ALL WHEEL DRIVE on Class B+ Camper Van!
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- 2022 Thor Gemini 23TW - Thank you Motorhome Specialist!
This is what youve been asking for! A class B+ motorhome that is fuel efficient and All Wheel Drive to get to those hard to reach places!
Now if you watch the show then you know I am not a huge fan of Class B Motorhomes. But when it ones to these class B+ I Absolutely love them, because they drive like a B van but have a spacous living area!
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Hi everyone and thanks for the comments and questions. First, I grabbed the OCCC off a 23TE parked out back and it was 1647 lbs. For those looking for lots of interior storage the 23TE has that as well. With the power from the engine, the 10 speeds and all the tech inside, they really are one of my favorite RVs to drive. Thanks Matt and Andrea for the review. - Steve from TMC
Hello Thor
Where in Texas is your location?
The 2022 23TW on a Ford chassis this rig being reviewed, the OCCC says 1415 pounds.
- we bought from you-
@@AjMarti-ry4ep Alverado TX
If I ever win the lottery and buy a RV I will definitely buy from Matts RV. Their joy and objectivity is so refreshing.
Did I truly just hear you diss What A Burger? The Texas burger chain? Really? LOL You get what you order there. If you go again, pls do, try a Patty Melt, or double meat, w. cheese and beacon. Could you show some small Tiffin RV's? Doing loads of Thor's lately. I like the Gemini, but behind the walls they do not look as good as others.
This unit was on the top of my short list until I looked at it at the Hershey show. I was very disappointed in the build quality. I absolutely love the all wheel drive, the size, and the floorplan but it just seemed poorly made. Thor please fix this because I'd love this unit.
Thanks for the review. As someone who does a lot of urban camping, I'd never buy an RV that requires the slide-out to be extended to sleep or use the rig.. Love to be able to just pull off the road and take a quick nap without it looking like we are camping there. Fridge and lack of storage would also be a deal breaker for full-time living.
Thank you so much for showing it with the slide in! I’d love to see you always show the campers first with the slides in and show what you can and can’t access that way.
Great review as always!
Like: seating when the bed is up. Good use of space.
I love the “cat corners”❣️
Wow such quality -sky light wouldn’t open till matt slapped it -Andrea’s seat would not recline. Sign me up right now please
We picked up our 2022 Gemini 23TW in October. As expected, we are having some build quality issues that Thor seems to be slowly correcting like drawer slides and latches, poor shower surround installation, and we're still waiting for our seat cushions for the driver and passenger. Having said that, we really love this RV. It drives great and the inside space with the slide out is awesome. Bottom line, if we get the open issues corrected, we feel good about our purchase.
A couple of other features Matt never touched on that sold us on this unit. Touch panel controls for everything from lighting to slides to heat and AC AND full control from a smart phone app. Also has 100 watt solar panel that gets you started. Also has Winegard Connect 2.0 for wifi extension and ability to add sim card for cellular hotspot. ++
Seems to be the new standard, higher prices poorer quality control
Just curious what you paid for this model in 2021
$88k
Not a bad price . A little more than a 2020, but better than I have seen
Really shouldn’t have those issues but this seems the new normal
WOW-ate Whataburger, You failed to go onto the roof so you wouldn't jump...Smart.
Hey Matt and Andrea, thanks for the review. I like the interior colors, the window over the cab area and the bedroom storage. Not crazy for the small frig or the small amount of outside storage. Need a bunk over the cab and a Murphy bed model for my ideal model! Keep on keepin' on!
Nice floor plan but, a full slide with a 5,000lb hitch on a Transit chassis? That's Unusual. for my preference, I would exchange that dinette for a dual reclining sofa with a 40' TV that would swing down from the ceiling. A larger 2 door refrigerator. The bathroom is tight, but doable in a 23ft RV. The AWD and rims are a great feature to have. Perhaps, extend it another foot to allow pantry storage? Good job, Thor👍
Not a bad little motorhome but they sure have gotten expensive. I really liked that you gave the mpg. And they really should give you a way to the roof.
Wow, a generator that's mounted higher than the differential!
Just goes to show that someone is paying attention.
Thanks Matt and Andrea! Love the energy as always!
Thanks for sharing my favorite RV!!! You guys rock!! ❤️❤️
Love this B+ thanks for sharing and as always stay safe, safe travels, and God bless love ya Nancy
FABULOUS! LOVE this one ... thanks for sharing! 💕
It's pretty cool, a QI pad beside the bed, upgraded door window and a little detail of the plastic trimming the driver compartment would make it even better.
Love you guys slow down
Thanks for a good review. We bought a 2021 23tw last hear and traded it for a MinnieWinnie 26t. It was too much to get into the bed or make the bed. Prefer the walk around queen in the Minnie. We miss the full electronic control of the RV from te phone app. Never had to get out of bed to change ac settings, lights, slides and levelers also controlled by phone. It was also a bit nimbler. But the extra 4 feet is easy to handle. Both can be used without a tow as they are easy to drive around the CITIES. We drove in STL, KCI, and Moab worth with the Minniei and. MIA with the 23TW both are good and both have had quality problems.
Good to see the improvements in this years unit.
Please no more Thor reviews for a while. How about reviewing some Winnebago RV’s?
Nice! Merry Christmas to everyone!
Dislikes 1) Fuel tank and black tank are woefully inadequate; 2) shower curtain; 3) tiny refrigerator
Likes 1) AWD & Ecoboost engine; 2) swivel seats; 3) sky light
Mat and Andrea thanks for the review 23tw looks like it makes a fun weekend get away and as far as the camera mirror goes it’s perfect that way you can see back and also keep am eye inside for kids or fur baby
Love this unit very spacious and well thought out design thanks guys for the review
"Negative, Ghostrider." Not many will get that reference.
Great show Matt! Even though I can not afford a machine like that and I can not drive lol I enjoy watching all your videos about all the new Sprinters and other coaches, Super C's etc. You are a great host and I never knew there was so many types of motorhomes...good to know! Happy holidays and keep on filming your cool videos and sales of those neat tiny houses on wheels👍
Thank you guys❤️
Love that unit!
I like this Thor for as small as it is. My likes are the same as yours. My dislikes as well. I think that refrigerator is small. Storage is good in this class B +. Thank you Matt and Andrea!
Matt and Andrea do such a great job reviewing all of these units. I do wish they showed what the exterior looks like when the slides are extended.
Very nice.
Agree on the frig should be bigger. Plus it needs a pantry.
Nice to hear the MPG!
I love the Gemini!
13:49 "They should have called it disappointment burger." - Matt 2022
Wow. That thing has better gas mileage than my H2 had. Whoa. I didn't realize there was no pantry space. Thanks Andrea......... Hi Steve........
I really like this unit. Andrea doesn't care for shower curtains and prefers nautilus shower doors instead. I must agree. I did notice that she didn't say the entire bathroom was a -. Her legs wouldn't dangle on the toilet like Matt's, cause Andrea is taller.
so chilling
wow this looks fantastic!@ AWD 4 the win!
I like the review! The price isn't bad!
Those are fighting words ..Not liking the Whataburger!! LOL
Love your videos...
I said the exact same thing, but since I moved to Minnesota from Texas 12 years ago I haven't had any (they don't have Whataburgers up here). I don't want to think they've gotten bad since then.
Like the windows in the bedroom for cross ventilation. Love the headboard in the bedroom. Nice for watching TV. Love the colors inside and out.
Wondering if there is additional storage under the dinette benches. Why not make full slide drawers? Bathroom is so so !! Love the overall size. 👍👍
Nice little RV for solo or maybe a couple who only go on short trips. Likes: wind sensing awning, tankless hot water heater, power covered skylight, tv above door, storage drawer under dinette seating, seating and storage under the bed. Dislike; small awning, exterior colors, lack of storage & twisty locks, no ladder on back, raised toilet, shower curtain. This was actually the size RV I thought we would get when we started to look at RV's, but eventually we want to spend a month in our RV in Florida during the winter, so the B+'s were out. Way better choice than a Class V (van).
Love the smaller RV
I will not even consider buying a motorhome without knowing the ccc first. I suspect with a full slide on this chassis that the ccc is compromised. Great review as usual, but I need to know the ccc, thanks.
This is and has been one of my top 3, (vs 2 Sprinter brands and don't have 3 years to wait LTV) but I go hot and cold trying to decide. Also, you got distracted trying to adjust the seat and didn't open the door for the OCCC. The toilet may have worked with a swap out for porcelain and OCCC usually is better than Sprinters and would support the weight gain of this and other DIY alterations discussed below. OH, and you are right, MHSRV does have a killer price on their web site that you couldn't say.
Likes: Ford engine and AWD, floorplan - preferred over the TE (either bed or seating but not both at same time) model, MPG (people are reporting 13-14, not the 10 the first tank calculator lied to you about and given the roughly 10% price difference for diesel, it is roughly equal to the 15-16 reported in Sprinters. As you can see, I have researched these.
Dislikes: 158" wheelbase, please use Fords 176" wheelbase, but LTV is the only one that does with every manufacturer stuck on the 158" (Thor-a marketing opportunity!), The small fridge (the TE floorplan actually has a decent fridge). Ditch the bench and put in a regular sofa/murphy bed. Question for Thor - in the Delano/Tiburon they offer both the identical bench arrangement floorplan and a murphy bed/sofa floorplan. Which is in higher demand as people have a choice on which floorplan to order. I thought so...FB floorplan all the way!
While I can't do anything about the wheelbase or choice of fridge, now a special category I call 3 "Immediate DIY" which among the ones considering this would require the most post-purchase work. In fairness, with this being significantly less expensive than the others considered, DIY is more than offset. 1) BATH - Immediate rip out curtain and install a Nautilus or similar (already shopping Home Depot) shower door and change toilet to porcelain. A note on the step up, might be good and depends on measurement from floor to seat. Following wife's knee surgery, put chair height 18" toilets in home. 2) BENCH/bed - below bench construction probably wouldn't support a direct swap of sofa/murphy bed, but 2 changes. Those protruding fixed metal feet are a safety hazard to bang against (reported in forums and Andrea struggled with them in video) to be replace by 2x2 hinged legs that lay flat when bed raised and go to JoAnn Fabrics for for fabric and foam to make bolsters to at least resemble a sofa. and 4) Again, due to wife's knee replacement install some aftermarket running boards so she could step directly into the cab vs going through the house. Don 't know why Thor omitted that. Rented a base $19.99 UHaul and wife couldn't climb in it as it didn't have running boards.
I am an "American-Sized" man. 53 yr 250lbs 5'11 and i NEED a toilet that is usable. This new all-wheel drive is very good; however, thanks to matts rv ... he correctly pointed out the flaw "non-pooping--position" and that's what made me move on to the next RV. TAKE NOTE!
LOL cat corner! I am dog person.
I agree on shower cutain.....
This is a better class B than most. I didn’t like the fridge (too small), poor storage under the dinette and there should have been an over the cab sleep area. Instead of a dinette I would have preferred a couch or theater seating with table. More relaxing for watching the tv. Layout is good. I don’t mind the bathroom. I like the toilet on a higher base. For those of us who have disabilities, a higher toilet is a lot nicer.
This is the RV I want to get very soon. I'll be contacting you soon Matt :)
I think it’s very cute but would be better if it had a round booth
Hey, love your videos.. very informative.
Matt, you are very knowledgeable about the rv's you make in your videos.. i really like that. Would you be able to do a video on the roadtrek pivot slumber with the pop up. Im interested in that one, but would love to see what you think..
Call review and this is a wonderful unit I looked at a 2021 and was overwhelmed and impressed with the amount of room for the size of motorhome that represents in combination with an all wheel drive powertrain makes this unit a perfect portable office and a short trip motorhome. But indeed it could go cross country comfortably. Would love to know where these are available. Yours truly David.
I wish we just had a portable plug in cook top and full counter. Because we have to have a coffee pot and maybe toaster oven
Agree. The refrigerator is too small and the rear camera should cover the mirror. I hope there’s a blind spot monitor. Wasn’t clear to me whether you could enter the bathroom when the slide is closed. That’s an important feature.
You can access the bathroom with the slide in.
@@badgpaw55 good to know. Thanks
like this one!
We agree!🎉
great one, like the all wheel drive, not quite 4x4, but close enough for off grid desert use,.... no bunk over cab and window there, would like to see more of that, even in the bigger class c... i would leave that window open most of the time, even when driving.... agree on fridge, should be bigger, but 3 way is great... be nice if all of them were, stove top just waiting to get broke agree there too... at first i was going to say replace dinette with theatre seats, but since you have a couch under bed also if want, plus another tv back there too. leave it the way it is.... the bathroom.. just glad they stuffed a full one in there, door instead of curtain, fold up bed i normally dont like, but in this, gladly take it, only way to make the rest work.... you could be watching movie or game if in to sports, while someone else, wife or kid sitting on couch in back playing xbox or whatever. for as small as it is, you could have 8 or 9 people in there everyone have a place to sit and a tv to see game or whatever... did not notice outside propane connection, need that for sure these days since many places do not allow any kind of real fire (wood / charcoal) at campsites, at all many times of the year, regulated or boondocking both, most of the year where i live.
My number 3 disliked is the Micro, if you going to put them under the county then use a drawer micro. I have the same on. My Vegas, this almost same floor plan up front. A Lithum battery pack would be nice.
$130,000 seems like a lot of money for an uncomfortable dinette only floor plan with a fold up bed, a raised plastic toilet, no exterior storage and a continued lack of quality control by Thor that comments in this video verify☹️
Love you two. I just don't understand with all the complaints, why Thor can't take up the slack on their quality control.
Ahhh, can't believe you slandered Whataburger! Pretty slick RV though!
I dislike that seat under the bed. Why not a Murphy bed with a sofa? I guess there's more storage under it but it looks weird. Also, the toilet is plastic and there is carpet. I love the skylight, the swivel seats with hanging boosters, the bed size and the slide. I might buy this if it didn't have a dinette.
Can't believe what a game changer is the giant slide out! Looks made for tall people; we can even reach those bottom drawers, and see what's inside. Something this bright & spacious is sure to be copied.
Matt, shut the wipers…
I love it……..just needs to be a closed space for the back……someone break the driver or passenger window they have access to you and your home……I’m big on safety and security.
I love the spacious feel of this class b! Wow!!! And what a great price! 👍 I don't know what Andrea is talking about with a pantry space, can't you just cram all the food in those two gigantic drawers under the dinette? 😂 Awesome review!🙌
Love yha... Review the Compass 2022 . TE
I have a Chinook Concourse MH, that I love. The only thing I hate is the constant need to determine where my next fuel stop is going to be. It's too bad that this Thor (I like most of the design, excluding the exposed water fills on the outside "I'm paranoid that someone will contaminate the water supply) only has a 25 gallon fuel compartment. One thing I hate about my Trition V-10 is the need to stop every 300 miles to refuel, and my motorhome has a 36 Gallon fuel tank.
Last summer, I drove the family down to the Florida Keys, and my wife (and youngest son) followed with our SCUBA gear, and toys in the Truck. My wife's F150 4x4 with the Ecoboost 3.5Liter, has a 36 (or 37) Gallon fuel tank, and from North Texas, we can make it all the way to Florida without needing to put Gas in the truck (I already had to top-off 4 times in the MH).
I had a lot of hope that this B+ had better fuel capacity. 10.5/Gallon and so at Max it is only good for 262 miles (and that would be pushing it).
Did I miss the CCC?
Wish it had bunk over cab for the little kids.
Very nice motor home I like it.
I've been watching your videos for a while now and they have really influenced me on what type of RV I'm interested in. Can you (if you haven't already) review a few truck campers? They seem to be really comparable with a Class B. Also, you and Andrea need wireless mics (Christmas Idea!!) Keep up the great work!
I like this one! I even showed my husband. Over 2 yrs I've watched these two...and Ive never shared a video with him. They REALLY need to just produce more class B's...lol 😆. Thanks you two. Love the coat Andrea.
You realize Matt calling it a class B is just a marketing tactic ;) these are small Class Cs
I watch the review, but I like to get the expected sale price for the unit. We need to know that. The MSRP price is a number no body goes by it.
So much more enthusiasm than the first few I tried watching on this RV. Can someone tell me the difference between a Gemeni and Compass?
I’m Going To Get One
Love these but miss that they don't put the outdoor tvs on anymore or on the Vegas. Needs a bigger fridge.
What was the CCC? You never went back to it.
Yes a pantry
ditch the dinette and put easy chairs, other than that like it.
You're the best Matt , love you're videos! cool camper well thought out, except I agree with Andera about shower curtains . In small showers, no matter how careful you are your elbow is bound to hit that curtain and knock the bottom of it out of the shower, next thing you know you're stepping out in to cold puddles, not good for the floor , or the dog you blame for cold puddles....
OCC of around 900 lbs from the Thor website? a fail..and no rear ladder and no upper bunk...this is a class c not a class B+ campervan.there is no such thing as a class B+ .Matt wish you would stop with the confusing classifications they are not that hard to figure out
I really like that RV! I'm looking for a RV
This is a Beautiful Small RV. However, use Bunk Beds, to Avoid the Folding Up of the Bed ❗
Looks like they have room to put in a bunk over the cab...and they should.
There should be an overhead bunk bed
I prefer long-bowl thrones when it's time for me to "take care of business". This marine toilet here looks to be even less comfortable than a regular round bowl toilet. It's real cramped in that bath. It otherwise seems to be a nice rig, though Scotty Kilmer advises against turbo engines. As for Whataburger, it depends on which one you go to and when. There's one by Northeast Mall in Hurst, Texas that's usually reliable in quality.
Hey could u guys do a video on the Leisure Travel Van Wonder?
Always liked these b+ or small class C's. Just seems little cramped on inside with slides in
Liked the wireless charger on the dinette table. Also the spacious area when slider is out. Lastly loved the exterior design of this class B+
Disliked that small fridge with a tiny freezer, the floor color and no backsplash behind stove.
Likes:
The right side of the rear view mirror can be used to see someone in the dinette, lighted cabinets, and the armless awning with wind sensor.
Dislikes:
Twist locks, exposed water connections, TPO roof, no rear fiberglass cap, generator on the camp side, step down into the cab, and the bed can’t be used with the slide in.
I need cold weather rv, and maximum off grid capabilities.heating in cold weather here in buffalo
could you have a small couch with a (removable) table? or, theater seats and a (removable) table? instead of a dinette?
Priced at least $ 20 k more than precovid., was a bargain when you could find it discounted for around $80 k , no longer worth it , no longer interested
The AWD Transit didn't exist pre covid
does this come with blind side mirrors since it doesn't have camera's
Im looking to get into RVs and outdoors, but I do have a budget of around $60 - $70k Max. I really like this size B+ vans, live in LA so my driveway is not very spacious. What’s a good unit for my budget? Don’t mind a used unit as long as the miles are low. Any recommendations?