I wouldnt work on one again, old obsolete design but at least we did it once
@@IowaClassicCars it was still fun to watch. I had a Model A in high school in Black Hawk County.
100!years Old
Not bad on one cylinder!
Pretty solid old car. Glad to see it back running.
Thanks man!
OMG I love starters!!
Lol i know you do!
Almost about to turn 100 years old!
LOL … starting up a restored model T is child’s play.
Lol well its not restored but ok
That car was restored at some point. All you needed was to clean the timer and adjust the carburetor for a richer mixture to get that started.
It's really hard on the starter when you're using a 12 volt battery. So go out and get a 6-volt battery now instead of risking any (further) damage to the starter or the wiring. Please?
The forums also said it would be fine to use a 12v. But yes now that its running we will get a 6v
@@IowaClassicCars 12 volt works fine until it breaks the bendix.
Really enjoyed this one, thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Lets see, there was no need to actually pull the starter, if your not out of gear while the brake handle is all the way back, then you need to check where the handle engages the left pedal, the left pedal in the middle position, is neutral, pull the handle all the way back, and your wheel brakes would or should be engaged, your middle pedal is reverse, and can in an issue be used as the brake, your driving brake is the right pedal, it engages a drum inside the transmission, loved the video, I'm of course no expert on Model T's, but while I was growing up, my dad was a Model T collector, take a wild guess what I learned to drive in!
As for pulling the starter, you really only needed to pull the starter drive, which you guys did eventually figure out, its under the floor boards!
The starter did have to come out, it was wedged in the flywheel and the motor was locked up. We couldnt even turn it by hand
@@IowaClassicCars Okay, evidently the starter was loose possibly, however, that wedge could have also probably been cured by pulling the starter drive, or bendix, either way, you got it going, good job there for sure!
Dont pull the spark all the way down Listen to your engine taking revs. Great to see you soldiering one. She will be great fun ones on the road again
Happy New Year from Belgium(Daily 1915 T driver)
Thanks man
A Model T is never really out of gear. The friction from the oil in the clutches will cause the wheels to spin. Put it on the floor and chalk the wheels so it won't run over you.
As soon as it starts, put the timing in full advance (all the way down) and it will keep running.
Well done buddy !!!
Thanks man
very fantastic my friend
Thanks for the visit
That was neat! I have a Harley Davidson that has an old magneto. It's a 1945, 1 of 1200(I believe) that was produced for civilian use during WW2. It's a 46 inch flathead and is a model 80. Basically the cheapest model made then. I could be wrong about what I just stated since I'm more interested in cars than Harleys, but the price was right so I couldn't pass it up. Would like to be corrected if anyone here KNOW'S that I am wrong about the information I have on it(don't correct me if you THINK you know). Keep them video's coming Ryan from Iowa classic cars lol
Thanks man!
Awesome video Ryan, really enjoyed it. Best to you in the new year 👍
Thanks man same to you!
that car was my childhood car i like to crank it to start that was my favorite part
Just, a note, when the starter locks up, simply put the car in gear on the ground and rock it back and forth. The bendix will release from the flywheel and you will be good to go again. When starting the car mine usually likes two 1/4 turn pulls with the choke pulled and the key off. Then turn on the key and crank it to start. Yours sounded like it needed a bit more choke when it was just cranking without firing. Not too much choke but 1/4 turn of the crank while choking it. The coils need to be done by someone local who has a hand cranked coil tester or similar. Don't use a buzz box it will be worse than it is now. Plugs are available at most major parts companies. Champion X (#425) was the original. # 25 or 3095 Auolites will also work. The spark plug wires are copper wire and don't go bad like more modern cars do. I wouldn't worry about that at this point. Don't try and run modern wires on it, you will destroy the coils. Good Job on the progress you made.
Thanks Doug
Can’t believe you’ll did put oil in cylinders to build complexion
The trans pedal have a natural neutral position. One of the levers is stuck. The foot controls have springs to hold them in place
Thanks, we will look into it!
You know what a great specimen this T is?
Be thankful.
Yes its a nice one
@@IowaClassicCars Indeed. I’ve seen much worse, restored to beauty.
My grd father had a1924 model T, .
My mother was 12 yrs old, 1924. They drove from dekalb, tx. To Carlsbad NM, to see the caverns. She said it was a little better than a wagon. Imy her youngest child, I just turned 80.
The only stupid one is the one who don't try. Well done guys. Could you imagine trying to start one of those in the winter to go to town?
Thanks man and people back then were alot tougher!
One interesting detail about the carb - the choke button should also double as an adjustment for the air/fuel mix when you turn it around. I'm not sure it that feature is universal to all Ts, but keep it in mind for the next time you're starting it.
Nice thanks
should the oil have been checked
we did
That's what I wondered. I"m not sure I'd like having these guys touching my car.
@@HenryBLeeNYC well we wouldnt work on yours so its all good lol we checked the oil, but there is absolutely no reason to film the most basic things
@@IowaClassicCars oops, sorry I missed your other reply regarding the oil. Sorry about the negative comment- I love your videos!
@@HenryBLeeNYC no issue, i have a lot of people leave nasty comments about basic things....there is just no reason to film that stuff. but if you would like to see it filmed, i can definitely do that. thanks for watching, and sorry i took your comment out of context.
I don't think the plug gap supposed to look like that
On a model T the side electrode should bend up like that. Not go underneath the center electrode.
This video just proves that anybody can get Henry's model T running ! LOL
Haha
Even Ryan.
U broke the starter with the batt. Twice the volts
Hm that does make sense. But nothing broke, it just got wedged in the flywheel teeth
I understand this is 2yrs old but there's a process. Retard the timing, some throttle and choke. When it fires you advance it a little at a time and open choke and close the throttle.
It sounds like you might have a valve problem. It h been sixty years since I drove a T model.
I gather if you spill some fuel filling and smoked while driving, it's a bon fire on wheel...
If it's been sitting for years I just hope they seriously lubed everything up before attempting to run it.
1925?
My dad has a model t touring that he bought in the 60s. My job as a kid was to pull down the spark lever down as soon as it hit when he hand cranked it. About staying in gear I know that when you pull the break lever that the high-low pedal should move to neutral. Is that linkage hooked up or out of adjustment? Looks like a great car and would look great cleaned up and on the road again.
we will check that, thanks!
Its not running on all 4 cylinders. change the plugs and do a compression test,,
The body and that front fender kinda reminds me of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.
just let car run gys
Thankful you didn't have to hand crank it that's a bit have a great day man
Very thankful lol
Very welcome anytime
I remember doing that with an old tractor that my uncle had and it was a b**** to turn that thing over man it took us a half a day just to get this stupid thing to run
Ryan I am so happy you are bringing this Old Gals back to life. Happy New Year to you and yours.
Thanks for watching Dave, same to you
12 volts probably fried the coils
Loved this one. Thank you 👍🏻
Glad you liked it!
In your next video could you please keep the camera still? Now you constantly pan over the car making me sea sick. Thanks.
Yeah sorry
It was running but not on all cylinder
Its timing
Not what I would call a barn find … just a dusty restored model T that needs some adjusting. These are very easy to tweak back into reliable running condition. I drive mine 100 miles a week.
it was fun to work on though
Absolutely. You know you can take those plugs apart and really clean them up. Just takes two wrenches. I clean the plugs, coil points and timer every three months of driving. Makes a big difference in starting … and hill climbing.
You can’t beat those old “T”s!
no you cant!
You guys didn’t give up, got her running. 😎👍🇨🇦
Persistence!
Great when it runs on 4!
Lol absolutely
I just watched the video. To start a T you need the spark advance in full restated on the timing. That position is all the way to the top. You don’t touch it until the car starts. Once running you fully advance it.
You should have had the throttle lever set to about half way to three quarters of the way on the accelerator.
When you almost had it started but then nothing you should have given it more choke.
If the starter bound up it was because you were playing with the spark advance. You can hurt the starter trying to start it with the spark advanced.
Also, always start the car on Magneto, then turn ignition to Battery once the car is running.
The transmission is a planetary transmission. It is never really out of gear. That’s why you jack up the rear drive wheel when you are starting for the first tim in a while. There is less drag on the motor so it spins freely. Thus it will start more easily.
You almost had it started at the beginning of your video. If you knew how to manipulate the controls, you probably could have had her started in an hour. She was ready to go.
I cringed so many times watching this 🤪 I hope no one considers this a how to video
Well we got it running and before this had never messed with a model t. We had fun too, never intended for this to be a propee how to
It's realy not a bad thing she doesnt fire up right away because the oil(i hope you guys checked it) gets well splashed around wich is good.
Great video lads, , but adjust the carbneedle by turning it anticlockwise and then she will fire up right away. Henry made quality
Thanks!!
stuck clutch?
its definitely a possibility
Nice Ford coupe video. The kid has no patience tho. 🙄
Spent 4 hrs on it, id say thats patience lol and took that starter apart and back in/out about 3 times. We tried our best with no beforehand knowledge of these. Thats how you learn right?
Isn't the model T a 6volt positive ground? You said negative ground. Edit: You are right, model T was negative ground; then ford went to the positive ground with the Model A in 1928.
Yep lol before we even hooked it up, i made sure to check the forums on that question
I love hearing the Model T's run.
Yeah they do sound good
That is not a hand brake
Good to hear her running, enjoyed. Nice old t.
Glad you enjoyed it
Advance the timing
Awesome job!! Great car. What does your friend have on his garage floor. My hubby needs that! Thanks
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Thanks Dan!
Something's up with the video. It's like the screen jumps slightly every 5-10 seconds but only when you're moving the camera around. Anyone else notice?
Hmm, refresh it maybr
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Was just thinking that you have the wheels jacked up. The clutch in a T is in the same oil as the engine. If it’s a little cold in your garage the clutch will grip a little and cause the rear axle to turn. It’s very common for a T to crawl forward after starting on a cold morning. Put the rear wheels down, pull the parking break back and put chocks on the rear wheels and start it again. Once the engine oil heats up the wheels will not turn with the weight of the car on them.
Thanks for the info
Love that car
Did the exhaust happen to be plugged up? I lost count years ago of the numbers of car I have gotten running for collectors where the md wasps have built nests up the tail pipe. The way it seeme dead but would fire is always a red flag to me.
No thankfully it was not plugged
As I greatly appreciate you saving old Mid- west ancient iron - but please do a little bit of research before you post your videos - whenever you are two years off on anything. Not a 1959 Chevy ticks me off - I have been trying to save good iron all my life - I do not have your resources. - Quick tip - 1967 Impala SS - drove by it many times looking for 1968 Impala parts - Yah - red on white 396 - factory 4- speed - parked and last drove and plated 1977 - complete - just north of Sac city , Iowa
What do you mean two years off? It ticks you off? Only reason we even found out it was a 24 was from a for sale sign under the seat. There is no vin om these, we even tried to decode engine #.
This was fun to watch. Learning to start it. Kinda like young kids with a dial phone. There is nothing like hearing it start again for the first time! I myself am working on a 1932 Auburn and when she fired up the first time again. I was a kid in a candy store. Have fun with her but learn how to drive it first. Then take it out. Be careful of the 12v battery. It will burn things out. I have a 6v system go to tractor supply. Keep your battery charged and air in the tires :) have fun.
Glad you liked it
I agree with the Gentilman bellow sounds like you might have a coil that is not working . They are simple but it takes time to to understand thebugs of the indiviual cars
Thanks
you did better then some people ive watched work on model Ts. i would suggest dropping the float bowl on the carb its just one big bolt on the bottom. see how much dirt is in the carb.
Thanks man
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This is a beautiful car, I am a model T lover and have a 1924 pickup I bought from the 2nd owner in 1968 ( he was 93) I don’t see how such a great car could just be kept and not used for so many years 👍🎩
Right on!
You need to adjust the mixture on the carb
Nice is that for sale and was it worth
Acetone works really good for plugs
This was a great video, thanks Ryan. Can't believe that they put the gas tank under the seat lol.
I know, right?
Sounds like you are running on one or two cylinders check compression and coils
Hmmm okay thanks
I think it's called a runabout.
Great video Ryan
Thanks man
Excellent video Guys :) also choke knob you need pull and turn to right clocwise then when motor starts smooth turn to left counterwise to smooth engine running perfectly sounds on to also! You know probably why gear and play with foot pedal too ! Cool old Model T Ford 1924 car in good condition too! Happy New Year 2022 ahead too!
Thanks man same to you
@@IowaClassicCars welcome also check linkeage on transmission they may be disconnected!
That "hand brake" is actually the go fast lever.
Thanks
Sounds to me that you have a valve stuck open reseat the valves and change the valve springs and you're in business
Awesome! 😎😎 Happy New Year from northern Italy!
Thanks man same to you
Fine video, fine car! I would like to watch more videos about cars of that period.
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Cool , you guys are close.
I believe the spark advance lever needs to also be set up for start up and adjusted as soon as the motor starts.
Yes thats what we were trying to do